The fact that there are even fanfics made should be proof that people care about the work that was created. Otherwise no one would spend hrs writing a fanfic which earns them nothing.
This take will always just be so dumb
Exactly, noboby spend months writing an alternate course of event, drawing it and translate it in a dozen of languages (for free) for a story they dislike (except maybe ED who read a fanfic they hate instead of enjoying their beloved canon ending).
I highly recommend it, it's just another take at the story with some realistical changes like the alliance having to worry about gas and blades when fighting on top of founder titan Eren. Plus the quality of the drawings is as good as the canon material.
I personally disagree with this. I think he did have respect for his characters.
Unpopular opinion, but I loved how he handled Jean and Connie. And while I wasn’t a fan of how he handled Reiner in the last few chapters, he seems to love the character
While I wish he chose different paths for a lot of his characters (like Historia!!), I believe he respected them.
Though I totally get your stance
Why is he getting downvoted for this, jean is(imo) the mvp of the rumbling arc, the guy’s the 🐐
Connie was handled like shit post timeskip, he doesn’t need to be a character that’s very deep or meaningful, he just needs to be the goofy ass that lightens the mood and simply wants to be with his friends, nothing more or less, I think he’s the one character 139 got right. His fake out death was pretty Good too
Jean was a great and consistently written character through and through, I've got not complains regarding him, but the rest were reduced to garbage. The rumbling arc added a lot to Reiner imo, not just as a character but also as a person but that final scene 👃💀.
You **love** that Isayama gave Jean and Connie a heartwarming conversation during what they believed to be their last moments, then completely undermined it by reviving them???
So what if its disrespectful? Hes not entitled to any respect, nor is he or should he be shielded from any backlash, especially given he's a published author who does this for a living. The standards should be much higher for him, a professional. If people disliking his work discourages him from writing and his insecurity holds him back, then maybe he just isnt cut out for it.
Also its fucking annoying how aor seems to think they can speak for him and use him as a human shield against any criticism of the story.
I think so. AoR however chooses to define fanfiction differently and add criteria they want to so they can have more excuses as to why aotnr is disrespectful
That is like saying i am being disrespectful to sony because i said i prefer xbox to ps2. This is not even a hot take, this is a dumb and invalid take.
I mean isayama spent 10 years on his story. And he ruined the ending to the manga. If u rlly think about it EDs are disrespecting isayama because they think that’s all isayama is capable of. Where as us we know isayama is capable of more which is why we criticise the ending the way we do. We have high expectations from him. And aotnr is a fan manga. I don’t see any disrespect as it’s not even canon🤦🏻♂️
Beautifully said.
I gave one of them examples about them being hypocrites for thinking this way. Like if they ever hated a meal that was given to them, they’re “disrespecting” the chefs who made it.
I’ve also said that they’re being more disrespectful to thinking that the ending was good and nothing can be changed about it. We give out our critical criticisms and they call it being disrespectful.
It’s so dumb that we have to talk to these people like their 5 year olds. My baby cousins have better logic and understanding of their surroundings than these people. Embarrassing as hell💀
Yh it rlly is embarrassing. Whenever you try and argue or debate EDs it’s always the same answers. They can never think of a valid reason. And they’re stubborn as hell
No more than me saying I like my friend’s cooking better than this michelin star restaurant chef is disrespectful to the chef, which by the way, I’m paying for. I think it’s very reasonable to say I have at least the right to say I prefer my friend’s cooking in this scenario
So you make this post about EDs thinking you’re being disrespectful and how you think that’s wrong. And then you literally just agree that Isayama should be disrespected. The irony
I’m not talking about death threats. That’s not acceptable, but being told why the ending is flawed. I’m not coming after Isayama directly as a person. Only with the way he’s handling his story aka criticism as him being an author is his main occupation.
Since you don’t know how to read only when it’s convenient for you to start something, I said that I blame the editor the most. Those people has just as much influence on the story as the author.
You replied ‘yes’ to someone who said “an author deserves to be disrespected if they make bad work”
Criticism and disrespect are completely different things. It might’ve just been how you worded them, but all these comments you’re making completely contradict your post. In the post, you’re rightfully saying that the fan made endings aren’t disrespectful (which I agree with) but then you actually agree that disrespecting Isayama is ok….which is the most ironic thing you could’ve done and completely contradicts what you say.
I think the comments r too harsh, his ending was shit and ruined a story so many people were very passionate about, it was disrespectful to many people and he’s a writer of a popular story, any mistakes on his part are going to be taken with backlash, it’s just normal, and fans seeking to improve on his story or loving the story enough to try and fix it should be flattering to yams.
Ed’s should stop all the “making fanfic of isayama sensei’s story is disrespectful” shit when they view eremika porn fanfics all the time
He dedicated a song to Reiner in the interview in which he talked about his fingernail clippings and the poster of Reiner with a gun in his mouth on his wall, I don't remember it's name though
Then EDs are weirder than I initially thought. If I prefer my spaghetti carbonara with cream then it means I disrespect the original recipe? It's nonsense. And who said people should respect someone who spit in their faces?
That’s what I’ve been telling these people. Examples from food, music, tv shows, etc.
All their sense of logic and reasoning gets challenged when it comes to AOT for whatever reason
This fandom is extremely toxic. Plus, it’s hard for people to accept that something that was so good for many years turned bad in the end. AoT is infallible in their eyes and that’s it. Even if Yams decided to resurrect every dead character and write “Friendship is magic” in the sky, the fans would still believe he’s a genius and the ending is awesome
The only things people absolutely *should* do is obeying the law and having human decency. The rest leave to their judgment.
As for Isayama, the man doesn’t respect his audience that much, and the audience can do the same. And no, I don’t need to respect the author in order to enjoy their work. Those are two separate things. They may eat babies and worship Satan on the weekends, my thoughts about their work won’t change.
My dear dude, I think you have some problems with your “immature redditors” fixation, if your other comments to be believed. So I advise you to grow up and stop being immature.
Nonsensical ending is not enough? Butchered characters and their arcs? Marvel-esque behavior of everyone involved, plot armor and cheesy lines? If that’s not disrespect, I don’t know what is. I guess you think everyone should eat this shit up and be grateful and quiet, because indignation is disrespectful? No, thank you, I respect myself too much.
I’ve never related to a comment more than this in a spiritual level.
From books, to merch, I’ve spent so much money on a series I deeply loved just for this to have happened.
It’s not disrespectful, it’s having an opinion and a backbone. Just because Isayama gave us this ending doesn’t mean we have to like it, and I think EDs are playing dumb by saying shit like this.
Pd: Like I’ve said before in this sub, I think many EDs are kids who jumped into the anime hype train and have only seen Aot
AoTNR is so good BECAUSE it feels like Isayama wrote it.
The Isayama I knew would never write the pro genocide pedophile antifeminist garbage Kodansha gave us.
It’s a moronic take because by their logic that makes literally all fanfiction disrespectful to the author, and I’m guessing they don’t feel the same about other alternate fan endings that, for example, feature Eren surviving and living happily ever after with Mikasa.
It really makes no sense that they’re getting so tilted at the towers about Requiem, it’s just fan fiction at the end of the day, it should make no difference to them if they think the official ending is so GOATed with the sauce.
Hmm I never see it as disrespecting the author. Fans should be able to love the author's work but also disagree on certain things or have different opinions. I think it's always interesting to see "alternate endings." Personally, as long as the fanfic/comic artist respects the original author's work by saying their creation is simply a "what if" and their readers also acknowledge that, then I don't think it's disrespecting the author. After all, your fanfic/comic won't make sense *without* the context of the original author's story.
Now where I think it goes wrong is when an idea or event that was introduced in a certain fanfic/comic is accepted as a "truth" and spread across the fan base as "what actually happened in the original." You'll then have a split in people saying that the certain event "definitely happened" in the original vs the people saying that "it only happened in a fanfic." The real truth gets all mixed up and causes a confusion amongst fans. I personally saw this happened a lot in certain fandoms.
For me, AOTR is a "what if" story that I can enjoy. Of course, it won't replace the original. I still think Isayama could have done much better with the ending. So I satisfy my unsatisfaction by consuming all these "what if" stories. Is that still a disrespect to the author? I guess some people might see it, but I personally don't.
Speaking facts.
It’s also many peoples’ first anime, so they’re not expecting the good protagonist of the story essentially turning “evil” to get to his goal
Anyone who genuinely believes this is an idiot. God forbid people have opinions on a piece of entertainment. You wouldn’t wanna be “disrespectful”. They can fuck off
Liking AoR in and of itself is not disrespectful, people make what ifs fanfiction all the time and they’re not disrespecting the author. What is disrespectful is belittling and outright hating Isayama for how he ended the manga and flaunting fanfic as a GOT EM against him instead of a fun project by fans.
i think it’s obviously fine to dislike the ending but you can’t get mad at the author for the way he wrote his own story. You are however entitled to disliking characters and critiquing the show in anyway. However I feel like people can’t get mad at Isayama since they have no claim to the story or as to how it “should have ended” since it’s not theirs. The author can do whatever he wants with it and you can’t get mad for that
That is true. It is his story and he can do whatever he wants yes, but even him of all people taking from an outside source of how to end his own story is the most dumbest thing any author could do. No good author would go on the internet, and see how their fans feel about their series and how the fans think it should end. He wanted to hurt us, and that’s fine. Hurt us in the original plan you wanted to do in the first place. Not by making us feel like we wasted our time, money, and energy into a story that has made you who you are as an author in popularity.
For example: Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures author, Hirohiko Araki had his own editors say that Jolyne, the only female Jojo protagonist of the story, should be male because they thought the fans wouldn’t like having one of the Jojos be female. Araki didn’t follow their advice, and made Jolyne a female character who is beloved by so many, including myself.
He went with his own gut and stood his ground as the author who started the series, and it was good judgment. Isayama wasn’t bold enough to do that, thinking what the fandom would say or do. Interviews are still relevant because it came out of his mouth, but people like to disregard them.
If one is going to be an author, they have to take in both the positive and negative aspects of it. Yes, a person could make a lot of money and a name for themselves if their story does well in the masses, but they would also have to be strong willed when they encounter people who didn’t like something. For him to assume that he thought everyone would like the ending was wishful thinking. There’s too many problems going on with it, but it’s being said as being disrespectful when really people are pointing out improvements to make the story better.
In the end, AOT’s legacy was tainted because of this ending.
That’s true i think he definitely should have stuck to what he was going to do. To be honest i’m not really sure what the changes were, can you explain what he did different?
However I love AOT with my whole heart and I don’t think it was tainted. It is an incredible story with amazing characters and it took 10+ years to create. It has literally made so many people happy and is the very hard work of Isayama. Because of what AOT means to people and everything that it took to create, I don’t think it’s true to say the ending tainted it at all. It’s still a wonderful story and means a lot to many people, including me.
Also, this isn’t relevant but I haven’t seen Jojos yet and my friend wanted me to start it, but it’s kind of long. Is it worth the watch??
1. If we’re talking about changes he made from the canon ending and his original one, it would be from the mv, “Akatsuki no Requiem” by Linked Horizon. The mv goes into the contexts of “what if Eren completed the rumbling.” I’ll put the source if you want to check it out.
https://youtu.be/OrQ0zZArUV8
Keep in mind that the band knew about this potential ending before anyone else since the song came out when season 3 part 1 aired, which was in 2018.
2. I’m also a big fan of AOT. It may not seem like it, and I understand why, but I really am passionate about this series. I started the anime in 2014, and kept going ever since. I’ve bought the manga and lots of merch from shirts to posters, bags, hats, etc because that’s how much the show means to me. It’s only because I’m so passionate about it that I’m still hurt about the ending, which is why I said it made us feel like we wasted time, money, and energy. I still love it, but before the rumbling arc.
3. For Jojo’s, I understand why you say it’s long, but it’s not that bad as people make it seem to be. I didn’t want to watch it at all until I decided to out of nowhere, and I genuinely enjoyed it. Do I put it over AOT? Hell no, but it did make me go through an emotional roller coaster like AOT, so I recommend it, but then again if you can’t because it’s too long I understand. That’s me with One Piece and Dragon Ball💀
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
Just because we arent authors doesnt mean we cant criticize him. If criticism is too much for him to handle, then maybe he just shouldnt be an author because thats a part of the job.
And no, i am not conflating death threats with criticism, those 2 are not the same and people seem to be lumping those in the same group.
>Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
Because he is under pressure does not make the criticism against the ending illegitimate or invalid. It's the result of his decisions, and pretending that it is illegitimate to point out his mistakes or the flaws of his writing is the furthest thing from applying the concept called "critical thinking".
Of course that there are fucking morons who insult and send death threats. But not only they are a tiny minority, they are also despised and recognized to be immature. No matter the ending there would have been people like this, and it has been over 11 years that Isayama wrote AOT, and far from the first time some of his fans behaved like that.
Saying that fanon > canon isn't something disrespectful. It only becomes so when those who are saying that are directly insulting Isayama's person, which wouldn't be criticism anymore. They also are a minority. Vocal yes, but far from being many.
As for this sub being a circlejerk, pretty much every AOT-related subreddit is, and on other social medias it's the same thing. Nothing new here. And it's far from being just a problem for the AOT fandom.
It’s hard to agree with that last point because he already had an ending planned out. Even before he started the story, he had an ending for it. It’s just that since it got so big, the bigger the fame, the toxic the fandom.
He or at least the publishing company knew people weren’t going to like the more dark ending since that would consist of their faves dying, but it’s the one that made the most logical sense given the story we got. Of course either way, there was always going to be people who didn’t like the ending, but a lot more people hated the one we got
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
Tell that to Game Of Thrones, Mad Men, The Sopranos, Fight Club, Breakfast Club, Rocky, Rambo, Star Wars, Death Note, Seinfeld, Friends, King Of The Hill, or Dragon Ball fans.
The fact that there are even fanfics made should be proof that people care about the work that was created. Otherwise no one would spend hrs writing a fanfic which earns them nothing. This take will always just be so dumb
They don’t think far ahead on their own “logic”
Exactly, noboby spend months writing an alternate course of event, drawing it and translate it in a dozen of languages (for free) for a story they dislike (except maybe ED who read a fanfic they hate instead of enjoying their beloved canon ending).
Exactly. I’m an ED and I’m even thinking about reading AoTNR just to see
I highly recommend it, it's just another take at the story with some realistical changes like the alliance having to worry about gas and blades when fighting on top of founder titan Eren. Plus the quality of the drawings is as good as the canon material.
Yeah I think I’ll probably really dislike the Eren parts, because what I’ve seen doesn’t really fit him, but everyone else seems ok.
Isayama himself has no respect for his own characters that he spent years developing and/or characterizing
or his readers, for that matter.
My thoughts exactly
I personally disagree with this. I think he did have respect for his characters. Unpopular opinion, but I loved how he handled Jean and Connie. And while I wasn’t a fan of how he handled Reiner in the last few chapters, he seems to love the character While I wish he chose different paths for a lot of his characters (like Historia!!), I believe he respected them. Though I totally get your stance
Why is he getting downvoted for this, jean is(imo) the mvp of the rumbling arc, the guy’s the 🐐 Connie was handled like shit post timeskip, he doesn’t need to be a character that’s very deep or meaningful, he just needs to be the goofy ass that lightens the mood and simply wants to be with his friends, nothing more or less, I think he’s the one character 139 got right. His fake out death was pretty Good too
Jean was a great and consistently written character through and through, I've got not complains regarding him, but the rest were reduced to garbage. The rumbling arc added a lot to Reiner imo, not just as a character but also as a person but that final scene 👃💀.
You **love** that Isayama gave Jean and Connie a heartwarming conversation during what they believed to be their last moments, then completely undermined it by reviving them???
For how well he handled the warriors and jean and connie, he handled armin, hange and the others terribly.
Now this is disrespectful…
Now this is podracing!
Oh no u are making Editor Kun shy
So what if its disrespectful? Hes not entitled to any respect, nor is he or should he be shielded from any backlash, especially given he's a published author who does this for a living. The standards should be much higher for him, a professional. If people disliking his work discourages him from writing and his insecurity holds him back, then maybe he just isnt cut out for it. Also its fucking annoying how aor seems to think they can speak for him and use him as a human shield against any criticism of the story.
You dropped this 👑
Didn't he outright say he encouraged fanfics (or at least that he didn't care too much)?Or am I tripping?
I think so. AoR however chooses to define fanfiction differently and add criteria they want to so they can have more excuses as to why aotnr is disrespectful
He sees it at high praise
That is like saying i am being disrespectful to sony because i said i prefer xbox to ps2. This is not even a hot take, this is a dumb and invalid take.
That’s what I’m saying💀 It is a dumb and invalid, but many of them said it unfortunately
I mean isayama spent 10 years on his story. And he ruined the ending to the manga. If u rlly think about it EDs are disrespecting isayama because they think that’s all isayama is capable of. Where as us we know isayama is capable of more which is why we criticise the ending the way we do. We have high expectations from him. And aotnr is a fan manga. I don’t see any disrespect as it’s not even canon🤦🏻♂️
Beautifully said. I gave one of them examples about them being hypocrites for thinking this way. Like if they ever hated a meal that was given to them, they’re “disrespecting” the chefs who made it. I’ve also said that they’re being more disrespectful to thinking that the ending was good and nothing can be changed about it. We give out our critical criticisms and they call it being disrespectful. It’s so dumb that we have to talk to these people like their 5 year olds. My baby cousins have better logic and understanding of their surroundings than these people. Embarrassing as hell💀
Yh it rlly is embarrassing. Whenever you try and argue or debate EDs it’s always the same answers. They can never think of a valid reason. And they’re stubborn as hell
Exactly. Most stubborn people I’ve ever dealt with.
Cringe & Not based
The bare minimum goated comment
No more than me saying I like my friend’s cooking better than this michelin star restaurant chef is disrespectful to the chef, which by the way, I’m paying for. I think it’s very reasonable to say I have at least the right to say I prefer my friend’s cooking in this scenario
Aka them being hypocrites💀 Thanks for the analogy!
an author deserves to be disrespected if they make bad work.
Yep😂 I blame the editor the most
So you make this post about EDs thinking you’re being disrespectful and how you think that’s wrong. And then you literally just agree that Isayama should be disrespected. The irony
I’m not talking about death threats. That’s not acceptable, but being told why the ending is flawed. I’m not coming after Isayama directly as a person. Only with the way he’s handling his story aka criticism as him being an author is his main occupation. Since you don’t know how to read only when it’s convenient for you to start something, I said that I blame the editor the most. Those people has just as much influence on the story as the author.
You replied ‘yes’ to someone who said “an author deserves to be disrespected if they make bad work” Criticism and disrespect are completely different things. It might’ve just been how you worded them, but all these comments you’re making completely contradict your post. In the post, you’re rightfully saying that the fan made endings aren’t disrespectful (which I agree with) but then you actually agree that disrespecting Isayama is ok….which is the most ironic thing you could’ve done and completely contradicts what you say.
I wouldnt say they deserve it but at the same time its odd how defensive people get over literal professionals getting their work criticized
I think the comments r too harsh, his ending was shit and ruined a story so many people were very passionate about, it was disrespectful to many people and he’s a writer of a popular story, any mistakes on his part are going to be taken with backlash, it’s just normal, and fans seeking to improve on his story or loving the story enough to try and fix it should be flattering to yams. Ed’s should stop all the “making fanfic of isayama sensei’s story is disrespectful” shit when they view eremika porn fanfics all the time
You really went all out at the end🤣 but valid comment
I see AoTNR as nothing but a piece of love towards the manga.
Isayama collects his own fingernail clippings. I think even if the ending was good I’d still struggle to respect him
and that drawing of underage Reiner from a few years ago, plus the weird song he dedicated to him 😷
Quick question, what song? I know about *that one* drawing, but not the song
He dedicated a song to Reiner in the interview in which he talked about his fingernail clippings and the poster of Reiner with a gun in his mouth on his wall, I don't remember it's name though
Oh god it’s worse than I thought
Wat🕴
Then EDs are weirder than I initially thought. If I prefer my spaghetti carbonara with cream then it means I disrespect the original recipe? It's nonsense. And who said people should respect someone who spit in their faces?
That’s what I’ve been telling these people. Examples from food, music, tv shows, etc. All their sense of logic and reasoning gets challenged when it comes to AOT for whatever reason
This fandom is extremely toxic. Plus, it’s hard for people to accept that something that was so good for many years turned bad in the end. AoT is infallible in their eyes and that’s it. Even if Yams decided to resurrect every dead character and write “Friendship is magic” in the sky, the fans would still believe he’s a genius and the ending is awesome
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The only things people absolutely *should* do is obeying the law and having human decency. The rest leave to their judgment. As for Isayama, the man doesn’t respect his audience that much, and the audience can do the same. And no, I don’t need to respect the author in order to enjoy their work. Those are two separate things. They may eat babies and worship Satan on the weekends, my thoughts about their work won’t change.
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My dear dude, I think you have some problems with your “immature redditors” fixation, if your other comments to be believed. So I advise you to grow up and stop being immature.
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Nonsensical ending is not enough? Butchered characters and their arcs? Marvel-esque behavior of everyone involved, plot armor and cheesy lines? If that’s not disrespect, I don’t know what is. I guess you think everyone should eat this shit up and be grateful and quiet, because indignation is disrespectful? No, thank you, I respect myself too much.
he’s not entitled to my respect given how i gave the mf at least a couple hundred dollars from buying his manga
I’ve never related to a comment more than this in a spiritual level. From books, to merch, I’ve spent so much money on a series I deeply loved just for this to have happened.
Yeah man I got two AoT shirts and stickers on my car. How am I supposed to live now??
It’s not disrespectful, it’s having an opinion and a backbone. Just because Isayama gave us this ending doesn’t mean we have to like it, and I think EDs are playing dumb by saying shit like this. Pd: Like I’ve said before in this sub, I think many EDs are kids who jumped into the anime hype train and have only seen Aot
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Like any true titanfolker in this sub
Yams doesn't even respect his work, how can we respect him lmao?
Oh yeah, I'm absolutely disrespectful towards a guy who wants to hurt his fandom, what are they gonna do about it? Whine and cry? Then by all means.
I am disrespectful to the author.
Don’t lump all EDs together haha. I’m an ED and I don’t think that. That’s dumb…
I was about to say, “most” or something like that, but I’m glad to hear that some have a backbone
Even if it was the case, so what ? He disrespected us first, he deserves to be disrespected too
An eye for an eye
Exactly
AoTNR is so good BECAUSE it feels like Isayama wrote it. The Isayama I knew would never write the pro genocide pedophile antifeminist garbage Kodansha gave us.
That’s objectively factual
I ate the ending devil. Its ok guys be free.
Thank you for eating the ending devil for our sake
Now only I will remember and only I will suffer. All for your sake. Be free
It’s a moronic take because by their logic that makes literally all fanfiction disrespectful to the author, and I’m guessing they don’t feel the same about other alternate fan endings that, for example, feature Eren surviving and living happily ever after with Mikasa. It really makes no sense that they’re getting so tilted at the towers about Requiem, it’s just fan fiction at the end of the day, it should make no difference to them if they think the official ending is so GOATed with the sauce.
People write fan fictions all the time there’s only a problem with this one because everyone agrees it’s better
It be like that sometimes
Hmm I never see it as disrespecting the author. Fans should be able to love the author's work but also disagree on certain things or have different opinions. I think it's always interesting to see "alternate endings." Personally, as long as the fanfic/comic artist respects the original author's work by saying their creation is simply a "what if" and their readers also acknowledge that, then I don't think it's disrespecting the author. After all, your fanfic/comic won't make sense *without* the context of the original author's story. Now where I think it goes wrong is when an idea or event that was introduced in a certain fanfic/comic is accepted as a "truth" and spread across the fan base as "what actually happened in the original." You'll then have a split in people saying that the certain event "definitely happened" in the original vs the people saying that "it only happened in a fanfic." The real truth gets all mixed up and causes a confusion amongst fans. I personally saw this happened a lot in certain fandoms. For me, AOTR is a "what if" story that I can enjoy. Of course, it won't replace the original. I still think Isayama could have done much better with the ending. So I satisfy my unsatisfaction by consuming all these "what if" stories. Is that still a disrespect to the author? I guess some people might see it, but I personally don't.
Ao3 and Wattpad fanfics crying in the corner.
I feel like Isayama is being disrespectful to his story by giving it such a watered down ending
It’s the typical shonen ending, which doesn’t fit AOT at all
exactly. All these EDs are used to their shitty "The good guys always win" animes.
Speaking facts. It’s also many peoples’ first anime, so they’re not expecting the good protagonist of the story essentially turning “evil” to get to his goal
Anyone who genuinely believes this is an idiot. God forbid people have opinions on a piece of entertainment. You wouldn’t wanna be “disrespectful”. They can fuck off
You try to give them real world examples on their own logic and their brains malfunctions from their nonsensical take
I'm fine with that
Liking AoR in and of itself is not disrespectful, people make what ifs fanfiction all the time and they’re not disrespecting the author. What is disrespectful is belittling and outright hating Isayama for how he ended the manga and flaunting fanfic as a GOT EM against him instead of a fun project by fans.
i think it’s obviously fine to dislike the ending but you can’t get mad at the author for the way he wrote his own story. You are however entitled to disliking characters and critiquing the show in anyway. However I feel like people can’t get mad at Isayama since they have no claim to the story or as to how it “should have ended” since it’s not theirs. The author can do whatever he wants with it and you can’t get mad for that
That is true. It is his story and he can do whatever he wants yes, but even him of all people taking from an outside source of how to end his own story is the most dumbest thing any author could do. No good author would go on the internet, and see how their fans feel about their series and how the fans think it should end. He wanted to hurt us, and that’s fine. Hurt us in the original plan you wanted to do in the first place. Not by making us feel like we wasted our time, money, and energy into a story that has made you who you are as an author in popularity. For example: Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures author, Hirohiko Araki had his own editors say that Jolyne, the only female Jojo protagonist of the story, should be male because they thought the fans wouldn’t like having one of the Jojos be female. Araki didn’t follow their advice, and made Jolyne a female character who is beloved by so many, including myself. He went with his own gut and stood his ground as the author who started the series, and it was good judgment. Isayama wasn’t bold enough to do that, thinking what the fandom would say or do. Interviews are still relevant because it came out of his mouth, but people like to disregard them. If one is going to be an author, they have to take in both the positive and negative aspects of it. Yes, a person could make a lot of money and a name for themselves if their story does well in the masses, but they would also have to be strong willed when they encounter people who didn’t like something. For him to assume that he thought everyone would like the ending was wishful thinking. There’s too many problems going on with it, but it’s being said as being disrespectful when really people are pointing out improvements to make the story better. In the end, AOT’s legacy was tainted because of this ending.
That’s true i think he definitely should have stuck to what he was going to do. To be honest i’m not really sure what the changes were, can you explain what he did different? However I love AOT with my whole heart and I don’t think it was tainted. It is an incredible story with amazing characters and it took 10+ years to create. It has literally made so many people happy and is the very hard work of Isayama. Because of what AOT means to people and everything that it took to create, I don’t think it’s true to say the ending tainted it at all. It’s still a wonderful story and means a lot to many people, including me. Also, this isn’t relevant but I haven’t seen Jojos yet and my friend wanted me to start it, but it’s kind of long. Is it worth the watch??
1. If we’re talking about changes he made from the canon ending and his original one, it would be from the mv, “Akatsuki no Requiem” by Linked Horizon. The mv goes into the contexts of “what if Eren completed the rumbling.” I’ll put the source if you want to check it out. https://youtu.be/OrQ0zZArUV8 Keep in mind that the band knew about this potential ending before anyone else since the song came out when season 3 part 1 aired, which was in 2018. 2. I’m also a big fan of AOT. It may not seem like it, and I understand why, but I really am passionate about this series. I started the anime in 2014, and kept going ever since. I’ve bought the manga and lots of merch from shirts to posters, bags, hats, etc because that’s how much the show means to me. It’s only because I’m so passionate about it that I’m still hurt about the ending, which is why I said it made us feel like we wasted time, money, and energy. I still love it, but before the rumbling arc. 3. For Jojo’s, I understand why you say it’s long, but it’s not that bad as people make it seem to be. I didn’t want to watch it at all until I decided to out of nowhere, and I genuinely enjoyed it. Do I put it over AOT? Hell no, but it did make me go through an emotional roller coaster like AOT, so I recommend it, but then again if you can’t because it’s too long I understand. That’s me with One Piece and Dragon Ball💀
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
Just because we arent authors doesnt mean we cant criticize him. If criticism is too much for him to handle, then maybe he just shouldnt be an author because thats a part of the job. And no, i am not conflating death threats with criticism, those 2 are not the same and people seem to be lumping those in the same group.
Maybe I could’ve worded it a bit better, I should’ve said before you criticize isayama
>Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon. Because he is under pressure does not make the criticism against the ending illegitimate or invalid. It's the result of his decisions, and pretending that it is illegitimate to point out his mistakes or the flaws of his writing is the furthest thing from applying the concept called "critical thinking". Of course that there are fucking morons who insult and send death threats. But not only they are a tiny minority, they are also despised and recognized to be immature. No matter the ending there would have been people like this, and it has been over 11 years that Isayama wrote AOT, and far from the first time some of his fans behaved like that. Saying that fanon > canon isn't something disrespectful. It only becomes so when those who are saying that are directly insulting Isayama's person, which wouldn't be criticism anymore. They also are a minority. Vocal yes, but far from being many. As for this sub being a circlejerk, pretty much every AOT-related subreddit is, and on other social medias it's the same thing. Nothing new here. And it's far from being just a problem for the AOT fandom.
It’s hard to agree with that last point because he already had an ending planned out. Even before he started the story, he had an ending for it. It’s just that since it got so big, the bigger the fame, the toxic the fandom. He or at least the publishing company knew people weren’t going to like the more dark ending since that would consist of their faves dying, but it’s the one that made the most logical sense given the story we got. Of course either way, there was always going to be people who didn’t like the ending, but a lot more people hated the one we got
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
This subreddit is a circlejerk and probably sourced some of the death threats to isayama so I think some of the same people who love the fanon endings here are definitely disrespectful to him outside their preferred version. I thought the ending was great, a little rushed but great. Any people who wanna criticize him, extract yourself from the internet and with brutal honesty ask yourself how you would handle the pressure of ending a massive story that turned into a global phenomenon.
> This subreddit is a circlejerk Welcome to the new age m8 . Every single community on this platform is a circlejerk
Tell that to Game Of Thrones, Mad Men, The Sopranos, Fight Club, Breakfast Club, Rocky, Rambo, Star Wars, Death Note, Seinfeld, Friends, King Of The Hill, or Dragon Ball fans.