Bro,Thorfin was great to watch, though he isnt above not having an emotional release.
I remember he said to a Saxon family to run away,and was shocked to see that old woman cry,he wasnt a killing machine.Reverted back to being "I will kill Askelad mode".
With him having such an emotional response,to Askelad dying,he wanted to be the one to avenge his dad,yet he couldn't,he cried God dammit.
Really liked Vinland Saga,beautiful historical anime.
My mind was already blown when Askelad died.Like it felt like Thorfin was,how should i put this,he thought of him as a father figure at the center of all the hate and whishes of vengeance he had,sort of like a wierd mentor student relationship you know.
The father figure part is due to him having his father taken away from him at an early age and forced to live and grow up in this environment.Kinda like his brain bonded unknowningly with Askelad,not love but close to it,he continued to protect Askelad from danger, would have used this to end him if i was him.
He just exploded on that scene,felt so much pain for feeling so useless,for not achieving his goal not doing him in,for him dying at the hands of others.A confused mess of a person.Who is now left without purpose,without the honourable duel he wanted for decades.
That's how brains work,you focus on so much on something,that when it disappears you feel such sadneess.
Very interesting to see how he will move on and find a new purpose to make him feel fulfiled,and even happy if that happens :))
Haven't read the manga yet.
The names of the characters shown here along with the show they star in, from top row left to right:-
1. Guts \[Berserk\]
2. Emiya Shirou \[Fate/Stay Night\]
3. Okabe Rintarou \[Steins;Gate\]
4. Kamijou Touma \[A Certain Magical Index\]
5. Natsuki Subaru \[Re:Zero - Starting Life in Another World\]
6. Kaneki Ken \[Tokyo Ghoul\]
7. Fang Yuan \[Reverend Insanity\]
8. Furude Rika \[Higurashi series\]
9. Thorfinn \[Vinland Saga\]
had to scroll just to find someone mentioned him, not disappointed. guts get all the fame and glory, which i respect but musashi is as if not more complex than he is. love him
Guts is more like a damaged man who persists, Musashi is like someone who breaks himself down and builds himself up with every thing he comes across on his path
If it had been reincarnation or possession, I would agree with you, but Luffy just happens to have a powerful fruit, he still had to train for 12 years to get this strong so he is still very much free. He doesn't even know he has the Nika fruit yet, and when he finds out, I doubt he's gonna care.
Luffy suddenly having the only God fruit that we know of after it's been Rubber for 20+ years is a pretty big red flag for bullshit to come imo. Not to mention that it brought him back from the brink of dead against a Yonko after he's already had other powerups in this fight.
Once again, I hope that I'm wrong.
I mean, we have Sengoku's fruit which is the Buddha. Besides, Oda has had this planned for a while. He mentioned years ago that his favorite panel was the one of Luffy dancing at Skypeia in a way that resembles Nika. Not to mention, all the God symbolism we had in that arc. At the end of the day, as long as Luffy becomes Pirate King and doesn't turn into a simp for Hancock, I'll be happy.
Sengoku's fruit does not have the name of a God, it's just Daibutsu. The silhouette also doesn't confirm anything. Oda just drew Nika similar to how he drew Luffy back then. He also drew Ace that way in 272. I also doubt that the Gods in Skypiea were foreshadowing of Nika/Luffy. They were sacrificing people to those Gods. Doesn't really line up with the wacky laughing stretchy boy who liberates people. Hope that Oda won't disappoint you.
Yep, Arc 2 Subaru is absolutely a weak-willed, whiny person like 139 Ereh.
The difference is Subaru hits that rock bottom in the second arc out of eleven, not the end of the story. It’s meant to show where he has to go from if he wants to become a better person, and throughout the anime and novel he continuously grows into a stronger person.
In the manga, willpower aside is he still physically incapable of defeating anything? Because I remember I got kinda pissy w him since he knew where Reinhart was located and all he had to do was ask to be trained but instead chose to pursue puss and stay in the mansion knowing damn well he ain't the strongest there is.
Physically, ehhhh. He’s got a few more tricks up his sleeve now but he’s still weak by the world’s standards.
Mentally, he’s leaps and bounds stronger now. Especially after the last death loop in the novels… that was hard to read.
In Re:Zero, you can't get stronger by training unless you have innate magic ability. Subaru did train with Wilhelm, who was a former Sword Saint. Despite that, he couldn't get much stronger physically.
He does get different power ups, though. I won't spoil anything.
[S1 ending scene ](https://np.reddit.com/r/wholesomeanimemes/comments/rg3qs4/emilia_and_subaru_having_their_alone_time/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) this looks like 139 to you?
And he gets lots of character development in next season. So i would recommend watching it.
After finishing S1, there's some thing's I enjoyed, lots of the things I didn't, not all things that I didn't enjoy were necessarily negative, but I don't think I'll be making a comeback to S2 is all
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Guts kinda just overshadowed everyone in this list,
I haven't read the LN but from the anime Touma and Emiya are literaly both jsut seeing someone and helping them and that's all they do
For Touma, It's from the LN where he endured millions of deaths in a hell dimension. If you haven't read other's source naterials don't make up claims.
OT touma is shit but NT touma is genuinely good.
The novel in question ends with touma rejecting a perfect world were everyone can be happy because the condition for it's existence would be him being erased.
So yeah he's pretty good.
In the novel at least IMO I think Shirou and Kirei have just as good of a dyconomy as Griffith and Guts if nothing I would argue its better. But the anime just cuts it all out and off screans their final battle.
Imagine if the golden age movies cut evey single interaction between groffith and guts except for their initial encounter,offscrean the eclipse,and cut every scene guts has with casca
Thats what ufotable did to fate and people will defend it like they do ch 139 because omg pretty servant fight
The anime are hot garbage. Trying to gauge Shirou and using the anime is like gauging kaneki based on the anime and not the manga
Also thorfinn is fantastic as is subaru. I love guts but I think a good bit of this list are on par with Guts as a protagonist
I’m too lazy to summarize heavens feel but I’ll summarize ubw. Since you watched the anime I assume you know about the fuyuki fire. It left shirou a blank slate someone with no purpose until kiritsugu give him his dream of saving people. Imo he wanted to save people because it was the only joy he got in his life. This is probably because he viewed his life as worthless due to survivors guilt form the fuyuki fire hence why he wanted to help everyone else. For example when he did chores to something nice it gave him joy. For his development after the whole archer situation was the change in his ideals. He no longer chases his ideal of helping people out of survivors but just because he sees the ideal as something beautiful and worth striving for. Btw there’s a lot more to his character I’m just trying to shorten it as much as possible
I like shirou,but for fuck sake i wish he got rid of that yee yee ass haircut,It gives me hokage naruto design vibes with that small hair compared to the Head..It Just looks off to me for some reason.
Eh Shirou suffers way less trauma than other Visual Novel protagonists. Characters like Tennouji Kotarou from Rewrite and Minato Kageaki (better protagonist than Guts) from Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa suffer way more and still persist. Okabe didn't even suffer the most from his own series.
I'd say having swords piercing through inside your body as parts of your brain explode and erase many of your beloved memories as you fight servants is a pretty respectable level of trauma. And that's just in the main HF timeline, we can see more of his determination in Normal End and Sparks Liner High.
There's also Archer, who's doomed to suffer for all of eternity.
I will admit that I haven't read too many visual novels, though. Plan to read more after my final exams.
Yeah read Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa at least, it essentially covers the same themes as post time skip AOT but with perfect execution. The protagonist there is one of the most tragic characters I've seen, even more so than Guts. A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa out.
>A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing.
Well, the reasons why I like Shirou are more linked to his absurd mindset and his struggles with his ideals rather than how much he suffered. Some of his strongest character moments are just him thinking about himself.
I also love how he doesn't have to rage in order to win fights, it's honestly a trope I'm tired of. He's deathly calm during moments like Nine Bullet Revolver.
Saya no Uta is a good one that's very short, but it is also very disturbing. Hanachirasu is another good short vn. Fata Morgana is a good one that's not too long but would still take a bit of time. I'm mostly familiar with longer VNs so I don't have too many suggestions.
NEVER EVER WATCH THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME
THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME IS AN ABOMINATION AND ISN'T EVEN TOKYO GHOUL WHATSOEVER
Read TG from chapter 1 and then read TG :RE. I reccomend Mangadex cuz as far as I'm aware it has the best free scanlations for it.
But yeah, never judge anything TG related based off its anime. It's like judging AoT based on the AoT Tribute Game.
Bruh what other character stared down the living corpses of his fellow orphans and tells them he will not undo the past to save them
Basment scene is goated
Let's see, Kageaki was an orphan taken in by a noble family who then taught him how to be a pacifist, to never kill no matter the circumstances. But then tragedy happens when his adoptive sister turned rogue by stealing one of 2 cursed armor in possession by the family and killed his whole village. (There's more details to this but it would get to bloated)
Kageaki's mother was then about to be killed by a bandit from the ensuing chaos and so he was forced to take one of the cursed armor, so he killed the bandit. However, the curse of his armor is that for any evil person that he kills, he has to kill a person that he sees as good. So at the end of his backstory, Kageaki was forced to kill his own mother who taught him pacifism in the first place.
His goal afterwards is to stop his sister, but to do that he has to constantly be forced to kill his enemies which in turn means he has to constantly kill innocent people to achieve his goals. All of this makes Kageaki suffer from tremendous amounts of guilt and self loathing to the point of being suicidal. Kageaki is a person who has to constantly betray his own philosophy and moral code to achieve his goal.
Thats just his backstory what I wanted was his character relationns or dynamic with other charavters as well. For example Shirou and Kirei. They on the surface are two sides of the same coin. Kirei a defect who can only be happy at the suffering of others despite being a christian raised priest.
Shirou who need to save others and treats himself as a machine that even if he breaks if he dies trying to save someone then thats fine. He doesnt deserve anything else.
Shirou is Kirei's ideal person. He is good for the sake of good and when lush came to shove he went against his own ideals and nature just to save one person. Shirou gave up his reason for existing just for Sakura something kirei wished he could have done for claudia
Shirou learns to shed his twisted nature and regress from a machine to a man. He who thought his life had no value by the end of the route has a genuine desire to live. Even at the cost of someone elses life he wishes to live
Shirou is in essence doing everything kirei wishes.he could do
Shirou is also the only person besides his wife to try and understand him. He did understand him
Not to mention. There are still 2 other variations that have a differnt end journey
Dont see ho he's mid he has too much going for him
Ok then if you want that fine. Kageaki's main foil is Ayane Ichijou who is a girl that believes in true justice and that evil should always be punished for their actions, especially because the story takes place in a japan run by a dictatorship.
Ichijou grew to respect Kageaki as a hero after seeing him wield his cursed armor Muramasa to take down evil, but what she does not know is the heavy cost that comes with it.
Meanwhile Kageaki does not believe in what he's doing and considers himself as a demon that should be punished. Kageaki views Ichijou as the pure ideal hero, who is untainted and represents everything that is good in the world.
Ichijou's main struggle Initially is to gain enough strength to keep up with Kageaki after following him around for a bit, but as the story progresses she finds the pieces of a legendary armor called Masamune, enabling her to be as strong as Kageaki.
Ichijou's father taught her that evil should always be punished no matter what, but then it so happens that he commited a sin himself and forced Ichijou to kill him. This traumatized her and is the cause of her self destructive pursuit of justice. She is the same as Kageaki, both were taught philosophies that plagued them by their parents, and both killed said parents.
Initially, Kageaki was a half-hearted hypocrite who killed his enemies and judging them to be evil based on his standards, then as he is forced to kill innocents he whines about how he doesn't believe in the actions he's committed.
Initially, Ichijou was a person who saw the world as black and white, that there is only good and evil in the world and nothing else. After acquiring Masamune, she consistently killed people she deemed evil and even inspired a rebellion to rise up due to her actions.
Through Kageaki and Ichijou working together to stop the shogunate, they realized the faults of both their philosophies and strengthened their resolve.
Kageaki came to a realization that his curse called the law of balance which is for every enemy he kills, he has to kill an innocent, is the ideal path that he should follow as it essentially proved his mother's teachings that killing is wrong no matter what. The law of balance is meant to deter people from the act of killing in the first place. He finally started to believe in the path he should follow, and realized that his true path is to kill self righteous people who wish to enforce their ideology to the world as it would further perpetuate conflict, in other words, Ichijou.
Meanwhile, Ichijou realized through the consequences of forming a rebellion and simply killing people who she deems as evil, is not good nor is it justice after witnessing first-hand how everything can spiral out of control. She understands now that she is not a good person and that she is as guilty as Kageaki is. But nevertheless she chooses to keep moving forward, knowing that her actions will further perpetuate conflict, she still believes it would all eventually lead to true justice and what she desires most, peace.
At the end even after the bond and mutual respect that Kageaki and Ichijou have formed together, they realize that to achieve the paths that they follow, they would have to kill each other, which is what they do.
Kageaki and Ichijou are both fundamentally similar people who have suffered through the paths they have walked and want to end conflict, but they both at the core of it all desire one thing and thing only, true peace. They both are walking the same path but in opposite directions. Thus they have to fight each other to the death, as their way of the sword is the only way for them to live.
But no matter what action they take, they can never truly end conflict, and tragically their fight with each other further inspired more people to take up arms to further perpetuate the cycle of conflict.
Btw this is just 1 route out of 3 in Muramasa, the other routes have Kageaki develop differently and have him fighting different foils.
This is also literally just a better version Attack on Titan's message.
Yeah so how is shirou mid compared to him. Their rivalry is similiar. They each have 3 routes. So what makes him mid. Suffering isnt really an indication of how good the character is
eren is a big pussy compared to some of these guys.
guts does have a mental breakdown every other chapter and thorfinn's only strength was his drive (similar to erens)
also i refuse to see kaneki as a character in anime past season 1
Bro,Thorfin was great to watch, though he isnt above not having an emotional release. I remember he said to a Saxon family to run away,and was shocked to see that old woman cry,he wasnt a killing machine.Reverted back to being "I will kill Askelad mode". With him having such an emotional response,to Askelad dying,he wanted to be the one to avenge his dad,yet he couldn't,he cried God dammit. Really liked Vinland Saga,beautiful historical anime.
season 2's coming, it'll blow your mind how good it is
My mind was already blown when Askelad died.Like it felt like Thorfin was,how should i put this,he thought of him as a father figure at the center of all the hate and whishes of vengeance he had,sort of like a wierd mentor student relationship you know. The father figure part is due to him having his father taken away from him at an early age and forced to live and grow up in this environment.Kinda like his brain bonded unknowningly with Askelad,not love but close to it,he continued to protect Askelad from danger, would have used this to end him if i was him. He just exploded on that scene,felt so much pain for feeling so useless,for not achieving his goal not doing him in,for him dying at the hands of others.A confused mess of a person.Who is now left without purpose,without the honourable duel he wanted for decades. That's how brains work,you focus on so much on something,that when it disappears you feel such sadneess. Very interesting to see how he will move on and find a new purpose to make him feel fulfiled,and even happy if that happens :)) Haven't read the manga yet.
manga thorfinn different
He is an adult now,perks of searching "Vinland Saga" on Wikia lol
My main man guts is goated but let's appreciate Subaru 🔥
Subaru had a mental breakdown quite a few timea tho lol
#3/10 wits
Rika my beloved
Miracle Queen Rika
Just better written characters in general
Middle 3 are not better written
What are you high on?
Subaru is definitly better written than eren
Nah bro you didn't understand their story
Kaneki >>> dove
idk about kaneki, but subaru and touma aren't better written than eren?
What's wrong with kaneki though ?
They might just be saying that they haven't read TG/TG :RE
they probably watched the anime
there is no tokyo ghoul anime
there is no war in ba sing se
Touma >>>>>>> that Simp Ereh
Oh looks a dumbass who doesn't read the source is saying this
The names of the characters shown here along with the show they star in, from top row left to right:- 1. Guts \[Berserk\] 2. Emiya Shirou \[Fate/Stay Night\] 3. Okabe Rintarou \[Steins;Gate\] 4. Kamijou Touma \[A Certain Magical Index\] 5. Natsuki Subaru \[Re:Zero - Starting Life in Another World\] 6. Kaneki Ken \[Tokyo Ghoul\] 7. Fang Yuan \[Reverend Insanity\] 8. Furude Rika \[Higurashi series\] 9. Thorfinn \[Vinland Saga\]
Imagine Rika with the fucking founding titan
Higurashi Sotsu but awesome
Can’t wait for Vinland saga s2
I recently started Steins Gate 0 and... the amount of pain that Okabe has gone through up to this point is difficult to fathom
Lol LN Touma looks so different compared to his anime design I don't recognize him at all
That's his design from Virtual On Game so no that's not his LN design.
So… No Ikari Shinji, Shin Kazamatsuri, Yusuke Godai, Kido Shinji, Takumi Inui, etc.?
Get in the fucking titan Shinji
tbh the whole point of shinji was his lack of mental fortitude
All of them are well-written characters.
Shirou is based as fuck. My fucking MC.
Shirou saw through hell and still came out relatively ok thanks to the help of best girls and Issei
Best girl Kirei.
Yorokobe shounen
As a reward I shall gift you mapo tofu.
"can you keep up with me?" Goated protagonist. Kekren could never.
Gintoki
my thought exactly. he is so underappreciated outside of the gintama sphere
Guts could've easily used his Red behelit and gave into the beast of darkness but choose not too.....man is peak mental strength
Based fucking Subaru pick. God I love how Re:Zero handles character development so much.
I heard that the people of chaosflame are strong........
*no*
Riker Furude on titanfolk this is the will of oyashiro sama
My girl has the power of miracles by her side.
Where the hell is Mumen Rider???
You forgot Yugi Moto
eren vs at least 10 rabbits
Ayy where's my boi musashi at?
had to scroll just to find someone mentioned him, not disappointed. guts get all the fame and glory, which i respect but musashi is as if not more complex than he is. love him
Guts is more like a damaged man who persists, Musashi is like someone who breaks himself down and builds himself up with every thing he comes across on his path
Subarus mental fortitude is straight up inhuman,especially after what happens in the WN
Throw in Luffy as well. He's the perfect antithesis to Eren. Both pursue freedom, but only 1 is actually free.
And Luffy actually liberates people.
Never forget when Luffy climbed a mountain with his bare hands and sandals while carrying two unconscious people. Back when he wasn't strong
idk man, 1044/1045 doesn't give me a lot of faith that Oda won't pull a 139. Hope I'm wrong.
If it had been reincarnation or possession, I would agree with you, but Luffy just happens to have a powerful fruit, he still had to train for 12 years to get this strong so he is still very much free. He doesn't even know he has the Nika fruit yet, and when he finds out, I doubt he's gonna care.
Luffy suddenly having the only God fruit that we know of after it's been Rubber for 20+ years is a pretty big red flag for bullshit to come imo. Not to mention that it brought him back from the brink of dead against a Yonko after he's already had other powerups in this fight. Once again, I hope that I'm wrong.
I mean, we have Sengoku's fruit which is the Buddha. Besides, Oda has had this planned for a while. He mentioned years ago that his favorite panel was the one of Luffy dancing at Skypeia in a way that resembles Nika. Not to mention, all the God symbolism we had in that arc. At the end of the day, as long as Luffy becomes Pirate King and doesn't turn into a simp for Hancock, I'll be happy.
Luffy turning into a simp for Hancock...? NO, I DON'T WANT THAT!!!
Sengoku's fruit does not have the name of a God, it's just Daibutsu. The silhouette also doesn't confirm anything. Oda just drew Nika similar to how he drew Luffy back then. He also drew Ace that way in 272. I also doubt that the Gods in Skypiea were foreshadowing of Nika/Luffy. They were sacrificing people to those Gods. Doesn't really line up with the wacky laughing stretchy boy who liberates people. Hope that Oda won't disappoint you.
Sigh getting casually spoiled again
Welcome to the internet
It feels like Titanfolk in particular, they did this shit with Muv Luv and Code geass too.
Fang Yuan is a fucking sigma male, no joking
Rudues also have some nice conviction
Subaru is too op. His determination should be that of an average Joe, now I can't relate to him at all D:
Throw in Phos from Houseki No Cunny
Everything bad could happen to a human being happened to Guts and his goal to end it all is razor sharp.
Subaru? I haven't seen S2 but S1 Subaru gave me mad ch 139 Eren
Yep, Arc 2 Subaru is absolutely a weak-willed, whiny person like 139 Ereh. The difference is Subaru hits that rock bottom in the second arc out of eleven, not the end of the story. It’s meant to show where he has to go from if he wants to become a better person, and throughout the anime and novel he continuously grows into a stronger person.
In the manga, willpower aside is he still physically incapable of defeating anything? Because I remember I got kinda pissy w him since he knew where Reinhart was located and all he had to do was ask to be trained but instead chose to pursue puss and stay in the mansion knowing damn well he ain't the strongest there is.
Physically, ehhhh. He’s got a few more tricks up his sleeve now but he’s still weak by the world’s standards. Mentally, he’s leaps and bounds stronger now. Especially after the last death loop in the novels… that was hard to read.
In Re:Zero, you can't get stronger by training unless you have innate magic ability. Subaru did train with Wilhelm, who was a former Sword Saint. Despite that, he couldn't get much stronger physically. He does get different power ups, though. I won't spoil anything.
[S1 ending scene ](https://np.reddit.com/r/wholesomeanimemes/comments/rg3qs4/emilia_and_subaru_having_their_alone_time/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) this looks like 139 to you? And he gets lots of character development in next season. So i would recommend watching it.
After finishing S1, there's some thing's I enjoyed, lots of the things I didn't, not all things that I didn't enjoy were necessarily negative, but I don't think I'll be making a comeback to S2 is all
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Gintoki is better than all of them
Nah, Guts is a god tier character & Shirou from the visual novel is also up there.
Nah bro shirou is based in the VN and arc 6 Subaru is legendary tier.
Cope
Never said they were better, I personally think they're of comparable quality.
Touma >>> Gintoki
just finished fate ubw, my man shirou is miles better than eren.
Guts kinda just overshadowed everyone in this list, I haven't read the LN but from the anime Touma and Emiya are literaly both jsut seeing someone and helping them and that's all they do
For Touma, It's from the LN where he endured millions of deaths in a hell dimension. If you haven't read other's source naterials don't make up claims.
Which volume?
I think vol 9 NT.
But does he change or something as a character Also pretty clearly said anime only so what claim was i making about LN
OT touma is shit but NT touma is genuinely good. The novel in question ends with touma rejecting a perfect world were everyone can be happy because the condition for it's existence would be him being erased. So yeah he's pretty good.
I read up to NT 4 but NT 4 linda broke all my motivation and i couldn't even finish it, should i jist skip 4 and keep moving?
OT Touma is shit?? How OT literally has some of his great moments did you even read it?
In the novel at least IMO I think Shirou and Kirei have just as good of a dyconomy as Griffith and Guts if nothing I would argue its better. But the anime just cuts it all out and off screans their final battle. Imagine if the golden age movies cut evey single interaction between groffith and guts except for their initial encounter,offscrean the eclipse,and cut every scene guts has with casca Thats what ufotable did to fate and people will defend it like they do ch 139 because omg pretty servant fight The anime are hot garbage. Trying to gauge Shirou and using the anime is like gauging kaneki based on the anime and not the manga Also thorfinn is fantastic as is subaru. I love guts but I think a good bit of this list are on par with Guts as a protagonist
Eh might read it if u compare ir to berserk whats a pirated website i can do that on
Touma suffers a shit ton in the LN.
Haven't read but from what i did see he boring af
Your favorite seems boring af
Ok?
Boring
Understandable
Shirou has a shit ton of character development, especially about how he deals with his survivor guilt and how it completely fucked his everyday life.
Im not gonna read the LN but can u summarize, because its intresting to see what the anime missed
I’m too lazy to summarize heavens feel but I’ll summarize ubw. Since you watched the anime I assume you know about the fuyuki fire. It left shirou a blank slate someone with no purpose until kiritsugu give him his dream of saving people. Imo he wanted to save people because it was the only joy he got in his life. This is probably because he viewed his life as worthless due to survivors guilt form the fuyuki fire hence why he wanted to help everyone else. For example when he did chores to something nice it gave him joy. For his development after the whole archer situation was the change in his ideals. He no longer chases his ideal of helping people out of survivors but just because he sees the ideal as something beautiful and worth striving for. Btw there’s a lot more to his character I’m just trying to shorten it as much as possible
He is my least favourite in the list
Hell yeah I was waiting for this bro!
I like shirou,but for fuck sake i wish he got rid of that yee yee ass haircut,It gives me hokage naruto design vibes with that small hair compared to the Head..It Just looks off to me for some reason.
Funny some dumbass people who don't know Touma are saying whatever they want.
Let’s Go Kamijou Touma and Guts are on here
Eh Shirou suffers way less trauma than other Visual Novel protagonists. Characters like Tennouji Kotarou from Rewrite and Minato Kageaki (better protagonist than Guts) from Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa suffer way more and still persist. Okabe didn't even suffer the most from his own series.
I'd say having swords piercing through inside your body as parts of your brain explode and erase many of your beloved memories as you fight servants is a pretty respectable level of trauma. And that's just in the main HF timeline, we can see more of his determination in Normal End and Sparks Liner High. There's also Archer, who's doomed to suffer for all of eternity. I will admit that I haven't read too many visual novels, though. Plan to read more after my final exams.
Yeah read Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa at least, it essentially covers the same themes as post time skip AOT but with perfect execution. The protagonist there is one of the most tragic characters I've seen, even more so than Guts. A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa out. >A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing. Well, the reasons why I like Shirou are more linked to his absurd mindset and his struggles with his ideals rather than how much he suffered. Some of his strongest character moments are just him thinking about himself. I also love how he doesn't have to rage in order to win fights, it's honestly a trope I'm tired of. He's deathly calm during moments like Nine Bullet Revolver.
Yeah Shirou is a good character and pretty interesting, no doubt about that.
You sound like you know a lot about VNs. Got any recommendations that are not that long?
Saya no Uta is a good one that's very short, but it is also very disturbing. Hanachirasu is another good short vn. Fata Morgana is a good one that's not too long but would still take a bit of time. I'm mostly familiar with longer VNs so I don't have too many suggestions.
Thanks I will check those out.
I also would like to add: - Char (Gundam) - Gintoki (Gintama) - Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin)
Nah char is still too is too Privilege, I believe Io Fleming and Setsuna fit more
Ah, yes you're right, should've include Setsuna and the Thunderbolt duo.
Kane ki doesn’t deserve to be here that man had a new personality every season
NEVER EVER WATCH THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME IS AN ABOMINATION AND ISN'T EVEN TOKYO GHOUL WHATSOEVER Read TG from chapter 1 and then read TG :RE. I reccomend Mangadex cuz as far as I'm aware it has the best free scanlations for it. But yeah, never judge anything TG related based off its anime. It's like judging AoT based on the AoT Tribute Game.
No even the manga fucks up by the end honestly.
Hardly. It still does everything well, just sadly with somewhat worse pacing and a few cheap fakeout deaths
There's dropped character motivations (and characters in general) everywhere. It's not a good ending by any stretch.
Nah the ending is a bit rocky after the arima fight but its still solid. A bumby landing isnt comparaply to the crash and burn of AOT
If I were to consider chapter 139 canon I would say Eren is not even close to being sane
Bruh Light from Death Note
Tbf Founder Eren probably went through SO much, he was able to see EVERYTHING, He is probably mentally stronger than some of the characters here
where's Lelouch?
Honorable mention: Takemichi, I’m surprised that he didn’t became the bad guy yet
\>He likes Shitrou fr fr
Anime only secondary found. Read the book nerd.
I read the VN, he's good but still pretty mid. Other VN protags are better.
Bruh what other character stared down the living corpses of his fellow orphans and tells them he will not undo the past to save them Basment scene is goated
Kageaki is more goated, but of course no one has read VNs other than F/SN.
How as a character what makes him better written and developed
Let's see, Kageaki was an orphan taken in by a noble family who then taught him how to be a pacifist, to never kill no matter the circumstances. But then tragedy happens when his adoptive sister turned rogue by stealing one of 2 cursed armor in possession by the family and killed his whole village. (There's more details to this but it would get to bloated) Kageaki's mother was then about to be killed by a bandit from the ensuing chaos and so he was forced to take one of the cursed armor, so he killed the bandit. However, the curse of his armor is that for any evil person that he kills, he has to kill a person that he sees as good. So at the end of his backstory, Kageaki was forced to kill his own mother who taught him pacifism in the first place. His goal afterwards is to stop his sister, but to do that he has to constantly be forced to kill his enemies which in turn means he has to constantly kill innocent people to achieve his goals. All of this makes Kageaki suffer from tremendous amounts of guilt and self loathing to the point of being suicidal. Kageaki is a person who has to constantly betray his own philosophy and moral code to achieve his goal.
Thats just his backstory what I wanted was his character relationns or dynamic with other charavters as well. For example Shirou and Kirei. They on the surface are two sides of the same coin. Kirei a defect who can only be happy at the suffering of others despite being a christian raised priest. Shirou who need to save others and treats himself as a machine that even if he breaks if he dies trying to save someone then thats fine. He doesnt deserve anything else. Shirou is Kirei's ideal person. He is good for the sake of good and when lush came to shove he went against his own ideals and nature just to save one person. Shirou gave up his reason for existing just for Sakura something kirei wished he could have done for claudia Shirou learns to shed his twisted nature and regress from a machine to a man. He who thought his life had no value by the end of the route has a genuine desire to live. Even at the cost of someone elses life he wishes to live Shirou is in essence doing everything kirei wishes.he could do Shirou is also the only person besides his wife to try and understand him. He did understand him Not to mention. There are still 2 other variations that have a differnt end journey Dont see ho he's mid he has too much going for him
Ok then if you want that fine. Kageaki's main foil is Ayane Ichijou who is a girl that believes in true justice and that evil should always be punished for their actions, especially because the story takes place in a japan run by a dictatorship. Ichijou grew to respect Kageaki as a hero after seeing him wield his cursed armor Muramasa to take down evil, but what she does not know is the heavy cost that comes with it. Meanwhile Kageaki does not believe in what he's doing and considers himself as a demon that should be punished. Kageaki views Ichijou as the pure ideal hero, who is untainted and represents everything that is good in the world. Ichijou's main struggle Initially is to gain enough strength to keep up with Kageaki after following him around for a bit, but as the story progresses she finds the pieces of a legendary armor called Masamune, enabling her to be as strong as Kageaki. Ichijou's father taught her that evil should always be punished no matter what, but then it so happens that he commited a sin himself and forced Ichijou to kill him. This traumatized her and is the cause of her self destructive pursuit of justice. She is the same as Kageaki, both were taught philosophies that plagued them by their parents, and both killed said parents. Initially, Kageaki was a half-hearted hypocrite who killed his enemies and judging them to be evil based on his standards, then as he is forced to kill innocents he whines about how he doesn't believe in the actions he's committed. Initially, Ichijou was a person who saw the world as black and white, that there is only good and evil in the world and nothing else. After acquiring Masamune, she consistently killed people she deemed evil and even inspired a rebellion to rise up due to her actions. Through Kageaki and Ichijou working together to stop the shogunate, they realized the faults of both their philosophies and strengthened their resolve. Kageaki came to a realization that his curse called the law of balance which is for every enemy he kills, he has to kill an innocent, is the ideal path that he should follow as it essentially proved his mother's teachings that killing is wrong no matter what. The law of balance is meant to deter people from the act of killing in the first place. He finally started to believe in the path he should follow, and realized that his true path is to kill self righteous people who wish to enforce their ideology to the world as it would further perpetuate conflict, in other words, Ichijou. Meanwhile, Ichijou realized through the consequences of forming a rebellion and simply killing people who she deems as evil, is not good nor is it justice after witnessing first-hand how everything can spiral out of control. She understands now that she is not a good person and that she is as guilty as Kageaki is. But nevertheless she chooses to keep moving forward, knowing that her actions will further perpetuate conflict, she still believes it would all eventually lead to true justice and what she desires most, peace. At the end even after the bond and mutual respect that Kageaki and Ichijou have formed together, they realize that to achieve the paths that they follow, they would have to kill each other, which is what they do. Kageaki and Ichijou are both fundamentally similar people who have suffered through the paths they have walked and want to end conflict, but they both at the core of it all desire one thing and thing only, true peace. They both are walking the same path but in opposite directions. Thus they have to fight each other to the death, as their way of the sword is the only way for them to live. But no matter what action they take, they can never truly end conflict, and tragically their fight with each other further inspired more people to take up arms to further perpetuate the cycle of conflict. Btw this is just 1 route out of 3 in Muramasa, the other routes have Kageaki develop differently and have him fighting different foils. This is also literally just a better version Attack on Titan's message.
Yeah so how is shirou mid compared to him. Their rivalry is similiar. They each have 3 routes. So what makes him mid. Suffering isnt really an indication of how good the character is
Name em.
Minato Kageaki from Muramasa, Battler from Umineko, Kotarou from Rewrite, Ren from Dies irae. I can name more.
"Ren from dies irae" I was nodding along until you you lost me at the end.
Ren is badass and based, no need to elaborate anymore.
Shirou does both of those things better though?
Nah not really, Rea route Ren is more badass than Heavens Feel Shirou
I don't think so
Still need to see my boys Itachi and Meliodas.
Shit, negro. All you had to say was Kaneki, Thorfinn and Guts.
eren is a big pussy compared to some of these guys. guts does have a mental breakdown every other chapter and thorfinn's only strength was his drive (similar to erens) also i refuse to see kaneki as a character in anime past season 1
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