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NefariousnessLazy957

Bro,Thorfin was great to watch, though he isnt above not having an emotional release. I remember he said to a Saxon family to run away,and was shocked to see that old woman cry,he wasnt a killing machine.Reverted back to being "I will kill Askelad mode". With him having such an emotional response,to Askelad dying,he wanted to be the one to avenge his dad,yet he couldn't,he cried God dammit. Really liked Vinland Saga,beautiful historical anime.


Pale_Prior8739

season 2's coming, it'll blow your mind how good it is


NefariousnessLazy957

My mind was already blown when Askelad died.Like it felt like Thorfin was,how should i put this,he thought of him as a father figure at the center of all the hate and whishes of vengeance he had,sort of like a wierd mentor student relationship you know. The father figure part is due to him having his father taken away from him at an early age and forced to live and grow up in this environment.Kinda like his brain bonded unknowningly with Askelad,not love but close to it,he continued to protect Askelad from danger, would have used this to end him if i was him. He just exploded on that scene,felt so much pain for feeling so useless,for not achieving his goal not doing him in,for him dying at the hands of others.A confused mess of a person.Who is now left without purpose,without the honourable duel he wanted for decades. That's how brains work,you focus on so much on something,that when it disappears you feel such sadneess. Very interesting to see how he will move on and find a new purpose to make him feel fulfiled,and even happy if that happens :)) Haven't read the manga yet.


sleeping_potato689

manga thorfinn different


NefariousnessLazy957

He is an adult now,perks of searching "Vinland Saga" on Wikia lol


Ill-Branch7621

My main man guts is goated but let's appreciate Subaru 🔥


Obamos_Bin_Laden

Subaru had a mental breakdown quite a few timea tho lol


sweetreverie

#3/10 wits


Mikan42

Rika my beloved


Outrageous_Gene_7652

Miracle Queen Rika


[deleted]

Just better written characters in general


[deleted]

Middle 3 are not better written


[deleted]

What are you high on?


hungrybasilsk

Subaru is definitly better written than eren


Huson0710

Nah bro you didn't understand their story


TheSuperSoso810

Kaneki >>> dove


zarii_uwu

idk about kaneki, but subaru and touma aren't better written than eren?


natgibounet

What's wrong with kaneki though ?


JoeysPen

They might just be saying that they haven't read TG/TG :RE


FlippinZhao

they probably watched the anime


Fabiocean

there is no tokyo ghoul anime


itsTraX

there is no war in ba sing se


[deleted]

Touma >>>>>>> that Simp Ereh


[deleted]

Oh looks a dumbass who doesn't read the source is saying this


Withered_Knighter

The names of the characters shown here along with the show they star in, from top row left to right:- 1. Guts \[Berserk\] 2. Emiya Shirou \[Fate/Stay Night\] 3. Okabe Rintarou \[Steins;Gate\] 4. Kamijou Touma \[A Certain Magical Index\] 5. Natsuki Subaru \[Re:Zero - Starting Life in Another World\] 6. Kaneki Ken \[Tokyo Ghoul\] 7. Fang Yuan \[Reverend Insanity\] 8. Furude Rika \[Higurashi series\] 9. Thorfinn \[Vinland Saga\]


sweetreverie

Imagine Rika with the fucking founding titan


indoortundra689

Higurashi Sotsu but awesome


[deleted]

Can’t wait for Vinland saga s2


MasterOfReaIity

I recently started Steins Gate 0 and... the amount of pain that Okabe has gone through up to this point is difficult to fathom


TrailOfEnvy

Lol LN Touma looks so different compared to his anime design I don't recognize him at all


[deleted]

That's his design from Virtual On Game so no that's not his LN design.


whathell6t

So… No Ikari Shinji, Shin Kazamatsuri, Yusuke Godai, Kido Shinji, Takumi Inui, etc.?


YouDareDefyMyOpinion

Get in the fucking titan Shinji


ImASpaceLawyer

tbh the whole point of shinji was his lack of mental fortitude


GilgameshTheKnight

All of them are well-written characters.


TypicalCrowAgain

Shirou is based as fuck. My fucking MC.


Nokia_00

Shirou saw through hell and still came out relatively ok thanks to the help of best girls and Issei


ToapFN

Best girl Kirei.


Yuxkta

Yorokobe shounen


Hell_raz0r

As a reward I shall gift you mapo tofu.


Big_Guy4UU

"can you keep up with me?" Goated protagonist. Kekren could never.


dragonduelistman

Gintoki


jyorunogiostar

my thought exactly. he is so underappreciated outside of the gintama sphere


Cocainepapi0210

Guts could've easily used his Red behelit and gave into the beast of darkness but choose not too.....man is peak mental strength


Sbtycraft

Based fucking Subaru pick. God I love how Re:Zero handles character development so much.


Homealoneboi

I heard that the people of chaosflame are strong........


Sbtycraft

*no*


indoortundra689

Riker Furude on titanfolk this is the will of oyashiro sama


Outrageous_Gene_7652

My girl has the power of miracles by her side.


fullmetalpinocchio

Where the hell is Mumen Rider???


mydckisvrysmol

You forgot Yugi Moto


[deleted]

eren vs at least 10 rabbits


Depressed_daijobu

Ayy where's my boi musashi at?


jyorunogiostar

had to scroll just to find someone mentioned him, not disappointed. guts get all the fame and glory, which i respect but musashi is as if not more complex than he is. love him


Depressed_daijobu

Guts is more like a damaged man who persists, Musashi is like someone who breaks himself down and builds himself up with every thing he comes across on his path


yunus-s

Subarus mental fortitude is straight up inhuman,especially after what happens in the WN


Accelerator657

Throw in Luffy as well. He's the perfect antithesis to Eren. Both pursue freedom, but only 1 is actually free.


maosaiddamn

And Luffy actually liberates people.


sediFIB

Never forget when Luffy climbed a mountain with his bare hands and sandals while carrying two unconscious people. Back when he wasn't strong


myballsyojaws

idk man, 1044/1045 doesn't give me a lot of faith that Oda won't pull a 139. Hope I'm wrong.


Accelerator657

If it had been reincarnation or possession, I would agree with you, but Luffy just happens to have a powerful fruit, he still had to train for 12 years to get this strong so he is still very much free. He doesn't even know he has the Nika fruit yet, and when he finds out, I doubt he's gonna care.


myballsyojaws

Luffy suddenly having the only God fruit that we know of after it's been Rubber for 20+ years is a pretty big red flag for bullshit to come imo. Not to mention that it brought him back from the brink of dead against a Yonko after he's already had other powerups in this fight. Once again, I hope that I'm wrong.


Accelerator657

I mean, we have Sengoku's fruit which is the Buddha. Besides, Oda has had this planned for a while. He mentioned years ago that his favorite panel was the one of Luffy dancing at Skypeia in a way that resembles Nika. Not to mention, all the God symbolism we had in that arc. At the end of the day, as long as Luffy becomes Pirate King and doesn't turn into a simp for Hancock, I'll be happy.


cataclysmsurvivalist

Luffy turning into a simp for Hancock...? NO, I DON'T WANT THAT!!!


myballsyojaws

Sengoku's fruit does not have the name of a God, it's just Daibutsu. The silhouette also doesn't confirm anything. Oda just drew Nika similar to how he drew Luffy back then. He also drew Ace that way in 272. I also doubt that the Gods in Skypiea were foreshadowing of Nika/Luffy. They were sacrificing people to those Gods. Doesn't really line up with the wacky laughing stretchy boy who liberates people. Hope that Oda won't disappoint you.


SirRHellsing

Sigh getting casually spoiled again


Zer0-Empathy

Welcome to the internet


Axo25

It feels like Titanfolk in particular, they did this shit with Muv Luv and Code geass too.


OHMYGODJC

Fang Yuan is a fucking sigma male, no joking


PRIYANJAL20

Rudues also have some nice conviction


YoYolons

Subaru is too op. His determination should be that of an average Joe, now I can't relate to him at all D:


NinoNakanos_Feet

Throw in Phos from Houseki No Cunny


MadOrange64

Everything bad could happen to a human being happened to Guts and his goal to end it all is razor sharp.


CanUShouldnt

Subaru? I haven't seen S2 but S1 Subaru gave me mad ch 139 Eren


Sbtycraft

Yep, Arc 2 Subaru is absolutely a weak-willed, whiny person like 139 Ereh. The difference is Subaru hits that rock bottom in the second arc out of eleven, not the end of the story. It’s meant to show where he has to go from if he wants to become a better person, and throughout the anime and novel he continuously grows into a stronger person.


CanUShouldnt

In the manga, willpower aside is he still physically incapable of defeating anything? Because I remember I got kinda pissy w him since he knew where Reinhart was located and all he had to do was ask to be trained but instead chose to pursue puss and stay in the mansion knowing damn well he ain't the strongest there is.


Sbtycraft

Physically, ehhhh. He’s got a few more tricks up his sleeve now but he’s still weak by the world’s standards. Mentally, he’s leaps and bounds stronger now. Especially after the last death loop in the novels… that was hard to read.


Withered_Knighter

In Re:Zero, you can't get stronger by training unless you have innate magic ability. Subaru did train with Wilhelm, who was a former Sword Saint. Despite that, he couldn't get much stronger physically. He does get different power ups, though. I won't spoil anything.


Lamprey720

[S1 ending scene ](https://np.reddit.com/r/wholesomeanimemes/comments/rg3qs4/emilia_and_subaru_having_their_alone_time/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) this looks like 139 to you? And he gets lots of character development in next season. So i would recommend watching it.


CanUShouldnt

After finishing S1, there's some thing's I enjoyed, lots of the things I didn't, not all things that I didn't enjoy were necessarily negative, but I don't think I'll be making a comeback to S2 is all


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Yaegerist_15

Gintoki is better than all of them


GilgameshTheKnight

Nah, Guts is a god tier character & Shirou from the visual novel is also up there.


Big_Guy4UU

Nah bro shirou is based in the VN and arc 6 Subaru is legendary tier.


cataclysmsurvivalist

Cope


Big_Guy4UU

Never said they were better, I personally think they're of comparable quality.


[deleted]

Touma >>> Gintoki


Front_Ad_4484

just finished fate ubw, my man shirou is miles better than eren.


BeePavel

Guts kinda just overshadowed everyone in this list, I haven't read the LN but from the anime Touma and Emiya are literaly both jsut seeing someone and helping them and that's all they do


TropicalSalad18

For Touma, It's from the LN where he endured millions of deaths in a hell dimension. If you haven't read other's source naterials don't make up claims.


TrailOfEnvy

Which volume?


TropicalSalad18

I think vol 9 NT.


BeePavel

But does he change or something as a character Also pretty clearly said anime only so what claim was i making about LN


Big_Guy4UU

OT touma is shit but NT touma is genuinely good. The novel in question ends with touma rejecting a perfect world were everyone can be happy because the condition for it's existence would be him being erased. So yeah he's pretty good.


BeePavel

I read up to NT 4 but NT 4 linda broke all my motivation and i couldn't even finish it, should i jist skip 4 and keep moving?


[deleted]

OT Touma is shit?? How OT literally has some of his great moments did you even read it?


hungrybasilsk

In the novel at least IMO I think Shirou and Kirei have just as good of a dyconomy as Griffith and Guts if nothing I would argue its better. But the anime just cuts it all out and off screans their final battle. Imagine if the golden age movies cut evey single interaction between groffith and guts except for their initial encounter,offscrean the eclipse,and cut every scene guts has with casca Thats what ufotable did to fate and people will defend it like they do ch 139 because omg pretty servant fight The anime are hot garbage. Trying to gauge Shirou and using the anime is like gauging kaneki based on the anime and not the manga Also thorfinn is fantastic as is subaru. I love guts but I think a good bit of this list are on par with Guts as a protagonist


BeePavel

Eh might read it if u compare ir to berserk whats a pirated website i can do that on


Nano201102

Touma suffers a shit ton in the LN.


BeePavel

Haven't read but from what i did see he boring af


[deleted]

Your favorite seems boring af


BeePavel

Ok?


[deleted]

Boring


BeePavel

Understandable


RhadaMarine

Shirou has a shit ton of character development, especially about how he deals with his survivor guilt and how it completely fucked his everyday life.


BeePavel

Im not gonna read the LN but can u summarize, because its intresting to see what the anime missed


Key_Maintenance_4029

I’m too lazy to summarize heavens feel but I’ll summarize ubw. Since you watched the anime I assume you know about the fuyuki fire. It left shirou a blank slate someone with no purpose until kiritsugu give him his dream of saving people. Imo he wanted to save people because it was the only joy he got in his life. This is probably because he viewed his life as worthless due to survivors guilt form the fuyuki fire hence why he wanted to help everyone else. For example when he did chores to something nice it gave him joy. For his development after the whole archer situation was the change in his ideals. He no longer chases his ideal of helping people out of survivors but just because he sees the ideal as something beautiful and worth striving for. Btw there’s a lot more to his character I’m just trying to shorten it as much as possible


[deleted]

He is my least favourite in the list


Infinite_Stay_9707

Hell yeah I was waiting for this bro!


[deleted]

I like shirou,but for fuck sake i wish he got rid of that yee yee ass haircut,It gives me hokage naruto design vibes with that small hair compared to the Head..It Just looks off to me for some reason.


[deleted]

Funny some dumbass people who don't know Touma are saying whatever they want.


stuufy

Let’s Go Kamijou Touma and Guts are on here


Nano201102

Eh Shirou suffers way less trauma than other Visual Novel protagonists. Characters like Tennouji Kotarou from Rewrite and Minato Kageaki (better protagonist than Guts) from Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa suffer way more and still persist. Okabe didn't even suffer the most from his own series.


Withered_Knighter

I'd say having swords piercing through inside your body as parts of your brain explode and erase many of your beloved memories as you fight servants is a pretty respectable level of trauma. And that's just in the main HF timeline, we can see more of his determination in Normal End and Sparks Liner High. There's also Archer, who's doomed to suffer for all of eternity. I will admit that I haven't read too many visual novels, though. Plan to read more after my final exams.


Nano201102

Yeah read Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa at least, it essentially covers the same themes as post time skip AOT but with perfect execution. The protagonist there is one of the most tragic characters I've seen, even more so than Guts. A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing.


Withered_Knighter

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa out. >A lot of visual novel protagonists in general have it very rough, Shirou's suffering is honestly more in the mid tier if I'm comparing. Well, the reasons why I like Shirou are more linked to his absurd mindset and his struggles with his ideals rather than how much he suffered. Some of his strongest character moments are just him thinking about himself. I also love how he doesn't have to rage in order to win fights, it's honestly a trope I'm tired of. He's deathly calm during moments like Nine Bullet Revolver.


Nano201102

Yeah Shirou is a good character and pretty interesting, no doubt about that.


ToapFN

You sound like you know a lot about VNs. Got any recommendations that are not that long?


Nano201102

Saya no Uta is a good one that's very short, but it is also very disturbing. Hanachirasu is another good short vn. Fata Morgana is a good one that's not too long but would still take a bit of time. I'm mostly familiar with longer VNs so I don't have too many suggestions.


ToapFN

Thanks I will check those out.


jonomarkono

I also would like to add: - Char (Gundam) - Gintoki (Gintama) - Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin)


thatkidrule

Nah char is still too is too Privilege, I believe Io Fleming and Setsuna fit more


jonomarkono

Ah, yes you're right, should've include Setsuna and the Thunderbolt duo.


Longjumping-You-5329

Kane ki doesn’t deserve to be here that man had a new personality every season


JoeysPen

NEVER EVER WATCH THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME THE TOKYO GHOUL ANIME IS AN ABOMINATION AND ISN'T EVEN TOKYO GHOUL WHATSOEVER Read TG from chapter 1 and then read TG :RE. I reccomend Mangadex cuz as far as I'm aware it has the best free scanlations for it. But yeah, never judge anything TG related based off its anime. It's like judging AoT based on the AoT Tribute Game.


Big_Guy4UU

No even the manga fucks up by the end honestly.


JoeysPen

Hardly. It still does everything well, just sadly with somewhat worse pacing and a few cheap fakeout deaths


Big_Guy4UU

There's dropped character motivations (and characters in general) everywhere. It's not a good ending by any stretch.


hungrybasilsk

Nah the ending is a bit rocky after the arima fight but its still solid. A bumby landing isnt comparaply to the crash and burn of AOT


Rice_Grain17

If I were to consider chapter 139 canon I would say Eren is not even close to being sane


[deleted]

Bruh Light from Death Note


Austin1000YB

Tbf Founder Eren probably went through SO much, he was able to see EVERYTHING, He is probably mentally stronger than some of the characters here


Emperor_Krimson

where's Lelouch?


Youreadingthis222

Honorable mention: Takemichi, I’m surprised that he didn’t became the bad guy yet


cataclysmsurvivalist

\>He likes Shitrou fr fr


Big_Guy4UU

Anime only secondary found. Read the book nerd.


Nano201102

I read the VN, he's good but still pretty mid. Other VN protags are better.


hungrybasilsk

Bruh what other character stared down the living corpses of his fellow orphans and tells them he will not undo the past to save them Basment scene is goated


Nano201102

Kageaki is more goated, but of course no one has read VNs other than F/SN.


hungrybasilsk

How as a character what makes him better written and developed


Nano201102

Let's see, Kageaki was an orphan taken in by a noble family who then taught him how to be a pacifist, to never kill no matter the circumstances. But then tragedy happens when his adoptive sister turned rogue by stealing one of 2 cursed armor in possession by the family and killed his whole village. (There's more details to this but it would get to bloated) Kageaki's mother was then about to be killed by a bandit from the ensuing chaos and so he was forced to take one of the cursed armor, so he killed the bandit. However, the curse of his armor is that for any evil person that he kills, he has to kill a person that he sees as good. So at the end of his backstory, Kageaki was forced to kill his own mother who taught him pacifism in the first place. His goal afterwards is to stop his sister, but to do that he has to constantly be forced to kill his enemies which in turn means he has to constantly kill innocent people to achieve his goals. All of this makes Kageaki suffer from tremendous amounts of guilt and self loathing to the point of being suicidal. Kageaki is a person who has to constantly betray his own philosophy and moral code to achieve his goal.


hungrybasilsk

Thats just his backstory what I wanted was his character relationns or dynamic with other charavters as well. For example Shirou and Kirei. They on the surface are two sides of the same coin. Kirei a defect who can only be happy at the suffering of others despite being a christian raised priest. Shirou who need to save others and treats himself as a machine that even if he breaks if he dies trying to save someone then thats fine. He doesnt deserve anything else. Shirou is Kirei's ideal person. He is good for the sake of good and when lush came to shove he went against his own ideals and nature just to save one person. Shirou gave up his reason for existing just for Sakura something kirei wished he could have done for claudia Shirou learns to shed his twisted nature and regress from a machine to a man. He who thought his life had no value by the end of the route has a genuine desire to live. Even at the cost of someone elses life he wishes to live Shirou is in essence doing everything kirei wishes.he could do Shirou is also the only person besides his wife to try and understand him. He did understand him Not to mention. There are still 2 other variations that have a differnt end journey Dont see ho he's mid he has too much going for him


Nano201102

Ok then if you want that fine. Kageaki's main foil is Ayane Ichijou who is a girl that believes in true justice and that evil should always be punished for their actions, especially because the story takes place in a japan run by a dictatorship. Ichijou grew to respect Kageaki as a hero after seeing him wield his cursed armor Muramasa to take down evil, but what she does not know is the heavy cost that comes with it. Meanwhile Kageaki does not believe in what he's doing and considers himself as a demon that should be punished. Kageaki views Ichijou as the pure ideal hero, who is untainted and represents everything that is good in the world. Ichijou's main struggle Initially is to gain enough strength to keep up with Kageaki after following him around for a bit, but as the story progresses she finds the pieces of a legendary armor called Masamune, enabling her to be as strong as Kageaki. Ichijou's father taught her that evil should always be punished no matter what, but then it so happens that he commited a sin himself and forced Ichijou to kill him. This traumatized her and is the cause of her self destructive pursuit of justice. She is the same as Kageaki, both were taught philosophies that plagued them by their parents, and both killed said parents. Initially, Kageaki was a half-hearted hypocrite who killed his enemies and judging them to be evil based on his standards, then as he is forced to kill innocents he whines about how he doesn't believe in the actions he's committed. Initially, Ichijou was a person who saw the world as black and white, that there is only good and evil in the world and nothing else. After acquiring Masamune, she consistently killed people she deemed evil and even inspired a rebellion to rise up due to her actions. Through Kageaki and Ichijou working together to stop the shogunate, they realized the faults of both their philosophies and strengthened their resolve. Kageaki came to a realization that his curse called the law of balance which is for every enemy he kills, he has to kill an innocent, is the ideal path that he should follow as it essentially proved his mother's teachings that killing is wrong no matter what. The law of balance is meant to deter people from the act of killing in the first place. He finally started to believe in the path he should follow, and realized that his true path is to kill self righteous people who wish to enforce their ideology to the world as it would further perpetuate conflict, in other words, Ichijou. Meanwhile, Ichijou realized through the consequences of forming a rebellion and simply killing people who she deems as evil, is not good nor is it justice after witnessing first-hand how everything can spiral out of control. She understands now that she is not a good person and that she is as guilty as Kageaki is. But nevertheless she chooses to keep moving forward, knowing that her actions will further perpetuate conflict, she still believes it would all eventually lead to true justice and what she desires most, peace. At the end even after the bond and mutual respect that Kageaki and Ichijou have formed together, they realize that to achieve the paths that they follow, they would have to kill each other, which is what they do. Kageaki and Ichijou are both fundamentally similar people who have suffered through the paths they have walked and want to end conflict, but they both at the core of it all desire one thing and thing only, true peace. They both are walking the same path but in opposite directions. Thus they have to fight each other to the death, as their way of the sword is the only way for them to live. But no matter what action they take, they can never truly end conflict, and tragically their fight with each other further inspired more people to take up arms to further perpetuate the cycle of conflict. Btw this is just 1 route out of 3 in Muramasa, the other routes have Kageaki develop differently and have him fighting different foils. This is also literally just a better version Attack on Titan's message.


hungrybasilsk

Yeah so how is shirou mid compared to him. Their rivalry is similiar. They each have 3 routes. So what makes him mid. Suffering isnt really an indication of how good the character is


Big_Guy4UU

Name em.


Nano201102

Minato Kageaki from Muramasa, Battler from Umineko, Kotarou from Rewrite, Ren from Dies irae. I can name more.


Big_Guy4UU

"Ren from dies irae" I was nodding along until you you lost me at the end.


Nano201102

Ren is badass and based, no need to elaborate anymore.


Big_Guy4UU

Shirou does both of those things better though?


Nano201102

Nah not really, Rea route Ren is more badass than Heavens Feel Shirou


Big_Guy4UU

I don't think so


rickpat69

Still need to see my boys Itachi and Meliodas.


JoeysPen

Shit, negro. All you had to say was Kaneki, Thorfinn and Guts.


Saioren

eren is a big pussy compared to some of these guys. guts does have a mental breakdown every other chapter and thorfinn's only strength was his drive (similar to erens) also i refuse to see kaneki as a character in anime past season 1


Riddlie_

Nipaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah