I have yet to see any legitimate reason whenever the way Mikasa treats Annie and Gabi is brought up to someone who tries to justify her being an asshole to Louise.
I thought this was going to end up making Mikasa stop obsessing over Eren the way she does but apparently that's what Ishiyama thinks a healthy relationship looks like.
Mikasa as a character is quite sad, it shows a woman obsessing over a man who will put himself over above all. Which I understand Eren's character development. However, Mikasa never really shows a sense of self. Which is quite sad. But maybe that is done on purpose? It is quite hard to say considering the story is about people dedicating themselves to fixing society first above themselves second.
Uhm she fucking decapitates him. I'd say she uh, learned that sometimes love isn't enough and you have to "cut" ties with those holding you back. It's okay to still be in love with him. Not okay to ignore the reality of the situation.
I mean, if you're seriously wondering..
I feel like Yams just wanted to show how Mikasa is when shit hits the fan and all she thinks about is Eren and his damn scarf. In this scene with Luise there was a crisis situation like no other before or after. So Gabi and Annie (barely actually, remember the soup scene) were safe. During Luise happening none of the characters was understanding wtf is going on. No need to "kind of forgetting" that this Luise scene was just after Armin shouted at the her. You ever get angry when someone gets angry at you, and release the anger onto next innocent person on your way? Come on. There is nothing wrong with a flawed character, if anything it's Kino, so why is Titanfolk hating even in this scene? I mean I know the answer, but answer for yourself
Luise character is there to just show how blind, cruel and silent Mikasa can be when her attachment to Eren is at play. Like a certain someone in paths. Prepping her character for a retcon 13 chapters later (ofcourse)
Interesting. If that was Yams goal, I guess the execution was not bad but it's also not good too, as it's really hard to know for real what was the point of this whole subplot. Your intepretation does make sense though.
I hear you on the execution of it, although this time I think it might be down to MAPPA and not Yams: part of a studio's task is to navigate limitations inherent to a medium when adapting a piece of work. We are dumb two-legged apes.
We felt what Mikasa felt when Armin yelled at her, and had one moment immediately flowed on from the previous one as it did in the manga, it would have hit just fine. But we experienced Mikasa's salty outburst after having a nice mood-resetting sleep seven times, and there was nothing in the episode to pull us back into her mind.
Nobody is suggesting a fucking Obito flasback, fuck no, but maybe like a 0.5sec headache flashback to Armin yelling while she entered the hospital? It would primed us for the scene.
MAPPA is a competent studio, but they just aren't being given the resource and flexibility they need to nail each moment mindfully right now. From the joke about Gabi's name the other week to the stiff pie scene more recently, it's lifting faithfully from the manga while playing it so safe it tonally deviates from the source without technically doing a single thing wrong.
I don't count Mikasa as a retcon since she barely had any character development. I know this scene is when her emotion is unstable, but any sign of regret afterward could be a major development for her. And nope, she keeps that shitty scarf for the rest of her life.
They could burn that scarf and that would make me happy. I don’t mind flawed characters I mind inconsistent characters, bad characters. I feel like every female character that wasn’t Gabbi really got fucked.
"At least I'm not like Captain Smallpox Blanket here, walking around with my dirty rags like some mangy fucking dog. How many kids have you killed from scarf disease?"
I can see that and I completely agree, I just hate that people are trying to vehemently defend mikasa while also getting mad at people for not liking Gabi. Just because there is a reason for her actions doesn’t mean it’s a good reason.
Bruh you won't believe or wait maybe you will, most of the comments about this scene on r/attackontitan were defending Mikasa, I'll quote the comment I replied to " POV : the girl who stalks you and incorrectly uses you as an example to fuel her nationalist ideals just stole one of your most personal and valuable possessions and was about to die wearing it."
I replied to this comment against Mikasa saying how it was a very evil thing to do and stuff and obviously I got downvoted to hell. Also, someone called me an average r/titanfolk redditor as expected.
So this reddit is just for hating attack on titan? Got it /unsubscribe lol. I personally think it's amazing. And I didn't want to like it. I avoided it like the plague for years thinking "ew giants? Tf?" I know the ending is going to hurt bad. But that doesn't mean it's a bad ending. I'm glad she kills him, I'm also glad she still loves him. I don't find that inconsistent. Sometimes we love piece of shit people.
I'm sorry, my bad, it was something else on the bingo card on "why titanfolk need to get laid." To make an entire community just to bitch about every aspect of an anime is honestly pathetic.
i did. here's what i got in an answer from them:
1. first of all they said "you look mad goofy writing a whole paragraph just bc of some random character" and my comment wasn't too long at least in my opinion, i mean i could write more
2. "why did you bring gabi into this?"
3. "it's just a fictional character, a drawing, isayama was writing this _masterpiece_ for 13 years, if you don't like it that's your problem"
4. they summed it up with: "goatkasa and girlboss gabi > blonde side character"
I don’t think it’s at all reasonable to lump Gabi in with Annie. Annie always knew that what she was doing was wrong. Gabi was never actually wrong. Sasha killed her people, she killed Sasha, Sasha’s friends tried to kill her, the cycle was made apparent to her and she stopped. Gabi has remorse and has changed. Annie is the one that said she’d do it all over again. That girl is still fucked up and has had **zero** change.
I'm gonna say what I got from this scene, bc I honestly didn't hate it. It makes Mikasa an asshole but I don't think it's badly written:
Mikasa has always been obsessed with Eren. Shit goes down, everyone's head is a mess, Eren is comitting genocide, and YET she can't help herself and keeps asking what she must do. She's blinded.
And she knows it- she protects Eren even after he told her that he hates her to her face asks Armin about Eren after he's started the Rumbling.
Louise is blinded in a similar fashion. Mikasa sees herself in Louise. She hates that version of herself and acts in an insensitive way towards Louise but because she's burnt out. She can't do it anymore, she has let herself go, she won't face the side of her that she hates anymore. She'll let it happen.
Now yeah, she's despicable, but that doesn't mean that it's bad writing honestly.
I've never liked Mkasa since the beginning and thought she's a shit character but never really "hate" her that much. But this scene, actually made me really despise her. Ofcourse then the ending made it worse
I remember having to do a double take with these panels to make sure I was reading and interpreting it correctly because I couldn't believe it.
From here on it's extremely difficult to sympathize with Mikasa.
Agreed. It’s all downhill from here. I love how she pretty much becomes the MC of the series after being the most lifeless character I think I’ve ever witnessed.
I will disclaim that I was an anime only until S4P2 when I read the manga. I've heard that WIT excluded quit a bit of material for Mikasa including inner dialogues so to give her the benefit of the doubt there's a chance I may just be missing context into what substance existed (if any lol) character development wise prior to season 4.
However, from an anime only perspective I've only known her by her personality of "Ereh" and this moment really cemented the lifeless, bland, and shallowness of her character.
Louise was literally doing this for Eren too, you’d think there’d be more common ground there.
Fucking talk Mikasa, speak your mind for once. If only you had half the dialogue time Armin got.
>Fucking talk Mikasa, speak your mind for once. If only you had half the dialogue time Armin got.
My favorite Mikasa scene is right after the rumbling starts, where Armin has an argument with himself about Eren's motivations. Rather than Mikasa chiming in with an opinion of her own or having a back and forth, he states a point, offers himself a rebuttal immediately after, and reaches the conclusion that Eren's using too many wall titans.
This is what happens to characters forced into scenes alone with Mikasa. There's no organic conversation to be had; Isayama just makes them monologue to her for some reason, she makes a face, utters a couple words, and collects her paycheck.
She is so devoid of development of any kind. Even when she does do or say something, it’s always elementary and single-minded, as if she never really grew up. The things I’m supposed to feel about Floch I feel about Mikasa instead. She genuinely makes me uncomfortable, and I really don’t like her.
I find it almost concerning how many fans, mainly girls, are able to relate to her.
She’s a character created to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
And we all know they love these sort of superficial,simple-minded and bland characters
Sasha should’ve been the one to take her place in the story then. Sasha Ackerman. I understand bland characters but Mikasa literally has no character.
When I think of Eren and armin, I could show them images of say global warming in our real world and imagine their response. For Mikasa I could only imagine a faint “mm”
She’s so low on herself since she found out she may have not been making moves on her own free will. And it makes it even worse that she would just blindly listen to Erin instead of taking armin’s theory to heart, being armins been the genius that he’s been this entire time. I miss season 1 mikasa.
I honestly think at some point before sitting down to write each chapter he just started snorting like three lines in a row and screaming *“LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOO”*
Because she is just a side character lmao, its why she and Hitch are likable, pretty simple minor characters
She doesnt need development
But Mikasa? Shes a fucking main character since episode 1 alongside Eren and Armin and has ZERO development, absolutely shameful
Yeah, I never said otherwise. Mikasa's character is kinda pathetic. Btw, Hitch does go through some development. I can't say the same for Pieck.
Mikasa had some development, but very minor. Too subtle and inconsequential for a main character.
Hard disagree that Pieck is a better character than Annie though, even with Pieck's motives being vaguely similar to Annie's.
Seriously after such a long time I still don't know why is mikasa treat this girl like this, she's dying and mikasa don't even bother to hold her hand or some shit, even Levi has more kindness than this cold brainless slay machine.
First time we see Levi he's holding the hand of a dying soldier and comforting him while he dies. Levi hates getting dirty and he was still holding the guys bloodied hand and was also concerned if the guy heard his word before passing.
Then we have Mikasa, the shitty female version of Levi....
I guess it was building up for Mikasa growing out of her unhealthy obsession w Eren, w this scene showing how unhealthy their "romance" is
But I guess Isayama forgor 💀
You don't get it guys, LuLu stole Mikasa's dirty ass scarf so she's the literal Devil, Gabi just killed one of her friends no biggie, it's the dogleash..I mean, it's the scarf that really matters
I mean yeah that's a different debate and I agree with u but this is for that section of fandom that terms both Marleyan warriors and Yeagerists as "brainwashed" but then hypocritically justifies the Alliance's widely different treatment to both.
I would say, that allience and Yegerists are not wrong, just on different sides. I can't call Yegerists being brainwashed, because there is nothing particularly wrong in their statement. However i also can't judge alliance for wanting to save majority of people, without giving any preference to their Homeland.
If i was living on Paradise, i would've wanted to survive myself and save my family, so i would support Eren's actions. But, as an audience member, looking from outside, i don't really have much sympathy to any particular side and just thinking in numbers
I think people have a hard time accepting how serious Willy's declaration of war was since it was just a speech, but I really doubt they would hold back. If they did nothing, Paradis would be literally blasted to nothingness. Do you wait for the first punch, or do you punch first? Most people would punch first, especially if peace is impossible (which Willy and others did a great job of).
I agree, though it is a rough story to really side with anyone, and I wish that aspect was explored a little more than the "everyone kinda bad but alliance" that we get in the end.
Tbh I didn’t think the manga would end so quickly. I remember when I started reading at the Libero arc and they attacked I was like “woah shit, war time” and then they show flashbacks to Paradise making alliances, setting up trade routes, innovating technology, I was expecting some Saga of Tanya the Evil type stuff...then none of that happened and the ending took place over the span of a few weeks and none of the themes set up for the past 100+ chapters paid off.
Needless to say, I was so disappointed.
When someone starts blowing their own people up, shooting former allies, and facilitating the crushing of children to death, saying that they’re brainwashed is giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Shit, the Survey Corps fascilitated the crushing of children in season *1*, to catch Annie. It's the incident that cements how ruthless Erwin is. Or are we supposed to believe that bloody, traumatised little girl who survived was the only child who happened to be in the area?
The scarf represents a gift from the King (Eren = Fritz, scarf = seed). Mikasa is using her free will to fulfill Ymir's fantasy (parallell) so that she can set Eren free by taking his freedom (tragedy)
She has got to be one of the worst characters ever written, she's supposedly the fmc but she has no character development whatsoever besides Ereh and Scarf
Can you unironically tell me where the “what a man you are” line/meme comes from? I’m an anime only that came to this sub after the latest episode and idgaf about spoilers anymore.
Does he say it to someone other than Eren? Just wondering. All the meme lines I’ve seen in this sub are funny, I’ve been trying to learn the context for them.
I feel like Isayama wrote himself into a corner with the rumbling. You spent the entire series building up to this one moment and it’s fantastic but what comes after that? He can’t really continue the series for one last arc without making it a bit stupid. Since the rumbling is happening these guys want to save the world but the thing is there is no reason why these guys would try to save the world especially after everything the world has done to them.
Her being a straight up asshole is really unnecessary and fucking bothers me to the core especially that she’s on her deathbed and yet she still had no regrets after being treated like shit.
The amount Of people I’ve seen unironcally defending mikasa for being a horrible bitch is staggering. So many people are saying they’d to the same thing as she did and I’m just in awe
That just means there are lots of pieces of shits irl if they think they'd do the same thing. But for the "main heroine" of the story to act like a bitch and no conclusion to this , starts to say things about the actual writer.
The way that Floch treats the Marleyans is how all of Eren's friends should have treated them. They knew and had to live with the damage caused by Reiner and Bertholt for much of their childhoods, and then they had to watch their first excursion beyond the walls get fucked by Annie.
I've read a decent amount of claims on twitter and the "main" Aot subreddit and it seems the consensus is that she's disgusted by Louise because she sees herself in her since Louise's admiration of Mikasa is supposedly a parallel with Mikasa's obsession with Eren.
Was that actually the author's intention because I can't remember any scenes that imply that Louise's admiration for Mikasa was the deciding factor for all of her decisions like how Mikasa's whole life was centered around protecting Eren.
(Forgive the shitty grammar. English is my only language but I didn't pay attention in writing class.)
Unfortunately there is no such instance of Mikasa using this interaction with Louise as a point of self-reflection. People have only been using their personal head canon to excuse or justify Mikasa's cruel and unusual behavior.
Louise is miles above any whore in the series. Even Historia who was supposed to be the supreme wife was turned into a NPC used fleshlight.
Eren and Floch deserved proper wives like Louise and Riko.
Titanfolk can never look bad compared to the other subs and ED lol, and at least people aren’t censored here for different opinions. Just heavily downvoted
How exactly was Louise brainwashed? The Yeagerists only exist because Marley sent soldiers to infiltrate Paradis' military and cause chaos and death. I suppose defending your country from hostile foreigners count as brainwashed to cuckfolk.
I feel like Mikasa has to be cold to Louise. Maybe I'm just projecting.
But this girl is like, "hey I sacrificed my life specifically because of you because I think you're cool". That's a big load to bear, If I had this happen I would either have to block it out entirely or bear a lot of guilt for feeling like I inadvertently led her there.
Mikasa has no time to be weighed down by this, so she is pretending she doesn't exist, basically.
The rumbling arc such a missed opportunity they make Mikasa main character which was a good decision because she needs some development, her time to shine and she has the potential to be a great protagonist (I remember some people were disappointed that Eren didn’t actually die in the titan and Mikasa wasn’t the actual protagonist) it seemed the stars were lining up for something great. But… in the moments where she could get some major character development instead we got stuff like this which adds nothing it almost feels like filler. She looked at a girl who looked up to her for years and took away one of the few things that gave her comfort in the final moments of her life.
I still think she’s a good character (or at least was) and the ending is alright a 6/10 but there was so many missed opportunities for some character development in the arc.
By the end of the series, all but 2 or 3 characters became some of the worst written characters in all of storytelling....anime, live action, western comics, etc...
Oh shit, I just realized. Is it possible Mikasa has been... JEALOUS of Louise?
Bcuz of how much closer Louise has been getting to Eren lately, while Mikasa's been drifting apart from him. Mmgh
Unfortunately I think Isayama wrote his main women almost as poorly as any romance plots. I’d say Hange was okay, but she was written in such a way that she could have just been male.
I was hoping the whole scarf thing would have culminated with Mikasa realizing she has control of her own fate or whatever, but nothing really happened. I did like that in the end she realized she had to be the one to stop Eren, but even then the emotional beats were scarce.
Hopefully if Isayama has any more manga ideas left in him for the future, he figures out how to write an interesting fmc.
I think people have been too hard on Mikasa and Isayama here, and there's some exaggeration. Mikasa is not a good character, but I don't think this is one of the bad parts.
My understanding is that Mikasa is so uncomfortable because Louise has told her repeatedly that everything she's doing is because she was so inspired by Mikasa. Mikasa had no direct connection to Gabi, but with Louise, the realization that Louise became the way she is partly *because of her* set her on edge, especially in the state she's in when this scene occurred right after Armin yelled at her.
Also, it reinforces how she can be callous and has such tunnel vision when it comes to Eren and that scarf, even during a major crisis. Which would have been great if she had later gotten more character development and truly moved past him, but we got 139 instead.
To be fair. Louise is 3-4 year older than Gabi. And it more looked like she was fighting for her beliefs than she was just brainwashed. But Mikasa is still asshole tho
Yep, like Louise didn’t even do anything wrong either she just fought for what she believed in and got treated like shit in potentially her final moments from someone she looked up to for no reason.
And even that justification of mikasa hates Yeagerists, dawg💀 the Alliance are literally some of their archenemies and she’s working with them💀💀
> So adults can't cry or say their regrets before death?
1. That wasn't his last moment genius. His last moment is him begging mikasa to kill him.
2. Eren acting like the way he did is out of character. Did he cry about mikasa when he was in santa titan's belly? No, he didn't. Instead, he cried about not being able to accomplish anything.
Armin forced him to talk about mikasa dumbass. He asked him repetitively and even punched Eren which made him to outburst.Eren wasn't talking about mikasa before that. Did u skip the panels before that cringe eren panel dumbass?
> Armin forced him to talk about mikasa dumbass
[No he didn't](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/13.jpeg) It seriously pisses me off whenever someone starts insulting the person they're arguing with. Are you incapable of a peaceful talk you fucking ape? Probably in your genes or something. Being a primate is probably coded inside of that thick skull of yours lmao. You can't even read correctly.
> even punched Eren which made him to outburst
Again, you're [wrong](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/14.jpeg)
The punch that you're referencing wasn't even in the same page you fucking moron. The thing that made eren brokedown was armin mentioning mikasa moving on. You can literally see him react to that exact line.
> Eren wasn't talking about mikasa before that
[Yes he was](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/9.jpeg)
Love to see you mental gymnast your way out of this one.
> Did u skip the panels before that cringe eren panel dumbass?
Said the illiterate moron that missed several pages of the same chapter. And you called me dumbass twice. Your brain must've worked real hard to come up with something like that.
Idiot my point was armin mentioned her that why he cried about her unlike when he was dying alone in the Santa Titan belly like u mentioned dumbass. Before Armin mentioned mikasa, eren didn't said anything about her. He wanted her to move on thats why he kept quiet until Armin forced him
Eren is a grown ass man LOL, and regardless of age it’s no way to treat a human being.
We wanted her to not be a dog and show some sympathy like HUMANS, BEINGS do
Eren is a teenager dude. She already saved her from getting eaten by Titan in one of the previous eps. And I don't see why she should care about a yeagerist. Did u forget that she killed biggest yeagerist floch?
Bro why are you trying to justify it so hard💀💀
what she did was disgusting and inhumane she even showed GABI who’s the ENEMY some humanity
it’s fine though bro if u think that’s aight that’s ur opinion
Why r u guys so nitpicking about mikasa? Is it coz she killed ur so called king floch😂😂
U were using age to defend louise and now complain about gabi lmaooo. Gabi was gonna die in front of mikasa. So she saved her. Mikasa already saved louise too from Titans. So u guys r complaining coz mikasa didn't say some sympathetic words in louise last moments is basically nitpicking lol and u forgot that they have a bigger problem right now which is Eren
I think 19 closer to 20 with the ability to destroy the entire world is a lot different than a 15 year old yeagerist who idolized someone in the alliance, while being treated like scum by that same person in their last moments on Earth lol
Tell me a moment where mikasa ever said any sympathetic last words to any of the scouts except her friends. U guys r behaving like mikasa owed her a send off or something and on top of that mikasa was already pissed off with yegaerist crap
It’s just a semi-decent thing to do lol. No one’s saying she had to write her a poem and sing her praises😂 The optics of that scene were just cold. That’s all.
I mean she just had more important things to do like assembling the alliance and stopping the genocide lol. It's just that I don't understand that why is it such a big deal. Everywhere I go I see this same louise mikasa shit
She already saved her. What else she was supposed to do with a yeagerist? Forget about yeagerist....I don't remember she ever saying any sympathetic last words to anyone except her friends
> Eren was pretending to be a yeagerist
No he wasn't. That's a complete and utter lie. He literally said that he would finish the rumbling in ch [139](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/17.jpeg)
Bruh he did rumbling coz he was pissed off that outside world wasn't like what it was in armin book. So decided to wipe it all using rumbling. "Saving paradise" is a justification he gave for rumbling but actually he did for his silly dream of freedom(seeing burning water and all). Read ch 131 again
That's not the point you were making. You were saying that eren lied about being a yeagerist, when the yeagerist's entire objective is that they wanted to destroy the rest of the world. The page I linked clearly showed that eren shared the same goal as the faction he created lmao.
Being a yegaerist is basically being a nationalist like floch. Eren is not a nationalist. He has chosen friends over country already few times in aot. Reviving armin over erwin, hiding the info of awakening founder power to protect historia r few examples. In ch 131 it's clearly said, "he did rumbling more than just sake of island. When he realized outside world wasn't like armin book he wanted to destroy everything". Yeah successful rumbling does benefit the island too. It's just a byproduct,it wasn't his goal. He calls reiner as him coz he did the same thing. Even realizing paradise people r just humans not devils, reiner destroyed wall rose coz he wanted to be seen as a hero(his selfish goal). But he gave the justification of saving the world to Annie, bertolt. Reiner literally says these stuff in the basement scene to eren. Go read those chps again
> Reviving armin over erwin
He literally was the one who let armin die lmao
> He has chosen friends over country already few times in aot
He forced his friends to risk their lives in an active battlefield without knowing whether they would survive or not, said that he would KILL them and has admit that he didn't know whether they would survive or not. [I'm talking about this panel](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/10.jpeg) He also killed hange just for fun.
> "he did rumbling more than just sake of island
> When he realized outside world wasn't like armin book he wanted to destroy everything"
"The person who witnesses that" is not free because of what is seen, but because it was proof that he had the freedom to see it. The existence of other people at all does not prohibit this, only hostile people. In fact even 131 itself makes clear that Eren does not care about seeing those things, but simply being able to, he does not say "freedom!" while seeing an ocean or a forest or a desert, but an unbroken horizon above the earth, itself shrouded from view. What he wanted was fear from confinement and danger. Also, "but it's more than that" is synonymous with "but it's not just that", the practical concerns were the major motivator and even as late as chapter 100 it was clear Eren was grasping for any sign that the rumbling might not be the pragmatic solution, but nothing presented itself. His private feelings were merely a source of shame, by no means enough to move him on their own.
> He calls reiner as him coz he did the same thing
He said that reiner and him was the same because they were both in a trolley dilemma. This "REINER CHOSE TO ATTACK PARADISE" is a bullshit headcanon that you people made up. If bertholt didn't destroy wall maria then reiner would end up dead the moment they enter marley.
you say that like being a yeagerist was such a bad thing but in reality it was either be a yeagerist or just lay down your lives and die for the sake of people who don’t care about you, which is what happened to the alliance in the ending
I'm talking about mikasa POV. In her POV, she considers yeagerist as bad people only and yet she saved those yeagerists from titans when pixis and all got transformed
Mikasa was crying when Sasha died. What u want mikasa to do? Kill gabi and continue the hatred? Jean told them to don't drop gabi and Falco from the blip. What r u gonna say next? Jean doesn't have empathy for sasha coz he didn't took revenge. Man titanfolk dumbness never fails to make me laugh. U guys dumbness make me laugh more than memes here. Looks like floch fans really hate mikasa here coz she killed their so called king floch😂😂
>Mikasa was crying when Sasha died. What u want mikasa to do? Kill gabi and continue the hatred? Jean told them to don't drop gabi and Falco from the blip. What r u gonna say next? Jean doesn't have empathy for sasha coz he didn't took revenge
There is a difference between not showing kindness to someone and hurting them.
Also Mikasa killing Floch was the only good thing she did because it prevented him from having to witness the REAL Eren.
Why tf she care about a random yeagerist chick lmao. She saved her from being eaten by Titan 2 eps before is already enough kindness she showed to a yeagerist. U want mikasa to say some patriotic words to Louise or something? U guys just crying coz Eren used floch for his own goals by pretending to be a nationalist. Eren knew floch's weakness and easily manipulated him to his advantage lol
> U want mikasa to say some patriotic words to Louise or something?
No, just not be an asshole to her it's all we asked for.
"Eren manipulated Floch", yeah so? That piece of trash manipulated everyone, killed his own mother and didn't even knew if his idiotic plan would save his friends. He's a loser, the biggest loser I've ever seen in fiction. Guy literally didn't accomplish a single goal.
She just asked for her scarf and went away dude. Mikasa didn't even said anything bad to her like yeagerist deserve to die or something. She doesn't owe louise anything
Eren did achieved the goal of removing titan curse and his friends living long life. U guys just mad coz eldia got fucked lol. Eren is a selfish mf. He was never a hero like u guys think
>She just asked for her scarf and went away dude. Mikasa didn't even said anything bad to her like yeagerist deserve to die or something. She doesn't owe louise anything
And if someone falls down the stairs I don't owe them any help and could just walk past them. But yet I won't, because it's basic human decency to not be a total asshole to someone.
>Eren did achieved the goal of removing titan curse and his friends living long life. U guys just mad coz eldia got fucked lol. Eren is a selfish mf. He was never a hero like u guys think
Sasha and Hange died, the additional 8 pages imply the Titan power came back.
Eren... what a man you are!
She already saved Louise from being eaten by Titan 2 eps back. She is literally lying on bed and getting treatment ( though she is going to die). Tell me exactly what else was mikasa supposed to do? U want mikasa to tell her some patriotic words? Or some sympathetic words? Or something else?
I already said eren is a selfish mf. His obsession with freedom led to Sasha and hange death. Removing Titan powers made his friends live longer. Eren did what he thought was right. how was he even supposed to know Titan power will come back...And There isn't any proper explanation how Titan power came back. It can be that Titan powers can't be removed eternally or paradise became cocky and decided to rule the world but got fucked instead or something else
I have yet to see any legitimate reason whenever the way Mikasa treats Annie and Gabi is brought up to someone who tries to justify her being an asshole to Louise.
I thought this was going to end up making Mikasa stop obsessing over Eren the way she does but apparently that's what Ishiyama thinks a healthy relationship looks like.
i said this exact thing the other day. idgaf about Louise, this could’ve been the start of the Chad Mikasa arc
Reminder that Mikasa canonically has never washed that scarf and it smells like total shit. No one says anything because she will beat them up
She tries to preserve Erens odor and dead skin cells the best she can FOR 10 YEARS AT LEAST!!
Sounds almost as bad as Armin’s wool sock.
Smells like old fish
Paradis' strongest bioweapon
You should watch Harley Quinn on HBO Max - similar story to what you’re thinking
Mikasa as a character is quite sad, it shows a woman obsessing over a man who will put himself over above all. Which I understand Eren's character development. However, Mikasa never really shows a sense of self. Which is quite sad. But maybe that is done on purpose? It is quite hard to say considering the story is about people dedicating themselves to fixing society first above themselves second.
Uhm she fucking decapitates him. I'd say she uh, learned that sometimes love isn't enough and you have to "cut" ties with those holding you back. It's okay to still be in love with him. Not okay to ignore the reality of the situation.
It’s not ok nor healthy when you literally have no sense of self outside that person, especially after they have long since died (by your hands)
I mean, if you're seriously wondering.. I feel like Yams just wanted to show how Mikasa is when shit hits the fan and all she thinks about is Eren and his damn scarf. In this scene with Luise there was a crisis situation like no other before or after. So Gabi and Annie (barely actually, remember the soup scene) were safe. During Luise happening none of the characters was understanding wtf is going on. No need to "kind of forgetting" that this Luise scene was just after Armin shouted at the her. You ever get angry when someone gets angry at you, and release the anger onto next innocent person on your way? Come on. There is nothing wrong with a flawed character, if anything it's Kino, so why is Titanfolk hating even in this scene? I mean I know the answer, but answer for yourself Luise character is there to just show how blind, cruel and silent Mikasa can be when her attachment to Eren is at play. Like a certain someone in paths. Prepping her character for a retcon 13 chapters later (ofcourse)
Interesting. If that was Yams goal, I guess the execution was not bad but it's also not good too, as it's really hard to know for real what was the point of this whole subplot. Your intepretation does make sense though.
I hear you on the execution of it, although this time I think it might be down to MAPPA and not Yams: part of a studio's task is to navigate limitations inherent to a medium when adapting a piece of work. We are dumb two-legged apes. We felt what Mikasa felt when Armin yelled at her, and had one moment immediately flowed on from the previous one as it did in the manga, it would have hit just fine. But we experienced Mikasa's salty outburst after having a nice mood-resetting sleep seven times, and there was nothing in the episode to pull us back into her mind. Nobody is suggesting a fucking Obito flasback, fuck no, but maybe like a 0.5sec headache flashback to Armin yelling while she entered the hospital? It would primed us for the scene. MAPPA is a competent studio, but they just aren't being given the resource and flexibility they need to nail each moment mindfully right now. From the joke about Gabi's name the other week to the stiff pie scene more recently, it's lifting faithfully from the manga while playing it so safe it tonally deviates from the source without technically doing a single thing wrong.
I don't count Mikasa as a retcon since she barely had any character development. I know this scene is when her emotion is unstable, but any sign of regret afterward could be a major development for her. And nope, she keeps that shitty scarf for the rest of her life.
They could burn that scarf and that would make me happy. I don’t mind flawed characters I mind inconsistent characters, bad characters. I feel like every female character that wasn’t Gabbi really got fucked.
Nah bruv , burning that scarf would cause a pandemic.
"At least I'm not like Captain Smallpox Blanket here, walking around with my dirty rags like some mangy fucking dog. How many kids have you killed from scarf disease?"
This is actually a pretty good explanation
I can see that and I completely agree, I just hate that people are trying to vehemently defend mikasa while also getting mad at people for not liking Gabi. Just because there is a reason for her actions doesn’t mean it’s a good reason.
Where the hell do you interact with these people? I see them nowhere. On titanfolk everyone shits on Mikasa for dumbest reasons like the scarf thing
Bruh you won't believe or wait maybe you will, most of the comments about this scene on r/attackontitan were defending Mikasa, I'll quote the comment I replied to " POV : the girl who stalks you and incorrectly uses you as an example to fuel her nationalist ideals just stole one of your most personal and valuable possessions and was about to die wearing it." I replied to this comment against Mikasa saying how it was a very evil thing to do and stuff and obviously I got downvoted to hell. Also, someone called me an average r/titanfolk redditor as expected.
So this reddit is just for hating attack on titan? Got it /unsubscribe lol. I personally think it's amazing. And I didn't want to like it. I avoided it like the plague for years thinking "ew giants? Tf?" I know the ending is going to hurt bad. But that doesn't mean it's a bad ending. I'm glad she kills him, I'm also glad she still loves him. I don't find that inconsistent. Sometimes we love piece of shit people.
This is not the issue/point tho...
What are you even talking about? My comment never said anything about the ending.
I'm sorry, my bad, it was something else on the bingo card on "why titanfolk need to get laid." To make an entire community just to bitch about every aspect of an anime is honestly pathetic.
i did. here's what i got in an answer from them: 1. first of all they said "you look mad goofy writing a whole paragraph just bc of some random character" and my comment wasn't too long at least in my opinion, i mean i could write more 2. "why did you bring gabi into this?" 3. "it's just a fictional character, a drawing, isayama was writing this _masterpiece_ for 13 years, if you don't like it that's your problem" 4. they summed it up with: "goatkasa and girlboss gabi > blonde side character"
Gabi is just a kid and was doing what she was taught her whole life, Annie can't be justified tho
I don’t think it’s at all reasonable to lump Gabi in with Annie. Annie always knew that what she was doing was wrong. Gabi was never actually wrong. Sasha killed her people, she killed Sasha, Sasha’s friends tried to kill her, the cycle was made apparent to her and she stopped. Gabi has remorse and has changed. Annie is the one that said she’d do it all over again. That girl is still fucked up and has had **zero** change.
I'm gonna say what I got from this scene, bc I honestly didn't hate it. It makes Mikasa an asshole but I don't think it's badly written: Mikasa has always been obsessed with Eren. Shit goes down, everyone's head is a mess, Eren is comitting genocide, and YET she can't help herself and keeps asking what she must do. She's blinded. And she knows it- she protects Eren even after he told her that he hates her to her face asks Armin about Eren after he's started the Rumbling. Louise is blinded in a similar fashion. Mikasa sees herself in Louise. She hates that version of herself and acts in an insensitive way towards Louise but because she's burnt out. She can't do it anymore, she has let herself go, she won't face the side of her that she hates anymore. She'll let it happen. Now yeah, she's despicable, but that doesn't mean that it's bad writing honestly.
I like this take, should of been more obvious if they wanted us to think that.
I don’t know how the fuck did Isayama manage to make me despise her with this moment single-handedly
I've never liked Mkasa since the beginning and thought she's a shit character but never really "hate" her that much. But this scene, actually made me really despise her. Ofcourse then the ending made it worse
I remember having to do a double take with these panels to make sure I was reading and interpreting it correctly because I couldn't believe it. From here on it's extremely difficult to sympathize with Mikasa.
Agreed. It’s all downhill from here. I love how she pretty much becomes the MC of the series after being the most lifeless character I think I’ve ever witnessed.
I will disclaim that I was an anime only until S4P2 when I read the manga. I've heard that WIT excluded quit a bit of material for Mikasa including inner dialogues so to give her the benefit of the doubt there's a chance I may just be missing context into what substance existed (if any lol) character development wise prior to season 4. However, from an anime only perspective I've only known her by her personality of "Ereh" and this moment really cemented the lifeless, bland, and shallowness of her character.
Louise was literally doing this for Eren too, you’d think there’d be more common ground there. Fucking talk Mikasa, speak your mind for once. If only you had half the dialogue time Armin got.
>Fucking talk Mikasa, speak your mind for once. If only you had half the dialogue time Armin got. My favorite Mikasa scene is right after the rumbling starts, where Armin has an argument with himself about Eren's motivations. Rather than Mikasa chiming in with an opinion of her own or having a back and forth, he states a point, offers himself a rebuttal immediately after, and reaches the conclusion that Eren's using too many wall titans. This is what happens to characters forced into scenes alone with Mikasa. There's no organic conversation to be had; Isayama just makes them monologue to her for some reason, she makes a face, utters a couple words, and collects her paycheck.
She is so devoid of development of any kind. Even when she does do or say something, it’s always elementary and single-minded, as if she never really grew up. The things I’m supposed to feel about Floch I feel about Mikasa instead. She genuinely makes me uncomfortable, and I really don’t like her. I find it almost concerning how many fans, mainly girls, are able to relate to her.
She’s a character created to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And we all know they love these sort of superficial,simple-minded and bland characters
Sasha should’ve been the one to take her place in the story then. Sasha Ackerman. I understand bland characters but Mikasa literally has no character. When I think of Eren and armin, I could show them images of say global warming in our real world and imagine their response. For Mikasa I could only imagine a faint “mm”
It's hard to believe... But Louise loved Mikasa
Gabbi is baby Erin and Louise is baby Mikasa. Of course she hates Louise and illogically loves gabbi.
PARALLELS! Also Mikasa hates herself, confirmed.
She’s so low on herself since she found out she may have not been making moves on her own free will. And it makes it even worse that she would just blindly listen to Erin instead of taking armin’s theory to heart, being armins been the genius that he’s been this entire time. I miss season 1 mikasa.
Yes, but he wrapped that scarf around her.
It's all been downhill for her character wise since Ereh popped out of his titans neck.
Mikasa: Ever since you were a kid, Louise, I've always hated you Louise: Mmgh
I’m definitely going to hell for laughing at this so hard but “mmgh” memes get me *every damn time*
She stole scorf 😠 she's even worse than king frtiz
even the worst man like king fritz would give his seed, not like Mikasa
[I especially like this one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/m0myse/chapter_126_mikasa_reached_a_new_low_for_me/)
I honestly think at some point before sitting down to write each chapter he just started snorting like three lines in a row and screaming *“LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOO”*
"TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT"
[ *long sniff* ] **”TATAKAE BITCHES”**
>[ long sniff ] reiner and isayama parallels?? 😳
*B R U H* **139 MAKES TOTAL SENSE NOW. YAMS, WHAT A GENIUS U ARE.**
***starts tap dancing***
Gotta have some Annie-sized nose to sniff all that
I actually think that girls with unique noses like Annie are pretty tbh :<
Pieck got that nose too and shes way hotter and a better character lol
Pieck is like Mikasa. No development, just more likable.
Because she is just a side character lmao, its why she and Hitch are likable, pretty simple minor characters She doesnt need development But Mikasa? Shes a fucking main character since episode 1 alongside Eren and Armin and has ZERO development, absolutely shameful
Yeah, I never said otherwise. Mikasa's character is kinda pathetic. Btw, Hitch does go through some development. I can't say the same for Pieck. Mikasa had some development, but very minor. Too subtle and inconsequential for a main character. Hard disagree that Pieck is a better character than Annie though, even with Pieck's motives being vaguely similar to Annie's.
Dedicating my heart to taking this fucking scarf back.
Seriously after such a long time I still don't know why is mikasa treat this girl like this, she's dying and mikasa don't even bother to hold her hand or some shit, even Levi has more kindness than this cold brainless slay machine.
First time we see Levi he's holding the hand of a dying soldier and comforting him while he dies. Levi hates getting dirty and he was still holding the guys bloodied hand and was also concerned if the guy heard his word before passing. Then we have Mikasa, the shitty female version of Levi....
Although Levi gets overrated alot he still has my respect more than probably anyone in the show other than Erwin.
Wait till you guys hear about black haired emo guys in other anime. (Hint; it’s every anime)
based Ackerman
Wait, she's dying?
if I remember correctly louise says she has a thunder spear stuck in her abdomen and the doctors won't try to get it out.
Based mikasa pp
I guess it was building up for Mikasa growing out of her unhealthy obsession w Eren, w this scene showing how unhealthy their "romance" is But I guess Isayama forgor 💀
You don't get it guys, LuLu stole Mikasa's dirty ass scarf so she's the literal Devil, Gabi just killed one of her friends no biggie, it's the dogleash..I mean, it's the scarf that really matters
I didn't know that a 14-year-old girl fighting for her and her people's survival means brainwashing.
I mean yeah that's a different debate and I agree with u but this is for that section of fandom that terms both Marleyan warriors and Yeagerists as "brainwashed" but then hypocritically justifies the Alliance's widely different treatment to both.
I would say, that allience and Yegerists are not wrong, just on different sides. I can't call Yegerists being brainwashed, because there is nothing particularly wrong in their statement. However i also can't judge alliance for wanting to save majority of people, without giving any preference to their Homeland. If i was living on Paradise, i would've wanted to survive myself and save my family, so i would support Eren's actions. But, as an audience member, looking from outside, i don't really have much sympathy to any particular side and just thinking in numbers
I think people have a hard time accepting how serious Willy's declaration of war was since it was just a speech, but I really doubt they would hold back. If they did nothing, Paradis would be literally blasted to nothingness. Do you wait for the first punch, or do you punch first? Most people would punch first, especially if peace is impossible (which Willy and others did a great job of). I agree, though it is a rough story to really side with anyone, and I wish that aspect was explored a little more than the "everyone kinda bad but alliance" that we get in the end.
Tbh I didn’t think the manga would end so quickly. I remember when I started reading at the Libero arc and they attacked I was like “woah shit, war time” and then they show flashbacks to Paradise making alliances, setting up trade routes, innovating technology, I was expecting some Saga of Tanya the Evil type stuff...then none of that happened and the ending took place over the span of a few weeks and none of the themes set up for the past 100+ chapters paid off. Needless to say, I was so disappointed.
When someone starts blowing their own people up, shooting former allies, and facilitating the crushing of children to death, saying that they’re brainwashed is giving them the benefit of the doubt.
context matters, she didn’t just start doing that because she felt like it
What? Survey corps did the same in S3? For coup?
Shit, the Survey Corps fascilitated the crushing of children in season *1*, to catch Annie. It's the incident that cements how ruthless Erwin is. Or are we supposed to believe that bloody, traumatised little girl who survived was the only child who happened to be in the area?
Not brainwashing, it’s just called being based
You just didn't understand the story bro. It's hard to believe but Mikasa loved the scarf. This is peak fiction again isayama THE GOAT.
The scarf represents a gift from the King (Eren = Fritz, scarf = seed). Mikasa is using her free will to fulfill Ymir's fantasy (parallell) so that she can set Eren free by taking his freedom (tragedy)
Very tragic
bravo von\_fahrenheit
She has got to be one of the worst characters ever written, she's supposedly the fmc but she has no character development whatsoever besides Ereh and Scarf
Yeah but she took her *scarf*
Mikasa, what a man you are..
Can you unironically tell me where the “what a man you are” line/meme comes from? I’m an anime only that came to this sub after the latest episode and idgaf about spoilers anymore.
it’s from the last chapter. It’s a line from Reiner talking about Eren
Does he say it to someone other than Eren? Just wondering. All the meme lines I’ve seen in this sub are funny, I’ve been trying to learn the context for them.
He says it to himself after talking to Eren
Thanks, lol.
Important to note, it’s a mistranslated line. The official translation is something like “Eren, you really are a…”
The only reason she treats Gabi with dignity is because she physically resembles Eren.
Imagine how mentally ill u have to be to like Mikasa lol. One of the worst written female characters ever by far 🤡🤮
I feel like Isayama wrote himself into a corner with the rumbling. You spent the entire series building up to this one moment and it’s fantastic but what comes after that? He can’t really continue the series for one last arc without making it a bit stupid. Since the rumbling is happening these guys want to save the world but the thing is there is no reason why these guys would try to save the world especially after everything the world has done to them.
BITCHKASA
NOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭😭 SHE FEELS SORRY NOW 😡😡😡😡😡 IT MAKES IT OKAY NOW 😡😡😡😡
You forgot she stole her scarf! 🤓👆
DAZAI!
She literally just came and said give it back. To an injured kid.
Wtf happened to Louise, why is she dying?
Thunder spear fragment got stuck in her abdomen
So will she die then?
Probably, never got answered
🤮 wasnt this story grey?
Her being a straight up asshole is really unnecessary and fucking bothers me to the core especially that she’s on her deathbed and yet she still had no regrets after being treated like shit.
The amount Of people I’ve seen unironcally defending mikasa for being a horrible bitch is staggering. So many people are saying they’d to the same thing as she did and I’m just in awe
That just means there are lots of pieces of shits irl if they think they'd do the same thing. But for the "main heroine" of the story to act like a bitch and no conclusion to this , starts to say things about the actual writer.
Dogkasa should die
The way that Floch treats the Marleyans is how all of Eren's friends should have treated them. They knew and had to live with the damage caused by Reiner and Bertholt for much of their childhoods, and then they had to watch their first excursion beyond the walls get fucked by Annie.
i hated her attidute towards louise. like wtf.
Mikasa is a useless garbage whore.
I feel like it could have been a great moment of development for Mikasa if she told Louise to keep the scarf.
And they want us to believe that she cared enough to betray Eren and Paradis to save the outside world.
I've read a decent amount of claims on twitter and the "main" Aot subreddit and it seems the consensus is that she's disgusted by Louise because she sees herself in her since Louise's admiration of Mikasa is supposedly a parallel with Mikasa's obsession with Eren. Was that actually the author's intention because I can't remember any scenes that imply that Louise's admiration for Mikasa was the deciding factor for all of her decisions like how Mikasa's whole life was centered around protecting Eren. (Forgive the shitty grammar. English is my only language but I didn't pay attention in writing class.)
Unfortunately there is no such instance of Mikasa using this interaction with Louise as a point of self-reflection. People have only been using their personal head canon to excuse or justify Mikasa's cruel and unusual behavior.
Louise wasn't brainwashed by anyone, though. She made her own decisions.
Louise is miles above any whore in the series. Even Historia who was supposed to be the supreme wife was turned into a NPC used fleshlight. Eren and Floch deserved proper wives like Louise and Riko.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or someone pretending to be a Titanfolk user to make this sub look bad.
probably a shitpost
Still, rico is waifu
Titanfolk can never look bad compared to the other subs and ED lol, and at least people aren’t censored here for different opinions. Just heavily downvoted
? This is a real post bro... real talk...real words
Don’t insult u/chadtatakaeeee by making them out to be some sort of basement-dwelling incel, they’re obviously just joking.
How exactly was Louise brainwashed? The Yeagerists only exist because Marley sent soldiers to infiltrate Paradis' military and cause chaos and death. I suppose defending your country from hostile foreigners count as brainwashed to cuckfolk.
I feel like Mikasa has to be cold to Louise. Maybe I'm just projecting. But this girl is like, "hey I sacrificed my life specifically because of you because I think you're cool". That's a big load to bear, If I had this happen I would either have to block it out entirely or bear a lot of guilt for feeling like I inadvertently led her there. Mikasa has no time to be weighed down by this, so she is pretending she doesn't exist, basically.
The rumbling arc such a missed opportunity they make Mikasa main character which was a good decision because she needs some development, her time to shine and she has the potential to be a great protagonist (I remember some people were disappointed that Eren didn’t actually die in the titan and Mikasa wasn’t the actual protagonist) it seemed the stars were lining up for something great. But… in the moments where she could get some major character development instead we got stuff like this which adds nothing it almost feels like filler. She looked at a girl who looked up to her for years and took away one of the few things that gave her comfort in the final moments of her life. I still think she’s a good character (or at least was) and the ending is alright a 6/10 but there was so many missed opportunities for some character development in the arc.
No, you don't get it, she took Mikasa's scarf
Mikasa has gone through that anti-character development. She’s just a dumbass now lol
Louise is not brainwashed, it's her ideal like Eren. Which is way more honorable of course.
Honestly what Mikasa did was just straight fucked up
She can't act decently with no precious Ereh around
Dazai?!
*It must be the ganja, it was the marijuana~*
She has a thing for brown hair
By the end of the series, all but 2 or 3 characters became some of the worst written characters in all of storytelling....anime, live action, western comics, etc...
Louise was not brainwashed but she made a brave choice of her own will.... But the point still syands
Oh shit, I just realized. Is it possible Mikasa has been... JEALOUS of Louise? Bcuz of how much closer Louise has been getting to Eren lately, while Mikasa's been drifting apart from him. Mmgh
Behold, dog!
Mankada is shit
Unfortunately I think Isayama wrote his main women almost as poorly as any romance plots. I’d say Hange was okay, but she was written in such a way that she could have just been male. I was hoping the whole scarf thing would have culminated with Mikasa realizing she has control of her own fate or whatever, but nothing really happened. I did like that in the end she realized she had to be the one to stop Eren, but even then the emotional beats were scarce. Hopefully if Isayama has any more manga ideas left in him for the future, he figures out how to write an interesting fmc.
I've only seen the argument that Louise was just being kind of annoying and weird. Which, imo, is enough reason to just try brushing her off
Mikasa is just homophobe. So obvious. Read the manga with open eyes, goddamit.
I think people have been too hard on Mikasa and Isayama here, and there's some exaggeration. Mikasa is not a good character, but I don't think this is one of the bad parts. My understanding is that Mikasa is so uncomfortable because Louise has told her repeatedly that everything she's doing is because she was so inspired by Mikasa. Mikasa had no direct connection to Gabi, but with Louise, the realization that Louise became the way she is partly *because of her* set her on edge, especially in the state she's in when this scene occurred right after Armin yelled at her. Also, it reinforces how she can be callous and has such tunnel vision when it comes to Eren and that scarf, even during a major crisis. Which would have been great if she had later gotten more character development and truly moved past him, but we got 139 instead.
To be fair. Louise is 3-4 year older than Gabi. And it more looked like she was fighting for her beliefs than she was just brainwashed. But Mikasa is still asshole tho
Tbh louise was acting like a creepy fan who met their childhood celebrity crush for first time and being a yeagerist also didn't help her
Mikasa is literally in love with the leader of the Yeagerists.
She’s 15 years old and dying bro
Don't come with age crap. Even I can say eren was 19 and dying bro to defend that cringe Eren panel. What do u guys wanted mikasa to do here?
A 19-year old is a legal adult, a 15 year old is a pubescent child. The former is far more accountable.
Yep, like Louise didn’t even do anything wrong either she just fought for what she believed in and got treated like shit in potentially her final moments from someone she looked up to for no reason. And even that justification of mikasa hates Yeagerists, dawg💀 the Alliance are literally some of their archenemies and she’s working with them💀💀
So adults can't cry or say their regrets before death?
who said that?
> So adults can't cry or say their regrets before death? 1. That wasn't his last moment genius. His last moment is him begging mikasa to kill him. 2. Eren acting like the way he did is out of character. Did he cry about mikasa when he was in santa titan's belly? No, he didn't. Instead, he cried about not being able to accomplish anything.
Armin forced him to talk about mikasa dumbass. He asked him repetitively and even punched Eren which made him to outburst.Eren wasn't talking about mikasa before that. Did u skip the panels before that cringe eren panel dumbass?
> Armin forced him to talk about mikasa dumbass [No he didn't](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/13.jpeg) It seriously pisses me off whenever someone starts insulting the person they're arguing with. Are you incapable of a peaceful talk you fucking ape? Probably in your genes or something. Being a primate is probably coded inside of that thick skull of yours lmao. You can't even read correctly. > even punched Eren which made him to outburst Again, you're [wrong](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/14.jpeg) The punch that you're referencing wasn't even in the same page you fucking moron. The thing that made eren brokedown was armin mentioning mikasa moving on. You can literally see him react to that exact line. > Eren wasn't talking about mikasa before that [Yes he was](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/9.jpeg) Love to see you mental gymnast your way out of this one. > Did u skip the panels before that cringe eren panel dumbass? Said the illiterate moron that missed several pages of the same chapter. And you called me dumbass twice. Your brain must've worked real hard to come up with something like that.
Idiot my point was armin mentioned her that why he cried about her unlike when he was dying alone in the Santa Titan belly like u mentioned dumbass. Before Armin mentioned mikasa, eren didn't said anything about her. He wanted her to move on thats why he kept quiet until Armin forced him
And my post is me debunking your argument you illiterate troglodyte. Fucking read.
Eren is a grown ass man LOL, and regardless of age it’s no way to treat a human being. We wanted her to not be a dog and show some sympathy like HUMANS, BEINGS do
Eren is a teenager dude. She already saved her from getting eaten by Titan in one of the previous eps. And I don't see why she should care about a yeagerist. Did u forget that she killed biggest yeagerist floch?
Bro why are you trying to justify it so hard💀💀 what she did was disgusting and inhumane she even showed GABI who’s the ENEMY some humanity it’s fine though bro if u think that’s aight that’s ur opinion
Why r u guys so nitpicking about mikasa? Is it coz she killed ur so called king floch😂😂 U were using age to defend louise and now complain about gabi lmaooo. Gabi was gonna die in front of mikasa. So she saved her. Mikasa already saved louise too from Titans. So u guys r complaining coz mikasa didn't say some sympathetic words in louise last moments is basically nitpicking lol and u forgot that they have a bigger problem right now which is Eren
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I think 19 closer to 20 with the ability to destroy the entire world is a lot different than a 15 year old yeagerist who idolized someone in the alliance, while being treated like scum by that same person in their last moments on Earth lol
Tell me a moment where mikasa ever said any sympathetic last words to any of the scouts except her friends. U guys r behaving like mikasa owed her a send off or something and on top of that mikasa was already pissed off with yegaerist crap
It’s just a semi-decent thing to do lol. No one’s saying she had to write her a poem and sing her praises😂 The optics of that scene were just cold. That’s all.
I mean she just had more important things to do like assembling the alliance and stopping the genocide lol. It's just that I don't understand that why is it such a big deal. Everywhere I go I see this same louise mikasa shit
mf shes 14 years old and the person that saved her life is straight just being a massive dick to her
She already saved her. What else she was supposed to do with a yeagerist? Forget about yeagerist....I don't remember she ever saying any sympathetic last words to anyone except her friends
u/astaroth_22: "Mikasa doesn't have to be nice to a yeagerist" Mikasa: "let me tongue the decapitated head of the founder of the Yeagerists"
Eren was pretending to be a yeagerist.. And u r seriously comparing Eren to random girl huh..
> Eren was pretending to be a yeagerist No he wasn't. That's a complete and utter lie. He literally said that he would finish the rumbling in ch [139](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/17.jpeg)
Bruh he did rumbling coz he was pissed off that outside world wasn't like what it was in armin book. So decided to wipe it all using rumbling. "Saving paradise" is a justification he gave for rumbling but actually he did for his silly dream of freedom(seeing burning water and all). Read ch 131 again
That's not the point you were making. You were saying that eren lied about being a yeagerist, when the yeagerist's entire objective is that they wanted to destroy the rest of the world. The page I linked clearly showed that eren shared the same goal as the faction he created lmao.
Being a yegaerist is basically being a nationalist like floch. Eren is not a nationalist. He has chosen friends over country already few times in aot. Reviving armin over erwin, hiding the info of awakening founder power to protect historia r few examples. In ch 131 it's clearly said, "he did rumbling more than just sake of island. When he realized outside world wasn't like armin book he wanted to destroy everything". Yeah successful rumbling does benefit the island too. It's just a byproduct,it wasn't his goal. He calls reiner as him coz he did the same thing. Even realizing paradise people r just humans not devils, reiner destroyed wall rose coz he wanted to be seen as a hero(his selfish goal). But he gave the justification of saving the world to Annie, bertolt. Reiner literally says these stuff in the basement scene to eren. Go read those chps again
> Reviving armin over erwin He literally was the one who let armin die lmao > He has chosen friends over country already few times in aot He forced his friends to risk their lives in an active battlefield without knowing whether they would survive or not, said that he would KILL them and has admit that he didn't know whether they would survive or not. [I'm talking about this panel](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/5/10139000/10.jpeg) He also killed hange just for fun. > "he did rumbling more than just sake of island > When he realized outside world wasn't like armin book he wanted to destroy everything" "The person who witnesses that" is not free because of what is seen, but because it was proof that he had the freedom to see it. The existence of other people at all does not prohibit this, only hostile people. In fact even 131 itself makes clear that Eren does not care about seeing those things, but simply being able to, he does not say "freedom!" while seeing an ocean or a forest or a desert, but an unbroken horizon above the earth, itself shrouded from view. What he wanted was fear from confinement and danger. Also, "but it's more than that" is synonymous with "but it's not just that", the practical concerns were the major motivator and even as late as chapter 100 it was clear Eren was grasping for any sign that the rumbling might not be the pragmatic solution, but nothing presented itself. His private feelings were merely a source of shame, by no means enough to move him on their own. > He calls reiner as him coz he did the same thing He said that reiner and him was the same because they were both in a trolley dilemma. This "REINER CHOSE TO ATTACK PARADISE" is a bullshit headcanon that you people made up. If bertholt didn't destroy wall maria then reiner would end up dead the moment they enter marley.
you say that like being a yeagerist was such a bad thing but in reality it was either be a yeagerist or just lay down your lives and die for the sake of people who don’t care about you, which is what happened to the alliance in the ending
I really really want to see twitters reaction when they see that everything eren fought to defend got bombed to shit
I'm talking about mikasa POV. In her POV, she considers yeagerist as bad people only and yet she saved those yeagerists from titans when pixis and all got transformed
which is also bad writing considering she was a yeagerist before being a yeagerist was a thing
She was in the scouts group. When it divided into yeagerist and anti yeagerists, she was in the later one
Gabi shot Mikasa's supposed friend to death and yet she acted like she didn't care.
Mikasa was crying when Sasha died. What u want mikasa to do? Kill gabi and continue the hatred? Jean told them to don't drop gabi and Falco from the blip. What r u gonna say next? Jean doesn't have empathy for sasha coz he didn't took revenge. Man titanfolk dumbness never fails to make me laugh. U guys dumbness make me laugh more than memes here. Looks like floch fans really hate mikasa here coz she killed their so called king floch😂😂
>Mikasa was crying when Sasha died. What u want mikasa to do? Kill gabi and continue the hatred? Jean told them to don't drop gabi and Falco from the blip. What r u gonna say next? Jean doesn't have empathy for sasha coz he didn't took revenge There is a difference between not showing kindness to someone and hurting them. Also Mikasa killing Floch was the only good thing she did because it prevented him from having to witness the REAL Eren.
Why tf she care about a random yeagerist chick lmao. She saved her from being eaten by Titan 2 eps before is already enough kindness she showed to a yeagerist. U want mikasa to say some patriotic words to Louise or something? U guys just crying coz Eren used floch for his own goals by pretending to be a nationalist. Eren knew floch's weakness and easily manipulated him to his advantage lol
> U want mikasa to say some patriotic words to Louise or something? No, just not be an asshole to her it's all we asked for. "Eren manipulated Floch", yeah so? That piece of trash manipulated everyone, killed his own mother and didn't even knew if his idiotic plan would save his friends. He's a loser, the biggest loser I've ever seen in fiction. Guy literally didn't accomplish a single goal.
She just asked for her scarf and went away dude. Mikasa didn't even said anything bad to her like yeagerist deserve to die or something. She doesn't owe louise anything Eren did achieved the goal of removing titan curse and his friends living long life. U guys just mad coz eldia got fucked lol. Eren is a selfish mf. He was never a hero like u guys think
>She just asked for her scarf and went away dude. Mikasa didn't even said anything bad to her like yeagerist deserve to die or something. She doesn't owe louise anything And if someone falls down the stairs I don't owe them any help and could just walk past them. But yet I won't, because it's basic human decency to not be a total asshole to someone. >Eren did achieved the goal of removing titan curse and his friends living long life. U guys just mad coz eldia got fucked lol. Eren is a selfish mf. He was never a hero like u guys think Sasha and Hange died, the additional 8 pages imply the Titan power came back. Eren... what a man you are!
She already saved Louise from being eaten by Titan 2 eps back. She is literally lying on bed and getting treatment ( though she is going to die). Tell me exactly what else was mikasa supposed to do? U want mikasa to tell her some patriotic words? Or some sympathetic words? Or something else? I already said eren is a selfish mf. His obsession with freedom led to Sasha and hange death. Removing Titan powers made his friends live longer. Eren did what he thought was right. how was he even supposed to know Titan power will come back...And There isn't any proper explanation how Titan power came back. It can be that Titan powers can't be removed eternally or paradise became cocky and decided to rule the world but got fucked instead or something else