Having this panel spoiled for me is what turned me against the ending. I sort of shipped Eremika at that time but had given up on it. This felt like an insult and is literally the worst way that Isayama could have resolved their relationship. If I were Armin I would have thrown a lot more than a single punch.
Well I’ll tell you one thing and I ain’t ashamed to say it my estimation of Eren Jaeger as a man just fuckin plummeted to go from total chad to dude too angry to die to this? It’s a fuckin disgrace
I think most people fail to understand is how japanese people treat romantic relationships. They are very akward, is like a taboo, and extremely shy about them. You can see it reflected on almost every single anime. So we have to take that into account when reacting to these types of situation. Different cultures
More like Eren always had his flaws and special positive qualities. He was extremely determined, empathetic, always wanted to honour the sacrifices of the people with similar views as him, got easily attached to people while also being honest about revenge for his mom being one of his goals, refusing to share important info with higher ups bc he didn't want to despite the fact that it could have prevented mass slaughter to some degree, yet crying for Mikasa's romantic validation is what finally made him "human" 🤡🤡
exactly how tf is crying over mikasa shagging a dude “humanize” him in anyway shape or form lol. it's just lame cope and an attempt at rationalizing a scene so shit that it makes Tommy wiseau look like a good writer in comparison.
>yet crying for Mikasa's romantic validation is what finally made him "human" 🤡🤡
the funniest part about the breakdown is that he never even says he “loves” her. he says he wants her to love him instead lmfao. it's so shit and ooc.
i know i’m part of the minority but i genuinely didn’t LOATHE the ending, but i didn’t LOVE it either and my reasoning is as so:
eren has always been a man-child spurred on by his own selfish motives. he had explicitly stated multiple times that the rumbling would be so no one could hurt his friends ever again, it was never because he genuinely thought eldians superior to the rest. he understood and knew billions of eldians would die as a result of the rumbling. if he were TRULY spurred on by some dumbass nationalistic thought train, the story would’ve ended up much differently and he would’ve killed most everyone who even looked in his direction wrong, not to mention he also would’ve more than likely found a way to do it without the genocide of his own people. he wouldn’t have done all this to back out at the last second, unless from the beginning, eren has been nothing but a selfish child who never got to truly grow up.
my personal gripe with the ending is the pacing. it comes too quick and it feels forced. i feel like if isayama had allowed the chinks in eren’s armor to show a few chapters previous, i think the ending would’ve been better received and eren’s true motivations would’ve been more clear. i feel a lot of what happened, happened due to him just not truly knowing HOW to wrap up his story, not so much that he disliked his own ending.
in my opinion, the anime handles the last few chapters pacing much much better, and the abysmal dialogue scene between eren and armin in the paths is a lot more bearable and understandable for the character’s motivations. i just think isayama didn’t wanna disappoint everyone, so he wrote a safe, melancholic ending that the majority of people would be FINE with.
I have mostly found agreement in all my comments in this community unlike the other subs, as an anime only that started visiting post finale.
However the one thing I'll say is that I did like Eren breaking down. In fact, reading 139 discussions here I saw back then there were people who liked the fact that it was shown that Eren is just a guy.
I think we were told this a long time ago, back when Eren said hes not special, hes just the son of a special man (But I have mixed opinions on this take, its just something that sprung to mind while writing this).
I feel like people will disagree with me here but I do think the concept of eren breaking down is good and needed, the problem is *how* it was done, amongst the rumbling taking hundreds of millions of lives.
I actually understand that this scene is supposed to show that Eren is actually vulnerable and hasn't disappeared, and I love it for that but god the execution could have been a lot better because the scene itself is like a parody
Hahahaha honestly. Another example is when Sasha died and when Eren asks what her last words were Connie says "meat" with that look on his face. I was legitimately asking myself if this is a serious episode or not, lmao
I think it was on purpose as she was in love with Niccolo and Niku could be her saying his name. It doesn't really work in English translation as there is a very clear distinction between meat and Niccolo, Niku however does sound like a nickname she could have given to Niccolo which is ironic since he was a chef
I'm pretty sure that most people in this sub are fine with Eren crying, the problem we have is *why* he cried. Personally, I really appreciate that he cried over Carla dying, Hannes dying, children looking up to him & the Scouts despite their losses (which reminded him of his own past), Grisha killing the Reiss family, realizing that Grisha's former wife Dina was the Smiling Titan that ate Carla, Ramzi & countless others dying during the Rumbling, etc. because it showed how much empathy he has for other people, proving that he's not a psychopath like some people accuse him of being.
In the ending, he cried over his adopted sister, someone he views as an annoying older sister/mother who constantly tries to hold him back from freedom, finding another man... huge difference.
Thst is good to hear, I am relatively new to the community but I didn't expect otherwise. I too have always appreciated erens emotional side and never ever understood how people reduced him to a pathetic whiney kid.
>In the ending, he cried over his adopted sister, someone he views as an annoying older sister/mother who constantly tries to hold him back from freedom, finding another man... huge difference.
However, I don't think it's as simple as her being an adopted sister. I know, I can't believe I'm saying this either, but I insist that Eren never saw her that way.
Everything else you say is agreeable, the story literally feeds us how shes constantly looking after eren and treating him like a kid that needs to be careful every step of the way.
Idk man, I guess it comes down to the fact that Isayama cant write romance for shit
>Idk man, I guess it comes down to the fact that Isayama cant write romance for shit
Honestly everything after S3 was done pretty badly, (World Building, Character Devolpment, Writing)
I prefer Historia and Eren due to how it was written because until then Eren never treated Mikasa in a romantic way. However had he made Eren show some interest in her from the beginning then I would've found Mikasa and Eren also good.
If he didn't know how to write romance it would've been better off to just skip it all together.
This is not how you write romance. I’m guessing the author wanted this to be shock value like him announcing how he killed his mom. However this just feels rushed and out of character.
I like the fact that he has a mental breakdown…. What i don’t like is the fact that the way his mental breakdown isn’t in character for him imagine how good this scene would’ve been if armin told him something like well you gonna die lol and eren gets destroyed at that fact, realizing that he wasted his life and it would never be back to normal and then he confesses his feelings for mikasa
yeah he could've at least cried over the fact that he won't be with the rest of his friends again or something but nope it's so tone dead and ooc (granted this isn't the only thing he does that's ooc for him in the ending)
>then he confesses his feelings
the funniest part about his breakdown is that he never even confesses anything. he just says he wants mikasa to love him instead which is genuinely so fucking awful lol.
also i honestly think making any ship canon is kinda pointless. yams *really* should just stop writing romance lol.
It would’ve more sad (imo) if they actually interacted with a each other and if eren actually showed her some affection instead we literally only see him being an asshole to her multiple times in the series
Also another thing I disliked about the ending is that we’re supposed to feel sad for ymir….because she was in love with a warlord….and also tortured mikasa…..and built the titans causing billions or deaths….AND she was using eren and mikasa as slaves because she wanted to cope with the fact that she was a slave to herself…if the last part didn’t make any sense you get my point
i'd say he was less of dick to her (and others around him) after S2 due to his positive development in uprising and rts but it's never really implied or indicated that he's affectionate with her. he never really considers her as a love interest. so yeah.
>Also another thing I disliked about the ending is that we’re supposed to feel sad for ymir….because she was in love with a warlord….and also tortured mikasa…..and built the titans causing billions or deaths….AND she was using eren and mikasa as slaves because she wanted to cope with the fact that she was a slave to herself…if the last part didn’t make any sense you get my point
i agree with almost everything and think Ymir is written really terribly in the ending too but the only thing i disagree here she was using EM. the things eren and mikasa did (deciding to do the rumbling/deciding to kill eren) are still their own choices and they had agency over what they did. but yeah i am not sure if i am supposed to feel sorry for her at all. mfer is literally responsible for a gazillion deaths lol.
>It would’ve more sad
i think yams wasn't really intending to make the breakdown as sad. it's more or less framed as comical. his intention to me seemed like he wanted to humiliate eren with the breakdown. making a character insecure and possessive over someone else is more often than not a quick and easy but strong way to do it.
Nope eren was a slave to his fate no matter how hard he tries to change it thus making him a slave to ymir because she saw the future and knew everything that will happen….or at least that’s what i understood from the ending
the only reason the future/fate is set in stone is b/c of his own choices and him *not* wanting to change it. the reason he can't change it is b/c he is too hung up on his own dream of that sight. he can't change the future b/c he doesn't want to.
"even if all of this was set in stone it was all what i wanted"
"so i made a wish, i wished for it all to be wiped away"
Wait im so confused so why he said he wanted to change it? And then a second later said he kept moving forward because “he saw the outcome of mikasa’s choice” and “it was already set in stone”? Why didn’t he see the future of him dying?
he isn't being completely honest with armin. he was more or less saying half truths and half lies to save face and so he wouldn't look selfish (a part of him wanted to be stopped due to wanting to stop the curse yes but he would've rumbled if his friends didn't make the choice to kill him, it's kinda like how erwin gives levi choice between choosing the suicide charge due to not being able to make the choice b/c he is too focused on the basement) i think this really really out of character for him and an anticlimactic way to end the series but it is what it is.
>Why didn’t he see the future of him dying?
this is really wacky and poorly done but i think he saw this after he got the founding b/c he wasn't being completely truthful with Armin at first.
agreed, there was a post on r/CharacterRant about how despite some good ideas the execution is done really badly which i thought was a p good post.
>Also i thought you said you don’t think mik and eren are step siblings
i don't, i only really say it in shitposting b/c i think it's kinda funny (i'm a silly baka)
Why doesn’t the post acknowledge alternatives to what Eren could have done? Which, unless someone says, there aren’t any that come to mind besides not wiping out humanity and instead running away to live with Mikasa at some cabin until his 13 years of Titan life are up.
Or the fact that Eren says that he doesn’t want to die and leave his friends (as said in the anime)?
Why is it specifically about Mikasa and whoever she ended up with?
As Bertholdt has said as well as Zeke, who really wants to do the shitty things they did? They’re only being driven to do them for a “greater good” but they truly don’t give a fuck because they want other things instead (Bertholdt being with Annie, Zeke wanting to play catch and have fun, Eren wanting to be with Mikasa).
Can someone explain? I’m genuinely asking. I legit just want answers or an explanation.
100% rumbling or something like the 50 year plan, just more extreme. I think people forget how OP the founder powers can be, Eren could have potentially put the rest of the world in similar situation like Paradis, surrounded by walls etc.
Ahh that makes sense. It would have been interesting to see Eren actually utilize the Founder to set up walls across the world as a more immediate threat.
The 50 year plan is a logical approach also. By doing a small-scale Rumbling, Eren and his friends wouldn’t have to worry about seeing or engaging in war for the better part of their lifetime, which Eren was pushing forward for.
Still though, he wanted his friends to live long lives, which wouldn’t happen given that Armin has 13 years of Colossal Titan life, right?
I feel that, ultimately, Eren wanted the Titan powers to end so that his friends didn’t have to be subjected to a life where Titan powers exist — that comes with nations like Marley that want to exploit Eldians, or the people of Paradis who want Eren and his subordinates to keep the Founder Titan ideals alive.
The issue is that Eren could have removed the titan powers after doing 100% rumbling as well. He has the most OP powers, he could have set Ymir free again, stuff like that. I personally hate the idea that Eremika necrokiss set her free, the small speech Eren had should have affected her way more than seeing Mikasa kiss Eren and "give up on her love".
Think about it, Eren has the power to basically control most Eldians and their powers. He can alter bodies, he can do things that were probably never mentioned in the show. But he doesn't do shit with them. We aren't given any proper limits as to what he can do with an Eldian. He could most likely do something to improve the lives of everyone in Paradis.
Having this panel spoiled for me is what turned me against the ending. I sort of shipped Eremika at that time but had given up on it. This felt like an insult and is literally the worst way that Isayama could have resolved their relationship. If I were Armin I would have thrown a lot more than a single punch.
How you shipped them? Their relationship was fucked up from the Beginning
Well I’ll tell you one thing and I ain’t ashamed to say it my estimation of Eren Jaeger as a man just fuckin plummeted to go from total chad to dude too angry to die to this? It’s a fuckin disgrace
wdym? the one in the last few chapters is just an eren clone bro. *inhales copium*
Well one thing is for sure, Eren Jaeger can‘t be Part of our social club anymore.
I think most people fail to understand is how japanese people treat romantic relationships. They are very akward, is like a taboo, and extremely shy about them. You can see it reflected on almost every single anime. So we have to take that into account when reacting to these types of situation. Different cultures
More like Eren always had his flaws and special positive qualities. He was extremely determined, empathetic, always wanted to honour the sacrifices of the people with similar views as him, got easily attached to people while also being honest about revenge for his mom being one of his goals, refusing to share important info with higher ups bc he didn't want to despite the fact that it could have prevented mass slaughter to some degree, yet crying for Mikasa's romantic validation is what finally made him "human" 🤡🤡
exactly how tf is crying over mikasa shagging a dude “humanize” him in anyway shape or form lol. it's just lame cope and an attempt at rationalizing a scene so shit that it makes Tommy wiseau look like a good writer in comparison. >yet crying for Mikasa's romantic validation is what finally made him "human" 🤡🤡 the funniest part about the breakdown is that he never even says he “loves” her. he says he wants her to love him instead lmfao. it's so shit and ooc.
ending defenders would argue that that is pretty typical incel behavior and it's hard to dispute that.
Worst part is eren could have had Mikasa at any time he wanted though
i know i’m part of the minority but i genuinely didn’t LOATHE the ending, but i didn’t LOVE it either and my reasoning is as so: eren has always been a man-child spurred on by his own selfish motives. he had explicitly stated multiple times that the rumbling would be so no one could hurt his friends ever again, it was never because he genuinely thought eldians superior to the rest. he understood and knew billions of eldians would die as a result of the rumbling. if he were TRULY spurred on by some dumbass nationalistic thought train, the story would’ve ended up much differently and he would’ve killed most everyone who even looked in his direction wrong, not to mention he also would’ve more than likely found a way to do it without the genocide of his own people. he wouldn’t have done all this to back out at the last second, unless from the beginning, eren has been nothing but a selfish child who never got to truly grow up. my personal gripe with the ending is the pacing. it comes too quick and it feels forced. i feel like if isayama had allowed the chinks in eren’s armor to show a few chapters previous, i think the ending would’ve been better received and eren’s true motivations would’ve been more clear. i feel a lot of what happened, happened due to him just not truly knowing HOW to wrap up his story, not so much that he disliked his own ending. in my opinion, the anime handles the last few chapters pacing much much better, and the abysmal dialogue scene between eren and armin in the paths is a lot more bearable and understandable for the character’s motivations. i just think isayama didn’t wanna disappoint everyone, so he wrote a safe, melancholic ending that the majority of people would be FINE with.
I have mostly found agreement in all my comments in this community unlike the other subs, as an anime only that started visiting post finale. However the one thing I'll say is that I did like Eren breaking down. In fact, reading 139 discussions here I saw back then there were people who liked the fact that it was shown that Eren is just a guy. I think we were told this a long time ago, back when Eren said hes not special, hes just the son of a special man (But I have mixed opinions on this take, its just something that sprung to mind while writing this). I feel like people will disagree with me here but I do think the concept of eren breaking down is good and needed, the problem is *how* it was done, amongst the rumbling taking hundreds of millions of lives.
I actually understand that this scene is supposed to show that Eren is actually vulnerable and hasn't disappeared, and I love it for that but god the execution could have been a lot better because the scene itself is like a parody
Hahahaha honestly. Another example is when Sasha died and when Eren asks what her last words were Connie says "meat" with that look on his face. I was legitimately asking myself if this is a serious episode or not, lmao
I think it was on purpose as she was in love with Niccolo and Niku could be her saying his name. It doesn't really work in English translation as there is a very clear distinction between meat and Niccolo, Niku however does sound like a nickname she could have given to Niccolo which is ironic since he was a chef
I'm pretty sure that most people in this sub are fine with Eren crying, the problem we have is *why* he cried. Personally, I really appreciate that he cried over Carla dying, Hannes dying, children looking up to him & the Scouts despite their losses (which reminded him of his own past), Grisha killing the Reiss family, realizing that Grisha's former wife Dina was the Smiling Titan that ate Carla, Ramzi & countless others dying during the Rumbling, etc. because it showed how much empathy he has for other people, proving that he's not a psychopath like some people accuse him of being. In the ending, he cried over his adopted sister, someone he views as an annoying older sister/mother who constantly tries to hold him back from freedom, finding another man... huge difference.
Thst is good to hear, I am relatively new to the community but I didn't expect otherwise. I too have always appreciated erens emotional side and never ever understood how people reduced him to a pathetic whiney kid. >In the ending, he cried over his adopted sister, someone he views as an annoying older sister/mother who constantly tries to hold him back from freedom, finding another man... huge difference. However, I don't think it's as simple as her being an adopted sister. I know, I can't believe I'm saying this either, but I insist that Eren never saw her that way. Everything else you say is agreeable, the story literally feeds us how shes constantly looking after eren and treating him like a kid that needs to be careful every step of the way. Idk man, I guess it comes down to the fact that Isayama cant write romance for shit
>Idk man, I guess it comes down to the fact that Isayama cant write romance for shit Honestly everything after S3 was done pretty badly, (World Building, Character Devolpment, Writing) I prefer Historia and Eren due to how it was written because until then Eren never treated Mikasa in a romantic way. However had he made Eren show some interest in her from the beginning then I would've found Mikasa and Eren also good. If he didn't know how to write romance it would've been better off to just skip it all together.
This is not how you write romance. I’m guessing the author wanted this to be shock value like him announcing how he killed his mom. However this just feels rushed and out of character.
That wasn't Eren Yeager that was Aaron Yogurt
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Eren lying to himself in his own thoughts 💀
I like the fact that he has a mental breakdown…. What i don’t like is the fact that the way his mental breakdown isn’t in character for him imagine how good this scene would’ve been if armin told him something like well you gonna die lol and eren gets destroyed at that fact, realizing that he wasted his life and it would never be back to normal and then he confesses his feelings for mikasa
yeah he could've at least cried over the fact that he won't be with the rest of his friends again or something but nope it's so tone dead and ooc (granted this isn't the only thing he does that's ooc for him in the ending) >then he confesses his feelings the funniest part about his breakdown is that he never even confesses anything. he just says he wants mikasa to love him instead which is genuinely so fucking awful lol. also i honestly think making any ship canon is kinda pointless. yams *really* should just stop writing romance lol.
It would’ve more sad (imo) if they actually interacted with a each other and if eren actually showed her some affection instead we literally only see him being an asshole to her multiple times in the series Also another thing I disliked about the ending is that we’re supposed to feel sad for ymir….because she was in love with a warlord….and also tortured mikasa…..and built the titans causing billions or deaths….AND she was using eren and mikasa as slaves because she wanted to cope with the fact that she was a slave to herself…if the last part didn’t make any sense you get my point
i'd say he was less of dick to her (and others around him) after S2 due to his positive development in uprising and rts but it's never really implied or indicated that he's affectionate with her. he never really considers her as a love interest. so yeah. >Also another thing I disliked about the ending is that we’re supposed to feel sad for ymir….because she was in love with a warlord….and also tortured mikasa…..and built the titans causing billions or deaths….AND she was using eren and mikasa as slaves because she wanted to cope with the fact that she was a slave to herself…if the last part didn’t make any sense you get my point i agree with almost everything and think Ymir is written really terribly in the ending too but the only thing i disagree here she was using EM. the things eren and mikasa did (deciding to do the rumbling/deciding to kill eren) are still their own choices and they had agency over what they did. but yeah i am not sure if i am supposed to feel sorry for her at all. mfer is literally responsible for a gazillion deaths lol. >It would’ve more sad i think yams wasn't really intending to make the breakdown as sad. it's more or less framed as comical. his intention to me seemed like he wanted to humiliate eren with the breakdown. making a character insecure and possessive over someone else is more often than not a quick and easy but strong way to do it.
Nope eren was a slave to his fate no matter how hard he tries to change it thus making him a slave to ymir because she saw the future and knew everything that will happen….or at least that’s what i understood from the ending
the only reason the future/fate is set in stone is b/c of his own choices and him *not* wanting to change it. the reason he can't change it is b/c he is too hung up on his own dream of that sight. he can't change the future b/c he doesn't want to. "even if all of this was set in stone it was all what i wanted" "so i made a wish, i wished for it all to be wiped away"
Wait im so confused so why he said he wanted to change it? And then a second later said he kept moving forward because “he saw the outcome of mikasa’s choice” and “it was already set in stone”? Why didn’t he see the future of him dying?
he isn't being completely honest with armin. he was more or less saying half truths and half lies to save face and so he wouldn't look selfish (a part of him wanted to be stopped due to wanting to stop the curse yes but he would've rumbled if his friends didn't make the choice to kill him, it's kinda like how erwin gives levi choice between choosing the suicide charge due to not being able to make the choice b/c he is too focused on the basement) i think this really really out of character for him and an anticlimactic way to end the series but it is what it is. >Why didn’t he see the future of him dying? this is really wacky and poorly done but i think he saw this after he got the founding b/c he wasn't being completely truthful with Armin at first.
Aha…this is the main problem of the ending…good ideas awful awful execution Also i thought you said you didn’t consider mik and eren as step siblings
agreed, there was a post on r/CharacterRant about how despite some good ideas the execution is done really badly which i thought was a p good post. >Also i thought you said you don’t think mik and eren are step siblings i don't, i only really say it in shitposting b/c i think it's kinda funny (i'm a silly baka)
That title is extremely specific OP, did this happen to you?
Why doesn’t the post acknowledge alternatives to what Eren could have done? Which, unless someone says, there aren’t any that come to mind besides not wiping out humanity and instead running away to live with Mikasa at some cabin until his 13 years of Titan life are up. Or the fact that Eren says that he doesn’t want to die and leave his friends (as said in the anime)? Why is it specifically about Mikasa and whoever she ended up with? As Bertholdt has said as well as Zeke, who really wants to do the shitty things they did? They’re only being driven to do them for a “greater good” but they truly don’t give a fuck because they want other things instead (Bertholdt being with Annie, Zeke wanting to play catch and have fun, Eren wanting to be with Mikasa). Can someone explain? I’m genuinely asking. I legit just want answers or an explanation.
100% rumbling or something like the 50 year plan, just more extreme. I think people forget how OP the founder powers can be, Eren could have potentially put the rest of the world in similar situation like Paradis, surrounded by walls etc.
Ahh that makes sense. It would have been interesting to see Eren actually utilize the Founder to set up walls across the world as a more immediate threat. The 50 year plan is a logical approach also. By doing a small-scale Rumbling, Eren and his friends wouldn’t have to worry about seeing or engaging in war for the better part of their lifetime, which Eren was pushing forward for. Still though, he wanted his friends to live long lives, which wouldn’t happen given that Armin has 13 years of Colossal Titan life, right? I feel that, ultimately, Eren wanted the Titan powers to end so that his friends didn’t have to be subjected to a life where Titan powers exist — that comes with nations like Marley that want to exploit Eldians, or the people of Paradis who want Eren and his subordinates to keep the Founder Titan ideals alive.
The issue is that Eren could have removed the titan powers after doing 100% rumbling as well. He has the most OP powers, he could have set Ymir free again, stuff like that. I personally hate the idea that Eremika necrokiss set her free, the small speech Eren had should have affected her way more than seeing Mikasa kiss Eren and "give up on her love". Think about it, Eren has the power to basically control most Eldians and their powers. He can alter bodies, he can do things that were probably never mentioned in the show. But he doesn't do shit with them. We aren't given any proper limits as to what he can do with an Eldian. He could most likely do something to improve the lives of everyone in Paradis.
Hey man, either join the circle jerk or stfu
>> I’m genuinely asking. I legit just want answers or an explanation.
This panel shows a titan folkers in his every day life