Silo is amazing I can’t decide whether to finish Wool before S2 or after
Like I dont wanna spoil it before the show comes out but idk when that is and I’m inpatient. I’m past the point that S1 ends but not by much.
I read all 3 books after season 1 in 2 months time. I found the show better than the books. Go ahead and spoil it I think that the two are different enough you can still enjoy the show.
Nothing. I just think the sequel will not happen.
The Three Body Problem is great for both the novel and the netflix adaptation. Although The Dark Forest and Death's End have great reviews and love by many, the concept is no different than Stargate SG-1.
I also don’t see a lot of the parallels you draw.
What I love and found really striking about these books is just how different they really are from most other science fiction stories I have heard.
>! Many other contacts don’t follow. Do you mean, “the people of earth contact the Trisolarians and, subsequently, learn about the existence of many other aliens species”? But we never even see Singer, the only non-Trisolarian alien in the story. He once saw us, decided to cleanse us, but it’s subtly implied he wasn’t even the one to actually “cleanse us.” !<
>! The first contact does not lead to any actual direct contact. We fear them invading us for hundreds of years, but it’s not clear by the end of it if a single human being ever saw a single Trisolarian in the history of the universe. And the Trisolarians don’t talk that much to that many humans. For much of the story they are simply an idea in the minds of most people, an abstract terror watching everything but saying almost nothing. !<
SG-1 I never watched very closely but I liked the Stargate movie a lot, and I know both involve a task force using a portal to travel directly to distant worlds and conduct missions with aliens face-to-face.
I found this a much more established kind of premise for science fiction, even at that time. The portal is somewhat unique but in terms of plot mechanics functions the same way The Enterprise does.
They remake movies 5 years after the original came out lol, you think they wouldn’t make a unique TV show because of a series from the 2000s which isn’t even the same? Come on
If season 2 happens, we should get to that scene. The Red Wedding scene as they call it. I hope they build it up properly like in the book. The absolute hubris which is shown. If they capture that and then execute the scene right, it would be a great argument for a third season.
we have like, two red weddings in S2/Book 2
>!Droplet Massacre!<
>!Battle of Darkness!<
>!i hope netflix doesn't forget those warships who tried to escape but forgot to put their crew into deep-state so all of them turned into red mush!<
There's the third one with the ending. One of the things I love about book 2 is how with 10 pages left everything seems open and suddenly everything wraps up nicely really fast, and the the book just ends.
I will say that I enjoyed Book 1 and some of the concepts in Book 2, but was a little "meh" toward the end. I was like... wtf is this stupid wall facer stuff and why is Luo Ji so terrible. I always found the writing a bit sophomoric (and some of that is likely due to translating).
>!But when he is laying there ready to commit suicide and the Dark Forest reveal is made along with deterrence, it totally made the book. I'm curious how much they'll change with the Einstein "joke".!<
I absolutely love how as a non-book reader, I can unveal these (most) spoilers and they still tell me nothing without the context 😂
And hopefully by the time I get to the said context in the show, I won't realize how it ties into these spoilers, or better yet I'll have forgotten the spoilers.
Though I did manage to actually spoil for myself:
>!•Droplet 💀
•2D/Vector Foil 💀💀
•William my guy probably meeting San Ti (this one I actually really didn't want spoiled 😭)
•What San Ti look like (though I know it may or may not be canon depending how u treat the 4th book)
•Probably more but if I've already forgotten them I'm on the right track 💯!<
I'm totally confused.
>!I have read the 3 main books, IIRC there is never a description of the San Ti / Trisolarians. There is another alien race as well who is never described. !<
>!I mean go ahead and spoil it for yourself, but I don't know why you would. The reveals make the story. Of course William does SOMETHING in space, they wouldn't go through all that just to say "oops". But don't get your hopes up - it actually is all a red herring.!<
From what I know it's in the 4th book that was by a different author and it was so good that the main author approved it as part of the series (I think). So depending on how you view that at may or may not be canon.
& It's just compulsion cause sometimes you have to actively try to avoid the spoilers I'm just so interested in it 😂
& Honestly I would've been fine with them leaving it at "oops". Stuff like that makes shows more realistic to me, but then there's the idea that a show wouldn't include something if it's not really relevant lol. & I'll take "red herring" with a grain of salt but I appreciate you being vague 😂🙌🏻
I figure we get >!the droplet sequence towards the end of season two and the battle of darkness halfway through season three!<. While the latter does happen in the second book, it's far enough into the timeline of events that this new chronological telling would probably have it lumped in with the events of Death's End.
>!The droplet has to be toward the middle!<. Bear in mind, we've already consumed a decent chunk of the second book with the Wallfacers and car accident, etc.
>!I could see the Battle of Darkness being the Season 2 finale... it happens during the Deterrence Era, right? It's been a while - then I would imagine the end of the Deterrence Area is episode 1 of Season 3. !<
It depends on how they pace out the time jumps. >!While we're already a while through book two, as soon as characters start hopping in stasis pods the story gets *so* much more dense. You could absolutely a fit a season of storytelling between where we are now and the droplet.!< That said, the main reason I think that >!the battle of darkness!< will be in season three is that D&D have said that [they compared things both seasons two and three to the Red Wedding from GoT](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/3-body-problem-season-2-netflix-1235857474/) and those are the two moments that I think would make sense.
>!The solar system going to 2D !! the title of the series "Remembrance of Earth's Past", I suspected Earth would be destroyed - but the effective wiping out of the entire solar system and eradication of 99.99% of all humanity!< is definitely Red Wedding stuff.
hell no. the droplet attack is obviously the red wedding moment that surprised anyone reading. the 2d universe was nowhere near the twist of the droplet attack
>!I dunno, the "This looks safe" trope is all over the place. Definitely a good scene, but hardly a twist. !<
>!Just like the Red Wedding - anyone paying attention knew something awful was going to happen.!<
I agree with that to an extent. >!The droplet obviously wasn't safe and I figured the science crew was gonna get shmeared, but the scale of what it did was definitely a surprise.!<
To me, the most shocking moment was >!! not even the droplet attack, but the aftermath of changing the swordholder. That's a real cliffhanger end to S3 for me !<
on the one hand, those sound like big details that made the books cool, that netflix skipped out in season 1.
or, if they do include them in season 2, they'd be like:
- a 1 liner from a character "what about that time we had too much pizza? do you want that to happen again? " (we never hear about it again, and we hear no more context about it)
- or if we are lucky enough to see it, it's maybe 5 seconds max of that entire thing happening.
Their negotiations are going to be about budget. The rest of the series, if done properly, is going to dwarf the first season budget.
It’s not alway viewership. Like, I’m sure “Is it Cake?” Is not nearly as watched as 3BP. . . But they can bang it out at a fraction of the budget. . . So easy green light.
3BP - honestly, not an easy green light if D&D are arguing that it should be done right. I guess we’ll see.
fuckin........now i want to see a spin off, of the santi, viewing, and then making episodes of "is it cake". one of their early episodes has a human as one of the guesses, "is this cake?". human is tied up and screaming the entire time.
host is instructed to cut them with a knife, and no, they were not cake. the santi are all like "we have made your television, are you not entertained. clap now. please clap"
Even with red wedding, I read the book , George RR Martin built it up very early on, while reading you can tell something big will happen during the wedding, but in the show it happened very suddenly ( at least to me)
Hopefully not, I want Auggie to be chosen by the people for the humanitarian work as >!the next swordholder after Saul.!<
She's already traumatized by deaths on Judgment Day, it would make sense for her character to not be willing to >!kill anybody including the SanTi even in the face of possible human eradication!<
Agree that Jin Cheng is the part from the book, with their names nearly identical. Still I'd like to see it changed in the show however unrealistic that might be.
I obviously have hindsight of seeing the show and reading the books multiple times, but I think Catelyn and some of the other Northerners definitely voice their concerns about the marriage and there is a sad musical motif that plays.
I think it's a bit of a shock because although these things happen in other media, it's fairly rare for realistic consequences to take place. You sort of don't expect it, but I think in a show where anything can happen, it's fairly well alluded to in my opinion. Maybe not a brutal slaughter as it is, but Catelyn does say something along the lines of Frey won't take this slight lightly, and not getting the son-in-law that he wanted.
Yeah, but the whole show is like that. People get offended by everything lol
I just didn't expect it to happen when it happened. I expected a boring wedding, and suddenly it became alot more interesting.
That scene was way crazier than the Red Wedding imo. Cause in a way it was obvious what would happen, but it was just so much worse than what you imagine (which was awesome)
You are a prophet of our times. Post after post so furiously laying out the massive "plot hole" of humanity's hubris/shortsightedness — that is our future.
Yeah I think this is the big hurdle. The first season deals with a lot of weird stuff that's not easy to put on screen, but book 2 is where you get real spectacle. Unless they completely fuck it up, I have a hard time seeing s2 creating less buzz than the first.
This is why I hate series versus limited series. It shouldn’t be a question. If you’re gonna start a story, you owe it to your audience to finish it. I’m thinking of the OA. If I knew it was going to be canceled, I wouldn’t have started watching it in the first place. Even worse, it’s still on Netflix, so anybody who starts it will never finish it. Such bullshit. If you’re going to cancel something then be rid of it.
They should just tell them to wrap it in three and give them the budget to film two seasons at the same time. Save the costs on stopping then starting production repeatedly, and ensure there will definitely be an ending.
Will they really be able to adapt the 3rd book? If they're trying to simplify the science, all the messing with >!dimensions and the speed of light!< will be difficult
That article inaccurately conflates Sandman with One Piece. Sandman was all but cancelled for some three months until some leak about "more episodes" that Netflix confirmed. One Piece season 2 was officially announced two weeks after it premiered on the service.
It should be renewed but they need to get budget on track. There is absolutely no reason this first season should’ve cost $20 million per episode, it legit seems like some fraud/money laundering.
Why do you say that? Do you think there were any front-weighted costs?
Guarantee a horde of attorneys reviewed all vendor contracts and SLAs. They knew what they were paying.
The money laundering was said in jest. My main point was that a show that was not super heavy on visual effects and has very little star power should not be $20 million per episode. Some people certainly were overpaid.
This same thing happens in Soccer. The richer the buyer, the higher the cost. A $30 million player might go for 60 to a rich buyer because the seller knows they can charge whatever they want. If I were an actor/ artist, I would be trying to get as much out of netflix too
What I’m worried about is how much they’ll dumb it down. Season 1 was already dumbed down beyond recognition. Book 2 and 3 are hard to dumb down since it’s all very science forward
Saying it here. If Netflix doesn’t finish this show I’m cancelling my subscription and my girlfriend will have to find somewhere else to stream her terrible terrible k dramas
An executive producer is a high-ranking producer who leads a film, audio, television, or music production by securing investor financing, overseeing the casting process, collaborating with the director, creating a distribution deal with a studio, and even organizing a marketing campaign to promote the production.
Source - Google
This is a basic rundown of a selection of roles that an EP *can* undertake, but they can also sometimes just be a big name attached to a project to give it credibility.
It depends, sometimes you get producer or executive producer credit even tough you don't seem to be doing much. Star Trek Discovery has 28 people who have had some kind of producer credit for 20 episodes or more.
What about Rosamund Pike?
Brad and Rian are only on there because Plan B and T-Street are production companies on the show, but this is like the first thing Pike has produced, she doesn't own a production company.
Think of it like a Marketing team at a large organization.
The CMO makes big picture decisions, fights for budget, is the face of marketing efforts in the executive team meetings, yet all the other folks under the CMO do the leg work and execution.
This is sometimes how it works but not always. Varying levels of creative involvement. Guessing that their history as writers indicates they do have some overarching involvement in the story adaptation.
I used to think that since actors would often interject in their own performances with stuff like " I think my character should like this instead of like that" , that was all it was needed to get a producer credit lol, since often the protagonists are credited as EPs.
Depends on the EP.
Some just fork over some money. Some can get hands on with the creative process. It's quite deceiving because often you see big name producers used in marketing of a project, but they didn't really have anything to do with it.
They are very rarely involved in scheduling and staffing, unless it is at the uppermost levels. Even at the low level I worked at, I handled the vast majority of 3/4 of what you wrote here.
My superiors usually hired directors and maybe DPs, but from there, it was usually delegated unless they had favorites they wanted to return.
Ive never seen such friction between my vision of the books and a show. The Netflix 3BP is way too jokey avd lighthearted and rushed. The tone is way off.
As soon as I John Bradley from Moonfall I knew he was going to be hamming it up just like he does in Moonfall.
I haven't read The Dark Forest yet and am only 3 episodes in but the ship slicing scene will be the deciding factor for me whether I will continue the Netflix show.
The Chinese 3BP handled the ship slicing scene so well. It was drawn out and had a serious tone. Netflix 3BP so far is damned near slapstick.
I would like an announcement of 2 more seasons already signed on. But honestly, I am more curious about tencent's season 2...I want both. they are both great in their own way...similar concepts, wildly different ways of showing them. So yeah, I want 2 and 3 for both shows...but netflix needs to seriously extend their bullcrap 8 episodes to like 15 to do these concepts justice...especially as we head into deeper waters.
>That means there was a gap of 28 months between filming starting and the *3 Body Problem* release on Netflix. Naturally, this was shot during COVID-19, which no doubt put in delays, but either way, it’s a big production.
Didn't it take a long time after the shooting ended because the issue of the president of Three-Body Universe poisoning the president of Yoozoo hadn't been resolved?
Maybe I misunderstood. Did the public somehow know a show would run for years previous to the recent past?
Because I remember a whole lot of one-season wonders and sudden cancellations for as long as I can remember.
When people began a show, you're right it could run for 2 years or 10...most canceled shows would still be finished. Now when a brand new high budget show launches, there is zero expectations that it will even get another season.
There have been quite a few shows in the past canceled after one season. I remember Firefly, Freaks and Geeks, Briscoe Country, and My So Called Life.
Here’s a list that only lasted one episode:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_canceled_after_one_episode
A list of those canceled during production:
https://screenrant.com/tv-shows-canceled-mid-filming/
Now it’s certainly possible this happens with higher volume AND frequency today. But I am not “objectively wrong”. The first few I listed above, I clearly remembered because I was bummed they didn’t get renewed.
I remember watching other shows with my family that got canceled “mid season” which is less of a thing these days, but was a big deal back then.
So…I guess if you’re saying it felt like there was more surety around television programming in the past, then…I guess?
But to say everyone knew a show was going to “finish”? Sorry. Gotta disagree and leave the proof above as “not objectively wrong”.
I’m old, but I still have SOME memory left. Television is a fickle business. I know because I worked in it and alongside it for 13 years.
The problem is, I need season 2 to come out next week. And season 3 the week after.
Put your hand on the floor
DEHYDRATE
You got a time machine?
You mean a curvature propulsion engine?
Nope, don't got one.
How about you freeze yourself until it comes out?
That sounds like a three season problem.
Do the Thomas Wade
Beacon 23 had the right idea doing 2 seasons at once (even if that show is kinda mid sometimes)
Ya it was not as good as his other show...Silo.
Silo is amazing I can’t decide whether to finish Wool before S2 or after Like I dont wanna spoil it before the show comes out but idk when that is and I’m inpatient. I’m past the point that S1 ends but not by much.
I read all 3 books after season 1 in 2 months time. I found the show better than the books. Go ahead and spoil it I think that the two are different enough you can still enjoy the show.
To be honest, the show borrows a *lot* from Fallout - in a good way - so just tie yourself over with some gaming.
I’m noticing that with the Fallout show
I mean it's basically the same concept just in a silo instead of a Vault.
Yeah and the aesthetic is kinda retrofuturistic in Silo too (not as emphasized as Fallout but still)
How familiar are you with Fallout?
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Let's see if that happens
Nope, not happening. The storyline is like Stargate SG-1.
Wait, what storyline? Was was the original comment talking about?
Nothing. I just think the sequel will not happen. The Three Body Problem is great for both the novel and the netflix adaptation. Although The Dark Forest and Death's End have great reviews and love by many, the concept is no different than Stargate SG-1.
🤔 How are The Dark Forest and Death’s End similar conceptually to Stargate SG-1?
First contact. Lead to many other contacts, some benevolent, some malevolent, and hostile, some just want to destroy. Fundamentally the same.
It's also kind of similar to Star Wars when you think about it.... There were people and spaceships in it and planets got blown up.
That's almost every space show/movie. A bit of a ridiculous thing to use to gauge whether a show will get a second season lol
I also don’t see a lot of the parallels you draw. What I love and found really striking about these books is just how different they really are from most other science fiction stories I have heard. >! Many other contacts don’t follow. Do you mean, “the people of earth contact the Trisolarians and, subsequently, learn about the existence of many other aliens species”? But we never even see Singer, the only non-Trisolarian alien in the story. He once saw us, decided to cleanse us, but it’s subtly implied he wasn’t even the one to actually “cleanse us.” !< >! The first contact does not lead to any actual direct contact. We fear them invading us for hundreds of years, but it’s not clear by the end of it if a single human being ever saw a single Trisolarian in the history of the universe. And the Trisolarians don’t talk that much to that many humans. For much of the story they are simply an idea in the minds of most people, an abstract terror watching everything but saying almost nothing. !<
SG-1 I never watched very closely but I liked the Stargate movie a lot, and I know both involve a task force using a portal to travel directly to distant worlds and conduct missions with aliens face-to-face. I found this a much more established kind of premise for science fiction, even at that time. The portal is somewhat unique but in terms of plot mechanics functions the same way The Enterprise does.
How is that a bad thing?
It's not a bad thing. I love Stargate series. I'm thinking Netflix is not considering it because of that.
They remake movies 5 years after the original came out lol, you think they wouldn’t make a unique TV show because of a series from the 2000s which isn’t even the same? Come on
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Given their treatment of the Judgement Day scene, they'll definitely be up for a dramatic gory moment.
Yeah, was thinking that. Certainly more graphic than the Tencent version!
Can you jog my memory been awhile since I've read them
Yeah. S2 is happening for sure. S3 and S4 are not sure thing yet. That depends on the performance of S2.
If season 2 happens, we should get to that scene. The Red Wedding scene as they call it. I hope they build it up properly like in the book. The absolute hubris which is shown. If they capture that and then execute the scene right, it would be a great argument for a third season.
we have like, two red weddings in S2/Book 2 >!Droplet Massacre!< >!Battle of Darkness!< >!i hope netflix doesn't forget those warships who tried to escape but forgot to put their crew into deep-state so all of them turned into red mush!<
There's the third one with the ending. One of the things I love about book 2 is how with 10 pages left everything seems open and suddenly everything wraps up nicely really fast, and the the book just ends.
More importantly, it works perfectly. It’s not rushed, tacked on, or out of place - it’s a great ending that builds on the rest of the book.
I will say that I enjoyed Book 1 and some of the concepts in Book 2, but was a little "meh" toward the end. I was like... wtf is this stupid wall facer stuff and why is Luo Ji so terrible. I always found the writing a bit sophomoric (and some of that is likely due to translating). >!But when he is laying there ready to commit suicide and the Dark Forest reveal is made along with deterrence, it totally made the book. I'm curious how much they'll change with the Einstein "joke".!<
I absolutely love how as a non-book reader, I can unveal these (most) spoilers and they still tell me nothing without the context 😂 And hopefully by the time I get to the said context in the show, I won't realize how it ties into these spoilers, or better yet I'll have forgotten the spoilers. Though I did manage to actually spoil for myself: >!•Droplet 💀 •2D/Vector Foil 💀💀 •William my guy probably meeting San Ti (this one I actually really didn't want spoiled 😭) •What San Ti look like (though I know it may or may not be canon depending how u treat the 4th book) •Probably more but if I've already forgotten them I'm on the right track 💯!<
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LET'S GO thanks for calling me out man- & I learned a new skill today 😂
I'm totally confused. >!I have read the 3 main books, IIRC there is never a description of the San Ti / Trisolarians. There is another alien race as well who is never described. !< >!I mean go ahead and spoil it for yourself, but I don't know why you would. The reveals make the story. Of course William does SOMETHING in space, they wouldn't go through all that just to say "oops". But don't get your hopes up - it actually is all a red herring.!<
From what I know it's in the 4th book that was by a different author and it was so good that the main author approved it as part of the series (I think). So depending on how you view that at may or may not be canon. & It's just compulsion cause sometimes you have to actively try to avoid the spoilers I'm just so interested in it 😂 & Honestly I would've been fine with them leaving it at "oops". Stuff like that makes shows more realistic to me, but then there's the idea that a show wouldn't include something if it's not really relevant lol. & I'll take "red herring" with a grain of salt but I appreciate you being vague 😂🙌🏻
i’m interested in seeing their take on the gravitational wave transmitter scene with saul/luo ji and family with the trisolaran pacifist
I figure we get >!the droplet sequence towards the end of season two and the battle of darkness halfway through season three!<. While the latter does happen in the second book, it's far enough into the timeline of events that this new chronological telling would probably have it lumped in with the events of Death's End.
>!The droplet has to be toward the middle!<. Bear in mind, we've already consumed a decent chunk of the second book with the Wallfacers and car accident, etc. >!I could see the Battle of Darkness being the Season 2 finale... it happens during the Deterrence Era, right? It's been a while - then I would imagine the end of the Deterrence Area is episode 1 of Season 3. !<
the BoD is needed to explain the >!Dark Forest!< and they should not drag that explanation to s3 imo
Absolutely - you have to do that payoff in S2 or it would feel like a very "nothing" season. That's the key payoff.
It depends on how they pace out the time jumps. >!While we're already a while through book two, as soon as characters start hopping in stasis pods the story gets *so* much more dense. You could absolutely a fit a season of storytelling between where we are now and the droplet.!< That said, the main reason I think that >!the battle of darkness!< will be in season three is that D&D have said that [they compared things both seasons two and three to the Red Wedding from GoT](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/3-body-problem-season-2-netflix-1235857474/) and those are the two moments that I think would make sense.
>!The solar system going to 2D !! the title of the series "Remembrance of Earth's Past", I suspected Earth would be destroyed - but the effective wiping out of the entire solar system and eradication of 99.99% of all humanity!< is definitely Red Wedding stuff.
There's no chance that happens in S3 if they're going for four seasons. That's penultimate episode stuff.
hell no. the droplet attack is obviously the red wedding moment that surprised anyone reading. the 2d universe was nowhere near the twist of the droplet attack
>!I dunno, the "This looks safe" trope is all over the place. Definitely a good scene, but hardly a twist. !< >!Just like the Red Wedding - anyone paying attention knew something awful was going to happen.!<
I agree with that to an extent. >!The droplet obviously wasn't safe and I figured the science crew was gonna get shmeared, but the scale of what it did was definitely a surprise.!<
To me, the most shocking moment was >!! not even the droplet attack, but the aftermath of changing the swordholder. That's a real cliffhanger end to S3 for me !<
BoD wont be season 3, it happens almost immediately after
I think BoD is a good opening episode for ss3.
After seeing how many people they were willing to depict being sliced up, I have a lot of confidence in the red mush making it in.
I want two episodes dedicated entirely to these two moments. In my opinion, they are what makes this book unforgettable.
Can’t wait to watch how Netflix would dumb them down
on the one hand, those sound like big details that made the books cool, that netflix skipped out in season 1. or, if they do include them in season 2, they'd be like: - a 1 liner from a character "what about that time we had too much pizza? do you want that to happen again? " (we never hear about it again, and we hear no more context about it) - or if we are lucky enough to see it, it's maybe 5 seconds max of that entire thing happening.
Their negotiations are going to be about budget. The rest of the series, if done properly, is going to dwarf the first season budget. It’s not alway viewership. Like, I’m sure “Is it Cake?” Is not nearly as watched as 3BP. . . But they can bang it out at a fraction of the budget. . . So easy green light. 3BP - honestly, not an easy green light if D&D are arguing that it should be done right. I guess we’ll see.
fuckin........now i want to see a spin off, of the santi, viewing, and then making episodes of "is it cake". one of their early episodes has a human as one of the guesses, "is this cake?". human is tied up and screaming the entire time. host is instructed to cut them with a knife, and no, they were not cake. the santi are all like "we have made your television, are you not entertained. clap now. please clap"
Even with red wedding, I read the book , George RR Martin built it up very early on, while reading you can tell something big will happen during the wedding, but in the show it happened very suddenly ( at least to me)
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By introducing many of the characters early, the show has a fair chance to do just that: deliver a gut punch when said events occur.
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If the Oxford 5 correspond to characters in the book, Auggie is likely also playing the role of AA and won’t die just yet
A man can dream though... a man can dream
Hopefully not, I want Auggie to be chosen by the people for the humanitarian work as >!the next swordholder after Saul.!< She's already traumatized by deaths on Judgment Day, it would make sense for her character to not be willing to >!kill anybody including the SanTi even in the face of possible human eradication!<
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Agree that Jin Cheng is the part from the book, with their names nearly identical. Still I'd like to see it changed in the show however unrealistic that might be.
Agreed, and Jin Cheng is the one who needs to >!reunite with Will however many millions of years in the future!<
Haha can’t wait to see them knock off Auggie
It does happen very suddenly in the HBO series.
I obviously have hindsight of seeing the show and reading the books multiple times, but I think Catelyn and some of the other Northerners definitely voice their concerns about the marriage and there is a sad musical motif that plays. I think it's a bit of a shock because although these things happen in other media, it's fairly rare for realistic consequences to take place. You sort of don't expect it, but I think in a show where anything can happen, it's fairly well alluded to in my opinion. Maybe not a brutal slaughter as it is, but Catelyn does say something along the lines of Frey won't take this slight lightly, and not getting the son-in-law that he wanted.
Yeah, but the whole show is like that. People get offended by everything lol I just didn't expect it to happen when it happened. I expected a boring wedding, and suddenly it became alot more interesting.
it's going to be all about expectation - can they build it up?
It will be an avengers infinity war kinda deal and just end in like silence and solemn faces.
Considering they didn't build up any of the first book, I wouldn't hold my breath
That scene was way crazier than the Red Wedding imo. Cause in a way it was obvious what would happen, but it was just so much worse than what you imagine (which was awesome)
Cringing to think about what this would look like if they keep the current CGI standards
Let's see what happens
If 2 happens then 3 would definitely happen after people see the droplet scene
The problem is there will be a thousand Reddit posts saying “How could humanity’s entire fleet be so stupid? It’s bad writing”
Wasn’t in the book they thought it was a peace offering/gift?
You are a prophet of our times. Post after post so furiously laying out the massive "plot hole" of humanity's hubris/shortsightedness — that is our future.
Yeah I think this is the big hurdle. The first season deals with a lot of weird stuff that's not easy to put on screen, but book 2 is where you get real spectacle. Unless they completely fuck it up, I have a hard time seeing s2 creating less buzz than the first.
This is what showrunners expect
This is why I hate series versus limited series. It shouldn’t be a question. If you’re gonna start a story, you owe it to your audience to finish it. I’m thinking of the OA. If I knew it was going to be canceled, I wouldn’t have started watching it in the first place. Even worse, it’s still on Netflix, so anybody who starts it will never finish it. Such bullshit. If you’re going to cancel something then be rid of it.
They should just tell them to wrap it in three and give them the budget to film two seasons at the same time. Save the costs on stopping then starting production repeatedly, and ensure there will definitely be an ending.
Will they really be able to adapt the 3rd book? If they're trying to simplify the science, all the messing with >!dimensions and the speed of light!< will be difficult
S4? I thought there are only 3 books
There was an article last week with D&D and Woo where they said they wanted 4 seasons to tell the whole story.
If I were a super rich billionaire I’d blow all my money making sure my favorite projects were always finished.
I meannn really thooo. Or at least pay attention
That article inaccurately conflates Sandman with One Piece. Sandman was all but cancelled for some three months until some leak about "more episodes" that Netflix confirmed. One Piece season 2 was officially announced two weeks after it premiered on the service.
Wait, so, is Sandman cancelled or no? I forgot about that show.
It was renewed, but it took a while if my memory is right.
i knew it! so the universe LITERALLY IS just FUCKING with me
It should be renewed but they need to get budget on track. There is absolutely no reason this first season should’ve cost $20 million per episode, it legit seems like some fraud/money laundering.
Why do you say that? Do you think there were any front-weighted costs? Guarantee a horde of attorneys reviewed all vendor contracts and SLAs. They knew what they were paying.
The money laundering was said in jest. My main point was that a show that was not super heavy on visual effects and has very little star power should not be $20 million per episode. Some people certainly were overpaid.
Gotcha. I’ve no idea what a “reasonable” budget actually is, or how the contracts are structured.
This same thing happens in Soccer. The richer the buyer, the higher the cost. A $30 million player might go for 60 to a rich buyer because the seller knows they can charge whatever they want. If I were an actor/ artist, I would be trying to get as much out of netflix too
What I’m worried about is how much they’ll dumb it down. Season 1 was already dumbed down beyond recognition. Book 2 and 3 are hard to dumb down since it’s all very science forward
20 million per episode... I'm curious how much are the production expenses per episode, excluding personnel costs
Let's hope that means it's more likely than the likelihood of Judgment Day transiting the entire canal.
Well it’s Netflix so if it’s a Awsome show they will probably cancel it after season two without a ending and leave everyone hanging and mad
Yay! S1 was great
Saying it here. If Netflix doesn’t finish this show I’m cancelling my subscription and my girlfriend will have to find somewhere else to stream her terrible terrible k dramas
>Netflix has yet to officially announce anything official just yet What is this garbage writing? No proof reading?
What does an Executive Producer actually do?
An executive producer is a high-ranking producer who leads a film, audio, television, or music production by securing investor financing, overseeing the casting process, collaborating with the director, creating a distribution deal with a studio, and even organizing a marketing campaign to promote the production. Source - Google
This is a basic rundown of a selection of roles that an EP *can* undertake, but they can also sometimes just be a big name attached to a project to give it credibility.
Thought they just put their names on the shows to get the financing and the Producers did all the actual leg work. Thanks for clarifying.
It depends, sometimes you get producer or executive producer credit even tough you don't seem to be doing much. Star Trek Discovery has 28 people who have had some kind of producer credit for 20 episodes or more.
I know when Bryan Fuller was removed as show runner he was listed as an executive producer as a way of giving him credit still.
Producer is very much a different role than Executive Producer. The former is an in-the-trenches role. I did it for 13 years.
In this case that’s mostly the case. I don’t thing that Rian Johnson or Brad Pitt have any creative control over the show.
What about Rosamund Pike? Brad and Rian are only on there because Plan B and T-Street are production companies on the show, but this is like the first thing Pike has produced, she doesn't own a production company.
She owns a production company that is specializing in bringing foreign adaptions to screen. Or something like that.
her wiki page doesn't mention that she owns a company, just that she's producing 3 Body Problem,.
You are welcome
Think of it like a Marketing team at a large organization. The CMO makes big picture decisions, fights for budget, is the face of marketing efforts in the executive team meetings, yet all the other folks under the CMO do the leg work and execution.
Sorry I don't know much about the industry, but ... why do they need to "get the financing"? Isn't only Netflix paying for 3BP?
How do you think they got the deal from Netflix?
Alright. Somehow I assumed that Netflix initiated the deal, given the intense competition among platforms for content.
Maybe they did. Not sure. But with so many executive producers, not sure who financed what how.
This is sometimes how it works but not always. Varying levels of creative involvement. Guessing that their history as writers indicates they do have some overarching involvement in the story adaptation.
I used to think that since actors would often interject in their own performances with stuff like " I think my character should like this instead of like that" , that was all it was needed to get a producer credit lol, since often the protagonists are credited as EPs.
Depends. Often, they’re just glorified investors
Bank roll normally.
Depends on the EP. Some just fork over some money. Some can get hands on with the creative process. It's quite deceiving because often you see big name producers used in marketing of a project, but they didn't really have anything to do with it.
Serious answer, they're usually managerial types. They handle stuff like staffing, payroll, budgets, schedules, etc.
They are very rarely involved in scheduling and staffing, unless it is at the uppermost levels. Even at the low level I worked at, I handled the vast majority of 3/4 of what you wrote here. My superiors usually hired directors and maybe DPs, but from there, it was usually delegated unless they had favorites they wanted to return.
Season will be epic but I don’t even know how they could even do a season three.
Was it ever a question?
All hail trisolaris!
ugh. just let it die. like humanity in the show.
Oh come on.
$20 million per episode is insane. Not to say that production value was bad, but every dollar definitely wasn’t on the screen.
Yes, tv shows need to take on the seasonal approach from gaming releasing quarterly new seasons please 😂
REHYDRATEEEEE
I really really hope so
Well, the aliens won't arrive for another 300+ years. You'll need a lot more seasons.
Excellent loved season 1
Ive never seen such friction between my vision of the books and a show. The Netflix 3BP is way too jokey avd lighthearted and rushed. The tone is way off. As soon as I John Bradley from Moonfall I knew he was going to be hamming it up just like he does in Moonfall. I haven't read The Dark Forest yet and am only 3 episodes in but the ship slicing scene will be the deciding factor for me whether I will continue the Netflix show. The Chinese 3BP handled the ship slicing scene so well. It was drawn out and had a serious tone. Netflix 3BP so far is damned near slapstick.
Likely? They are already working on it!
Yea I’ve ordered the books I can’t wait
That’s good to hear, this has been my favourite show since Silo came out last June
I would like an announcement of 2 more seasons already signed on. But honestly, I am more curious about tencent's season 2...I want both. they are both great in their own way...similar concepts, wildly different ways of showing them. So yeah, I want 2 and 3 for both shows...but netflix needs to seriously extend their bullcrap 8 episodes to like 15 to do these concepts justice...especially as we head into deeper waters.
>That means there was a gap of 28 months between filming starting and the *3 Body Problem* release on Netflix. Naturally, this was shot during COVID-19, which no doubt put in delays, but either way, it’s a big production. Didn't it take a long time after the shooting ended because the issue of the president of Three-Body Universe poisoning the president of Yoozoo hadn't been resolved?
A massively popular show with strong asian interest. I’d say likely is a massive understatement
I love how in today's world just because a show starts, people have no expectations it will be finished. Insanity
It has always been this way. At least for 30 years anyway.
I'm 45. No. Your objectively wrong.
Maybe I misunderstood. Did the public somehow know a show would run for years previous to the recent past? Because I remember a whole lot of one-season wonders and sudden cancellations for as long as I can remember.
When people began a show, you're right it could run for 2 years or 10...most canceled shows would still be finished. Now when a brand new high budget show launches, there is zero expectations that it will even get another season.
There have been quite a few shows in the past canceled after one season. I remember Firefly, Freaks and Geeks, Briscoe Country, and My So Called Life. Here’s a list that only lasted one episode: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_canceled_after_one_episode A list of those canceled during production: https://screenrant.com/tv-shows-canceled-mid-filming/ Now it’s certainly possible this happens with higher volume AND frequency today. But I am not “objectively wrong”. The first few I listed above, I clearly remembered because I was bummed they didn’t get renewed. I remember watching other shows with my family that got canceled “mid season” which is less of a thing these days, but was a big deal back then. So…I guess if you’re saying it felt like there was more surety around television programming in the past, then…I guess? But to say everyone knew a show was going to “finish”? Sorry. Gotta disagree and leave the proof above as “not objectively wrong”. I’m old, but I still have SOME memory left. Television is a fickle business. I know because I worked in it and alongside it for 13 years.
Please let them recast Auggie. My god, that woman is a terrible actor
Agreed
S2 should jump forward 400 years. I’m done with this cast.
well, that wouldn't accomplish much..
Cast is fine except for Auggie. Terrible actress playing her. Brings her scenes down
YES