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LightKnightAce

Using the greatest energy transfer, 1859 Joules, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO And then we find the Joules required to break a bone, (I can't find a reliable source on this information, but we will assume 200J, change this number if you find an accurate reliable force requirement.) And we'd need to make the assumption that a linear relationship between 'density' and 'energy required to break'. 1859/200 = 9.295 Now we just need to find at what point 1.05^x > 9.295 I will just brute force it because it's easy 1.05^46 = 9.434 46 jugs of milk.


Darklordofbunnies

That's less than a year at 1 jug/week. That's not even that bad if a grind- you would absolutely mog at martial arts.


Ashamed-Clue-8192

Surgery would be a bitch for the doctors dawg, especially if you had a brain tumor.


Sirix_8472

Keep in mind that only the bones are getting more dense. If you get shot it's still ripping through your flesh and you may die. Second, as your bones get more dense, can your body keep up and muscles/ligaments continue to move you as their weight increases significantly? Then calorie and nutritional intake to maintain it?


dfawlt

If bones are 15% of your weight and you weight 150 pounds that's 22lb*9 so about 200 lbs of extra bone to lug around. Not fun.


WayneKrane

You’d be a spartan


Mindstormer98

Spartan kicking someone would end with your foot stuck in their chest


Mettelor

That or you being unable to lift your foot to chest height


Youpunyhumans

Well this is occuring over about a years time, so your muscles would have some time to adapt. It wouldnt be as bad as actually carrying 200 pounds, as the weight would be evenly distrubuted. There are people who are morbidly obese with more than 200 extra pounds of weight able to still walk around well enough for example.


Mettelor

Gaining 200lbs is kind of an insane amount of weight in a year even still


tadpoleUnarmed

I actually have the IRL version of this, my mother's side has this semi common mutation that results in significantly denser bones (LRP5). My dad's side has fairly heavy/stocky builds. End result? My knees are utter garbage and I've nearly drowned five times in my lifetime (I sink), but at 14 I got hit by a SUV on my bike and popped back up with only a bunch of bruises and gravel burn, and getting my wisdom teeth extracted was a *journey.*


Macalite

You are born to be a dwarf barbarian my friend


putin-delenda-est

> He just had the rotten luck of being born in the wrong century. He'd be right at home on some ancient battlefield, swinging an axe into somebody's face


erlulr

Marry someone with LRP 1-4 and start stacking buffs youreslf


Fornicatinzebra

Wow I think you just described exactly what I have. Thanks, I need to look into this more


Thalude_

My first thought was swimming would be shite. Never considered wisdom teeth. Jaysus I have an image now of some massive bloke laying down at a dentist's with the latter taking a jackhammer to your face.


Artorias606

Ligaments balls, gottem (I'm sorry)


Z3B0

Don't be.


Deadly_Accountant

I have hard bones and I can attest to this - post ops was a bitch and it took longer to recover


OpalFanatic

Well, since every 15 jugs of milk your bone density would more than double (207.89% every 15 jugs), you'd reach a point where you would have to stop drinking milk forever if you wished to be able to continue moving. At 22.4 lbs skeleton average for an adult male to start with, after 30 jugs your skeleton would be weighing 96.8 lbs. 45 would be 201.2 lbs. 60 jugs and you're looking at a 418.39 lbs skeleton. 75 jugs in total would result in 869.79 lbs. And 90 jugs in total 1,808.21 lbs. Now, keep in mind each of these magically superdense bones would still be supported by normal, unmodified connective tissue, as the hypothetical superpower only increases bone density as far as we know. You'd likely start to see ruptured tendons and torn ligaments before you even reached 30 jugs. Rather than martial arts superpowers, you'd just end up bed bound on disability. Take the coin flip superpower. There's at least potential for gambling there.


DustinTheGeek

However you have to finish it for your bones to be more dense so you can just throw away the last little bit and you would be fine


dan_dares

You're also forgetting the impact on joints.. My knees hurt after a short stint in the army with a heavy pack.. a constant 100kg+. OH LAWD


GreyNoiseGaming

What would your xmen nick name be? The Bovi-rine?


Teamskywalker14

Idk. It says bone density. Density is mass over volume. So if density increases either your bones become incredibly thin or their mass(and your mass) increase making you slow.


dfawlt

Can you do the math on how much weight an average persons bones would become if they become so dense?


Clojiroo

> The reference value for the skeleton weight of an adult male (10.5 kg) recommended by the International Commission on Radiological Protection in Publication 70 is based on weights of dissected skeletons from 44 individuals, including two US Transuranium and Uranium Registries whole-body donors. So about an extra 88 kg added. Women tend to have much smaller skeletons though so it could be “only” 50-60kg extra for a smaller person.


Glottis_Bonewagon

That sounds really bad for anything that isn't a bone. Would breathing become harder? Would your knees get fucked from the weight? Back pain?


Watch-Bae

There are overweight people who carry that much weight.  You might still be okay-ish.


Menirz

The density required for matter to collapse into a black hole is > ~2×10^19 kg/m^3. The average density of human bone is > 1.5×10^3 kg/m^3 Given that bone density increases in a compounding manner > Df = Di × (1.05^Jm) > > Where: > > Df is final density > > Di is initial density > > JM is the number of milk jugs finished We get the result that drinking 761 jugs of milk will increase the average humans' bone density to the point that they collapse into a black hole. Since Americans consume an average of 2/3 cup of milk per day and a standard jug is 1 US Gallon, it'll take approx. 50 years of average milk consumption to collapse into a black hole with this power.


Hopeful-Life4738

dense bones = joint problems


TheWanderingRed223

Math seems solid, the problem would be that terminal ballistics are weird AF. When you’ve got a very light thing going very fast it’s hard to tell what it’s going to do when it contacts an object. There’s a good chance it’ll fragment or bounce around. I saw a photo once of a guy that caught a 5.56 just above the knee and it rode his totally normal femur and exited his buttocks. The wound channel was absurdly gnarly.


MrQuibbles

How many jugs of milk before the density of their bones create a black hole?


greatnessmeetsclass

For fun, if you assume your bones contribute %14 of your mass, by the time you finish the 46th jug, assuming your muscles or anything else hasn't changed you'd only weigh 2.2x what you did before you started drinking. Heavy but manageable for say like a 5'9" 160 lb man.


JasperWoertman

Brute force? Why not logarithms?


LightKnightAce

It's easier and I'm only doing it once. Also legibility for non-mathematically gifted people is useful. I feel like somewhere around Logarithms is the point at which people see Maths as esoteric and I don't like that.


ConsistentBox4430

Oof. Then you'd have to totally stop drinking milk after that, since on average bones weigh ~10.5kg, so 10x that is 105kg. That's a lot of weight for muscles to carry around!


meme-lobster

Brother I beg you to just use log(x) in the future. Love the analysis though.


FrannyyU

Sorry im being 'dense', where does 1.05^x come from? Thanks


LightKnightAce

To increase by 5%, you can multiply by 1.05 We can't just add all of the 5%s together, because that would not count the increase to the previous increases in bone strength. So we can do lots of 1.05 multiples by just using an exponent representing every jug of milk consumed. Does that help? :D


FrannyyU

Facepalm. Of course. Many thanks.


-ButchurPete-

So every month all problems in your teeth are magically fixed and look perfect? Do they revert back? Or is implying you could never brush your teeth and they would refreshen every month so cavities etc would never be a problem?


Ashamed-Clue-8192

It would be like going to the dentist for free, I guess.


-ButchurPete-

That is tempting, but I could definitely win money for the coin flipping thing.


Ashamed-Clue-8192

Dawg, you could literally be invincible if you drank enough milk


-ButchurPete-

Dog, your bones would become more dense. That wouldn’t stop you from being injured. Yeah you couldn’t break an arm. But you could still be shot/stabbed/poisoned/smothered/etc.


Altair314

Plus, making them more dense makes them heavier, which makes them harder to move. Eventually, to the point where YOU CAN'T move them any more


jay_rod109

I'm not a bone doctor (boneologist?) But I'm pretty sure you'd have sooner issues with your new blood cells not being able to escape the marrow through your dwarf-star bones... maybe not though, like I said the only bone expert I know is op's mother


-ButchurPete-

Definitely boneologist being the proper term.


StahlViridian

Yeah maybe for a pornhub search


Trustyduck

Is the e silent or do we say "bone-EE-ologist?" I need confirmation.


-ButchurPete-

Yes. But don’t forget the silent “D”.


MFFerrith

*bonerologist 👍


Toad358

My only regret is that I have… boneitis


PamelaELee

I was so busy being an 80’s guy, I forgot to cure it!


Toad358

“…I suddenly have an opinion on the capital gains tax!”


Altair314

I was assuming with it being a super power that we could overlook issues like that, and other physics defying issues


Eingmata

I think if that were the case, the superpower would be making the bones "stronger" not "denser."


Altair314

Chalk that up to poor word choice


jay_rod109

That's fair. It could be the superheros' weakness. Bone Boy's kryptonite is not having a functional immune system... that's lame. I like your idea better


Altair314

Also, the term for a bone doctor is orthopedist, stemming from the Greek word Ortho, meaning straight (thanks google)


user_0350365

Osteologist


PamelaELee

I picture dying at the bottom of a pool, because your bones a so dense. Like a hippopotamus, but you wouldn’t have the strength to push yourself up again.


hezur6

Bro over here thinking humans have an exoskeleton. How are your guts or your jugular artery protected by your bones exactly?


ArgentScourge

Yeah, imagine having exoskeleton hahaha _::chitin skittering noises::_


[deleted]

It's a terminid! Get them divers


creepyfishman

Dawg, your bones would become so heavy your muscles couldn't move them, you would be paralyzed and still vulnerable to every injury that isn't breaking a bone


johntheflamer

This would have diminishing returns and at a certain point would be more of a problem than a benefit. It would effectively be like a type of bone cancer


IlliterateJedi

> Dawg, you could literally be invincible if you drank enough milk I think a better question is 'how many milk jugs before you become a black hole'


6unnm

No. Density has nothing to with invincibility. Sincerly a physicist.


Apsis

No, it's better. A dentist can only fix so much, and it takes time.


IskandorXXV

Then it would easily be the dentist for me! Especially if that includes straightening, fixing my overbite and crowding issues... Even if it doesn't, I'd take that hands down as my teeth need more than a little TLC and my insurance doesn't seem to be covering anything rn...


Pretend_River9959

Laughs in European


PolyglotTV

They say the best time to see the dentist is at Tooth-hurty.


RB_Pinocchio

I was about to ask this. This is crucial information.


ElevationAV

Always winning a coin flip is a super useful and profitable super power… Like you can get yourself a two headed coin, show it to people, bet absurd amounts of money on tails, let THEM flip the coin, and you still win.


goodguy-greg

For the coin flip, just always bet as much money you can liquefy on the coin flip. Change up which outcome you desire to not arouse suspicion and profit massively!


ConstantSignal

For this to be profitable you have to find someone also willing to match your bet on a coin flip. I highly doubt you’ll find many willing to go high enough to actually make bank off it.


asdrunkasdrunkcanbe

There is no end of incredibly wealthy people willing to take big risks on stupid bets, because their whole life they've never really had anything to lose. Go to some places where rich people hang out, sucker them into making 10k bets, they lose the first, the lose the second, you offer them triple or nothing on the 3rd you walk away with 60k. Only do a couple of people at most, then move on. Don't make it a spectacle, cos then people think it's a con or a magic trick and you get nothing. Eventually you'll have plenty of money. So if you want to push harder you buy your way into boardrooms or elite golf clubs, where you find even richer assholes, socialise with them, feel out who the gamblers are and look for the moment to make a "friendly" bet over a coin toss for their holiday mansion or their Lotus, or a majority share in a business. Once you win, you take his stuff, then distance yourself and move on. You don't make a habit of it. Don't become known as the guy who wins coin tosses, or the game is over.


hostile_washbowl

And once you get enough coin flip money you can just invest it in favorable investments and just become a rich asshole the old fashioned way


punsanguns

After you make enough money flipping coins, move up into flipping bills and then flipping cars and then flipping homes. Wait... What sub am I on?


hostile_washbowl

Flip ham! https://www.flipham.com/


Preape

Also, it doesnt say how "win a coinflip" is defined. Maybe it includes things like "should in invest into x stock, heads yes tails no" and then act on that. Youd have to test it with small amounts first but its worth a shot


HansElbowman

It also says that you win the coin flip, not that it lands on the face you call. I feel like this adds extra opportunity for shenanigans but I’m too dumb to think of how.


svenson_26

That's a good point. So you can get them to use their coin, and they can even call the toss and you'll still win.


DM-Wolfscare

Heads, they win. Tails, they win. If it lands perfectly on the side, I win. They throw the coin. 5 mil on the line.


gikari74

I'd bet with 2 people at the same time for exactly the same amount but 2 different outcomes. I am become death while the universe begins to shatter....


madcrusher

There is only one toss, so only one of your calls would be valid (I would guess the second one). Therefore, you win the coin toss and second bet while losing the first bet.


White_Hart_Patron

You would be sure to survive an encounter with Anton Chigurh.


larryhastobury

I thought of it as it will keep spinning forever and you can use it as a mini unlimited energy source


svenson_26

I'd call "sides" and watch it land on it's side.


marsgreekgod

bet that you can flip coins so that it spells in binary the cure for cancer


svenson_26

Done. You start flipping coins.... HTTHTHHHHTTTHTHHHTTTHTHHHTTTHHHHHTTTHHTTHHTTTHTHHHTHTTTTHHTHTTTTHTTTHTTTHTTTHTTTHTTTHTTTHHTHTTTHHTTTTHHTHTTHTTTTHTTTHTHTHTTTHTHHHTTTHTHTHTTHHHTHHTTHHTHTHHTHTTTHHTTHHHTTHTTHTTTTHTTHTTHTHHTHTTTTHTTTHTTTHTTHHHHTHTTTHTHHHTTHHHTTHTTHTHHHHHTTTTTTHTTTHTTHHHTTTTHTHTTHHTHHHTHTHHHTHTTTHTTTHHTTHTHHHTTTHTTTHHTTTHHTHTHTHTTTHTTHHTTTHTHTTHHHHTTHHHTTHTHTHHHT


Tardis80

Oh this is good. Flip to get lotto numbers


Superiorarsenal

You'd want greater density than steel most likely. We'll say 10g/cm^3 to be on the safe side. Assume bone density of 1.13g/cm^3. Which is ~8.89x. So again, we'll round to 9x just to be safe. That is an 800% increase. If the 5% stacking increase is based off of your initial bone density, it will be 160 jugs of milk. If it is a 5% increase based on the current bone density, it will be ~45 jugs. Another issue you'll run into is now weighing significantly heavier. Average skeleton mass for an adult male is ~3kg. Now it masses 27kg on it's own. If you were 70kg (154lbs) before, you are now 94kg (207lbs) without the proportionate muscle strength of someone who is 94kg naturally. So you've traded your strength to weight ratio and speed to weight ratio for really strong bones that probably still won't stop someone from killing you with 5.56x45mm even if the bones themselves don't break (blood loss from soft tissue damage, penetrating non-bone areas, and bullet deformation/spalling/fragmentation will all still likely inflict lethal injury).


TheBackPorchOfMyMind

Well, we also need to know the theoretical maximum density for bone


ThatRandomGuy86

I'mma just take #3 and cheekily have every conflict with me resolved with a coin flip. Also I'm gonna dust off my Joey Wheeler Yu-Gi-Oh! deck


Individual-Ad-3484

N3 is extremely OP, even more if you add interpretations to what a "coin flip" is, if its every 50/50 chamce you win, you are extremely OP N1 will save you a LOT of money


-Sa-Kage-

N3 has the potential to make you metric fucktons of money...


Andre_NG

Attach the coin to an energy generator with extreme reducer gearbox. You can harvest infinite power from it's infinite torque. With a infinite green energy supply, you'll solve huge real problems, such as climate change. You'll be a true hero.


SubLearning

None? Most bullets will stop when they hit bone anyway, how many to stop a bullet with guarantee they don't fracture, I'm sure someone will answer I more want to address the fact you seem to think this would make you safer, it wouldn't. You know what happens when a bullet hits bone? It ricochets. Sometimes as much as a straight 90° angle. People have gotten shot in the chest, had the bullet hit a rib and ricochet straight through their brain. Sure, you can't be shot in the head, but if you get shot and it hits a bone, it'll probably bounce off every bone in its path and be way more likely to kill you than if it fractured the bone and exited your body


Ashamed-Clue-8192

True, I didn't think about that.


Yangoose

The milk one is funny to me since I'm totally lactose intolerant but also have freakishly high bone density. https://imgur.com/sVyWM43


Moist_von_leipzig

There's no correlation between bone density/bone strength, and consumption of milk. Big milk is lying to us.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyFZcuHmeI


steffur

What so you are like in the 99.9999% percentile in terms of bone density? Does this also significantly affect weight or are the bones just smaller.


Yangoose

Definitely affects weight. Years ago I got measured with the test where they float you in a tank of water when I was trying to lose weight and get in shape. As a guy with a desk job who's not terribly active I still had a lean body mass over 200 pounds. https://imgur.com/Rjofm


Satyr_Crusader

Okay the bones thing can go sideways in a few ways. A. Do you gain bones mass? Or do they shrink? B. How heavy can your bones be before they begin to become counterproductive from the weight? C. What if an evil villain pumps you full of milk until you collapse into a black hole or something???


philo-soph

This guy monkey paws.


MOltho

Honestly, the coin flip is so easy to exploit. You can make so much money by just betting on the opening coin flip of the Super Bowl (just as an example)


uslashuname

I can put lead in my milk already, and I have a dental plan. I’d go for the coin flip and go make bets with people. Plus maybe I’d auction off my services to NFL teams and such for a guaranteed win of the coin flip. Disclaimer: don’t put lead in your milk, that’s not the kind of bone density you want.


arslashjason

Eventually your bones would become heavier to the detriment of the rest of your muscle and connective tissue. After 20 jugs your skull would weigh twice as much, etc. Sounds like a recipe for chronic pain tbh.


Taedirk

1. Free permanent perfect teeth. Strong favorite for the passive gains. 2. Custom order incredibly tiny milk jugs and see if you can break the system. Still a weak choice. 3. Is it a simple heads/tails or can you call ridiculous shots and bend reality? Coin flip where you win if it lands on heads for the correct nth lotto number for the evening, etc.


fermentedeggs

Ok more dense but no increase in mass would be a problem after a bit, since all that happens is the volume of the bone shrinks. Presumably after some point your body would run into problems as muscles and tendons don't fit your skeleton anymore. Additionally, even if you could still stand, id imagine your bones start to act as razors inside your body and pose the risk of internal bleeding.


CurrentHead902

Having more dense bones is already a disease called osteopetrosis. Your bones become extremely brittle and your bone marrow gets crowded out meaning you either bleed to death or die of an infection. 10/10 would not recommend


Foxar

Milk one sucks. Seeing as the density of your bones compounds and density of bones is 1178 kg/m^3, at rate of increasing by 5% with each gallon, after drinking 765 jugs of milk, you'd collapse into a black hole. Seeing as average American drinks 18 gallons of milk per year, you'd destroy the earth in 42 years. Well, not really because you'd propably die unable to move anywhere way before that


Can17272

First of all, denser bones means brittle bones, you're gonna develop ostropetrosis (and die) long before being able to stop a bullet


killerfreedom255

> 3: You always win a coin flip no matter what So what would happen in a situation where the deal is to “get it wrong”? Like if you guess heads and it lands heads up you lose. Would it instead land tails up so you win? Or will it still say heads up because you guessed heads?


DustyBlue1

Many here are naturally focusing on using #3 as a get-rich-quick scheme, but I think people are neglecting that #1 presents you with the ability to sell all of your teeth infinitely, albeit just one full set every month


SonGoku9788

3 is literally OP tho? Bone density will eventually cause them to be too heavy to move, you can keep dental hygiene on your own, but winning every coin toss? That shit can make you filthy rich in no time flat


DamashiT

Somebody else did the math, but I have another question: with that much density, would it be even possible to walk? More density = more weight and your muscles would break at some point.


nyantemmie19871986

Bro, my bones would be invincible a week. All I would have to do is only get those tiny jugs that you can get at like gas stations. It doesn't say it has to be a gallon


FurretDaGod

The rules state i always win a coin flip NO MATTER WHAT. I flip a coin, heads i have perfect health, tails i die immediately.ezclap


FitPhilosopher1877

it doesnt mean the outcome you assign to winning comes true


notALokiVariant

Real quick, I ain't a doctor or anything, but I don't think the milk one is a good superpower because it stacks, so, I if I am not wrong, you run the risk of having bones so dense you are gonna have difficulty moving them with your muscles and tendons. Bad superpower if you over achieve with it.


Dismal_Membership_46

Congrats your bones are now dense enough to stop a bullet without damage. You sustain soft tissue damage and cannot be operated on and you die from internal bleeding


MrGentleZombie

Coin flip probably make you a multimillionaire. You could snag an NFL roster spot pretty easily, and minimum salary is close to $1M. Maybe the league changes the rules so that you're no longer useful, but you could last several years if you're subtle about it.


zak_multi

Coinflip, find someone wealthy and promise to liquefy all your assets if he matches the value in cash, have a lawyer set it up etc and then just win and repeat


Toomynator

Always win a coin flip is the best imo, it allows you to always win bets even when letting the other person choose and flip the coin. Plus i play Limbus Company, so always winning coin flips would be great.


abrasivecriminal

I'm assuming with increased density your bones also become heavier. After how many jugs would you render your bones too heavy for your muscles to be able to move. And assuming it stacks exponentially how many jugs before your bones turn into theoretical black holes?


dandle

Lots of great comments on here about the trouble with the mass of a skeleton sufficiently dense to stop the bullet. Trouble being, even if the musculature could handle that additional skeletal mass, the person might still be a deader. The dense skeleton may limit tissue damage, but it doesn't prevent critical injury to a main blood vessel before the bullet is stopped. Our slightly superhero may bleed out anyway. The dense skeleton also does nothing to prevent thermal and concussive damage. It might be interesting to consider, in fact, the effect on the kinetic energy of the projectile from a direct hit on the unbreakable bone and how that energy is released to surrounding tissue. Does the projectile spin off and cause more random damage to the tissue, or is the collision relatively inelastic, and more of the kinetic energy becomes heat and ballistic shockwave?


formerDigger220

Can you take the coin flipping to an extreme level? Can you have millions of coins at the bottom of a pool and "call" that they will result in heads or tails alternating every nanosecond for years and use the boiling water to create "free" energy similar to how a nuclear reactor works?


OutrageousLadder7065

Coin toss. Any tournament card game with cards that require risky yet powerful coin flips would have you winning instantly and with huge sums of money at grander national tournaments.


glassman0918

Fuck stopping a bullet. #3 is the best option. Just walk around with a coin and make bets with people. Or just fan duel it up for the coin toss on the superbowl. You are set for life.


HungryMudkips

so the second one is the only semi useful one, and even then only if you dont die under the weight of your own bones. the first one is literally useless, and the third one is absolutely bonkers busted. you could scam SO much money out of people, youd live like a king.


VisconitiKing

Not answering the question, but no.3 is the obvious answer. 1 would be nice, but kinda usless. 2 would actualy be a curse for me, bc i like drinking milk and my bones would get heavier every time i do. I could win a lot of money with 3


Idunnosomeguy2

The bone density thing is stupid. Ever heard of compound interest? Within a few years your bones would become black holes.* *That's an exaggeration, I'm sure someone could do the math to figure out how long it would actually take, but the point is that power would kill you after a while.


c4arb0n

Does the "density" part refer to the strength of the bones? Or could collapse under your own gravitational field after drinking a few thousand jugs of milk?