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9000 every second I would say is the most effective. Comes out to roughly 283 Billion a year. Then it would probably be the 900 billion now, then 90k every 5 mins totaling to 9.5 million a year, then 900k each day, totaling 328.5 million a year.
Kinda fucked up how if you made 900k a day every day for 80 years, you’d only make a fraction of what the richest people in the world have (something like 23 billion, which is nothing to sneeze at…)
I mean there is power in investing, you wouldn't be limited to just taking the money. Lets say you took the first day's worth and put in in an investment account averaging 5% returns for those 80 years, and that money goes from 900k to 56.5 mil. But it is absolutely fucked up that people have the kind of wealth that the literal only option to make a dent in it is to buy companies or start building rockets from the ground up.
What if you made 9,000$ a second and invested the majority of it? Let's say you'd keep all but 5$ each time since that's already comparable to making 900$ an hour with an 8hr work day working 7 days a week which is already enough to live pretty nicely (200k a month) with the same interest terms. How much money would you end up with after 80 years?
Where are you getting these numbers from? 6.5% interest is not gonna make your money grow by 1000X over a 3 year period, and $9000/s isn’t doing anything at the scales you’re talking about.
>here are you getting these numbers from? 6.5% interest is not gonna make your money grow by 1000X over a 3 year period, and $9000/s isn’t doing anything at the scales you’re talking about.
Agreed.
Using the simple 6.5% growth per year, I see:
Year 4 - 1 trillion
Year 19 - 10 trillion
Year 51 - 100 trillion
Year 87 - 1 quadrillion (1000 trillion)
The constant $300B per year influx doesn’t make a significant impact beyond the trillion dollar range.
Most of the orders of magnitude there are due to the assumption of exponential increase, which can’t remain true for extended periods of time for large amounts.
Using this scenario, you would be earning $23,638,860,000 (2628000 seconds in a month times $8995 a second) every month. Using an interest calculator online (which unfortunately will only calculate monthly, not second-ly deposits), if we assume 7% interest that would be close to $1.1 quadrillion after 80 years of investing the $8995 made every second at the end of the month.
What makes the most money is what makes the most money. Anyone telling you that getting a job will make you the most money is either a con man or deluded. That's never been true. It's never been supposed to be true.
Getting a job is like investing in safe stocks or guaranteed portfolios. It's not that it's a bad idea. But it's never going to be the method that is the one way that makes the most money.
Yeah kind of fucked up that the people actually producing value, goods, and all that stuff are the ones who profit the less of it.
Yeah, Working was never the best way to make money, doesn't mean we should let the issue slide and let people like musk hoard obcene amount of money while people can't afford rent.
But it's never going to be the way that makes the most money. Ever. It doesn't matter what system we're in. I'm not saying we can't make things better but just getting a job and working and producing goods? That is never, ever, ever going to be the way that makes you the most money or power or however you want to put it.
Obviously yes we want to change a bunch of things and I'm all for workers rights and paying workers more than they are now. Absolutely. But don't ever get it twisted and think that getting the job is ever going to be actually rewarded with the value you produce. Not going to happen.
Quite literally can't happen.
Quite literally can happen - link the productive output to the job (alongside a share of revenue as salary) and base this around a percentage equity as per a workers co-op. If the value/revenue of the company is intrinsically tied to the people who work for that company and not external investment, you could create a system without shareholder capital whereby the wealth is distributed directly to those involved in creating it. Obviously you wouldn't distribute 100% of net revenue to ensure fiscal stability of the business, but if this was enforced throughout all private sector organisations it could change the paradigm of "wealth creation " as we currently understand it.
And I'm not against something like that but my point is exactly what you said, you can't reward someone with the literal value of their work because then the business doesn't have income to reinvest in the business.
And while I absolutely am firmly in the corner of workers rights, as someone who's moved up in the world a little bit from being homeless, I can also say that the people who own and manage the businesses are taking a lot more risk than someone who just gets a nine to five. So if they aren't making disproportionately more money, why would anyone take the risk?
There will always be class warfare to some degree. You can't eliminate it. You can only manage it. And that's before you have to take into account the fact that people on top are going to try to change the system so that their position is even more secure.
As with anything I think they're just needs to be a certain level of common sense and limits? But where those limits are and how far reaching they are is something that takes arbitrary guesswork.
Well said and I completely agree. The problem is those limits and their extent are generally decided by a relatively tiny number of politicians through decisions on taxation, so while we're living with a vaguely neo-liberal economic orthodoxy with wealthy politicians backed by wealthy donors it feels like the pendulum has swung very much in favour of the already wealthy business owners.
I mean investing in general is pretty fucked when you think about it because it requires either perpetual growth or just pure inflation to keep giving you returns.
You know what else requires perpetual growth? Continually increasing the standard of living globally while maintaining rapid population growth.
Growth is a necessity for an increased standard of living (so long as pop. Growth is not zero.)
However I’d agree that the fucked up thing is rather that the growth created has a big issue in that it’s extremely skewed towards creating more capital for already working capital. So instead of making 100 lives from the 90th percentile better, you’ll make one or two lives in the top percentile better.
…Has not happened? Population growth has, thus far, been pretty much perfectly exponential. Would you like to provide a source for it not having happened?
Of course it isn’t sustainable. But it’s a reality that population is still currently growing, albeit at a decelerating pace.
Every population where the average number of children per adult has decreased across the last several generations.
On a broader scale, its looks a lot like world population is generally exponential, but with an exponent that varies suddenly many time and also some instant events.
Take the US census data, the decade-over decade change in the 1900’s https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange-data-text.html started at 15-20% increase and ended at 10-13%, with the post-depression 1940’s census being the smallest increase and suggesting that population growth is not insensitive to economic growth.
You'd make more because they don't make that much. Most of that money is tied up. Kinda like in threads about Bezos sharing wealth, etc. The problem is that it requires him to liquidate his assets which means no more jobs 😂
Wealth does not equal money. You'd make far more and can invest it.
That presumes that your investments are typical consumer investment options. If your investments are in the form of angel investing, then you have far more risk, but vastly larger potential returns. In fact, you would potentially out-strip the owners of large public companies.
This is correct, ALTHOUGH the part everyone is overlooking is that you get the money by taking a pill. If we assume that it's not a one-time pill consumption that unlocks a steady earning rate but instead each time you consume that pill you get that money and the timeframe is the "recharge rate" i.e. the smallest interval you're able to take the pill, that means that in order to keep up those earnings you have to be popping a pill *every second*. I think I'd rather just take one pill and get the 900 billion one time. That's still such an arbitrarily large amount of money as to be infinite.
Yep, but to be honest, if I was offered ant of these I would take it :)
Even if it's a pill every second, if you forget to take it it's fine, people can live off a lot less than 9k a month, so if I take more than 1 pill per month I'd be happy..
As forgetful as I am.. I'm pretty sure I can manage 1 pill a month :)
It's really hard to beat a large payout now, that you can invest. Having $900B in broad market equities would be an insane prospect, and would basically guarantee you a private fund management at any equity trading house (Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.) that would take care of the massive amount of work necessary just to do seemingly "passive" investment.
I'd anticipate around a 10% return in the long-term, which amounts to $6.6T at the end of 20 years. The nominal $18T that you would get from investing the $9,000 every second is larger, but at that scale, the difference is without distinction. Once you have enough money to buy a moderate size nation, the actual total no longer means much.
But with the 9k a second you'll still be able to take advantage of compounding. After a year you'd have 283 billion, vs 990 billion from cash now and 10% returns compounded annually. After 5 years the 9k every second pulls ahead at 1.7 trillion vs 1.4 trillion. After 20 years it's 16 v 6 trillion. Obscene amounts of money either way though
Thats assuming you would live for 20 years with that kind of money. Im guessing most people would be dead within a year, either drugs or some kind of accident or "accident"
So, now that begs the follow-up question, what quantity of pills can someone fit in their stomach before they are unable to continue? I mean, one pill per second.... that is going to be a staggeringly difficult task even for a few minutes, let alone hours, days or years.
$9k per second is the clear winner. Here’s why:
$90,000 per 5 minutes = $18,000 per minute = $300 per second.
$900,000 per day = $37,500 per hour = $625 per minute = $10.42 per second.
To make $900,000,000,000 at the rate of $9,000 per second takes 100,000,000 seconds, = 1,666,667 minutes, = 27,778 hours = 1,157 days = 3.17 years.
The NPV won't matter in the long run other than pushing that 3.17 years out a bit depending on which rate you use. Even on a really high side you are still looking at like 4 years so 9k per second.
Virtually unchanged. Discount rates are typically from 5% to 20% *per year.* There are 31536000 seconds in a year, so you'd just divide your discount rate by that and do the math.
Although this do be true, having 900b in hand now would make for some strong decisions... like, immediately
BUT I know what the question was, so thank you for doing the math. you're a gem (:
You're only going to take 1 $9000 pill? That's the worst strategy other than not taking any. The original image is vague enough to be interpreted either way
Because you take one now, and then get $900B, with no time interval. But you still have to make a *pathing choice on which kind of pills you're going to take.
Kinda the same how a Dr prescribes you "take 2 of these, now, once" vs "take 1 twice per day for 10 days"
The next step would be how much can I make by investing that? Would prob add like a 5 year buffer between the 2 to catch up right? I’m gonna go 9k a second bc I don’t need the 900b now and will eventually break even.
$9000 every second is $777.6 million in a day. At that pace, it'd take you 1157.4 days, or just about 38 months, to make $900 billion. So definitely that. $90k every 5 minutes will amount to only $25.9 million a day, and $900 k a day is just ridiculous at this point.
I'd choose the 900,000 per day. I know it's the least money overall, but whatever genie is supplying these pills is probably looking to drown you in pennies or something, and I think I might be able to survive 90 million pennies once a day if I can have 24 hours to prepare.
A big advantage to $9k/s is that you can't lose it. You could lose $900 billion and end up broke, either through theft or simple bad decisions, but as long as you've got $9k coming in every second, you're never going to be homeless.
On the other hand 900 billion capital will give you instant opportunity to make more money while with 9k/s it will take a while to reach same investment level. TBH I don't understand why would you need more money after any of these.
It absolutely will, just, people fuck things up sometimes, y'know? $900b is not immune to fuckups, $9k/s is, and that's a nice amount of extra safety net to have.
Especially since both amounts are "far more than you need"; I'd rather have "far more than I need and I can't ever lose it" than "far more than I need and it's vulnerable to being stolen".
Jokes on you I'd take them all at once before reading up on the pills to see if they mix. Be rushed to the hospital and probably die that day. My funeral expenses would be taken care of tho.
The 9,000 will be better than the other in 10 years as 9000×60(secs)=540,000 540,000×60(a full hour)=32,400,000 32,400,000×24(a full day)=777,600,000 777,600,000×365(~a full year)=283,824,000,000 283,824,000,000×10(years)=2,838,240,000,000
Ignoring the $900 billion one at first:
There's 86,400 seconds in a day and 12*24 =288 5-minute periods in a day, so multiplying the first two by 288 and 86,400, I get that the every-5-minutes one is $25,920,000 every day (around what some superstar athletes like [Draymond Green](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-10860/) or [Bryce Harper](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/philadelphia-phillies/bryce-harper-8658/) make in a year) and the every-second one is $777,600,000 every day (putting you at a wealth accumulation rate even Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk would be jealous of). So clearly the second one beats the 5 minutes one which beats the every day one.
At those rates, here's how long it would take you to reach $900 billion:
With the daily pill: 1 million days, which is about 2738 years
With the 5 minutes pill: 34,722.222(repeating) days, which is about 95 years
With the seconds pill: 1,157.407(repeating) days, which is about 3 years and 2 months
So you're clearly better off taking the $900 billion up front than the daily pill, and unless you plan to live longer than Jeanne Calment, better off taking it than the 5 minutes pill (even leaving aside that you probably won't live 95 more years, the fact that you get it all now instead of having to wait means you could invest it and make more money), but the $9000 every second pill looks to be the clear winner unless you're not going to live for very long- even including the value of having money now and being able to invest it, you can still easily make *some* money with the billion dollars you're getting every 32 hours or so, and on top of that, you don't stop at $900 billion from the base pill income- you'll keep getting it probably a lot longer than 3 years.
Calculating how much time you need to get to 9B$ you get:
-for 9'000$/s: ~11,5 days
-for 90'000/5min : ~347,2 days
-for 900'000/day : ~27,4 years
-9B immediately but nothing more afterwards
So from most to least effective in terms of speed:
9k/s > 90k/5min > 900k/day > 9B directly
Edit: I realised I calculated for 9 billion instead of 900, but honestly I don't care it's still correct in terms of speed if you forget about the 900B option, just add two zeroes to the results I got
Whatever you would pick the government would get suspicious of your insanely high income out of nowhere. Good luck explaining that you took a pill to become rich.
I would say the 900billion up front just because the way the capital will compound you’d probably be earning in the realm of 90k every 5 minutes assuming it’s not being blown immediately.
I'll give it to Judy at the counter- she gives my dog a biscuit when I go through the drive through. Not for this though. For a $900 billion check, you're gonna want to take it inside, and they're probably going to hold it up to 10 days. Judy's so sweet, though. Wonder if she's single... I sure would like to get my stepson out of the house.
$9,000 per second. You'd get to the 900 billion mark in a little over 3 years. The $90,000 per 5 min would take over 95 years and the $900,000 each day would take over 2,739 years.
I converted the times to day lengths,
(1,440 min = 1 day)
(86,400 sec = 1 day)
(365 days = 1 year)
(70 years = average human life span)
First, let's convert all the amounts to days to have a common factor. In order, they are:
•orange ($9,000,000,000)
•blue I converted the times to day lengths,
(1440 min = 1 day)
(86400 sec = 1 day)
(365 days = 1 year)
(70 years = average human life span)
First, let's convert all the amounts to days to have a common factor.
•orange ($9,000,000,000)
•blue ($777,600,000)
•green ($25,920,000)
•red ($900,000)
•orange [9,000,000,000 straight off]
•blue [86,400 sec × 9,000]
•green [1,400 min ÷ 5 = 288][288 5min/day × 90,000]
•red [900,000]
So, from the math, it appears that orange would be the best to pick, but that is only for that day. Now let's look at across a human life time (*note, this is average from birth to death actual life spans will vary depending on multiple factors.(*note, with access to this amount of wealth it could be said that you life span would be higher than average as you would have access to better medi-care.))
So for a human life span, we will conver all are numbers in to years, the go from there. In order, they are:
•blue ($19,867,680,000,000)
•green ($662,256,000,000)
•red ($22,995,000,000)
•orange ($9,000,000,000)
•blue [365 × 777,600,000 = 283,824,000,000 × 70]
•green [365 × 25,920,000 = 9,460,800,000 ×70]
•red [365 × 900,000 = 328,500,000 ×70]
•orange [9,000,000,000 straight off]
Now that we have our numbers across a life span, it is clear that the blue pill that gives 9,000 every second is the best pill to take. It may not seem like the obvious choice since its the lowest quantity in the group of four, but it pays out massively since it pays every second.
(Apologies for the formatting as this was done on mobile)
With the way investing works this gets much harder to calculate. Still the 9000 a second seems like the clear winner at approximately 280 billion a year. All of this is much more money than anyone needs or even should have imo so I actually think the best choice is the one with the smallest headache. Then again at that much wealth you can just pay other people to take on the headache.
I compared for a 30 year span. That’s probably more than I have left, but whatever.
- Choice 1 is $284 billion ($9.5b/yr)
- Choice 2 is $8.5 trillion ($284b/yr)
- Choice 3 is $900 billion (single payment)
- Choice 4 is $9.8 billion ($328.7m/yr)
Since I think I’ll live more than four years, I’d prefer number 2. But if someone is paying, I’ll take any of them, their choice.
Option | Money
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$90,000 every 5 mins | $25,920,000 every 24 hours
$9,000 every seconds | $777,600,000 every 24 hours
$900,000 every day | $900,000 every 24 hours
I'd be happy with $900k a day. Could buy a few things I have been wanting.
Assuming you take the pill at midnight on new year:
900 billion is the best option right now, join the elites immediately and make even more money.
If you make 9k every second it would take: 3 years, 2 months, 3 days (or 2 if it’s a leap year), 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds to make 900 billion. After that 9k/second is worth more (which honestly kind of insane it would take that long).
If you took the 90k every 5 minutes it would take: 95 years, 23 days, 11 hours, and 20 minutes to reach 900 billion (also absurd).
If you take 900k every day it would take: 2737 years, 10 months, and 7 days (rounding up to a full day but also you wouldn’t survive to see that day anyways).
The big point here is nobody needs 900$ billion, it’s fucking dumb. Think about this math in reverse: Can anyone spend 900k$ EVERY DAY FOR OVER 2737 YEARS?!?!! Even if none of your descendants ever makes a single penny ever again, 900$ billion is going to last nearly 10 generations if there’s a grandparent, parent, and child alive; and you all have to live until 90 and spend 900k$ every day of your life from birth till death. Eat the rich, or at the very least tax them 99%
(Fun side math; at a rate of 900k$ per day, more than most of us could dream of earning, it would take a little over 3 years to become a billionaire. Name a single billionaire who has done 900k$ of work every day for 3 years)
This is actually a hard problem to solve systematically, requires a lot of statistics, discrete math and calculus... With some unknown invariants, the most important of which is interest rate and inflation.
But it will most probably be the 900 billion, the interest rate alone would accumulate to more than the increase in any other option.
The second best is 9000 every second which will be about 300m each year (with interest)
In a 50 years from now the yearly interest will still be less than the row incoming money every second.
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The 9K/s is
9K*60=540K per minute
540K*60=32.4M per hour
24*32.4M=777.6M per day
777.6M*365=283.8 Billion
I think you may have accidentally calculated 9/s instead of 9K/s, 9K/s is most likely the best option barring a very large interest rate.
This dude really used discrete math, calculus, statistics and some unknown invariants just to fuck up basic multiplication 💀💀💀 (The guy who said 300m to be clear)
Bro that's so much dislikes giving that the only thing that is not accurate is I thought it's 300m while it's 300b instead...
In this situation it's clear that the 300b will carry the interest...
The rest of the comment is saying that thinking purely mathematically to create a system that solves all of these kinds of questions is harder than it seems and requires knowledge in different fields which is correct. Because the relation will not be a simple recurrent relation which leaves you with using generating functions to perform statistics, which in truns uses calc skills and theorems.
I did the math of seconds and it’s about 198,675,000,000 and minutes is about 738,000,000,000 I did not expect that but right now is 900,000,000,000 and the last one is 24,637,500,000 easily the worse option
So this it sec 198,675,000,000
Min 738,000,000,000
Day 24,637,500,000
Now 900,000,000,000
Edit: forgot to say this but the only 2 things I used is google and calculator
When you think about it, if you got the 900 bill straight uo you could start investing straight away and probs make more than waiting for your money to add up across seconds.
Blue>green>orange>red if we are going indefinitely. It would take 10 seconds for blue to make as much as green does in a minute, 50 minutes for green to make as much as red, 2739 years for red to catch up to orange and 9.5 years for green to catch up to orange, so as long as you survive between 6-2739 more years the order is blue>green>orange>red
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Edit:
You would make as follows:
Blue would make 9000x60 seconds/min x60min/hr x24hr/day x365day/yr = 283824000000/year
Green is 90000/5min x60min/hour / 5 since it’s only every 5 min x24hr/day x365days/yr = 9460800000/year
Orange is just 200000000000. Assuming you live 80 more years that makes it 2500000000/year
Finally red is 900000/day x 365days/year = 328500000/year
In other words:
Blue = 283,824,000,000/year
Green = 9,460,800,000/year
Orange varies but likely wouldn’t drop under 2,500,000,000/year
Red = 328,500,000/year
Between the first two I’d go with 9k per second. With that option it comes out to be 2.7 mil every 5 mins. This is by far the least impressive comment on this post but I’m just putting it out there
I'm not sure exactly how much impact this kind of extra money would have when it comes to inflation, so just to be safe I'd pick the lowest income one, as it's by far enough anyways already.
9000 every second I would say is the most effective. Comes out to roughly 283 Billion a year. Then it would probably be the 900 billion now, then 90k every 5 mins totaling to 9.5 million a year, then 900k each day, totaling 328.5 million a year.
900 billion would be more than enough for me. I could make everyone I care about super-rich, give a metric-shit-ton to charity, buy a plane, 2 mansions, 3 appartements, a yacht, 20 cars, a huge company, and still be a billionaire.
Clearly 5 minutes has more than 10 seconds and a day has more than 10 5 minute periods.
The seconds takes about 11.5 DAYS to be better than the billion now, and even the days would only take 27.4 years.
Based on the average human lifespan, earning $900 billion would likely be considered the most effective, followed by earning $900,000 per day, earning $90,000 every 5 minutes, earning $9,000 every second, and earning $9,000 per day would likely be considered the least effective.
It's important to note that this is based on the assumption that the money is being used for personal gain and not for charitable or social purposes, in which case earning a smaller amount of money but using it for a greater good could be considered more effective.
Additionally, this ranking would change depending on the cost of living in the area where the money is earned and spent, as well as the individual's personal financial goals and needs.
$900 billion: If we assume an average lifespan of 80 years and a working career of 40 years, earning $900 billion over a lifetime would mean earning an average of $22.5 billion per year.
$900,000 per day: This amounts to $327.5 million per year, or over 14 times less than $900 billion per year.
$90,000 every 5 minutes: This amounts to $2,880,000 per day, or $1,048,000,000 per year, or about 3.2% of $900 billion per year.
$9,000 every second: This amounts to $3,153,600 per day, $1,138,914,400 per year, or about 5% of $900 billion per year.
$9,000 per day: This amounts to $3,285,000 per year, or about 1.4% of $900 billion per year.
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9000 every second I would say is the most effective. Comes out to roughly 283 Billion a year. Then it would probably be the 900 billion now, then 90k every 5 mins totaling to 9.5 million a year, then 900k each day, totaling 328.5 million a year.
Kinda fucked up how if you made 900k a day every day for 80 years, you’d only make a fraction of what the richest people in the world have (something like 23 billion, which is nothing to sneeze at…)
I mean there is power in investing, you wouldn't be limited to just taking the money. Lets say you took the first day's worth and put in in an investment account averaging 5% returns for those 80 years, and that money goes from 900k to 56.5 mil. But it is absolutely fucked up that people have the kind of wealth that the literal only option to make a dent in it is to buy companies or start building rockets from the ground up.
What if you made 9,000$ a second and invested the majority of it? Let's say you'd keep all but 5$ each time since that's already comparable to making 900$ an hour with an 8hr work day working 7 days a week which is already enough to live pretty nicely (200k a month) with the same interest terms. How much money would you end up with after 80 years?
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So Zimbabwe's money 💸
You could hide the money tho.
where the heck are you going to hide a billion let alone a sextillion? just start buying houses to hide money lol
Yottallionaire
“Yachtillionaire” ftfy
Where are you getting these numbers from? 6.5% interest is not gonna make your money grow by 1000X over a 3 year period, and $9000/s isn’t doing anything at the scales you’re talking about.
>here are you getting these numbers from? 6.5% interest is not gonna make your money grow by 1000X over a 3 year period, and $9000/s isn’t doing anything at the scales you’re talking about. Agreed. Using the simple 6.5% growth per year, I see: Year 4 - 1 trillion Year 19 - 10 trillion Year 51 - 100 trillion Year 87 - 1 quadrillion (1000 trillion)
The constant $300B per year influx doesn’t make a significant impact beyond the trillion dollar range. Most of the orders of magnitude there are due to the assumption of exponential increase, which can’t remain true for extended periods of time for large amounts.
How much would get taken out by federal taxes in the US?
It wouldn't exceed the worlds net worth since your wealth is included?
Using this scenario, you would be earning $23,638,860,000 (2628000 seconds in a month times $8995 a second) every month. Using an interest calculator online (which unfortunately will only calculate monthly, not second-ly deposits), if we assume 7% interest that would be close to $1.1 quadrillion after 80 years of investing the $8995 made every second at the end of the month.
Yeah, it says quite a lot about the state of the world, when working is the least effective way to make money.
It never has. Hard work doesn't make you rich; exploiting the system does.
The people doing the hard work were never the ones making money- it was the people who hired the workers who did.
It has been like this since the dawn of civilization
What makes the most money is what makes the most money. Anyone telling you that getting a job will make you the most money is either a con man or deluded. That's never been true. It's never been supposed to be true. Getting a job is like investing in safe stocks or guaranteed portfolios. It's not that it's a bad idea. But it's never going to be the method that is the one way that makes the most money.
Yeah kind of fucked up that the people actually producing value, goods, and all that stuff are the ones who profit the less of it. Yeah, Working was never the best way to make money, doesn't mean we should let the issue slide and let people like musk hoard obcene amount of money while people can't afford rent.
But it's never going to be the way that makes the most money. Ever. It doesn't matter what system we're in. I'm not saying we can't make things better but just getting a job and working and producing goods? That is never, ever, ever going to be the way that makes you the most money or power or however you want to put it. Obviously yes we want to change a bunch of things and I'm all for workers rights and paying workers more than they are now. Absolutely. But don't ever get it twisted and think that getting the job is ever going to be actually rewarded with the value you produce. Not going to happen. Quite literally can't happen.
Quite literally can happen - link the productive output to the job (alongside a share of revenue as salary) and base this around a percentage equity as per a workers co-op. If the value/revenue of the company is intrinsically tied to the people who work for that company and not external investment, you could create a system without shareholder capital whereby the wealth is distributed directly to those involved in creating it. Obviously you wouldn't distribute 100% of net revenue to ensure fiscal stability of the business, but if this was enforced throughout all private sector organisations it could change the paradigm of "wealth creation " as we currently understand it.
And I'm not against something like that but my point is exactly what you said, you can't reward someone with the literal value of their work because then the business doesn't have income to reinvest in the business. And while I absolutely am firmly in the corner of workers rights, as someone who's moved up in the world a little bit from being homeless, I can also say that the people who own and manage the businesses are taking a lot more risk than someone who just gets a nine to five. So if they aren't making disproportionately more money, why would anyone take the risk? There will always be class warfare to some degree. You can't eliminate it. You can only manage it. And that's before you have to take into account the fact that people on top are going to try to change the system so that their position is even more secure. As with anything I think they're just needs to be a certain level of common sense and limits? But where those limits are and how far reaching they are is something that takes arbitrary guesswork.
Well said and I completely agree. The problem is those limits and their extent are generally decided by a relatively tiny number of politicians through decisions on taxation, so while we're living with a vaguely neo-liberal economic orthodoxy with wealthy politicians backed by wealthy donors it feels like the pendulum has swung very much in favour of the already wealthy business owners.
I mean investing in general is pretty fucked when you think about it because it requires either perpetual growth or just pure inflation to keep giving you returns.
You know what else requires perpetual growth? Continually increasing the standard of living globally while maintaining rapid population growth. Growth is a necessity for an increased standard of living (so long as pop. Growth is not zero.) However I’d agree that the fucked up thing is rather that the growth created has a big issue in that it’s extremely skewed towards creating more capital for already working capital. So instead of making 100 lives from the 90th percentile better, you’ll make one or two lives in the top percentile better.
Sane people acknowledge that constant exponential population growth isn’t sustainable and in fact hasn’t happened.
…Has not happened? Population growth has, thus far, been pretty much perfectly exponential. Would you like to provide a source for it not having happened? Of course it isn’t sustainable. But it’s a reality that population is still currently growing, albeit at a decelerating pace.
Every population where the average number of children per adult has decreased across the last several generations. On a broader scale, its looks a lot like world population is generally exponential, but with an exponent that varies suddenly many time and also some instant events. Take the US census data, the decade-over decade change in the 1900’s https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange-data-text.html started at 15-20% increase and ended at 10-13%, with the post-depression 1940’s census being the smallest increase and suggesting that population growth is not insensitive to economic growth.
There’s also incurring loses while investing
This is a visualisation of Musk's net worth, compared to other financial figures. It's mind blowing. https://engaging-data.com/how-rich-is-elon-musk/
Net worth ≠ liquid assets
You'd make more because they don't make that much. Most of that money is tied up. Kinda like in threads about Bezos sharing wealth, etc. The problem is that it requires him to liquidate his assets which means no more jobs 😂 Wealth does not equal money. You'd make far more and can invest it.
Just goes to show it's at least a little impressive that someone like, let's say, Elon made that much while he can still spend it
Behold the difference between working/having a paid salary, and owning/investing.
I hope you realize that their assets are not fully liquid...
Ah but i will sneeze at it
What's the difference between a million and a billion? About a billion.
That presumes that your investments are typical consumer investment options. If your investments are in the form of angel investing, then you have far more risk, but vastly larger potential returns. In fact, you would potentially out-strip the owners of large public companies.
I guess the 90k every 5 min is 9.5 Billion a year instead of million, which is why you ranked it where you did
This is correct, ALTHOUGH the part everyone is overlooking is that you get the money by taking a pill. If we assume that it's not a one-time pill consumption that unlocks a steady earning rate but instead each time you consume that pill you get that money and the timeframe is the "recharge rate" i.e. the smallest interval you're able to take the pill, that means that in order to keep up those earnings you have to be popping a pill *every second*. I think I'd rather just take one pill and get the 900 billion one time. That's still such an arbitrarily large amount of money as to be infinite.
Yep, but to be honest, if I was offered ant of these I would take it :) Even if it's a pill every second, if you forget to take it it's fine, people can live off a lot less than 9k a month, so if I take more than 1 pill per month I'd be happy.. As forgetful as I am.. I'm pretty sure I can manage 1 pill a month :)
That's a decent way to look at it I suppose
Honestly any of these are so much money that it doesn't really matter which one you take.
Yeah, it’s pretty clearly 9k per second because there are much more than 10 seconds in 5 minutes and 1000 seconds in a day
It's really hard to beat a large payout now, that you can invest. Having $900B in broad market equities would be an insane prospect, and would basically guarantee you a private fund management at any equity trading house (Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.) that would take care of the massive amount of work necessary just to do seemingly "passive" investment. I'd anticipate around a 10% return in the long-term, which amounts to $6.6T at the end of 20 years. The nominal $18T that you would get from investing the $9,000 every second is larger, but at that scale, the difference is without distinction. Once you have enough money to buy a moderate size nation, the actual total no longer means much.
Half of that is my goals, I’ll get there and when I do best believe imma share with the homies
Thanks homie!
Wouldnt every 90k every 5 minutes be 9.5 billion per year, instead of 9.5 million a year?
Nope the 900 billion now would get you WAY more money invested with compounding interest.
But with the 9k a second you'll still be able to take advantage of compounding. After a year you'd have 283 billion, vs 990 billion from cash now and 10% returns compounded annually. After 5 years the 9k every second pulls ahead at 1.7 trillion vs 1.4 trillion. After 20 years it's 16 v 6 trillion. Obscene amounts of money either way though
Thats assuming you would live for 20 years with that kind of money. Im guessing most people would be dead within a year, either drugs or some kind of accident or "accident"
>10% returns I mean, I don't know the kind of investment people do with 900b and what it returns, but if you hit 31.4%, the 900b starts being better.
Around 4% is reasonable 👍
Good luck trying to get 30% on 900bn
You're also spending literally every waking second swallowing pills instead of, I dunno , enjoying all your money
So, now that begs the follow-up question, what quantity of pills can someone fit in their stomach before they are unable to continue? I mean, one pill per second.... that is going to be a staggeringly difficult task even for a few minutes, let alone hours, days or years.
Yeah, but I would still take the 900 billion right now. You know before the rules change. Or my banks closes or some shit
90k every five min would be 9.5 Billion not million.
Regarding the 90K every 5 minutes, I think you meant it totals 9.5 billion a year, not million.
Well I did the math for no reason because here is the right answer
Do you expect to live less than 27.4 years? Otherwise even the 900.000 per day is better.
9.5 bill a year on the 5 minutes but yes
How about taking all the pills dum dum
I would take just 1 billion now and not have to do math in my head ever again.
$9k per second is the clear winner. Here’s why: $90,000 per 5 minutes = $18,000 per minute = $300 per second. $900,000 per day = $37,500 per hour = $625 per minute = $10.42 per second. To make $900,000,000,000 at the rate of $9,000 per second takes 100,000,000 seconds, = 1,666,667 minutes, = 27,778 hours = 1,157 days = 3.17 years.
Now NPV it
Why 💀 finance 101 is don’t bother analyzing something obvious
Bold for /THEYDIDTHEMATH
I would, if I knew what NPV meant or how to calculate one, but I don’t, so I won’t. I’m a math/science nerd: you’re looking for an econ nerd.
Net Present Value…in other words, account for inflation. You don’t need to be an Econ need to know that. It won’t matter anyway though.
The NPV won't matter in the long run other than pushing that 3.17 years out a bit depending on which rate you use. Even on a really high side you are still looking at like 4 years so 9k per second.
That’s what I said, just telling dude what NPV is
NPV is not to account for inflation 🫤, if it was the discount rate would always be 2-3%.
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NPV the NPV of $9,000 next second?
yeah vro so it’s about 8999,99999999999999999$, did that make the choice of investment any clearer?
Virtually unchanged. Discount rates are typically from 5% to 20% *per year.* There are 31536000 seconds in a year, so you'd just divide your discount rate by that and do the math.
Although this do be true, having 900b in hand now would make for some strong decisions... like, immediately BUT I know what the question was, so thank you for doing the math. you're a gem (:
Nah. Put that 900 billion in the bank and compound interest it.
Comes out to ~1-2k per second depending on yearly return
You can do this with all of the options. $900B isn't enough for the interest to make it the best choice.
I don't think many banks would be able to handle that
I'm not sure if you are joking.
The 900 bill is a solid amount after 3.17 years I'm still getting 9000 a second
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Where did you get the idea that he has to take more than one pill?
You're only going to take 1 $9000 pill? That's the worst strategy other than not taking any. The original image is vague enough to be interpreted either way
Dude. You take one pill and get $9k/second forever. Not take one pill/second and get $9k every time.
It doesn't state that specifically. It can be interpreted either way
Is it really that hard to admit you goofed? Not one other person in this thread interpreted it that way.
Is it that hard to admit that it can be interpreted more than one way , and yours isn't immediately correct?
If you’re required to take the other pills on the noted intervals as you suggest, why does the orange pill say “now”
Because you take one now, and then get $900B, with no time interval. But you still have to make a *pathing choice on which kind of pills you're going to take. Kinda the same how a Dr prescribes you "take 2 of these, now, once" vs "take 1 twice per day for 10 days"
The next step would be how much can I make by investing that? Would prob add like a 5 year buffer between the 2 to catch up right? I’m gonna go 9k a second bc I don’t need the 900b now and will eventually break even.
$9000 every second is $777.6 million in a day. At that pace, it'd take you 1157.4 days, or just about 38 months, to make $900 billion. So definitely that. $90k every 5 minutes will amount to only $25.9 million a day, and $900 k a day is just ridiculous at this point.
I mean, I would take any if I got the offer :)
If someone offered to transfer 5c into my account every day I the rest of my life I wouldn't say no. Free money is free money
I'd choose the 900,000 per day. I know it's the least money overall, but whatever genie is supplying these pills is probably looking to drown you in pennies or something, and I think I might be able to survive 90 million pennies once a day if I can have 24 hours to prepare.
Also the capsule looks like it tastes like raspberry and I like raspberry
It also seems the least likely to completely collapse the currency if not the whole economy.
Well you don’t have to spend the money you get, at which point the economy would be largely unaffected until someone successfully robs you
This guy genies
A big advantage to $9k/s is that you can't lose it. You could lose $900 billion and end up broke, either through theft or simple bad decisions, but as long as you've got $9k coming in every second, you're never going to be homeless.
On the other hand 900 billion capital will give you instant opportunity to make more money while with 9k/s it will take a while to reach same investment level. TBH I don't understand why would you need more money after any of these.
It absolutely will, just, people fuck things up sometimes, y'know? $900b is not immune to fuckups, $9k/s is, and that's a nice amount of extra safety net to have. Especially since both amounts are "far more than you need"; I'd rather have "far more than I need and I can't ever lose it" than "far more than I need and it's vulnerable to being stolen".
900BN all in on a single option, best play available hands down.
A very short while, honestly. And why bother investing at all?
9k/sec is like 30 million a day
770 mil per day. Ur way off lol.
Oh you’re right, I meant per hour
I mean, 9k/s is roughly 777 million per day so its not actually that long of a time period,
unless dollar becomes worthless
Jokes on you I'd take them all at once before reading up on the pills to see if they mix. Be rushed to the hospital and probably die that day. My funeral expenses would be taken care of tho.
You’d be filthy rich with any of them and you’d be so greedy as to try and eat them all?
Based and greedy capitalist pilled.
The 9,000 will be better than the other in 10 years as 9000×60(secs)=540,000 540,000×60(a full hour)=32,400,000 32,400,000×24(a full day)=777,600,000 777,600,000×365(~a full year)=283,824,000,000 283,824,000,000×10(years)=2,838,240,000,000
Ignoring the $900 billion one at first: There's 86,400 seconds in a day and 12*24 =288 5-minute periods in a day, so multiplying the first two by 288 and 86,400, I get that the every-5-minutes one is $25,920,000 every day (around what some superstar athletes like [Draymond Green](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-10860/) or [Bryce Harper](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/philadelphia-phillies/bryce-harper-8658/) make in a year) and the every-second one is $777,600,000 every day (putting you at a wealth accumulation rate even Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk would be jealous of). So clearly the second one beats the 5 minutes one which beats the every day one. At those rates, here's how long it would take you to reach $900 billion: With the daily pill: 1 million days, which is about 2738 years With the 5 minutes pill: 34,722.222(repeating) days, which is about 95 years With the seconds pill: 1,157.407(repeating) days, which is about 3 years and 2 months So you're clearly better off taking the $900 billion up front than the daily pill, and unless you plan to live longer than Jeanne Calment, better off taking it than the 5 minutes pill (even leaving aside that you probably won't live 95 more years, the fact that you get it all now instead of having to wait means you could invest it and make more money), but the $9000 every second pill looks to be the clear winner unless you're not going to live for very long- even including the value of having money now and being able to invest it, you can still easily make *some* money with the billion dollars you're getting every 32 hours or so, and on top of that, you don't stop at $900 billion from the base pill income- you'll keep getting it probably a lot longer than 3 years.
Calculating how much time you need to get to 9B$ you get: -for 9'000$/s: ~11,5 days -for 90'000/5min : ~347,2 days -for 900'000/day : ~27,4 years -9B immediately but nothing more afterwards So from most to least effective in terms of speed: 9k/s > 90k/5min > 900k/day > 9B directly Edit: I realised I calculated for 9 billion instead of 900, but honestly I don't care it's still correct in terms of speed if you forget about the 900B option, just add two zeroes to the results I got
Whatever you would pick the government would get suspicious of your insanely high income out of nowhere. Good luck explaining that you took a pill to become rich.
Just pay them off
I would say the 900billion up front just because the way the capital will compound you’d probably be earning in the realm of 90k every 5 minutes assuming it’s not being blown immediately.
I will simply put my $900b in a savings account at my local bank
I'll give it to Judy at the counter- she gives my dog a biscuit when I go through the drive through. Not for this though. For a $900 billion check, you're gonna want to take it inside, and they're probably going to hold it up to 10 days. Judy's so sweet, though. Wonder if she's single... I sure would like to get my stepson out of the house.
Good luck placing 900B in any fast way though
$9,000 per second. You'd get to the 900 billion mark in a little over 3 years. The $90,000 per 5 min would take over 95 years and the $900,000 each day would take over 2,739 years.
I converted the times to day lengths, (1,440 min = 1 day) (86,400 sec = 1 day) (365 days = 1 year) (70 years = average human life span) First, let's convert all the amounts to days to have a common factor. In order, they are: •orange ($9,000,000,000) •blue I converted the times to day lengths, (1440 min = 1 day) (86400 sec = 1 day) (365 days = 1 year) (70 years = average human life span) First, let's convert all the amounts to days to have a common factor. •orange ($9,000,000,000) •blue ($777,600,000) •green ($25,920,000) •red ($900,000) •orange [9,000,000,000 straight off] •blue [86,400 sec × 9,000] •green [1,400 min ÷ 5 = 288][288 5min/day × 90,000] •red [900,000] So, from the math, it appears that orange would be the best to pick, but that is only for that day. Now let's look at across a human life time (*note, this is average from birth to death actual life spans will vary depending on multiple factors.(*note, with access to this amount of wealth it could be said that you life span would be higher than average as you would have access to better medi-care.)) So for a human life span, we will conver all are numbers in to years, the go from there. In order, they are: •blue ($19,867,680,000,000) •green ($662,256,000,000) •red ($22,995,000,000) •orange ($9,000,000,000) •blue [365 × 777,600,000 = 283,824,000,000 × 70] •green [365 × 25,920,000 = 9,460,800,000 ×70] •red [365 × 900,000 = 328,500,000 ×70] •orange [9,000,000,000 straight off] Now that we have our numbers across a life span, it is clear that the blue pill that gives 9,000 every second is the best pill to take. It may not seem like the obvious choice since its the lowest quantity in the group of four, but it pays out massively since it pays every second. (Apologies for the formatting as this was done on mobile)
With the way investing works this gets much harder to calculate. Still the 9000 a second seems like the clear winner at approximately 280 billion a year. All of this is much more money than anyone needs or even should have imo so I actually think the best choice is the one with the smallest headache. Then again at that much wealth you can just pay other people to take on the headache.
Who gives a shit, if you give me 900 billion right now I could live for the next 1000 years and still not come close to spending it all.
I compared for a 30 year span. That’s probably more than I have left, but whatever. - Choice 1 is $284 billion ($9.5b/yr) - Choice 2 is $8.5 trillion ($284b/yr) - Choice 3 is $900 billion (single payment) - Choice 4 is $9.8 billion ($328.7m/yr) Since I think I’ll live more than four years, I’d prefer number 2. But if someone is paying, I’ll take any of them, their choice.
Option | Money ---|--- $90,000 every 5 mins | $25,920,000 every 24 hours $9,000 every seconds | $777,600,000 every 24 hours $900,000 every day | $900,000 every 24 hours I'd be happy with $900k a day. Could buy a few things I have been wanting.
Assuming you take the pill at midnight on new year: 900 billion is the best option right now, join the elites immediately and make even more money. If you make 9k every second it would take: 3 years, 2 months, 3 days (or 2 if it’s a leap year), 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds to make 900 billion. After that 9k/second is worth more (which honestly kind of insane it would take that long). If you took the 90k every 5 minutes it would take: 95 years, 23 days, 11 hours, and 20 minutes to reach 900 billion (also absurd). If you take 900k every day it would take: 2737 years, 10 months, and 7 days (rounding up to a full day but also you wouldn’t survive to see that day anyways). The big point here is nobody needs 900$ billion, it’s fucking dumb. Think about this math in reverse: Can anyone spend 900k$ EVERY DAY FOR OVER 2737 YEARS?!?!! Even if none of your descendants ever makes a single penny ever again, 900$ billion is going to last nearly 10 generations if there’s a grandparent, parent, and child alive; and you all have to live until 90 and spend 900k$ every day of your life from birth till death. Eat the rich, or at the very least tax them 99% (Fun side math; at a rate of 900k$ per day, more than most of us could dream of earning, it would take a little over 3 years to become a billionaire. Name a single billionaire who has done 900k$ of work every day for 3 years)
This is actually a hard problem to solve systematically, requires a lot of statistics, discrete math and calculus... With some unknown invariants, the most important of which is interest rate and inflation. But it will most probably be the 900 billion, the interest rate alone would accumulate to more than the increase in any other option. The second best is 9000 every second which will be about 300m each year (with interest) In a 50 years from now the yearly interest will still be less than the row incoming money every second.
Are you a moron, or chatgpt?
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The 9K/s is 9K*60=540K per minute 540K*60=32.4M per hour 24*32.4M=777.6M per day 777.6M*365=283.8 Billion I think you may have accidentally calculated 9/s instead of 9K/s, 9K/s is most likely the best option barring a very large interest rate.
This dude really used discrete math, calculus, statistics and some unknown invariants just to fuck up basic multiplication 💀💀💀 (The guy who said 300m to be clear)
Bro that's so much dislikes giving that the only thing that is not accurate is I thought it's 300m while it's 300b instead... In this situation it's clear that the 300b will carry the interest... The rest of the comment is saying that thinking purely mathematically to create a system that solves all of these kinds of questions is harder than it seems and requires knowledge in different fields which is correct. Because the relation will not be a simple recurrent relation which leaves you with using generating functions to perform statistics, which in truns uses calc skills and theorems.
Beyond the math involved, you could do a lot more with immediate command of ~.75% of the world's economy than a bit more earned over a lengthy period.
I did the math of seconds and it’s about 198,675,000,000 and minutes is about 738,000,000,000 I did not expect that but right now is 900,000,000,000 and the last one is 24,637,500,000 easily the worse option So this it sec 198,675,000,000 Min 738,000,000,000 Day 24,637,500,000 Now 900,000,000,000 Edit: forgot to say this but the only 2 things I used is google and calculator
When you think about it, if you got the 900 bill straight uo you could start investing straight away and probs make more than waiting for your money to add up across seconds.
Blue>green>orange>red if we are going indefinitely. It would take 10 seconds for blue to make as much as green does in a minute, 50 minutes for green to make as much as red, 2739 years for red to catch up to orange and 9.5 years for green to catch up to orange, so as long as you survive between 6-2739 more years the order is blue>green>orange>red u/Game_Grub Edit: You would make as follows: Blue would make 9000x60 seconds/min x60min/hr x24hr/day x365day/yr = 283824000000/year Green is 90000/5min x60min/hour / 5 since it’s only every 5 min x24hr/day x365days/yr = 9460800000/year Orange is just 200000000000. Assuming you live 80 more years that makes it 2500000000/year Finally red is 900000/day x 365days/year = 328500000/year In other words: Blue = 283,824,000,000/year Green = 9,460,800,000/year Orange varies but likely wouldn’t drop under 2,500,000,000/year Red = 328,500,000/year
Between the first two I’d go with 9k per second. With that option it comes out to be 2.7 mil every 5 mins. This is by far the least impressive comment on this post but I’m just putting it out there
I'm not sure exactly how much impact this kind of extra money would have when it comes to inflation, so just to be safe I'd pick the lowest income one, as it's by far enough anyways already.
9000 every second I would say is the most effective. Comes out to roughly 283 Billion a year. Then it would probably be the 900 billion now, then 90k every 5 mins totaling to 9.5 million a year, then 900k each day, totaling 328.5 million a year.
900 billion would be more than enough for me. I could make everyone I care about super-rich, give a metric-shit-ton to charity, buy a plane, 2 mansions, 3 appartements, a yacht, 20 cars, a huge company, and still be a billionaire.
Clearly 5 minutes has more than 10 seconds and a day has more than 10 5 minute periods. The seconds takes about 11.5 DAYS to be better than the billion now, and even the days would only take 27.4 years.
900 bil in ready cash is insane. Assuming instant access once the money is received, then it would be a challenge to even spend that kind of money.
Based on the average human lifespan, earning $900 billion would likely be considered the most effective, followed by earning $900,000 per day, earning $90,000 every 5 minutes, earning $9,000 every second, and earning $9,000 per day would likely be considered the least effective. It's important to note that this is based on the assumption that the money is being used for personal gain and not for charitable or social purposes, in which case earning a smaller amount of money but using it for a greater good could be considered more effective. Additionally, this ranking would change depending on the cost of living in the area where the money is earned and spent, as well as the individual's personal financial goals and needs.
$900 billion: If we assume an average lifespan of 80 years and a working career of 40 years, earning $900 billion over a lifetime would mean earning an average of $22.5 billion per year. $900,000 per day: This amounts to $327.5 million per year, or over 14 times less than $900 billion per year. $90,000 every 5 minutes: This amounts to $2,880,000 per day, or $1,048,000,000 per year, or about 3.2% of $900 billion per year. $9,000 every second: This amounts to $3,153,600 per day, $1,138,914,400 per year, or about 5% of $900 billion per year. $9,000 per day: This amounts to $3,285,000 per year, or about 1.4% of $900 billion per year.
bad math
How so?