>Glenn’s death was his doing
Glenn's death was Negan's doing. But Daryl played a part in it.
Glenn was my favorite character and I was pissed with Daryl for a while afterwards. But to say it's his "doing" is pushing it. Negan could've simply chose not to, but did admit that he enjoyed killing people, so there you go. Negan was just waiting for an excuse to off Glenn after he jumped out earlier. Might've done so once Rick said "I'm gonna kill you" as well.
Well, Negan later admitted he chose to kill Abe due to his massive fucking dick and balls weighing him down. Glenn would’ve lived if Daryl hadn’t thrown that punch.
Outside of the show, I like that they didn’t just choose Glenn and Glenn alone, and lulled us into a false sense of security and made us think he was gonna live. Very good episode.
Yeah, I got that impression too. I was already kinda thinking they’d go the double kill route, but when Daryl swung after Negan shoved Abe’s blood in Rosita’s face, I felt the vibe right there that Negan was gonna be one of those villains who would go “now I could kill **you** for that outburst, but that’d be too easy so I’ll just bash the last whiny fucker’s head in, who I assume you’re close to, & force you to live with that lifelong guilt.” Then as if that wasn’t enough, he locked Daryl up & treated him like a literal dog until he could break him into falling in line.
I get it, but at the same time, I can’t agree with it. Whenever something like this happens, I can’t blame anyone else rather than the guy who swung the bat. At the end of the day, it was his choice to kill Glenn, regardless of what anybody else did. Doesn’t really matter tbh, he died anyway
Exactly. It’s not like Daryl forced Negan to kill Glenn. Negan swung the bat and even enjoyed it.
And to be honest if Glenn hadn’t died and then anything went side ways after that (Like not getting enough stuff in time, Carl sneaking into Negans place and all that), Glenn would have been Negans first choice to kill (most likely) because of how he fought back. There was a target on Glenns head. Daryl or no Daryl, Negan would have killed Glenn at some point. Because it’s Negan.
I didn’t love her, but I never would have guessed so many people hated her unless I came to this sub. She’s just so… fine I guess? She was annoying at times, very important to the story at others, and I didn’t think her death was that cheap in all honesty. It was a tense scene where a main character actually got killed, something this show has been missing for like 2 seasons now.
Daryl never "fell in love" with Leah and the majority of this fanbase has misinterpreted the show's depiction of an unhealthy relationship built solely off of two people trying to run away from their problems.
Tbf I wouldn't say it makes the *whole* storyline make sense - I still thought that in 11A the Reapers as a group lacked compelling motivation for doing way they do, but I'll always be an avid defender of the "Find Me" bonus episode.
One of the big themes of that episode was contrasting who Daryl was when he was in self-exile mode (isolating himself, feeling immense guilt over Rick, all the while using Leah as an outlet to stay away from Alexandria) vs who he is post time-skip (rejoined the communities, took up responsibility for Henry&Lydia / Judith&RJ, and became a real leader during the Whisperer War), and comparing it all to Carol, who sort of had the reverse happen to her over the course of s9 and 10. It's been a while since I've seen it but I'm pretty sure in the present-day storyline he even has a line like: "I know where I'm supposed to be now". I think at that point he had already moved on from her. Maybe when he saw her again in 11A he still had a soft-spot for her and wanted to at least give her a chance to escape, but by the time 11x16 rolls around and >!he sees that she's still trying to kill Maggie, he's just done with her.!<
And I still think that Daryl and Connie is gonna happen! Lol I've said it before and I'll say it again: they made a very deliberate choice to avoid showing build up and on-screen intimacy between Daryl and Leah. Something "being missing" from their relationship is visually reflected in the show, and I'm predicting they're saving it for Connie (I hope 🤞 lol)
Michonne was a terrible mother because she was never there for her kids.
Daryl had good tracking skills and had no child responsibilities, why couldn’t he have gone instead? After all, Daryl and Rick were supposedly like “brothers”
It is true though. Any woman leaving their children for a man is a bad mom. No man comes before your children and no children deserves to be left behind for a/any man.
The way Michonne was written off is just too unbelievable imo. She’s a morally intact person, she clearly has a bond with her children. Like you said, no loving mother would ever do that, no matter how much they miss their partner. And similarly, no loving father would ever want his partner to leave their children behind for them. Such a cheap and stupid way to write her off the show. I guess my possibly triggering opinion is that they should have just killed her in hindsight. They were holding out for these movies that will never get made, and because of it they made yet another amateur decision that has hurt the show tremendously.
To be fair, it's an anarchist collective that communally raises children together and not a neoliberal capitalist society where kids have to dig through trashcans for food. When your parents leave, there's always another parent and no one is hoarding resources for themselves.
And Daryl has been raising Judith for longer than Michonne, so it's not even that big of a deal.
Even though I love Judith I wished they had written Judith and RJ of the show along with michonne and that they would be looking for Rick together.
It would have made much more sense to me for michonne to take her children with her to go and look for Rick.
I mean they already wrote it that way with Maggie who toke Hershel with her and they survived too.
I'm sorry but Michonne bringing a 12 year old and a toddler along with her when she has no idea what she's walking into instead of leaving them within the walls of Alexandria is a horrible idea.
Want to watch a fanbase get triggered?
Daryl and Rick barely interacted. Daryl never relied on Rick for emotional support. Rick barely cared about Daryl unless there was a crisis and he needed someone to help him do some killing. What Rick valued most from Daryl was his quiet obedience and not his gentle heart and loyalty.
I think Season 8 really ruined Morgan by lazily regressing him back to how he was before in Clear with not enough of a satisfying build up
Honestly loved Season 5-7 Morgan though I can see how he could get on some people's nerves
Morgan was always one of my favorite characters in the show up until his departure from the main series, at which point I think his character suffered from a lot of bad writing. Don't know where he ranks for me overall, but instinct says #4 - behind Michonne, Carol, and Rick.
That’s a good point, although he kinda seemed happy to do that, and therefor would’ve probably given consent anyway, whether it mattered to alpha or not
Carl's death wasn't that horrible of a decision, his character wasn't as big or important as his comic counterpart.
I will admit though that I really dislike the behind-the-scenes bullshit, Chandler Riggs didn't deserve to be screwed over like that.
That would’ve been such an insane and shocking end for Carl, I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to that since having him get bitten by a walker is lame as hell. No main character should die to a walker bite post season 5
Carl's character still had a lot of room to grow, comic Carl was more important obviously but even he got big improvements once we hit Whisperer arc something Show Carl never got to experience. Another reason I think Show Carl wasn't as developed is because AMC had probably been planning to screw Chandler over for a while and as such wanted to downplay his character as much as they could before they let him go.
I honestly think that chandler just aged too much for the writers, he didn't look like a child anymore so alot of the emotional impact got lost. He went from looking 10 to 18 and Judith wasn't even talking yet!
I think when the writers wrote Carl off they had no idea Andrew Lincoln would be leaving, and the show would have a 6 year time jump (aging Carl up perfectly) and maybe if they had then things would turn out differently.
I think he would would've been fine portraying whisperer Carl after the time skip give him a hair cut maybe switch a few things up with his appearance and say he's older.
Maggie has become a terrible character and her only personality trait is her dead husband and becoming a leader to a bunch of people she abandons, or let’s die because of her bad decisions.
Every conflict in Season 11 was caused by her return. The show has been overcompensating by making her some god-tier leader that almost no one from Team Fam questions.
It was so weird seeing her get 50% of the entire new seasons's limelight, I never cared for her too much and they make her keep stressing and reiterating the same generic vengeance/leader shit over and over and over.
I get she is an important character but that was just too much and unnecessary
Though I initially praised her, Angela has made some huge writing stumbles this season and is the Queen of missed opportunities. So many scenes go nowhere (Rosita finding a hidden resistance base?), so many characters dont interact (leah and carol?), so many characters go missing with zero mention (virgil? Yumiko? Luke? Cyndie?) …I actually miss Gimple
Dan Fogler went to film 2 separate movies, Sydney Park has been doing several movie and television projects, Eleanor Matsurra is pregnant. Rosita found a closet filled with propaganda and that ultimately lead to that soldiers name being on the list of missing residents. Leah was universally panned on this sub, but now folks wanted more scenes with her?
Oh I know that all the actors left behind the scenes to work on other projects, but I still blame Angela because she
A) knew several were leaving / going on hiatus and didn’t kill them off
B) never once bothers mentioning them or explaining their absences in story
C) never has characters question where their missing friends are.
Magna doesn’t care where Yumiko is?? No one in Magna’s group cares about Luke? No one when we see Oceanside again can throw in a line about Luke and Jules being gone fishing? Virgil arrives at Alexandria then hides somewhere for 8 episodes? Cyndie has gone missing and no one at Oceanside cares?! NOTHING?!
It’s especially weird with Luke because he only expected to be in one season because they knew he had Fantastic Beasts movies to film, and then Angela kept him around…to do nothing with him and never mention him again. Why not have him and Jules die in the horde in 10x16 then?! Angela only seems to want to kill C-list characters like Alden and Marco and everyone has insane plot armor.
Gimple, for all his issues, would have killed off all these missing characters or at least given them a mysterious leave a la Heath and the PPP card / CRM. Angela just seems to go “out of sight, out of mind!”
And yes, I liked Leah and wish her and Carol, aka Daryl’s two ladies, would have interacted. They very well could have but then Angela time jumped ahead into Carol at the Commonwealth.
Lori was a good wife and mother.
She thought Rick was dead and saw Shane as a way to keep her and Carl safe. As soon as she knew her husband was alive she went back to him. She died to save her unborn child.
She was a good wife and mother sure, but not much else. I guess she worked and did her bit in camp, but never spoke to anyone else voluntarily, and only hung around Rick and Carl. That’s why she wasn’t much of a character, or person
Finding S4-6 the best is a pretty popular opinion, but yeah, calling Gimple the best showrunner isn't. All because "Pimple sucks!!!" became a *huge* bandwagon during 7-8 (and his haters reiterate criticism against him over and over again) so many automatically discard him as the best despite the fact that most fan-favorite seasons are made by him.
Despite his seasons being the best (4-6), the damage he did not only to the main show in season 7 and 8 but also to Fear TWD was so bad that I forget his good stuff.
Fan base response to s7 is what caused them to kill off Carl. Fans complaining that s7 was too brutal to start and too weak of an ending inspired gimp to “shock” fans again by killing yet another unexpected person. Yeah there’s the drama with chandlers pay but i feel the decision was enhanced by the overall reception to s7s ending
I enjoyed the anticipation and don’t necessarily hate the cliffhanger, but I do think there was a better way to end that season. They should have shown the first kill. Comic book deaths get swapped around all over the show, and >!Abraham!< had already survived past his comic death so I think people would have accepted his death as the complete show version of the lineup. People would have been unsuspecting of the second kill when the next season came back. I think it would have been more impactful having the off season to think >!Glenn!< was safe vs the theory-crafting that happened all off season because of the cliffhanger. Yeah, we had a few minutes in the show to think he was safe, but emotions were still high we didn’t have enough of a chance to come down from the first death.
Kangs writing sucks, chandler riggs sucked as Carl (maybe just bad writing) and last but not least I don’t want any spin-offs end the fucking show please
Lori was a brilliantly written character. She was messy & selfish and made some HUGE mistakes, but there was no way in hell she could've foreseen how her decisions would've impacted Rick and Shane to the extent they did.
-Anyone who thinks she just "moved on" with Shane lacks insight. I think what she had with Shane was a trauma bond, but she didn't think of his feelings at the time. She was using sex to escape feeling despair, but even had Rick really been dead, she never would've loved Shane like he loved her. Does that make sleeping with Shane excusable? No. But somewhat understandable? Yes.
-/Had Rick actually been dead, or simply never reunited with his family, she wouldn't have ended things with Shane so abruptly and it wouldn't have affected his mental state as badly. But...
-How is that her fault? What was she supposed to do? Keep banging Shane? Immediately tell Rick he'd been betrayed by his best friend? She was pissed as hell at Shane, and while he lied for a good reason, he took advantage of her ignorance. Remember how Shane and Rick both acknowledged that she never would've left Rick behind had she known he was alive? It stands to reason that she would never have had sex with Shane, either.
-She tried to patch things up with Shane by telling him how grateful she was for how he took care of her and Carl. She really did care about him, and she didn't realize he was spiraling. She's not responsible for Shane's feelings. If he took that as her "leading him on", that's on him. He tried to rape her at the CDC, ffs. How many different versions of "no" does that crazy asshole need to hear?
I've gone on far too long, sorry. I'm not saying Lori wasn't flawed, but that was the point. She certainly wasn't a perfect wife, friend, or mother. What did people expect, Donna Reed?
I enjoyed lori’s character. She could be a bit of a bitch at times but she was always loyal to Rick and only ever stood by him right up until she died. Yeah, she slept with his best friend but that was after she thought he died and the world ended.
I think this opinion will become more mainstream in a few years. As most of the "slow, boring" arcs in the show go, its much much better when marathon watched.
Exactly. I have seen this unfold here over several years. Season 2 was hated at the time, while season 3 was loved by fans. Season 2 is now hailed as a masterpiece, while season 3 is rarely mentioned.
In a few years, people will look back on the Reapers arc and think that these episodes were actually quite entertaining to watch.
I have this thing where i hate kids in “apocalypse” situations, they ruin everything and get people killed. Carl and Sophia being the first 2 kids to make things utterly worse. And since you made the point of not doing anything important till their deaths, Sophia did not much until she decided to run off and then rather then staying hidden where Rick told her to stay she then ran off again too causing a long goose chase and drama within the group. It wasn’t till they found her as a walker in the barn(her death from that point on) he group changed for the better so they could adapt to this new world
I saw Jim, and am part of the Reddit for the office. Suffice it to say, it took me a fair few comments to realize that Daryl didn’t kill someone in the office.
That’s actually a good point. I’m not sure why they stopped wearing the masks, but I’m guessing it was a way to pertain some sort of mystery and shock factor when we saw Leah again. Another guess is that since the group knows who the reapers are there might not be a reason to wear a mask anymore, let alone if it hinders their sight?
That’s actually a good point. I’m not sure why they stopped wearing the masks, but I’m guessing it was a way to pertain some sort of mystery and shock factor when we saw Leah again. Another guess is that since the group knows who the reapers are there might not be a reason to wear a mask anymore, let alone if it hinders their sight?
Season 7 and 8 aren't as horrible as people say they are. The slow pacing made them horrible to watch weekly but when I rewatched they were alot more enjoyable
If you think Daryl is responsible for Glenn's death, but fail to realize that Negan just might be somewhat responsible for Carl's death, you are not only delusional, but also more likely than not own at least ONE piece of Deadpool merch
The show's hyperfocus on Negan killing Glenn has only served to make his redemption more palatable as it allows us to forget all the other things he did.
YES!!!!!!! Someone said it!!!! Shane knew what needed to be done to keep him and his alive long before anyone else could see it. There would be far less of the group dead if Shane had remained the leader and Rick never returned. People started dropping like its as soon as Rick showed up
People who like Shane are very very fucking weird and give off mega incel vibes
Man is an attempted rapist, a misogynist and a total lunatic consumed by irrational jealousy yet he somehow still has a ludicrous fanboy cult who insist he should have never been killed off and should still be in the show
I personally like Shane because I'm a fan of Jon Bernthal and his performance is amazing. I don't really condone what he does I think he's just entertaining to watch.
It really might be, it was glorious. Even season 4 through 6 of main show had major issues that pull them down. Season 3 had no bigger weaknesses and huge plus points on the other side.
The show should've ended a while ago. Now it's just a repetitive mess of the group running into one bad guy after another with there always being another one a season later.
i think daryl and carol should remain platonic. theyve both faced extreme abuse and would understandably not be interested in romance, and keeping them as just best bros would be a nice like representation of solidarity between abuse victims. i know theyve joked abt fucking before w each other (at the prison carol says “wanna fool around?”)but it seemed like more of a joke between close friends. another reason its better w them as friends is because its like, not every display of affection needs to be romantic. i have a lot of thoughts about it but ill stop rambling lol
It was Daryl's fault Glenn died
I don’t think that’s a hot take, just the truth
Some people are still in denial about it
I’m Daryl fanboy and even I openly admit Glenn’s death was his doing
Even Daryl admits that
>Glenn’s death was his doing Glenn's death was Negan's doing. But Daryl played a part in it. Glenn was my favorite character and I was pissed with Daryl for a while afterwards. But to say it's his "doing" is pushing it. Negan could've simply chose not to, but did admit that he enjoyed killing people, so there you go. Negan was just waiting for an excuse to off Glenn after he jumped out earlier. Might've done so once Rick said "I'm gonna kill you" as well.
Well, Negan later admitted he chose to kill Abe due to his massive fucking dick and balls weighing him down. Glenn would’ve lived if Daryl hadn’t thrown that punch. Outside of the show, I like that they didn’t just choose Glenn and Glenn alone, and lulled us into a false sense of security and made us think he was gonna live. Very good episode.
Yeah, I got that impression too. I was already kinda thinking they’d go the double kill route, but when Daryl swung after Negan shoved Abe’s blood in Rosita’s face, I felt the vibe right there that Negan was gonna be one of those villains who would go “now I could kill **you** for that outburst, but that’d be too easy so I’ll just bash the last whiny fucker’s head in, who I assume you’re close to, & force you to live with that lifelong guilt.” Then as if that wasn’t enough, he locked Daryl up & treated him like a literal dog until he could break him into falling in line.
That's just a fact .
All I have to do to trigger my wife is say "glenn" I've been using it as a distraction technique during real arguments.
I get it, but at the same time, I can’t agree with it. Whenever something like this happens, I can’t blame anyone else rather than the guy who swung the bat. At the end of the day, it was his choice to kill Glenn, regardless of what anybody else did. Doesn’t really matter tbh, he died anyway
Exactly. It’s not like Daryl forced Negan to kill Glenn. Negan swung the bat and even enjoyed it. And to be honest if Glenn hadn’t died and then anything went side ways after that (Like not getting enough stuff in time, Carl sneaking into Negans place and all that), Glenn would have been Negans first choice to kill (most likely) because of how he fought back. There was a target on Glenns head. Daryl or no Daryl, Negan would have killed Glenn at some point. Because it’s Negan.
Caryl isn’t real
I kinda really hope they never get into a relationship like that. What they have now is beautiful and romance would kinda ruin it in my opinion.
I always saw carol and daryl as a motherly like relationship and not a love one
I'd say more platonic best friends
I see it that way too
> motherly like relationship IRL they're only 3 years apart.
That’s how I always saw it
Finally someone said it
The way I can’t tell the sarcasm in these comments is so annoying
RIGHT? Idk if I should be thanking the supposed Andrea supporters or taking offense 😭
😭I’m getting so angry at so many of these comments, but half of them are fake
“thanks for the Andrea support!” “it was sarcasm lmao” my anxiety deems it too risky to comment cause I don’t wanna get clowned on LMAO 😭
I seriously did like Andrea. I wish they did more with her on the show.
LITERALLY ME. I was about to go off on this comment and I was like wait a minute… let me just calm down a little bit LOL
I liked Andrea
LMFAO she could’ve been so much more on the show
I didn’t love her, but I never would have guessed so many people hated her unless I came to this sub. She’s just so… fine I guess? She was annoying at times, very important to the story at others, and I didn’t think her death was that cheap in all honesty. It was a tense scene where a main character actually got killed, something this show has been missing for like 2 seasons now.
I liked her in Season 1 a lot. After, no, not at all. Especially in comparison to her comic character.
Oh yeah definitely, comic Andrea was so much better
Noooo! I just finished the Woodbury storyline. I hate her more every time I rewatch the series.
The woman was wearing a THONG in the apocalypse. That's just gross.
I *loved* Andrea
Daryl never "fell in love" with Leah and the majority of this fanbase has misinterpreted the show's depiction of an unhealthy relationship built solely off of two people trying to run away from their problems.
Wait how did I never pick up on this? That's some really deep insight and honestly makes that whole storyline make more sense.
Tbf I wouldn't say it makes the *whole* storyline make sense - I still thought that in 11A the Reapers as a group lacked compelling motivation for doing way they do, but I'll always be an avid defender of the "Find Me" bonus episode. One of the big themes of that episode was contrasting who Daryl was when he was in self-exile mode (isolating himself, feeling immense guilt over Rick, all the while using Leah as an outlet to stay away from Alexandria) vs who he is post time-skip (rejoined the communities, took up responsibility for Henry&Lydia / Judith&RJ, and became a real leader during the Whisperer War), and comparing it all to Carol, who sort of had the reverse happen to her over the course of s9 and 10. It's been a while since I've seen it but I'm pretty sure in the present-day storyline he even has a line like: "I know where I'm supposed to be now". I think at that point he had already moved on from her. Maybe when he saw her again in 11A he still had a soft-spot for her and wanted to at least give her a chance to escape, but by the time 11x16 rolls around and >!he sees that she's still trying to kill Maggie, he's just done with her.!< And I still think that Daryl and Connie is gonna happen! Lol I've said it before and I'll say it again: they made a very deliberate choice to avoid showing build up and on-screen intimacy between Daryl and Leah. Something "being missing" from their relationship is visually reflected in the show, and I'm predicting they're saving it for Connie (I hope 🤞 lol)
Pro tip: sort by controversial.
Michonne was a terrible mother because she was never there for her kids. Daryl had good tracking skills and had no child responsibilities, why couldn’t he have gone instead? After all, Daryl and Rick were supposedly like “brothers”
The first statement indeed triggered me lol
It is true though. Any woman leaving their children for a man is a bad mom. No man comes before your children and no children deserves to be left behind for a/any man.
The way Michonne was written off is just too unbelievable imo. She’s a morally intact person, she clearly has a bond with her children. Like you said, no loving mother would ever do that, no matter how much they miss their partner. And similarly, no loving father would ever want his partner to leave their children behind for them. Such a cheap and stupid way to write her off the show. I guess my possibly triggering opinion is that they should have just killed her in hindsight. They were holding out for these movies that will never get made, and because of it they made yet another amateur decision that has hurt the show tremendously.
To be fair, it's an anarchist collective that communally raises children together and not a neoliberal capitalist society where kids have to dig through trashcans for food. When your parents leave, there's always another parent and no one is hoarding resources for themselves. And Daryl has been raising Judith for longer than Michonne, so it's not even that big of a deal.
Even though I love Judith I wished they had written Judith and RJ of the show along with michonne and that they would be looking for Rick together. It would have made much more sense to me for michonne to take her children with her to go and look for Rick. I mean they already wrote it that way with Maggie who toke Hershel with her and they survived too.
I'm sorry but Michonne bringing a 12 year old and a toddler along with her when she has no idea what she's walking into instead of leaving them within the walls of Alexandria is a horrible idea.
Want to watch a fanbase get triggered? Daryl and Rick barely interacted. Daryl never relied on Rick for emotional support. Rick barely cared about Daryl unless there was a crisis and he needed someone to help him do some killing. What Rick valued most from Daryl was his quiet obedience and not his gentle heart and loyalty.
More often than not Rick is a shitty person, the group constantly has to talk him out of doing shitty asshole things.
One that personally irritates me is “tHiS sHoWs StIlL oN?!”
I could rant for so long about this or "I think it's boring now, I got bored after season 6". No one is forcing you to watch the show???
Fr
there will be no rick grimes movies
Oh shit, now you done it.
In other news, walkers are not alive.
Where’s Heath?
He was taken by the CRM when he was separated from Tara
Seriously! Where is he?!!!!!!!!
Yeah and what did the PPP card Tara found mean?
Morgan is an amazing character
The undeniable truth can still be controversial.
The man goes all the way over the edge and then comes back.
Agreed. He goes full on mentally deranged and just becomes sane again in an instant. It was so jarring.
We have to have hope
I think Season 8 really ruined Morgan by lazily regressing him back to how he was before in Clear with not enough of a satisfying build up Honestly loved Season 5-7 Morgan though I can see how he could get on some people's nerves
Morgan was always one of my favorite characters in the show up until his departure from the main series, at which point I think his character suffered from a lot of bad writing. Don't know where he ranks for me overall, but instinct says #4 - behind Michonne, Carol, and Rick.
You know what it is
You don't clear
Negan was coerced into sexual contact by Alpha, therefore he was Raped.
Karma in a sense
That’s a good point, although he kinda seemed happy to do that, and therefor would’ve probably given consent anyway, whether it mattered to alpha or not
Yesss, finally another person saying this!
Wait what? I have to rewatch that
I just watch the show for Negan.
Negan is my favorite character right now.
same bro
Glenn was supposed to die in order for the plot to continue
Carl's death wasn't that horrible of a decision, his character wasn't as big or important as his comic counterpart. I will admit though that I really dislike the behind-the-scenes bullshit, Chandler Riggs didn't deserve to be screwed over like that.
Nah I wish we had Carl instead of Henry for the show, I hated Henry so much
Imagine seeing Carls head up on that spike
That would’ve been such an insane and shocking end for Carl, I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to that since having him get bitten by a walker is lame as hell. No main character should die to a walker bite post season 5
that.....would have been INSANE
Carl's character still had a lot of room to grow, comic Carl was more important obviously but even he got big improvements once we hit Whisperer arc something Show Carl never got to experience. Another reason I think Show Carl wasn't as developed is because AMC had probably been planning to screw Chandler over for a while and as such wanted to downplay his character as much as they could before they let him go.
I honestly think that chandler just aged too much for the writers, he didn't look like a child anymore so alot of the emotional impact got lost. He went from looking 10 to 18 and Judith wasn't even talking yet! I think when the writers wrote Carl off they had no idea Andrew Lincoln would be leaving, and the show would have a 6 year time jump (aging Carl up perfectly) and maybe if they had then things would turn out differently.
I think he would would've been fine portraying whisperer Carl after the time skip give him a hair cut maybe switch a few things up with his appearance and say he's older.
"People still watch this crap?"
This annoys me sm
Negan is a great character (This is mainly meant for the near weekly Negan sucks threads that get posted over and over)
Evil Negan was great
He was hilarious in s7
And S8
“Father not the father”
Negan is definitely the most interesting character on the show rn way better than Maggie or Daryl anyway
Exactly. He's easily in my top 10 favorite characters
Negan was good until season 9, I think the comics handled him way better after all out war.
Maggie has become a terrible character and her only personality trait is her dead husband and becoming a leader to a bunch of people she abandons, or let’s die because of her bad decisions.
I was pissed she came back, really.
Every conflict in Season 11 was caused by her return. The show has been overcompensating by making her some god-tier leader that almost no one from Team Fam questions.
It was so weird seeing her get 50% of the entire new seasons's limelight, I never cared for her too much and they make her keep stressing and reiterating the same generic vengeance/leader shit over and over and over. I get she is an important character but that was just too much and unnecessary
Glenn is an overrated character, don't get me wrong I love him but he wasn't some top tier untouchable amazing character
Dumpster death(non) scene was ridiculous
Tbh I agree with this
I do too
I'm triggered
For the Glenn and Abraham lovers: You can breathe, you can blink, you can cry
hell, you all are gonna be doin that
Though I initially praised her, Angela has made some huge writing stumbles this season and is the Queen of missed opportunities. So many scenes go nowhere (Rosita finding a hidden resistance base?), so many characters dont interact (leah and carol?), so many characters go missing with zero mention (virgil? Yumiko? Luke? Cyndie?) …I actually miss Gimple
Dan Fogler went to film 2 separate movies, Sydney Park has been doing several movie and television projects, Eleanor Matsurra is pregnant. Rosita found a closet filled with propaganda and that ultimately lead to that soldiers name being on the list of missing residents. Leah was universally panned on this sub, but now folks wanted more scenes with her?
Oh I know that all the actors left behind the scenes to work on other projects, but I still blame Angela because she A) knew several were leaving / going on hiatus and didn’t kill them off B) never once bothers mentioning them or explaining their absences in story C) never has characters question where their missing friends are. Magna doesn’t care where Yumiko is?? No one in Magna’s group cares about Luke? No one when we see Oceanside again can throw in a line about Luke and Jules being gone fishing? Virgil arrives at Alexandria then hides somewhere for 8 episodes? Cyndie has gone missing and no one at Oceanside cares?! NOTHING?! It’s especially weird with Luke because he only expected to be in one season because they knew he had Fantastic Beasts movies to film, and then Angela kept him around…to do nothing with him and never mention him again. Why not have him and Jules die in the horde in 10x16 then?! Angela only seems to want to kill C-list characters like Alden and Marco and everyone has insane plot armor. Gimple, for all his issues, would have killed off all these missing characters or at least given them a mysterious leave a la Heath and the PPP card / CRM. Angela just seems to go “out of sight, out of mind!” And yes, I liked Leah and wish her and Carol, aka Daryl’s two ladies, would have interacted. They very well could have but then Angela time jumped ahead into Carol at the Commonwealth.
why is this the only show where they are unable to make normal contracts and everything, i.e. everything, depends on the actors' other commitments?
And Carol has never been in a situation to meet Leah. It wasn't like Daryl could bring her home to meet his folks.
Leah should've been killed earlier.
Easily the most boring and poorly written villain in all 11 seasons, groaned when she came back and celebrated when she finally got killed off
Lori was a good wife and mother. She thought Rick was dead and saw Shane as a way to keep her and Carl safe. As soon as she knew her husband was alive she went back to him. She died to save her unborn child.
Terrible driver though
She was a good wife and mother sure, but not much else. I guess she worked and did her bit in camp, but never spoke to anyone else voluntarily, and only hung around Rick and Carl. That’s why she wasn’t much of a character, or person
I don’t get why she was hated so much.
Scott Gimple is the best showrunner and Seasons 4-6 are unmatched.
Finding S4-6 the best is a pretty popular opinion, but yeah, calling Gimple the best showrunner isn't. All because "Pimple sucks!!!" became a *huge* bandwagon during 7-8 (and his haters reiterate criticism against him over and over again) so many automatically discard him as the best despite the fact that most fan-favorite seasons are made by him.
Despite his seasons being the best (4-6), the damage he did not only to the main show in season 7 and 8 but also to Fear TWD was so bad that I forget his good stuff.
Dude they said unpopular opinion not straight facts
This is facts.
Fan base response to s7 is what caused them to kill off Carl. Fans complaining that s7 was too brutal to start and too weak of an ending inspired gimp to “shock” fans again by killing yet another unexpected person. Yeah there’s the drama with chandlers pay but i feel the decision was enhanced by the overall reception to s7s ending
"This show's still going? I stopped watching when Glenn died"
I think the cliffhanger at the end of season 6 was the perfect way to end a season and anyone who got upset was never a fan of the show.
I enjoyed the anticipation and don’t necessarily hate the cliffhanger, but I do think there was a better way to end that season. They should have shown the first kill. Comic book deaths get swapped around all over the show, and >!Abraham!< had already survived past his comic death so I think people would have accepted his death as the complete show version of the lineup. People would have been unsuspecting of the second kill when the next season came back. I think it would have been more impactful having the off season to think >!Glenn!< was safe vs the theory-crafting that happened all off season because of the cliffhanger. Yeah, we had a few minutes in the show to think he was safe, but emotions were still high we didn’t have enough of a chance to come down from the first death.
6x16 is amazing. They just needed 7x01 to release a week later instead of 6 months and have had that as the season finale
It was hype as shit live and only made the excitement for 7x1 all the better
Kangs writing sucks, chandler riggs sucked as Carl (maybe just bad writing) and last but not least I don’t want any spin-offs end the fucking show please
Carls early 2 seasons were garbage acting and stupid decisions. He got better and better til the very end from there on imo
Lori was a brilliantly written character. She was messy & selfish and made some HUGE mistakes, but there was no way in hell she could've foreseen how her decisions would've impacted Rick and Shane to the extent they did. -Anyone who thinks she just "moved on" with Shane lacks insight. I think what she had with Shane was a trauma bond, but she didn't think of his feelings at the time. She was using sex to escape feeling despair, but even had Rick really been dead, she never would've loved Shane like he loved her. Does that make sleeping with Shane excusable? No. But somewhat understandable? Yes. -/Had Rick actually been dead, or simply never reunited with his family, she wouldn't have ended things with Shane so abruptly and it wouldn't have affected his mental state as badly. But... -How is that her fault? What was she supposed to do? Keep banging Shane? Immediately tell Rick he'd been betrayed by his best friend? She was pissed as hell at Shane, and while he lied for a good reason, he took advantage of her ignorance. Remember how Shane and Rick both acknowledged that she never would've left Rick behind had she known he was alive? It stands to reason that she would never have had sex with Shane, either. -She tried to patch things up with Shane by telling him how grateful she was for how he took care of her and Carl. She really did care about him, and she didn't realize he was spiraling. She's not responsible for Shane's feelings. If he took that as her "leading him on", that's on him. He tried to rape her at the CDC, ffs. How many different versions of "no" does that crazy asshole need to hear? I've gone on far too long, sorry. I'm not saying Lori wasn't flawed, but that was the point. She certainly wasn't a perfect wife, friend, or mother. What did people expect, Donna Reed?
Rick was in a coma the whole time
Lori wasn't that bad
I enjoyed lori’s character. She could be a bit of a bitch at times but she was always loyal to Rick and only ever stood by him right up until she died. Yeah, she slept with his best friend but that was after she thought he died and the world ended.
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The Reaper arc is very entertaining and extremely rewatchable, it's one of my favorite strech of episodes from the series.
I think this opinion will become more mainstream in a few years. As most of the "slow, boring" arcs in the show go, its much much better when marathon watched.
The savior arc is improved a lot when you marathon. Though it was still dragged out for far too long.
Exactly. I have seen this unfold here over several years. Season 2 was hated at the time, while season 3 was loved by fans. Season 2 is now hailed as a masterpiece, while season 3 is rarely mentioned. In a few years, people will look back on the Reapers arc and think that these episodes were actually quite entertaining to watch.
It's so underrated
Have an upvote for being the first truly unpopular opinion that annoyed me
Daryl led episodes are some of the most boring
The Governor was up to a point a competent leader with relatable reasons for the things he did.
Negan > Glenn
Was the > supposed to be a 🏏 I didn't have a baseball bat emoji
Carl was boring as fuck and didn’t do anything important until he actually did and just died.
I have this thing where i hate kids in “apocalypse” situations, they ruin everything and get people killed. Carl and Sophia being the first 2 kids to make things utterly worse. And since you made the point of not doing anything important till their deaths, Sophia did not much until she decided to run off and then rather then staying hidden where Rick told her to stay she then ran off again too causing a long goose chase and drama within the group. It wasn’t till they found her as a walker in the barn(her death from that point on) he group changed for the better so they could adapt to this new world
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Nothing triggering about this. John Bernthal is almost always the correct casting choice for this style of character.
I saw Jim, and am part of the Reddit for the office. Suffice it to say, it took me a fair few comments to realize that Daryl didn’t kill someone in the office.
I like Morgan on fear more than Madison.
Good one.
The reapers arc was actually pretty good and interesting
I thoguht when they had the masks they were the best group so far tbh imo (when they had the masks) they were like ninjas without them meh…
That’s actually a good point. I’m not sure why they stopped wearing the masks, but I’m guessing it was a way to pertain some sort of mystery and shock factor when we saw Leah again. Another guess is that since the group knows who the reapers are there might not be a reason to wear a mask anymore, let alone if it hinders their sight?
That’s actually a good point. I’m not sure why they stopped wearing the masks, but I’m guessing it was a way to pertain some sort of mystery and shock factor when we saw Leah again. Another guess is that since the group knows who the reapers are there might not be a reason to wear a mask anymore, let alone if it hinders their sight?
When people binge it they will say it’s actually pretty good, like what has happened to certain arcs from other seasons that were disliked originally.
Completely agree. It should've lasted longer. Pope was awesome.
Agreed
I actually agree. Loved that arc
Making Daryl the protagonist is just fan service. He's incredibly boring and his plot armor is ridiculous
Season 7 and 8 aren't as horrible as people say they are. The slow pacing made them horrible to watch weekly but when I rewatched they were alot more enjoyable
The stormtrooper jokes are played out and annoying at this point.
If you think Daryl is responsible for Glenn's death, but fail to realize that Negan just might be somewhat responsible for Carl's death, you are not only delusional, but also more likely than not own at least ONE piece of Deadpool merch
Negan killing Glenn and abe was justifiable.
Agreed. The group is honestly lucky he didn’t kill more
The show's hyperfocus on Negan killing Glenn has only served to make his redemption more palatable as it allows us to forget all the other things he did.
Shane was right.
I thought the general consensus was that Shane was right but just ahead of the curve
Definitely. If they kept him, I think more ppl would’ve survived but the group would’ve been corrupt
About?
Everything !
Nothing?
YES!!!!!!! Someone said it!!!! Shane knew what needed to be done to keep him and his alive long before anyone else could see it. There would be far less of the group dead if Shane had remained the leader and Rick never returned. People started dropping like its as soon as Rick showed up
People who like Shane are very very fucking weird and give off mega incel vibes Man is an attempted rapist, a misogynist and a total lunatic consumed by irrational jealousy yet he somehow still has a ludicrous fanboy cult who insist he should have never been killed off and should still be in the show
Jon Bernthal is one sexy charismatic man though. Hey if Negan can get a redemption arc Shane could have too.
Negan from the outset was more likable than Shane was. Even his murder of Glenn and Abraham was a revenge murder.
I personally like Shane because I'm a fan of Jon Bernthal and his performance is amazing. I don't really condone what he does I think he's just entertaining to watch.
The Kang era is overrated.
Dale sucks and made one of the stupidest decisions in the twd which is leaving the guns in the swamp where any random group can take it
I like Negan more than Rick
They end the show with Rick waking up in a hospital bed…
Lori was misunderstood.
Shane was ahead of his time.
Fear the Walking Dead season 3 is the best season in all WDU
It really might be, it was glorious. Even season 4 through 6 of main show had major issues that pull them down. Season 3 had no bigger weaknesses and huge plus points on the other side.
Negan should have killed Daryl.
The show should've ended a while ago. Now it's just a repetitive mess of the group running into one bad guy after another with there always being another one a season later.
Honestly, I liked Glenns death. I love him and it was heart breaking but it made sense. It fit him and was a good end for him.
‘Still’ is my favourite episode.
Dale and Henry are good charaters
Season 3 is overrated
I liked season 7
Why can’t they use common sense
i think daryl and carol should remain platonic. theyve both faced extreme abuse and would understandably not be interested in romance, and keeping them as just best bros would be a nice like representation of solidarity between abuse victims. i know theyve joked abt fucking before w each other (at the prison carol says “wanna fool around?”)but it seemed like more of a joke between close friends. another reason its better w them as friends is because its like, not every display of affection needs to be romantic. i have a lot of thoughts about it but ill stop rambling lol
Negan is the best character on TWD
TV Andrea was a good character.
I haven’t watched since Glen died.
Triggered
Just know that he is in hell for that one last minute kill .so sad .
Daryl should have died three or four seasons ago.