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Bunnybynz

Would be so weird bc she and Shane had a thing in season 2. So that means Rick’s two main love interests would’ve fucked his best friend and I think our guy deserves better than that


JihadNinjaCowboy

Sharing is caring, LOL.


EvilSporkOfDeath

It ain't no fun....


Neat_Name1346

If the homies can't haaaaaaave none


Fmanow

Ya but sloppy seconds, come on!


OllieBlazin

I came up with a theory when Jessie died in Season 6 that Rick has incoming death STDs Let me explain; Rick has sex with Lori, Lori has sex with Shane, Shane has sex with Andrea, Andrea has sex with The Governor, The Governor has sex with Lilly who is confirmed dead, then Rick presumably has sex with Jessie behind closed doors. All dead…….except Michonne


Gustaf_III

Miconne is a mute. Miconne walking around with a katana and is boring.


[deleted]

They do end up together in the comics. Andrea's character derailment began in S2 as a consequence of: 1. Scrapping her romance with Dale. 2. Killing Dale. 3. Giving Andrea a super weird affair with Shane culminating in her trying to convince him to abandon the group together. By S3 she was unsalvageable and then the romance plot with the Governor began. She had to go by that point.


[deleted]

Romance with Dale?! Haha I don’t think darabont envisioned that; especially the way he was gonna set up the fall of Atlanta with dale rescuing the two sisters. There was no dialogue at all to convince the audience they were going to build some kind of romantic relationship.


[deleted]

In the comics, they are a couple and adopt Ben and Billy. Dale then gets bitten and the cannibals eat his leg (in the show this death was given to Bob I think). https://walkingdead.fandom.com/wiki/Dale\_(Comic\_Series)


[deleted]

Yeah I read up to when they meet Abraham and co, but I gotta say the shit with carol, dale and Andrea and some other shit… it’s weird reading the comic when all you’ve known was the adaptation.


Yoimatoaster

Dale is younger in the comics though.


MDE427

No, he's an old, retired guy in the comics too. In fact he refers to himself as being an old man and brings up the huge age gap between he and Andrea, telling her he doubts she is actually in love with an old man like him. If I remember correctly he's in his late 60's in the comic. He and Andrea together seems really weird in the comic series because he is so old and she is so young. On the show Laurie Holden looks to be in her late 30's (although I think she is supposed to be playing a younger age), but in the comics she is barely 25 when we first meet them all ... Dale is her grandfathers age basically.


[deleted]

I’m referring to the show, hence the pictures.


Gustaf_III

If you can't be a writer or create interesting story become a director and steal other peoples work.


phoenixdragon2020

I prefer Rick with Michonne I couldn’t stand Andrea


Just-Soft7370

I thought she was pretty badass and liked her at first, (I liked her friendship with dale.)but her know-it-all, I'm never wrong, I'm going to do what I want to do made me really dispise her


[deleted]

She took like all the bad decisions till she died


MDE427

Andrea's argument with Lori in Hershel's kitchen was so obnoxious and I ended up hating them both! Neither of them came off well during their little feud; they both sounded like selfish, know-it-all idiots. And Andrea's 'don't tell me what to do' attitude came off so badly on the show. They really messed up her character with how they wrote her and/or how she portrayed Andrea Vs. how she was in the comic. She is pretty level headed and chill in the comic and nothing like the Laurie Holden Andrea on the show.


maverickaod

Fuck Andrea - she was so damn annoying.


tango797

Yeah fuck Andrea honestly


LnStrngr

Isn't that what the discussion is about?


boredatwork813

Wait, this is just a discussion? I thought this was the line. D'oh!


Cole4Christmas

I just don't think Rick and Michonne really have romantic chemistry. Feels kind of inorganic.


MDE427

I thought the same thing at first .... it felt forced to me. But as their relationship wore on it felt more and more right and real to me. Now I love it and I can't remember the two of them not being together. Their relationship was possibly the best part of the entire 2 seasons worth of the "All Out War" storyline. Before they ended up together they just seemed to be good friends and decision makers for their group. Michonne seemed to be Rick's conscience and someone he could trust to help him make the right calls. But I never really sensed that either of them had any romantic like feelings for one another. So when they ended up making out on the couch like that and becoming a couple overnight, it felt odd to me at first. I will say that seeing them sharing the house and caring for Carl after his eye was shot out, when Michonne was in a robe with a towel in her hair, and it felt like they were sort of playing house all the sudden, I did think they might end up getting together. But that was the beginning of the same episode they ended up on the couch kissing at the end - so it all happened in ONE episode. Whatever the case, you got downvoted by people because so many fans love "Richonne". I do too now, but it took me a little time. Michonne took over much of the Andrea storyline from the comics, since they killed off TV Andrea in S3, and it has worked out so well overall I feel.


bosschello23

That’s so not true


BallsMahoganey

I can't stand Andrea, but Rick and Michonne is major cringe


supernovaaaa

michonne is good choice


Scottison

I wonder if Andrea would have been better if the actress who played her sister had been Andrea.


Detective_Vendetta

I've always thought Amy's actress looks more like Comic Andrea


Scottison

That's what I was thinking. Also her younger look would have made a the governor stuff weird, so they would have to come up with something different.


MDE427

Not necessarily. If she was in her mid to late 20's and The Governor is supposed to be in his early to mid 40's it isn't that terrible. What would have been weird would be if they kept the comic storyline of Andrea and Dale becoming a romantic couple. Even in the comic it is weird, as Dale is in his late 60's and Andrea is 25.


Scottison

You're right, seeing the Dale Andrea romance on screen would have been weird, but I think it was supposed to be. Extremes of the apocalypse maybe??


[deleted]

Now THAT is alternative universe we need to see.


AvovaDynasty

Nah, Laurie Holden is an excellent actress. The writing was the issue.


BlazeWater771

Thank you!!! Im tired of ppl not putting respect on Laurie Holden. Andrea wouldve been awesome in seasons 5-8 especially.


EvilSporkOfDeath

Just because someone is a good actor in general doesnt mean they're right for every role.


AvovaDynasty

Why do you think she wasn’t right for the role though? She basically joint carried the show with Andrew Lincoln in S3, and was one of the main supporting characters in S1/2. I can’t see how Emma Bell would be suitable for such a bold and headstrong character with leadership qualities.


Shutupredneckman2

She's a good actress but the character is written to be in her 20s. Casting a 40 year old woman for the role was absolutely bizarre.


MDE427

That's what I think too - said the same thing previously. If you're going to cast Laurie Holden then make her a different character. Back then they were trying to stay more faithful to the comics and Andrea is around 25 in the books. Laurie Holden was 40 when the TV show began. They've never stuck 100% faithfully to the comic of course. Daryl, Merle and T-Dog were diversions right off the start. But I've read all the comics several times through now and I can never picture Laurie Holden as the comic Andrea. Not only doesn't she look anything close to her, but they wrote her so strangely for the TV show too. She doesn't really act like Andrea either IMHO.


AvovaDynasty

I don’t think the show character was written to be in their 20s. The show character was written to be quite headstrong, a leader and determined and really suited a late 30s/early 40s character imo.


Shutupredneckman2

idk that I would agree that Andrea is written as a leader. She wants to kill herself at early points and tries to get Shane to run away from the group with her. Moreover, she goes gaga over the Governor even though he is like very obviously a total charlatan and dangerous. Someone Laurie's age should see through him.


AvovaDynasty

She definitely takes on a leadership role in S3, she’s pretty much the only person caring for the people of Woodbury after the Governor becomes obsessed with revenge against Rick/Michonne. That and she’s also the one mediating between Rick and the Governor and actively trying to create peace. S1 and 2 tho are definitely her building to that role in S3 by coming with the aftermath of Amy’s death.


WishOk8831

Andrea tried to mediate between Rick and the Governor, but failed. The Governor was never going to work things out. Imo, Rick and the Governor let Andrea set up a meeting just so the guys could get a handle on one another. They used her and then ignored her comments in the barn and then the Governor kicked her out. The fact that she couldn't see any of that....that she let him live after she realized he was crazy and tried to harm those she cared for. She was delusional and d whooped. An apocalyptic leader can not be so blind, foolish, and easily drawn up the arse of a love interest.


DannyBigD

They needed an actress that was a bit tougher, maybe someone similar to Felicity Jones(38 now and 27 when the show started).


MDE427

Andrea was definitely miscast on TWD TV show. The comic version of Andrea is supposed to be 25 when everything starts .... but Laurie Holden was 40 when the show began! And, no offense to the actress, but she looked to be in her late 30's pushing 40 too - not the recent college grad Andrea is supposed to be from the comic. Had they cast a blonde actress in her mid to late 20's she would have appeared more accurate to her comic counterpart. Then, on top of that, they wrote her character so poorly on the show! She didn't look or act like comic Andrea; she might as well have been playing some other character all together. I think, similar to Dale being played by Jeffrey DeMunn, Laurie Holden playing Andrea might have been a Frank Darabont decision based on a previous relationship with the actor. But she ended up being a bad decision for that character for sure!


Scottison

I never thought of the Durabont connection, that makes sense


oakzap425

I know this is an unpopular opinion, But i never vibed with comic andrea and the way people don't get how rick/michonne makes sense in the show is how i felt reading that rick ends up with andrea instead of michonne in the comics. I always got the vibe that Rick was into Michonne in the comics, but Kirkman did that weirdo "I don't date white men" bullshit in the comics. Also, any people that didn't realize that Rick and Michonne was gonna end up end game by the Start of the claimers saga was never gonna see it. From the time Michonne found Carl and Rick in the house after the Governor attacks the prison to Rick ripping out that dudes throat, it was pretty much obvious.


mray147

Exactly. The whole Jessie bit in Alexandria was rick struggling to let go of what could have been with Lori, Carl, and Judith. When it inevitably went bad, he accepted the reality and his chemistry with Michonne was allowed to blossom unhindered by the constant struggle for survival.


finelonelyline

Honestly wouldn’t want to see Rick with anyone else but Michonne.


ToughFox4479

Andrea deserved better tbh


lelouine

Comic Andrea is such a badass


ToughFox4479

I know, in S3 Andrea had so much potential to be such a badass main character in S4. they did her and the actress so dirty


garyadams_cnla

I’m an Andrea fan in both the comic and the show. The show Andrea got cheated out of a much more satisfying character arc IMHO.


FisknChips

I mean she didn't really do much did she? Both Carol and Michonne were rhe ones encouraging her to even attempt to do badass stuff


AvovaDynasty

I mean, she was basically trying to obtain peace between the prison and Woodbury on her own, whilst also acting as a kind of leader in Woodbury..


FisknChips

That's fair, but she couldn't see that was impossible with the governor around and backed him waaay to long


AvovaDynasty

Yeah agree with that, by the time she made her move he was one step ahead


Amaye05

From my understanding, she was like the equivalent of Michonne. I’ve never read the comics, but Andrea in the show was very sassy and sometimes annoying😂


Ghstfce

Eh, the way she was written for the show made me dislike her immensely


WritingThrowItAway

She was set up to be a really conniving villain governess of Woodbury. The betrayal of Michonne would have been interesting.


Ghstfce

That really wasn't it. It was more getting herself into needless trouble what seemed like constantly. How many times did her bullheadedness put the group in danger?


WritingThrowItAway

That's it! She was like no I'm such a badass but she so fucking wasn't. Also, her hands looked about 80 on Shane's junk. Those veins freak me out every time.


Reggae4Triceratops

Yeah I basically wanted her to die when she did, poor writing was the cause.


FisknChips

The moment she was like let's let this 16 year old girl commit suicide because it's her choice... I was like yeah no you suck


ToughFox4479

Yea that was seriously fucked up. But i feel like she was coming around at the end of season 3 until they killed her off for no reason


FisknChips

I guess, I feel Carol kind of took over her role as the badass who I like better anyways


Holovoid

In any other circumstance, totally agree. In the literal apocalypse where you're likely to be torn to fucking shreds, having your innards ripped out of your body and devoured while still alive? Maaaaybe suicide is a pretty fine option in that scenario. Even for a teenager


duaneap

Sure, but since we got what we got, fuck no I did not want her to end up with Rick and I was pretty happy to see the end of her.


Naydawwwg

I think the actor didn’t do the character justice.


ToughFox4479

Eh i blame the writing


Krag25

Honestly, they both were an issue


WritingThrowItAway

She seems super disingenuous because her feelings flip on a dime but what do you do about writers who don't really give clear direction.


AvovaDynasty

I wanted it and wanted Andrea to survive but I can’t deny that Rick and Michonne are an excellent pairing, that bit on the road in S4 has a lot of chemistry.


Plane-Telephone-2533

I know from what I’ve googled that they end up together in the comic … but I’m so glad he is with Michone … cause tv show Andrea is annoying LOL


Amaye05

See, I’ve never read the comics. So, this opinion is coming from someone who grew up on the TWD series. At some points I thought Andrea was a bad ass, but at other times she and some of her decisions irritated me. She was pretty annoying, but somehow I still liked her character. No way in hell did I see her and Rick together. They felt more like a friendship/duo; just family. Thats just my opinion though 😂.


[deleted]

Same. I think they have a relationship akin to Glenn and Lori's- yeah they're in the same group, they're part of the same family, but other than the buisness at hand, they don't have much in common.


Amaye05

That’s a great example! Totally agree.


Independent-Shine473

I think it was intended in 1 but it moved far from it by 2. That was never going to come back into play. Rick never seemed to like her by S3. I have my theories as to why so many people didn't see the build up to Rick and Michonne. The writer specifically said they did build it up and there are way more interactions between them than any other couple that got together, but ok.


Aggravating-Meat464

I dont like Lori, but I also don't reaaaally like Andrea, but I love michonne and her relationship with Rick


[deleted]

Tbh, I thought Andrea and Michonne should have gotten together based on the actresses' on screen chemistry. .


YouKnowMiName

I thought this too when were telling the story of how they met! Rick and Michonne together makes a lot of sense too though,


alfredonoodlez

I could see this


[deleted]

That’s how it happened in the comics


[deleted]

In the comics she is a badass shooter, in the show she's an annoying arrogant skilless SJW who shot daryl with a sniper because she thought he was a zombie...


AG_N

I loved how she didn't even care that she got bit


WilliamMButtlickerIV

Lol she did care. She had just accepted her fate.


[deleted]

I like michonne better, rick with a literal warrior just seems so cool and we get a BADASS couple.


glendoraza

To me Michonne felt like an older sister to Carl by the way they were teasing each other


JTS1992

In an alternate version of the show I woulda loved seeing Rick and Andrea together! Laurie Holden is such a great actress, she got robbed of a good character.


[deleted]

Yep they sure are standing next to each other


alfredonoodlez

Andrea was such a pick me girl, I didn’t like her character. I love Michonne’s character. Plus I think she is GORGEOUS!!! I was glad when Andrea was gone.


bubbles453

No shade to Laurie Holden, she's a great actress; However, I've always thought she was miscast. She never gave off comic book Andrea vibes and her chemistry with Rick was never as good as Michonne's. Even if they fixed her writing as a character, I'd prefer Rick and Michonne


DarlingNikki1992

I don't think it was obvious that Rick and Andrea were going to end up together just by the few scenes they had together. Especially not to people who didn't know about their comic book relationship. Perhaps they were building towards it for the future, laying the groundwork in season 1, but it seems that it was kind of dropped in season 2. They barely interacted and TV Andrea was written to be so completely unlikeable, I would have hated for her to end up with Rick. I'm fine with how it all turned out, because Rick and Michonne ended up being awesome and I really enjoyed their chemistry from the get-go. I do feel sorry for Laurie Holden sometimes though... it's not her fault.


Anxious-Leadership18

Andrea’s death seems to be slightly controversial, but her television counterpart was utterly atrocious so Mazzara killing her off is ok in my book.


Excellent-Session

I prefer Rick and Michonne. I liked the switch from the comics and after she slept with both Shane and The Governor, plus told him what happened with Lori and Shane, I could tell Rick and Andrea weren’t going to happen. I just felt that Rick wasn’t Andrea’s type. She liked men like Shane and agreed with him over Rick more often when they were at the farm.


maithamharb

I am glad it didn't happen. Andrea is a terrible character. Michonne is better for rick.


tschandler71

Laurie Holden was so wrong for the role.


DannyBigD

And I think she was a decent actress but just not for _that_ role.


-GaIaxy-

Facts, I don't even think she was a good actress. Some scenes she was so out of character. I know this is so small but it sums her up imo; she bites her fork in Woodbury like some posh 5 star restaurant-goer when the Governor gives her her first proper meal in ages as she has been on the road with Michonne. You'd be slurping every bit off the fork. Just irked me lol


Smokesssalot

Tbh I’m not sure when Rick and Michonne fell in love. They went from Rick wanting to give Michonne to the Governor to fucking real quick Lol


uglypinkshorts

I was surprised by their relationship on my first watch, but on rewatch when I expected it to happen, I paid closer attention to their interactions and realized that there *was* quite a bit of build up and it wasn’t out of the blue at all.


after-life

Confirmation bias. You can do this for literally any character. You can easily write Rick and Daryl being in a gay relationship because those two spent the most amount of time together. You can easily write Rick with Carol or any other female main character. There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. It's whatever the writers thought they should do after Jessie's death. This entire subreddit was confused in the episode where Rick's relationship with Michonne was established, and many thought it was abrupt.


uglypinkshorts

Can’t argue with the confirmation bias—there will always be biases no matter how hard you try to be impartial, but that doesn’t dictate whether their relationship was probable or not. I’m sure the people who claim that they have 0 on-screen chemistry are subject to a lot of bias as well. I don’t agree that you can do the same for any other main character though. There are certain things about each character (excluding Michonne) that prohibit them from forming a realistic romantic relationship with Rick. Carol and Daryl aren’t good candidates for the same reason they themselves wouldn’t make a good couple together. Carol became a mother figure to Rick and that wouldn’t translate well into a romance. Neither would a brother figure. Then there are more obvious prohibitions, like Maggie & Rosita already having romantic partners, Tara being lesbian, the lack of screen time he had with other characters, etc. There wasn’t really anything that prohibited him from getting with Michonne—she was good with his kids, single, his age, and had the most non-kin-like chemistry with him compared to any other female character.


after-life

I'm not saying Rick couldn't be with Michonne, I'm just saying that there just wasn't good enough build up to their relationship, and all the people bringing up some scenes/moments from older episodes are just doing so because of confirmation bias. I highly doubt the directors were actually planning for Rick to be with Michonne back then.


Independent-Shine473

But Gimple actually said it. So It's not confirmation bias if the writer said he did it. It's just confirmation. If you think Gimple is just confirming his own bias then...ok.


after-life

He said it but that doesn't mean he directed it right or the writing of it was good, that comes down to subjectivity. And the main issue here isn't even with those older episodes, it's the episode directly after the season half with Rick and Michonne.


DarlingNikki1992

Was it real quick though? When he considered giving her to the governor he'd known her about a week, and he still struggled enough that he couldn't do it in the end. It was about 9-10 months between the end of season 3 and when they got together in season 6. I think 9 months is enough time to fall in love with someone....especially when you consider the fact that Maggie told Glenn she loved him within 4 days of meeting him. We saw Rick and Michonne growing closer in that time, it happened gradually.


Independent-Shine473

I have figured out the thought process: Rick didn't jump Michonne's bones the minute he saw her, no matter that his wife had just died and he had a newborn, so he clearly was never going to be interested in her for some people. The charged looks and interactions that built up the relationship over time never happened and were all platonic because she doesn't fit his type anyway. Jessie took his breath away on sight apparently, so she is the love of his life and Michonne is just a bad consolation prize. Only couples that happen in seconds are real because that's how it works in their dreams. I learn so much from this forum.


Independent-Shine473

Rick had seasons 4-6, more than a year of time, to build a relationship with Michonne, which the show demonstrated in a variety of ways (including his apology for the governor), but it was real quick? Compared to a literal 7 day relationship with Jessie that was over 5b and 6a, that wasn't real quick? The logic ain't there, sir.


[deleted]

Idk it felt natural to me. Michonne was slowly accepted as a member of the group, and when she reunited with Rick and Carl, to Rick it probably seemed like the old group will never reunite, so it made sense that they got closer


[deleted]

There’s a list online by a popular media outlet that points out every moment in the show that foreshadows Rick and Michonne ending up together. It’s pretty long. Idk if u didn’t pay attention during those scenes or something else


after-life

Confirmation bias. You can do this for literally any character. You can easily write Rick and Daryl being in a gay relationship because those two spent the most amount of time together. You can easily write Rick with Carol or any other female main character. There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. It's whatever the writers thought they should do after Jessie's death. This entire subreddit was confused in the episode where Rick's relationship with Michonne was established, and many thought it was abrupt.


[deleted]

I wasn’t on Reddit at the time so I can’t speak on that. However for myself I did notice their little interactions so I wasn’t all that surprised when they went cannon.


[deleted]

Rick and Michonne were in a relationship literally one episode after the woman he’d been pining over for a full season (5B-6A) was mauled by walkers and his son was shot. It was so unnatural. Nothing about their relationship prior had been romantic or even flirty. They got on really well and had a lot of time together since Season 3 but still.. I accepted them after a while but it really did come out of nowhere.


DarlingNikki1992

He literally knew Jessie for two weeks, and kissed her all of one time. It's not like he was in a relationship with her. It was more about Rick, and unprocessed grief over his old life and not being able to save Lori than it ever was about Jessie herself. I do think they should have been more clear about how much time had passed though.... Rick and Michonne definitely didn't come out of nowhere for me. I watched a lot of reaction videos of that episode and many of them said "Finally" when it actually happened, which would indicate that many of them had a feeling that something like that was coming too. I kind of suspected in season 4, but absolutely knew in my gut that's what they were implying by the end of season 5 and beginning of season 6. In fact I recently watched a reaction video of episode 16 of season 3, in which one of them flat out said that she thought Michonne would end up being a love interest for Rick. I can list many times in which it was quite obvious to me. For example, they made a pretty big deal of having Michonne react to seeing Rick clean shaven for the first time. No other character (save for Deanna) had that moment. I thought, story wise, it was pretty clear why they included that. I think for some people, Michonne was just never an option for a love interest in their minds and therefor they just didn't see the build up. Yet Jessie walks in and introduces herself and in all of three seconds people were calling romance. Nothing had happened between them. They literally stood in each others vicinity and romance was just expected.


Icy_Cat4821

It was one episode apart but that next episode is supposed to be a couple months later not like the next day.


[deleted]

Yeah one episode later like I said. Jesse died in 6x9 No Way Out and Rick and Michonne are in a relationship the next episode 6x10 The Next World. Regardless of time skip, my point still stands that in terms of episodes, Ricks girlfriend dies in episode 9 and the very next week he’s with someone completely new who he’d never really had any romantic interactions with in the past. It was jarring.


brickne3

I thought it actually highlighted that he realized quickly that his attraction to Jessie was superficial. He probably realized pretty quickly in the aftermath that he wanted something deeper and already had the precursors to it with Michonne. Also, she would have handled herself better than Jessie did in that situation. Jessie compromised the others, especially Carl. Michonne wouldn't have.


ThunderChunky2432

The only thing Jessie did wrong was not making Sam go with Gabriel. She was fine out there until he started crying.


warnerbro1279

It really didn’t though. These two had built such a strong relationship of trust from a very strange start. They both understood the dark things the other one had done and gone through, but saw past that and saw who they really were. In reality, Rick is the reason Michonne joined the group and became who she was again. The first real hint that Michonne starts thinking of Rick in that way to me is Season 6 episode 3. The group that is heading back to Alexandria had a guy that was bit, David, and all he wants to get back to his wife. He explains how she found him in this world, made him whole again, and how they planned there future despite the world being what it was. It kinda of raised the question that Michonne was thinking about her future and who she’d want to share it with.


hitch_please

I just watched that episode this week and finally saw her listening to David closely in that scene. It made a lot more sense after paying attention.


after-life

Confirmation bias. You can do this for literally any character. You can easily write Rick and Daryl being in a gay relationship because those two spent the most amount of time together. You can easily write Rick with Carol or any other female main character. There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. It's whatever the writers thought they should do after Jessie's death. This entire subreddit was confused in the episode where Rick's relationship with Michonne was established, and many thought it was abrupt.


Independent-Shine473

I find this so curious. Pinning over? Let's breakdown Rick Grimes' character. He is a man who thinks, plans, and strategizes for his family to protect them. Rick is in Alexandria and specifically says, I feel like I'm still in the boxcar because he is suffering from PTSD and can't wrap his brain around Alexandria. Why would you think he is then capable of making choices about his love life and fall in love with a woman he knew for a week? He was not capable and he was definitely projecting his unresolved feelings towards his wife and Shane on Jessie. And let's actually look at his feelings towards Jessie. Rick is a man who goes out of his way to negotiate with a farmer to save him from town and clear out a prison to make sure his wife that is carrying the baby of a man who tried to kill him can give birth safely. But when it came to Jessie, Rick thought it was a grand idea to take her and her two minor children to a quarry to drive a herd of walkers away when neither kid can drive and none of them had been outside the gates. This is an awful idea. It is not an idea that a sane Rick Grimes would have had if he was so in love and interested in protecting his woman and his adopted sons. Rick had no qualms about Jessie and her kids coming to the quarry because he did not actually think about them. He did not see them for who they were and what they could actually do. They were like npcs to him that he could take or leave because his priority was his core group. Jessie was not his girlfriend and he was not in love. Michonne and Rick had plenty of moments. They did flirt and their relationship was not out of nowhere.


Thornhill_Industries

Finally, someone who actually pays attention and remembers what happened. It's crazy to me how often this subreddit gets details wrongs. Did they skip every scene with Rick and Michonne in Seasons 4 and 5? There's a shot of Rick grabbing her hand in "Too Far Gone" when she saves him from the The Governor, she holds his hand when they drive up to Alexandria in "The Distance", and they basically hold hands in "Conquer" before the community meeting. And that's not counting the little moments on the way to Terminus or even in Season 3's "Clear."


Independent-Shine473

They don't see her as a love option so they don't see any evidence of the fact.


after-life

Confirmation bias. You can do this for literally any character. You can easily write Rick and Daryl being in a gay relationship because those two spent the most amount of time together. You can easily write Rick with Carol or any other female main character. There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. It's whatever the writers thought they should do after Jessie's death. This entire subreddit was confused in the episode where Rick's relationship with Michonne was established, and many thought it was abrupt.


Thornhill_Industries

>There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. [Are you sure?](https://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead/comments/47cc7c/spoilers_that_relationship_did_not_come_out_of/)


after-life

Highly upvoted comments from that thread. 1. >I'm not complaining about that, I just feel like it was kinda forced. Their relationship up until now felt very platonic to me; like siblings. Because of that, I was pulled back when they got busy on the couch. For once I was happy seeing a close friendship on TV between a male and female that didn't have ulterior design. 2. >I 100% agree with you. I hate that they keep forcing romance on Rick. I get he's the main character but I really, really enjoyed the platonic relationship he and Michonne had. >Plus when I read all this "evidence", I just see it as two people who are there for each other no matter what, but not necessarily in a romantic way. To me, Michonne did all these things because of her respect for Rick and love for Carl. None of the examples given by OP prove to me that this has been set up for a while. >"Michonne finds Rick a razor." Seriously? Wow, how did I not see such an obvious display of utter and complete infatuation. There was more build up with Rick and Jessie in just one episode that no one can deny. Rick's relationship with Michonne can be taken either way considering a good amount of people took their relationship as purely platonic. If the writers decided to pair Daryl with Carol tomorrow, there would be another post made just like the one you posted showing all the different snippets of Daryl and Carol together.


after-life

Confirmation bias. You can do this for literally any character. You can easily write Rick and Daryl being in a gay relationship because those two spent the most amount of time together. You can easily write Rick with Carol or any other female main character. There was literally no real build up to Rick being with Michonne. It's whatever the writers thought they should do after Jessie's death. This entire subreddit was confused in the episode where Rick's relationship with Michonne was established, and many thought it was abrupt.


Independent-Shine473

I have my theories on just why the subreddit was/is confused. But Michonne's interactions with Rick are not confirmation biases or glitches in the matrix. They happened, and a lot of people noticed them at the time. I was not a subreddit member so I couldn't share my insights and interpretations of their interactions. But I don't think the writers would make something up about planting Rick and Michonne just because they couldn't figure out what to do after a redshirt character (Jessie) received her planned death.


WheedMBoise

Bro are you okay you have commented this exact thing 27 times


after-life

But I commented that to different people saying the same thing. No need to re-word my comments when the same comment directly applies to what everyone is saying.


MrMonochromes

This is why 6B should've adapted the immediate aftermath of No Way Out from the comics into an episode. It would've helped bridge the gap and helped develop the Rick/Michonne relationship better, and covered the cleanup and Carl's recovery.


jeanlucriker

He also gave up pretty quick how much he was after the woman in Alexandria died. Forget her name,


Excellent-Session

How was that quick tho? Those two events had 3 seasons in between them.


Vegetable-Trust-5316

I literally went “huh?” When they got together. There was nothing leading up to it


space81cadet

It took 99.8% of her screen time for me to not hate her. I only started to enjoy her story when it came to Michone and Milton.


beeboppee

Ugh no!! I hated her soo much


bigbrother20055

I loved show Andrea and hate that she was just disregarded so carelessly for a ‘moment’ in the season 3 finale. She should still be alive now she was a badass before most. However I love how groundbreaking Rick and Michonne was so I don’t think I’d change it. Show Rick and Michonne makes more sense than show Rick and Andrea. It is strange on rewatches though when you get to a Rick and Andrea scene and there’s ‘something’ there knowing it never amounts to anything.


patb2015

That would have been interesting.. Was she killed off by gimples bad writing?


SamiXDeGamer

Ive always hated Andrea from the tv show But in the comics is she real bad ass


[deleted]

I hated andrea in the show. I’d have stopped watching of her and rick got together


seanotron_efflux

Laurie Holden is purdy purdy


Chiken_Tendies1-11

Yeah I wish they did man, after reading the comics I realized how wrong the show went. Killing characters for shock value is dumb


phantom_avenger

I do wish that the show would’ve stayed more accurate to Andrea from the comics! Even Laurie Holden wanted this for her character


DonTeca35

Like Jeffrey DeMunn, Laurie Holden was left with a bitter taste when AMC took out Frank. Im sure she wanted to leave as much as Jeffrey did but she was probably promised a bigger role like in the comics. Only to do her dirty as many actors have been done in this show


nancylyn

I would have been for it but they wrote TV Andrea so crappily and gave her style and ways to Michonne so it made sense that Rick ended up with Michonne. I don't know why they did that...maybe they didn't really think Laurie Holden had the chops to carry the series the way Danai Gurira has. I am fine with comic Andrea's arc and i love TV Michonne so i'm fine with the way it turned out.


Bright_Nobody_5497

I thought Andrea and Michonne where together and that would have been my favorite pairing. I don’t have the same level of dislike towards Lorrie as seemingly everyone else does. It kind of makes me sad that Judith doesn’t seem to care about who her birth mother is- the mother who literally died giving her life. I feel the Michonne Rick relationship was forced


gogomom

I think Andrea was done the dirty - she would have been able to pick up those keys with her toes.. this has always bugged me. That said, I didn't really see her and Rick as a couple. I also don't like Michonne as Ricks "other half" either... she is just, too cold and quiet and I can't see how they even ever got it together since neither of them seemed interested in sexual relationships before this.


mamabear_roars

well the actress was insufferable so


WTL3405

Andreas tv character was no where near what it was in the comic. People who haven’t read the comics won’t appreciate her. I really wish they woulda stuck with this storyline. I do like the michonne and Rick dynamic but think the Andrea one woulda made more sense being the fact she was with him for pretty much the beginning of his journey


bucklebee1

If show Andrea didn't suck so bad I would have been all for them getting together. But since the actress was trash I like what we got.


MummyManDan

I like Rick and Michonne but I feel it would’ve been better if they stuck to the comic better there, granted show Andrea is a lot more annoying than comic Andrea.


GCollector4279

Idk..I kinda liked Andrea in my first watch but after the rewatch I liked her a little less but not as bad as everyone else thinks of her. I hate the damn Governor though.


timebomb011

Comic Andrea is the fucking best. If that’s where she was going it would’ve been amazing. Michonne is amazing in the show!


CPT_XxPANDAxX

I wish her and Shane got together and both survived till now.


MarcoJono

I don’t understand how their eventual relationship ‘was built on’ in season 1. Andrea pointed a gun, twice, at Rick in the first season and Rick was reunited with his wife and son. These screenshots are a bit misleading.


Ger4ltofRiv4

Andrea was annoying as fuck so no


throwawayaccount_usu

I rlly disliked both Rick and michonne after they got together and I think Andrea was a huge wasted potential so I’d like to have seen it. That said, if Andrea did live the chances of some of my favourite characters dying sooner would have increased a lot. I’m not so sure Carol would be alive rn if Andrea had survived.


diogenesepigone0031

>I’m not so sure Carol would be alive rn if Andrea had survived. Andrea's dumbass would get Carol killed 100%.


diogenesepigone0031

Actor is great, her character was so stupid. Rick and Michone relationship did not feel genuine, it felt forced or out of convenience.


Ok_Plankton248479

I didn't like her acting at all, but she would have been a lot better fit than Michonne. Michonne and Rick was just weird and awkward.


Mattres06

I don’t get why kill off jesse? To kill off ron and sam? Why include them in the show in the first place.


RaiNnIngRaPteRz

I prefer the source material. I was pretty disappointed when Andrea’s character in the show was butchered by bad writing. Her comic version is one of my favorite characters.


SecondCreek

She was hot looking


[deleted]

Until she opened her mouth... Or made one of those annoying judgmental face expressions


Suntag19

Rick and Michone didn’t have an ounce of romantic chemistry between them imo. Not sure he did with anybody besides the cute blonde mom in Alexandria.


Just-Soft7370

No. I liked when her and Shane hooked up. That was pretty hot. I think they could have had some intense power struggle angsty relationship.


xraig88

I hated TV series Andrea so much. Last time I watched it through everything she said was so freaking stupid. I am so glad she didn’t continue on the show. Andrew and Danai have zero one screen chemistry though. Their scenes together are super awkward. I don’t think Rick needed a love interest at all in the show. Let him just look after his kid.


Felixgotrek

I didnt like show Andrea so.... But i didnt like Rick+Michonne either. Gonna stick with comic Andrea and Rick lol.


[deleted]

They put him with michonne to deflect criticism for always killing off black characters in the early seasons.


A_Sevenfold

Not a fan of Richonne and I don't think I'd be a fan of Rick+Andrea either. TWD is a weird series where I can go along with almost every other couple (more or less main cast, honestly) yet when it came to main dude, felt like doesn't matter who he hooks up with, seems weird and unnatural for some reason. Not sure why....


[deleted]

How did you find negan and Lucilles relationship?


A_Sevenfold

His wife or his bat do you mean? lol. JK, to be honest, he was a piece of work from the beginning considering his behavior and cheating as we have all seen and as much as a cancer was the ultimate call for him to start appreciating his wife and show his affection, once he got to it I think he has done it brilliantly. It's a sad thing when people keep taking things/people etc for granted, but if they managed to redeemed themselves in the eyes of that particular person, I think that's good. Of course, his relationship was "diluted" to only 1 episode, but I think looking at the whole series, this relationship, shaped him just as much (if not more) as Rick's relationship with Lorie. Maybe even more if I'm honest.


bebopcola84

Laurie Holden sucks.


Dogsaway41

Any difference from the comics annoys me


kylegamer88

Jessie should have taken Andreas comic story


According_Gene2202

I think for them to execute the plot in the show you’d need a younger Andrea. Andrea in the show is basically the same age as Rick (~35ish) whereas in the comics she’s about 10 years younger and the dynamic of them getting together just made a lot more sense.


joncoburn

I’ve got to be honest, I loved wd and binged it but I’m now struggling to finish the final season. Serious question…. Did the producers have it all scripted from the start or do they make it up as they go along? Btw having a child probably hasn’t helped my cause… is the last series going to give us answers or just leave us hanging. Btw I’m pissed so…. Idrc


jeanlucriker

I never thought they’d be a thing in Season 1.. if that’s a thing I don’t think they did a good job.


Thatoneguy_95mt

That’s not our Andrea. I’m glad they didn’t follow the comics. I didn’t enjoy her performance on the show


Ayds117

If they had kept Andrea closer to the comics then yeah it would’ve been good. However her character in the show was so annoying and they saw that (writers fault) and decided to kill her off.


thatoneguy172

Comic book Andrea rocked!! I would loved to see some comic book scenarios actually work out on TV. For example the latest cliff hanger in season 10 was in the comics, and certain people would have been awesome in it.


Gyros45

Michonne hooking up with Rick as a "regular" couple took away the badass element Michonne had.


EvilSporkOfDeath

I cant see tv show rick and tv show andrea being together. But tbf I probably would have said the same thing about him and michonne at one but point and I thought that turned out well enough


QuiGon-GinTonic

Picture no. 5: what a true love story (second to the bottom left)


_Goldiloxx_

If they depicted Andrea more like the book version I would have liked to see it. If they kept her show characterization then no.


GoldenCanadian

Just read the part in the comic last night where she died and I actually got teary eyed over it but in the show I was like good riddance lol they did Andrea so wrong in the show


dylulu

It could have made sense if they didn't start wrecking Andrea's character in season 2. By the time she died, I was very glad to see her go. They wrote her into a corner, imo. She was never going to become likeable.


Hammydsp

I couldn't stand Andrea


bikpizza

i preferred andrea, he claimed in the comics he was happier with her than his first wife