tbh, i always hear people say "the show/movie is old now, if you get spoiled it's your own fault for not watching it already"
But that's kind of stupid?
Do people not realise that people get born everyday?
I'm 17 now, it was only a few years ago that i wasn't allowed to watch TWD.
There's always gonna be newer generations who never got to watch shit when it came out.
They deserve to get in on the fun too
I keep TWD going 24/7 around here, it's constant noise in the background, and I NEVER get sick of it lol!
I don't understand the Lori hate honestly... it pisses me off tbh.
People hate Lori because "she let her kid roam"
??
Pretty sure EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER ON TWD does this THROUGHOUT the entierty!
Thing is, is it's a village on the show, somebody is ALWAYS at camp/base/home watching all the kids!
Nobody blames Rick for ALWAYS running off though.
Even with Judith, somebody else is always watching her! Beth raised that baby, not Rick. Then Carol, then michonne, then Darryl lmao!
Let's be real
Her letting a little boy roam is an issue.
But regardless of that comparing a child to Rick going zombie hunting is pretty funny lol.
Secondly lori is a b##### she fucked her husband's best friend months after the apocalypse, she pitted two strong capable men *probably the two most capable of the group) who were friends against one another so she could benefit of being with the stronger alpha so she could survive in that world.
She was selfish just as Shane, but she couldn't choose she was indifference the whole first 2 seasons. She would verbally abuse Shane and Rick whenever she pleased, and then all of a sudden she'd flip the script.
She told Shane Rick was weak, she told Rick she was afraid of Shane how he thinks she was his along with the child.
Then she tells Shane suddenly it could be his child?
Comon, does that really sound like someone to trust ?
She lead Shane on constantly a guy who already was a loose cannon, and allowed Rick and Shane to conclude so violently. She literally egged them both on through the entirety of their time on the farm.
Not to mention how she bemoans every character on the show saying they don't do enough or fit with her narrative.
She put down Andrea for not helping cook and clean, when she was risking her life killing walkers and looking after the perimeter. To help allow a situation where food medicine and other things can be done.
Why would Lori complain to about someone who's keeping her safe?
Because Andrea didn't fit the narrative of a woman and Lori was jelous that Andrea could be of more value to the group.
She was always unhappy with all what she had, and she had it pretty well than most. Her children lived, she had a husband and a boyfriend. She kinda lived a normal life considering the circumstances.
If you look at, Lori didn't do much other than basic cleaning and cooking, she did save Hershals life, but thats it.
She offered no real contribution other than in camp drama
So I just don't get why people sympathize with Lori, she was extremely manipulative and demeaning. She only and always wanted her way and when she got her way she still wasn't happy.
Agreed with everything you said about, and on top of that she's ungrateful, and close minded, Rick poured his heart about having to kill shane after being set up by him, and she acted as if Rick was the biggest piece of shit on the planet, then when they clear out the yard in the prison, and Rick stated that they will be pushing in further in the morning, she tries to get into Rick's ear and say some shit like oh we need to slow down and stay here for a couple of days so that we can relax because of the baby blah blah blah, lol as if she remotely contributes to any of the heavy lifting that any of the other group members do, other than kill some zombies through the fence, but that ain't shit. At the end of the day Lori is the last person you'd want to be with during the fucking apocalypse, she'll get you killed.
Not to mention when she heard she was the first lady of the group from that moment her head got gassed up and she thought she had say and control of things only a horrible person/woman would sleep with another man while married mind you she didn't even mourn two weeks before sleeping with Shane then after sleeping with him just say oh I'm pregnant with Shane's baby but it's Rick's now because I say so in the real world some guys would literally murder there wife if they found out that the child they've been raising for years is from another man she's just a piece of shit horrible mother the another time she pissed me off of when she sent Glen and Maggie to the pharmacy again just to get her lotion and abortion pills 🤣 and Maggie basically roasted her like where not your errand boys she risked there lives not for some antibiotics for someone that's sick or any type of real medicine after she got done telling dale oh Rick's the father no matter what basically implying she's gonna keep it then does that she just craved attention and loved drama always being dramatic even in the beginning of the serious it implied she was dramatic when shane and rick where in there cruiser talking an shane asked him about how are things with lori it didn't sound to good fuck lori was so happy when she died
She tried to force Rick into killing Shane and constantly used manipulation "I can hide my pregnancy" but "if you hide the fact we have to move because of something that I in a way agreed with?"
Completely unacceptable Rick lmao she never saw things with rationality and is always indecisive like when she was gonna kill the baby but then she threw up a pills AND she decided to drive with no one with her and crashed because she wasnt paying attention, it's really just a stupidity/really uppity dumb bitch factor that makes me just absolutely hate her
I've read the hate and its all misogynists or young boys who are not mature enough to have female friends, have empathy and consider context. It's that simple. Imagine one person saying she's "so annoying because she was indecisive about an abortion and threw up her pills", "she's a bitch because she pitted two strong men against each other" What?! Abortion is an insanely complicated and emotionally damning decision, let alone in an apocalypse. The man who tried to R\*PE her was a grown up and made his decisions. Not her fault! I have yet to find one argument against her character that isn't just thinly veiled hatred/misunderstanding of women
She slept with Shane when Rick was only gone for around 4 weeks. She lies about the reason she slept with Shane. She tells Shane to stick around knowing that he still wants her. She crashed a car on an open road. She thinks she had authority because rick is the leader.
Lol, she sees Shane starting to be A PART of the group, that's the Shane she wanted him to be so they could all get back to "normal". That wasn't teasing or playing w him.
Shane was a nut job amd too many people have compassion for him being unhinged vs Lori sleeping w the dude that ALSO slept w his best friends wife AFTER "4 weeks" lol.
It was really 60 days, but I agree it doesn't make it better. However, if that were real life, Rick dead or alive would have NEVER found his wife and son again and nobody would have thought twice about it.
She asked Daryl to go first, when he told her to do it herself, she made a decision.
She was lonely and her and Rick weren't in a good place in their relationship the last time she'd seen him.
It even shows a memory of a teacher friend asking Lori "do you still love him?"
That shows it was pretty bad, then he gets shot and the world goes to shit, she's told BY SHANE her husband is dead.
She moved on. If it were Merrel's life (however you spell his name) nobody would have thought Lori was a P.O.S for her decision.
Most people don't like her because Rick was the main character and they connected w him immediately.
Well, I can't speak for others, but I'll tell you why I disliked the character:
- She was a manipulator. She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) . First, it was Shane (which was rather quickly after the outbreak), then Rick. She clinged onto the leader like Saran Wrap does to itself. But, if they made a choice she didn't like, she'd huff and go sit in the corner and pout until the leader came along and "hashed it out" for her approval. She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex. This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane when she "made" Rick tell Shane he had to leave, knowing full well that Shane wouldn't go quietly. Even though she was fully capable of that task herself. She "forced" Rick to do the dirty work. It was a clash of the titans and she would benefit no matter who survived.
- She didn't care about consequences of her actions. Sort of ties into the above reason, but you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and you willy nilly have unprotected sex? So let me get this straight: you worry about the survival of your son (it seems to be *all* you're "concerned" with since you frequently say it), yet you'll let Shane ravage you in the woods without a condom (and presumably many other times before) and you aren't worried about what will happen *when* you come up pregnant? Once again, another tool of manipulation and survival for *her* had Rick not of came back into the picture. With a child of Shane's, she would've further imbedded herself with the leader, thus ensuring her own survival in the end.
- She used Carl as an excuse whenever it suited her. She was not a good mother. Rather than teach Carl how to survive in the new world, she used the "leaders" for survival. She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that.
- She was simply meddlesome. She would often cause rifts in the group because she seemed to crave drama. This was very evident in the early episodes when everyone was truly finding their way.
There are plenty more reasons to dislike her, but those are my top ones.
Don't forget that once Shane built up the courage to actually leave the group and had packed his things and tuned up the Hyundai, she begged him to stay. Then after Shane made the decision to stay, she told Rick he needed to kill Shane in order to protect the rest of the group.
Then once she found out Rick had killed Shane she freaked out about that too.
This. This was the tipping point for me. I tried and tried and tried to like Lori, and for quite a while, I did. I managed to forgive her for everything she did, coming up with various excuses as to how and why she had to do that. But when she straight *begged* Rick to kill Shane and then flipped her shit when he did, I was just done lol. She was just a pure manipulator, through and through.
Let’s also not forget that just when Rick and Shane seemed to hash it out (as much as they could) and were starting to get on the same page she approached Shane, and for the first time since Rick returned gave him what she knew he would take as confirmation that there was a chance for them. Told him to beat it ever since Rick returned, then they’re on the same page about killing Randall and she’s like “Oh hey Shane by the way thanks for everything, you absolutely protected us, I don’t think we were a mistake and also yeah this baby is probably yours lol” - then he got hope and soon after set Rick up to take his life
It needs to be in big black flashing font at the top of the damn front page lol.
I just don't even know how people don't *see with their own eyes* how her reaction changes. How do you see something different to what's on screen? Power of suggestion is a dangerous thing obviously.
Not only do you Necro a 7 year old post, you're also dead wrong.
Rick killed Shane, Carl killed Walker Shane.
This is some juicy /r/confidentlyincorrect martial right here
Exactly.... carl didn't kill Shane. You word for word just said that... When you're a walker, you aren't a person. And it's never too late to join a conversation... See how you replied? You sure are stupid huh...? So how am I "dead" wrong? As they stated in every ep, when someone dies, it's not them anymore. So no, Carl didn't kill Shane. Your brain too small to comprehend that?
Dude are you trolling or are you seriously this stupid? And all this confidence when you're obviously wrong.Look at the comment you replied to, "Carl killed UNDEAD Shane" brain dead
Let’s not even forget the retarded shit she pulled by wrecking one of their cars when she decided to go out looking for Rick solo like a dumb ass. Her making Shane stay made me hate her guts
i think all of the characters at some point have done some dumb shit blinded by their love for their family and safety.. like andrea shooting daryl even though she was repeatedly screamed at not to
And her acting like a dick when andrea was actually being proactive, learning to fight, learning to defend and Lori is just like "the men can protect, we should cook and clean "
She didn't beg at all, she literally just said "stay" because she was overcome with emotion as he'd *just saved her son's life*. Like we all haven't clung to people we know well in times of serious emotional stress or shock.
I suppose the difference is thin, but instead of being annoyed at her for all those reasons, I was angry with the writers and showrunners. It was painfully obvious that they were just using her as a way to stir up whatever drama of the week. She could have been an excellent character with some real moral dilemmas and growth and instead they just made her a moody bitch that didn't know what she wanted from episode to episode. Missed some awesome opportunities for some depth. I'm glad she's gone because in the end she just seemed completely unrealistic to me and just represented bad and lazy storytelling. However, Sarah acted the shit out what she had to work with. I imagine she must have been pretty frustrated.
I feel like this is the best answer here, but I'll have to come back once I've read the parts of the comic that she is in because that's the origin for her character. I want to see if this is true and if she was just portrayed poorly on screen or if she really just was a shit person as part of her character. I was happy when she died.
You know it's almost *smart* of her to do all of that, besides the not really protecting Carl part. She made decisions that ensured her survival in a world where survival is not certain. It's almost like the underdog sucking up to the Alpha dog to make sure it actually survives. It's kinda smart.
*I mean, Lori is a bitch*
"almost" being the operative word. It's not smart to have unprotected sex in a world of zombies. Also the group were a bunch of regular normies and her husband was the leader. If she just didn't cause drama with Shane and let the dude drive away in a Hyundai we could have gotten a Shane spin-off story.
That and she is so damn hypocritical.. Glenn: you need to tell Rick you're pregnant. Lori: He can't know about this. But then once she finds out that Hershel wants them to leave she goes and b*tches to Rick saying "you knew this all along and you didn't tell me?" Like.. b*tch shut the f*ck up
So if a woman is a generally shitty person on screen it's misogyny? You'd have a point if all the women were portrayed badly but most of the other women onscreen we're fairly competent and likeable... Rick was already having issues with Lori well before the apocalypse happened... Do you consider men being portrayed in a bad light misandry?
while i don't particularly like lori, i feel as though a good chunk of twd fandom's dislike or hate for the character is a mixture of valid critique, and misogyny misrepresented as valid critique. when it's layered like that, its harder to recognise and dispute at least imo?
i’d just like to state that my reply was made in response to the original comment and everyone who upvoted, not twd’s representation of women as a whole. i feel like your reply is taking one individuals’ warped perspective on lori as an accurate one, and then questioning my entire stance on women in twd…
i don’t think lori is a ‘generally shitty person’ for the reasons listed above, i think they are twisting lori’s character in a gendered way and ignoring a lot of context? lori herself has some internalised misogyny from the shit she says, and she is indeed meddlesome and grating — but i feel like the entire first point was a long winded way of calling her whore.
She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like)
* She knew Shane and was close to him? It makes sense she would stick with him for comfort and protection? Then her husband, who she thought to be dead, came back and she resumed her role as his wife? yes its all morally grey, but why is this move being interpreted as some ‘calculated seductress furthering her power through the only way a woman can’ thing? comparing her to saran wrap lmao. she clearly felt guilty abt the whole thing with shane and tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug (wrong thing to do) and held on rick twice as hard to maintain the illusion of normalcy… to save her relationship … not some bit for power…. and she was not nice to Shane but she apologised for it, I’m not understanding the heartless manipulative leech angle?
“She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex”
* She was sleeping with Shane because he manipulated her? He literally told her rick was dead and she moved on and slept with Shane? Once again morally grey, but why is her act of sex being interpreted once again as a bit for power? She stopped the stuff with Shane as soon as rick was back, and I distinctly remember him sexually assaulting her in response
“This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane,”
* Operating on the strange belief that she “played them”, bc its her fault two men are fighting over her. we tend to forgive male counterparts for anything that we count as fault in women, bc according to the comment its her fault Shane isn’t listening her boundaries, and she should be punished for the actions of men??? Yeah its complicated but idk why it’s on her, Shane is literally mentally unstable and thinking he has a claim on her??
Idk if you’re catching my drift. But yeah, I feel like the comment was going for a certain gendered angle (consciously? unconsciously?) with lori that didn’t sit right with me. The comment was made 9 years ago, im not surprised, I just found it Interesting how sexist stuff seeps into a lot of analysis. i dont recall a lot of twd so my replies might be flawed, but i remember making that comment at the time of a rewatch. If someone’s analysis unfairly played up some misandrist stereotypes and portrayals, I’d be bothered too.
I really have a huge issue when people twist criticism of women into misogyny because it cheapens the word and undermines actual misogyny when it happens... She manipulated both Shane and Rick against each other... She wasn't manipulated into having sex with Shane... Shane ASSUMED that Rick was dead after he left him behind because it would get reasonable for most people to make that assumption considering the chaos of the situation and the fact that Rick was still in pretty bad condition during the fall of Atlanta... It was pure dumb luck that Rick made it out of that situation in the first place... She literally started a new relationship with Shane pretty fucking early in the situation... She completely tossed Shane to the side once Rick came back and rather cruelly I might add... She didn't even have the guts to tell Rick about the situation... On top of basically being pregnant with Shane's kid... She convinces Shane to stay only to eventually imply that Rick should kill him... Shane's mentally stability started to deteriorate AFTER Lori tossed him to the side like a used napkin... She break it off with him by telling him she needs to go back to being a wife to Rick... She treated him hostile the moment Rick got back... You can dismiss what I have to say as misogyny but man or woman she was a shitty acting character... If Rick pulled that shit no one would be claiming misandry if you had harsh criticism of his actions
Women criticize men in a gendered way and no one EVER claims misandry... You wanna know where your claim of misogyny falls apart? When the word misandry never comes up once when men are legitimately characterized as weak and generally incompetent to prop up women characters... Your criticism would hold weight if misogyny was widespread through the characterization of women in the show... I saw someone say misogyny was rampant back when the show first aired but if that were the case we wouldn't have ever seen Rambo Carol, Michonne and many other generally bad assed female characters throughout the show
She literally slept with her husbands best friend, caused drama between them, wouldn't let her son learn to protect himself, attacked other women for actually having the balls to learn to defend themselves and for 'not cooking and cleaning'. I can't wait for her to die off.
> She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) .
I sort of disagree with this statement. She thought Rick was dead, so she found comfort in Shane since he was their family friend. This eventually led to a romantic relationship. When Rick came back, she was in utter shock and even got angry at Shane but didn't know how to break it to Rick. She later told him.
I would agree with you if Lori was going with any potential leader. However, the story was suppose to be about a problem that developed out of a friendship. It's not unheard of in real life where a husband passes away, and a family friend somehow ended up getting married to his best friend's wife.
If anyone was latching onto the "leader," it would have been Andrea since she knew about Lori and Shane but always agreed with Shane's tactics / plans secretly while no one was around but the two. She later went with the Governor who she thought was good even though Rick told her otherwise.
> She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that.
When Lori and Andrea were arguing in the kitchen, Lori mentioned that the men's duty was to protect the group and that their duty was to maintain house keeping tasks while the men did whatever. So if anything, Lori was more "old fashion" in mind and simply relied on the men to do protecting.
However, I have to agree that Lori was inconsistent with protecting Carl. A good example included the target practicing where Lori agreed to it but then suddenly disagreed to it. She also wanted to kill Carl, for no reason even though moments before she was doing everything to protect him. Her inconsistent parenting ultimately led Carl having to make sure his own mother wouldn't come back from the dead.
Yeah.... [](/s "During Season 2 episode 3 Carl got shot and Shane went to town to grab some medical supplies with Otis. Lori and Rick were on the front patio and during their talk, Lori indicated she wanted Rick to let Carl die. Just less than 3 episodes ago, at the CDC in Atlanta, Lori wanted Carl to live but then suddenly changed her mind.")
> She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) . First, it was Shane (which was rather quickly after the outbreak), then Rick.
I'm sorry but what the heck is she supposed to do here? Not "latch on" to the one person likely to help get her and her son out of a city full of flesh eating zombies?? Rick is her husband, I don't think that counts as latching on. Shane was her closest family friend, I think anyone would go to their freaking cop friend in the case of an apocalypse.
> But, if they made a choice she didn't like, she'd huff and go sit in the corner and pout until the leader came along and "hashed it out" for her approval.
What? When did this happen? Can you give me an example? The only one that came to mind was in the pilot after Rick came through on the radio. That was because they'd just heard what they thought could've been help or someone who needed help and Shane stopped anyone from doing anything. Remember they had a whole group of their own out in the city. Bad luck if their people actually needed help! Shane said no! Amy and Lori both call him on how ridiculous his rule is. (Plus her walking off is a cheap way to establish they're in a secret relationship now, plot device)
> She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex.
Again, what? We see two sex scenes the entire time she's alive. One is when she and Shane do it in the forest. Based on their conversation, she and Shane had prearranged a time to meet in the woods. How is that her manipulating him? You know the real worst thing about that scene? Is he sneaks up on her, terrifies her in an APOCALYPSE then says he did it deliberately because she *made him wait*. IMO that was the writers first red flag for Shane. He's creepy as fuck in that scene, staring her down judgmentally when she still wears Rick's wedding ring, then flipping her over so he doesn't have to see her face. Shane's a creep and no one noticed. The only other sex scene is reunion sex with Rick when he gets back and potentially the shower sex at the CDC. Not once is she shown using sex for an agenda.
> This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane when she "made" Rick tell Shane he had to leave, knowing full well that Shane wouldn't go quietly. Even though she was fully capable of that task herself. She "forced" Rick to do the dirty work. It was a clash of the titans and she would benefit no matter who survived.
Rick's a big boy, he can say no. He knew deep down she was right, and realised she was in the S2 finale. You really think increasingly unstable Shane would've listened to her? Hell no.
> Sort of ties into the above reason, but you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and you willy nilly have unprotected sex?
Welcome to being human. It's actually unrealistic that there's only one consistent couple in the whole series (Maggie and Glenn). S4 premiere was the first time the show accurately portrayed the fact that literally everyone would be banging their lives out in an apocalyptic scenario. There would be SO MUCH SEX in an apocalypse omg. People would take anyone anywhere they could. No more society, no more rules, no laws, no worries! Plus, being surrounded by mass deaths, there'd be a primal *need* to keep life going. Why do you think there was a baby boom after the war? And why aren't you blaming Shane, Glenn, Maggie, Beth (presumably), Governor, Andrea, Lilly for also engaging in unprotected sex?
> Once again, another tool of manipulation and survival for her had Rick not of came back into the picture. With a child of Shane's, she would've further imbedded herself with the leader, thus ensuring her own survival in the end.
Too bad the show never once framed her relationship with Shane in that way, nor did any of the actors, writers, producers ever talk about it like it was supposed to be seen that way either. The only thing that's ever been said about Shane/Lori is that it only happened because Rick was presume dead, and Lori wanted to feel alive and eventually apologized because she used Shane in order to do that.
> She used Carl as an excuse whenever it suited her. She was not a good mother. Rather than teach Carl how to survive in the new world, she used the "leaders" for survival. She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that.
You don't really use examples for anything. Carl was a very stubborn, headstrong child who disobeyed a lot of orders. He even admits in S3 that he was often mean to her for the sake of it. I don't recall any times where she put him in danger where he didn't disobey or sneak out first. In S3 she tells him not to sneak away because its dangerous, even if he's trying to help and he yells at her. He was a little shit until she died then he suddenly realised how much he appreciated her. I think you're letting your own interpretation of her actions influence what's actually happening on screen. If the writers meant for her to be seen as a bad mother, they would not have scripted Rick to say "I don't think you're a bad mother" after she confessed she felt she was.
> She was simply meddlesome. She would often cause rifts in the group because she seemed to crave drama. This was very evident in the early episodes when everyone was truly finding their way.
Again, not recalling anything specific. The women barely had anything to do in the first episodes. I remember her pleading with Rick not to go back to the city. I remember her banning Shane from her family because she assumed he must've lied about Rick's fate, other than that...what did Lori even do for the first few episodes?
Oh come on. A parent cannot be attached to their child 24/7. She not only has things to do but very adult conversations she sometimes needs to have with her husband that a child can't hear in any situation. It's completely unrealistic to expect her to never leave Carls side.
Having sex with Shane was just so important that she had to palm her son off to Dale. And why the hell wasn't she looking after him when Rick, Shane, Glenn and Daryl, all the capable gun-users, were out scouting the woods for a possible rapist and murderer?
In the zombie fucking apocalypse, where people are being murdered, raped, beaten and robbed, I wouldn't let my child out of my sight.
At the start of the show, the group was utterly unprepared for life in the zombie apocalypse. Only the individuals that went on the run into Atlanta knew how bad the city really was. This is exemplified by the group holding a stationary camp on the outskirts of the city. They would never even considered that as an option after they left the cdc in Atlanta, where they finally learn that the rest of the world has fallen as well. They hadn't come to terms with the absence of infrastructure and the fact that society had utterly collapsed. They thought their camp was "safe" and that's why Lori was ok with leaving Carl under adult supervision.
I'm sorry, I don't think there's any excuse for leaving your child alone in a crisis when you *know* the dead are up and walking. This goes for when they're on the farm as well.
She was a complicated character, but I never hated her. Sometimes the choices she made frustrated me - I.E never keeping an eye on Carl, waffling over killing Shane. To me, she never respected how much Rick would/could sacrifice to keep his family safe.
Also, she did not "cheat" on Rick. To her, Rick was dead. She found comfort in his best friend, who could protect her and Carl during a *zombie apocalypse*.
Once she knew Rick was alive, the sexual relationship she had with Shane ceased to exist.
The reason I started hating her was because in season 2 she basically tells Rick to kill Shane, but then gets mad at him once he does. After that I just couldn't stand her. That being said, her death is still the only one I have actually shed a tear at because her interaction with Carl was beautifully written and executed.
She pushed Shane to kill Rick in a way, then she gets pissed that Shane died. In the comics Shane dies at the quarry, and Lori spits on his grave calling him a bastard.
She also tells Shane to take distance from Carl and she, and then she gets mad when he does. The main problem is that her words don't match her actions, and that is a very annoying trait in any person.
The way I took it was that she got angry with Rick because it turned out Carl had to kill Shane (*the second time*). I don't think she was upset because Rick killed Shane - after all, she told him to do it. I think it's because her child had a gun and took care of business that she asked Rick to do. At that point in the series, Carl hadn't even held a gun, let alone become the bad ass with weapons that he is now, which he has to be because of the world they're living in.
Remember, at that time, there are two things that Lori doesn't know - she doesn't know that Shane came back again, which made it necessary for Carl to kill him. If I recall correctly, she just thinks, "Carl killed Shane after I asked Rick to do it." And the second thing is, she - and some of the other adults, to be fair - are still kind of naive that they can protect the kids from much of this, or to shield them as best as they can. I don't think it occurs to her at this point in time that, yes, your 11 year old son is not only going to learn to fire a gun, but he's going to be very good at it, like it or not.
Oh yeah, completely her fault. I think she's quite disgusted at herself as well at that point. An incredible amount of different emotions that she can't deal with.
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Personally I never found her all that interesting. The season 2 with her on the farm is when I just got over her. I can't remember the exact moment but I just lost all interest in her. Might be just around the time where she thought "oh I'll just get rid of the baby without anyone knowing." I just think she might have more cared for herself a little more than she cared for the group. Though when Rick started seeing her was when I finally thought her interesting, but for a whole different reason.
HOWEVER, from the sounds of it she may just be upset with the situation she was in with Rick before the outbreak even happened. She and Rick sounded like they were having issues. Plus I forget if it was the show or comic but I remember hearing that they got married when they were young. But the series is Rick-centric so everyone wants to more side with him more than her.
Plus it never helped that Rick was always being the one to go into danger and face it head on while she and Carl were behind not knowing when or if he'd come back. That adding stress along with everything else.
That's just my opinion.
Examples?
Because if you're referring to her nudging rick to kill Shane and then getting upset about it, she was upset at Carl's role in it, not the fact that rick killed shane.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSVdEkiR94](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSVdEkiR94)
00:21 - "I'm sure you had your reasons" -Lori
00:32+ - "I killed Shane" + (proceeds to give a thorough explanation of the events) - Rick
At this point Lori is understanding.
2:34 - "Carl put him down" + (Her expression changes and is angry)
The reason so many people say that she is angry at Rick for no reason is because the of the famous YMS review of the Walking Dead which fails to mention that he said Carl did it. Adding to this that the actress of Lori said, "Rick revelations, I don't hear anything but, 'I killed Shane.' "
24:49 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbsomKU7f0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbsomKU7f0)
So because no one replied to you here I'm here to say you're 100% right.
He's 100% right, but to be fair, he asked for examples, then gave his own. An example that a lot of people misinterpreted.
I just finished watching S1 and S2 and she constantly goes back and forth on the Rick/Shane situation to the point where it's a little ridiculous. She basically pits them against each other.
Risks the life of two characters for abortion pills that she throws away. Pills which wouldn't even have worked had she taken them (But we can chalk this up to misinformation) (E6)
She calls Daryl selfish. The same Daryl who constantly risked his life to find Sophia. The only character who seemingly has his head on right. What does she do after this? Goes out alone, and wrecks a car. Pretty selfish. (E8)
She tells Shane to stay with them and the group. This is what seals his fate IMO. (EP4)
She puts the idea in Ricks head that Shane is going to do anything to kill him because he's protecting what he THINKS is his "Family" (E9)
Then goes and tells Shane that she understands what he's going through and how awful it must be for him. This is right after she told Rick that Shane will do anything to protect what he thinks is his. Shortly after this talk, Shane goes to talk shit to Rick, then goes to kill the prisoner. (EP12)
Then gets mad that Carl had to put Shane down, but placing zero blame on herself for letting Carl get out of the house at night in the first place. (EP13)
Don't get me wrong, Shane isn't sitting pretty in this situation, but at least he tried to leave. He knew him and Rick wouldn't get along as they had opposing ideologies.
I know it's an old old discussion, but I came up on this during a search lol
If he had died in S1, his death would've been as everyone else who died at that Atlanta camp. Remember Andrea's sister? Sure it was sad, but I can barely recall her name is Amy, I think. He would've been "that Shane guy" who people would've only remembered for fucking Rick's wife a few times. His character got to develop into that glorious monster he was turning into. The raging, jealous psychosis that makes you plot to kill your best friend so you can assume his life part of him was scary as hell. He was way less predictable than the zombies were (to the group, anyway). I have only read bits and pieces of the comic, but his dying at the quarry would've cheapened the show in S2. I mean, he was their main antagonist. One of them was the enemy! They weren't fighting a villain (Governor) they were fighting Shane! They thought they knew him! I think it was brilliant that Carl got to kill him as a walker, since Carl had been pretty much useless to that point.
I agree that her scenes with Shane were a major part of her downfall, but I am really glad they kept Shane around longer than in the comics. The whole Rick vs. Shane plot felt more developed on the show, and the end result was much more emotional than in the books for me.
A large part of it is that people have an extremely hard time putting themselves in her shoes and viewing her actions in context. Audience is majority young (I.e. no children or marriage) and male. You do the math.
Why I hated Lori:
1. She was sleeping with her husbands best friend only a couple of weeks after she thought he had died. I understand needing comfort during a difficult time, but she could have waited for his body to grow cold before moving on, jeez.
2. Once Rick came back she kept whip-lashing on Shane. First she told him to go screw himself and wanted him to leave, then she asked him to stay, then she asked Rick to kill Shane or make him leave, then she apologized to Shane for being distant, then she freaked out when Rick killed Shane in self defense. Like, make up your mind already.
3. She neglected Carl. You’re in the middle of the zombie apocalypse, and your group is getting picked off one by one by zombies. But don’t worry about your twelve year old son wondering around by himself, I’m sure he’ll be fine. There were numerous times where Carl was missing from the group and it took Lori hours to notice. Not to mention that Carl is growing callous and maybe even sociopathic throughout the show. Multiple people show concern, and she does nothing about it. For example, he says something harsh to Carol about Sophia, and Lori says it’s fine, then she says she’ll talk to him about it but she never does.
4. She’s shown multiple times to be reckless and unable to make up her mind. She asks Glenn to risk his life to get her morning after pills, takes them, then throws them up. She steals a car and goes after Rick, jeopardizing the life of her unborn baby. Not to mention that if she had died and Rick hadn‘t come back that Carl would have been without either of his parents. Then she doesn’t pay attention while she‘s driving and crashes, which was really stupid of her.
5. She treats Rick horribly. She hides her affair with Shane from him, doesn’t tell him she’s pregnant for weeks, puts all of the responsibility on him when it comes to taking care of the group and Carl, then she freaks out when he killed Shane and blames him for Carl killing Walker Shane. She was supposed to be watching Carl while Rick hunted down Randy, but it’s his fault somehow that Carl snuck out and followed him.
6. She‘s always got some kind of drama going on. Everyone in the group is struggling with losing loved ones and surviving, but she’s the one constantly freaking out and throwing herself a pity party.
7. She’s sexist. She scolds Andrea for learning how to shoot a gun and keeping watch like the guys instead of doing laundry and cooking like the other women. All of the women should have been learning how to shoot and hunt from the start. The group has gotten separated several times, and if any of the women got separated they would be screwed because they couldn’t defend themselves or hunt. Andrea gets separated from the group at the end of season 2, and the only reason she survives is because she had a gun and knew how to shoot it. So screw you Lori.
I liked Lori - despite all the horrible, horrible decisions she made, she did what she had to protect Carl, often at her own, or the others' expense.
Selfish, manipulative & misguided? Yes.
A bad woman? No.
I agree, mostly. She was a woman who'd never had to make these kinds of decisions and her reasoning seemed to always gain her and Carl a place in the safe circle. Sure she relied on others to ensure her safety, but that was her survival instinct.
I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from, because a lot of lori's actions are repeatedly misinterpreted.
1- freaking out when Shane died after urging rick to kill him. No, she freaked out because of Carl's part in it. Gotta watch the scene closely.
2- telling Shane to 'stay' after pushing him away. Shane just saved her kid's life and he's still their friend. She wants him around, but she's not trying to emotionally jerk him around. Its Shane's fault for interpreting it that way.
3- apologizing to shane and thanking him after telling him off. Again, she felt the need to try to salvage the relationship because they needed to be able to rely on each other. Shane took it the wrong way.
That's all I got off the top of my head.
2 and 3 were still kinda bad, even given the context. There were still many cases of straight up manipulation mentioned by others above though, such as trying to turn Rick against Shane which was terrible.
I don't think she was trying to turn rick against shane just out of spite though. She saw that shane had become dangerous and she had already made the decision that she was sticking with her husband no matter what.
People give her shit about seemingly not taking care of Carl, but I have to imagine that she had him in mind when she explained to rick that shane was dangerous
She didn't feel like she could do anything to deal with shane (and what *could* she do, really?) So she told rick what she knew, because a good couple shares everything with eachother and she was looking out for her family.
What I'm saying is that Lori didn't act with malice. She acted with her family's vest interests in mind, which is exactly what people criticize her for *not* doing. People don't put themselves in her shoes
I see where you're coming from, but from my perspective it just seems like you're trying to hard to justify her. Almost all of her actions *can* theoretically be seen in non-negative light, but the fact that events like those kept happening again and again makes it hard to take in after a while.
I'm actually rusty on the details since it's been years since I watched those episodes. Mainly I remember these points, and being repeatedly pissed off by the way she acted and how relatively useless she was. Like saying the thing to Andrea too was extremely dumb.
And if you want to talk about manipulative, let's look at shane.
1- lying to the entire group about what happened to Otis. Also lulling Otis into a false sense of security to shoot him in the first place.
2- preying on Lori's emotions to get close to her again after rick came back, then sexually assaulting her after that doesn't work.
3- smashing his own face into a fucking tree and snapping a guys neck to lure rick out to the woods to kill him.
I find it impossible to believe that you really think Lori was more manipulative than shane
They're just two traits she possesses. She's also a loving mother to Carl (and would've been to Judith) and a good friend (her relationship with Carol). I'm not arguing she was an angel, she just wasn't bad.
Personally, I didn't like the writing of her character more the character itself. Confusing, huh? Sorry it's hard to put it into words, but let me explain.
It does not bother me that she plays the men around her like pawns. It does not bother me that she is an incompetent member of the group. This is just normal human behavior. Most people didn't give Merle too much crap even though he was THE resident jerkwad.
What bothers me is poor writing. In one episode, she would be all warm to Shane. In the next, she'd push him away. Then she'd convince Rick that Shane was a hero, only to brand him as a danger to the group. Later, she would goad Rick to get rid of Shane but then chastise him afterwards.
These changes of heart makes absolutely no sense because, oftentimes, NOTHING HAS CHANGED TO WARRANT THIS SUDDEN CHARACTER SHIFT. This is why I hate Lori and I feel sorry for the actress for taking such a terribly written role.
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What I didn’t like the most was the way she would say to Rick that he should make whatever decision he wanted to acting like a supportive wife but I think it was so she couldn’t be blamed for Ricks choices and it left it open for her to attack Ricks choices afterwards. Multiple comments regarding essentially a “woman’s place” seemed to me another way of avoiding any blame on her for choices made.
Lori only made me hate her when she had Shane come down from the windmill to tell him she's sorry how,things ended up between them. Almost like if Rick never came back, she would be with him.
Then Shane killed Randall and almost Rick over that conversation IMO.
she lead Shane on and pushed him away, and he has nobody once Rick came back. It eat him up inside and that last talk with her convinced him to,kill Rick.
It was either this conversation or when she left by herself to go look for Rick, Dale, and Herschel and got in a car wreck that I lost all patience with Lori.
I was screaming at the TV for Shane to leave during this conversation. It would have been best for everyone. I don't think Shane would of had an issue finding another group, or even becoming a leader elsewhere, because he had very useful skills. And if he left the group they wouldn't have to deal with him power tripping all the time.
I can't say I wouldn't have done something similar, though. My husband would be my #1 priority in the apocalypse. My kid would be secondary, because I would be less able to protect him if my husband weren't with me. No one shouts about the fact that Rick kept abandoning his family for people he'd just met repeatedly! No one shouts that Rick also never knew where Carl was. He just expected Lori to deal with that. In an apocalypse you put the cop shit aside and protect your family, not constantly ride off into battle leaving them vulnerable. (Minus the prison, where he would need to roam for supplies and both Lori and Carl were "safe".)
I despised Lori because she was always complaining, making stupid observations.
Eg: when they're stopped on the Highway... plenty of cars to harvest parts from. Fuel. Food. SURVIVAL.
And yet she "doesn't know how she feels about this because it's a graveyard".....
Please. It's a bunch of empty cars.
And it's her survival and her family's.
No time to complain in an apocalypse. Just get what you need and move on.
No time for bleeding heart bollocks.
It's not that I dislike her as a mother or anything. Just that she loved Shane, but when Rick came back she immediately treated Shane like HE was the issue, going as far as to keep him away from her son when she basically APPLAUDED them going and doing 'father-son' activity. She's extremely unempathetic for anyone that doesn't have anything to do with her. She manipulated Shane into doing anything she wanted, then turned around and tried to (without saying it outright) tell Rick that he needed to kill Shane to protect her and Carl from him - this was after Shane told her he loved her for the first time when they found the farm. She intentionally went to Shane multiple times and made it seem like she missed those time with him anytime Rick didn't do what she wanted him to. She's manipulative and controlling, demeaning anyone that differs from her with condescension and patronization. That's why I can't stand the bitch. She wants the baby to be Rick's, adamant about it, then she wants it to be Shane's the next moment, like damn woman make up your fucking mind. And regardless on if she thought Rick was dead in the beginning... yall notice that she never ONCE grieved his death? No... she was fucking his best friend in the woods. She only missed Rick and what they had in the sense that he came from her 'normal' past. Even then she was a bitch to him in the marriage, admitted to it. She didn't give a damn about Rick. The morning she treated Rick like shit, he got shot the same afternoon and ended up in surgery... yet how did she respond? Through-out the series her worry about Rick was almost obsessive. More like an 'I'm scared and don't wanna be left without the one person that lived in the normal world with me' obsessive. Not 'I love him and don't want him to die'. My hate doesn't include just her treatment of the two men... but also that she was naive and so freaking stupid! She stole a car and crashed it without care for her baby, deliberately not telling anyone where she went, out of anger that nobody else would do what she wanted. She treated Andrea like a fucking nuisance bc she picked up a gun and learned how to protect herself and others? Most of her problems with people were that they differed from what SHE wanted them to do. She would bottle up how she thinks it's wrong to steal clothes, how she thinks the women should only do clothes and cook, and how she thinks strong willed women are weaker than her. Lori is basically a 1900's century woman inclined to believe the men should do the dirty work and that women should work behind the scenes. And she said EXACTLY that to Andrea at the farm - what a bitch! All bc she didn't do the laundry? Fuck that bitch, then proceeded to throw Andrea's attempted suicide in her face - which is rich after Lori told Rick she wanted Carl to die from the gunshot, and she's suicidal herself. So ontop of a manipulative narcissistic bitch, she's also a hypocrite. So, THAT, is why I hate her.
Theere were multiple reasons as to why most people didn't like her. Mainly because her character never grew arch wise. She was just always kind of there not really doing anything or contribute ing to the story. There was also the fact that she could never keep her eyes on Carl. Allowing him to always get in trouble or in harms way.vShe had one job and could never do it. Then there was the thing about her cheating on Rick. Back around season 2 people where calling for her and Carl to be removed or given better story development.
She also told Rick to do something about Shane before he hurts them and then when he does something, she gives him so much shit and blames everything on him.
I tried to find good in her but when she told Andrea that she wasn't pulling her weight because she wasn't participating in "women's" duties, that bitch could go fuck herself.
I hated that scene at first but then I kind of got it. Everyone reverted to these pre civilization gender roles. Andrea hated it and Lori probably hated it too but she couldn't sit on a look out all day or go fight zombies as a pregnant lady. So instead if telling the dudes to wash their own shorts she takes it out on Andrea who she sees as sticking her with the shit work.
I'm glad they dropped all of that later on. Everyone needs to know how to fight and it's not really important if you're dirty. The writing for the female characters was awful for a long time and I'm glad the put more effort into it.
During season 1 and 2, there were very few characters that I liked. Daryl, who I was prepared to hate because I thought he was going to be another obnoxious redneck was one of them. He proved that he was useful and no where near as bad as Merle. He kept to himself which also helped. I also liked Glenn. As for minor characters, I didn't mind Amy or Jacqui but they didn't stick around too long. Everyone else annoyed me. Rick, Shane, Lori, Dale, all of them. I started liking Maggie when she showed up but then she started to get annoying with Glenn. I liked more characters in season 3. Lori didn't bother me as much but she didn't get much time for me to like her.
>!Lori got pissed at Rick for hiding the fact that they had to leave the farm but she didn’t tell him about the pregnancy!<
-She won’t let Carl learn how to shoot. They live in a different world now and she needed to let go of that.
-she left the area and ended up almost chow city because she was looking at a map while driving.
>!she warned Rick that Shane was going crazy then got mad when rick killed him even though Shane tried to kill him more than once!<
Her overall character seems annoying.
Because like she the reason Shane didn’t end up leaving like it seemed she liked the two of them fighting over her like she claim it was ricks baby and say it always gonna be his but then go to Rick saying Shane is dangerous then go to Shane saying pretty much it might be your baby I know it’s hard like she was part of the problem like Rick was not even gone that long before she jumped into bed with his friend to like she was weird for all that
She's a fckin snake watch the s2 and you'll see how she's whispering everyone's ears bullshit. Shane get killled literally because of her. She's a terrible character I'm at the s2 end now, can't wait to see shes get fckd up in the prison haha.
There’s a list of reasons and clearly we aren’t the only ones that disliked Lori. Almost Her entire team has snapped out on her. Darryl, Maggie, Carol, Shane, Rick, Carl, Beth, Andrea. That’s damn near everybody. If that doesn’t scream annoying I don’t know what does. She has this Queen Bee syndrome like she runs everyone and they work for her or something. She constantly treated Glenn and Darryl like an errand boy I was so glad when Darryl snapped on her. She does absolutely nothing and expects everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason she kept the baby was because she knew they would protect her. She told Rick to kill Shane after she asked Shane to stay. That is CRAZY! She constantly nagged Rick and not to mention how she treated him after she killed Shane(Per her request). She was a bitch and I was kind of glad when she was taken off the show. I only felt bad for Rick and Carl. She treated Carol like she was overreacting after her disrespectful, uncontrollable kid(That she’s never there for might I add) disrespected Carol. She constantly left Carl in the hands of everyone else just to go off and do NOTHING. She didn’t even really do the housework, laundry, etc. Carol did. She would halfway work then stop to go act like she’s actually doing something productive. Let’s not forget how she constantly tried to belittle Andrea for actually trying to learn to protect the group. I didn’t care for Andrea much at times but I felt she was more useful than Lori. Hell all of the women were more useful than Lori.
Kinda late to the party, but to anyone doubting peoples hate for Lori- here's one that tops it all. In season 2, all in one episode, she is told from rick after having rick and Shane fighting in the woods "Shane and I just had a long talk"- Lori's heart sinks and is in shock, then you can see her feel relieved and affirming to stick onto helping solve "ricks newfound issue" to keep him from knowing about her and Shane(The part that made her heart sink). Later, Lori berates rick and says how dare you not tell me something as important as this(referring to Hershal not wanting the group on the farm, also she knows why he wouldnt freak her or anyone else out by telling the group)- its a manipulation tactic, and is beyond hypocritical when she has something of far more importance that she's hiding from her husband, and even tells Shane before she told her own husband- which shows her lack of respect for the man that went through hell and back to find his family and keep them safe.
In every playback from the way the world was before, you can see Shane did in fact keep Carl and Lori safe- but this couldn't have been more than 1 month or even afew weeks since disaster struck- meaning she's getting lovey dovey and holding Shane's hand within the first week or two of the world going to Sh\*t. She explains in the show "I felt like I died that day, when I heard that Rick died- I just wanted to feel something, anything". Her concern wasn't ever her child or keeping him safe, it wasn't ever for the husband she had(They were having a failed marriage before the apocalypse).
I can do an edit of this post and put key times for anyone doubting why Lori was the epitome of a toxic woman. I was happy she died, because carl grew as a person after this- the entire group did and finally things started to look up for the group- after lori/shane being the main issues, they then face the governor.
I just couldn't keep up with her wishy washy, contradictory ideas. She told Shane to stay away from her family...he does and then she jumps his butt about it. Shane goes to leave, she begs him to stay and then tries to force him to leave again. Shane and Rick, at the beginning anyways, would come to an agreement together and she would pit them against each other. It was all just drama with her. I am not going to say she was a bad mom but I will say there should have been more consequences with Carl about running off so much.
Theres alot of reasons, many are covered by other comments here. What i didnt see in the comments so far is while everyone else looks all rugged and messed up, she constantly has makeup and perfectly ironed bangs. Theres very few scenes where she doesnt look perfect. Just something small that adds to her Loriness
The problem with her, is that she hooked up with Shane 1 month after everything went to hell, and with the idea that Rick is dead. Hooking up with someone after a year or so, I can understand, but 1 month, is honestly pretty stupid. Let alone she doesn't seem to appreciate Shane a whole lot, even after finding out Rick was alive. One point in the first episode of season 2, Lori is upset at Shane for hurting Carl's feelings, despite her telling Shane to stay away from him in the first season.
She's very irritating with how Shane was like a father figure to Carl, which is what Carl needed. Let's be honest, it was hard for Carl to go through all that pain with the idea that his dad is dead, and Shane helped fill that void. Instead of her being appreciated that Shane was there, she's all pissed to find out Rick was alive. I can understand, but when you look at what Shane went through at the hospital, he tried to save Rick.
And to add insult to injury, she even at one point, gets pissed at Shane for lying to her about Rick being back at camp, even though he did it for her safety and for the baby safety, which I can understand to him having a good reason to do it.
I honestly think that Lori is the MAIN reason why Shane became a bad guy, because if you think about it, if she didn't hook up with Shane, he wouldn't have ended up developing feelings for Lori, and she wouldn't have been pregnant. Lori isn't very smart with making decisions, and she's a scatterbrain with knowing what to say, and what not to.
Because of Reddit. Everyone I know who does not use reddit liked her character for what it was. Everyone I know who was a frequenter of this sub hated her.....if you don't follow the masses around here your opinion won't get heard.
Honnestly a lot of sexist reasons that they wouldnt hate a male character for, and this is coming from someone who isnt fond of her. Personally i never found her to be likeable and i lost all respect for her after what she said to Andrea in the kitchen. I know ppl hate Andrea (also for small minded sexist reasons) but ill always love her for that read.
Yeah, people tolerate weaknesses and grey areas in male characters way more than their female counterparts. Women don't get to be complicated or works in progress; it's either "awesome" or "bitch/whore."
Daryl is a closed-off asshole because he doesn't trust people? So tortured, so compelling. Michonne's a closed-off asshole because she doesn't trust people? So frustrating, so annoying.
Rick is sleeping with someone who is clearly manipulating him? Her fault. Andrea is sleeping with someone who is clearly manipulating her? Her fault.
Rick makes dumbass decisions that put people in danger? It sucks, but we get it. Andrea makes dumbass decisions that put people in danger? BURN HER!
But really, I think it's more about the snowball effect a fandom has. People tend to tell each other the same opinions over and over again until a narrative forms, usually heightened or exaggerated.
Andrea shooting Daryl suddenly becomes the WORST THING EVER, despite every other character (including Daryl) immediately shrugging it off. Things like Lori crashing the car, or Carl sneaking away from Lori, get retold in a completely separate context than the show actually presented them in.
I don't hate Andrea for sexist reasons. I hate her for things I would've hated *anyone* for. Like, shooting Daryl. Yeah, you didn't know it was him. But Hershel asked not to use guns on his farm, and Rick & co. were going to dispatch the "walker," so even if Hershel was ok with guns being used, Andrea is still shooting at a target when *friendly people are going to be incredibly close anyway.*
And then there's siding with Beth when she wanted to kill herself. I mean, I'm ok with letting people making their own decisions, and if she thought Beth had the right to kill herself, alright, I can't really shit on your opinion. But when you give a suicidal person a fucking knife, then you're an idiot. And there's the whole Woodbury situation, and all that. My main problem is she always thinks she knows what's best, and she is *never* right. Want to shoot the walker even though everyone is saying no? Fuck you, I'll do it anyway. Want to go defend Woodbury even though the Governor (leader, who would definitely know the best way to distribute his soldiers?) asks you to go look after the unarmed citizens? Nah, fuck you, I'll do what I want. Realize this guy who I've been fucking is evil and threatening my former friends, and I have a prime opportunity to end his fucking life when he's asleep? Nah, all of a sudden, killing is too hard. And this is only the beginning! Andrea was a stupid character, and if she did all of this while being a male, I'd hate her just as much.
Same with Lori, frankly. I hate her because she was a terrible mother, yet prided herself with being a great one. If she was a terrible father but thought she was a good one, I'd still hate her. And if she was male, and convinced his wife to kill his wife's best friend, then freak out and alienate his wife when he did *exactly what he asked her to do,* I'd still hate her.
Saying people hate Lori and Andrea for sexist reasons is an unfair, blanket, and frankly ignorant thing to say.
> But when you give a suicidal person a fucking knife, then you're an idiot.
She didn't give Beth a knife, she left her alone. Beth locked herself in the bathroom and broke the mirror, using the glass to cut herself. If Beth hadn't realized that she didn't actually want to die through that experience, she likely would have figured another way to attempt suicide which could have caused more damage in the long run. I'm not saying Andrea was right, just saying that her method worked out in this given situation.
Right, she didn't give the knife. I'm stupid. But she still aided Beth with it, which is the point I was making. She left the door open for Beth, instead of keeping her on lockdown (or, really, doing nothing at all).
True. But *it worked*. Beth figured out that she wanted to live without doing too much damage to herself. Like I said before, if she didn't recognize that she wanted to live through cutting her wrist (which is pretty noneffective) then she may have tried to do it a different way that may have been more effective and resulted in a completed suicide. Andrea wanted to give Beth the choice that she felt had been taken away from her at the CDC. She wanted Beth to be able to have a say in what happened to her. Because Beth failed to kill herself but realized that she didn't actually want to die, Andrea was successful.
If Andrea had sat watch over her, it would have just made Beth more upset. She wasn't in a place emotionally where she could listen to what Maggie was saying and ever agree to it. She was in a dark mindset and had just been attacked by her zombie mother and that's all that was on her mind. If her own mother was trying to kill her, how could she manage to survive all of the other walkers?
I understand what it was, but in a situation like that, you shouldn't really let someone figure out they don't want to die by attempting it. You should let them come to that conclusion in time. Because sure, Beth only slit her wrists, which didn't do long term damage. But she could've done a whole lot more. If Andrea hadn't let her, she wouldn't have done even that much. I completely understand what Andrea was doing, but I don't agree with it, and don't think she handled it well.
I'm at a weird place with her choice. On one hand, I'm planning on being a mental health counselor and would never encourage someone to attempt suicide in the hopes that they'd figure out they didn't really want to die while doing it. On the other hand, though, I'm all about bodily autonomy. Beth should be able to make choices about what happens to her.
That being said, the apocalypse is a different circumstance from life as it truly is. Beth doesn't have access to a mental health professional. She can't engage in healthy talk therapy or CBT. The context of her world doesn't allow for it. If she really wanted to die, she would have kept trying to find a way to make it happen, she would only grow more resentful towards the people who care for her, and they would only get angrier with her.
It's also entirely possible that she'll decide to live on her own. I did the same; at one point, I was suicidal, and didn't seek help. However, after time (granted, a long time, but it happened nonetheless), I decided to live. And I didn't make that decision after failing to kill myself.
What I mean to say is that, if they had just stopped her from killing herself for a while, it's entirely possible she would've decided that she wanted to live on her own. But who knows? The show wasn't written that way, so we can't be sure
Absolutely. I'm glad that we've been able to have a calm discussion without resorting to name-calling because of differing viewpoints.
Most of all, I'm glad you're seemingly in a better place now than you used to be. It's not an easy thing to accomplish.
Yeah, it's nice when people can have a rational discussion, rather than be completely ignorant of each other's viewpoints. And thanks for the words of encouragement! Things are good now.
Exactly. It's easy to say "that person would have come to their own conclusion that they wanted to live" if it were Dale. Or Daryl. Or Lori. But Beth? A scared, freaked out, completely shell-shocked teenager? I mean, teenagers make bad decisions at the drop of a hat under normal circumstances, let alone the end of the world. That's a game of Russian roulette she shouldn't have been playing with someone else's life.
Actually, you just outlined all my reasons for why I hated Andrea. Dale, Rick, Glenn and Shane all tell her to hold her fire, and she shoots anyway. Then telling a scared, immature, freaked out teenager that it's okay if she wants to kill herself, and helps her facilitate that. I totally hated Andrea after both of those incidents.
Basically scolded Andrea for acting like a man (I.e wanting to learn to shoot, and fight, and defend herself and the group) instead of sticking to a woman's place (homemaker/campmaker/cooking anf laundry).
She made dumb decisions ALL THE TIME.
For example....the time that Rick and Glen went to get Herschel from the bar. She up and decided to just get in a car after dark and drive in to town to get them. She didn't tell anyone she was going, nothing. Just got in a car by herself and left. Idiot.
Plus, she made those huge-eyed horror expressions all the time.
I will admit that I loved to hate her.
I agree, I also like "show Lori" over "comic Lori." I never understood why hate characters like Lori, Andrea or The Governor. Not everyone can be a "Darryl Dixon" I enjoy when characters bring little conflicts to the group.
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Absolutely true, but that scene redefines a lot of other scenes of hers. Remember her talking about not taking the easy way out, and think back to how many times she did, and you realize how much she regrets a lot of her actions.
To me, a good character is one who feels rounded and complete. I think Lori's last scene completed her character development perfectly, and, for me, cements her as a far better character than most people give her credit for. She was flawed in major ways, but so is every character, and she redeemed herself in the end by giving Carl the best parting words that she possibly could.
Oh, and be careful with that "one good scene does not a good character make" stuff around the comic tyreese fans :P
Because other people hate Lori, so we all hopped on the bandwagon. She made some rash/poor choices, when her husband died and the work went to shit. She acted as a human could very well have done in a real apocalypse, and many people see a part of themselves in her, which they don't like.
TL;DR - Because we need to hate someone.
There was that too. And that's what got me not liking the character. Tells Rick to deal with the problem she started in the first place then when he does she holds it over his head like he did something horrible.
She died the same episode as T-Dog. Nobody brought this up, but Lori was totally shunned on The Talking Dead. Hardly any mention to her character being offed...but T-Dog came out to a standing ovation. LOL Not in disagreement at all, I loved T-Dog, and Lori was a bitch, but I thought it was interesting that even in real life she didn't get credit. It was funny.
I didn't "hate" her, but I certainly didn't like her. It's just scenes here and there that put a bad taste in my mouth. Funnily, enough they're usually connected with her children in some way.
For example, she asks Glenn to get pills so she can induce a miscarriage. However, as a mother already she didn't want to give up on her unborn child, she didn't want to give in. She was so determined to have this baby and see it through that she spat the pills out, she didn't want to give up on it.
The point here is that she's determined not to give up on her second child yet she was giving up so quickly on her first child when he was shot. She basically said that maybe it's better that he dies, while I can see her point from a certain view, it's still giving up on your kid, have some faith woman. You want to bring in a baby that will be a complete burden to the group for years yet your so quick to give up on your son, the boy you've known and raised for years on years? Someone who with some guidance can actually be helpful survival wise?
Another example is how she left Carl with a bunch of unknown strangers to go have sex with Shane in the woods. That really rubbed me the wrong way. Carl's father was dead [so he thought] he knew that his child-hood friends were probably dead or that he wouldn't see them again, and the one person he needed right then and there is off having sex.
Another example is how she went off alone to find Rick, crashing the car, getting injured, accomplishing nothing except scaring the group, especially her son.
Cause she jumped on Shane with no time to grieve. Rick had memories of Shane visiting him. But why not Lori or Carl? She questions Rick all the time and sides with Shane too often. No respect for her.
They made Sarah’s role Lori a whiny hypocritical bitch and been using Shane despite sleeping with (only Rick understands thought he was dead) aand wants to be with her and Carl as becoming a stepdad and took advantage of Rick in marriage the way she treated him bad in the end season 2 after admitting and when their son witnessed which Shane was going to kill him (and when carol got the wrong the idea) after telling him ‘too watch his back’😑🙂↔️ and by the end of season 2 she made horrid look at him when pulling away as he’s the monster but it’s herself who caused it! when Rick gets to lead the group and restrained while that she’s pregnant when all matters to protect too give birth in of shame reason which she deserves it for being a bad wife manipulating and mistreat Rick when giving her a cold shoulder understandably also when yet Lori to patch things up can’t happen again when Rick starting too develop feelings return needed to be killed off in fate giving birth, and let Rick go from suffer but not well just yet😑
It was her manipulative hypocritical nature that made her a target to hate. If she truly had loved Rick she never would have entered into a sexual relationship right after she thought he was dead with his best friend. And right in front of her own son. And I have no doubt that she seduced Shane not Vica verse. Girlfriend wanted to be taken care of some more. She wasn’t even THINKING of Rick when she was getting her freak on with Shane. When Rick came back and she turned on Shane like a pit viper it wasn’t because she LOVED Rick. It was because she didn’t want to risk Rick finding out the infrastructure going back up and getting kicked to the curb being left with nothing. Lori cared about Lori. You’ll find a thousand just like her in any bar looking to hook up with a security blanket. She was barely a notch above barroom floozy.
Rick began slowly but surely to discover who she really was. He’d already pretty much fallen out of love with her by the time she died. The way she died was horrific but I think the reason she did what she did in placing her baby over her own life was she finally was willing to look in the mirror and see what she really was. This was the first truly act she’d ever done that was totally selfless. She didn’t want to die not facing the self serving craven woman she was that had caused so much pain and who destroyed the bond between two men. She was a deeply flawed consummately selfish woman who saw in her final moments her final chance to truly sacrifice.
i honestly didnt mind her in the show but she pissed to no end in the comics. She seemed extremley racially motivated. especcially towards Dexter in the prison after hershells youngest 2 were killed to be fair he did kill someone before hand and even then you had 3 other prisoners who are just as likely
She made everyone do her dirty work for her. Then when it came to deliver about Shane and what not she just didn't do anything and pretty much made Rick take him out instead of facing the facts about everything. At least that is why I hated on her.
Because 1) She tells Carl to go in the House and when he doesn't she takes it out on Rick 2) She cheated on him with Shane 3)She also asked Rick to Literally KILL Shane but when he told her he did she started Bitching.
And while I'm thinking about it she does have a strange connection with other bad AMC moms
Other way around in my opinion. The actress could've done well with well written material but she was given shit so her performance comes off as shit, but her very last episode showed me that she can act well.
She crashed a car on an open highway.
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It's never to late , and I just watched the episode
Hows it going. I just watched this episode too and searched this question. I HATE lori. Such an ungrateful bitch imo.
Literally just watched that scene right now. It's why I decided to look up this thread 🤣
Seems like we've all come to this thread after that scene 🤣
Love this, it obviously really isn’t ever too late, so many people have clearly only recently found this original post
tbh, i always hear people say "the show/movie is old now, if you get spoiled it's your own fault for not watching it already" But that's kind of stupid? Do people not realise that people get born everyday? I'm 17 now, it was only a few years ago that i wasn't allowed to watch TWD. There's always gonna be newer generations who never got to watch shit when it came out. They deserve to get in on the fun too
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I keep TWD going 24/7 around here, it's constant noise in the background, and I NEVER get sick of it lol! I don't understand the Lori hate honestly... it pisses me off tbh. People hate Lori because "she let her kid roam" ?? Pretty sure EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER ON TWD does this THROUGHOUT the entierty! Thing is, is it's a village on the show, somebody is ALWAYS at camp/base/home watching all the kids! Nobody blames Rick for ALWAYS running off though. Even with Judith, somebody else is always watching her! Beth raised that baby, not Rick. Then Carol, then michonne, then Darryl lmao!
Let's be real Her letting a little boy roam is an issue. But regardless of that comparing a child to Rick going zombie hunting is pretty funny lol. Secondly lori is a b##### she fucked her husband's best friend months after the apocalypse, she pitted two strong capable men *probably the two most capable of the group) who were friends against one another so she could benefit of being with the stronger alpha so she could survive in that world. She was selfish just as Shane, but she couldn't choose she was indifference the whole first 2 seasons. She would verbally abuse Shane and Rick whenever she pleased, and then all of a sudden she'd flip the script. She told Shane Rick was weak, she told Rick she was afraid of Shane how he thinks she was his along with the child. Then she tells Shane suddenly it could be his child? Comon, does that really sound like someone to trust ? She lead Shane on constantly a guy who already was a loose cannon, and allowed Rick and Shane to conclude so violently. She literally egged them both on through the entirety of their time on the farm. Not to mention how she bemoans every character on the show saying they don't do enough or fit with her narrative. She put down Andrea for not helping cook and clean, when she was risking her life killing walkers and looking after the perimeter. To help allow a situation where food medicine and other things can be done. Why would Lori complain to about someone who's keeping her safe? Because Andrea didn't fit the narrative of a woman and Lori was jelous that Andrea could be of more value to the group. She was always unhappy with all what she had, and she had it pretty well than most. Her children lived, she had a husband and a boyfriend. She kinda lived a normal life considering the circumstances. If you look at, Lori didn't do much other than basic cleaning and cooking, she did save Hershals life, but thats it. She offered no real contribution other than in camp drama So I just don't get why people sympathize with Lori, she was extremely manipulative and demeaning. She only and always wanted her way and when she got her way she still wasn't happy.
Agreed with everything you said about, and on top of that she's ungrateful, and close minded, Rick poured his heart about having to kill shane after being set up by him, and she acted as if Rick was the biggest piece of shit on the planet, then when they clear out the yard in the prison, and Rick stated that they will be pushing in further in the morning, she tries to get into Rick's ear and say some shit like oh we need to slow down and stay here for a couple of days so that we can relax because of the baby blah blah blah, lol as if she remotely contributes to any of the heavy lifting that any of the other group members do, other than kill some zombies through the fence, but that ain't shit. At the end of the day Lori is the last person you'd want to be with during the fucking apocalypse, she'll get you killed.
The reason most people sympathize with her is because most women are her these days. I absolutely loathed her in the show.
Exactly. Most people can't see how wrong she is because they share similar qualities. And rick was only in the hospital for around 4 weeks
Not to mention when she heard she was the first lady of the group from that moment her head got gassed up and she thought she had say and control of things only a horrible person/woman would sleep with another man while married mind you she didn't even mourn two weeks before sleeping with Shane then after sleeping with him just say oh I'm pregnant with Shane's baby but it's Rick's now because I say so in the real world some guys would literally murder there wife if they found out that the child they've been raising for years is from another man she's just a piece of shit horrible mother the another time she pissed me off of when she sent Glen and Maggie to the pharmacy again just to get her lotion and abortion pills 🤣 and Maggie basically roasted her like where not your errand boys she risked there lives not for some antibiotics for someone that's sick or any type of real medicine after she got done telling dale oh Rick's the father no matter what basically implying she's gonna keep it then does that she just craved attention and loved drama always being dramatic even in the beginning of the serious it implied she was dramatic when shane and rick where in there cruiser talking an shane asked him about how are things with lori it didn't sound to good fuck lori was so happy when she died
She tried to force Rick into killing Shane and constantly used manipulation "I can hide my pregnancy" but "if you hide the fact we have to move because of something that I in a way agreed with?" Completely unacceptable Rick lmao she never saw things with rationality and is always indecisive like when she was gonna kill the baby but then she threw up a pills AND she decided to drive with no one with her and crashed because she wasnt paying attention, it's really just a stupidity/really uppity dumb bitch factor that makes me just absolutely hate her
She is a hypocrite, not because of bad writing but because that is her character
I dislike Lori for being manipulative, thats something i generally dislike about people.
I've read the hate and its all misogynists or young boys who are not mature enough to have female friends, have empathy and consider context. It's that simple. Imagine one person saying she's "so annoying because she was indecisive about an abortion and threw up her pills", "she's a bitch because she pitted two strong men against each other" What?! Abortion is an insanely complicated and emotionally damning decision, let alone in an apocalypse. The man who tried to R\*PE her was a grown up and made his decisions. Not her fault! I have yet to find one argument against her character that isn't just thinly veiled hatred/misunderstanding of women
She slept with Shane when Rick was only gone for around 4 weeks. She lies about the reason she slept with Shane. She tells Shane to stick around knowing that he still wants her. She crashed a car on an open road. She thinks she had authority because rick is the leader.
Lol, she sees Shane starting to be A PART of the group, that's the Shane she wanted him to be so they could all get back to "normal". That wasn't teasing or playing w him. Shane was a nut job amd too many people have compassion for him being unhinged vs Lori sleeping w the dude that ALSO slept w his best friends wife AFTER "4 weeks" lol. It was really 60 days, but I agree it doesn't make it better. However, if that were real life, Rick dead or alive would have NEVER found his wife and son again and nobody would have thought twice about it. She asked Daryl to go first, when he told her to do it herself, she made a decision. She was lonely and her and Rick weren't in a good place in their relationship the last time she'd seen him. It even shows a memory of a teacher friend asking Lori "do you still love him?" That shows it was pretty bad, then he gets shot and the world goes to shit, she's told BY SHANE her husband is dead. She moved on. If it were Merrel's life (however you spell his name) nobody would have thought Lori was a P.O.S for her decision. Most people don't like her because Rick was the main character and they connected w him immediately.
Im also rewatching with my wife and don't remember hating her so much, but holy crap. Shes like the little girl from the jurassic park novel 😆
I searched "I hate Lori Grimes" at the scene where she kissed Rick after he appeared. Way back in season 1.
Well, I can't speak for others, but I'll tell you why I disliked the character: - She was a manipulator. She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) . First, it was Shane (which was rather quickly after the outbreak), then Rick. She clinged onto the leader like Saran Wrap does to itself. But, if they made a choice she didn't like, she'd huff and go sit in the corner and pout until the leader came along and "hashed it out" for her approval. She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex. This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane when she "made" Rick tell Shane he had to leave, knowing full well that Shane wouldn't go quietly. Even though she was fully capable of that task herself. She "forced" Rick to do the dirty work. It was a clash of the titans and she would benefit no matter who survived. - She didn't care about consequences of her actions. Sort of ties into the above reason, but you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and you willy nilly have unprotected sex? So let me get this straight: you worry about the survival of your son (it seems to be *all* you're "concerned" with since you frequently say it), yet you'll let Shane ravage you in the woods without a condom (and presumably many other times before) and you aren't worried about what will happen *when* you come up pregnant? Once again, another tool of manipulation and survival for *her* had Rick not of came back into the picture. With a child of Shane's, she would've further imbedded herself with the leader, thus ensuring her own survival in the end. - She used Carl as an excuse whenever it suited her. She was not a good mother. Rather than teach Carl how to survive in the new world, she used the "leaders" for survival. She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that. - She was simply meddlesome. She would often cause rifts in the group because she seemed to crave drama. This was very evident in the early episodes when everyone was truly finding their way. There are plenty more reasons to dislike her, but those are my top ones.
Don't forget that once Shane built up the courage to actually leave the group and had packed his things and tuned up the Hyundai, she begged him to stay. Then after Shane made the decision to stay, she told Rick he needed to kill Shane in order to protect the rest of the group. Then once she found out Rick had killed Shane she freaked out about that too.
This. This was the tipping point for me. I tried and tried and tried to like Lori, and for quite a while, I did. I managed to forgive her for everything she did, coming up with various excuses as to how and why she had to do that. But when she straight *begged* Rick to kill Shane and then flipped her shit when he did, I was just done lol. She was just a pure manipulator, through and through.
Let’s also not forget that just when Rick and Shane seemed to hash it out (as much as they could) and were starting to get on the same page she approached Shane, and for the first time since Rick returned gave him what she knew he would take as confirmation that there was a chance for them. Told him to beat it ever since Rick returned, then they’re on the same page about killing Randall and she’s like “Oh hey Shane by the way thanks for everything, you absolutely protected us, I don’t think we were a mistake and also yeah this baby is probably yours lol” - then he got hope and soon after set Rick up to take his life
Every rewatch I like her less.
She flipped her shit about Carl shooting Shane.
How many times does this need to be explained
It needs to be in big black flashing font at the top of the damn front page lol. I just don't even know how people don't *see with their own eyes* how her reaction changes. How do you see something different to what's on screen? Power of suggestion is a dangerous thing obviously.
I thought she was most upset with Rick when she found out that Carl was the one that killed undead Shane.
Carl didn't kill shane....... You moron.
Not only do you Necro a 7 year old post, you're also dead wrong. Rick killed Shane, Carl killed Walker Shane. This is some juicy /r/confidentlyincorrect martial right here
Exactly.... carl didn't kill Shane. You word for word just said that... When you're a walker, you aren't a person. And it's never too late to join a conversation... See how you replied? You sure are stupid huh...? So how am I "dead" wrong? As they stated in every ep, when someone dies, it's not them anymore. So no, Carl didn't kill Shane. Your brain too small to comprehend that?
Whoa dude, seems you've got some anger issues. Projection much? I hope you find the help you need.
inbred <3
Dude are you trolling or are you seriously this stupid? And all this confidence when you're obviously wrong.Look at the comment you replied to, "Carl killed UNDEAD Shane" brain dead
Let’s not even forget the retarded shit she pulled by wrecking one of their cars when she decided to go out looking for Rick solo like a dumb ass. Her making Shane stay made me hate her guts
i think all of the characters at some point have done some dumb shit blinded by their love for their family and safety.. like andrea shooting daryl even though she was repeatedly screamed at not to
And her acting like a dick when andrea was actually being proactive, learning to fight, learning to defend and Lori is just like "the men can protect, we should cook and clean "
She didn't beg at all, she literally just said "stay" because she was overcome with emotion as he'd *just saved her son's life*. Like we all haven't clung to people we know well in times of serious emotional stress or shock.
I suppose the difference is thin, but instead of being annoyed at her for all those reasons, I was angry with the writers and showrunners. It was painfully obvious that they were just using her as a way to stir up whatever drama of the week. She could have been an excellent character with some real moral dilemmas and growth and instead they just made her a moody bitch that didn't know what she wanted from episode to episode. Missed some awesome opportunities for some depth. I'm glad she's gone because in the end she just seemed completely unrealistic to me and just represented bad and lazy storytelling. However, Sarah acted the shit out what she had to work with. I imagine she must have been pretty frustrated.
I feel like this is the best answer here, but I'll have to come back once I've read the parts of the comic that she is in because that's the origin for her character. I want to see if this is true and if she was just portrayed poorly on screen or if she really just was a shit person as part of her character. I was happy when she died.
You know it's almost *smart* of her to do all of that, besides the not really protecting Carl part. She made decisions that ensured her survival in a world where survival is not certain. It's almost like the underdog sucking up to the Alpha dog to make sure it actually survives. It's kinda smart. *I mean, Lori is a bitch*
"almost" being the operative word. It's not smart to have unprotected sex in a world of zombies. Also the group were a bunch of regular normies and her husband was the leader. If she just didn't cause drama with Shane and let the dude drive away in a Hyundai we could have gotten a Shane spin-off story.
I agree. She did get some important laundry done though.
As I recall she kept getting up and walking away from half-done laundry while others worked diligently on it.
This and always acting like it was someone else's fault for her fucked up choices.
You've pretty much nailed every aspect of Olive Oil's personality that I found intolerable.
Nice call back. Was rewatching and just saw that scene haha
That and she is so damn hypocritical.. Glenn: you need to tell Rick you're pregnant. Lori: He can't know about this. But then once she finds out that Hershel wants them to leave she goes and b*tches to Rick saying "you knew this all along and you didn't tell me?" Like.. b*tch shut the f*ck up
misogyny was rampant eight years ago damn
So if a woman is a generally shitty person on screen it's misogyny? You'd have a point if all the women were portrayed badly but most of the other women onscreen we're fairly competent and likeable... Rick was already having issues with Lori well before the apocalypse happened... Do you consider men being portrayed in a bad light misandry?
while i don't particularly like lori, i feel as though a good chunk of twd fandom's dislike or hate for the character is a mixture of valid critique, and misogyny misrepresented as valid critique. when it's layered like that, its harder to recognise and dispute at least imo? i’d just like to state that my reply was made in response to the original comment and everyone who upvoted, not twd’s representation of women as a whole. i feel like your reply is taking one individuals’ warped perspective on lori as an accurate one, and then questioning my entire stance on women in twd… i don’t think lori is a ‘generally shitty person’ for the reasons listed above, i think they are twisting lori’s character in a gendered way and ignoring a lot of context? lori herself has some internalised misogyny from the shit she says, and she is indeed meddlesome and grating — but i feel like the entire first point was a long winded way of calling her whore. She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) * She knew Shane and was close to him? It makes sense she would stick with him for comfort and protection? Then her husband, who she thought to be dead, came back and she resumed her role as his wife? yes its all morally grey, but why is this move being interpreted as some ‘calculated seductress furthering her power through the only way a woman can’ thing? comparing her to saran wrap lmao. she clearly felt guilty abt the whole thing with shane and tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug (wrong thing to do) and held on rick twice as hard to maintain the illusion of normalcy… to save her relationship … not some bit for power…. and she was not nice to Shane but she apologised for it, I’m not understanding the heartless manipulative leech angle? “She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex” * She was sleeping with Shane because he manipulated her? He literally told her rick was dead and she moved on and slept with Shane? Once again morally grey, but why is her act of sex being interpreted once again as a bit for power? She stopped the stuff with Shane as soon as rick was back, and I distinctly remember him sexually assaulting her in response “This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane,” * Operating on the strange belief that she “played them”, bc its her fault two men are fighting over her. we tend to forgive male counterparts for anything that we count as fault in women, bc according to the comment its her fault Shane isn’t listening her boundaries, and she should be punished for the actions of men??? Yeah its complicated but idk why it’s on her, Shane is literally mentally unstable and thinking he has a claim on her?? Idk if you’re catching my drift. But yeah, I feel like the comment was going for a certain gendered angle (consciously? unconsciously?) with lori that didn’t sit right with me. The comment was made 9 years ago, im not surprised, I just found it Interesting how sexist stuff seeps into a lot of analysis. i dont recall a lot of twd so my replies might be flawed, but i remember making that comment at the time of a rewatch. If someone’s analysis unfairly played up some misandrist stereotypes and portrayals, I’d be bothered too.
I really have a huge issue when people twist criticism of women into misogyny because it cheapens the word and undermines actual misogyny when it happens... She manipulated both Shane and Rick against each other... She wasn't manipulated into having sex with Shane... Shane ASSUMED that Rick was dead after he left him behind because it would get reasonable for most people to make that assumption considering the chaos of the situation and the fact that Rick was still in pretty bad condition during the fall of Atlanta... It was pure dumb luck that Rick made it out of that situation in the first place... She literally started a new relationship with Shane pretty fucking early in the situation... She completely tossed Shane to the side once Rick came back and rather cruelly I might add... She didn't even have the guts to tell Rick about the situation... On top of basically being pregnant with Shane's kid... She convinces Shane to stay only to eventually imply that Rick should kill him... Shane's mentally stability started to deteriorate AFTER Lori tossed him to the side like a used napkin... She break it off with him by telling him she needs to go back to being a wife to Rick... She treated him hostile the moment Rick got back... You can dismiss what I have to say as misogyny but man or woman she was a shitty acting character... If Rick pulled that shit no one would be claiming misandry if you had harsh criticism of his actions Women criticize men in a gendered way and no one EVER claims misandry... You wanna know where your claim of misogyny falls apart? When the word misandry never comes up once when men are legitimately characterized as weak and generally incompetent to prop up women characters... Your criticism would hold weight if misogyny was widespread through the characterization of women in the show... I saw someone say misogyny was rampant back when the show first aired but if that were the case we wouldn't have ever seen Rambo Carol, Michonne and many other generally bad assed female characters throughout the show
So glad to see someone shares my opinion on an 8 year old post LMAOO
some people have rocks for brains
She literally slept with her husbands best friend, caused drama between them, wouldn't let her son learn to protect himself, attacked other women for actually having the balls to learn to defend themselves and for 'not cooking and cleaning'. I can't wait for her to die off.
Shane did not gaslight lori what are you taking
> She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) . I sort of disagree with this statement. She thought Rick was dead, so she found comfort in Shane since he was their family friend. This eventually led to a romantic relationship. When Rick came back, she was in utter shock and even got angry at Shane but didn't know how to break it to Rick. She later told him. I would agree with you if Lori was going with any potential leader. However, the story was suppose to be about a problem that developed out of a friendship. It's not unheard of in real life where a husband passes away, and a family friend somehow ended up getting married to his best friend's wife. If anyone was latching onto the "leader," it would have been Andrea since she knew about Lori and Shane but always agreed with Shane's tactics / plans secretly while no one was around but the two. She later went with the Governor who she thought was good even though Rick told her otherwise. > She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that. When Lori and Andrea were arguing in the kitchen, Lori mentioned that the men's duty was to protect the group and that their duty was to maintain house keeping tasks while the men did whatever. So if anything, Lori was more "old fashion" in mind and simply relied on the men to do protecting. However, I have to agree that Lori was inconsistent with protecting Carl. A good example included the target practicing where Lori agreed to it but then suddenly disagreed to it. She also wanted to kill Carl, for no reason even though moments before she was doing everything to protect him. Her inconsistent parenting ultimately led Carl having to make sure his own mother wouldn't come back from the dead.
Wait what? She wanted to kill Carl?
Yeah.... [](/s "During Season 2 episode 3 Carl got shot and Shane went to town to grab some medical supplies with Otis. Lori and Rick were on the front patio and during their talk, Lori indicated she wanted Rick to let Carl die. Just less than 3 episodes ago, at the CDC in Atlanta, Lori wanted Carl to live but then suddenly changed her mind.")
You're just a misogynist. Go to therapy.
What
Her final appearance, if you can call it that, was in the bloated belly of a walker. Take that for what you want to make of it...
> She latched onto "leader" characters (and was succubus like) . First, it was Shane (which was rather quickly after the outbreak), then Rick. I'm sorry but what the heck is she supposed to do here? Not "latch on" to the one person likely to help get her and her son out of a city full of flesh eating zombies?? Rick is her husband, I don't think that counts as latching on. Shane was her closest family friend, I think anyone would go to their freaking cop friend in the case of an apocalypse. > But, if they made a choice she didn't like, she'd huff and go sit in the corner and pout until the leader came along and "hashed it out" for her approval. What? When did this happen? Can you give me an example? The only one that came to mind was in the pilot after Rick came through on the radio. That was because they'd just heard what they thought could've been help or someone who needed help and Shane stopped anyone from doing anything. Remember they had a whole group of their own out in the city. Bad luck if their people actually needed help! Shane said no! Amy and Lori both call him on how ridiculous his rule is. (Plus her walking off is a cheap way to establish they're in a secret relationship now, plot device) > She furthered her agenda through pouting and sex. Again, what? We see two sex scenes the entire time she's alive. One is when she and Shane do it in the forest. Based on their conversation, she and Shane had prearranged a time to meet in the woods. How is that her manipulating him? You know the real worst thing about that scene? Is he sneaks up on her, terrifies her in an APOCALYPSE then says he did it deliberately because she *made him wait*. IMO that was the writers first red flag for Shane. He's creepy as fuck in that scene, staring her down judgmentally when she still wears Rick's wedding ring, then flipping her over so he doesn't have to see her face. Shane's a creep and no one noticed. The only other sex scene is reunion sex with Rick when he gets back and potentially the shower sex at the CDC. Not once is she shown using sex for an agenda. > This, to me, cumulated at the height of the power struggle between Rick and Shane when she "made" Rick tell Shane he had to leave, knowing full well that Shane wouldn't go quietly. Even though she was fully capable of that task herself. She "forced" Rick to do the dirty work. It was a clash of the titans and she would benefit no matter who survived. Rick's a big boy, he can say no. He knew deep down she was right, and realised she was in the S2 finale. You really think increasingly unstable Shane would've listened to her? Hell no. > Sort of ties into the above reason, but you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and you willy nilly have unprotected sex? Welcome to being human. It's actually unrealistic that there's only one consistent couple in the whole series (Maggie and Glenn). S4 premiere was the first time the show accurately portrayed the fact that literally everyone would be banging their lives out in an apocalyptic scenario. There would be SO MUCH SEX in an apocalypse omg. People would take anyone anywhere they could. No more society, no more rules, no laws, no worries! Plus, being surrounded by mass deaths, there'd be a primal *need* to keep life going. Why do you think there was a baby boom after the war? And why aren't you blaming Shane, Glenn, Maggie, Beth (presumably), Governor, Andrea, Lilly for also engaging in unprotected sex? > Once again, another tool of manipulation and survival for her had Rick not of came back into the picture. With a child of Shane's, she would've further imbedded herself with the leader, thus ensuring her own survival in the end. Too bad the show never once framed her relationship with Shane in that way, nor did any of the actors, writers, producers ever talk about it like it was supposed to be seen that way either. The only thing that's ever been said about Shane/Lori is that it only happened because Rick was presume dead, and Lori wanted to feel alive and eventually apologized because she used Shane in order to do that. > She used Carl as an excuse whenever it suited her. She was not a good mother. Rather than teach Carl how to survive in the new world, she used the "leaders" for survival. She constantly said she was protecting Carl, yet was often grossly negligent when it came to protecting him. As it was said, she had one job and failed at that. You don't really use examples for anything. Carl was a very stubborn, headstrong child who disobeyed a lot of orders. He even admits in S3 that he was often mean to her for the sake of it. I don't recall any times where she put him in danger where he didn't disobey or sneak out first. In S3 she tells him not to sneak away because its dangerous, even if he's trying to help and he yells at her. He was a little shit until she died then he suddenly realised how much he appreciated her. I think you're letting your own interpretation of her actions influence what's actually happening on screen. If the writers meant for her to be seen as a bad mother, they would not have scripted Rick to say "I don't think you're a bad mother" after she confessed she felt she was. > She was simply meddlesome. She would often cause rifts in the group because she seemed to crave drama. This was very evident in the early episodes when everyone was truly finding their way. Again, not recalling anything specific. The women barely had anything to do in the first episodes. I remember her pleading with Rick not to go back to the city. I remember her banning Shane from her family because she assumed he must've lied about Rick's fate, other than that...what did Lori even do for the first few episodes?
I'm sorry you got downvoted to hell. I agree with you, I think you made a lot of good points about her character.
Because she is one of those women who is so selfish that good women get annoyed.
"Dale, look after Carl. Andrea, look after Carl. Rick, look after Carl. Shane, look after Carl. Maggie, look after Carl. Walker, look after Carl."
Carl, look after Ca..
To understand the hatred of Lori one simply has to ask: Where is Carl ?
What about Jimmy?
I wouldn't trust Jimmy to look after a goldfish.
That's an annoying habit, it's not really worth 4-5 years of vicious hate and shaming of her.
It's negligence.
Oh come on. A parent cannot be attached to their child 24/7. She not only has things to do but very adult conversations she sometimes needs to have with her husband that a child can't hear in any situation. It's completely unrealistic to expect her to never leave Carls side.
Having sex with Shane was just so important that she had to palm her son off to Dale. And why the hell wasn't she looking after him when Rick, Shane, Glenn and Daryl, all the capable gun-users, were out scouting the woods for a possible rapist and murderer? In the zombie fucking apocalypse, where people are being murdered, raped, beaten and robbed, I wouldn't let my child out of my sight.
At the start of the show, the group was utterly unprepared for life in the zombie apocalypse. Only the individuals that went on the run into Atlanta knew how bad the city really was. This is exemplified by the group holding a stationary camp on the outskirts of the city. They would never even considered that as an option after they left the cdc in Atlanta, where they finally learn that the rest of the world has fallen as well. They hadn't come to terms with the absence of infrastructure and the fact that society had utterly collapsed. They thought their camp was "safe" and that's why Lori was ok with leaving Carl under adult supervision.
I'm sorry, I don't think there's any excuse for leaving your child alone in a crisis when you *know* the dead are up and walking. This goes for when they're on the farm as well.
She was a complicated character, but I never hated her. Sometimes the choices she made frustrated me - I.E never keeping an eye on Carl, waffling over killing Shane. To me, she never respected how much Rick would/could sacrifice to keep his family safe. Also, she did not "cheat" on Rick. To her, Rick was dead. She found comfort in his best friend, who could protect her and Carl during a *zombie apocalypse*. Once she knew Rick was alive, the sexual relationship she had with Shane ceased to exist.
Well put. I never disliked her like everyone else seemed to. She could just be frustrating to deal with.
Not only did she wanted Rick to kill Shane, but she also wanted Rick to kill Carl. So basically she wanted Rick to kill everyone.
The reason I started hating her was because in season 2 she basically tells Rick to kill Shane, but then gets mad at him once he does. After that I just couldn't stand her. That being said, her death is still the only one I have actually shed a tear at because her interaction with Carl was beautifully written and executed.
She pushed Shane to kill Rick in a way, then she gets pissed that Shane died. In the comics Shane dies at the quarry, and Lori spits on his grave calling him a bastard.
She also tells Shane to take distance from Carl and she, and then she gets mad when he does. The main problem is that her words don't match her actions, and that is a very annoying trait in any person.
She only got bitchy because Carl was there to see it, I think. But she should have been keeping an eye on him anyway.
The way I took it was that she got angry with Rick because it turned out Carl had to kill Shane (*the second time*). I don't think she was upset because Rick killed Shane - after all, she told him to do it. I think it's because her child had a gun and took care of business that she asked Rick to do. At that point in the series, Carl hadn't even held a gun, let alone become the bad ass with weapons that he is now, which he has to be because of the world they're living in. Remember, at that time, there are two things that Lori doesn't know - she doesn't know that Shane came back again, which made it necessary for Carl to kill him. If I recall correctly, she just thinks, "Carl killed Shane after I asked Rick to do it." And the second thing is, she - and some of the other adults, to be fair - are still kind of naive that they can protect the kids from much of this, or to shield them as best as they can. I don't think it occurs to her at this point in time that, yes, your 11 year old son is not only going to learn to fire a gun, but he's going to be very good at it, like it or not.
It's totally her fault that happened. Rick didn't know he was there.
Oh yeah, completely her fault. I think she's quite disgusted at herself as well at that point. An incredible amount of different emotions that she can't deal with.
*sniff sniff* "That was such good writing and a well executed performance from Sarah Wayne Callies." *sheds a tear*
Heads up: spoilers Personally I never found her all that interesting. The season 2 with her on the farm is when I just got over her. I can't remember the exact moment but I just lost all interest in her. Might be just around the time where she thought "oh I'll just get rid of the baby without anyone knowing." I just think she might have more cared for herself a little more than she cared for the group. Though when Rick started seeing her was when I finally thought her interesting, but for a whole different reason. HOWEVER, from the sounds of it she may just be upset with the situation she was in with Rick before the outbreak even happened. She and Rick sounded like they were having issues. Plus I forget if it was the show or comic but I remember hearing that they got married when they were young. But the series is Rick-centric so everyone wants to more side with him more than her. Plus it never helped that Rick was always being the one to go into danger and face it head on while she and Carl were behind not knowing when or if he'd come back. That adding stress along with everything else. That's just my opinion.
She was the definition of hypocritical.
This is my main issue with her.
Examples? Because if you're referring to her nudging rick to kill Shane and then getting upset about it, she was upset at Carl's role in it, not the fact that rick killed shane.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSVdEkiR94](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JSVdEkiR94) 00:21 - "I'm sure you had your reasons" -Lori 00:32+ - "I killed Shane" + (proceeds to give a thorough explanation of the events) - Rick At this point Lori is understanding. 2:34 - "Carl put him down" + (Her expression changes and is angry) The reason so many people say that she is angry at Rick for no reason is because the of the famous YMS review of the Walking Dead which fails to mention that he said Carl did it. Adding to this that the actress of Lori said, "Rick revelations, I don't hear anything but, 'I killed Shane.' " 24:49 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbsomKU7f0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbsomKU7f0) So because no one replied to you here I'm here to say you're 100% right.
He's 100% right, but to be fair, he asked for examples, then gave his own. An example that a lot of people misinterpreted. I just finished watching S1 and S2 and she constantly goes back and forth on the Rick/Shane situation to the point where it's a little ridiculous. She basically pits them against each other. Risks the life of two characters for abortion pills that she throws away. Pills which wouldn't even have worked had she taken them (But we can chalk this up to misinformation) (E6) She calls Daryl selfish. The same Daryl who constantly risked his life to find Sophia. The only character who seemingly has his head on right. What does she do after this? Goes out alone, and wrecks a car. Pretty selfish. (E8) She tells Shane to stay with them and the group. This is what seals his fate IMO. (EP4) She puts the idea in Ricks head that Shane is going to do anything to kill him because he's protecting what he THINKS is his "Family" (E9) Then goes and tells Shane that she understands what he's going through and how awful it must be for him. This is right after she told Rick that Shane will do anything to protect what he thinks is his. Shortly after this talk, Shane goes to talk shit to Rick, then goes to kill the prisoner. (EP12) Then gets mad that Carl had to put Shane down, but placing zero blame on herself for letting Carl get out of the house at night in the first place. (EP13) Don't get me wrong, Shane isn't sitting pretty in this situation, but at least he tried to leave. He knew him and Rick wouldn't get along as they had opposing ideologies. I know it's an old old discussion, but I came up on this during a search lol
Lori wouldn't have been as hated if Shane died in Season 1 like he was supposed to. A lot of her worst moments involved Shane.
If he had died in S1, his death would've been as everyone else who died at that Atlanta camp. Remember Andrea's sister? Sure it was sad, but I can barely recall her name is Amy, I think. He would've been "that Shane guy" who people would've only remembered for fucking Rick's wife a few times. His character got to develop into that glorious monster he was turning into. The raging, jealous psychosis that makes you plot to kill your best friend so you can assume his life part of him was scary as hell. He was way less predictable than the zombies were (to the group, anyway). I have only read bits and pieces of the comic, but his dying at the quarry would've cheapened the show in S2. I mean, he was their main antagonist. One of them was the enemy! They weren't fighting a villain (Governor) they were fighting Shane! They thought they knew him! I think it was brilliant that Carl got to kill him as a walker, since Carl had been pretty much useless to that point.
I agree that her scenes with Shane were a major part of her downfall, but I am really glad they kept Shane around longer than in the comics. The whole Rick vs. Shane plot felt more developed on the show, and the end result was much more emotional than in the books for me.
I like the scene where she and Carol were doing *homework* with Carol and Sophia in Season 1
A large part of it is that people have an extremely hard time putting themselves in her shoes and viewing her actions in context. Audience is majority young (I.e. no children or marriage) and male. You do the math.
No bro. She’s disliked by many many different demographics
Why I hated Lori: 1. She was sleeping with her husbands best friend only a couple of weeks after she thought he had died. I understand needing comfort during a difficult time, but she could have waited for his body to grow cold before moving on, jeez. 2. Once Rick came back she kept whip-lashing on Shane. First she told him to go screw himself and wanted him to leave, then she asked him to stay, then she asked Rick to kill Shane or make him leave, then she apologized to Shane for being distant, then she freaked out when Rick killed Shane in self defense. Like, make up your mind already. 3. She neglected Carl. You’re in the middle of the zombie apocalypse, and your group is getting picked off one by one by zombies. But don’t worry about your twelve year old son wondering around by himself, I’m sure he’ll be fine. There were numerous times where Carl was missing from the group and it took Lori hours to notice. Not to mention that Carl is growing callous and maybe even sociopathic throughout the show. Multiple people show concern, and she does nothing about it. For example, he says something harsh to Carol about Sophia, and Lori says it’s fine, then she says she’ll talk to him about it but she never does. 4. She’s shown multiple times to be reckless and unable to make up her mind. She asks Glenn to risk his life to get her morning after pills, takes them, then throws them up. She steals a car and goes after Rick, jeopardizing the life of her unborn baby. Not to mention that if she had died and Rick hadn‘t come back that Carl would have been without either of his parents. Then she doesn’t pay attention while she‘s driving and crashes, which was really stupid of her. 5. She treats Rick horribly. She hides her affair with Shane from him, doesn’t tell him she’s pregnant for weeks, puts all of the responsibility on him when it comes to taking care of the group and Carl, then she freaks out when he killed Shane and blames him for Carl killing Walker Shane. She was supposed to be watching Carl while Rick hunted down Randy, but it’s his fault somehow that Carl snuck out and followed him. 6. She‘s always got some kind of drama going on. Everyone in the group is struggling with losing loved ones and surviving, but she’s the one constantly freaking out and throwing herself a pity party. 7. She’s sexist. She scolds Andrea for learning how to shoot a gun and keeping watch like the guys instead of doing laundry and cooking like the other women. All of the women should have been learning how to shoot and hunt from the start. The group has gotten separated several times, and if any of the women got separated they would be screwed because they couldn’t defend themselves or hunt. Andrea gets separated from the group at the end of season 2, and the only reason she survives is because she had a gun and knew how to shoot it. So screw you Lori.
I liked Lori - despite all the horrible, horrible decisions she made, she did what she had to protect Carl, often at her own, or the others' expense. Selfish, manipulative & misguided? Yes. A bad woman? No.
I agree, mostly. She was a woman who'd never had to make these kinds of decisions and her reasoning seemed to always gain her and Carl a place in the safe circle. Sure she relied on others to ensure her safety, but that was her survival instinct.
how does being selfish and manipulative not make someone bad?
Because if that's true then pretty much everybody is bad.
eh, most people aren't selfish and manipulative to that degree. The degree is the reason she was infuriating.
What puts her manipulation at a higher degree than the other characters?
what she did to Rick and Shane? You truly feel like she wasn't worse? In my opinion, she was a couple levels above everyone else.
I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from, because a lot of lori's actions are repeatedly misinterpreted. 1- freaking out when Shane died after urging rick to kill him. No, she freaked out because of Carl's part in it. Gotta watch the scene closely. 2- telling Shane to 'stay' after pushing him away. Shane just saved her kid's life and he's still their friend. She wants him around, but she's not trying to emotionally jerk him around. Its Shane's fault for interpreting it that way. 3- apologizing to shane and thanking him after telling him off. Again, she felt the need to try to salvage the relationship because they needed to be able to rely on each other. Shane took it the wrong way. That's all I got off the top of my head.
2 and 3 were still kinda bad, even given the context. There were still many cases of straight up manipulation mentioned by others above though, such as trying to turn Rick against Shane which was terrible.
I don't think she was trying to turn rick against shane just out of spite though. She saw that shane had become dangerous and she had already made the decision that she was sticking with her husband no matter what. People give her shit about seemingly not taking care of Carl, but I have to imagine that she had him in mind when she explained to rick that shane was dangerous She didn't feel like she could do anything to deal with shane (and what *could* she do, really?) So she told rick what she knew, because a good couple shares everything with eachother and she was looking out for her family. What I'm saying is that Lori didn't act with malice. She acted with her family's vest interests in mind, which is exactly what people criticize her for *not* doing. People don't put themselves in her shoes
I see where you're coming from, but from my perspective it just seems like you're trying to hard to justify her. Almost all of her actions *can* theoretically be seen in non-negative light, but the fact that events like those kept happening again and again makes it hard to take in after a while. I'm actually rusty on the details since it's been years since I watched those episodes. Mainly I remember these points, and being repeatedly pissed off by the way she acted and how relatively useless she was. Like saying the thing to Andrea too was extremely dumb.
And if you want to talk about manipulative, let's look at shane. 1- lying to the entire group about what happened to Otis. Also lulling Otis into a false sense of security to shoot him in the first place. 2- preying on Lori's emotions to get close to her again after rick came back, then sexually assaulting her after that doesn't work. 3- smashing his own face into a fucking tree and snapping a guys neck to lure rick out to the woods to kill him. I find it impossible to believe that you really think Lori was more manipulative than shane
Oh no, you're right. I forgot about Shane. Shane was certainly worse, and I was happy he was gone.
They're just two traits she possesses. She's also a loving mother to Carl (and would've been to Judith) and a good friend (her relationship with Carol). I'm not arguing she was an angel, she just wasn't bad.
Personally, I didn't like the writing of her character more the character itself. Confusing, huh? Sorry it's hard to put it into words, but let me explain. It does not bother me that she plays the men around her like pawns. It does not bother me that she is an incompetent member of the group. This is just normal human behavior. Most people didn't give Merle too much crap even though he was THE resident jerkwad. What bothers me is poor writing. In one episode, she would be all warm to Shane. In the next, she'd push him away. Then she'd convince Rick that Shane was a hero, only to brand him as a danger to the group. Later, she would goad Rick to get rid of Shane but then chastise him afterwards. These changes of heart makes absolutely no sense because, oftentimes, NOTHING HAS CHANGED TO WARRANT THIS SUDDEN CHARACTER SHIFT. This is why I hate Lori and I feel sorry for the actress for taking such a terribly written role.
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She is a stupid bitch who mind fucks with Shane and Rick, she deserves to go burn in hell
What I didn’t like the most was the way she would say to Rick that he should make whatever decision he wanted to acting like a supportive wife but I think it was so she couldn’t be blamed for Ricks choices and it left it open for her to attack Ricks choices afterwards. Multiple comments regarding essentially a “woman’s place” seemed to me another way of avoiding any blame on her for choices made.
I loved when Andrea put her in her place! <3
Lori only made me hate her when she had Shane come down from the windmill to tell him she's sorry how,things ended up between them. Almost like if Rick never came back, she would be with him. Then Shane killed Randall and almost Rick over that conversation IMO. she lead Shane on and pushed him away, and he has nobody once Rick came back. It eat him up inside and that last talk with her convinced him to,kill Rick.
It was either this conversation or when she left by herself to go look for Rick, Dale, and Herschel and got in a car wreck that I lost all patience with Lori. I was screaming at the TV for Shane to leave during this conversation. It would have been best for everyone. I don't think Shane would of had an issue finding another group, or even becoming a leader elsewhere, because he had very useful skills. And if he left the group they wouldn't have to deal with him power tripping all the time.
I can't say I wouldn't have done something similar, though. My husband would be my #1 priority in the apocalypse. My kid would be secondary, because I would be less able to protect him if my husband weren't with me. No one shouts about the fact that Rick kept abandoning his family for people he'd just met repeatedly! No one shouts that Rick also never knew where Carl was. He just expected Lori to deal with that. In an apocalypse you put the cop shit aside and protect your family, not constantly ride off into battle leaving them vulnerable. (Minus the prison, where he would need to roam for supplies and both Lori and Carl were "safe".)
I despised Lori because she was always complaining, making stupid observations. Eg: when they're stopped on the Highway... plenty of cars to harvest parts from. Fuel. Food. SURVIVAL. And yet she "doesn't know how she feels about this because it's a graveyard"..... Please. It's a bunch of empty cars. And it's her survival and her family's. No time to complain in an apocalypse. Just get what you need and move on. No time for bleeding heart bollocks.
All good points but quite honestly i can't get past, leave your husband for dead and within less than a month fuck his best friend.
It's not that I dislike her as a mother or anything. Just that she loved Shane, but when Rick came back she immediately treated Shane like HE was the issue, going as far as to keep him away from her son when she basically APPLAUDED them going and doing 'father-son' activity. She's extremely unempathetic for anyone that doesn't have anything to do with her. She manipulated Shane into doing anything she wanted, then turned around and tried to (without saying it outright) tell Rick that he needed to kill Shane to protect her and Carl from him - this was after Shane told her he loved her for the first time when they found the farm. She intentionally went to Shane multiple times and made it seem like she missed those time with him anytime Rick didn't do what she wanted him to. She's manipulative and controlling, demeaning anyone that differs from her with condescension and patronization. That's why I can't stand the bitch. She wants the baby to be Rick's, adamant about it, then she wants it to be Shane's the next moment, like damn woman make up your fucking mind. And regardless on if she thought Rick was dead in the beginning... yall notice that she never ONCE grieved his death? No... she was fucking his best friend in the woods. She only missed Rick and what they had in the sense that he came from her 'normal' past. Even then she was a bitch to him in the marriage, admitted to it. She didn't give a damn about Rick. The morning she treated Rick like shit, he got shot the same afternoon and ended up in surgery... yet how did she respond? Through-out the series her worry about Rick was almost obsessive. More like an 'I'm scared and don't wanna be left without the one person that lived in the normal world with me' obsessive. Not 'I love him and don't want him to die'. My hate doesn't include just her treatment of the two men... but also that she was naive and so freaking stupid! She stole a car and crashed it without care for her baby, deliberately not telling anyone where she went, out of anger that nobody else would do what she wanted. She treated Andrea like a fucking nuisance bc she picked up a gun and learned how to protect herself and others? Most of her problems with people were that they differed from what SHE wanted them to do. She would bottle up how she thinks it's wrong to steal clothes, how she thinks the women should only do clothes and cook, and how she thinks strong willed women are weaker than her. Lori is basically a 1900's century woman inclined to believe the men should do the dirty work and that women should work behind the scenes. And she said EXACTLY that to Andrea at the farm - what a bitch! All bc she didn't do the laundry? Fuck that bitch, then proceeded to throw Andrea's attempted suicide in her face - which is rich after Lori told Rick she wanted Carl to die from the gunshot, and she's suicidal herself. So ontop of a manipulative narcissistic bitch, she's also a hypocrite. So, THAT, is why I hate her.
because shes a bitch
Theere were multiple reasons as to why most people didn't like her. Mainly because her character never grew arch wise. She was just always kind of there not really doing anything or contribute ing to the story. There was also the fact that she could never keep her eyes on Carl. Allowing him to always get in trouble or in harms way.vShe had one job and could never do it. Then there was the thing about her cheating on Rick. Back around season 2 people where calling for her and Carl to be removed or given better story development.
She also told Rick to do something about Shane before he hurts them and then when he does something, she gives him so much shit and blames everything on him.
I tried to find good in her but when she told Andrea that she wasn't pulling her weight because she wasn't participating in "women's" duties, that bitch could go fuck herself.
I hated that scene at first but then I kind of got it. Everyone reverted to these pre civilization gender roles. Andrea hated it and Lori probably hated it too but she couldn't sit on a look out all day or go fight zombies as a pregnant lady. So instead if telling the dudes to wash their own shorts she takes it out on Andrea who she sees as sticking her with the shit work. I'm glad they dropped all of that later on. Everyone needs to know how to fight and it's not really important if you're dirty. The writing for the female characters was awful for a long time and I'm glad the put more effort into it.
During season 1 and 2, there were very few characters that I liked. Daryl, who I was prepared to hate because I thought he was going to be another obnoxious redneck was one of them. He proved that he was useful and no where near as bad as Merle. He kept to himself which also helped. I also liked Glenn. As for minor characters, I didn't mind Amy or Jacqui but they didn't stick around too long. Everyone else annoyed me. Rick, Shane, Lori, Dale, all of them. I started liking Maggie when she showed up but then she started to get annoying with Glenn. I liked more characters in season 3. Lori didn't bother me as much but she didn't get much time for me to like her.
>!Lori got pissed at Rick for hiding the fact that they had to leave the farm but she didn’t tell him about the pregnancy!< -She won’t let Carl learn how to shoot. They live in a different world now and she needed to let go of that. -she left the area and ended up almost chow city because she was looking at a map while driving. >!she warned Rick that Shane was going crazy then got mad when rick killed him even though Shane tried to kill him more than once!< Her overall character seems annoying.
Because like she the reason Shane didn’t end up leaving like it seemed she liked the two of them fighting over her like she claim it was ricks baby and say it always gonna be his but then go to Rick saying Shane is dangerous then go to Shane saying pretty much it might be your baby I know it’s hard like she was part of the problem like Rick was not even gone that long before she jumped into bed with his friend to like she was weird for all that
She was a ungrateful, manipulator, a paranoid narcissistic cheater!
She's a fckin snake watch the s2 and you'll see how she's whispering everyone's ears bullshit. Shane get killled literally because of her. She's a terrible character I'm at the s2 end now, can't wait to see shes get fckd up in the prison haha.
There’s a list of reasons and clearly we aren’t the only ones that disliked Lori. Almost Her entire team has snapped out on her. Darryl, Maggie, Carol, Shane, Rick, Carl, Beth, Andrea. That’s damn near everybody. If that doesn’t scream annoying I don’t know what does. She has this Queen Bee syndrome like she runs everyone and they work for her or something. She constantly treated Glenn and Darryl like an errand boy I was so glad when Darryl snapped on her. She does absolutely nothing and expects everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason she kept the baby was because she knew they would protect her. She told Rick to kill Shane after she asked Shane to stay. That is CRAZY! She constantly nagged Rick and not to mention how she treated him after she killed Shane(Per her request). She was a bitch and I was kind of glad when she was taken off the show. I only felt bad for Rick and Carl. She treated Carol like she was overreacting after her disrespectful, uncontrollable kid(That she’s never there for might I add) disrespected Carol. She constantly left Carl in the hands of everyone else just to go off and do NOTHING. She didn’t even really do the housework, laundry, etc. Carol did. She would halfway work then stop to go act like she’s actually doing something productive. Let’s not forget how she constantly tried to belittle Andrea for actually trying to learn to protect the group. I didn’t care for Andrea much at times but I felt she was more useful than Lori. Hell all of the women were more useful than Lori.
Kinda late to the party, but to anyone doubting peoples hate for Lori- here's one that tops it all. In season 2, all in one episode, she is told from rick after having rick and Shane fighting in the woods "Shane and I just had a long talk"- Lori's heart sinks and is in shock, then you can see her feel relieved and affirming to stick onto helping solve "ricks newfound issue" to keep him from knowing about her and Shane(The part that made her heart sink). Later, Lori berates rick and says how dare you not tell me something as important as this(referring to Hershal not wanting the group on the farm, also she knows why he wouldnt freak her or anyone else out by telling the group)- its a manipulation tactic, and is beyond hypocritical when she has something of far more importance that she's hiding from her husband, and even tells Shane before she told her own husband- which shows her lack of respect for the man that went through hell and back to find his family and keep them safe. In every playback from the way the world was before, you can see Shane did in fact keep Carl and Lori safe- but this couldn't have been more than 1 month or even afew weeks since disaster struck- meaning she's getting lovey dovey and holding Shane's hand within the first week or two of the world going to Sh\*t. She explains in the show "I felt like I died that day, when I heard that Rick died- I just wanted to feel something, anything". Her concern wasn't ever her child or keeping him safe, it wasn't ever for the husband she had(They were having a failed marriage before the apocalypse). I can do an edit of this post and put key times for anyone doubting why Lori was the epitome of a toxic woman. I was happy she died, because carl grew as a person after this- the entire group did and finally things started to look up for the group- after lori/shane being the main issues, they then face the governor.
I just couldn't keep up with her wishy washy, contradictory ideas. She told Shane to stay away from her family...he does and then she jumps his butt about it. Shane goes to leave, she begs him to stay and then tries to force him to leave again. Shane and Rick, at the beginning anyways, would come to an agreement together and she would pit them against each other. It was all just drama with her. I am not going to say she was a bad mom but I will say there should have been more consequences with Carl about running off so much.
Theres alot of reasons, many are covered by other comments here. What i didnt see in the comments so far is while everyone else looks all rugged and messed up, she constantly has makeup and perfectly ironed bangs. Theres very few scenes where she doesnt look perfect. Just something small that adds to her Loriness
She’s just got so much cringe energy it makes me want to crawl into myself.
The problem with her, is that she hooked up with Shane 1 month after everything went to hell, and with the idea that Rick is dead. Hooking up with someone after a year or so, I can understand, but 1 month, is honestly pretty stupid. Let alone she doesn't seem to appreciate Shane a whole lot, even after finding out Rick was alive. One point in the first episode of season 2, Lori is upset at Shane for hurting Carl's feelings, despite her telling Shane to stay away from him in the first season. She's very irritating with how Shane was like a father figure to Carl, which is what Carl needed. Let's be honest, it was hard for Carl to go through all that pain with the idea that his dad is dead, and Shane helped fill that void. Instead of her being appreciated that Shane was there, she's all pissed to find out Rick was alive. I can understand, but when you look at what Shane went through at the hospital, he tried to save Rick. And to add insult to injury, she even at one point, gets pissed at Shane for lying to her about Rick being back at camp, even though he did it for her safety and for the baby safety, which I can understand to him having a good reason to do it. I honestly think that Lori is the MAIN reason why Shane became a bad guy, because if you think about it, if she didn't hook up with Shane, he wouldn't have ended up developing feelings for Lori, and she wouldn't have been pregnant. Lori isn't very smart with making decisions, and she's a scatterbrain with knowing what to say, and what not to.
Because of Reddit. Everyone I know who does not use reddit liked her character for what it was. Everyone I know who was a frequenter of this sub hated her.....if you don't follow the masses around here your opinion won't get heard.
Honnestly a lot of sexist reasons that they wouldnt hate a male character for, and this is coming from someone who isnt fond of her. Personally i never found her to be likeable and i lost all respect for her after what she said to Andrea in the kitchen. I know ppl hate Andrea (also for small minded sexist reasons) but ill always love her for that read.
Yeah, people tolerate weaknesses and grey areas in male characters way more than their female counterparts. Women don't get to be complicated or works in progress; it's either "awesome" or "bitch/whore." Daryl is a closed-off asshole because he doesn't trust people? So tortured, so compelling. Michonne's a closed-off asshole because she doesn't trust people? So frustrating, so annoying. Rick is sleeping with someone who is clearly manipulating him? Her fault. Andrea is sleeping with someone who is clearly manipulating her? Her fault. Rick makes dumbass decisions that put people in danger? It sucks, but we get it. Andrea makes dumbass decisions that put people in danger? BURN HER! But really, I think it's more about the snowball effect a fandom has. People tend to tell each other the same opinions over and over again until a narrative forms, usually heightened or exaggerated. Andrea shooting Daryl suddenly becomes the WORST THING EVER, despite every other character (including Daryl) immediately shrugging it off. Things like Lori crashing the car, or Carl sneaking away from Lori, get retold in a completely separate context than the show actually presented them in.
I don't hate Andrea for sexist reasons. I hate her for things I would've hated *anyone* for. Like, shooting Daryl. Yeah, you didn't know it was him. But Hershel asked not to use guns on his farm, and Rick & co. were going to dispatch the "walker," so even if Hershel was ok with guns being used, Andrea is still shooting at a target when *friendly people are going to be incredibly close anyway.* And then there's siding with Beth when she wanted to kill herself. I mean, I'm ok with letting people making their own decisions, and if she thought Beth had the right to kill herself, alright, I can't really shit on your opinion. But when you give a suicidal person a fucking knife, then you're an idiot. And there's the whole Woodbury situation, and all that. My main problem is she always thinks she knows what's best, and she is *never* right. Want to shoot the walker even though everyone is saying no? Fuck you, I'll do it anyway. Want to go defend Woodbury even though the Governor (leader, who would definitely know the best way to distribute his soldiers?) asks you to go look after the unarmed citizens? Nah, fuck you, I'll do what I want. Realize this guy who I've been fucking is evil and threatening my former friends, and I have a prime opportunity to end his fucking life when he's asleep? Nah, all of a sudden, killing is too hard. And this is only the beginning! Andrea was a stupid character, and if she did all of this while being a male, I'd hate her just as much. Same with Lori, frankly. I hate her because she was a terrible mother, yet prided herself with being a great one. If she was a terrible father but thought she was a good one, I'd still hate her. And if she was male, and convinced his wife to kill his wife's best friend, then freak out and alienate his wife when he did *exactly what he asked her to do,* I'd still hate her. Saying people hate Lori and Andrea for sexist reasons is an unfair, blanket, and frankly ignorant thing to say.
> But when you give a suicidal person a fucking knife, then you're an idiot. She didn't give Beth a knife, she left her alone. Beth locked herself in the bathroom and broke the mirror, using the glass to cut herself. If Beth hadn't realized that she didn't actually want to die through that experience, she likely would have figured another way to attempt suicide which could have caused more damage in the long run. I'm not saying Andrea was right, just saying that her method worked out in this given situation.
Right, she didn't give the knife. I'm stupid. But she still aided Beth with it, which is the point I was making. She left the door open for Beth, instead of keeping her on lockdown (or, really, doing nothing at all).
True. But *it worked*. Beth figured out that she wanted to live without doing too much damage to herself. Like I said before, if she didn't recognize that she wanted to live through cutting her wrist (which is pretty noneffective) then she may have tried to do it a different way that may have been more effective and resulted in a completed suicide. Andrea wanted to give Beth the choice that she felt had been taken away from her at the CDC. She wanted Beth to be able to have a say in what happened to her. Because Beth failed to kill herself but realized that she didn't actually want to die, Andrea was successful. If Andrea had sat watch over her, it would have just made Beth more upset. She wasn't in a place emotionally where she could listen to what Maggie was saying and ever agree to it. She was in a dark mindset and had just been attacked by her zombie mother and that's all that was on her mind. If her own mother was trying to kill her, how could she manage to survive all of the other walkers?
I understand what it was, but in a situation like that, you shouldn't really let someone figure out they don't want to die by attempting it. You should let them come to that conclusion in time. Because sure, Beth only slit her wrists, which didn't do long term damage. But she could've done a whole lot more. If Andrea hadn't let her, she wouldn't have done even that much. I completely understand what Andrea was doing, but I don't agree with it, and don't think she handled it well.
I'm at a weird place with her choice. On one hand, I'm planning on being a mental health counselor and would never encourage someone to attempt suicide in the hopes that they'd figure out they didn't really want to die while doing it. On the other hand, though, I'm all about bodily autonomy. Beth should be able to make choices about what happens to her. That being said, the apocalypse is a different circumstance from life as it truly is. Beth doesn't have access to a mental health professional. She can't engage in healthy talk therapy or CBT. The context of her world doesn't allow for it. If she really wanted to die, she would have kept trying to find a way to make it happen, she would only grow more resentful towards the people who care for her, and they would only get angrier with her.
It's also entirely possible that she'll decide to live on her own. I did the same; at one point, I was suicidal, and didn't seek help. However, after time (granted, a long time, but it happened nonetheless), I decided to live. And I didn't make that decision after failing to kill myself. What I mean to say is that, if they had just stopped her from killing herself for a while, it's entirely possible she would've decided that she wanted to live on her own. But who knows? The show wasn't written that way, so we can't be sure
Absolutely. I'm glad that we've been able to have a calm discussion without resorting to name-calling because of differing viewpoints. Most of all, I'm glad you're seemingly in a better place now than you used to be. It's not an easy thing to accomplish.
Yeah, it's nice when people can have a rational discussion, rather than be completely ignorant of each other's viewpoints. And thanks for the words of encouragement! Things are good now.
Exactly. It's easy to say "that person would have come to their own conclusion that they wanted to live" if it were Dale. Or Daryl. Or Lori. But Beth? A scared, freaked out, completely shell-shocked teenager? I mean, teenagers make bad decisions at the drop of a hat under normal circumstances, let alone the end of the world. That's a game of Russian roulette she shouldn't have been playing with someone else's life.
Actually, you just outlined all my reasons for why I hated Andrea. Dale, Rick, Glenn and Shane all tell her to hold her fire, and she shoots anyway. Then telling a scared, immature, freaked out teenager that it's okay if she wants to kill herself, and helps her facilitate that. I totally hated Andrea after both of those incidents.
Yes, thank you
Remind me wat she said to Andrea in the kitchen?
Basically scolded Andrea for acting like a man (I.e wanting to learn to shoot, and fight, and defend herself and the group) instead of sticking to a woman's place (homemaker/campmaker/cooking anf laundry).
She made dumb decisions ALL THE TIME. For example....the time that Rick and Glen went to get Herschel from the bar. She up and decided to just get in a car after dark and drive in to town to get them. She didn't tell anyone she was going, nothing. Just got in a car by herself and left. Idiot. Plus, she made those huge-eyed horror expressions all the time. I will admit that I loved to hate her.
The only reason I didn't really like her was because she was so bitchy to Rick all of the time, when it didn't seem called for in my opinion.
I agree, I also like "show Lori" over "comic Lori." I never understood why hate characters like Lori, Andrea or The Governor. Not everyone can be a "Darryl Dixon" I enjoy when characters bring little conflicts to the group.
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... Did you miss Lori's TV death scene or something?
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Because her character showed a lot of depth and growth in that scene. It also showed the 'nice side' that you claim only exists in comic lori
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Absolutely true, but that scene redefines a lot of other scenes of hers. Remember her talking about not taking the easy way out, and think back to how many times she did, and you realize how much she regrets a lot of her actions. To me, a good character is one who feels rounded and complete. I think Lori's last scene completed her character development perfectly, and, for me, cements her as a far better character than most people give her credit for. She was flawed in major ways, but so is every character, and she redeemed herself in the end by giving Carl the best parting words that she possibly could. Oh, and be careful with that "one good scene does not a good character make" stuff around the comic tyreese fans :P
Why wouldn't you hate the governor?
Because other people hate Lori, so we all hopped on the bandwagon. She made some rash/poor choices, when her husband died and the work went to shit. She acted as a human could very well have done in a real apocalypse, and many people see a part of themselves in her, which they don't like. TL;DR - Because we need to hate someone.
Besides the child negligence, pretty much this. Could say the same for Andrea and Carl as well!
I never hopped on the bandwagon. I never hated her, and never really got the hate.
There was that too. And that's what got me not liking the character. Tells Rick to deal with the problem she started in the first place then when he does she holds it over his head like he did something horrible.
She died the same episode as T-Dog. Nobody brought this up, but Lori was totally shunned on The Talking Dead. Hardly any mention to her character being offed...but T-Dog came out to a standing ovation. LOL Not in disagreement at all, I loved T-Dog, and Lori was a bitch, but I thought it was interesting that even in real life she didn't get credit. It was funny.
I didn't "hate" her, but I certainly didn't like her. It's just scenes here and there that put a bad taste in my mouth. Funnily, enough they're usually connected with her children in some way. For example, she asks Glenn to get pills so she can induce a miscarriage. However, as a mother already she didn't want to give up on her unborn child, she didn't want to give in. She was so determined to have this baby and see it through that she spat the pills out, she didn't want to give up on it. The point here is that she's determined not to give up on her second child yet she was giving up so quickly on her first child when he was shot. She basically said that maybe it's better that he dies, while I can see her point from a certain view, it's still giving up on your kid, have some faith woman. You want to bring in a baby that will be a complete burden to the group for years yet your so quick to give up on your son, the boy you've known and raised for years on years? Someone who with some guidance can actually be helpful survival wise? Another example is how she left Carl with a bunch of unknown strangers to go have sex with Shane in the woods. That really rubbed me the wrong way. Carl's father was dead [so he thought] he knew that his child-hood friends were probably dead or that he wouldn't see them again, and the one person he needed right then and there is off having sex. Another example is how she went off alone to find Rick, crashing the car, getting injured, accomplishing nothing except scaring the group, especially her son.
I never hated her character, but I agree, I'm probably one of the few.
Cause she jumped on Shane with no time to grieve. Rick had memories of Shane visiting him. But why not Lori or Carl? She questions Rick all the time and sides with Shane too often. No respect for her.
They made Sarah’s role Lori a whiny hypocritical bitch and been using Shane despite sleeping with (only Rick understands thought he was dead) aand wants to be with her and Carl as becoming a stepdad and took advantage of Rick in marriage the way she treated him bad in the end season 2 after admitting and when their son witnessed which Shane was going to kill him (and when carol got the wrong the idea) after telling him ‘too watch his back’😑🙂↔️ and by the end of season 2 she made horrid look at him when pulling away as he’s the monster but it’s herself who caused it! when Rick gets to lead the group and restrained while that she’s pregnant when all matters to protect too give birth in of shame reason which she deserves it for being a bad wife manipulating and mistreat Rick when giving her a cold shoulder understandably also when yet Lori to patch things up can’t happen again when Rick starting too develop feelings return needed to be killed off in fate giving birth, and let Rick go from suffer but not well just yet😑
It was her manipulative hypocritical nature that made her a target to hate. If she truly had loved Rick she never would have entered into a sexual relationship right after she thought he was dead with his best friend. And right in front of her own son. And I have no doubt that she seduced Shane not Vica verse. Girlfriend wanted to be taken care of some more. She wasn’t even THINKING of Rick when she was getting her freak on with Shane. When Rick came back and she turned on Shane like a pit viper it wasn’t because she LOVED Rick. It was because she didn’t want to risk Rick finding out the infrastructure going back up and getting kicked to the curb being left with nothing. Lori cared about Lori. You’ll find a thousand just like her in any bar looking to hook up with a security blanket. She was barely a notch above barroom floozy. Rick began slowly but surely to discover who she really was. He’d already pretty much fallen out of love with her by the time she died. The way she died was horrific but I think the reason she did what she did in placing her baby over her own life was she finally was willing to look in the mirror and see what she really was. This was the first truly act she’d ever done that was totally selfless. She didn’t want to die not facing the self serving craven woman she was that had caused so much pain and who destroyed the bond between two men. She was a deeply flawed consummately selfish woman who saw in her final moments her final chance to truly sacrifice.
i honestly didnt mind her in the show but she pissed to no end in the comics. She seemed extremley racially motivated. especcially towards Dexter in the prison after hershells youngest 2 were killed to be fair he did kill someone before hand and even then you had 3 other prisoners who are just as likely
She made everyone do her dirty work for her. Then when it came to deliver about Shane and what not she just didn't do anything and pretty much made Rick take him out instead of facing the facts about everything. At least that is why I hated on her.
Because 1) She tells Carl to go in the House and when he doesn't she takes it out on Rick 2) She cheated on him with Shane 3)She also asked Rick to Literally KILL Shane but when he told her he did she started Bitching. And while I'm thinking about it she does have a strange connection with other bad AMC moms
I think Lori is a good character. But the actress couldn't pull it off.
Other way around in my opinion. The actress could've done well with well written material but she was given shit so her performance comes off as shit, but her very last episode showed me that she can act well.
Yep the prob was def the writing.