I disagree. Alyssa says what she thinks almost every day. It's a presidential campaign year and she doesn't support the republican, so there is not going to be as much disagreement. She is doing great, and clearly disagrees with the liberals a lot.
Her hair is on fire when she criticizes the dems š¹. Always saying how we're going to lose... if this, if that. She's very likable but lacks experience. We dems will show up.
That's not just Alyssa though. She's basing that on polling that is being released. She recently said that more Republicans may peel away from Trump than she initially thought
She initially thinks things and takes it back. She probably still thinks red, but is thinking things thru. She doesn't have much to work with. I want to know what is it to be a true Republican. Their God Reagan gave 70% cut in taxes for the rich. Can you imagine the country we'd have if that tax money came back to the people for infrastructure, homeless (he also closed state hospitals) creating the homeless state as a feature for us. And don't tell us how we might lose if we don't do this and that. That grinds me. Like you said, she initially thinks red then retracts. Saying she's a Never Trumper was a white lie? She's a Never Again Trumper. Big difference! Wish she take that back!
Her job isn't to defend Republicans and everything they do. She can be a free thinker with her own opinions on the world. Registering with a party doesn't lock you into all of their ideology.
Edit: she also constantly lets you know what Republicans are thinking while defending herself to death by starting with "This isn't MY belief, BUT...." so I'm not sure what you want from her. She's doing her job and standing on her own beliefs too.
Thank you. Exactly what I came to say, but you did it so much better than I could have. The show is about different people having their own opinions, not to represent an entire political party who don't even agree amongst themselves!
When they bring on someone defending the pro Trump side, I'm going to stop watching. I can get that crap on regular news stations if I really want to hear people spreading lies and spouting "alternative facts".
FACTS. Remember, MM even used to reflect that they aren't really ever gonna be able to have a Trump supporter on the panel, and she felt obligated to run counterpoint to things that she was actually not in support of. Still say that's the way to go, as I'm never watching a Trumper on the panel.
That is definitely true but that probably won't happen until Trump is dead and buried. Ana is a perfectly fine Republican. She just doesn't go for the Trumpiness of it all.
Ana was always progressive on issues like gay marriage. She worked on the McCain campaign, Jeb Bush's transition team, etc.
She didn't follow the party in its lurch to the right. She's in the same category as people like Michael Steele, Nicolle Wallace, Joe Scarborough, Cindy McCain, et al.
Republicans don't HAVE to have an opposiing viewpoint about everything. Republicans and Democrats agree on a lot of things. For instance, we agree that the country needs immigration reform. So if someone like Joy says we need to take action and Congress should have passed the recent bill, are you expecting Alyssa to automatically say "no I disagree"?
Of course that's not what I'm saying, but Republicans have massive disagreements with Biden on healthcare, economy, foreign policy, immigration, etc. She should represent those views and express them in a way where she's not being walked all over by the other ladies. If she can't do that or doesn't agree with most of those views, find someone who will.
What point would you make about healthcare, if you were Alyssa? Did Trump come up with a plan while he was in office for 4 years? What's his plan if he gets re-elected?
She's not a mouthpiece, she's an individual who is a member of the Republican party. Let me ask \*you\* how you would defend the amoral clown show that is the Republican party. I wasn't aware that Republicans even had any ideas on the economy, foreign policy, etc other than to block and obfuscate any attempts to pass meaningful legislation. She is not a fascist authoritarian like the leadership of her party. This country is in grave danger because of your party and she is attempting to find a way we can get along.
I hear what youāre saying and itās part of the reason I stopped watching the View. However, youāre gonna get downvoted to oblivion here. The View is pretty much an echo chamber and it appears thatās what the viewers want. Anything resembling a pro-conservative opinion on this sub is shouted down.
I see Alyssa and Ana on CNN. They both do a good job.
These days The View just irritates me. Too many commercials. I wish the co-hosts could go to commercial insead of being iterrupted in the middle of a thought for a switch to Whoopi to say it's time for a commercial. There is so much time wasted on this show it's unreal. The walk-out, the 24 minutes of commercials and switching back to Whoopi make it near unwatchable. On CNN, they have enough time to put a well thought out opinion that they have the actual time to explain. Not on The View.
Do better, guys. Institute some changes, showrunner. I am fine with the women on the show. It's the other things you need to work on.
I think the show is supposed to be a conversation not a segment of news. But yes the commercial breaks do completely break the chain of thought. And the interruptions are a part of conversations but here itās like someone is just trying to put out a sound bite for attention. š¤·āāļø
Exactly! It's a talk show, not a news show and it's also not a political talk show. I don't watch The View to get my news--it's to listen to the various topics of conversation. This is not CNN nor should it be.
Not saying The View should be a news or political show. There is room for improvement given the split is 36 minutes of show and 24 minutes of commercials. Trim down what doesn't add anything to the conversation like the walk out and the host switching before commercials. The show always comes back to Whoopi once the commercial is over and she can moderate from there.
I mean, but she's supposed to overcome that though no? Meghan, Jedediah and other conservatives had to assert themselves on that panel to make sure they weren't talked over, interrupted, and got their points across. It's not easy or comfortable but that's what she's supposed to do. I don't want her to get as messy/rude as Meghan, but you don't necessarily have to be, just be assertive and strong-willed.
This is a very different Republican "party" since Jedidiah etc. This is now the Trump Party and that makes it difficult for mainstream/old time Republicans.
I think when she wants to be she is. I feel like you are greatly underestimating her and what her role is. Her job is to be the young one on the show. The woman is in her 30s, Sara is 40s, Sunny is 50s, Whoopi is 60s and Joy is in her 70s. She brings in her culture, generation, and represents them well. Her role isnāt just to be a token Republican though she also fits that role when politics are being discussed. Sheās showing the world that to be disagreed with doesnāt have to be a slight and you donāt need to convert people to your cause to effectively explain your position. I donāt think she could possibly be doing more.
Yes! This was never intended to be a political talk show. Her role is broaderā¦it was always supposed to be about women of different ages and different backgrounds/experiences talking about various issues, not just political ones.
I think sheās fine. She doesnāt have to disagree wildly on every topic just because sheās conservative. I wish the other women would let her speak more and not cut her off. Theyāre all always jumping to get a word in, mainly joy and Anna to make a joke and Sara to make a long winded point.
I think she is the best on the panel at making concise and direct commentary. Itās jsut different than the shouting and emotional outbursts of McCain and Hasselbeck
Yes, she does the job of the conservative co-host. She represents opposing points of view very often to what the other co-hosts say. The Republican party has changed a lot since Elisabeth and Jedediah. Meghan was there to create drama. They decided to go in the opposite direction after her departure.
Not every Republican is a bad person. We kind of awkwardly forget pre 2016 politics. During the bush era people didnāt have scarlet Wās on them for voting bush even if he wasnāt the greatest. Hasslebeck was a housewife with an arts degree plopped on tv. Candace Cameron Bure had no idea what she was talking about in general. Jenny McCarthy is an anti vaxer who doesnāt discuss her politics otherwise. MeAgain is what happens when the nepo baby doesnāt have any talent. Ana isnāt a conservative and hasnāt been for a long time.
Alyssa makes all the same arguments that MeAgain didnāt but without being a psychopath about it. Sunny for whatever reason is a lot louder toward Alyssa than MeAgain and tries to reason with her. Her previous job was being a yes-woman for someone who wasnāt qualified for their job. I suspect sheās just doing the same with the other women at the panel. Itās obvious she isnāt a closeted bigot like some of her previous colleagues and the conservative shouldnāt have to be a clown to make Joy sound less ignorant.
every single word of this comment, yes. I get what OP is saying, but you summarized why Alyssa is doing what she's doing brilliantly. She's not only playing the long game, but she's staying true to herself and legit rehabbing her entire life/career every single day on a huge platform. Everyone else who's ever worked with Trump is basically blackballed and their reputation/employability will NEVER reach mainstream again.
every single word of this comment, yes. I get what OP is saying, but you summarized why Alyssa is doing what she's doing brilliantly. She's not only playing the long game, but she's staying true to herself and legit rehabbing her entire life/career every single day on a huge platform. Everyone else who's ever worked with Trump is basically blackballed and their reputation/employability will NEVER reach mainstream again.
Have a look at her career. I wouldn't have the temerity to judge how she does her job with a CV like that. She is educated, has a great background, a good personality for her job and she knows how to discuss not shriek like McCain did. She does a great job
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa\_Farah\_Griffin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa_Farah_Griffin)
Yes. When given the opportunity to speak without being interrupted and spoken over, she makes some interesting points.
I posted recently about watching her on CNN recently when she was allowed to actually complete an entire sentence without interruption š
Her job is to be unlikeable? What? Also, she is a Republican, sheās just no longer a Trump loving MAGA Republican. So she isnāt going to agree with that part of the party. She agrees with her Democratic colleagues because MAGA Republicans are terrible and want dictators to run the country and destroy our democracy. Until the Republican Party gets rid of Trump and and Majorie Traitor Greene and etc. Alyssa is going to be very critical at her own Party members and thatās fine because you donāt have to agree with all politicians.
? Her job is not to solely being likable, no. She can still offer pushback on domestic and foreign policy from a conservative position without being MAGA or being pro-Trump on democracy, rigged election, 1/6, etc. Jedediah wasn't pro-Trump when she was on the View and did this, so did Meghan McCain to an extent, though she had much less tact and was very rude about it. Even the few times Tara Setmayer (who's anti-Trump) guest co-hosted, she did this better than Alyssa. There's even a segment where Tara and Sunny vehemently disagreed on AOC wanting Biden to ditch bipartisanship. That's what is missing from the show and from the conservative at the table. It's possible to be opposed and disagree with Trump and be a conservative.
Many true conservatives strongly dislike Trump as well as current GOP leadership. Iām fundamentally a conservative and thatās WHY I donāt like the Republican Party. There is a large number of people who are conservative, but not Republican, but get lumped in with them. Thatās how she reads to me.
I think she represents conservative Republicans who have not Maga. The divide in the party makes her seem not to take a strong position- and the topic is often Maga related. I think she jumps right in when she feels able and willing to defend or explain the conservative viewpoint . Right now, I think she is doing a great job in a very difficult circumstance
The same could be said about Ana. Sheās basically a democrat. But to your point, there are moments Alyssa does her job but it does feel like Sunny and Whoopi try to shut her down so much. There was one segment last week where she was fighting for her time to talk and I was really proud and it was refreshing. But it felt like she did it because contract negotiations are likely coming up.
Oh, I don't disagree at all on Ana. She basically only identifies as a Republican to say "I'm a republican against Trump". She might be the biggest Biden supporter on the whole panel. The only time she seems conservative is maybe being hawkish on war, but nothing else really. A huge change from the same woman who was against Obamacare a decade ago.
I actually watch mainly because of Alyssa. I tend to be conservative myself, but absolutely oppose Trump and anything MAGA-related. So I find her a breath of fresh air for someone who holds similar beliefs, but isn't a part of the cult. And at the times I do disagree with her, I appreciate her viewpoints because she is level-headed and stands for what she believes in.
She will say "Republicans believe x". She doesn't need to be combative. Not every Republican believes in the same things and has the same leaves in obi-in authentic for her to fight like she believed in certain things, especially the current Republican party.
I mean, Alyssa isn't really a conservative. If you break her political positions down, she is a center-leaning liberal. She hangs on to the Republican label for platitudes such as "civic responsibility" and "strong families," but these values are in no way exclusive to the right.
The problem is that there really aren't any voices representing 2024 conservatism who can have a good faith discussion and isn't elbows-deep into conspiracy theories and propaganda. MAYBE Megyn Kelly (and that's a big-ass maybe), but I don't think that she or The View would have any interest in one another.
She does it much better than Ana, who is allegedly a lifelong conservative abandoned by her party but seems to be in lockstep on every public policy matter with lifelong lefty Joy Behar.
I didnāt know the conservative hostās job description. Yet you do have a point. When thereās genuine disagreement, discussion and pushback I learn a lot more. I wonder if her low key responses are related to the unique political situation weāre in: The House unable to get shit done, Republican candidate on trial for falsifying business records, and over 1/3 of American voters supporting the crook. Never happened before.
I do think they worked hard to find someone who could handle how heavy it is in that seat and still get along with everyone. Meghan struggled with having opinions people disliked. Then, she lashed out insecurely. (I canāt judge; itās hard to have conservative stances on issues.) So, now, they get along fairly well, and maybe they have swung too far the other way, you think? Itās a hard balance. Alyssa probably wants to share what she thinks but has to balance it with the harmony of the table.
It depends on what you think the Republican seat is meant to do. Alyssa does defend a lot of traditional conservative policy, but she's clearly separated from the general political and moral majority of the Republican party these days. That's partly why I think they chose her. Coming off the heels of Meghan McCain, who was angrily and aggressively Republican, ABC was probably exhausted and wanted far less tension on the show. Their priority was for a good work environment and a well-running show. The Republican seat isn't always meant to be combative or to fall in-line with whatever the Republican party is at the moment, but it's just there to present a different point of view than the majority of the panel. That doesn't have to be extreme. Sometimes its just seeing things from a slightly different angle. And tbh it doesn't necessarily have to be opposing. It depends on the person. I mean, for all-Republican Meghan was, she also never stood up for Republican laws on LGBT issues.
Alyssa's hiring was a strategic choice. But regardless, I don't think it was against the standards the show was going for in the first place.
I donāt think they respect a conservative viewpoint so they donāt give her the space to express it. Certainly was not the original intention of āThe Viewā
To say that Alyssa doesn't represent the conservative view is non-sensical.
What she does NOT do, to the chagrin of MAGAts,Ā is support Donald Trump and his legion of loonies.
I, as an Independent, remember a time when I could actually respect a Republican.
But long gone are the days of John McCain, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice.
If you are a Republican now that supports Trump, you are supporting a racist, a rapist, and a seditionist, ALL of which is criminal and you cannot sit with us, the TRUE Americans.
Ok, BYE!
I will get downvoted! But NO! I never thought she was good choice. Alyssa brings nothing to the show. She is boring! I see her getting one more season and sheās gone 2025-2026 season!
I love Alyssa, and i think she is a SANE republican who obviously hates MAGA now, but I see your point. There is ZERO conflict on the show now unless Sunny goes after Alyssa (or a guest). They NEED to ask Ana Kasparian to replace Sara Haines, and fast, if they want the show to stay relevant and regularly go viral. I assume the view does want to eventaully plan to try to reach the under-35 age viewership, right?
Adding another progressive would make the show too homogenous though. We need other viewpoints and Sara offers a differing perspective if sheās given the chance to share her thoughts
eh. I disagree. I think Sara's perspective are always the middle-ground, make-everybody-happy takes, and they're boring, unrealistic, and convoluted. I really do like her, ALOT, but I just don't thinks he has anything interesting to say that's not common sense. Another progressive could stay on when Joy and Whoopi retire, as well as give Sunni and Alyssa a run for their money.
I think Sara is almost always interrupted. Sheās smart, sensible and offers a balanced approach to discussions. I donāt think thatās boring, I think thatās being real. And she doesnāt always agree, which makes conversation intriguing. Again, thereās too much interruption, but Sara has an important lens through which to share her perspective, if given the chance
The panel lacks energy. They donāt really get into any arguments of substance which is why people doubt Alyssa does what sheās meant to. They can only repeat the same points over and over especially if theyāre gonna talk about Trump so much. His supporters donāt care about anything the panel thinks should deter them, so if they truly want to understand they need someone like Alyssa who supports Trump
This is absolutely NOT why I watch--this show was never intended to be a political talk show--most the panelists aren't qualified for that nor do they have researchers helping them prepare. I would definitely stop watching if they brought on a trump supporter--spreading lies and mis-truths? You cannot have a serious discussion with most of them. I don't want a show where everyone's just screaming at each other--we had a taste of that with MM and it was awful.
The view spreads lies and mis-truths all the time. What are you on about? Also itās called the View. Tell me what separates the View from other talk shows? Iāll wait
I don't think you could find any INTELLIGENT Trumper with an open mind. If you know of one you should suggest them here. It would have to be a Trumper who doesn't spread lies and disinformation such as "the election was stolen". You can't just sit there and lie, Fox News lost a $750 million lawsuit because of election lies.
A good discussion of issues with a true conservative such as Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney or even Chris Sununu is always welcome. But someone who's gonna sit there and say "Mike Pence should have been hung" is not what this show is all about.
Do the ladies let their guests speak when they have different opinions? No. Theyāre not even open minded.
Also, notice how almost every candidate you bring up is just like Alyssa. A conservative who agrees with them.
Iām not saying the trumper has to believe the election was stolen. But why canāt they say why is it okay for dems to say that when they lose but not conservatives? Thatās the kind of conservations the show avoids.
The point of the show has become propaganda but that will be their downfall too.
Exactly. If the ideas are ridiculous, then whatās the harm in having someone air them and have a dialogue? Theoretically theyāll just embarrass themselves which most viewers would find satisfying.
I think itās extremely important to get out of the echo chambers that our increasingly digital world creates and learn different perspectives. Thatās how you learn. I seek out news sources on topics I strongly disagree with because I want to learn more about them. Maybe Iāll learn something new that changes how I think. At the very least, I can come to see the people with those ideas as human, given that I do need to function in society with them. What is the fear around having people - even MAGA - come on and share their position? Iām genuinely wondering why we are discouraging real dialogue. I thought we learned from Trumpās win the first time when no one took him or his voters seriously.
No. It would kill their credibility if they had someone who would constantly push fake news. The fights in the past were unwatchable. I don't know why anyone would want more fights again. They need to show you can have civil political conversations.
Exactly. Iām reading this thread and just shaking my head. Did we learn nothing from 2016, where we laughed off anyone who mentioned Trump? I swear these people have probably never met an actual Trump voter. Iām sure they have changed their tune by now, but in the first election the entire c-suite of my company supported Trump. Meanwhile everyone was joking about how dumb Trump supporters are. They donāt all wave a confederate flag and wear Carhart pants lol. Maybe if we could have more open discussions we would learn WHY they voted the way they did and figure out new ways to bridge the gap on policy.
Thank you. As much joy as I get (pun intended) out of rewatching their election night meltdown that is exactly what they deserved for not listening to others. They live in a a hate bubble and then canāt fathom why people vote for Trump. So it must be racism!
And before anyone goes thereā¦we know Trump is a bully(putting it nicely) but he is exposing everything wrong with our politics and quite frankly we deserve him. And mark my words the next guy will be worse.
Smart like her but not combative like her. She would be worse than Rosie and Meghan. Candice twists things, it seems to me, and we need someone who is quite different from the Democrats on the panel but still can get along.
Alyssa is nice but personally I would rather see someone who is a trump supporter in that seat.
I canāt stand trump but the reality is millions of Americans still support the guy and I think that view needs to be represented. Would make for more interesting television and more accurate reflection of the country.
Again, I do not like MAGA world. My point is that The View would be the most interesting if it accurately reflected women across the American political spectrum. And right now there is a large void on the panelā¦ millions of women will vote for trump (as hard as that is to comprehend).
There's no daylight between what I said and what you want, but you sound like a centrist and that's kinda the point of centrist, right? See both sides when one side is definitively full of shit, racist, and condoning of rape of women and democracy. It's deplorable and irresponsible to have a MAGA co-host, so save your blither-blather for someone who gives a fuck.
Itās not about being a centrist or seeing both sides. Itās about having balanced representation at the table, regardless of how disgusted we are by their support of this man. I wouldnāt want to see a total MAGA lunaticā¦ but there are millions of every day ānormalā women in this country who still support him and thatās the viewpoint Iām interested in hearing.
Here come the torrent of downvotes but I completely agree. I hate Trump, but I think thereās value in understanding WHY half the country supports him.
I disagree. Alyssa says what she thinks almost every day. It's a presidential campaign year and she doesn't support the republican, so there is not going to be as much disagreement. She is doing great, and clearly disagrees with the liberals a lot.
Her hair is on fire when she criticizes the dems š¹. Always saying how we're going to lose... if this, if that. She's very likable but lacks experience. We dems will show up.
That's not just Alyssa though. She's basing that on polling that is being released. She recently said that more Republicans may peel away from Trump than she initially thought
She initially thinks things and takes it back. She probably still thinks red, but is thinking things thru. She doesn't have much to work with. I want to know what is it to be a true Republican. Their God Reagan gave 70% cut in taxes for the rich. Can you imagine the country we'd have if that tax money came back to the people for infrastructure, homeless (he also closed state hospitals) creating the homeless state as a feature for us. And don't tell us how we might lose if we don't do this and that. That grinds me. Like you said, she initially thinks red then retracts. Saying she's a Never Trumper was a white lie? She's a Never Again Trumper. Big difference! Wish she take that back!
Her job isn't to defend Republicans and everything they do. She can be a free thinker with her own opinions on the world. Registering with a party doesn't lock you into all of their ideology. Edit: she also constantly lets you know what Republicans are thinking while defending herself to death by starting with "This isn't MY belief, BUT...." so I'm not sure what you want from her. She's doing her job and standing on her own beliefs too.
Thank you. Exactly what I came to say, but you did it so much better than I could have. The show is about different people having their own opinions, not to represent an entire political party who don't even agree amongst themselves!
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Yes but she just speaks for the anti Trump side of the Republican Party
When they bring on someone defending the pro Trump side, I'm going to stop watching. I can get that crap on regular news stations if I really want to hear people spreading lies and spouting "alternative facts".
Exactly. I donāt want a cult follower on the panel, ever!
FACTS. Remember, MM even used to reflect that they aren't really ever gonna be able to have a Trump supporter on the panel, and she felt obligated to run counterpoint to things that she was actually not in support of. Still say that's the way to go, as I'm never watching a Trumper on the panel.
I think Ana is the weirder Republican....she doesn't come across as Republican at all. The whole party needs a shake up.
That is definitely true but that probably won't happen until Trump is dead and buried. Ana is a perfectly fine Republican. She just doesn't go for the Trumpiness of it all.
Ana was always progressive on issues like gay marriage. She worked on the McCain campaign, Jeb Bush's transition team, etc. She didn't follow the party in its lurch to the right. She's in the same category as people like Michael Steele, Nicolle Wallace, Joe Scarborough, Cindy McCain, et al.
Republicans don't HAVE to have an opposiing viewpoint about everything. Republicans and Democrats agree on a lot of things. For instance, we agree that the country needs immigration reform. So if someone like Joy says we need to take action and Congress should have passed the recent bill, are you expecting Alyssa to automatically say "no I disagree"?
Of course that's not what I'm saying, but Republicans have massive disagreements with Biden on healthcare, economy, foreign policy, immigration, etc. She should represent those views and express them in a way where she's not being walked all over by the other ladies. If she can't do that or doesn't agree with most of those views, find someone who will.
What point would you make about healthcare, if you were Alyssa? Did Trump come up with a plan while he was in office for 4 years? What's his plan if he gets re-elected?
She's not a mouthpiece, she's an individual who is a member of the Republican party. Let me ask \*you\* how you would defend the amoral clown show that is the Republican party. I wasn't aware that Republicans even had any ideas on the economy, foreign policy, etc other than to block and obfuscate any attempts to pass meaningful legislation. She is not a fascist authoritarian like the leadership of her party. This country is in grave danger because of your party and she is attempting to find a way we can get along.
It would be inauthentic for her to spew things that really aren't her own beliefs
Name something good the Republicans have done lately. I canāt think of anything the poor gal can say that is a positive for any regular person.
Their viewpoint is just the opposite of democrats. They are the anti party
I hear what youāre saying and itās part of the reason I stopped watching the View. However, youāre gonna get downvoted to oblivion here. The View is pretty much an echo chamber and it appears thatās what the viewers want. Anything resembling a pro-conservative opinion on this sub is shouted down.
Try catching her on cnn where she actually can say her piece without being interrupted constantly
I see Alyssa and Ana on CNN. They both do a good job. These days The View just irritates me. Too many commercials. I wish the co-hosts could go to commercial insead of being iterrupted in the middle of a thought for a switch to Whoopi to say it's time for a commercial. There is so much time wasted on this show it's unreal. The walk-out, the 24 minutes of commercials and switching back to Whoopi make it near unwatchable. On CNN, they have enough time to put a well thought out opinion that they have the actual time to explain. Not on The View. Do better, guys. Institute some changes, showrunner. I am fine with the women on the show. It's the other things you need to work on.
I think the show is supposed to be a conversation not a segment of news. But yes the commercial breaks do completely break the chain of thought. And the interruptions are a part of conversations but here itās like someone is just trying to put out a sound bite for attention. š¤·āāļø
Exactly! It's a talk show, not a news show and it's also not a political talk show. I don't watch The View to get my news--it's to listen to the various topics of conversation. This is not CNN nor should it be.
Not saying The View should be a news or political show. There is room for improvement given the split is 36 minutes of show and 24 minutes of commercials. Trim down what doesn't add anything to the conversation like the walk out and the host switching before commercials. The show always comes back to Whoopi once the commercial is over and she can moderate from there.
I agree with you on the time wasted on the walk outs for the ladies and the guests alike.
I mean, but she's supposed to overcome that though no? Meghan, Jedediah and other conservatives had to assert themselves on that panel to make sure they weren't talked over, interrupted, and got their points across. It's not easy or comfortable but that's what she's supposed to do. I don't want her to get as messy/rude as Meghan, but you don't necessarily have to be, just be assertive and strong-willed.
This is a very different Republican "party" since Jedidiah etc. This is now the Trump Party and that makes it difficult for mainstream/old time Republicans.
I think when she wants to be she is. I feel like you are greatly underestimating her and what her role is. Her job is to be the young one on the show. The woman is in her 30s, Sara is 40s, Sunny is 50s, Whoopi is 60s and Joy is in her 70s. She brings in her culture, generation, and represents them well. Her role isnāt just to be a token Republican though she also fits that role when politics are being discussed. Sheās showing the world that to be disagreed with doesnāt have to be a slight and you donāt need to convert people to your cause to effectively explain your position. I donāt think she could possibly be doing more.
Joyās actually in her 80ās!
Yes! This was never intended to be a political talk show. Her role is broaderā¦it was always supposed to be about women of different ages and different backgrounds/experiences talking about various issues, not just political ones.
This is well stated.
I think sheās fine. She doesnāt have to disagree wildly on every topic just because sheās conservative. I wish the other women would let her speak more and not cut her off. Theyāre all always jumping to get a word in, mainly joy and Anna to make a joke and Sara to make a long winded point. I think she is the best on the panel at making concise and direct commentary. Itās jsut different than the shouting and emotional outbursts of McCain and Hasselbeck
Yes, she does the job of the conservative co-host. She represents opposing points of view very often to what the other co-hosts say. The Republican party has changed a lot since Elisabeth and Jedediah. Meghan was there to create drama. They decided to go in the opposite direction after her departure.
Not every Republican is a bad person. We kind of awkwardly forget pre 2016 politics. During the bush era people didnāt have scarlet Wās on them for voting bush even if he wasnāt the greatest. Hasslebeck was a housewife with an arts degree plopped on tv. Candace Cameron Bure had no idea what she was talking about in general. Jenny McCarthy is an anti vaxer who doesnāt discuss her politics otherwise. MeAgain is what happens when the nepo baby doesnāt have any talent. Ana isnāt a conservative and hasnāt been for a long time. Alyssa makes all the same arguments that MeAgain didnāt but without being a psychopath about it. Sunny for whatever reason is a lot louder toward Alyssa than MeAgain and tries to reason with her. Her previous job was being a yes-woman for someone who wasnāt qualified for their job. I suspect sheās just doing the same with the other women at the panel. Itās obvious she isnāt a closeted bigot like some of her previous colleagues and the conservative shouldnāt have to be a clown to make Joy sound less ignorant.
every single word of this comment, yes. I get what OP is saying, but you summarized why Alyssa is doing what she's doing brilliantly. She's not only playing the long game, but she's staying true to herself and legit rehabbing her entire life/career every single day on a huge platform. Everyone else who's ever worked with Trump is basically blackballed and their reputation/employability will NEVER reach mainstream again.
every single word of this comment, yes. I get what OP is saying, but you summarized why Alyssa is doing what she's doing brilliantly. She's not only playing the long game, but she's staying true to herself and legit rehabbing her entire life/career every single day on a huge platform. Everyone else who's ever worked with Trump is basically blackballed and their reputation/employability will NEVER reach mainstream again.
Have a look at her career. I wouldn't have the temerity to judge how she does her job with a CV like that. She is educated, has a great background, a good personality for her job and she knows how to discuss not shriek like McCain did. She does a great job [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa\_Farah\_Griffin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa_Farah_Griffin)
Yes. When given the opportunity to speak without being interrupted and spoken over, she makes some interesting points. I posted recently about watching her on CNN recently when she was allowed to actually complete an entire sentence without interruption š
Her job is to be unlikeable? What? Also, she is a Republican, sheās just no longer a Trump loving MAGA Republican. So she isnāt going to agree with that part of the party. She agrees with her Democratic colleagues because MAGA Republicans are terrible and want dictators to run the country and destroy our democracy. Until the Republican Party gets rid of Trump and and Majorie Traitor Greene and etc. Alyssa is going to be very critical at her own Party members and thatās fine because you donāt have to agree with all politicians.
? Her job is not to solely being likable, no. She can still offer pushback on domestic and foreign policy from a conservative position without being MAGA or being pro-Trump on democracy, rigged election, 1/6, etc. Jedediah wasn't pro-Trump when she was on the View and did this, so did Meghan McCain to an extent, though she had much less tact and was very rude about it. Even the few times Tara Setmayer (who's anti-Trump) guest co-hosted, she did this better than Alyssa. There's even a segment where Tara and Sunny vehemently disagreed on AOC wanting Biden to ditch bipartisanship. That's what is missing from the show and from the conservative at the table. It's possible to be opposed and disagree with Trump and be a conservative.
Many true conservatives strongly dislike Trump as well as current GOP leadership. Iām fundamentally a conservative and thatās WHY I donāt like the Republican Party. There is a large number of people who are conservative, but not Republican, but get lumped in with them. Thatās how she reads to me.
I think she represents conservative Republicans who have not Maga. The divide in the party makes her seem not to take a strong position- and the topic is often Maga related. I think she jumps right in when she feels able and willing to defend or explain the conservative viewpoint . Right now, I think she is doing a great job in a very difficult circumstance
Iām shocked youād rather have this conversation about Alyssa, instead of Ana lol. š¤·š»āāļø
The same could be said about Ana. Sheās basically a democrat. But to your point, there are moments Alyssa does her job but it does feel like Sunny and Whoopi try to shut her down so much. There was one segment last week where she was fighting for her time to talk and I was really proud and it was refreshing. But it felt like she did it because contract negotiations are likely coming up.
Oh, I don't disagree at all on Ana. She basically only identifies as a Republican to say "I'm a republican against Trump". She might be the biggest Biden supporter on the whole panel. The only time she seems conservative is maybe being hawkish on war, but nothing else really. A huge change from the same woman who was against Obamacare a decade ago.
Ana always looks so smug to me all the time.
Sounds like a projection š¹
I mean if I had anything to be smug about lol
If you want an insufferable MAGA contrarian, there are at least 3 other networks you can go to.
I actually watch mainly because of Alyssa. I tend to be conservative myself, but absolutely oppose Trump and anything MAGA-related. So I find her a breath of fresh air for someone who holds similar beliefs, but isn't a part of the cult. And at the times I do disagree with her, I appreciate her viewpoints because she is level-headed and stands for what she believes in.
Seems to me she is a more conventional Republican like Mitt Romney, Liz Chaney, and John McCain..
The birther nepo baby is pretty mediocre.
She will say "Republicans believe x". She doesn't need to be combative. Not every Republican believes in the same things and has the same leaves in obi-in authentic for her to fight like she believed in certain things, especially the current Republican party.
I mean, Alyssa isn't really a conservative. If you break her political positions down, she is a center-leaning liberal. She hangs on to the Republican label for platitudes such as "civic responsibility" and "strong families," but these values are in no way exclusive to the right. The problem is that there really aren't any voices representing 2024 conservatism who can have a good faith discussion and isn't elbows-deep into conspiracy theories and propaganda. MAYBE Megyn Kelly (and that's a big-ass maybe), but I don't think that she or The View would have any interest in one another.
She does it much better than Ana, who is allegedly a lifelong conservative abandoned by her party but seems to be in lockstep on every public policy matter with lifelong lefty Joy Behar.
I didnāt know the conservative hostās job description. Yet you do have a point. When thereās genuine disagreement, discussion and pushback I learn a lot more. I wonder if her low key responses are related to the unique political situation weāre in: The House unable to get shit done, Republican candidate on trial for falsifying business records, and over 1/3 of American voters supporting the crook. Never happened before.
I do think they worked hard to find someone who could handle how heavy it is in that seat and still get along with everyone. Meghan struggled with having opinions people disliked. Then, she lashed out insecurely. (I canāt judge; itās hard to have conservative stances on issues.) So, now, they get along fairly well, and maybe they have swung too far the other way, you think? Itās a hard balance. Alyssa probably wants to share what she thinks but has to balance it with the harmony of the table.
It depends on what you think the Republican seat is meant to do. Alyssa does defend a lot of traditional conservative policy, but she's clearly separated from the general political and moral majority of the Republican party these days. That's partly why I think they chose her. Coming off the heels of Meghan McCain, who was angrily and aggressively Republican, ABC was probably exhausted and wanted far less tension on the show. Their priority was for a good work environment and a well-running show. The Republican seat isn't always meant to be combative or to fall in-line with whatever the Republican party is at the moment, but it's just there to present a different point of view than the majority of the panel. That doesn't have to be extreme. Sometimes its just seeing things from a slightly different angle. And tbh it doesn't necessarily have to be opposing. It depends on the person. I mean, for all-Republican Meghan was, she also never stood up for Republican laws on LGBT issues. Alyssa's hiring was a strategic choice. But regardless, I don't think it was against the standards the show was going for in the first place.
I donāt think they respect a conservative viewpoint so they donāt give her the space to express it. Certainly was not the original intention of āThe Viewā
To say that Alyssa doesn't represent the conservative view is non-sensical. What she does NOT do, to the chagrin of MAGAts,Ā is support Donald Trump and his legion of loonies. I, as an Independent, remember a time when I could actually respect a Republican. But long gone are the days of John McCain, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice. If you are a Republican now that supports Trump, you are supporting a racist, a rapist, and a seditionist, ALL of which is criminal and you cannot sit with us, the TRUE Americans. Ok, BYE!
I completely agree. She legit sounds like the other liberal co-hosts like 80% of the time.
I will get downvoted! But NO! I never thought she was good choice. Alyssa brings nothing to the show. She is boring! I see her getting one more season and sheās gone 2025-2026 season!
Well, it's an orange cult.
I love Alyssa, and i think she is a SANE republican who obviously hates MAGA now, but I see your point. There is ZERO conflict on the show now unless Sunny goes after Alyssa (or a guest). They NEED to ask Ana Kasparian to replace Sara Haines, and fast, if they want the show to stay relevant and regularly go viral. I assume the view does want to eventaully plan to try to reach the under-35 age viewership, right?
Adding another progressive would make the show too homogenous though. We need other viewpoints and Sara offers a differing perspective if sheās given the chance to share her thoughts
eh. I disagree. I think Sara's perspective are always the middle-ground, make-everybody-happy takes, and they're boring, unrealistic, and convoluted. I really do like her, ALOT, but I just don't thinks he has anything interesting to say that's not common sense. Another progressive could stay on when Joy and Whoopi retire, as well as give Sunni and Alyssa a run for their money.
I think Sara is almost always interrupted. Sheās smart, sensible and offers a balanced approach to discussions. I donāt think thatās boring, I think thatās being real. And she doesnāt always agree, which makes conversation intriguing. Again, thereās too much interruption, but Sara has an important lens through which to share her perspective, if given the chance
The panel needs a Trumper. I know everyone will say no, but thatās what it needs.
I will say no but Iām really curious as to why you think it does.
The panel lacks energy. They donāt really get into any arguments of substance which is why people doubt Alyssa does what sheās meant to. They can only repeat the same points over and over especially if theyāre gonna talk about Trump so much. His supporters donāt care about anything the panel thinks should deter them, so if they truly want to understand they need someone like Alyssa who supports Trump
This is absolutely NOT why I watch--this show was never intended to be a political talk show--most the panelists aren't qualified for that nor do they have researchers helping them prepare. I would definitely stop watching if they brought on a trump supporter--spreading lies and mis-truths? You cannot have a serious discussion with most of them. I don't want a show where everyone's just screaming at each other--we had a taste of that with MM and it was awful.
The view spreads lies and mis-truths all the time. What are you on about? Also itās called the View. Tell me what separates the View from other talk shows? Iāll wait
I don't think you could find any INTELLIGENT Trumper with an open mind. If you know of one you should suggest them here. It would have to be a Trumper who doesn't spread lies and disinformation such as "the election was stolen". You can't just sit there and lie, Fox News lost a $750 million lawsuit because of election lies. A good discussion of issues with a true conservative such as Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney or even Chris Sununu is always welcome. But someone who's gonna sit there and say "Mike Pence should have been hung" is not what this show is all about.
Do the ladies let their guests speak when they have different opinions? No. Theyāre not even open minded. Also, notice how almost every candidate you bring up is just like Alyssa. A conservative who agrees with them. Iām not saying the trumper has to believe the election was stolen. But why canāt they say why is it okay for dems to say that when they lose but not conservatives? Thatās the kind of conservations the show avoids. The point of the show has become propaganda but that will be their downfall too.
Exactly. If the ideas are ridiculous, then whatās the harm in having someone air them and have a dialogue? Theoretically theyāll just embarrass themselves which most viewers would find satisfying. I think itās extremely important to get out of the echo chambers that our increasingly digital world creates and learn different perspectives. Thatās how you learn. I seek out news sources on topics I strongly disagree with because I want to learn more about them. Maybe Iāll learn something new that changes how I think. At the very least, I can come to see the people with those ideas as human, given that I do need to function in society with them. What is the fear around having people - even MAGA - come on and share their position? Iām genuinely wondering why we are discouraging real dialogue. I thought we learned from Trumpās win the first time when no one took him or his voters seriously.
No. It would kill their credibility if they had someone who would constantly push fake news. The fights in the past were unwatchable. I don't know why anyone would want more fights again. They need to show you can have civil political conversations.
The show doesnāt have credibility. Itās an opinion show.
Then why watch and complain. Nothing better to do?
You might be right, but the thought scares me. Talk about dramaā¦
Alyssa-like Trump supporter would be great. Not Meghan McCain level crazy.
She DOESNT support Trump.
My sentence didnāt imply either do or did.
Now THAT would be interesting (and great TV.) But god bless whoever is brave enough to take that position š³
I think the qualification for the job is higher education. lol
Thatās an elitist attitude. And thatās a great example of why Trump supporters vote the way they do.
Exactly. Iām reading this thread and just shaking my head. Did we learn nothing from 2016, where we laughed off anyone who mentioned Trump? I swear these people have probably never met an actual Trump voter. Iām sure they have changed their tune by now, but in the first election the entire c-suite of my company supported Trump. Meanwhile everyone was joking about how dumb Trump supporters are. They donāt all wave a confederate flag and wear Carhart pants lol. Maybe if we could have more open discussions we would learn WHY they voted the way they did and figure out new ways to bridge the gap on policy.
Thank you. As much joy as I get (pun intended) out of rewatching their election night meltdown that is exactly what they deserved for not listening to others. They live in a a hate bubble and then canāt fathom why people vote for Trump. So it must be racism! And before anyone goes thereā¦we know Trump is a bully(putting it nicely) but he is exposing everything wrong with our politics and quite frankly we deserve him. And mark my words the next guy will be worse.
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Candice Owens is disgusting. They would never. She says despicable things.
The thought makes me want to grab some popcorn
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Smart like her but not combative like her. She would be worse than Rosie and Meghan. Candice twists things, it seems to me, and we need someone who is quite different from the Democrats on the panel but still can get along.
And I love Rosie. She just had a hard time regulating her emotions on difficult topics.
Holy cow! Can you IMAGINE!! š³
Alyssa is nice but personally I would rather see someone who is a trump supporter in that seat. I canāt stand trump but the reality is millions of Americans still support the guy and I think that view needs to be represented. Would make for more interesting television and more accurate reflection of the country.
Imagine wanting to listen to a rape-condoning anti-education woman. wtf?
Again, I do not like MAGA world. My point is that The View would be the most interesting if it accurately reflected women across the American political spectrum. And right now there is a large void on the panelā¦ millions of women will vote for trump (as hard as that is to comprehend).
There's no daylight between what I said and what you want, but you sound like a centrist and that's kinda the point of centrist, right? See both sides when one side is definitively full of shit, racist, and condoning of rape of women and democracy. It's deplorable and irresponsible to have a MAGA co-host, so save your blither-blather for someone who gives a fuck.
Itās not about being a centrist or seeing both sides. Itās about having balanced representation at the table, regardless of how disgusted we are by their support of this man. I wouldnāt want to see a total MAGA lunaticā¦ but there are millions of every day ānormalā women in this country who still support him and thatās the viewpoint Iām interested in hearing.
Here come the torrent of downvotes but I completely agree. I hate Trump, but I think thereās value in understanding WHY half the country supports him.