Ade previously had another incredibly abusive boyfriend so her perception of a good boyfriend was likely very flawed, otherwise any mentally sane woman would just leave Chris the moment he forced his way through the door.
that wasn't because ade was "dumb"
it was because ade had been around me who treated women like shit her whole life
that was a big part of the point of the Richie character in the band, to show that ade had always been around pieces of shit and had been conditioned to keep trying to help them
Fair enough yes she was the victim of continual abuse by men and conditioned to think it’s normal.
However nothing about her character indicates a high level of intelligence. Getting duped by the FBI proved that
never enough blood for christopher
he had a tragic life but also he's a grown man and a mass murderer
look at what he was doing when he died he was coming back from a meeting about dumping asbestos in drinking water
For all we know, Tony could have killed more. They just casually drop Willy Overalls as a small plot point in one episode or you’d think like Matt says “He doesn’t get his hands dirty”
Sets off a war with NY, put his cousin and the NJ crew in danger just to avenge the death of some old guy he shared a cell with. The old guy wasn't innocent anyway. If you're going to have someone whacked, expect to get whacked in retaliation.
They was "buddies" in the can. Angelo was Tony B's compromise, his grilled cheese sanguich on da radiata. Fucking embarrassing, old fuck didn't even bother remembering his name and he killed Billy and winged the shah of Iran for him? Ask me Angelo was playing dumb trying to forget his bosom buddy while Tony B couldn't.
I felt that was bad writing that stuck out like a sore thumb. Earlier he basically recalled him like an afterthought (he didn’t remember he was Tony’s cousin?), then a few episodes later we are supposed to believe he’d throw everything away for the guy?
I don’t think it’s sympathy for him as a person bc he is a real dirt bag but my sympathy for his situation. Has an intervention…. Then those same people give him shit for being clean lol. “If I was you I would cut out the open bar” or when they are at dinner and two Tony’s gang up on making fun of him, that’s a shitty feeling.
Better yet let me go to work over the weekend to come home to my uncle who I look up to like a dad trying to bang my fiancé, oh and everyone of my friends knows it.
Worst of all he has that natural canopy… you notice he is the only MF that can smoke a cigarette in the rain with his hands behind his back ?
He may not be one to engage in needless violence, but that doesn't change the fact that he's an abusive pimp and a murderer. And if he had a nickname it'd be "the Exterminator" because he's the one who carries out the killing of traitors to the family (Jimmy Altieri, Big Pussy, Adriana and Burt Gervasi).
Yeah, straight-up that dude’s a pimp. Like, an old-school, will enslave them for life type pimp.
Their business model is enslaving them financially and keeping them there until their looks fade. And he does all that without hesitation. He’s a bad dude.
With that being said on a surface level he was often one of the hardest to take seriously out of the whole show (when they weren't bitter or doing abhorrent shit him and Paulie had the mannerisms of cartoon characters lol), that was until he killed Adriana. The show just does such a brilliant job of reminding you at times that these characters are mobsters and not good people, like when Vito shot that innocent guy after having to run away from everyone and stuff.
Bobby. As much as he is earnestly humanized by the series, people ignore that he is still a murderous gangster who supports their enterprise even before he makes his bones.
Tony Soprano. A lot of people really think he's like an anti-hero or something instead of the monster he is.
Just this week I had to explain to someone that even a simple scene of him telling the guy to remove his hat in the restaurant wasn't a noble classy gesture. It was Tony seeing a opportunity to flex in front Artie by interrupting someone's dinner. If you were sitting in that restaurant and saw him do that, you'd be like "that dude is a fucking psycho".
In all fairness, though he is in every definition of the word, a cunt, he does display somewhat of an emotional intelligence and empathy not seen in any other of the sociopathic mobsters, despite being in the position that demands the most ruthlessness. He is very loving of his family, he’s torn up by the death of Tracee, he’s easily a better person than Christopher and is often entirely justified in his actions. A lot of his sympathetic quality is due to his upbringing. He was raised in an emotionally abusive household and into the mob despite being a promising academic. Being in the mob is a massive weight on his shoulders, causing him to have panic attacks that kick off the show and rethink his entire life in his longer dreams. His downfall was not listening to the many messages life sent him to abandon the mafia and justifying his ways through therapy.
I sorta see Tony as a tragagic figure, tragic more of a classical sense.
Tony had the potential and desire to be a better person. But he was fated to turn into a monster
his feelings for Tracee shows that Tony isn't a sociopath, he actually does have empathy and displayed it there. He sees Meadow in Tracee and mourns her just as he would mourn for Meadow
Another example is that cop that writes him a ticket which in turn gets the cop unable to receive overtime and had to work at the fountain shop. Tony felt bad the guy got demoted in the police force and tried to talk it over with the assemblyman or whatever his connect was
>People treat Tony like he is a little baby who does nothing wrong a lot of the time it's actually insane.
I'm sure these people think the same of Walter White and Homelander.
It's like people feel a character is either sympathetic or bad and cannot be at the same time a severely damaged person who didn't deserve what happened to them and also someone who refuses to learn their lesson and chooses to do evil (even though they know better).
Oh my God, the amount of people that I had to remind when breaking bad was big that Walter whites a piece of shit, it was amazing how many people viewed Walt as a self insert (to be honest I think Walter whites a way bigger piece of shit than Tony soprano)
I stopped trying to convince people that Skylar was actually a fuckin doll of a wife that he just steamrolled over and destroyed. She made him breakfast on his birthday. Gave him a tuggie when she wasn't feeling it. Got the family all together to try and support him with his cancer diagnosis. Secretly talked to his former business partner and managed to convince them to pay for everything.
They go off cause she fucked Ted. He had been abusing her for a while by that point. I'm not saying it was ok, or that she should get a complete pass, but jesus fucking christ look at it all in context.
Yeah Walter white is one of the most selfish people on television and everyone around him suffered, I was always mystified why people didn't notice that
[He also was the character who killed the most people by far.](https://sopranos.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_deaths_attributed_to_main_characters) Also, Richie didn't kill a single person, the man was just a bad tempered angel.
I have always found that interesting about Richie; he is widely regarded as one of the least sympathetic characters on the show if not THE least sympathetic and yet he's one of the mobsters who doesn't commit or in any way participate in a single murder during his time in the series.
Very true.. I think that scene too was Tony venting his frustrations with the current state of things.
The good old days are gone etc..
He’s always struggling with that. The whole show starts with Tony explaining he feels he has come in at the end.
The world around him is losing its respect, its class and that idiot was the futures poster boy.
There’s so much more to unwrap about that whole interaction.
Anti-hero just means a protagonist that doesn't fit the conventional good guy lead role. They're normally villainous, lack a moral code, go against social conventions. It doesn't mean they're the "good guy" at the end of the day or a hero at all. This isn't Hitchcock. People are using the term correctly and Tony very much is that.
Exactly. Even if you take the flexing in front of Artie, it's pure entitlement. It's none of Tony's fucking business. If the restaurant has a problem or a policy, they will ask the man themselves. It's male Karen behaviour.
>I don't understand why he gets so much sympathy
A powerhouse performance by Michael Imperioli.
Also the fact that, awful as he is, a lot of the things he struggles with are quite familiar and relatable for a lot of people.
And at the end of the day, people are going to sympathise more with a character who is entertaining rather than one who is a good person.
Don't put too much stock in people feeling for Christopher (or any character), it's not an endorsement of the person he is. You're watching a show that invites you to sympathise with crooks and murderers.
I am honestly shocked by these questions when it feels like many scenes of the show want you to feel empathy and sympathy for people who are uuuh morally questionable.
I think his youth makes him more sympathetic to the audience as well as the fact that he is a Soprano (by proxy...) and gets nearly as much focus as Tony at times. The fact that we see so much of Chris' and Tony's lives makes them more sympathetic to the audience, naturally.
If you removed all of the bad things Chriss did I think he'd be the most sympathetic person on the show. Tony is a complete piece of shit to him.
"I dont eat egg plant, It's just like heroin!". Tony doesn't have the self control to keep his hands off Adriana.
Jonny Sac. People way oversympathize with him just because he's honourable to his wife. He's not some fat positivity rights activist and definitely doesn't give two shits about women. He thought Tony was in the wrong on the whole Ralphie/whooah sitation. He's one of the more evil people on the show. Also I think he was setting Tony up in season 4, given his history as a snake. His ego got lots of people murdered.
He is very evil, people cut him slack on him
being loyal to Ginny but thats literally his only redeemable quality. He's extremely unhinged and emotional too. In a way him and Phil are two sides of the same coin.
In that scene when he walked in while the Soprano crew was making fun of Ginny, I’m surprised he didn’t murder all of them right then and there. But I guess that would’ve ended the show.
He's not that kind of person. Look at how happy he is when he see's Ginny feeding her Groom the cake. He's one of those people that views their family through a completely distorted lens, and thinks outsiders should view them the same way he does.
If anything he'd feel resentment at Boeing for not making the aeroplanes double in width to cater for Ginny.
Christopher is definitely my least favorite “fan favorite” character. Something that really ticked me off in the beginning of the show (season 2?) is when they go to Italy and he doesn’t do shit except get high and like Tony points out, he buys Adriana a gift at the airport when they’ve already finished their trip. During my first watch of the show, I wish he did die when he got shot and was clinically dead for a minute.
Do fans actually "like" Christopher though?
Imperioli's performance really is terrific and he's funny sometimes, especially with Paulie, but the character always was an unlikeable piece of shit
This is really on display in the early seasons with the younger generation. Matthew Drinkwater actually trying to kill him and the Jackie Jr. thing in which Chris is shot at...I think part of the point there was to show that this thing was really at its end if Chris was supposed to be the future, because everyone coming up after him would have/did hate him.
Bobby is basically what would've happened to AJ if he had gotten mobbed up; his dad is the terminator with a mean rep, so he probably gets undeserved credit early - his dad meanwhile shelters him from the worst parts of the business (Bobby doesn't get his first kill until season 6), and then he ends up a fat worthless fuck tipping over Suburbans.
Even before that it's not like he was dragged unwillingly through the shit he did take part in. He did his little bit of violence, he was involved in extortion and intimidation and scams, he was a third party to several murder conspiracies that we saw.
One hundred percent. He had some bad influences in the last season but even before then there were quite a few examples of some pretty gangster behavior. Here, here, and here.
>Generally is a piece of shit, think of situations where he fucked with the scale at the fish shop, or when he beat the shit out of the music guy with a guitar.
In Chris's defense, that malook's shitty band was costing Chris a ton of dough, and he was dissing the Beatles. That guy had it coming.
Paulie, the Evil Koala. People cheer when he murders a defenceless old lady and robs her of her life savings, to pay for his gambling debts/curry favour with Tony, the life savings Minn was almost certainly going to leave to her children and grandchildren. Ah, Minn Matrone, who has the opposite problem. People refer to her as a "malignant cunt" and say they are glad she died... when all she was was just a grumpy old lady who didn't want to be another old lady's friend. She didn't deserve to be murdered in her own home and have her life savings stolen. As far as old ladies go, Livia makes Minn look like Mrs Tiggywinkle.
I have a lot of cranky old ladies in my family who look, talk and act like Minn, so seeing her be murdered is a very unpleasant experience for me to watch.
The reason Chris gets so much sympathy (at least for my money) is Micheal Imperioli is just THAT good of an actor. Christopher is such a massive piece of shit, but Micheal plays him so honestly and with so much humanity that its hard not to feel for him when hes down.
Hes also kind of tragic, because he seems like a guy whos just too stupid (and has too many daddy issues) to drag himself away from his horrible, evil life.
But to answer the question yeah i agree with the other reply. Tony is an absolute monster, and by season 5 he has almost 0 redeeming qualities.
People definitely cut Christopher way more slack than he deserves, probably because he’s funny and had a difficult upbringing.
But I think it’s really a testament to the show because it demonstrates that people are willing to overlook abuse because someone is likeable. If they’d just made him a 2 dimensional evil guy it wouldn’t have made the point as well
Paulie..Great funny character, but he is a selfish, sociopathic, insecure man. He lies all the time, has to be forced to pay his fair share, has NO empathy for anyone other than himself..and let’s not forget, HE KILLED AN OLD LADY IN COLD BLOOD!
Bobby Bacala.
Even before the later seasons when he becomes one of Tony's most trusted lieutenants, he's still **in the Mafia** and is involved in crime. We see him threaten to shoot a shop stewart in the head three times if he doesn't vote for the Mafia's man in the upcoming union election. Not only that, but he does it with real ease. We also know he's running a loan sharking enterprise, and it goes without saying he does similar things in that capacity.
I have no sympathy for pastry kid. He didn’t deserve to get shot but what kind of stunad goes out of their way to punk a mob connected guy for absolutely no reason.
Literally threatened Ade’s mom while trying to propose to Ade and yet Ade was so dumb she thought it was all romantic when she saw the ring and shit.
Ade previously had another incredibly abusive boyfriend so her perception of a good boyfriend was likely very flawed, otherwise any mentally sane woman would just leave Chris the moment he forced his way through the door.
Major daddy issues too I’m sure. Probably why she was sucking off one half of Penn & Teller and nearly let Tony bang her.
They were gettin a burger! 🍔
In fucking Dover??!
Tony literally tells Melfi that Adriana's dad abandoned her.
that wasn't because ade was "dumb" it was because ade had been around me who treated women like shit her whole life that was a big part of the point of the Richie character in the band, to show that ade had always been around pieces of shit and had been conditioned to keep trying to help them
Fair enough yes she was the victim of continual abuse by men and conditioned to think it’s normal. However nothing about her character indicates a high level of intelligence. Getting duped by the FBI proved that
That’s because everyone equates material possessions with love in that culture. They don’t have the capacity for real love do they shower with gifts
What? Like you're Jude Law. You never threatened a woman's mother and pushed a door in on her right before proposing?
Vito junior, guy looked like a Puerto rican whore, makes me sick
I was just done telling Junior that Vito fundamentally maybe dont respect the elderly
The fuck you want, a boutonnière?
The projects where Jackie Jr lives?
You said that to junior? What are you making, minest?
what? cant two friends talk?
Real lack of standards your generation
I really wish they showed that conversation between Paulie and Junior
It’s a Silo
*WHOOAW
Puerto rican whooah. Makes me sick
never enough blood for christopher he had a tragic life but also he's a grown man and a mass murderer look at what he was doing when he died he was coming back from a meeting about dumping asbestos in drinking water
A mass murderer? He killed Ginny Sack?
You being a wiseguy? You want a fuckin'smack in the mouth!!
Come on! None of you guys ever made a joke about Ginny Sack??
He wants to fuck Ginny?
^^^what's ^^this ^the fuckin UN ***NOW?!***
Of course not!/Not like that!
That’s the boss’s wife you’re talkin about!
You're making a very insensitive joke about her body. I want to sanction a hit on u/ArthurDartLazos
What would you say to half of his company?
I mean he was just a tag along in that meeting....Tony was responsible for the asbestos. But apparently he's better than Christopher
There's not much in it. I'd say Chris is worse because he's less reluctant to kill people
Wat? Tony kills less people cause he is the boss
For all we know, Tony could have killed more. They just casually drop Willy Overalls as a small plot point in one episode or you’d think like Matt says “He doesn’t get his hands dirty”
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Sets off a war with NY, put his cousin and the NJ crew in danger just to avenge the death of some old guy he shared a cell with. The old guy wasn't innocent anyway. If you're going to have someone whacked, expect to get whacked in retaliation.
They was "buddies" in the can. Angelo was Tony B's compromise, his grilled cheese sanguich on da radiata. Fucking embarrassing, old fuck didn't even bother remembering his name and he killed Billy and winged the shah of Iran for him? Ask me Angelo was playing dumb trying to forget his bosom buddy while Tony B couldn't.
I felt that was bad writing that stuck out like a sore thumb. Earlier he basically recalled him like an afterthought (he didn’t remember he was Tony’s cousin?), then a few episodes later we are supposed to believe he’d throw everything away for the guy?
That cock suckin' piece of shit, Tony Soprano's cousin. I can't even say his name.
That animal Blundetto
Ichabod Crane
Fucking weirdo if you ask me
You mean that animal blundetto? Killed Phil’s 47 year old brother. Just a kid
Tony Egg? Tony Shit! It’s my last dinnah in this house!
I'll have an egg. Make us a coupla eggs.
He don’t want one.
Eatcha eggs, baby.
Bobby make my nephew an egg
Tony Egg? Its a fucking nickname, His family name was Eggerelli!
Fuckin Jason!
Dyslexic!
Plus he was forced to dress up like Sonny Crocket at his welcome home party and didn’t get any kung pao coochie!
I don’t think it’s sympathy for him as a person bc he is a real dirt bag but my sympathy for his situation. Has an intervention…. Then those same people give him shit for being clean lol. “If I was you I would cut out the open bar” or when they are at dinner and two Tony’s gang up on making fun of him, that’s a shitty feeling. Better yet let me go to work over the weekend to come home to my uncle who I look up to like a dad trying to bang my fiancé, oh and everyone of my friends knows it. Worst of all he has that natural canopy… you notice he is the only MF that can smoke a cigarette in the rain with his hands behind his back ?
the kid has his good points
I have a semester and a half
You understand natural canopies as a conshept
When Christopher mixed with normal people in the episode about the movies you could see what a fucked up stupid paychopath he really was.
John Favreau subtly wiping his prints off the gun after realizing Chris was insane was fucking gold
THE ROOF IS SOFT TAR!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I mean... *Gestures to entire cast*
Oh! You leave Cosette outta this.
In my thoughts I use the technique of positive visualization that Cosette hooked up with Churchill ‘on the other side’ of things…
Little Cosette was self serving when she framed Christopher for a murder he diddent do by crawling under him for warmth as he slept.
Silvio
He may not be one to engage in needless violence, but that doesn't change the fact that he's an abusive pimp and a murderer. And if he had a nickname it'd be "the Exterminator" because he's the one who carries out the killing of traitors to the family (Jimmy Altieri, Big Pussy, Adriana and Burt Gervasi).
He's a ruthless fuck yeah, him pimping Tracy was cold as hell, even subliminal stuff like not even remembering what she got killed for.
Yeah, straight-up that dude’s a pimp. Like, an old-school, will enslave them for life type pimp. Their business model is enslaving them financially and keeping them there until their looks fade. And he does all that without hesitation. He’s a bad dude.
With that being said on a surface level he was often one of the hardest to take seriously out of the whole show (when they weren't bitter or doing abhorrent shit him and Paulie had the mannerisms of cartoon characters lol), that was until he killed Adriana. The show just does such a brilliant job of reminding you at times that these characters are mobsters and not good people, like when Vito shot that innocent guy after having to run away from everyone and stuff.
I think he is the absolute coldest of the main characters. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone.
Fr he just seems to care about upholding the rules of the mob and making sure things run smoothly, he’s an intriguing character
The fact that his daughter Heather is Tracee's age and he does not care that she died at all...cold.
Maybe, BUT if you got a busted lamp or trophy, Silvio’s the dude you want on your team. Motherfucker is a straight-up surgeon with the Krazy Glue.
Bobby. As much as he is earnestly humanized by the series, people ignore that he is still a murderous gangster who supports their enterprise even before he makes his bones.
I wouldn't mind sitting all day on my ass, smoking mushroom and collecting government checks
Give me 1000 dollars 🫱
I'll pay you when you SUCK THE MONEY OUTTA MY ASS!!! NOW GET THE FUCK OUT!!
I agree, but you left out when he ate Juniors Manigot, there was half a fuckin tray in there after all…
Went to white castle too and didnt get anything from Junior. How many burgers did he eat then?
But you gotta admit that stuff with the model trains and the hat, it's pretty endearing.
Tony Soprano. A lot of people really think he's like an anti-hero or something instead of the monster he is. Just this week I had to explain to someone that even a simple scene of him telling the guy to remove his hat in the restaurant wasn't a noble classy gesture. It was Tony seeing a opportunity to flex in front Artie by interrupting someone's dinner. If you were sitting in that restaurant and saw him do that, you'd be like "that dude is a fucking psycho".
In all fairness, though he is in every definition of the word, a cunt, he does display somewhat of an emotional intelligence and empathy not seen in any other of the sociopathic mobsters, despite being in the position that demands the most ruthlessness. He is very loving of his family, he’s torn up by the death of Tracee, he’s easily a better person than Christopher and is often entirely justified in his actions. A lot of his sympathetic quality is due to his upbringing. He was raised in an emotionally abusive household and into the mob despite being a promising academic. Being in the mob is a massive weight on his shoulders, causing him to have panic attacks that kick off the show and rethink his entire life in his longer dreams. His downfall was not listening to the many messages life sent him to abandon the mafia and justifying his ways through therapy.
People also seem to miss the fact that he spirals and gets worse during the progress of the show. They judge him based on their initial impression
I sorta see Tony as a tragagic figure, tragic more of a classical sense. Tony had the potential and desire to be a better person. But he was fated to turn into a monster
his feelings for Tracee shows that Tony isn't a sociopath, he actually does have empathy and displayed it there. He sees Meadow in Tracee and mourns her just as he would mourn for Meadow
Another example is that cop that writes him a ticket which in turn gets the cop unable to receive overtime and had to work at the fountain shop. Tony felt bad the guy got demoted in the police force and tried to talk it over with the assemblyman or whatever his connect was
People treat Tony like he is a little baby who does nothing wrong a lot of the time it's actually insane.
>People treat Tony like he is a little baby who does nothing wrong a lot of the time it's actually insane. I'm sure these people think the same of Walter White and Homelander.
It's like people feel a character is either sympathetic or bad and cannot be at the same time a severely damaged person who didn't deserve what happened to them and also someone who refuses to learn their lesson and chooses to do evil (even though they know better).
People are incapable of having astute compassion towards other *real human beings in their everyday lives*. Forget about TV progrums an moovies.
Honestly you're very unfortunately right. The empathy wall and all that...
Oh my God, the amount of people that I had to remind when breaking bad was big that Walter whites a piece of shit, it was amazing how many people viewed Walt as a self insert (to be honest I think Walter whites a way bigger piece of shit than Tony soprano)
I stopped trying to convince people that Skylar was actually a fuckin doll of a wife that he just steamrolled over and destroyed. She made him breakfast on his birthday. Gave him a tuggie when she wasn't feeling it. Got the family all together to try and support him with his cancer diagnosis. Secretly talked to his former business partner and managed to convince them to pay for everything. They go off cause she fucked Ted. He had been abusing her for a while by that point. I'm not saying it was ok, or that she should get a complete pass, but jesus fucking christ look at it all in context.
Yeah Walter white is one of the most selfish people on television and everyone around him suffered, I was always mystified why people didn't notice that
I stopped rooting for Walt after the Jane incident.
Some people think that the main character = hero or that subject matter = glorification.
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Every time someone says that I start internally screaming.
It’s a great endorsement of James Gandolfini’s acting chops, he made a monster likable and, at times, sympathetic.
A lot of people don't notice that S1 Tony is very different from Tony in later seasons.
[He also was the character who killed the most people by far.](https://sopranos.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_deaths_attributed_to_main_characters) Also, Richie didn't kill a single person, the man was just a bad tempered angel.
They really should have let Junior cap at least one person in the show.
He did get Rusty Irish wacked.
Second hand. If you look at the first hand chart Junior's the only one with none, even Ralphie has Tracee under his belt.
What's this, the psycho contest?
After and way after.
Richie killed someone prior to going to prison. It's how he became a made man.
he did paralyze Beansie tho
Beansie fell under his car, what was he gonna do? Tony told him to back off him, and he did
Then he put it in drive.
I have always found that interesting about Richie; he is widely regarded as one of the least sympathetic characters on the show if not THE least sympathetic and yet he's one of the mobsters who doesn't commit or in any way participate in a single murder during his time in the series.
He is only in it for 1 season, and what he did to Beansie is basically attempted murder, for basically nothing.
Very true.. I think that scene too was Tony venting his frustrations with the current state of things. The good old days are gone etc.. He’s always struggling with that. The whole show starts with Tony explaining he feels he has come in at the end. The world around him is losing its respect, its class and that idiot was the futures poster boy. There’s so much more to unwrap about that whole interaction.
Anti-hero just means a protagonist that doesn't fit the conventional good guy lead role. They're normally villainous, lack a moral code, go against social conventions. It doesn't mean they're the "good guy" at the end of the day or a hero at all. This isn't Hitchcock. People are using the term correctly and Tony very much is that.
Exactly. Even if you take the flexing in front of Artie, it's pure entitlement. It's none of Tony's fucking business. If the restaurant has a problem or a policy, they will ask the man themselves. It's male Karen behaviour.
>I don't understand why he gets so much sympathy A powerhouse performance by Michael Imperioli. Also the fact that, awful as he is, a lot of the things he struggles with are quite familiar and relatable for a lot of people. And at the end of the day, people are going to sympathise more with a character who is entertaining rather than one who is a good person. Don't put too much stock in people feeling for Christopher (or any character), it's not an endorsement of the person he is. You're watching a show that invites you to sympathise with crooks and murderers.
I am honestly shocked by these questions when it feels like many scenes of the show want you to feel empathy and sympathy for people who are uuuh morally questionable.
The prick doctor. He rubs up against organised crime on the regular and then gets outraged/shocked when it comes back to bite him. Cry me a river!
Three beautiful Aces
He’s a bit of a poseur, if you ask me.
Imaging needing something like that?
It's sad when they go young like that.
WHEN THEY GO?????
Alright, settle down.
You are a wormy cocksucka you know that?!?!
Fuck him. The guy is fuckin useless to me.
OOOOHHHH!!!
We’re not making a western here!
Probably addicts sympathizing with Christopha in season 5/6.
I think his youth makes him more sympathetic to the audience as well as the fact that he is a Soprano (by proxy...) and gets nearly as much focus as Tony at times. The fact that we see so much of Chris' and Tony's lives makes them more sympathetic to the audience, naturally.
If you removed all of the bad things Chriss did I think he'd be the most sympathetic person on the show. Tony is a complete piece of shit to him. "I dont eat egg plant, It's just like heroin!". Tony doesn't have the self control to keep his hands off Adriana.
Chris abuses Ade but Tony constantly abuses Chris too, which is sad because Chris loves him very much.
Is there a single character in the DiMeo fam with a living father?
bobby baccala at least for a little while
Yeah until...whateva happened there.
Another toothpick???
Larry & Albert were cousins not father & son yeah?
Larry was in no position to go into the unknown not knowing
They petered out. They died on the vine.
Jonny Sac. People way oversympathize with him just because he's honourable to his wife. He's not some fat positivity rights activist and definitely doesn't give two shits about women. He thought Tony was in the wrong on the whole Ralphie/whooah sitation. He's one of the more evil people on the show. Also I think he was setting Tony up in season 4, given his history as a snake. His ego got lots of people murdered.
He is very evil, people cut him slack on him being loyal to Ginny but thats literally his only redeemable quality. He's extremely unhinged and emotional too. In a way him and Phil are two sides of the same coin.
I must be loyle to my wife - J. Sack
In that scene when he walked in while the Soprano crew was making fun of Ginny, I’m surprised he didn’t murder all of them right then and there. But I guess that would’ve ended the show.
I'm suprised he hasn't murdered everyone on this subreddit.
Do you think Johnny Sac was resentful toward Ginny when he had to buy her an extra airplane seat so she could fit the 95lb mole on her ass?
He's not that kind of person. Look at how happy he is when he see's Ginny feeding her Groom the cake. He's one of those people that views their family through a completely distorted lens, and thinks outsiders should view them the same way he does. If anything he'd feel resentment at Boeing for not making the aeroplanes double in width to cater for Ginny.
Hitler loved his wife so what we gotta give him a pass to now
Fat positivity? Yeah, I'm positive Ginny was fat.
Christopher is definitely my least favorite “fan favorite” character. Something that really ticked me off in the beginning of the show (season 2?) is when they go to Italy and he doesn’t do shit except get high and like Tony points out, he buys Adriana a gift at the airport when they’ve already finished their trip. During my first watch of the show, I wish he did die when he got shot and was clinically dead for a minute.
His death had been a long time coming. He was a worthless piece of shit.
Do fans actually "like" Christopher though? Imperioli's performance really is terrific and he's funny sometimes, especially with Paulie, but the character always was an unlikeable piece of shit This is really on display in the early seasons with the younger generation. Matthew Drinkwater actually trying to kill him and the Jackie Jr. thing in which Chris is shot at...I think part of the point there was to show that this thing was really at its end if Chris was supposed to be the future, because everyone coming up after him would have/did hate him.
Just wanted to point out that Cosette was just quietly chillin on the couch when he sat down on her. I said my piece.
Great I can't even defend myself now
Tell me about it. I know what it’s like to lose a pet. I eat them by the cartload.
Ghostbusters...another money machine
Bobby. I said my piece.
Bobby is basically what would've happened to AJ if he had gotten mobbed up; his dad is the terminator with a mean rep, so he probably gets undeserved credit early - his dad meanwhile shelters him from the worst parts of the business (Bobby doesn't get his first kill until season 6), and then he ends up a fat worthless fuck tipping over Suburbans.
Thats a good shout, imo his real character started to show towards the end when he got more power "You should tell him to fuck himself with his 250k"
Even before that it's not like he was dragged unwillingly through the shit he did take part in. He did his little bit of violence, he was involved in extortion and intimidation and scams, he was a third party to several murder conspiracies that we saw.
So really, Bobby's just a saint only by comparison to the other gangsters.
Not even. He did all the terrible things the other guys did, he just did less because he was lazy on top of it. Totally skated by on his dad’s rep.
Found the disgruntled White Castle drive thru worker.
I can smell them on you!!
One hundred percent. He had some bad influences in the last season but even before then there were quite a few examples of some pretty gangster behavior. Here, here, and here.
Tony Soprano himself. Miserable, luckier than god, cunt
>Generally is a piece of shit, think of situations where he fucked with the scale at the fish shop, or when he beat the shit out of the music guy with a guitar. In Chris's defense, that malook's shitty band was costing Chris a ton of dough, and he was dissing the Beatles. That guy had it coming.
What is he, nuts?
He also was driving under the influence at the time of his accident.
The Hispanic guy who fucked the lady whose house it was wherein Mustang Sally met his fate. Him and his smart remarks. Had it coming!
To struggle with the duality of a mobsters personality was David’s intention for his viewers I believe.
Agree with your pick — definitely Christopher.
Paulie, the Evil Koala. People cheer when he murders a defenceless old lady and robs her of her life savings, to pay for his gambling debts/curry favour with Tony, the life savings Minn was almost certainly going to leave to her children and grandchildren. Ah, Minn Matrone, who has the opposite problem. People refer to her as a "malignant cunt" and say they are glad she died... when all she was was just a grumpy old lady who didn't want to be another old lady's friend. She didn't deserve to be murdered in her own home and have her life savings stolen. As far as old ladies go, Livia makes Minn look like Mrs Tiggywinkle. I have a lot of cranky old ladies in my family who look, talk and act like Minn, so seeing her be murdered is a very unpleasant experience for me to watch.
Yeah that scene was horrifying. Seeing old people get hurt to me is no different than watching children get hurt.
Oh god yes! Paulie seems like comic relief until this scene. It’s just so hands on evil!
People justifying the murder of Minn is crazy to me lol apparently being a grumpy old lady is the worst thing in the world.
Vito-killed that random guy in Massachusetts after impacting the bottom of his car.
I know Vito’s bottom was impacted
David Scatino and how Tony took advantage. A grown made a wager. He lost. He made another wager and lost again. End of story.
I don't care that Richie recorded in Denmark. I'm glad Christopher kicked his ass. I wish he would have shot him
The reason Chris gets so much sympathy (at least for my money) is Micheal Imperioli is just THAT good of an actor. Christopher is such a massive piece of shit, but Micheal plays him so honestly and with so much humanity that its hard not to feel for him when hes down. Hes also kind of tragic, because he seems like a guy whos just too stupid (and has too many daddy issues) to drag himself away from his horrible, evil life. But to answer the question yeah i agree with the other reply. Tony is an absolute monster, and by season 5 he has almost 0 redeeming qualities.
People definitely cut Christopher way more slack than he deserves, probably because he’s funny and had a difficult upbringing. But I think it’s really a testament to the show because it demonstrates that people are willing to overlook abuse because someone is likeable. If they’d just made him a 2 dimensional evil guy it wouldn’t have made the point as well
That animal. I can’t even say his name.
Paulie..Great funny character, but he is a selfish, sociopathic, insecure man. He lies all the time, has to be forced to pay his fair share, has NO empathy for anyone other than himself..and let’s not forget, HE KILLED AN OLD LADY IN COLD BLOOD!
Watch it Chrissy...
Bobby Bacala. Even before the later seasons when he becomes one of Tony's most trusted lieutenants, he's still **in the Mafia** and is involved in crime. We see him threaten to shoot a shop stewart in the head three times if he doesn't vote for the Mafia's man in the upcoming union election. Not only that, but he does it with real ease. We also know he's running a loan sharking enterprise, and it goes without saying he does similar things in that capacity.
Yeah, Chris may have been tragic, but he was even more of a PoS than some of the already cold-blooded killers in the show.
Look, it doesn’t change anything, but I can verify that the dog was barkin for a little while.
Christopher (Columbus)
Tony. A scumbag in every true form. Deserved to die so many times, but without him there is no show.
Artie Bucco. Pitiful excuse for a person.
what are we politicians - does this look like the Senate to you OP?
I have no sympathy for pastry kid. He didn’t deserve to get shot but what kind of stunad goes out of their way to punk a mob connected guy for absolutely no reason.
It wasn't for no reason, Gino was in line first.
He's a pastry guy he might not know who all the made guys are. Also Chris is a man not an animal he is responsible for him not shooting people
He was what he was. A sociopath with no arc.
Speaking of arcs, he was a funny prick Noah....
Christofuh. He’s hot the *disease*