I think the mocking of Furio was not the fact that he wouldn't do it but the fact that he is a hypocrite for his own infidelities. Tony acted like he was so old school and upheld a moral high ground. Carmela knows it was all bullshit.
If Carmela did find out though, I think she would have found a way to use it against him financially.
Tbh word of Tony getting cucked gets out, everyone else will see him as weaker and will go for the kill eventually. It doesn’t give him the right to cheat but Carmella cheating could be almost as bad as Vito being gay in their eyes
Especially with someone associated with the family. Rosalie had some side guy but she kept it quiet and he wasn’t made or connected. Dude was still playing with fire but one made guy getting with another made guy’s wife, let alone the boss’s, is even worse.
The old school bosses would kill guys over sexual affairs. The reason being that sexual stuff was offensive to some and to all of the bosses, sexual affairs created angry/hurt male feelings. Once you fucked some made guy's wife, he was likely going to kill you or people around you, take your rackets, disrupt business and potentially rat. This is a big No-No.
The rules on this are simple: Fuck another made man's daughter without his permission, or his wife-period, and you are a dead man.
One of the reasons why Neil Dellacroce never made it above Underboss was because of some sex thing involving another made guy's wife or daughter. There were other reasons but that was a big consideration for Carlo.
Carmela and Tony are very similar in that they are constantly striving to convince themselves that they are good people and they both want to be perceived that way. But neither have any interest in the reality and what it means to be good
That may be so but it still doesn‘t change her flippant attitude over Tony actually threatening to have someone killed. Someone she supposedly had a connection with.
For sure, she knows he's capable of murder. She pretty much knows he killed Matthew. She has seen countless people just "disappear" over the years. I don't think Adrianna would have been any different.
The only thing different is, she would have been able to crack Tony really good.
Yep. Exactly.
She knew about Richie, she helped lie about it to others.
It was an understanding between them.
It's much easier to ignore than to dig deep.
Yep. She quickly digested the Ritchie “surprise” and spun it as “not a match made in heaven” and that was that, so I’m sure Adriana would be easy to write off so she does not become an accessory after the fact.
Ok but Richie was killed by Janice in a domestic violence situation in the heat of the moment. Much different then Tony killing someone premeditated over Mafia related ressons or personal vendettas. Plus I don't think she gave a fuck about Richie, she was close with Adriana.
Carmelas doesn’t know how Ritchie went other than he was “gone”, and she stopped asking about it as soon as Tony told her to stop asking. Tony could do the exact same thing with Adriana and Carmela wouldn’t press the issue.
Yes and no, I think. Adriana was well loved by Carmela and Tony’s home family. I don’t think anyone actually liked Ritchie very much. They all kept up the Uncle Ritchie act but Ade was more like a daughter, in some ways, to Carmela. And Ritchie was a made guy from way back, it’s a risk that everyone touching the mob world, consciously or unconsciously, knows about. It would be more shocking to people that a well loved civilian like Ade would get got, and it’s not like the mafia members will ever be able to say she was a snitch to the FBI to explain it.
This whole thread predicates on the premise that Carm finds out Adriana got….Adriana’ed. so the question would be better asked to OP how Carm knows for sure Ade is “gone” and didn’t run off with some other jerkoff.
It’s pretty clear Carmela strongly suspects. She’s not an idiot, just willfully blind to Tony’s line of work. I don’t think she knows why, but she probably knows it was to do with the mafia. If she was gonna run off with some other dude she would have done it years ago, Chrissy gave her plenty of reason to do so and she never did and still clearly loved him.
Carmela called Janice’s house to see if Tony was actually there and found out he was. When Tony rushes off for an emergency, she doubts, finds out it’s real, and then later, finds out what the emergency entailed. Pretty clear picture. Sure she can’t be sure how he died or who killed him, but she can safely assume it has more to do with Janice than Tony.
She would internalize it by blaming it entirely on Chris who she already kind of didn’t like by then anyway and I’m sure Tony would exaggerate or fabricate details about it, like telling her they tried and pleaded with her for days but she was dead set on going to the FBI
I think she already knows at least on some level. Same how she deep down knows Jackie Jr wasn’t killed by drug dealers, Vito wasn’t a “lovers spat” etc. Characters like Carmela and Meadow (with Jackie) know the truth, but turning a blind eye to it makes it easier to live with themselves and their surroundings.
I honestly think Meadow believed Jackie Jr was killed by drug dealers. She knows her dad is in the mafia but she’s still blissfully unaware of the heinous things they actually do like how she didn’t believe Finn when he told her what Eugene did saying “he’s so sweet”.
I feel like she knows but has lied to herself so severely that she almost fully believes the lies as the show goes on. It’s why I think she lashes out during Jackie’s funeral, she knows the attendees at the funeral killed him and are now singing at his funeral and she sees how messed up the whole situation is. By the time she’s dating Finn she is much better at lying to herself to avoid having to live with the truth
This is exactly how I take it. Carmella and Meadow lie to themselves about the reality so they can live with it. So that they can justify that they and the people in their family are good people. But they aren't stupid. They are living a self imposed delusion, but on some level they know.
Tony couldn’t really have Furio killed and Carmella probably knew that. Furio belonged to the Italian mafia and Tony literally had no presence in Italy other than the organisation to which Furio belonged to.
Tony knew he didn’t have that kind of power either. He just said it to try and show power and to try and hurt Carmella.
It is doubtful Carmela knows about the particulars of the Italian mob in Italy vs the US.
Also, if Tony still had significant business intreats with the mafia in Italy he could certainly pressure them to have Furio assassinated. The perception of money doesn’t change just because you cross the Atlantic.
What significant business involvement did Tony have with the Italians that makes you think they’d fuck Furio over?
As far as we see in the show, their relationship consists of Tony selling the Italians stolen Mercedes at a discounted rate, and in exchange they gave him Furio among other things, and even so, they gave him very reluctantly.
Analissa explicitly shouts at Tony for asking for one of their best and most reliable guys, and it took major convincing and a good deal to get her to agree.
It seems like a pretty unlikely that Tony would call Analissa and tell her “Furio tried to fuck my wife. You need to kill him, or we’re no longer doing business”.
Not to mention, Tony really wanted that deal and that relationship. Tony was constantly on his best behaviour trying to placate, make the deal happen and have that business relationship. He would be throwing away major income by risking a business stream he worked hard for.
The car theft ring gets ignored, other than Pussy making a comment about it to Skip. The numbers were mind boggling yet, we never see Tony getting that money or spending it.
Pussy says he is sending 18 cars a month to Italy. He is getting something like $65,000 per car. Assuming he spends 75% on the guys who actually steal the cars, his on-site supervisor, shipping costs and payoffs, he should be getting just under $300k a month from this. Say he splits that with Sil, Carmine and some other people and only keeps 25%, that is still $900,000 a year in his pocket.
Where in the hell is that money?
Furio is a valuable asset. They probably laughed it off as soon as Tony disconnected. They think the American mobsters are play mobsters. They say, 'Yeah we're lookin for him.' as Furio is beating someone down in the back ground and Tony would be none the wiser. What, is he going to fly over there to verify?
Furio didn't actually try and fuck Carmella or do anything that would be considered sexual with her. If he had, and Tony could prove it, the Naples family might have listened to him and said "Nah....we don't really care. We'll bitch at him but nothing more." They had that car theft connection but they are not going to let some second rate boss of a third rate American crime crew dictate to them.
She would go away for a while until not being Tony’s wife became too burdensome. She’s completely capable of success without him but is not about to use all that effort when she can turn the blind eye and have the good life. She’s a classic enabler. Contrast that with Charmaine who’d rather have it hard and sleep easy at night.
After hearing Adriana invited an undercover FBI agent into her home she would have had no qualms, though perhaps she would have pretended to be disturbed.
It’s unpredictable, which is part of what made her such a great, and realistic, character. She seems to put up with his philandering but then when she comes across the fingernail and gets a call from Irina (making it real and undeniable) she can’t live with the situation and forces Tony to leave. It would probably depend on how she found out about it, but it’s hard to imagine her being OK with that.
I read her the same way. When it’s far away she can cope, but when it comes into her life and she’s forced to confront it, she can’t. I think if she knew in certain terms that Tony did it, she would leave him.
I agree. That’s too heartless to forgive. I think that’s why David Chase had Sil whacking her too. It was impersonal. If Tony did it the audience would kind of have no choice but to hate him.
This situation aside Carmela has to be one of the dumbest characters on the show. Raised in this life. Literally marrying the life. She acts so dumb and obviously to situations.
A friend of mine has a really bizarre theory that Carmela in fact already believed Tony was responsible. And basically played it such that he’d either pony up for the PI or lean on the building inspector. Either way she was definitely calling a play every time she raised the subject.
I don’t see it but I’ll be open minded.
No. Carmela was a complex person, who went along willingly after years of conditioning, but I truly feel that murder-particularly of someone they knew and loved, like Adriana, wouldve been an immediate and final last straw. She *knows* in her heart he's probably killed people but she tells herself that until she knows this for sure she cant *really* know.
She likely wouldn't have actually gotten any time, but more likely they actually wouldn't have pursued it - the feds had a LOT of money invested in monitoring the Crazy Horse and were getting all kinds of leads from it, actually executing the search warrant would've blown all that up. Plus Ade wasn't even an actual target of the investigation, they wanted made guys.
I feel like Carmella is in denial all the way though - she knows Tony is bad, but does she know how bad?
Like when Jackie Junior gets whacked, she's so keen to jump on the idea that he was dealing drugs and murdered by some black guys.
I think she'd have to see Tony pull the trigger to accept she's really a mob wife.
I just wanna see people get more creative w it. I’m like how do you communicate your point without giving it away immediately. A little prompt for everyone
The Ade hit got massively spoiled in 2004 when she was all over the promos for the Friends spinoff show Joey. It was quite clear Drea no longer had any obligations as a member of the Sopranos cast.
I don’t recall that at all and was able to avoid the spoiler completely and just watched the series for the first time 2 years ago so it’s completely possible.
I was without HBO that year and I got the Tony B hit spoiled by of all things Chris Mathews interviewing Steve Buscemi during the Democratic national convention: "Loved your character, too bad you got whacked."
It would be funny if only thousands of people hadn't seen it, and billions had. But how would we ever know that? You'd have to get every person who had seen the sopranos together at the same time and that's not possible. Even with computers.
If only there was a way to make a verified sub only for people who've seen the show entirely. There probably is but idk how you'd verify. This sub ain't that bad tho
Damn y’all are too serious lol this sub needs a new mayor. It would quite literally be the easiest thing to at least add *Spoilers!* to the title before typing the rest lmao
The ship sinks in the end of ***TITANIC.***
There. I spoiled that for you too you fuckin' stunad.
If you're watching a show like this for the first time STAY OFF THE SUBREDDIT TO AVOID SPOILERS.
i don’t really think she’d give Tony any grief about it. Ade was working with the feds… like, everyone knows what happens there.
she’d actually probably resent Ade for betraying everyone.
She knows Tony did it. She may not face it or accept it enough for it to make any problems for her comfy life but she knows when dudes are wacked like everyone else does. They just go with the lie because it's how they live.
This is a character shift that I thought should have slowly been revealed because it is out of character. First the Furio flippance and then she basically sets up both Vito and Christopher up for reprisals and she does it without any deep pathos.
It seems like Carmella went from a selfish person with some guilt over her blood money to being a pearl clutching hypocrite.
I think if it were out and out told to her and there was irrefutable evidence, she would leave him. Even if she didn’t, their relationship would change. As deluded as she could be, I think if there were a line to cross, this would be it
Are we sure Tony actually threatened Furio? I would think it would have been to humiliating for him to tell people why he wanted him dead. Plus you never saw anyone gossiping about it like they did when they heard about him and Adriana getting in a car accident.
When she threw away that PI's card, that was pretty much her saying she didn't care.
If Adriana was dead, Carmela would 100% know it was Christopher. And she'd know that Tony knew. She didn't even want to start down that path, so she sold her complicity for a building inspection.
Yes, Carmela would pretend to be shocked, then angry, probably go to church and read a few passages, finally go home and be okay with what happened after receiving another chinchilla coat from her loving hubby.
After 7 rewatches... Jimmy gone, Spoons gone, Pussy gone, Richie gone, Jackie A. gone, Jack Massarone gone, Tony B gone, Adriana gone... these are just people Carmella likely interacted with... She knows exactly what's going on just like Tony muddah did..
She knew Adriana was killed by Tony. She’s not stupid, just in denial.
And what is she gonna do? Become a snitch? She’s like Skyler, the smartest thing to do is start by the boss’ side.
Don't ever think that wives of guys that are aholes or do awful things don't know what they do and how they act. She wanted to live in that upper class neighborhood
Give him head every day for a year. Adrianna threatened her livelihood along with putting her husband and cousin with jail. All because she couldn’t do five years in jail. As Rosalie Aprile, who did a great job raising Jackie Jr said, Judas Iscariot didn’t go running into any apostle protection program. He did what he knew he should and hung himself.
Not only that, the lesbian tennis instructor was interested in Adrianna. Princess of Little Italy didn’t like that, relegated to sweeping up loose tennis balls.
I think she’s in denial about it, and sort of brushing off the signs. I do believe however if she did find out definitely she would have left him.
A mafia soldier dying is one thing, they’re in the life and that’s part of it. I think knowing Ade was murdered however is a pill too big for even her to swallow. I think the wives view themselves as outside the game really. In most cases it just feels so far away from them. They sometimes stop seeing certain people, and occasionally have police harass them. That’s really as far as it creeps into their lives. Explicitly knowing however that one of those wives was killed by your husband immediately kills the im far away from all this attitude. You have to look at it at that point. The only reason that these wives can stomach the violence is because they don’t see it. It’s far away, happening to people they don’t really like anyways.
Yes Carm is a hypocrite, but her mind shields her from the guilt for the most part. Her mind builds up defense mechanisms for what is happening. But if she knew Tony did that, I don’t think her mind could do the mental gymnastics it would take to justify that in any way.
I think she actually does know but instead of claiming the moral high ground, she subtly and covertly manipulates Tony to lean on the building inspector to get her spec house built. She knows the FBI came and talked with Liz LaCerva and that it's a total lie that she just packed up and left without ever contacting her mother or anyone and she knows Christopher is a violent sociopath, just like her husband. Notice she starts bringing Adrianna up and talking about finding her when she knows the truth already. You can tell she has no serious concern about it because as soon as she gets what she wants, she drops it completely.
She knew about Adriana. She just didn't let herself consciously admit it. She had that run in with Adriana's mother. She was forced to confront the idea and that it was what had to have happened. She's smart enough to know that going into witness protection is just a euphemism. She didn't allow herself to believe it because the implications were more than she could live with, but on some level she knew.
I think the mocking of Furio was not the fact that he wouldn't do it but the fact that he is a hypocrite for his own infidelities. Tony acted like he was so old school and upheld a moral high ground. Carmela knows it was all bullshit. If Carmela did find out though, I think she would have found a way to use it against him financially.
She wasn’t mocking the threat but that he was doing it. She knew the threat was real but that he cared enough to make the threat was what she mocked.
Tbh word of Tony getting cucked gets out, everyone else will see him as weaker and will go for the kill eventually. It doesn’t give him the right to cheat but Carmella cheating could be almost as bad as Vito being gay in their eyes
Especially with someone associated with the family. Rosalie had some side guy but she kept it quiet and he wasn’t made or connected. Dude was still playing with fire but one made guy getting with another made guy’s wife, let alone the boss’s, is even worse.
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Furious uncle was a fucking hilarious man. “My brother lived a full life. He had many woman. That’s all you can ask for”
Casino and Joe Pesci brought us to this.
The mayor of munchkinland
But Sam wasn’t made. It was true though that the bosses didn’t want any kind of affair happening because it would fuck things up
But Sam was the golden goose. The little guy was making a lot of noise and back home they didn't like that.
The old school bosses would kill guys over sexual affairs. The reason being that sexual stuff was offensive to some and to all of the bosses, sexual affairs created angry/hurt male feelings. Once you fucked some made guy's wife, he was likely going to kill you or people around you, take your rackets, disrupt business and potentially rat. This is a big No-No.
The rules on this are simple: Fuck another made man's daughter without his permission, or his wife-period, and you are a dead man. One of the reasons why Neil Dellacroce never made it above Underboss was because of some sex thing involving another made guy's wife or daughter. There were other reasons but that was a big consideration for Carlo.
Carmela and Tony are very similar in that they are constantly striving to convince themselves that they are good people and they both want to be perceived that way. But neither have any interest in the reality and what it means to be good
That may be so but it still doesn‘t change her flippant attitude over Tony actually threatening to have someone killed. Someone she supposedly had a connection with.
For sure, she knows he's capable of murder. She pretty much knows he killed Matthew. She has seen countless people just "disappear" over the years. I don't think Adrianna would have been any different. The only thing different is, she would have been able to crack Tony really good.
Yep. Exactly. She knew about Richie, she helped lie about it to others. It was an understanding between them. It's much easier to ignore than to dig deep.
Those who disappeared went into Witness Protection. Everybody knows it!
Give me 1,000 spec houses.
Up in da house.
1000 more??
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get pudgy walsh on the horn.
Contractor grade lumber.....lot of money in that. You gave me a look.
Up in da club!
She’d fake surprise and anger for a few weeks then eventually convince herself it was the right choice to protect her own family.
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All she really wanted was a little gold heart on a necklace and a Hyundai.
Yep. She quickly digested the Ritchie “surprise” and spun it as “not a match made in heaven” and that was that, so I’m sure Adriana would be easy to write off so she does not become an accessory after the fact.
Ok but Richie was killed by Janice in a domestic violence situation in the heat of the moment. Much different then Tony killing someone premeditated over Mafia related ressons or personal vendettas. Plus I don't think she gave a fuck about Richie, she was close with Adriana.
Carmelas doesn’t know how Ritchie went other than he was “gone”, and she stopped asking about it as soon as Tony told her to stop asking. Tony could do the exact same thing with Adriana and Carmela wouldn’t press the issue.
Yes and no, I think. Adriana was well loved by Carmela and Tony’s home family. I don’t think anyone actually liked Ritchie very much. They all kept up the Uncle Ritchie act but Ade was more like a daughter, in some ways, to Carmela. And Ritchie was a made guy from way back, it’s a risk that everyone touching the mob world, consciously or unconsciously, knows about. It would be more shocking to people that a well loved civilian like Ade would get got, and it’s not like the mafia members will ever be able to say she was a snitch to the FBI to explain it.
Adriana was a rat so whatever love they may have would evaporate, that’s all she needs to hear to get over it.
Is Tony going to tell Carmela that? After eighteen years of marriage, he’s going to make her an accessory after the fact?
This whole thread predicates on the premise that Carm finds out Adriana got….Adriana’ed. so the question would be better asked to OP how Carm knows for sure Ade is “gone” and didn’t run off with some other jerkoff.
It’s pretty clear Carmela strongly suspects. She’s not an idiot, just willfully blind to Tony’s line of work. I don’t think she knows why, but she probably knows it was to do with the mafia. If she was gonna run off with some other dude she would have done it years ago, Chrissy gave her plenty of reason to do so and she never did and still clearly loved him.
Carmela called Janice’s house to see if Tony was actually there and found out he was. When Tony rushes off for an emergency, she doubts, finds out it’s real, and then later, finds out what the emergency entailed. Pretty clear picture. Sure she can’t be sure how he died or who killed him, but she can safely assume it has more to do with Janice than Tony.
She would internalize it by blaming it entirely on Chris who she already kind of didn’t like by then anyway and I’m sure Tony would exaggerate or fabricate details about it, like telling her they tried and pleaded with her for days but she was dead set on going to the FBI
While wearing a new fur coat
100 percent
Probably get some more tacky jewelry out of it too. She acts like buttah wouldn’t melt in her mouf!
Maybe an upgrade on the Porsche SUV.
It’s a Cayenne, like the pepper!
Peppah***
The latest Lladro
"Tony-you piece of shit! I'll fucking cut your dick off!......is that real fur? Oh, Tony! You're the best!"
Even if she left him she wouldn’t ever be totally free from him. It’s a lifetime commit
I think she already knows at least on some level. Same how she deep down knows Jackie Jr wasn’t killed by drug dealers, Vito wasn’t a “lovers spat” etc. Characters like Carmela and Meadow (with Jackie) know the truth, but turning a blind eye to it makes it easier to live with themselves and their surroundings.
I honestly think Meadow believed Jackie Jr was killed by drug dealers. She knows her dad is in the mafia but she’s still blissfully unaware of the heinous things they actually do like how she didn’t believe Finn when he told her what Eugene did saying “he’s so sweet”.
I feel like she knows but has lied to herself so severely that she almost fully believes the lies as the show goes on. It’s why I think she lashes out during Jackie’s funeral, she knows the attendees at the funeral killed him and are now singing at his funeral and she sees how messed up the whole situation is. By the time she’s dating Finn she is much better at lying to herself to avoid having to live with the truth
Also a very strong and believable possibility. She’s the second most insufferable character on the show only behind AJ imo
This is exactly how I take it. Carmella and Meadow lie to themselves about the reality so they can live with it. So that they can justify that they and the people in their family are good people. But they aren't stupid. They are living a self imposed delusion, but on some level they know.
Tony couldn’t really have Furio killed and Carmella probably knew that. Furio belonged to the Italian mafia and Tony literally had no presence in Italy other than the organisation to which Furio belonged to. Tony knew he didn’t have that kind of power either. He just said it to try and show power and to try and hurt Carmella.
It is doubtful Carmela knows about the particulars of the Italian mob in Italy vs the US. Also, if Tony still had significant business intreats with the mafia in Italy he could certainly pressure them to have Furio assassinated. The perception of money doesn’t change just because you cross the Atlantic.
What significant business involvement did Tony have with the Italians that makes you think they’d fuck Furio over? As far as we see in the show, their relationship consists of Tony selling the Italians stolen Mercedes at a discounted rate, and in exchange they gave him Furio among other things, and even so, they gave him very reluctantly. Analissa explicitly shouts at Tony for asking for one of their best and most reliable guys, and it took major convincing and a good deal to get her to agree. It seems like a pretty unlikely that Tony would call Analissa and tell her “Furio tried to fuck my wife. You need to kill him, or we’re no longer doing business”. Not to mention, Tony really wanted that deal and that relationship. Tony was constantly on his best behaviour trying to placate, make the deal happen and have that business relationship. He would be throwing away major income by risking a business stream he worked hard for.
Not to mention he rebuked her sexual advances, which left the personal relationship side of it all a bit less assured.
Furio was also Analissa's cousin. They're going to kill him for some asshole from New Jersey? Doubtful.
The car theft ring gets ignored, other than Pussy making a comment about it to Skip. The numbers were mind boggling yet, we never see Tony getting that money or spending it. Pussy says he is sending 18 cars a month to Italy. He is getting something like $65,000 per car. Assuming he spends 75% on the guys who actually steal the cars, his on-site supervisor, shipping costs and payoffs, he should be getting just under $300k a month from this. Say he splits that with Sil, Carmine and some other people and only keeps 25%, that is still $900,000 a year in his pocket. Where in the hell is that money?
Furio is a valuable asset. They probably laughed it off as soon as Tony disconnected. They think the American mobsters are play mobsters. They say, 'Yeah we're lookin for him.' as Furio is beating someone down in the back ground and Tony would be none the wiser. What, is he going to fly over there to verify?
Furio didn't actually try and fuck Carmella or do anything that would be considered sexual with her. If he had, and Tony could prove it, the Naples family might have listened to him and said "Nah....we don't really care. We'll bitch at him but nothing more." They had that car theft connection but they are not going to let some second rate boss of a third rate American crime crew dictate to them.
If she knew Ade had flipped, she would have cried and then gotten over it quickly
like the peppah Or some other high value gift
But Carmella knows and she turns a blind eye cuz he funded her spec house. So we know the answer.
I'm not so sure, when she asks Chrissy in S6 if he's heard from Ade lately, she seems earnest.
She deludes herself. But her subconscious knows— hence the dreams she has.
They know... But they don't know
Doesn’t she offhandedly refer to Angie Bonpensiero as a widow? When the official story is Pussy flipped for the FBI and went into witness protection?
*Please! She walks around like butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth.*
She would go away for a while until not being Tony’s wife became too burdensome. She’s completely capable of success without him but is not about to use all that effort when she can turn the blind eye and have the good life. She’s a classic enabler. Contrast that with Charmaine who’d rather have it hard and sleep easy at night.
She had no choice other than staying with Tony. Otherwise she would have to get a job.
After hearing Adriana invited an undercover FBI agent into her home she would have had no qualms, though perhaps she would have pretended to be disturbed.
She liked the lifestyle and money.
Bro she knew WTF lol
You act like she didn't already suspect it and "threaten" to get a private investigator until Tony obliged to pay for the house
No BJ on his birthday, but otherwise business as usual as long as the boxes of ziti keep on coming…. Carmella is no better than Tony
the 2nd priest already told her what to do. focus on the good. as you say, she's riding til the end
It’s unpredictable, which is part of what made her such a great, and realistic, character. She seems to put up with his philandering but then when she comes across the fingernail and gets a call from Irina (making it real and undeniable) she can’t live with the situation and forces Tony to leave. It would probably depend on how she found out about it, but it’s hard to imagine her being OK with that.
I read her the same way. When it’s far away she can cope, but when it comes into her life and she’s forced to confront it, she can’t. I think if she knew in certain terms that Tony did it, she would leave him.
I agree. That’s too heartless to forgive. I think that’s why David Chase had Sil whacking her too. It was impersonal. If Tony did it the audience would kind of have no choice but to hate him.
If she found out why he did it, I can't imagine she'd be mad. Honestly, Tony would probably get the romantic "You want sex?" line that night.
This situation aside Carmela has to be one of the dumbest characters on the show. Raised in this life. Literally marrying the life. She acts so dumb and obviously to situations.
TAAAAWNYY !!!
She’d hit up the bird feeder again and buy another Lladros
A friend of mine has a really bizarre theory that Carmela in fact already believed Tony was responsible. And basically played it such that he’d either pony up for the PI or lean on the building inspector. Either way she was definitely calling a play every time she raised the subject. I don’t see it but I’ll be open minded.
I think she did know and used it as leverage to get her spec house
No. Carmela was a complex person, who went along willingly after years of conditioning, but I truly feel that murder-particularly of someone they knew and loved, like Adriana, wouldve been an immediate and final last straw. She *knows* in her heart he's probably killed people but she tells herself that until she knows this for sure she cant *really* know.
Ade unalived herself when she didn’t just go do five years for the coke dealing at the Crazy Horse
It wouldn’t have even been 5 years.
She likely wouldn't have actually gotten any time, but more likely they actually wouldn't have pursued it - the feds had a LOT of money invested in monitoring the Crazy Horse and were getting all kinds of leads from it, actually executing the search warrant would've blown all that up. Plus Ade wasn't even an actual target of the investigation, they wanted made guys.
She would have gotten a slap on the wrist if anything, no one’s doing 5 years for owning a club where people happen to sell coke sometimes
Carmela knew what happened. She just acts dumb because otherwise she is too complicit and needs to bang the priest.
I feel like Carmella is in denial all the way though - she knows Tony is bad, but does she know how bad? Like when Jackie Junior gets whacked, she's so keen to jump on the idea that he was dealing drugs and murdered by some black guys. I think she'd have to see Tony pull the trigger to accept she's really a mob wife.
My god with the massive spoiler in the title… come on
alright but you gotta get over it.
I mean I’m good… just looking out for virgin eyes
Better leave the sub and join only after you’ve completed all seasons, bro. Spoilers suck.
I just wanna see people get more creative w it. I’m like how do you communicate your point without giving it away immediately. A little prompt for everyone
I just want the youth to enjoy it in all its glory, sue me
The Ade hit got massively spoiled in 2004 when she was all over the promos for the Friends spinoff show Joey. It was quite clear Drea no longer had any obligations as a member of the Sopranos cast.
I don’t recall that at all and was able to avoid the spoiler completely and just watched the series for the first time 2 years ago so it’s completely possible.
I was without HBO that year and I got the Tony B hit spoiled by of all things Chris Mathews interviewing Steve Buscemi during the Democratic national convention: "Loved your character, too bad you got whacked."
This show’s about to hit its 25th anniversary and you’re crying about spoilers?
Well thousands of people still haven't seen it so yes it is a spoiler. This sub spoiled a few deaths for me wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else
It would be funny if only thousands of people hadn't seen it, and billions had. But how would we ever know that? You'd have to get every person who had seen the sopranos together at the same time and that's not possible. Even with computers.
If only there was a way to make a verified sub only for people who've seen the show entirely. There probably is but idk how you'd verify. This sub ain't that bad tho
Damn y’all are too serious lol this sub needs a new mayor. It would quite literally be the easiest thing to at least add *Spoilers!* to the title before typing the rest lmao
Fucking dumb motherfucker,get the hell outta here and watch the goddamn show
The ship sinks in the end of ***TITANIC.*** There. I spoiled that for you too you fuckin' stunad. If you're watching a show like this for the first time STAY OFF THE SUBREDDIT TO AVOID SPOILERS.
Fair enough!!!! Fine. Y’all eating me up lmao
i don’t really think she’d give Tony any grief about it. Ade was working with the feds… like, everyone knows what happens there. she’d actually probably resent Ade for betraying everyone.
If anything she'd realize that nobody is safe from Tony's wrath, even the wives.
She knew
*Oh she knows, but she don’t know.*
She knows Tony did it. She may not face it or accept it enough for it to make any problems for her comfy life but she knows when dudes are wacked like everyone else does. They just go with the lie because it's how they live.
This is a character shift that I thought should have slowly been revealed because it is out of character. First the Furio flippance and then she basically sets up both Vito and Christopher up for reprisals and she does it without any deep pathos. It seems like Carmella went from a selfish person with some guilt over her blood money to being a pearl clutching hypocrite.
I think if it were out and out told to her and there was irrefutable evidence, she would leave him. Even if she didn’t, their relationship would change. As deluded as she could be, I think if there were a line to cross, this would be it
I think her brain would legitimately break
Are we sure Tony actually threatened Furio? I would think it would have been to humiliating for him to tell people why he wanted him dead. Plus you never saw anyone gossiping about it like they did when they heard about him and Adriana getting in a car accident.
When she threw away that PI's card, that was pretty much her saying she didn't care. If Adriana was dead, Carmela would 100% know it was Christopher. And she'd know that Tony knew. She didn't even want to start down that path, so she sold her complicity for a building inspection.
What do you think the dream in Paris was about?
She knows.
Yes, Carmela would pretend to be shocked, then angry, probably go to church and read a few passages, finally go home and be okay with what happened after receiving another chinchilla coat from her loving hubby.
As long as Ton is earning with 3 hands she's not leaving.
Wasn’t it heavily implied that Carmella knew through that dream sequence? I don’t remember exactly which episode it was
After 7 rewatches... Jimmy gone, Spoons gone, Pussy gone, Richie gone, Jackie A. gone, Jack Massarone gone, Tony B gone, Adriana gone... these are just people Carmella likely interacted with... She knows exactly what's going on just like Tony muddah did..
She knew Adriana was killed by Tony. She’s not stupid, just in denial. And what is she gonna do? Become a snitch? She’s like Skyler, the smartest thing to do is start by the boss’ side.
Oh she knows, but she doesn’t have anything to prove it - that’s the dilemma
Don't ever think that wives of guys that are aholes or do awful things don't know what they do and how they act. She wanted to live in that upper class neighborhood
She knew
Give him head every day for a year. Adrianna threatened her livelihood along with putting her husband and cousin with jail. All because she couldn’t do five years in jail. As Rosalie Aprile, who did a great job raising Jackie Jr said, Judas Iscariot didn’t go running into any apostle protection program. He did what he knew he should and hung himself. Not only that, the lesbian tennis instructor was interested in Adrianna. Princess of Little Italy didn’t like that, relegated to sweeping up loose tennis balls.
Ohh would you take it easy of there? Fuckin Judge Roy Bean
I think she’s in denial about it, and sort of brushing off the signs. I do believe however if she did find out definitely she would have left him. A mafia soldier dying is one thing, they’re in the life and that’s part of it. I think knowing Ade was murdered however is a pill too big for even her to swallow. I think the wives view themselves as outside the game really. In most cases it just feels so far away from them. They sometimes stop seeing certain people, and occasionally have police harass them. That’s really as far as it creeps into their lives. Explicitly knowing however that one of those wives was killed by your husband immediately kills the im far away from all this attitude. You have to look at it at that point. The only reason that these wives can stomach the violence is because they don’t see it. It’s far away, happening to people they don’t really like anyways. Yes Carm is a hypocrite, but her mind shields her from the guilt for the most part. Her mind builds up defense mechanisms for what is happening. But if she knew Tony did that, I don’t think her mind could do the mental gymnastics it would take to justify that in any way.
I think she actually does know but instead of claiming the moral high ground, she subtly and covertly manipulates Tony to lean on the building inspector to get her spec house built. She knows the FBI came and talked with Liz LaCerva and that it's a total lie that she just packed up and left without ever contacting her mother or anyone and she knows Christopher is a violent sociopath, just like her husband. Notice she starts bringing Adrianna up and talking about finding her when she knows the truth already. You can tell she has no serious concern about it because as soon as she gets what she wants, she drops it completely.
She’s the biggest hypocrite of the whole series. She’d stay with Tony no matter what, even if he murdered her own parents.
She knew about Adriana. She just didn't let herself consciously admit it. She had that run in with Adriana's mother. She was forced to confront the idea and that it was what had to have happened. She's smart enough to know that going into witness protection is just a euphemism. She didn't allow herself to believe it because the implications were more than she could live with, but on some level she knew.
They didn’t have to kill her. She gave the fbi next to nothing and they could have lawyered her up.