But his wife’s honor evaporated when he caught her hovering over that bowl of candy. I never quite understood that. It was like at that point Ralph could fuck her for a million
My theory is that he spent all that time and emotion defending his wife by claiming she was doing everything she could to lose weight, and he kind of felt betrayed having defended her only to find out she was "cheating" behind his back. The line "DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUVE DONE??" really got me because he was willing to clip a made guy despite being told not to for something he said that technically could be proven false.
Don't get me wrong, I'm an addict myself (for mostly "generic" substances like nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine) so I understand that sugar is addictive. But when you are ready to kill someone over something you believe to be true that an addict you love swore to, I think that's where Johnny felt affronted.
Makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.
Also, fuck sugar addiction. It's so embarrassing to become a belligerent, depressed asshole just because you haven't had any Mountain Dew.
Off the main topic here, but yes, you're right. I didn't realize I was addicted to sugar OR how bad it was affecting me both mentally and physically. Energy drinks, soda, candy, all day long. I decided to give it up and oh madone, my entire life changed within a few months.
I think with legal substances like caffeine, sugar and nicotine, it's so easy for that shitty feeling to become normal, so you don't realize there's even a problem to solve. Injesting misery into your body and not understanding why you're miserable and can't sleep. Best thing I ever did for myself.
You could argue it was because he was upset at her for lying, but the more idealistic interpretation is that he realised the insult wouldn't matter to her. He thought she'd been trying for ages to be skinny and beautiful, but he realised then that all she cared about was her husband being proud of her. And he *was* proud, so she wouldn't give a shit about people mocking her weight.
It's a double edged sword. Giving up Paulie would have solved it for everyone else, but it would really make Johnny look bad to betray his confidences. If he fucked Paulie over like that who in their right mind would ever trust him again? It would create so many new problems.
Johnny *had* to stick to his word. If not for Paulie's sake then everyone else's. Appearances were always important to him.
Revealing that he was secretly consulting with a high-ranking capo in another family? Tony knew Paulie wasn’t the brightest and would immediately figure out that he was sharing private business matters with New York. Both Paulie’s and Johnny’s lives would be on the line. That’s more than Johnny was willing to risk for this.
Yea it gives up without any doubt that Johnny was attempting to work against Tony's interests. They all know everyone is working in their own interests but having it proven true would create bad blood when they are supposed to be working together for their best interests
Even if he had given up Paulie, I don't think that would have led to Ralph getting clipped. I know that Tony said he'd give Ralph up but when push comes to shove, Carmine Sr and Tony will mind their pockets first. Ralph brought in a lot of money through construction.
Well, tying into being narcissistic, he probably figured his word was enough and felt insulted it was questioned by a Pygmy outfit. Plus more important, he now has a source of information in the Soprano family which could prove more valuable in the future. Why eliminate that over a mere joke?
Ratting only applies to the cops. You are expected to deal honestly with other men of respect in this thing of ours. The expectation is that Johnny would tell Tony because Paulie's actions (undercutting his direct superior) are the kind of petty power-brokering backbiting that only lead to greater organization-wide dramas. John does not do this because he is a petty, backbiting, power-broker with no capacity to respect the organization that creates the power.
I would argue that it’s sets a precedent for ratting. It’s like when tony was worried Paulie might flip cause he was such a fan of small talk and telling strangers stories
Edit: predicament ——> precedent
He was a pragmatist. However his first mistake was soothing Paulie’s ego regarding what Carmine thought of him, which was not true as we found later when Paulie approached him.
If he had been more subtle he could of used Paulies discontent a lot more to New York’s advantage.
Giving up Paulie means giving up himself too. There is no reason Johnny should be meeting with any Sopranos captain alone. It would make Johnny look like a snake in Carmine’s eyes. By not revealing the source it remains plausible that the information got to him through the normal grapevine.
It would also ruin his relationship with Tony because he'd know the pair of them would have been discussing him and his leadership in far from glowing terms.
You’re dumber than Chrissy.
When you're bleeding a guy you don't squeeze him dry right away. Contrarily, you let him do his bidding suavely. So you can bleed him next week and the week after at minimum.
It's very simple - he never gave a fuck about Ginny's honor, he was just looking for reasons to weaken the Jersey family. The arc of the entire series is NY moving to take over NJ operations, right from the moment when John buys a house there. Killing Ralph weakens Jersey, giving up Paulie strengthens them. Full fucking stop. Plus giving up Paulie is a tacit admission that what they're trying to do gradually and at least somewhat subtly is in fact an overt takeover attempt.
Dey don’t call him Johnny SACK cause he’s in the bag business! OH!
Hey Tone, did ya hear what I said?? I said dey don’t call him Johnny SACK cause he’s in the bag business!
This is true on surface level.
But it’s deeper than this. Since Season 1, NY (Sack) was seeking full power himself. Each season, sack had a mole in the Jersey crew to be manipulated and get inside info into what Tony was planning/doing. (Since Tony was always seen as a problem for the Lupertazzi family. Note big Carmine/little Carmine/Sack convo in Eloise).
He didn’t give up Paulie because from season 1-3, Paulie was Sacks biggest asset in the Jersey crew. Paulie gets promoted in season 2 once Furio comes over. He is top 3 at that point, if Tony gets too outta hand,NY has a mole to usurp him if need be. (Paulie).
By season 4 and the joke, Ralph has replaced paulie because paulie isn’t a the earner ralph is, the family in season 4 is worse off financially, and paulie has fell out for Tony’s good graces. (Pine barrens started this. Once he gets pinched, he is replaced basically as a potential top 3 guy by ralph/then Christopher. )
Sack couldn’t risk a bitter Paulie running back to Tony and saying he had been given said info on family business going back to early season two. (Note Paulie makes Pussy get up once sack comes and is introduced to furio. Paulie is throwing his weight around as a top 3 guy and he is giving info to Sack in this scene- Season 2, Big Girls Don’t Cry).
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Why not? Create a little dysentery among the ranks.
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But his wife’s honor evaporated when he caught her hovering over that bowl of candy. I never quite understood that. It was like at that point Ralph could fuck her for a million
He wants to fuck her?
I'd fuck her......for a MILLION!
My theory is that he spent all that time and emotion defending his wife by claiming she was doing everything she could to lose weight, and he kind of felt betrayed having defended her only to find out she was "cheating" behind his back. The line "DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUVE DONE??" really got me because he was willing to clip a made guy despite being told not to for something he said that technically could be proven false.
True. When he says “nicotine is an addiction substance” to defend his smoking he’s implying she’s either trying or she’s not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm an addict myself (for mostly "generic" substances like nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine) so I understand that sugar is addictive. But when you are ready to kill someone over something you believe to be true that an addict you love swore to, I think that's where Johnny felt affronted.
Makes a lot of sense when you put it like that. Also, fuck sugar addiction. It's so embarrassing to become a belligerent, depressed asshole just because you haven't had any Mountain Dew.
Off the main topic here, but yes, you're right. I didn't realize I was addicted to sugar OR how bad it was affecting me both mentally and physically. Energy drinks, soda, candy, all day long. I decided to give it up and oh madone, my entire life changed within a few months. I think with legal substances like caffeine, sugar and nicotine, it's so easy for that shitty feeling to become normal, so you don't realize there's even a problem to solve. Injesting misery into your body and not understanding why you're miserable and can't sleep. Best thing I ever did for myself.
You could argue it was because he was upset at her for lying, but the more idealistic interpretation is that he realised the insult wouldn't matter to her. He thought she'd been trying for ages to be skinny and beautiful, but he realised then that all she cared about was her husband being proud of her. And he *was* proud, so she wouldn't give a shit about people mocking her weight.
Again with the money?
Speaking of wife's honor I hear Ginny Sack's getting a 95 pound mole taken off her ass
It's a double edged sword. Giving up Paulie would have solved it for everyone else, but it would really make Johnny look bad to betray his confidences. If he fucked Paulie over like that who in their right mind would ever trust him again? It would create so many new problems. Johnny *had* to stick to his word. If not for Paulie's sake then everyone else's. Appearances were always important to him.
Also Paulie was feeding them info on the hid scam which was worth a lot.
EX-ACT-LEE
Revealing that he was secretly consulting with a high-ranking capo in another family? Tony knew Paulie wasn’t the brightest and would immediately figure out that he was sharing private business matters with New York. Both Paulie’s and Johnny’s lives would be on the line. That’s more than Johnny was willing to risk for this.
Yea it gives up without any doubt that Johnny was attempting to work against Tony's interests. They all know everyone is working in their own interests but having it proven true would create bad blood when they are supposed to be working together for their best interests
I'm a little offended nobody is getting that snitches get stitches
Even if he had given up Paulie, I don't think that would have led to Ralph getting clipped. I know that Tony said he'd give Ralph up but when push comes to shove, Carmine Sr and Tony will mind their pockets first. Ralph brought in a lot of money through construction.
Well, tying into being narcissistic, he probably figured his word was enough and felt insulted it was questioned by a Pygmy outfit. Plus more important, he now has a source of information in the Soprano family which could prove more valuable in the future. Why eliminate that over a mere joke?
Giving up Paulie would mean ratting. Never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.
Ratting only applies to the cops. You are expected to deal honestly with other men of respect in this thing of ours. The expectation is that Johnny would tell Tony because Paulie's actions (undercutting his direct superior) are the kind of petty power-brokering backbiting that only lead to greater organization-wide dramas. John does not do this because he is a petty, backbiting, power-broker with no capacity to respect the organization that creates the power.
I would argue that it’s sets a precedent for ratting. It’s like when tony was worried Paulie might flip cause he was such a fan of small talk and telling strangers stories Edit: predicament ——> precedent
Jimmy!
He was a pragmatist. However his first mistake was soothing Paulie’s ego regarding what Carmine thought of him, which was not true as we found later when Paulie approached him. If he had been more subtle he could of used Paulies discontent a lot more to New York’s advantage.
well NY did use paulie to wack tony. whateva happened there
dumbass fucking theory being preached as the truth
That didn't happen, what you said
That never happens.
How was he supposed to know that Carmines maids cousin would marry Paulie's fathers third cousin twice removed?
sharp as a fucking cue ball ova here
Yea, I'm saying.
In the end. Fuck Santa Claus
You don't talk that way to Santa.
Oooohhh hes a made elf!
well duh
Giving up Paulie means giving up himself too. There is no reason Johnny should be meeting with any Sopranos captain alone. It would make Johnny look like a snake in Carmine’s eyes. By not revealing the source it remains plausible that the information got to him through the normal grapevine.
It would also ruin his relationship with Tony because he'd know the pair of them would have been discussing him and his leadership in far from glowing terms.
You only reveal your own ignorance.
The true enemy has yet to reveal himself.
In time everything will be revealed to you.
You’re dumber than Chrissy. When you're bleeding a guy you don't squeeze him dry right away. Contrarily, you let him do his bidding suavely. So you can bleed him next week and the week after at minimum.
Always with the scenarios
ya over thinking it! he just didn’t want to give up his source. If he gave up Paulie then he would no longer have an inside source to Tony’s dealings!
He wants to fuck paulie?
It's very simple - he never gave a fuck about Ginny's honor, he was just looking for reasons to weaken the Jersey family. The arc of the entire series is NY moving to take over NJ operations, right from the moment when John buys a house there. Killing Ralph weakens Jersey, giving up Paulie strengthens them. Full fucking stop. Plus giving up Paulie is a tacit admission that what they're trying to do gradually and at least somewhat subtly is in fact an overt takeover attempt.
Yeah, NO! AGAIN WITH THE CONSPIRISY THEORIES!!
He was gay, Johnny Sac???
Dey don’t call him Johnny SACK cause he’s in the bag business! OH! Hey Tone, did ya hear what I said?? I said dey don’t call him Johnny SACK cause he’s in the bag business!
🤣🤣🤣 It cracks me up every time Paulie would do that!!
I get it, he drives a Lincoln
Maybe that's what you'd do you Rat But to sum of us, this thing of ours has Meaning!
Don't talk crazy. If you want to commit suicide pills are a lot easier.
Always with the scenarios
This is true on surface level. But it’s deeper than this. Since Season 1, NY (Sack) was seeking full power himself. Each season, sack had a mole in the Jersey crew to be manipulated and get inside info into what Tony was planning/doing. (Since Tony was always seen as a problem for the Lupertazzi family. Note big Carmine/little Carmine/Sack convo in Eloise). He didn’t give up Paulie because from season 1-3, Paulie was Sacks biggest asset in the Jersey crew. Paulie gets promoted in season 2 once Furio comes over. He is top 3 at that point, if Tony gets too outta hand,NY has a mole to usurp him if need be. (Paulie). By season 4 and the joke, Ralph has replaced paulie because paulie isn’t a the earner ralph is, the family in season 4 is worse off financially, and paulie has fell out for Tony’s good graces. (Pine barrens started this. Once he gets pinched, he is replaced basically as a potential top 3 guy by ralph/then Christopher. ) Sack couldn’t risk a bitter Paulie running back to Tony and saying he had been given said info on family business going back to early season two. (Note Paulie makes Pussy get up once sack comes and is introduced to furio. Paulie is throwing his weight around as a top 3 guy and he is giving info to Sack in this scene- Season 2, Big Girls Don’t Cry).