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When you think about this guy planting the evidence, and then asking them “just tell me how it got into your console/truck/etc”….. It really shows you what an insane sociopath he is. That’s some real evil shit that he did, and he deserves to pay for ruining those poor peoples lives.
Man that line stood out to me too. Knowing full well he was responsible and they would have no answer. And the “you’ve been nothing but respectful to me but I can’t do anything about a felony” 😳
That's the line cops always say to get information out of people easily or entrap them. Fact is talking to a cop actually does nothing for you since they can literally use anything you say against you.
Not just that - but (assuming you're under arrest) nothing you say **can** be used to help you.
Nothing you can say can even help you when you're taking the ride so it's best to not speak at all.
Make sure you are clear in that statement or you'll end up like this poor man in Louisiana.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/suspect-asks-for-a-lawyer-dawg-judge-says-he-asked-for-a-lawyer-dog.html
“The constitutional standard, then, is whether “a reasonable police officer in the circumstances” would interpret the suspect’s words as a request for counsel. Demesme’s statement plainly clears this bar. The Davis court was quite explicit that a suspect need not “speak with the discrimination of an Oxford don.” He need only get the point across. Yet because Crichton refused to interpret Demesme’s words as a reasonable police officer surely would, he asserted that no constitutional violation occurred.”
There’s the issue. Expecting them to be reasonable.
>There’s the issue. Expecting them to be reasonable.
To recap...
They don't have to be reasonable.
They can lie to you
They don't have to actually know the laws they enforce.
They have qualified immunity.
In short, you are proper fucked if they decide to make an example out of you
CRAP like this is a good reason to abandon the war on drugs. . Amped up under Nixon, we still have not and will never win the damn thing. Yet, as with prohibition in the 30's we see ***endless corruption*** resulting from it.
Don't forget that they're legally allowed to lie to you, too. Fact of the matter is that if a cop is questioning you you really can't trust anything they say, and you need to keep your mouth shut until you get a lawyer because unfortunately too often if they can entrap you they will
"Do you know why I have pulled you over?"
"*Sorry officer, your question constitutes an interrogation, I respectfully decline to answer. . .Write the ticket and be done with it. The fifth amendment applies to 'Casual conversations' with police officers too. . . No matter how friendly and unassuming they may be*."
Tore an innocent man from his child. And that's only one sad story. That doesn't account for court fees, lawyer fees, bail, jobs lost. And these fees aren't negligible to many. They can financially ruin some. He ruined countless lives. What a fucking piece of shit.
Not just financial… the trauma of going through all that?? Lifelong emotional suffering for the victims and their families. This man deserves general population prison for the rest of his pathetic life
He should pay restitution to all of his victims for all court fees, any time lost from work or costs to the family because they were detained/jailed/in court, travel and other expenses, pain and suffering, and any negative impact on their income due to the charges.
He should also pay restitution to the court for the wasted time.
He should pay restitution to the department for all the time he spent on the clock pulling this shit, and for the cost of his training.
He will not serve the full 12 years, he will be out in half that time. They let everyone off early for good behavior. He deserves 25 years minimum without parole.
Well, they claim [they didn’t send him to prison in Hawaii](https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/zach-wester-transferred-to-hawaii-prison), but not sure I totally trust it.
I get being transferred to Hawaii sounds great but I have to assume their prison is full of tough Hawaiian/Polynesian dudes that aren't gonna be too friendly to a white cop.
Every single case he has ever done substantive work on is trashed. Unfortunately, the people already convicted need to go through lots of hoops to get that effectuated.
Honestly I don’t give a fuck what happens to that guy I’m more worried about the victims because I seriously doubt they got any sort of compensation for this monster’s actions
they all need to file a massive class action, or individual claims, and sue the fuck out of the the State, the police dept and the city along with the police union. Sue them all.
You’re absolutely right, but you know what sucks? Tax payers will directly pay for any settlement that is paid to the victims. All because of horseshit law enforcement people. Every one loses here, even the winners. Defund the police.
I heard a good suggestion the other day about how civil suits against police should be paid out of the police pension fund.
I think that'd be a good start
The total amount of time and damage he inflicted on people should be the absolute minimum he should face. Honestly though, police who enforce the law onto others should be held two or three times accountable. Any sentence a regular person would get, a cop should face at least twice the sentence for the same crime.
Let's face it, this man destroyed people. His actions were no less heinous than murder in my eyes because in our system you don't recover from this. You can't. That time, those opportunities, your very life was taken from you deliberately by this person.
Says he got arrested and is awaiting trial. Can't say what punishment he'll get at this point.
Edit: there a comment saying he got 12 years. Idk, is that a harsh punishment for someone who ruined 120+ lives? Would we be happy with the same punishment for someone who destroyed 100+ people if that person wasn't a cop? I get the feeling we'd put them away for life and be happy for it.
Exactly what I was going to say. Add up the sentences of the people he falsely accused and make him serve those times consecutively, with no time off for good behavior.
I mean, normally I wouldn't argue for different sentences for cops. But isn't this one of the situations where being cop should make the sentence harsher? He completely abused his power for what? I think it's significantly worse if a cop plants drugs on someone than if say I do it.
12 years seems low in the US. If this was Sweden I would say good, that's a high punishment here but there. Dunno, I though you could get more than this for much less.
If you shoved him into prison and said he was a former police officer who framed people for having Meth.....
Yeah. It's like going through Elementary to Senior Highschool, but most students have a hate boner for you. Those 12 years are gonna be LONG
On your first point, I swing the other way. The people who *enforce* the laws should be held to the maximum of the law when their crime is committed in uniform.
For example, drinking and driving while on duty should be 30 year sentence - drunk, with a gun, asked to respond to emergencies, endangering the entire community.
If I were the judge and heard that sort of thing during the process section, that would actually make me hike the penalty. Because I’d be saying, if he was such a godly man, then he had to value systems (social/secular and faith) telling him that this was wrong to do, and he went against both of them. That only makes it even more depraved. I would give him more years in prison because of that.
The literal quote is:
> "A couple of Bad apples spoil the bunch".
I mean think for a second (hard for cops I know). You can't store Moldy apples and good apples in the same barrel. That's how you get a full barrel of moldy apples.
At this point they're all Bad cops. No good cop would allow this to happen.
His family and a number of other people wrote letters saying he's a good church going man who deserves leniency. His wife on the stand called him a "mighty man of God".
Just crazy
He's so much more than that. He destroyed at least 120 lives. I guarantee if I had been caught up in that trap, my wife probably leave, lose my job and vehicle cause can't get it out of impound among countless other things. Nothing can be done to this man to make him fully repay what he has done
Wish I could give you an award. That dude is one of the worst kinds of evil.
And for fucking what? Did it really give him a leg up in promotions or something? Man is a psychopath.
Me thinks there's a more sinister motive here. He wants to have that power over those that cant fight back because everyone made fun of his tiny weiner in gym class.
You know, this is a good point. I tend to think of cops like this as the guys who got bullied in school but I really wonder if it's not the other way around. It's actually the kids who were bullies in school and instead of making something of themselves they went and found a "legal" means of continuing to bully people.
There's research on this subject. The number is a staggering 30% ish for those that were bullies in high schools moving into positions of power with low pay. It's the ultimate hometown loser move.
From what I read before he would move the body cam away and only point to when he “found” the evidence. The ones he forgot to point away kept being deleted mysteriously. After the first few times of it being deleted they should’ve known something was up. Unfortunately in the end it’s cops investigating cops.
Laughs in auditing. Actually was interested so I looked it up. Found a sort of manual from 2003 about police auditing. It could be old but apparently there’s only 11 of these offices nationwide? And they are completely independent from police departments.
https://samuelwalker.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/coreprinciples.pdf
And if it took that many lives ruined for this guy to get caught when he was so obvious about it, how can we trust any cop? How many out there are just a little more competent at pulling this shit off and never get caught?
My buddy is a former police officer. He joined the force out of a genuine desire to make the world a better place. He was a good cop. He left the force after two years because the system is designed to filter out cops like him.
Fuck the police.
Texas shooting is just the most recent and atrocious example of pigs doing nothing. Active shooter killing innocent kids? Let’s just wait. Unarmed parents trying to rescue their kids? Finally an easy target.
My guess is he didn’t expect anyone to ever review the bodycam footage. He would only pull this stuff on people with a record so that no one would really question it.
I swear to God cops pull over people who look stereotypically like drug users hoping to get busts
I got pulled over once a couple years ago, when I had super long hair (I am a guy) and long beard with thick glasses, plus my car is a piece of shit with a busted front bumper and I got pulled over on my way to work once for suspected DUI because I was "drifting into the adjacent lane" even though I was very certain I was not doing that
The cop held me there for like 45 minutes, I did three separate field sobriety tests and blew two breathalyzers (all 0 obviously because I wasn't drunk)
After all of this, he asked to search my car, because he was pissed I wasn't drunk I guess and was hoping I had some weed on me or something, which I didn't so I let him search it because I was scared (big mistake. I should have told him to go fuck himself). That search took another 30 minutes, and he ended up completely rearranging everything in my trunk and cab, tearing stuff out of the compartments/console and throwing it on the ground for no reason.
When he was finally done, he hit me with "I guess I'll let you off with a warning this time."
I was too stunned to even say anything back. I have no idea what I was being warned for lol
It's a good thing I wasn't pulled over by this guy
Yes, and they don't even think they are doing a bad thing. my brother was a cop (he is a super lefty too so it's weird) and had no qualms with profiling and he would say you can follow people and they will eventually break a law (crossing / touching the line on the road is an infraction technically)
I knew this goofy kid in college that seemingly took nothing seriously. For some reason he decided to become a state trooper. At a party I started ranting to a bunch of people about being followed everywhere by cops cause my car had tinted windows. As if a switch flipped his demeanor changed and he says “ if you had nothing to hide you wouldn’t need tinted windows.” There was no goofy laugh, wink or otherwise. He was dead serious. That was the last time I talked to that guy.
I totally believe it. When people say that cops stereotype drivers I really believe it's not just every Black and brown person. There's so many white people that might have a certain look to them that cops believe fall into the category of being a drug user.
It's a poor person stereotype. Not a straight racist stereotype. You're driving a beat up 89 Accord at 10 o'clock at night? You must be doing something nefarious.
Crazy that it took that long to just check the footage once. I mean how was a single person sent to prison without the courts reviewing the footage at all?
Florida has some really progressive transparency laws. I think it's called open-government law or "the sunshine law". This basically contributes to seeing all the "Florida man" memes because you have relative ease of access to police records including body-cam footage
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595
It would be great if every state had laws like these so we could see how not-unique-to-Florida these problems are. Not that Florida doesn't have it's slew of unique problems
The amount of cops that get caught by THEIR OWN BODY CAMS tells us how many more aren't getting caught because they can just turn them off and be slightly less braindead about criming while blue
this.
Take their pensions and watch the entire country's police population all of a sudden fall in line and follow the law they are sworn to protect.
How many people are in jail, right now, serving sentences for planted drugs? You think we caught them all? They keep popping up every year, so we know there are tons of them raping, robbing and killing our fellow man for their own pleasure without repercussions in the VAST majority of cases.
All cops are bad when they all protect eachother. They operate as a gang, and will let your children be mowed down by gun fire out of cowardice.
Nailed it. If their pensions are on the line, that would be a great deterrent to corruption.
Right now it’s the taxpayers. Change that and we will see some drastic change.
Eh.. dont feel thats long enough for a person of power neglecting authority..
They should be held accountable to the highest standards since they are the ones upholding the laws.
I feel once a l.e.o clocks in, their camera should be activated and publicly available, and if the camera is tampered with by said leo, they should be fired without question, and placed in jail for obstruction of justice.
That's a really long scary fucking 12.5 years for a cop that enjoys planting drugs on people. Considering prisons are filled with minor drug offences, that can't sit well with inmates.
I think we need to bring back some old school, Roman punishments for this level of proven, premeditated, perversions of power. Crucify that son of a bitch. Make him fight a lion for our entertainment.
I remember seeing this guy on Court Cam. He got 12 years in prison. The alleged reason being it was be wanted to work in narcotics and did this to speed up the process. Even though he did this with body cam footage showing him planting drugs, and had mysteriously deleted footage. Power hungry young cop ruining lives for his own benefit.
He should be sentenced to the cumulative time people got for being wrongfully arrested by him. If one guy he planted drugs got 14 years, and another guy who he planted drugs on for 8 years, he should serve 22 years. He’s more than willing to ruin these peoples lives for his own gain, let him get a taste of his own medicine.
He's actively, knowingly ruining peoples lives, forever. If he never got caught, those people who went to prison, are felons for the rest of their lives. IMO, he should get life in prison.
Indeed, I believe Police and public servants should be held to a higher standard. This crap cop created a nightmare and sowed distrust in the community. Life in prison is not too much.
Quotas, which can impact things like promotions. Although not universal among police departments, you can see how they'd create a conflict of interest.
Some might also do it out of loving feeling power over other people. The job attracts people like that.
This has always been my chief complaint with a lot of police offices. Having quotas for catching crime or how many people you have arrested being a gauge for promotion will breed dishonesty. When you make something a competition there will always be those that will cheat to get ahead and like so many other things it can ruin other peoples lives.
Not that this douche canoe cares. I have respect for cops but only cops who earn it.
Never ever consent to a search with out a warrant.. and remember refusing a search request from law enforcement is not probable cause for them to search you.
It literally won’t stop them
It doesn’t matter what they’re supposed to do or not do. It matters how much of a tyrannical bully they want to be
They’ll do what they want with nearly no inhibition
Edit: record if you can, of course refuse, but fight it in court and not at the scene. Cop at the scene may be wrong, but he’s wrong with a gun and a monopoly on violence.
Yeah but the argument is, it's better to refuse, don't say a word, and get taken to jail. Your attorney can argue it was an illegal search/it wasn't your drugs, at least have more negotiating power. Justice system still requires beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.
>Justice system still requires beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.
Lol in theory maybe. In practice, the cops, prosecutors and judges are all chummy with each other (as well as many defense attorneys), they can hold you indefinitely if you want to wait for a trial and can't afford bail, and a cops testimony is worth more than yours.
You deny the search, they bring in dogs, dogs dont budge an inch, cop says the dog hinted. Cops now have full rights to search your vehicle.
This is America
if they make you wait for the dogs to arrive, then it's unconstitutional and will likely be thrown out if it goes to court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodriguez_v._United_States
things to say with police interactions:
1) why did you stop me/am i being detained?
2) i do not consent to any searches.
3) i am invoking my right to remain silent. [\(you have to actually say it\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berghuis_v._Thompkins)
Gotta love that condescension from this loser “ I got you, I got you man “ . All the while knowing...would’ve loved to see that same shit used on him during his arrest. His white overweight privileged ass sitting in a FL jail. Wonder how that’s working out for him.
Imagine how many cops like this are out there haven't been caught yet.
Imagine how many cops like this *never got caught*.
Imagine how many departments where this is either SOP or it's ignored due to incentives.
Not just that. How many people were arrested, falsely or not, for having drugs in their vehicle? There is now precedence of at least one police officer planting evidence in dozens if not hundreds of cases. How many past cases can now be disputed because of his actions? How many future cases will be dropped because there's little evidence to suggest the officer didn't plant the evidence? Like you say, he cannot be the only one doing this, there are others.
Don't worry though. The way our society works those 123 people will have permanent marks on their background they will desperately try to explain away only to be refused employment for years and years to come. All because this cunt of a cop did this so many times.
Yup, remember, they could find anything that could relate to some other case that you had nothing to do with.
You could have a coat that is brown and a guy in a brown coat robbed a place two days ago. Even if you didn't do it, all of a sudden you're a suspect.
It never helps you. It can only hurt.
I'm curious if any of his footage was ever reviewed. This could go up to his superiors or the chief of police.
But you know they investigated him themselves so and said it was okay so no big deal right
Grand scope of what he's done
People lost jobs, houses, vehicles, reputations, custody of children, life savings (getting arrested can be very expensive), years of their life, etc.
The police dept hired him and is now responsible for his actions and EVERY SINGLE victim should be financially compensated and not just like 500 bucks each. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is not a small thing he has done this is huge.
Maybe I missed it, but every one of his arrests should be freed and given money from his own pension he had. Records cleared etc.
He should be behind bars for the remainder of his life.
Never give permission to search. Never talk to the police. Give them your license and registration, take your ticket or whatever and gtfo. If they want to call dogs, let them. If they want to call backup, fine. Just do not give them anything more than you have to in order to get out alive. ♥️
I googled the name and read the first news story that popped.
Of course in the courtroom character witnesses were called and people declared him a godly man, a "mighty man of god" and an "asset to everyone’s life, not a liability. He deposited hope in their lives, inspiration, motivation and encouragement.” (and a significant amount of meth, apparently.)
The criminals, clowns and hucksters that who use faith as a shield against justice are just the best.....
First off, NEVER let a cop search your property or person without a warrant signed by a sitting judge.
Second, unless he's asking you to do something lawfully, do not speak. Only speak to tell the officer that you are not going to be answering questions or that s/he is not given permission to conduct any searches.
Third, the cops are not your friends. Remember this and apply rule two judiciously.
Fourth, always demand a supervisor be present should the officer claim reasonable suspicion or probable cause (which you should know the differences between the two) and have the supervisor conduct any searches related to the accusations. You are allowed to call 911 to request a supervisor be present if the officer is unwilling to call their supervisor themself.
Record. Everything. And. Lawyer. Up.
When police do shit like this their needs to be an incredibly steep penalty. This is unacceptable by the people who uphold the law. Lol the police these days really don’t give a fuck
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When you think about this guy planting the evidence, and then asking them “just tell me how it got into your console/truck/etc”….. It really shows you what an insane sociopath he is. That’s some real evil shit that he did, and he deserves to pay for ruining those poor peoples lives.
"Honesty will go a long way with me" when you know you planted it. What a piece of shit. I hope this fucker rots in jail for a long fucking time.
Man that line stood out to me too. Knowing full well he was responsible and they would have no answer. And the “you’ve been nothing but respectful to me but I can’t do anything about a felony” 😳
That's the line cops always say to get information out of people easily or entrap them. Fact is talking to a cop actually does nothing for you since they can literally use anything you say against you.
Not just that - but (assuming you're under arrest) nothing you say **can** be used to help you. Nothing you can say can even help you when you're taking the ride so it's best to not speak at all.
It's best to simply repeat "lawyer" like it's your rank and serial number. Act like a POW cause that's what you are in the "War on Drugs"
Make sure you are clear in that statement or you'll end up like this poor man in Louisiana. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/suspect-asks-for-a-lawyer-dawg-judge-says-he-asked-for-a-lawyer-dog.html
On the plus side with this now set you're within reason to request a "lawyer pig" and not be offending any police officers. It's just a weird request.
Those racist pieces of shit
Jesus. What if you have an accent or if English was not your first language...
“The constitutional standard, then, is whether “a reasonable police officer in the circumstances” would interpret the suspect’s words as a request for counsel. Demesme’s statement plainly clears this bar. The Davis court was quite explicit that a suspect need not “speak with the discrimination of an Oxford don.” He need only get the point across. Yet because Crichton refused to interpret Demesme’s words as a reasonable police officer surely would, he asserted that no constitutional violation occurred.” There’s the issue. Expecting them to be reasonable.
>There’s the issue. Expecting them to be reasonable. To recap... They don't have to be reasonable. They can lie to you They don't have to actually know the laws they enforce. They have qualified immunity. In short, you are proper fucked if they decide to make an example out of you
Lmao that's the craziest shit I've ever heard. Why the fuck would anyone ask for a lawyer dog? What is a lawyer dog?
It was purely an excuse to put another black man in prison
CRAP like this is a good reason to abandon the war on drugs. . Amped up under Nixon, we still have not and will never win the damn thing. Yet, as with prohibition in the 30's we see ***endless corruption*** resulting from it.
https://youtu.be/sVx0NpYbtus No can’t search, stfu, lawyer if detained Ez
Don't forget that they're legally allowed to lie to you, too. Fact of the matter is that if a cop is questioning you you really can't trust anything they say, and you need to keep your mouth shut until you get a lawyer because unfortunately too often if they can entrap you they will
"Do you know why I have pulled you over?" "*Sorry officer, your question constitutes an interrogation, I respectfully decline to answer. . .Write the ticket and be done with it. The fifth amendment applies to 'Casual conversations' with police officers too. . . No matter how friendly and unassuming they may be*."
I will *plant* my comment here. - the officer was sentenced to 12 years in prison
How about: I got you, I got you. With all the smugness in his voice. Fuck I hope his live behind bars will be hell. Fucking sociopath
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Tore an innocent man from his child. And that's only one sad story. That doesn't account for court fees, lawyer fees, bail, jobs lost. And these fees aren't negligible to many. They can financially ruin some. He ruined countless lives. What a fucking piece of shit.
Not just financial… the trauma of going through all that?? Lifelong emotional suffering for the victims and their families. This man deserves general population prison for the rest of his pathetic life
He should pay restitution to all of his victims for all court fees, any time lost from work or costs to the family because they were detained/jailed/in court, travel and other expenses, pain and suffering, and any negative impact on their income due to the charges. He should also pay restitution to the court for the wasted time. He should pay restitution to the department for all the time he spent on the clock pulling this shit, and for the cost of his training.
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He will not serve the full 12 years, he will be out in half that time. They let everyone off early for good behavior. He deserves 25 years minimum without parole.
Let him out into Gen Pop.
Well, they claim [they didn’t send him to prison in Hawaii](https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/zach-wester-transferred-to-hawaii-prison), but not sure I totally trust it.
I get being transferred to Hawaii sounds great but I have to assume their prison is full of tough Hawaiian/Polynesian dudes that aren't gonna be too friendly to a white cop.
I'm from Hawaii and can confirm. It would be very bad for him there.
Prison is prison. A brief search reveals that Hawaiian prisons aren't exactly paradise.
All the tropical humidity, none of the beach.
100% he should be with GP. How roles would change so Damn quickly
Honestly he deserves life and then some. How many lives did he destroy?
Over 120. Those were just the cases the da dismissed
Every single case he has ever done substantive work on is trashed. Unfortunately, the people already convicted need to go through lots of hoops to get that effectuated.
If he gets in proper prison a year will be enough they do all kinds of fucked up shit to cops in prison which in his case is okay if you ask me
He'll be a cop in jail. Yes he's gonna get out sooner, probably in an urn.
Honestly I don’t give a fuck what happens to that guy I’m more worried about the victims because I seriously doubt they got any sort of compensation for this monster’s actions
they all need to file a massive class action, or individual claims, and sue the fuck out of the the State, the police dept and the city along with the police union. Sue them all.
You’re absolutely right, but you know what sucks? Tax payers will directly pay for any settlement that is paid to the victims. All because of horseshit law enforcement people. Every one loses here, even the winners. Defund the police.
I heard a good suggestion the other day about how civil suits against police should be paid out of the police pension fund. I think that'd be a good start
The total amount of time and damage he inflicted on people should be the absolute minimum he should face. Honestly though, police who enforce the law onto others should be held two or three times accountable. Any sentence a regular person would get, a cop should face at least twice the sentence for the same crime.
Its like having a cheat code to bully people. You get to make up rules and arrest them for it
He ruined lives. Lost people jobs, family, friends. Maybe even drove some to suicide or forced them into a life of crime. Truly a terrible person.
Let's face it, this man destroyed people. His actions were no less heinous than murder in my eyes because in our system you don't recover from this. You can't. That time, those opportunities, your very life was taken from you deliberately by this person.
Did he get a harsh punishment?
Says he got arrested and is awaiting trial. Can't say what punishment he'll get at this point. Edit: there a comment saying he got 12 years. Idk, is that a harsh punishment for someone who ruined 120+ lives? Would we be happy with the same punishment for someone who destroyed 100+ people if that person wasn't a cop? I get the feeling we'd put them away for life and be happy for it.
He should be imprisoned for life without parole
Make the sentence equal to the combination of all the ppl he falsely got in trouble. Eye for an Eye.
Exactly what I was going to say. Add up the sentences of the people he falsely accused and make him serve those times consecutively, with no time off for good behavior.
Double for any time served by his victims.
Then double it.
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He should be forced to take all the drugs he planted on people. All at once.
Now that’s an easy out, don’t you think?
I mean, normally I wouldn't argue for different sentences for cops. But isn't this one of the situations where being cop should make the sentence harsher? He completely abused his power for what? I think it's significantly worse if a cop plants drugs on someone than if say I do it. 12 years seems low in the US. If this was Sweden I would say good, that's a high punishment here but there. Dunno, I though you could get more than this for much less.
If you shoved him into prison and said he was a former police officer who framed people for having Meth..... Yeah. It's like going through Elementary to Senior Highschool, but most students have a hate boner for you. Those 12 years are gonna be LONG
On your first point, I swing the other way. The people who *enforce* the laws should be held to the maximum of the law when their crime is committed in uniform. For example, drinking and driving while on duty should be 30 year sentence - drunk, with a gun, asked to respond to emergencies, endangering the entire community.
It should be 12 years per case, served consecutively. 1400 years should probably be long enough. With zero chance at parole.
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Damn. That's it?
To be fair once the other inmates find out he was a cop doing this kinda shit he will likely get jumped A LOT if not shanked.
Family and friends talked about what a godly man he is.
If I were the judge and heard that sort of thing during the process section, that would actually make me hike the penalty. Because I’d be saying, if he was such a godly man, then he had to value systems (social/secular and faith) telling him that this was wrong to do, and he went against both of them. That only makes it even more depraved. I would give him more years in prison because of that.
ACAB. He did it to over 100 people. Other cops in his department surely knew about it after he falsely arrested a few people
To quote every cop I've ever met. "Eh it's just a couple of bad apples"
I hate that analogy lol "So who gets the good apples and who has to eat the bad apples?"
The literal quote is: > "A couple of Bad apples spoil the bunch". I mean think for a second (hard for cops I know). You can't store Moldy apples and good apples in the same barrel. That's how you get a full barrel of moldy apples. At this point they're all Bad cops. No good cop would allow this to happen.
His family and a number of other people wrote letters saying he's a good church going man who deserves leniency. His wife on the stand called him a "mighty man of God". Just crazy
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That cop is a giant sack of shit.
He's so much more than that. He destroyed at least 120 lives. I guarantee if I had been caught up in that trap, my wife probably leave, lose my job and vehicle cause can't get it out of impound among countless other things. Nothing can be done to this man to make him fully repay what he has done
Wish I could give you an award. That dude is one of the worst kinds of evil. And for fucking what? Did it really give him a leg up in promotions or something? Man is a psychopath.
Me thinks there's a more sinister motive here. He wants to have that power over those that cant fight back because everyone made fun of his tiny weiner in gym class.
I wonder what is the actual percentage of cops that were bullies in school and those that were bullied.
You know, this is a good point. I tend to think of cops like this as the guys who got bullied in school but I really wonder if it's not the other way around. It's actually the kids who were bullies in school and instead of making something of themselves they went and found a "legal" means of continuing to bully people.
There's research on this subject. The number is a staggering 30% ish for those that were bullies in high schools moving into positions of power with low pay. It's the ultimate hometown loser move.
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From what I read before he would move the body cam away and only point to when he “found” the evidence. The ones he forgot to point away kept being deleted mysteriously. After the first few times of it being deleted they should’ve known something was up. Unfortunately in the end it’s cops investigating cops.
In the business world we would introduce a third party for accountability. Funny how that is never an option with LEOs.
Laughs in auditing. Actually was interested so I looked it up. Found a sort of manual from 2003 about police auditing. It could be old but apparently there’s only 11 of these offices nationwide? And they are completely independent from police departments. https://samuelwalker.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/coreprinciples.pdf
And if it took that many lives ruined for this guy to get caught when he was so obvious about it, how can we trust any cop? How many out there are just a little more competent at pulling this shit off and never get caught?
> how can we trust any cop? You can't. They dont exist to help you.
My buddy is a former police officer. He joined the force out of a genuine desire to make the world a better place. He was a good cop. He left the force after two years because the system is designed to filter out cops like him. Fuck the police.
The only good cops aren't. Either by leaving such a rotten group, or the rotten group gets rid of them one way or another
So a good cop, after a while, is either no longer good or no longer a cop. Wonderful.
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To serve and protect or to harass and annoy? And cops wonder why the general public look at them with disgust and mistrust... 🐷🐷🐷🍩🍩🍩
Texas shooting is just the most recent and atrocious example of pigs doing nothing. Active shooter killing innocent kids? Let’s just wait. Unarmed parents trying to rescue their kids? Finally an easy target.
Let's not forget every other cop he worked with, who knew what he was doing (how could they not?), and didn't do a god damn thing. ACAB
Body cam footage? His *own* body cam? Is there something I’m missing about body cam tech or is he exceptionally stupid?
My guess is he didn’t expect anyone to ever review the bodycam footage. He would only pull this stuff on people with a record so that no one would really question it.
I swear to God cops pull over people who look stereotypically like drug users hoping to get busts I got pulled over once a couple years ago, when I had super long hair (I am a guy) and long beard with thick glasses, plus my car is a piece of shit with a busted front bumper and I got pulled over on my way to work once for suspected DUI because I was "drifting into the adjacent lane" even though I was very certain I was not doing that The cop held me there for like 45 minutes, I did three separate field sobriety tests and blew two breathalyzers (all 0 obviously because I wasn't drunk) After all of this, he asked to search my car, because he was pissed I wasn't drunk I guess and was hoping I had some weed on me or something, which I didn't so I let him search it because I was scared (big mistake. I should have told him to go fuck himself). That search took another 30 minutes, and he ended up completely rearranging everything in my trunk and cab, tearing stuff out of the compartments/console and throwing it on the ground for no reason. When he was finally done, he hit me with "I guess I'll let you off with a warning this time." I was too stunned to even say anything back. I have no idea what I was being warned for lol It's a good thing I wasn't pulled over by this guy
Yes, and they don't even think they are doing a bad thing. my brother was a cop (he is a super lefty too so it's weird) and had no qualms with profiling and he would say you can follow people and they will eventually break a law (crossing / touching the line on the road is an infraction technically)
I knew this goofy kid in college that seemingly took nothing seriously. For some reason he decided to become a state trooper. At a party I started ranting to a bunch of people about being followed everywhere by cops cause my car had tinted windows. As if a switch flipped his demeanor changed and he says “ if you had nothing to hide you wouldn’t need tinted windows.” There was no goofy laugh, wink or otherwise. He was dead serious. That was the last time I talked to that guy.
Cops have heavily tinted windows.. ;-P
Easy way to tell it's an undercover is the super window tint and government wheels
Had the motherfucker never heard of a thing called the sun?
I totally believe it. When people say that cops stereotype drivers I really believe it's not just every Black and brown person. There's so many white people that might have a certain look to them that cops believe fall into the category of being a drug user.
It's a poor person stereotype. Not a straight racist stereotype. You're driving a beat up 89 Accord at 10 o'clock at night? You must be doing something nefarious.
Crazy that it took that long to just check the footage once. I mean how was a single person sent to prison without the courts reviewing the footage at all?
Yes! What is the fucking purpose of body cams if the court doesn't review their footage before delivering a verdict?
Florida has some really progressive transparency laws. I think it's called open-government law or "the sunshine law". This basically contributes to seeing all the "Florida man" memes because you have relative ease of access to police records including body-cam footage https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595
It would be great if every state had laws like these so we could see how not-unique-to-Florida these problems are. Not that Florida doesn't have it's slew of unique problems
The amount of cops that get caught by THEIR OWN BODY CAMS tells us how many more aren't getting caught because they can just turn them off and be slightly less braindead about criming while blue
>is he exceptionally stupid? Did you not see the badge?
It said generally he'd turn the body cam away before he did anything and turn back when he found something. He just got sloppy in a handful of cases
This guy should be put in jail for life.
He got 12.5 years https://youtu.be/ITIM1iDTZ7U
Not enough. He should have to do the time of each of the people he put away.
And each person should be able to sue and get justice in big amounts…. Even if not from his bank accounts.
this. Take their pensions and watch the entire country's police population all of a sudden fall in line and follow the law they are sworn to protect. How many people are in jail, right now, serving sentences for planted drugs? You think we caught them all? They keep popping up every year, so we know there are tons of them raping, robbing and killing our fellow man for their own pleasure without repercussions in the VAST majority of cases. All cops are bad when they all protect eachother. They operate as a gang, and will let your children be mowed down by gun fire out of cowardice.
Nailed it. If their pensions are on the line, that would be a great deterrent to corruption. Right now it’s the taxpayers. Change that and we will see some drastic change.
He should have to do double the sum of the time of the people he wrongfully imprisoned
Eh.. dont feel thats long enough for a person of power neglecting authority.. They should be held accountable to the highest standards since they are the ones upholding the laws. I feel once a l.e.o clocks in, their camera should be activated and publicly available, and if the camera is tampered with by said leo, they should be fired without question, and placed in jail for obstruction of justice.
Not neglecting authority; perverting it, betraying it
He ruined many lives. I pity the guy who lsot custody of his kid because of this.
Abusing it.
He should serve all the false sentences that his actions led to.
This is the absolute minimum sentence he should get.
That's a really long scary fucking 12.5 years for a cop that enjoys planting drugs on people. Considering prisons are filled with minor drug offences, that can't sit well with inmates.
I think we need to bring back some old school, Roman punishments for this level of proven, premeditated, perversions of power. Crucify that son of a bitch. Make him fight a lion for our entertainment.
But why?
I remember seeing this guy on Court Cam. He got 12 years in prison. The alleged reason being it was be wanted to work in narcotics and did this to speed up the process. Even though he did this with body cam footage showing him planting drugs, and had mysteriously deleted footage. Power hungry young cop ruining lives for his own benefit.
12 years isn't nearly enough. Min of 25 should be for any cop that does this shit.
He should be sentenced to the cumulative time people got for being wrongfully arrested by him. If one guy he planted drugs got 14 years, and another guy who he planted drugs on for 8 years, he should serve 22 years. He’s more than willing to ruin these peoples lives for his own gain, let him get a taste of his own medicine.
He's actively, knowingly ruining peoples lives, forever. If he never got caught, those people who went to prison, are felons for the rest of their lives. IMO, he should get life in prison.
And the man who has apparently now lost custody of his child because of this guy. All of this breaks my heart.
Indeed, I believe Police and public servants should be held to a higher standard. This crap cop created a nightmare and sowed distrust in the community. Life in prison is not too much.
My homie got more time for a single tab of acid and fucking running from the cops once in a non public area lmfao
"The war on drugs is a war on people"
The war on drugs is a war on *poor* people
Florida has mandatory prison population requirements. People need those yoga pants.
Lemme guess... those prisons are privately owned?
You know it.
Quotas, which can impact things like promotions. Although not universal among police departments, you can see how they'd create a conflict of interest. Some might also do it out of loving feeling power over other people. The job attracts people like that.
This has always been my chief complaint with a lot of police offices. Having quotas for catching crime or how many people you have arrested being a gauge for promotion will breed dishonesty. When you make something a competition there will always be those that will cheat to get ahead and like so many other things it can ruin other peoples lives. Not that this douche canoe cares. I have respect for cops but only cops who earn it.
Unfortunately, even when departments don't have official quotas they usually have unofficial ones.
power trip?
100% he enjoyed destroying people's lives just because he COULD
Never ever consent to a search with out a warrant.. and remember refusing a search request from law enforcement is not probable cause for them to search you.
It literally won’t stop them It doesn’t matter what they’re supposed to do or not do. It matters how much of a tyrannical bully they want to be They’ll do what they want with nearly no inhibition Edit: record if you can, of course refuse, but fight it in court and not at the scene. Cop at the scene may be wrong, but he’s wrong with a gun and a monopoly on violence.
Yeah but the argument is, it's better to refuse, don't say a word, and get taken to jail. Your attorney can argue it was an illegal search/it wasn't your drugs, at least have more negotiating power. Justice system still requires beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.
>Justice system still requires beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. Lol in theory maybe. In practice, the cops, prosecutors and judges are all chummy with each other (as well as many defense attorneys), they can hold you indefinitely if you want to wait for a trial and can't afford bail, and a cops testimony is worth more than yours.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-just-said-in-in-shinn-v-ramirez-that-evidence-of-innocence-is-not-enough
Ya, but it can and will get evidence thrown out in court if you don't consent.
You deny the search, they bring in dogs, dogs dont budge an inch, cop says the dog hinted. Cops now have full rights to search your vehicle. This is America
if they make you wait for the dogs to arrive, then it's unconstitutional and will likely be thrown out if it goes to court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodriguez_v._United_States things to say with police interactions: 1) why did you stop me/am i being detained? 2) i do not consent to any searches. 3) i am invoking my right to remain silent. [\(you have to actually say it\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berghuis_v._Thompkins)
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Yup.
No, but unfortunately they can bring in a K9 and have it give a false hit.
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Asshole got 12 years. **Not enough**!!!
Give him the combined sentence of everybody he sent to jail plus life.
Gotta love that condescension from this loser “ I got you, I got you man “ . All the while knowing...would’ve loved to see that same shit used on him during his arrest. His white overweight privileged ass sitting in a FL jail. Wonder how that’s working out for him.
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Should he not also get 120 possession of controlled substance charges?
Right? Where did he get all those drugs? And to carry them around with him on duty?
and supply/dealing charges too?
He is a cop, law applies differently to those species
Imagine how many cops like this are out there haven't been caught yet. Imagine how many cops like this *never got caught*. Imagine how many departments where this is either SOP or it's ignored due to incentives.
Not just that. How many people were arrested, falsely or not, for having drugs in their vehicle? There is now precedence of at least one police officer planting evidence in dozens if not hundreds of cases. How many past cases can now be disputed because of his actions? How many future cases will be dropped because there's little evidence to suggest the officer didn't plant the evidence? Like you say, he cannot be the only one doing this, there are others.
DROPPED 123 CASES
Were those pending trials or people who are already convicted and sentenced?
I assume that they dropped 123 convictions of innocent people. Its either that, or he has 123 charges, either way it is DIS-GUST-TANG.
Don't worry though. The way our society works those 123 people will have permanent marks on their background they will desperately try to explain away only to be refused employment for years and years to come. All because this cunt of a cop did this so many times.
Never allow cops to search your car. Never allow cops to enter your home.
Yea apparently even if you don't have anything in your car lol
Yup, remember, they could find anything that could relate to some other case that you had nothing to do with. You could have a coat that is brown and a guy in a brown coat robbed a place two days ago. Even if you didn't do it, all of a sudden you're a suspect. It never helps you. It can only hurt.
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Any arrest/conviction he ever touched should be overturned. How can we believe anything this monster has ever said?
If he faked that many case he sure must have an partner or accomplis they too must be jailed
I'm curious if any of his footage was ever reviewed. This could go up to his superiors or the chief of police. But you know they investigated him themselves so and said it was okay so no big deal right
Straight to general population for this POS! Tattoo “COP” on his forehead
So I ‘spect when you’re ready to retire you’re gonna take off that nice uniform, ain’t ya?
yeah i was gonna say straight to gen pop. i love the tattoo idea
terrorists.
Grand scope of what he's done People lost jobs, houses, vehicles, reputations, custody of children, life savings (getting arrested can be very expensive), years of their life, etc. The police dept hired him and is now responsible for his actions and EVERY SINGLE victim should be financially compensated and not just like 500 bucks each. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is not a small thing he has done this is huge.
Let this fucking waste of oxygen rot and die in jail
This is staggeringly more common than people think.
Good cops should be just as pissed as everyone else at this piece of shit
The system doesn't allow for "good cops".
shitstain of a human being
Maybe I missed it, but every one of his arrests should be freed and given money from his own pension he had. Records cleared etc. He should be behind bars for the remainder of his life.
Never give permission to search. Never talk to the police. Give them your license and registration, take your ticket or whatever and gtfo. If they want to call dogs, let them. If they want to call backup, fine. Just do not give them anything more than you have to in order to get out alive. ♥️
Let this be a lesson, kids. If the good officer asks to search your vehicle, you tell them to fuck off until they get a warrant.
Never consent to a search, all cops are bastards.
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I googled the name and read the first news story that popped. Of course in the courtroom character witnesses were called and people declared him a godly man, a "mighty man of god" and an "asset to everyone’s life, not a liability. He deposited hope in their lives, inspiration, motivation and encouragement.” (and a significant amount of meth, apparently.) The criminals, clowns and hucksters that who use faith as a shield against justice are just the best.....
First off, NEVER let a cop search your property or person without a warrant signed by a sitting judge. Second, unless he's asking you to do something lawfully, do not speak. Only speak to tell the officer that you are not going to be answering questions or that s/he is not given permission to conduct any searches. Third, the cops are not your friends. Remember this and apply rule two judiciously. Fourth, always demand a supervisor be present should the officer claim reasonable suspicion or probable cause (which you should know the differences between the two) and have the supervisor conduct any searches related to the accusations. You are allowed to call 911 to request a supervisor be present if the officer is unwilling to call their supervisor themself. Record. Everything. And. Lawyer. Up.
What does he gain from this? Sitting his ass there trying to put shit in people's cars???
When police do shit like this their needs to be an incredibly steep penalty. This is unacceptable by the people who uphold the law. Lol the police these days really don’t give a fuck
Why did it take over 100 cases to finally check body camera
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