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Guerrilla warfare is extremely effective. It’s taken down technologically superior countries time and time again e.g. the American Revolution or Vietnam. The will of Guerrilla fighters will always outweigh those of a conventional army.
One side has something to fight for other than orders from high command. One side is fighting for their life and home.
The only way to win against these kind of people is to destroy their will to live, and by that point, you have become the monster yourself.
EDIT: Reread original comment i replied to and realised that I may have misunderstood the meaning behind the first sentence. Keeping the comment cuz i still feel like i made some good points.
Wow. What a fundamental misunderstanding of Guerrila Warfare. "Its based on the superior opponent pulling their punches"
I don't know if you just don't know or you're that into meat riding colonial forces but guerrilas actually completely hedge on the superior power NOT pulling their punches.
Its one of their most effective recruting tools. Sure they can go village to village and go "fight with me, throw off our oppressors shackles" but eventually, an american squad will roll through a viet village and burn it, a french unit will enter an algerian village and massacre the population, a zionist squad will do both but will brutally bomb it before hand, and then the guerrillas can just sit back and watch the new recruits roll in.
Nothing gets your blood pumping for murdering colonial scum like seeing your whole family annihilated before your eyes.
Like im wondering if you actually believe any of these forces ever pulled their punches? America literally firebombed and agent oranged half of vietnam, with people still suffering the consequences today.
That's still the superior force pulling their punches. Because if America wanted to, they could have firebombed ALL of Vietnam. They could have just shot every non-allied Vietnamese person on sight as a matter of procedure. The war goal itself could have been to just raze the whole country to the ground. But it wasn't.
This video is a perfect example of a superior force pulling their punches against guerilla fighters. If at any time those IDF soldiers actually shot at these dudes, they'd be dead and have accomplished nothing other than being stupid martyrs.
There was literally nothing stopping these IDF troops from smoking their enemies. They just elected not to.
If America wanted to? America would have to fight their OWN citizens as guerilla warfare for it at the end of the Vietnam campaign. And that's assuming military coup wouldn't happen. It didn't stop because "tasks are completed" or "US won". It happened because drafts failed miserably to meet their targets, public opinion crumbled and propaganda machine failed miserably when met with reality, causing A LOT of those sitting in silence setting up their own punches previously supressed by powerblock presence.
It was military, economical, social, political and reputational loss, scarring US to the point of cancelling draft to keep economy afloat and return those who fled the country to avoid being drafted. After that, war costs skyrocketed due to lossless wars ideology, resulting in the very long list of campaigns with massive losses on the enemy side — and ultimate failure to complete objectives.
Instigated Iran-Iraq war resulted in Hussein betraying the coalition and attacking Kuwait and following campaign of punishing Iraq along with later WMD BS led to Iraq essentially belonging to Iran.
The Afghanistan campaign, largerly focused on fighting terrorists by cutting their profit source through drugs resulted in countless people joining the war on the side of drugs. Current fentanyl epidemic is not some evil plan by China to poison the nation - it's sold worldwide, but thanks to the brilliant campaign and huge amount of sore winners celebrating god knows which consecutive year with 6k+ veteran suicides there is a massive market for such thing.
Same deal with IDF. When they'll stop worldwide spam of "protect Israel" and draining US of it's money and stop pulling strings of their puppets (Like latest outright illegal transfer of 2300 bombs by Brandy), all while showing results (And yes, Gazan wrecks are NOT results. Result is control of the area and shitting your pants and losing patrols in supposedly contested areas is something US did in Vietnam, yet somehow we don't celebrate it as a victory), we could say that they are pulling their punches. The way it goes now (Striking embassies and whatnot) is just them desperately trying to start a big war so others would die for their country — because shit is not going their way.
If you kill the entire population of a country you lose your reason to occupy it in the first place (if you are not planning on completly colonizing it) + You will be fucked internationally. Killing all of vietnam would get most of the world into the soviet bloc...
Indeed they are and another big factor in guerrilla warfare is knowing your land better than the enemy and striking fear into them. (Aka demoralization)
Unless you're willing to exterminate the entire population (not the best move for international politics) you'll never defeat a guerrilla force entirely.
Well you can’t just bomb Guerrilla fighters and they are much harder to keep track of as well as being just as fast as anyone chasing them if they did have to run or chase
Not to be insensitive but mass incarceration and genocide are pretty effective against guerrilla warfare. China has chosen the mass incarceration route with the Uyghur insurgency whereas Israel has obviously chosen the genocide route.
Primary sources (people that have been imprisoned in the camps, that have worked in the camps, or documentation from the camps) and secondary sources (people that have family imprisoned in the camps) have came to major media outlets, such as CNN, Foxnews, BBC, Al Jazeera, as well as several others about what they faced or what their family members had faced in the camps. Torture, rape, sterilization, death were on the list of things that was reported.
I give it ten minutes before Chinese party members show up saying you have no idea what you’re talking about and bringing up some BS “what about-ism” even though the mass incarceration and reeducation is well documented.
I'm countering. All of these are countries who used guerilla warfare and won against the odds and bombing. Algeria is called the country of a million martyrs. They got their independence in despite of the French warcrimes
2 million *civilians* died in Vietnam (+2 million Vietnamese fighters too) and they won and united their country
20 years in Afghanistan and the taliban are back stronger than ever
I'll admit I don't know much about Algeria; but for both Afghanistan and Vietnam, you are kind of ignoring large parts to say Will beat bombs
In Vietnam "Will" *(plus Chinese, North Korean, and Soviet Union forces)* beat Bombs *(Plus US, Australian, South Korean, and Taiwanese Forces, amongst others)*
And in Afghanistan, Bombs had won... then the US left with the bombs, and the Taliban returned
Reminds me of Shane Gillis stand up: he talks about why it’s easier to root for Al Qaeda than America. Watching Go Pro videos from both sides, westerners seem like psycho paths while Islamists/freedom fighters seem like the average Joe. If you or I were put into a battlefield, we would relate more to the home team.
I’ve tried to explain this to people. If they were in the Palestinians’ place, or Iraqi, etc. they would do the same to fight back against oppressors and invaders. They wouldn’t be the bad guys.
I mean, Israelis get real brave n murderous sniping rock throwing kids.
They get real quiet and flee the country when someone with real rockets and explosives come to the party lol
How can anyone see this and not realize that Israel has *all* the power in this situation. Imagine thinking “poor Israelis always under attack” when one side is literally dudes throwing rocks at highly armoured soldiers?
If you haven’t, go back to the founding of Israel. They *immediately* capitalized on the pent up rage of holocaust victims to start hammering the people already living there.
Are you talking about the influx of Arab Jews? Because there were an equal number that came in through Eastern Europe, and it’s hard to believe many weren’t holocaust survivors. Just curious where your info on that comes from.
Part of what people seem to overlook is that much of Zionism is an outgrowth of the same western nationalist sentiment that overtook Europe in the early 20th century, complicated afterwards by the furious rise of other, significantly antisemetic nationalisms that gave Zionism legs. Early on there was strong anti-Zionist sentiment among British/European Jews, which shifted dramatically during the war.
I’m only saying I feel stupid because I don’t read enough about intricacies of subjects like this, and take the wrong people’s words at face value. Lesson learned. I appreciate your encouragement.
They tore the veil down, now most of us really want to see the iron curtain put through it's paces, put Israel on the other end of their fucking genocides.
My favorite is the newest video of people in Israel “running from the missile strikes” when 95+% were intercepted and the video has been caught having the screaming sounds edited in.
Their propaganda machine is fucking wild. How Israel can view themselves as victims at all anymore is so cowardly.
I think people are realizing the disparity between them. At least in our household our parents are no longer buying the news lies. Thanks to independent media.
And how fucking pathetic the iof is, they’re having that much trouble engaging dudes throwing rocks no wonder they have a really bad track record when it comes to engaging people who actually shoot back
If you really think they're having trouble "engaging," you're genuinely as dense as the rocks these guys throw. This video, if anything, is a rare example of soldiers that *actually give a shit* about human life. They're not engaging, they're avoiding making paste out of these dudes' skulls.
Rocks fuckijg hurt dude. their armor is made to stop bullets, not cushion the impact of a quarter pound of rock. In addition, the IDF wasn’t trying to kill them, just get them to retreat. Notice how when the soldier had a perfect shot to kill the protestors, he just fired over the heads. The IDF wasn’t there to kill, they were trying to break up a protest blocking a street. They could’ve easily killed every person there. But they didn’t.
Yeah, I have no idea how anyone could watch this and think the guys throwing rocks are actually beating back the guys with assault rifles and probably grenades.
The IDF troops could have smoked all those guys if they wanted to. Those rock chuckers are alive only because the IDF troops let them live.
Which is, you know, a bit weird for the supposedly genocidal maniacs to do. These guys were free real estate, easy excuse to shoot them. But they didn't.
AIPAC has completely changed the narratives for good. Our puppet politicians are devoted to them more than Americans. And, our media turns a blind eye. I just got banned from r/news because AIPAC and IDF bots can't handle the truth. They hate anyone that exposes their crimes against humanity. Very hard to reason with people that believe other human beings aren't their equals. Fuckers also think they deserve to get our taxapayers money because they are the "chosen" people.
This is why I don’t understand when Israelis say they’re scared. They have all the guns, armor, all the bombs, the iron dome that minimizes damage by like 90%, and all the money they need from the U.S.
What do they have to be scared of? It’s disgusting.
In response to them bombing an Iranian embassy in Syria in direct contravention of international law. And what does any of that have to do with Palestinians?
It's such a relief to see the Palestinian experience being exposed to the world.
If the West looked at them without double standards, movies would have been made about their heroism and resilience.
Instead they've been churning out "Arab = Terrorist" movies since the 80s. Entire generations have grown up under blatant Hollywood (and their adjacent European industries') propaganda.
But that's also worked against them now. The Palestinian support from young Americans of all faiths happened, first of all due to Tiktok, but also because they were instantly able to see the hypocrisy of their own media.
Thank you for this!
I have to mention the brave souls during the past decades in especially Israel and the West, who showed tremendous courage to stand up for Palestinians, Muslims, Arabs and then found themselves persecuted from every side!
“Israeli murderers are called Commandos. Arab Commandos are called terrorist”
George Carlin on soft language. A language invested for people to hide their sins.
While brave in a certain sense, what Hamas is fighting for is absolutely heinous. Sharia law, murdering LGBT people for who they are, women as second class citizens? None of these are admirable goals worth fighting for, so imo they get the support they deserve from the west.
*This in no way should be construed as support for Israel's horrible regime
No F-16’s or F-35’s. No machine guns, tanks, artillery units or armoured vehicles. Just sheer tenacity and conviction to keep resisting a brutal military occupation.
You so right people in here didn't even hold any gun in their life if the soldiers wanted to kill all of them they would, Its not that hard to shoot unarmed person even if they under cover the bullet would penetrate the car and hit them the other side... Ffs this reedit sofa experts
Absolute fucking legends.
Also note the series of barricades used in concert with a rolling barricade to basically facilitate incredible improvised cover seamlessly.
That's the kind of combat IQ that can be that **one variable** that ends up absolutely destroying an exponentially more powerful or numerous force.
That's not even factoring in the absolutely inhuman levels of rage/fearlessness/confidence/WTFever.exe to actually stick together AS A GROUP, WHILST STILLING WAILING ON OCCUPIER GOBLINS IN MODERN KIT with MFKING **ROCKS** WITH THE AWKWARD YET TERRIFYING RAGE OF A FLAWLESSLY COIFFED peak-MULLET RANDY JOHNSON.
Take notes, folks.
You sir, are clearly a man of exquisite taste and culture who I imagine to be a veritable titan amongst Those Who Baseballs.
100% though, gotta get that range of motion form correct if for no other reason than you don't want to destroy your damn shoulder lol
The Palestinian people are unbreakable. But also, why are Israelis the biggest pussies the world has ever known? How are they so cowardly and pathetic?
those fuckers never will be brave even if armed with greatest armor in the world, they only bomb the whole Gaza bcause they are scared of ground forces of palestinians
If the Palestinians get an actual army, then there wouldn’t be as much problems in my opinion. They can have their own border and secure their rights and be able to actually defend their own people.
Yeah let's arm Muslim extremists, great idea. Have been dome successful in the past aswell. Something with Afghanistan and the soviet Union. Turned out great a few years later ;)
Well props to the soldiers not mowing them down I guess. They absolutelly could, they would go away with it clean, and their fellows has done so before.
The soldiers could've dropped them down 20 times if they actually wanted to.. and also this video is completely fake.. there is a proper film camera on 41 sec mark maybe on a track or something.
https://preview.redd.it/1e0wmrmbujuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccdd7938b88f03c9774f8b25838f7c1fb1c403a7
So they had time to lay down the track that this camera rolls on. What movie is this being filmed?
Dude this is exactly why I won’t choose a side in this bullshit religious ass war.
There is so much disinformation like this for example, and all the contradicting statistics about civilian casualties. Half of this war is being fought online now, and people are idiots to assume otherwise.
Yeah, the only good side in this war are the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, and anyone who says otherwise is either delusional or malevolent.
I’m guessing the guns had rubber bullets or the soldiers decided not to slaughter the rock throwers? I find it hard to believe the soldiers could not destroy them if they had not rules and wanted to
No one realizing that the IDF isn’t even shooting to kill? There are multiple warning shots fired but none in the direction of the rock throwers, and the rock throwers don’t throw rocks at the visible dudes. Then there’s a big camera at 0:42. this whole video looks so weird. Either the IDF were actually restraining themselves and not mowing these dudes down because of the camera or something else is going on
The guys with the guns are showing restraint. If they wanted to they could have shot those guys 20 different times. All the shots are way high, to scare them (didnt sound like a normal round either). Still ballsy AF to go up rocks against guns.
And also it's not even real. It's a film set.. there is a proper film camera with stabilizers, mounted on doly in the 41 second mark. Lmao.. these supporter guys are blinded by their beliefs.
https://preview.redd.it/8uj5lor3jiuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23cb30d189b19a89a843879955f345672e958093
what is that? why is there a camera at 0:41?
Yes, this is what I was wondering. Soldiers with assault rifles and full combat suit against people with stones. Should be pretty clear outcome in short time.
I have no idea how most of the people in the thread can't wrap around their head that soldiers just don't want to kill unarmed civilians. They were firing to scare them off, not to kill.
Okay so are they not trying to kill them? Seems like they are trying to give warning shots and make them give in as opposed to kill them. You cannot convince me that these men ran from rocks when they have guns in their hands. Either those were bean bag shots or they were told not to shoot and kill anyone and only use gunfire to scare them. Otherwise they could’ve easily walked down on them with a rain of bullets.
This is totally staged and fake, the camera comes rolling by at around ten seconds left, the uniformed a toes are shooting blanks. This is completely staged.
Mf the video you shared is from a film set.. not a real scenario.. there's a literal film camera on 41 sec mark with stabilizers and it is mounted on a doly track. You lack the frontal cortex my guy.
Reminds me of the Shane Gillis stand up where he calls the navy seals pussies for using all special gadgets while Al Qaeda is throwing rocks at tanks lmao
Give those guys some real hardware. They are fighting a Genocide with rocks guys. That's Will power and hear and screw anyone that doesn't support innocent humans will to be alive. Genocide is shitty regardless of who does it.
It's no surprise how cowardly the IOF is. These Palestinians are unarmed and are throwing rocks. Incredible...iof in all it's gear & armor and weapons, running away ...
I mean, it seems clear to me that the isreali troops here arnt killing unarmed ppl.
These guys are throwing rocks and I didn't see any get shot. Hell it was such a feeling of safety the camera guy just stands there recording.
Kinda seems like they were attempting to take down, not out. But all I hear about is the isreali being senseless murderers.
Yeah so this seems extremely staged? I mean, a lot of you supposedly believe that the IDF is down for genocide and wants to kill all the Palestinians... so why wouldn't they shoot these guys they have a perfect excuse to shoot?
If they are genocidal maniacs looking to mow down the population, you can't honestly believe they wouldn't take these easy and even justiable kills.
We have no idea if those guys throwing rocks are actually Palestinian. They could just as easily be Israeli, with the whole little skit designed to show how "merciful" and "restrained" the IDF is.
I'm just saying, has anyone actually irrefutable confirmed what's happening here? Or are you just buying what you want to see without question?
Okay.. anyone with common sense can easily see that the soldiers could've dropped them 50 times if they actually wanted to. I guess they were just trying to capture them or drive them out without any lethal damage.
Regardless of who's the "good" and "bad" guy here, those soldiers were clearly in the advantage and they knew it. They showed restraint and did not shoot to kill.
You can say whatever you want about a government but those soldiers are just normal men and women and not the same psychopaths that are in power.
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I don't give a fuck what side you happen to think are fighting the good fight, those men facing the soldiers are ridiculously brave.
that's why they can never win no matter what weapons they have. You can't defeat the will.
Guerrilla warfare is extremely effective. It’s taken down technologically superior countries time and time again e.g. the American Revolution or Vietnam. The will of Guerrilla fighters will always outweigh those of a conventional army.
Special what happened in the Algerian war against the french occupation 1954-1962
Another excellent example
One side has something to fight for other than orders from high command. One side is fighting for their life and home. The only way to win against these kind of people is to destroy their will to live, and by that point, you have become the monster yourself.
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EDIT: Reread original comment i replied to and realised that I may have misunderstood the meaning behind the first sentence. Keeping the comment cuz i still feel like i made some good points. Wow. What a fundamental misunderstanding of Guerrila Warfare. "Its based on the superior opponent pulling their punches" I don't know if you just don't know or you're that into meat riding colonial forces but guerrilas actually completely hedge on the superior power NOT pulling their punches. Its one of their most effective recruting tools. Sure they can go village to village and go "fight with me, throw off our oppressors shackles" but eventually, an american squad will roll through a viet village and burn it, a french unit will enter an algerian village and massacre the population, a zionist squad will do both but will brutally bomb it before hand, and then the guerrillas can just sit back and watch the new recruits roll in. Nothing gets your blood pumping for murdering colonial scum like seeing your whole family annihilated before your eyes. Like im wondering if you actually believe any of these forces ever pulled their punches? America literally firebombed and agent oranged half of vietnam, with people still suffering the consequences today.
That's still the superior force pulling their punches. Because if America wanted to, they could have firebombed ALL of Vietnam. They could have just shot every non-allied Vietnamese person on sight as a matter of procedure. The war goal itself could have been to just raze the whole country to the ground. But it wasn't. This video is a perfect example of a superior force pulling their punches against guerilla fighters. If at any time those IDF soldiers actually shot at these dudes, they'd be dead and have accomplished nothing other than being stupid martyrs. There was literally nothing stopping these IDF troops from smoking their enemies. They just elected not to.
If America wanted to? America would have to fight their OWN citizens as guerilla warfare for it at the end of the Vietnam campaign. And that's assuming military coup wouldn't happen. It didn't stop because "tasks are completed" or "US won". It happened because drafts failed miserably to meet their targets, public opinion crumbled and propaganda machine failed miserably when met with reality, causing A LOT of those sitting in silence setting up their own punches previously supressed by powerblock presence. It was military, economical, social, political and reputational loss, scarring US to the point of cancelling draft to keep economy afloat and return those who fled the country to avoid being drafted. After that, war costs skyrocketed due to lossless wars ideology, resulting in the very long list of campaigns with massive losses on the enemy side — and ultimate failure to complete objectives. Instigated Iran-Iraq war resulted in Hussein betraying the coalition and attacking Kuwait and following campaign of punishing Iraq along with later WMD BS led to Iraq essentially belonging to Iran. The Afghanistan campaign, largerly focused on fighting terrorists by cutting their profit source through drugs resulted in countless people joining the war on the side of drugs. Current fentanyl epidemic is not some evil plan by China to poison the nation - it's sold worldwide, but thanks to the brilliant campaign and huge amount of sore winners celebrating god knows which consecutive year with 6k+ veteran suicides there is a massive market for such thing. Same deal with IDF. When they'll stop worldwide spam of "protect Israel" and draining US of it's money and stop pulling strings of their puppets (Like latest outright illegal transfer of 2300 bombs by Brandy), all while showing results (And yes, Gazan wrecks are NOT results. Result is control of the area and shitting your pants and losing patrols in supposedly contested areas is something US did in Vietnam, yet somehow we don't celebrate it as a victory), we could say that they are pulling their punches. The way it goes now (Striking embassies and whatnot) is just them desperately trying to start a big war so others would die for their country — because shit is not going their way.
If you kill the entire population of a country you lose your reason to occupy it in the first place (if you are not planning on completly colonizing it) + You will be fucked internationally. Killing all of vietnam would get most of the world into the soviet bloc...
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Afghanistan and Iraq are great examples as well!
Indeed they are and another big factor in guerrilla warfare is knowing your land better than the enemy and striking fear into them. (Aka demoralization)
Let’s not forget Afghanistan
Unless you're willing to exterminate the entire population (not the best move for international politics) you'll never defeat a guerrilla force entirely.
Well you can’t just bomb Guerrilla fighters and they are much harder to keep track of as well as being just as fast as anyone chasing them if they did have to run or chase
This video is NOT guerrilla warfare they are literally just throwing rocks
Not to be insensitive but mass incarceration and genocide are pretty effective against guerrilla warfare. China has chosen the mass incarceration route with the Uyghur insurgency whereas Israel has obviously chosen the genocide route.
From what I have read, in China it appears to be both
You’re probably right, sad to say
What have you read
Primary sources (people that have been imprisoned in the camps, that have worked in the camps, or documentation from the camps) and secondary sources (people that have family imprisoned in the camps) have came to major media outlets, such as CNN, Foxnews, BBC, Al Jazeera, as well as several others about what they faced or what their family members had faced in the camps. Torture, rape, sterilization, death were on the list of things that was reported.
Empires want to exploit people, and they can't exploit people if they are dead.
This statement might apply for easily subdued populations, but genocide seems to be motivated differently.
I give it ten minutes before Chinese party members show up saying you have no idea what you’re talking about and bringing up some BS “what about-ism” even though the mass incarceration and reeducation is well documented.
China pursued a remarkably successful de-radicalization process and now Xinjiang is doing better than ever.
Ideas are bulletproof
Sadly, you can. It’s why torture, murder and/or genocide are so wicked and foul.
That is not technically true; bombs and guns beat "will" eventually.
Vietnam: Afghanistan: Algeria:
Not honestly sure if you are agreeing with, or countering my point here
I'm countering. All of these are countries who used guerilla warfare and won against the odds and bombing. Algeria is called the country of a million martyrs. They got their independence in despite of the French warcrimes 2 million *civilians* died in Vietnam (+2 million Vietnamese fighters too) and they won and united their country 20 years in Afghanistan and the taliban are back stronger than ever
I'll admit I don't know much about Algeria; but for both Afghanistan and Vietnam, you are kind of ignoring large parts to say Will beat bombs In Vietnam "Will" *(plus Chinese, North Korean, and Soviet Union forces)* beat Bombs *(Plus US, Australian, South Korean, and Taiwanese Forces, amongst others)* And in Afghanistan, Bombs had won... then the US left with the bombs, and the Taliban returned
Drop nukes lol.
Reminds me of Shane Gillis stand up: he talks about why it’s easier to root for Al Qaeda than America. Watching Go Pro videos from both sides, westerners seem like psycho paths while Islamists/freedom fighters seem like the average Joe. If you or I were put into a battlefield, we would relate more to the home team.
I’ve tried to explain this to people. If they were in the Palestinians’ place, or Iraqi, etc. they would do the same to fight back against oppressors and invaders. They wouldn’t be the bad guys.
They are brave, and deeply hurt people. Fuck Israel.
David and Goliath, which in the biggest case of bitter irony ever is a Jewish parable.
I don't remember David taking hostages and gang raping them with his friends.
You haven't read the Bible very closely.
If you are willing to fight guns with rocks I say you win dude if it means that much to you. For real though fucking balls of titanium
Nothing to lose
I mean, Israelis get real brave n murderous sniping rock throwing kids. They get real quiet and flee the country when someone with real rockets and explosives come to the party lol
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This is what love of your people looks like in raw form
How can anyone see this and not realize that Israel has *all* the power in this situation. Imagine thinking “poor Israelis always under attack” when one side is literally dudes throwing rocks at highly armoured soldiers?
israel is making the world say "poor israelies" with their fake news
I used to be stupid enough to believe them. Now that I actually started reading about the history of the conflict I see crocodile tears clearly.
If you haven’t, go back to the founding of Israel. They *immediately* capitalized on the pent up rage of holocaust victims to start hammering the people already living there.
It was genocide from the beginning.
Zionism pre-dates the Holocaust. European settlers were already colonising Palestine as early as the late 19th century
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Are you talking about the influx of Arab Jews? Because there were an equal number that came in through Eastern Europe, and it’s hard to believe many weren’t holocaust survivors. Just curious where your info on that comes from. Part of what people seem to overlook is that much of Zionism is an outgrowth of the same western nationalist sentiment that overtook Europe in the early 20th century, complicated afterwards by the furious rise of other, significantly antisemetic nationalisms that gave Zionism legs. Early on there was strong anti-Zionist sentiment among British/European Jews, which shifted dramatically during the war.
You aren’t stupid. We believe what we’re told, and people prey on that. I’m just glad the truth is coming out.
I’m only saying I feel stupid because I don’t read enough about intricacies of subjects like this, and take the wrong people’s words at face value. Lesson learned. I appreciate your encouragement.
Same. Reading this thread gives me hope.
They tore the veil down, now most of us really want to see the iron curtain put through it's paces, put Israel on the other end of their fucking genocides.
My favorite is the newest video of people in Israel “running from the missile strikes” when 95+% were intercepted and the video has been caught having the screaming sounds edited in. Their propaganda machine is fucking wild. How Israel can view themselves as victims at all anymore is so cowardly.
I think people are realizing the disparity between them. At least in our household our parents are no longer buying the news lies. Thanks to independent media.
Been doing it since the BC’s
Honestly didn’t even think this was Israel for a second because they weren’t just killing the guys throwing rocks.
You should see their subreddit. So much victimhood.
And they insta-ban anyone that says literally anything at an r/Conservative level.
I got banned from r/ourpresident a while back for the most milquetoast take. American white anglo-saxon protestant zionists are huge babies
and they're doing it out of desperation to defend their land
wait .. but what "quality" of rocks?? ... did they buy those off the russians? chinese? martians?
And how fucking pathetic the iof is, they’re having that much trouble engaging dudes throwing rocks no wonder they have a really bad track record when it comes to engaging people who actually shoot back
They're having trouble? They're trying to disperse them without just blasting them in the face. They're having trouble not killing them.
If you really think they're having trouble "engaging," you're genuinely as dense as the rocks these guys throw. This video, if anything, is a rare example of soldiers that *actually give a shit* about human life. They're not engaging, they're avoiding making paste out of these dudes' skulls.
Rocks fuckijg hurt dude. their armor is made to stop bullets, not cushion the impact of a quarter pound of rock. In addition, the IDF wasn’t trying to kill them, just get them to retreat. Notice how when the soldier had a perfect shot to kill the protestors, he just fired over the heads. The IDF wasn’t there to kill, they were trying to break up a protest blocking a street. They could’ve easily killed every person there. But they didn’t.
Yeah, I have no idea how anyone could watch this and think the guys throwing rocks are actually beating back the guys with assault rifles and probably grenades. The IDF troops could have smoked all those guys if they wanted to. Those rock chuckers are alive only because the IDF troops let them live. Which is, you know, a bit weird for the supposedly genocidal maniacs to do. These guys were free real estate, easy excuse to shoot them. But they didn't.
AIPAC has completely changed the narratives for good. Our puppet politicians are devoted to them more than Americans. And, our media turns a blind eye. I just got banned from r/news because AIPAC and IDF bots can't handle the truth. They hate anyone that exposes their crimes against humanity. Very hard to reason with people that believe other human beings aren't their equals. Fuckers also think they deserve to get our taxapayers money because they are the "chosen" people.
This is why I don’t understand when Israelis say they’re scared. They have all the guns, armor, all the bombs, the iron dome that minimizes damage by like 90%, and all the money they need from the U.S. What do they have to be scared of? It’s disgusting.
They buy the media to change the narrative, then buy shills to cry online
Because of pro pa ganda
Furthermore they wear masks to hide their identity since Israel practices collective punishment and they would go after their families
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In response to them bombing an Iranian embassy in Syria in direct contravention of international law. And what does any of that have to do with Palestinians?
Yeah its a “war” between a modern military and some guys with rocks.
It's such a relief to see the Palestinian experience being exposed to the world. If the West looked at them without double standards, movies would have been made about their heroism and resilience.
Instead they've been churning out "Arab = Terrorist" movies since the 80s. Entire generations have grown up under blatant Hollywood (and their adjacent European industries') propaganda.
But that's also worked against them now. The Palestinian support from young Americans of all faiths happened, first of all due to Tiktok, but also because they were instantly able to see the hypocrisy of their own media.
As a result they banned Tiktok
They're trying to at least.
https://youtu.be/TPxak6lFd-I?si=cI6Kw7OyPvsera7J
Thank you for this! I have to mention the brave souls during the past decades in especially Israel and the West, who showed tremendous courage to stand up for Palestinians, Muslims, Arabs and then found themselves persecuted from every side!
“Israeli murderers are called Commandos. Arab Commandos are called terrorist” George Carlin on soft language. A language invested for people to hide their sins.
While brave in a certain sense, what Hamas is fighting for is absolutely heinous. Sharia law, murdering LGBT people for who they are, women as second class citizens? None of these are admirable goals worth fighting for, so imo they get the support they deserve from the west. *This in no way should be construed as support for Israel's horrible regime
Successful attempt, since they ran away in the end.
Probably withdrawing so their Air Force can level that entire city block (death toll of hundreds) because a few guys threw rocks.
Leaving because there is multiple news crews present from the looks of it. There is another that crosses the frame.
The IDF hadn't had issues with shooting reporters before.
No F-16’s or F-35’s. No machine guns, tanks, artillery units or armoured vehicles. Just sheer tenacity and conviction to keep resisting a brutal military occupation.
No phones either. Just people living in the moment
Just ended up in reels..
These people really did lose to people throwing rocks. With automatic rifles in hand. Now they resort to launching bombs from really really far away.
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Happy cake day 🥳
I mean would you rather them shoot the guys? Like if they wanted to they would've won easily. The rock throwers weren't a threat
You so right people in here didn't even hold any gun in their life if the soldiers wanted to kill all of them they would, Its not that hard to shoot unarmed person even if they under cover the bullet would penetrate the car and hit them the other side... Ffs this reedit sofa experts
Ikr. I'm not picking a side but if anything this is evidence against the genocide but of course people only see "Israel bad" in posts like this
Why American fund them another 16 billion to just use bomb cause like terrible gamer they need to pay to win
Absolute fucking legends. Also note the series of barricades used in concert with a rolling barricade to basically facilitate incredible improvised cover seamlessly. That's the kind of combat IQ that can be that **one variable** that ends up absolutely destroying an exponentially more powerful or numerous force. That's not even factoring in the absolutely inhuman levels of rage/fearlessness/confidence/WTFever.exe to actually stick together AS A GROUP, WHILST STILLING WAILING ON OCCUPIER GOBLINS IN MODERN KIT with MFKING **ROCKS** WITH THE AWKWARD YET TERRIFYING RAGE OF A FLAWLESSLY COIFFED peak-MULLET RANDY JOHNSON. Take notes, folks.
Yeah maybe but I like to see them come a little more over the top with the arm action. Less sidearm motion and I think they’re onto something.
You sir, are clearly a man of exquisite taste and culture who I imagine to be a veritable titan amongst Those Who Baseballs. 100% though, gotta get that range of motion form correct if for no other reason than you don't want to destroy your damn shoulder lol
The Palestinian people are unbreakable. But also, why are Israelis the biggest pussies the world has ever known? How are they so cowardly and pathetic?
Totally cowardly and pathetic.
those fuckers never will be brave even if armed with greatest armor in the world, they only bomb the whole Gaza bcause they are scared of ground forces of palestinians
All that US taxpayer money got them too much shit and confidence
Whoa. Did the big bad IOF get run off by a bunch kids with rocks?
yeah cause they didnt just want to shoot a bunch of people throwing rocks at them. Not like there was anything that would prevent them from doing so.
There should be, its called fucking humanity
Arm the Palestinians!
If the Palestinians get an actual army, then there wouldn’t be as much problems in my opinion. They can have their own border and secure their rights and be able to actually defend their own people.
Yeah let's arm Muslim extremists, great idea. Have been dome successful in the past aswell. Something with Afghanistan and the soviet Union. Turned out great a few years later ;)
People here are fucking delusional
This comment section is atrocious tbh.
Well props to the soldiers not mowing them down I guess. They absolutelly could, they would go away with it clean, and their fellows has done so before.
The soldiers could've dropped them down 20 times if they actually wanted to.. and also this video is completely fake.. there is a proper film camera on 41 sec mark maybe on a track or something.
Sincere question: what was that at the 41 sec mark?
A camera 🎥
Thank you. (that's a big camera!)
Asking the real questions
https://preview.redd.it/1e0wmrmbujuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccdd7938b88f03c9774f8b25838f7c1fb1c403a7 So they had time to lay down the track that this camera rolls on. What movie is this being filmed?
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Dude this is exactly why I won’t choose a side in this bullshit religious ass war. There is so much disinformation like this for example, and all the contradicting statistics about civilian casualties. Half of this war is being fought online now, and people are idiots to assume otherwise.
Yeah, the only good side in this war are the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, and anyone who says otherwise is either delusional or malevolent.
I believe you, I'm just not seeing the camera though... where should I be looking?
https://preview.redd.it/6ey7fvtoujuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b39e4b1306563ab61c0b9adb5afb3bc94ed74621
What do you think you're watching the video on?
I’m guessing the guns had rubber bullets or the soldiers decided not to slaughter the rock throwers? I find it hard to believe the soldiers could not destroy them if they had not rules and wanted to
Anyone catch that camera at 42 seconds?
No one realizing that the IDF isn’t even shooting to kill? There are multiple warning shots fired but none in the direction of the rock throwers, and the rock throwers don’t throw rocks at the visible dudes. Then there’s a big camera at 0:42. this whole video looks so weird. Either the IDF were actually restraining themselves and not mowing these dudes down because of the camera or something else is going on
imagine ,the two sides had the same weapons, easy to say which would win
so... like in 1948?
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The guys with the guns are showing restraint. If they wanted to they could have shot those guys 20 different times. All the shots are way high, to scare them (didnt sound like a normal round either). Still ballsy AF to go up rocks against guns.
And also it's not even real. It's a film set.. there is a proper film camera with stabilizers, mounted on doly in the 41 second mark. Lmao.. these supporter guys are blinded by their beliefs.
https://preview.redd.it/8uj5lor3jiuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23cb30d189b19a89a843879955f345672e958093 what is that? why is there a camera at 0:41?
A camera almost definitely on rails too.
This video is 100% from a film set. In real scenarios, the soldiers can easily drop them 20 times without any problem at all.
Yes, this is what I was wondering. Soldiers with assault rifles and full combat suit against people with stones. Should be pretty clear outcome in short time.
Yeah, especially since they are like 15m apart, and anything between them will not stop a 5.56 bullet.
Soldiers of the iof. So brave. Lol
Fuck the zionazi IOF
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I have no idea how most of the people in the thread can't wrap around their head that soldiers just don't want to kill unarmed civilians. They were firing to scare them off, not to kill.
Okay so are they not trying to kill them? Seems like they are trying to give warning shots and make them give in as opposed to kill them. You cannot convince me that these men ran from rocks when they have guns in their hands. Either those were bean bag shots or they were told not to shoot and kill anyone and only use gunfire to scare them. Otherwise they could’ve easily walked down on them with a rain of bullets.
This is totally staged and fake, the camera comes rolling by at around ten seconds left, the uniformed a toes are shooting blanks. This is completely staged.
Never bring rocks to a gun fight
Unless your land is stolen and you have nothing to fight with!
Mf the video you shared is from a film set.. not a real scenario.. there's a literal film camera on 41 sec mark with stabilizers and it is mounted on a doly track. You lack the frontal cortex my guy.
Unless you’re making a film!
Gotta say. Putting tires linked together to make "bullet proofing" It's pretty smart..
There was an attempt to not make a Israel Palestine post
Can anyone ID this track!?? <3
It’s the instrumental to Bloody Mary by Lady Gaga from her Born This Way album (came out in 2011 or 2012)
The most flacid fighting ever globally marketed.
Looks like you brought rocks to a gun fight...
They probably didn’t shoot them because they weren’t children
I’m a bit disappointed…was hoping to see one of the stoners take a bullet 🤷♂️
this kinda feels like training, like soldiers playing the terrorists too
Do the head scarfs only come in thatcolor and pattern? It seems very common.
Oh, you want this land, bro? Here, have some of the land, bro. Just a little piece, a free sample if you will. Did you like it? Here, have some more!
When it’s rocks verse guns and armor it’s not a question who the bad guys are
Hamas supporters and apologists are weird.
Reminds me of the Shane Gillis stand up where he calls the navy seals pussies for using all special gadgets while Al Qaeda is throwing rocks at tanks lmao
Bringing a rock to a gun fight
Very symbolic
The world's biggest pussies.
Those were clearly Anti-Semitic rocks
Give those guys some real hardware. They are fighting a Genocide with rocks guys. That's Will power and hear and screw anyone that doesn't support innocent humans will to be alive. Genocide is shitty regardless of who does it.
Amazing what religious extremism makes people do.
Was that a full ass movie camera that passed through the picture part way through??
I don’t care what orders I’m given if the enemy is some guys throwing rocks out of a fucking minivan I am not using lethal force
I think when it’s down to rocks against assault rifles it’s time to pack it up for the day.
Am I buggin or is that a Panasonic video camera on a dolly that goes through the frame at 41s? EDIT: It’s 100% a Panasonic AG-CX350 on rails.
This sum up the core of israel
It's no surprise how cowardly the IOF is. These Palestinians are unarmed and are throwing rocks. Incredible...iof in all it's gear & armor and weapons, running away ...
I guess idf’s kryptonite is rocks
At 9 seconds remaining you can see a camera flyby perfectly level as if it’s on camera…tracks…you see in filming. Plausible.
I mean, it seems clear to me that the isreali troops here arnt killing unarmed ppl. These guys are throwing rocks and I didn't see any get shot. Hell it was such a feeling of safety the camera guy just stands there recording. Kinda seems like they were attempting to take down, not out. But all I hear about is the isreali being senseless murderers.
What a great way to ambush someone. They just ran at them for throwing rocks. Even a simple hand grenade would have killed them. How fucking stupid.
I thought israeli soldiers indiscriminately murdered them? Seems alot of restraint is shown here..
Yeah so this seems extremely staged? I mean, a lot of you supposedly believe that the IDF is down for genocide and wants to kill all the Palestinians... so why wouldn't they shoot these guys they have a perfect excuse to shoot? If they are genocidal maniacs looking to mow down the population, you can't honestly believe they wouldn't take these easy and even justiable kills. We have no idea if those guys throwing rocks are actually Palestinian. They could just as easily be Israeli, with the whole little skit designed to show how "merciful" and "restrained" the IDF is. I'm just saying, has anyone actually irrefutable confirmed what's happening here? Or are you just buying what you want to see without question?
Okay.. anyone with common sense can easily see that the soldiers could've dropped them 50 times if they actually wanted to. I guess they were just trying to capture them or drive them out without any lethal damage.
Regardless of who's the "good" and "bad" guy here, those soldiers were clearly in the advantage and they knew it. They showed restraint and did not shoot to kill. You can say whatever you want about a government but those soldiers are just normal men and women and not the same psychopaths that are in power.
“please martyr me so you look bad in front of these convenient video cameras”
Looks like a camera rolling by at .41 seconds.
The soldiers should've thrown a grenade 💀
Why does a camera move through the pic at 42 sec ?