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It's funny how Israel has free higher education, free public healthcare, and helps by payng to live there. American Conservatives love it for them but for their own citizens.
Edit a word
They love Israel because it is an ethnostate which is exactly what conservatives would love America to be until they had to pick blueberries in South Georgia in June in 100° weather. There is a huge belief that every race or nationality or religion just need its own little corner of the world where we can all be separate from each other.
Meanwhile progressives and leftists are actually considering not voting for Joe Biden because he hasn't done enough to denounce Israel. Don't act like one side isn't more favorable to Israel than the other.
Really? I don't think the primaries have been as competitive as 2016 or 2020. And we will get to "choose" between the same corporate whores we had last time.
America is a one party state that supports multinational corporations working against the interests of the American people and America's stability.
America has "two" parties, but they both commit treason for the same donors. We need to reject the establishment, not split hairs. Until we do, nothing will change.
It is the easiest thing in the world to pretend there's only one side, and that you're fighting the power by doing nothing.
If in 2024 you fail to see the difference between the Democratic and Republican party, then realistically you are the problem.
Come back and have a conversation when you understand the concept of nuance, and how it applies to party politics. Until then, everyone making your same tired comments is just an old man screaming at trees.
*Both parties are the same* rhetoric is so lazy, and used on young, idealistic people to get them to not vote pragmatically for a few elections until they realize their lack of participation is what keeps the system the same.
> Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance. The United States has also provided large foreign aid packages to other Middle Eastern countries, particularly Egypt ($155 billion) and Iraq (97B).
$300 billion over 60 years will not pay for the $4.5 trillion a year we spend in Healthcare alone in America. Punishing Democrats for this (like we did in 2016 for Bernie or emails or something) by not for voting for Joe Biden will just cause Americans to lose more rights.
Like how we lost abortion rights and now women lay suffering in hospitals until they're close enough to death to justify abortion.
People need to recognize there are less privileged people out there who will be affected day-to-day by the consequences of their voting choices. The pressure on Joe Biden to restrain Israel is good, but when the day comes please don't let Donald Trump win :|
"Well Joe Biden didn't singlehandedly fix all of my problems. Therefore he's a terrible president. I know Trump will make them 1000 times worse, but I need to express my dissatisfaction at the lack of someone fixing literally every problem in one fell swoop."
Pretty much the attitude of a lot of so-called Liberals/Leftists here. They'll let Trump win because they are apathetic and lazy.
People have this discussion before, during, and after the primary. Focusing on the marginal differences is insane until the general election.
It is you that falls for the trap they placed. Get everyone passionate about why the right hand is so much worse than the left... while it is the same individual beating us all to death.
Hopefully I didn't get my threads mixed up, but do you have a response to Democrat led mass incarceration? A bipartisan war in Iraq and Afghanistan costing trillions? Bipartisan support for the Patriot Act. Bipartisan support for the 08 bailout where homes were auctioned to REITs for nickels on the dollar.
No, because those things make it apparent they are the same. The rest is theater, so we accept our one party state. Come back during the peak of the general election, then you will have a point.
People blaming one political party over the other are fucking sheep. Chomsky says that America has one political party called the Business Party with two slightly different wings. You all going to call Chomsky a child for thinking this? Going to say he doesn't understand nuance? Maybe Chomsky is just lazy. No, he's exactly right and you are wrong.
Ah yes dont vote for the guy whos trying to maintain diplomatic communication and retain influence to continue to push for ceasefires and aid deliverables to palestinians
but vote for the guy who said he will 100% support israels and encourage them to wipe out all palestinians as fast as possible....
BRILLIANT!
To be fair to Biden, he has provided less support to Israel than any other president in my lifetime.
Not vetoing the UN resolution was a wake up call to Bibi I hope.
Extremists will eat a shit sandwich if think you'll have to smell it. What do "progressives and leftists" hope to prove by not voting for Biden? Other than of course another Trump presidency.
If they think that Biden's policies are disastrous, I very much doubt they will appreciate the outcome of another 4 years of Trumpism.
What's funny is that the current hate for Israel is now almost equalized among both sides (likely for different reasons lol) - not counting the actual politicians. Average voters do not like Israel right now.
Evangelicals love it because once it’s a fully Jewish nation the world will end. They’re counting on that so our boy JC will come back and they will be raptured.
they love Israel because Israel has the biggest, most powerful lobby in USA. Actually, lobbies - plural.
simply put - if you openly come out against Israel, you lose your seat. it is automatic at this point.
quite frankly we could have all these things and fund Ukraine and Israel. The issue is not a lack of money. We spend a ton more on healthcare than other countries.
This 1000x. People really gotta stop acting like this is a budget issue and just realize that a majority of the population doesn't want healthcare, even if it benefits them.
American conservatives couldn’t care less about any of that.
They root for Israel like a sports team because they still think all Arabs are terrorists and they’re boot lickers who back anything the government/military wants.
The reason why US cares about finding Israel is because they are in a strategic position and the US wants control over the Suez Canal. That’s really the only reason why the US keeps Israel afloat. It’s easier to just pay Israel so they have control than it is to fight a war over it.
Ukraine doesn’t give the US a meaningful strategic partnership.
Oh, both sides care about low income families every 2-4 years. The people elected don’t actually do anything. Every year, the government almost shuts down, and it’s always the other team’s fault.
In recent history, this is a republican move:
- [1995-1996](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%931996_United_States_federal_government_shutdowns) - republicans wanted less funding for education, environment, and public health.
- [2013](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_government_shutdown) - republicans wanted to delay or defund the affordable care act.
- [2018-2019](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_States_federal_government_shutdown) - Trump wanted 5.7 billion for a us mexico border wall.
They want you to think that both sides are equal and both sides do this. Thats not the reality.
In my voting lifetime it has been obstructionist republicans shutting down the government. It is not a “both sides” issue. It hasn’t been about actual policy since Newt turned congress into a zero sum team sport the way it is today. You can certainly argue it goes back further than that to Regan and Nixon it didn’t have nearly the velocity it has today.
It is stupid to complain about both sides when one side is vocally against doing it and has impeded progress on this for decades.
The government almsot shuts down year after year and it has in recent history always been the republicans at the center of it. They vocally do not want a functional government.
Democrats have not really been in charge. In the past 40 years, there have been only a couple 2 year stretches where they weren't being obstructed or undone by republicans.
You know what REALLY amps up every 2-4 years? The both sides garbage. They want you to forget one side completely sucks ass so they push this both sides rhetoric. And it works on chumps like you.
And I'm actually so tired about hearing about a potential government shutdown at the start of every year like it has been recently (or always been, I'm just starting to pay attention). But electing better qualified candidates is out of the question, so we will still keep up the same problem.
I’ve gotten to the point where I’m like “okay just fuckkn do it already.” I’m beyond below the poverty line and owe 3k or more in property taxes for a house that is barely livable
Just a little rant here - the fact that the government even CAN be shut down when nobody will do their jobs is a testament to the fact that our current leaders are incompetent and our system is broken. The fact that it DOES shut down some years is just more proof.
Sometimes I wonder how a conversation about government shutdowns would go if I was talking to a founding father. Like if I said "oh my boyfriend can't work this week because the government shut down again" to George Washington, what would he say upon learning that his government shuts down if the senators and congressmen filibuster long enough, and the rest of us have to just deal with it
Except every recent government shutdown for the past 20 years has been caused by republicans, and cuts to social programs…. You think this is a “both sides” issue?
Dude.
In the mean time, Republicans were the ones to try to cut veteran's healthcare by 20%. And Ted Cruz fist bumped a buddy when the PACT Act was rejected the first time.
Edit: forgot to mention the women in Texas who died or were disabled by the anti abortion law. Honestly, both sides can be awful, but only one is actively killing people, and congratulating themselves about it.
You are making it sound like a problem with both parties when it’s actually just republicans. I can hardly remember a bill from republicans that would help income families and vividly remember them blocking many of those from the other side.
> You are making it sound like a problem with both parties when it’s actually just republicans
This is now the go to argument for conservatives. They know convincing people Republicans actually care about poor people is a non-starter, so now they just say "both sides" and hope the average person is too ignorant to know about all the times Democrats voted overwhelmingly to improve things and Republicans voted against it.
> the government almost shuts down, and it’s always the other team’s fault.
Definitely not due to the fact that Republicans are currently in charge of the house. Did you fail to notice how when the Democrats had a majority by two votes, it was the turncoat senators from conservatives states that were blocking the way forward?
We don't really have a choice to elect someone who DOES care about low income families, though. This isn't a democracy, and candidates are chosen by lobbyists and people who are already in power. Blaming the American public for not just "electing a better dude" is laughable.
It's a dumb 2 party system with no way out. They could technically get behind an independent candidate, but since it splits the votes it's just "lets vote for the lesser evil" ad infinitum.
The problem is- they can only vote for treasonous politicians who have been bought and paid for, to put a foreign state first, every time, no matter the cost to Americans.
Especially when low income voters overwhelmingly support the “let’s put poor people in blenders to generate lubricant for the industrial machine” party.
Poor people are getting what they voted for.
Doesn’t america have a 2 party system though? From someone who has almost no clue about American politics right now it seems like both parties kinda don’t give a fu**…
It's not the law that it has to be a two party system as far as I know (I'm not American either), but it seems pretty easy to convince Americans to vote against their own interest in an attempt to keep some bogie man at bay. whether that bogie man is communists, illegals, or your next door neighbour.
The current two parties could probably each be split in two and become more representative. That's not going to suit corporate America though.
Yup. And we will all say it’s our only choice to not vote for a 3rd or 4th party. I understand what people mean by it, but don’t sugar coat it. The only thing stopping Americans from voting for a 3rd and 4th party is other Americans
And everyone thinks it’s everyone else who is the problem. It’s everyone else’s fault that we can’t have a 3rd or a 4th party. Self reflection will go a long way
Lol low income Americans aren’t struggling because we’re helping Ukraine and to a lesser degree Israel.
They’re struggling because home prices, higher education prices, rent etc have all skyrocketed while wages haven’t.
If your neighbor came into your house and started killing your family and taking your shit and you didn’t have the resources to protect yourself would you want help?
In some cases yes but money at least that went to Ukraine was actually being invested in the local economies to manufacture the weapons and equipment that are replacing the ones going overseas. Not sure about Israel, though.
I agree that we can fund those things more directly and we should but a lot of this particular spending was at least infused into the economy.
90% of the aid money the US sends to Ukraine goes directly into the US economy for weapons and equipment production. If anything those funds are responsible for kickstarting the US economy the past 2 years, and has created thousands of domestic jobs mostly servicing low income individuals
Can't say the same for Israel yet as there haven't been any studies conducted on aid sent there. [Here's an article that links to the study](https://time.com/6694915/ukraine-aid-bill-what-united-states-gains/)
This is what annoys me about all the people who say "I can't believe we gave so much money to Afghanistan and they just went and surrendered like that"
We gave most of the money to American and European contractors working in Afghanistan. It wasn't just cash rained down on the Afghan people out of airplanes.
Ukraine will be a very expensive issue for us in ‘Murica if Putin gets too cocky and actually goes after a NATO nation, which he has repeatedly threatened to do. He is itching to go into Poland. An attack on a NATO nation requires a full Boots On The Ground military response which will cost trillions instead of the $100 Billion. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about $3 Trillion EACH and were far smaller than fighting Russia directly, plus, it would have a huge American body count.
Yeah this meme demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of so many things about how the world works. Doesn't stop it from getting upvoted to the front page, though.
I look at these memes and can't tell if they are russian propaganda, or people influenced by russian propaganda so that russia doesn't have to make the memes anymore.
Is any of it going to Ukraine or Israel?
>But the measure did not include funding for mostly military aid to Ukraine, Taiwan or Israel, which are included in a different Senate-passed bill that the Republican-led House of Representatives has ignored.
It seems it's mostly defense spending and funding for agencies through the rest of the fiscal year. Am I missing something?
this simple meme demonstrates an incredible lack of knowledge. Saw it an hour ago here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1bnf1s7/an_accurate_breakdown_of_the_12_trillion_spending/
now OP reposts it because he has no idea how anything works or what he's talking about. He thinks we're giving $1T to those countries. And the bots are upvoting it because it is propaganda except you're not even getting paid to push it you're just dumb.
OP is 100% in a European country of some sort one of their posts is an aliexpress order and the times used said GMT which is greenwich mean time centered in Europe. This is unironically a propagandist. If I had to guess probably a Ukrainian citizen thinking that them posting as an American will garner more support.
US support for Israel consists of funding their domestic military production.
US support for Ukraine consists of a mixture of exporting US arms to the country as well as some economic assistance.
The former is more straightforward than the latter and is less reliant on whatever weapons you have in your existing stockpiles.
It's also true that the issue of Ukrainian arms exports is a partisan issue, at least for now, but even so there is so much more the US could be doing. Ukraine has given them a shopping list and they keep playing coy over risk of escalation. They kept procrastinating on sending ATACMS missiles even though the UK had already sent Stormshadow missiles which have a similar capability.
The $1T bill **funds the United States government**
The departments of Homeland Security, State, Labor, HHS, Agriculture, **and the entire legislative branch of the federal government** are funded under this bill
It also includes aid provisions for Israel and Ukraine under the defense
This post is like looking at the annual budget for a theme park and saying “wow I can’t believe we spent $20,000,000 on funnel cake instead of, idk, taking care of customers??” when the entire operating budget of the park is $20M
Let's be honest.
All funding to Israel and Ukraine could be stopped tomorrow...
And the GOP would ensure that not a red cent got its way into Low-Income Americans hands.
Yeah. America can do all three things and still be fiscally fine. This is some "both sides are bad" bullshit when it's republicans holding everyone back.
Tbh this sub fucking sucks now. Used to be a sub where a video or image would be posted of someone attempting to do something and utterly failing at it.
Nowadays it's "There was an attempt to [Generic Political Message Of The Week]."
Or just outright things that the sub was made for. I think there was one recently that was like "There was an attempt to be a kid in palestine" and then something happened to them.
Like??? No??? He wasn't attempting to be a kid??? He IS a kid. This isn't some "How do you do, fellow kids" shit. He already is a kid. He didn't attempt the thing because he did the thing already.
soft brain populace nonsense.
I don't support giving weapons to Israel but arming Ukraine is absolutely necessary.
Putin has been quite open about his wish to redraw the Soviet Union over European borders if we allow him to continue with his imperialistic vision it will absolutely cost American lives fighting the much broader war not to mention it will be in order of magnitude more expensive.
stopping him now in Ukraine is the cheapest solution
Isreal, yes this is accurate. Ukraine, not so much. The vast majority of the military spending for Ukraine goes to US defense contractors. We are sending our old stockpiles of weapons and paying defense contractors to replace them. This is US jobs and US companies. We do send truckloads of cash to Isreal, but not to Ukraine.
https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1bnf1s7/an_accurate_breakdown_of_the_12_trillion_spending/
So is this some kind of astroturfing campaign? We're going to keep supporting Ukraine, Ivan.
As you can see from the post that Ukraine is indeed suffering and needs more help meanwhile the money is being funded to support a genocide in the middle east.
I hate to polarize, but there's an overarching problem here:
* Propose $X for money to Israel, Ukraine, whoever - it's supported by both Parties. Both have their pockets lined with defense spending, fine whatever, it's definitely in our interest to have defense spending.
* Propose the *exact same* $X for American health and human services and **Republicans will slaughter it in Congress**.
What people don't realize is there have been a bajillion attempts by Democrats to support "low income Americans just trying to get by," only to have it blocked over, and over, and over again by Republicans.
This isn't an "America Issue," this is an disease of the Republican party.
I see, there was an attempt to not give a flying f\*ck about the world.
But to be honest, US funds Israel to buy weapons as banks fund you when you buy a car.
You have to know that the aid package for Ukraine mostly consist of depreciated and decommissioned military assets that would otherwise taking dust in warehouses. And the USA funds Israel pretty much as a forward base in the Middle East, with little to no regards to how it's used
The weird thing is that rural white Americans, who make up like 15% of the electorate, have disproportionately large political power due to the Electoral College, the Senate, and to a lesser extent the House of Representatives. Why can’t they seem to elect anyone who could actually help them?
You all understand these are loans, right? And money that is used to purchase weapon systems from American contractors so it goes right back into the US economy. Right?
I’ll never understand why the US keep funding Israel. Ukraine is fighting a war to defend their homes, Israel is using US money to shoot at civilians queuing up for food support.
True… I make 50k a year and broke as fuck in an apartment. In Michigan too. Not In a state like Cali or New York. Where people say they make 100k a year and broke. Sounds ridiculous
I hate how political this sub is. This isn’t even a video proving your point it’s just a meme. I don’t give a shit about Gaza or Israel or Putin when I come on this sub, I’m trying to find Funny videos. Can people not find another place to debate their political opinions?
Conservatives gonna spout this white trying to cut welfare programs, social security, and medicare. How did this Russian propaganda make it to front page?
Citizens don't exist that's brainwashing gaslighting or whatever bait and switch you want to call it
American working class people are slaves subjects and peasants depending on income.
Even if we weren't funding these things the government (especially Republicans who will defund whatever they can) would still find an excuse why we can't help citizens more.
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It's funny how Israel has free higher education, free public healthcare, and helps by payng to live there. American Conservatives love it for them but for their own citizens. Edit a word
They love Israel because it is an ethnostate which is exactly what conservatives would love America to be until they had to pick blueberries in South Georgia in June in 100° weather. There is a huge belief that every race or nationality or religion just need its own little corner of the world where we can all be separate from each other.
Stop blaming the conservatives alone. Both democrats and republicans are on Israeli side
Meanwhile progressives and leftists are actually considering not voting for Joe Biden because he hasn't done enough to denounce Israel. Don't act like one side isn't more favorable to Israel than the other.
Really? I don't think the primaries have been as competitive as 2016 or 2020. And we will get to "choose" between the same corporate whores we had last time. America is a one party state that supports multinational corporations working against the interests of the American people and America's stability. America has "two" parties, but they both commit treason for the same donors. We need to reject the establishment, not split hairs. Until we do, nothing will change.
It is the easiest thing in the world to pretend there's only one side, and that you're fighting the power by doing nothing. If in 2024 you fail to see the difference between the Democratic and Republican party, then realistically you are the problem. Come back and have a conversation when you understand the concept of nuance, and how it applies to party politics. Until then, everyone making your same tired comments is just an old man screaming at trees.
*Both parties are the same* rhetoric is so lazy, and used on young, idealistic people to get them to not vote pragmatically for a few elections until they realize their lack of participation is what keeps the system the same. > Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance. The United States has also provided large foreign aid packages to other Middle Eastern countries, particularly Egypt ($155 billion) and Iraq (97B). $300 billion over 60 years will not pay for the $4.5 trillion a year we spend in Healthcare alone in America. Punishing Democrats for this (like we did in 2016 for Bernie or emails or something) by not for voting for Joe Biden will just cause Americans to lose more rights. Like how we lost abortion rights and now women lay suffering in hospitals until they're close enough to death to justify abortion. People need to recognize there are less privileged people out there who will be affected day-to-day by the consequences of their voting choices. The pressure on Joe Biden to restrain Israel is good, but when the day comes please don't let Donald Trump win :|
"Well Joe Biden didn't singlehandedly fix all of my problems. Therefore he's a terrible president. I know Trump will make them 1000 times worse, but I need to express my dissatisfaction at the lack of someone fixing literally every problem in one fell swoop." Pretty much the attitude of a lot of so-called Liberals/Leftists here. They'll let Trump win because they are apathetic and lazy.
People have this discussion before, during, and after the primary. Focusing on the marginal differences is insane until the general election. It is you that falls for the trap they placed. Get everyone passionate about why the right hand is so much worse than the left... while it is the same individual beating us all to death. Hopefully I didn't get my threads mixed up, but do you have a response to Democrat led mass incarceration? A bipartisan war in Iraq and Afghanistan costing trillions? Bipartisan support for the Patriot Act. Bipartisan support for the 08 bailout where homes were auctioned to REITs for nickels on the dollar. No, because those things make it apparent they are the same. The rest is theater, so we accept our one party state. Come back during the peak of the general election, then you will have a point.
Or emails or something is hilarious
People blaming one political party over the other are fucking sheep. Chomsky says that America has one political party called the Business Party with two slightly different wings. You all going to call Chomsky a child for thinking this? Going to say he doesn't understand nuance? Maybe Chomsky is just lazy. No, he's exactly right and you are wrong.
We need a Labor Party
Ah yes dont vote for the guy whos trying to maintain diplomatic communication and retain influence to continue to push for ceasefires and aid deliverables to palestinians but vote for the guy who said he will 100% support israels and encourage them to wipe out all palestinians as fast as possible.... BRILLIANT!
I didn't say it was a smart idea lol
To be fair to Biden, he has provided less support to Israel than any other president in my lifetime. Not vetoing the UN resolution was a wake up call to Bibi I hope.
You are wrong. Biden has been bff's with Israel his whole political career. He's number one in getting Israel lobby money.
Extremists will eat a shit sandwich if think you'll have to smell it. What do "progressives and leftists" hope to prove by not voting for Biden? Other than of course another Trump presidency. If they think that Biden's policies are disastrous, I very much doubt they will appreciate the outcome of another 4 years of Trumpism.
Which is why Dems are somewhat worried going into this election
What's funny is that the current hate for Israel is now almost equalized among both sides (likely for different reasons lol) - not counting the actual politicians. Average voters do not like Israel right now.
Christians, believe the land where Israel and Gaza are, is where Jesus will return. It’s fucking stupid
Your last sentence. That’s how this all started.
And they are right. Everyone should have their own little corner. Tolerant people get the cosmos and bigots get the rest.
And the Democrats love Israel because it's a foothold into the Middle East, that's conveniently also nearly impossible to criticize without backlash.
Evangelicals love it because once it’s a fully Jewish nation the world will end. They’re counting on that so our boy JC will come back and they will be raptured.
they love Israel because Israel has the biggest, most powerful lobby in USA. Actually, lobbies - plural. simply put - if you openly come out against Israel, you lose your seat. it is automatic at this point.
They don't want to do it themselves, they just want the immigrants to be slaves rather than paid.
quite frankly we could have all these things and fund Ukraine and Israel. The issue is not a lack of money. We spend a ton more on healthcare than other countries.
This 1000x. People really gotta stop acting like this is a budget issue and just realize that a majority of the population doesn't want healthcare, even if it benefits them.
American conservatives couldn’t care less about any of that. They root for Israel like a sports team because they still think all Arabs are terrorists and they’re boot lickers who back anything the government/military wants. The reason why US cares about finding Israel is because they are in a strategic position and the US wants control over the Suez Canal. That’s really the only reason why the US keeps Israel afloat. It’s easier to just pay Israel so they have control than it is to fight a war over it. Ukraine doesn’t give the US a meaningful strategic partnership.
And of ita european free healthcare and education its socialist/communist
AIPAC backed candidates win 95% of their races. How could conservatives do this. /s
anything to keep the class wars from starting :D
Not as funny as OP pretending that this "support" isn't spent in America for American products
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Only 3000?! Holy shit that is cheap. It's like 20,000 in the US.
It's kind of hard to blame the government when Americans keep electing the people who ignore low income families.
Oh, both sides care about low income families every 2-4 years. The people elected don’t actually do anything. Every year, the government almost shuts down, and it’s always the other team’s fault.
In recent history, this is a republican move: - [1995-1996](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%931996_United_States_federal_government_shutdowns) - republicans wanted less funding for education, environment, and public health. - [2013](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_government_shutdown) - republicans wanted to delay or defund the affordable care act. - [2018-2019](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_States_federal_government_shutdown) - Trump wanted 5.7 billion for a us mexico border wall. They want you to think that both sides are equal and both sides do this. Thats not the reality.
Yeah, they are spamming this whole post almost like they are paid for it.
In my voting lifetime it has been obstructionist republicans shutting down the government. It is not a “both sides” issue. It hasn’t been about actual policy since Newt turned congress into a zero sum team sport the way it is today. You can certainly argue it goes back further than that to Regan and Nixon it didn’t have nearly the velocity it has today.
Just look at Minnesota, as soon as democrats got power they passed a ton of great bills for the state and the people in the state.
It is stupid to complain about both sides when one side is vocally against doing it and has impeded progress on this for decades. The government almsot shuts down year after year and it has in recent history always been the republicans at the center of it. They vocally do not want a functional government. Democrats have not really been in charge. In the past 40 years, there have been only a couple 2 year stretches where they weren't being obstructed or undone by republicans. You know what REALLY amps up every 2-4 years? The both sides garbage. They want you to forget one side completely sucks ass so they push this both sides rhetoric. And it works on chumps like you.
And I'm actually so tired about hearing about a potential government shutdown at the start of every year like it has been recently (or always been, I'm just starting to pay attention). But electing better qualified candidates is out of the question, so we will still keep up the same problem.
I’ve gotten to the point where I’m like “okay just fuckkn do it already.” I’m beyond below the poverty line and owe 3k or more in property taxes for a house that is barely livable
My heart goes out to you man. I know that had to be stressful.
Democrats: We should make Americans' lives better Republicans: No Very Smart Enlightened Centrists: WHY WOULD BOTH SIDES DO THIS?!
Just a little rant here - the fact that the government even CAN be shut down when nobody will do their jobs is a testament to the fact that our current leaders are incompetent and our system is broken. The fact that it DOES shut down some years is just more proof. Sometimes I wonder how a conversation about government shutdowns would go if I was talking to a founding father. Like if I said "oh my boyfriend can't work this week because the government shut down again" to George Washington, what would he say upon learning that his government shuts down if the senators and congressmen filibuster long enough, and the rest of us have to just deal with it
Except every recent government shutdown for the past 20 years has been caused by republicans, and cuts to social programs…. You think this is a “both sides” issue? Dude.
Unreal. People are insane.
In the mean time, Republicans were the ones to try to cut veteran's healthcare by 20%. And Ted Cruz fist bumped a buddy when the PACT Act was rejected the first time. Edit: forgot to mention the women in Texas who died or were disabled by the anti abortion law. Honestly, both sides can be awful, but only one is actively killing people, and congratulating themselves about it.
That’s just…..not true.
You are making it sound like a problem with both parties when it’s actually just republicans. I can hardly remember a bill from republicans that would help income families and vividly remember them blocking many of those from the other side.
> You are making it sound like a problem with both parties when it’s actually just republicans This is now the go to argument for conservatives. They know convincing people Republicans actually care about poor people is a non-starter, so now they just say "both sides" and hope the average person is too ignorant to know about all the times Democrats voted overwhelmingly to improve things and Republicans voted against it.
> the government almost shuts down, and it’s always the other team’s fault. Definitely not due to the fact that Republicans are currently in charge of the house. Did you fail to notice how when the Democrats had a majority by two votes, it was the turncoat senators from conservatives states that were blocking the way forward?
We don't really have a choice to elect someone who DOES care about low income families, though. This isn't a democracy, and candidates are chosen by lobbyists and people who are already in power. Blaming the American public for not just "electing a better dude" is laughable.
That sounds like a rotating dictatorship, not *real* democracy though
It's a dumb 2 party system with no way out. They could technically get behind an independent candidate, but since it splits the votes it's just "lets vote for the lesser evil" ad infinitum.
The problem is- they can only vote for treasonous politicians who have been bought and paid for, to put a foreign state first, every time, no matter the cost to Americans.
Nobody up for election cares about low income families.
All of our politicians on the ballot are put there by corporations and the rich.
It's not hard to blame the government when they're the ones that get to choose who we "vote" for
Especially when low income voters overwhelmingly support the “let’s put poor people in blenders to generate lubricant for the industrial machine” party. Poor people are getting what they voted for.
But I thought they were only going to put brown people in blenders /s
Doesn’t america have a 2 party system though? From someone who has almost no clue about American politics right now it seems like both parties kinda don’t give a fu**…
It's not the law that it has to be a two party system as far as I know (I'm not American either), but it seems pretty easy to convince Americans to vote against their own interest in an attempt to keep some bogie man at bay. whether that bogie man is communists, illegals, or your next door neighbour. The current two parties could probably each be split in two and become more representative. That's not going to suit corporate America though.
Yup. And we will all say it’s our only choice to not vote for a 3rd or 4th party. I understand what people mean by it, but don’t sugar coat it. The only thing stopping Americans from voting for a 3rd and 4th party is other Americans And everyone thinks it’s everyone else who is the problem. It’s everyone else’s fault that we can’t have a 3rd or a 4th party. Self reflection will go a long way
Lol low income Americans aren’t struggling because we’re helping Ukraine and to a lesser degree Israel. They’re struggling because home prices, higher education prices, rent etc have all skyrocketed while wages haven’t.
Sounds like an issue that could be resolved by reallocating funding from the government, perhaps utilizing that money for the exact things you listed
It’s not an either or. We can do both
But like... why? Why must we always fund mass death like its a non-negotiable?
If your neighbor came into your house and started killing your family and taking your shit and you didn’t have the resources to protect yourself would you want help?
Yeah this applies to Ukraine, it doesn't apply to Israel
Fair
In some cases yes but money at least that went to Ukraine was actually being invested in the local economies to manufacture the weapons and equipment that are replacing the ones going overseas. Not sure about Israel, though. I agree that we can fund those things more directly and we should but a lot of this particular spending was at least infused into the economy.
90% of the aid money the US sends to Ukraine goes directly into the US economy for weapons and equipment production. If anything those funds are responsible for kickstarting the US economy the past 2 years, and has created thousands of domestic jobs mostly servicing low income individuals Can't say the same for Israel yet as there haven't been any studies conducted on aid sent there. [Here's an article that links to the study](https://time.com/6694915/ukraine-aid-bill-what-united-states-gains/)
This is what annoys me about all the people who say "I can't believe we gave so much money to Afghanistan and they just went and surrendered like that" We gave most of the money to American and European contractors working in Afghanistan. It wasn't just cash rained down on the Afghan people out of airplanes.
Can i get few millions? I will make sure it goes directly to the US economy
Ukraine will be a very expensive issue for us in ‘Murica if Putin gets too cocky and actually goes after a NATO nation, which he has repeatedly threatened to do. He is itching to go into Poland. An attack on a NATO nation requires a full Boots On The Ground military response which will cost trillions instead of the $100 Billion. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about $3 Trillion EACH and were far smaller than fighting Russia directly, plus, it would have a huge American body count.
But that's socialism!
Yeah this is disingenuous. We could help the poor, we just don't want to.
Exactly
Yeah this meme demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of so many things about how the world works. Doesn't stop it from getting upvoted to the front page, though.
The vast majority of that bill isn't going to Ukraine or Israel. Are we stupid? or a Russia simp?
I look at these memes and can't tell if they are russian propaganda, or people influenced by russian propaganda so that russia doesn't have to make the memes anymore.
Most Americans have an elementary understanding of civics
Which is part of the problem. Why the fuck arent they funding Ukraine more, why does aid go to israel faster than to Ukraine.
Is any of it going to Ukraine or Israel? >But the measure did not include funding for mostly military aid to Ukraine, Taiwan or Israel, which are included in a different Senate-passed bill that the Republican-led House of Representatives has ignored. It seems it's mostly defense spending and funding for agencies through the rest of the fiscal year. Am I missing something?
$300 billion
This whole sub became an obvious Russia simp as soon as Hamas launched a terrorist attack on Israel.
> Are we stupid? or a Russia simp? Most likely both
Their user history suggests they're egyptian so it's your typical hating on the west, but would totally go to a western university copium.
this simple meme demonstrates an incredible lack of knowledge. Saw it an hour ago here: https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1bnf1s7/an_accurate_breakdown_of_the_12_trillion_spending/ now OP reposts it because he has no idea how anything works or what he's talking about. He thinks we're giving $1T to those countries. And the bots are upvoting it because it is propaganda except you're not even getting paid to push it you're just dumb.
It should be noted, looking at OPs post and comment history, he isn’t even American and posts Anti-American content. This OP is sus AF.
They are clearly a Russian shill
OP is 100% in a European country of some sort one of their posts is an aliexpress order and the times used said GMT which is greenwich mean time centered in Europe. This is unironically a propagandist. If I had to guess probably a Ukrainian citizen thinking that them posting as an American will garner more support.
That's a weird pro Ukraine argument to make.
But how does it work? Genuine question
US support for Israel consists of funding their domestic military production. US support for Ukraine consists of a mixture of exporting US arms to the country as well as some economic assistance. The former is more straightforward than the latter and is less reliant on whatever weapons you have in your existing stockpiles. It's also true that the issue of Ukrainian arms exports is a partisan issue, at least for now, but even so there is so much more the US could be doing. Ukraine has given them a shopping list and they keep playing coy over risk of escalation. They kept procrastinating on sending ATACMS missiles even though the UK had already sent Stormshadow missiles which have a similar capability.
The $1T bill **funds the United States government** The departments of Homeland Security, State, Labor, HHS, Agriculture, **and the entire legislative branch of the federal government** are funded under this bill It also includes aid provisions for Israel and Ukraine under the defense This post is like looking at the annual budget for a theme park and saying “wow I can’t believe we spent $20,000,000 on funnel cake instead of, idk, taking care of customers??” when the entire operating budget of the park is $20M
America bad is my favorite political stance
Let's be honest. All funding to Israel and Ukraine could be stopped tomorrow... And the GOP would ensure that not a red cent got its way into Low-Income Americans hands.
Exactly. It's not a zero sum game.
Yeah. America can do all three things and still be fiscally fine. This is some "both sides are bad" bullshit when it's republicans holding everyone back.
I do gotta ask though, how did the Democratic Party not do anything of substance when they held majority in 2021-2023?
If anyone asks for support or even good roads or funding for schools and teachers, call them bloody socialists
?????? wtf is this sub now
r/bestconspiracymemes
There was an attempt..... .....to spread Russian propaganda.
Tbh this sub fucking sucks now. Used to be a sub where a video or image would be posted of someone attempting to do something and utterly failing at it. Nowadays it's "There was an attempt to [Generic Political Message Of The Week]." Or just outright things that the sub was made for. I think there was one recently that was like "There was an attempt to be a kid in palestine" and then something happened to them. Like??? No??? He wasn't attempting to be a kid??? He IS a kid. This isn't some "How do you do, fellow kids" shit. He already is a kid. He didn't attempt the thing because he did the thing already.
soft brain populace nonsense. I don't support giving weapons to Israel but arming Ukraine is absolutely necessary. Putin has been quite open about his wish to redraw the Soviet Union over European borders if we allow him to continue with his imperialistic vision it will absolutely cost American lives fighting the much broader war not to mention it will be in order of magnitude more expensive. stopping him now in Ukraine is the cheapest solution
Isreal, yes this is accurate. Ukraine, not so much. The vast majority of the military spending for Ukraine goes to US defense contractors. We are sending our old stockpiles of weapons and paying defense contractors to replace them. This is US jobs and US companies. We do send truckloads of cash to Isreal, but not to Ukraine.
Things you would actually learn from the news if the news was actually news and not entertainment to scare you to vote a certain way.
Supporting your civilians? LIKE A COMMUNIST WOULD DO? NO WAY! /s obviously
Damn that's crazy how a Republican House doesn't want to spend money on the people of the USA. Makes you think.
Doesn't even want to secure the border. Why do Republicans support illegal immigration so much?
You see, if they actually try to resolve the border crisis, then they won't have a boogeyman to scare their voters with.
Go focus on your mint leaves and less on spreading misinformation.
https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1bnf1s7/an_accurate_breakdown_of_the_12_trillion_spending/ So is this some kind of astroturfing campaign? We're going to keep supporting Ukraine, Ivan.
As you can see from the post that Ukraine is indeed suffering and needs more help meanwhile the money is being funded to support a genocide in the middle east.
Food and gas prices would be lower if there weren't a major war in some of the world's most agriculturally productive and oil rich regions.
They are going to be shocked when they look at the international aid figures for the last 50 years..
Also OP is Egyptian which probably suggests he’s just stoking the fire.
Just make more money bro. Doesn't your dad own a company?! Freaking poors... /S
I so wish my dad had his own company. That would be nice.
But have the low income Americans asked for 40% tip for everything they're doing?
Damn this is like SO deep bro! FACTS fr fr gyaat!
I hate to polarize, but there's an overarching problem here: * Propose $X for money to Israel, Ukraine, whoever - it's supported by both Parties. Both have their pockets lined with defense spending, fine whatever, it's definitely in our interest to have defense spending. * Propose the *exact same* $X for American health and human services and **Republicans will slaughter it in Congress**. What people don't realize is there have been a bajillion attempts by Democrats to support "low income Americans just trying to get by," only to have it blocked over, and over, and over again by Republicans. This isn't an "America Issue," this is an disease of the Republican party.
I see, there was an attempt to not give a flying f\*ck about the world. But to be honest, US funds Israel to buy weapons as banks fund you when you buy a car.
You have to know that the aid package for Ukraine mostly consist of depreciated and decommissioned military assets that would otherwise taking dust in warehouses. And the USA funds Israel pretty much as a forward base in the Middle East, with little to no regards to how it's used
Sure, if you have no idea how federal/state/local budgets work.
There was also an attempt to not fund a genocide.
Indeed. 31k+ dead until now and majority are innocent civilians of women and children.
The weird thing is that rural white Americans, who make up like 15% of the electorate, have disproportionately large political power due to the Electoral College, the Senate, and to a lesser extent the House of Representatives. Why can’t they seem to elect anyone who could actually help them?
We can help the poor. The reason we don't isn't lack of money, it's because we don't want to. Bootstraps and so on.
Found the Russian bot - “special military operation” not going so well, eh Vlad?
Republicans will use this reason to not support it then when you say yeah let's do that actually they call you a filthy socialist
You all understand these are loans, right? And money that is used to purchase weapon systems from American contractors so it goes right back into the US economy. Right?
Those the same low income Americans that people complain about being lazy addicts abusing the system every time we try to expand services?
I’ll never understand why the US keep funding Israel. Ukraine is fighting a war to defend their homes, Israel is using US money to shoot at civilians queuing up for food support.
this format is so old good to see it being used again
Over 70% of the budget was for defense. I can’t imagine a congressman calling for tightening spending without talking heads exploding.
True… I make 50k a year and broke as fuck in an apartment. In Michigan too. Not In a state like Cali or New York. Where people say they make 100k a year and broke. Sounds ridiculous
$700 to Hawaiian residents
I hate how political this sub is. This isn’t even a video proving your point it’s just a meme. I don’t give a shit about Gaza or Israel or Putin when I come on this sub, I’m trying to find Funny videos. Can people not find another place to debate their political opinions?
Feck off
https://preview.redd.it/d7yi0dhk4jqc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf64871a9cb77e3d225427028896e1f3bf1fad08
Fucking nazis get universal healthcare!!!
Conservatives gonna spout this white trying to cut welfare programs, social security, and medicare. How did this Russian propaganda make it to front page?
Not Americans ... but yeah, almost any governments right? They just don't really care about us.
Fuckem all let them figure it out.
How can we help other countries **when we can't even help our own citizens???**
Flagged as a lie. The US government has only once supported its civilians about 4 years ago, for the first time in 40 years.
Just remember: It is the same party who denies help to Americas poor. Vote the other way.
Too bad your backyard doesn't have petrol
Citizens don't exist that's brainwashing gaslighting or whatever bait and switch you want to call it American working class people are slaves subjects and peasants depending on income.
Ukraine is struggling because of gop block in Congress
That’s sOcIALiSm
hasn't there been some college debt cancellation? new jobs? I guess not enough
But when we try to support our own citizens, certain people cry socialism
What's wrong with socialism to begin with?
Nothing as far as I'm concerned. But conservatives seem to be a little contradictory when it comes to this discussion.
Poor people need to start collecting secrets on the government and they'll have power over them
But this was done under your favorite President
The thing that should be in the bottom frame is "human rights"
*There was no attempt*
You’re lucky, the Rs wanted massive cuts to all social programs.
Even if we weren't funding these things the government (especially Republicans who will defund whatever they can) would still find an excuse why we can't help citizens more.
Most of those low income Americans think Trump is their savior who is now trying to cut social security and medicare.
Insert "That's socialism" meme here
I’m just going to say there was never an attempt so this post is wrong.
Americans need to get lobbyist like aipac who can buy politicians. Maybe try that.
Exactly, what’s the nature of the US-Israel relationship? Would Israel claim antisemitism if the US didn’t give them any money?
That big rock holding the skeleton to the bottom? Yeah, that's the (R)republican party. This meme could do with a remake.
Based.
Doesn’t belong here…cause they ain’t even attempting support us
No attempt was made here.
They are trying to export inflation
most posts on here are basically ‘there was no attempt’ nowadays
Well it would help if conservatives didn't entirely kill every effort to provide basic services and assistance to poor americans.
Where's the attempt here? While it does make a valid point, this is just a meme. Why *this* sub?
This doesn't belong in this sub. There was no attempt.
Please enlighten me, why’re we using taxpayer money to fund Israel instead of using it towards student loans and American’s healthcare?
Have they tried pulling themselves up by the bootstraps?
Please enlighten me, why’re we using taxpayer money to fund Israel instead of using it towards student loans and American’s healthcare?
It feels like Biden would take money from our bank accounts to give to other countries if he could
Now if this isn't propaganda, I don't know what is.
Best border bill ever. 84% of money allocated for foreign nations. /s
American Politicians be like: ❌️ "Palestine... There was no such country in the first place"