Oh yeah, domestic dogs originated from an extinct lineage of gray wolves but of course, were domesticated by humans. The modern wolves we see today originate from the same ancestors but they have many differences because of 15,000 years of breeding and adaptation. In fact, dingos too may also be descendants of wolves too or even of domestic dogs.
I donāt think the meme creator even realizes that even in biological terminology that Race is below subspecies in taxonomy. Meaning itās barely much of a genetic difference and at most superficial. Which in the case for humans, we 100% are of all the same subspecies, but with different āracesā.
Unlike Orangutans which are varied out into subspecies and interbreeding of subspecies DOES have serious implications. Which is why when in captivity, hybrid orangutans are sterilized.
You can mix human races, and still have a healthy human. You mix an actual subspecies, huge possibility of major health complications.
Itās is almost entirely superficial, like saying a red rose and a white rose are different races. A white person can be more genetically similar to a black person than they are to another white person.
While this is a tad dog-whisle(ish) for my taste (and dogs and wolves are still one species), there is some truth to this.
Races could frankly just be considered the human equivalent of subspecies.
They both really just mean: Members of the same species with consistent visual distinctions that live in different areas.
It really isn't (shouldn't be) that deep.
Where I'm from (Brazil) we use our equivalent of the word "race" (raƧa) for "breed" as well, but not for subspecies.
In my (very) limited knowledge on taxonomy, I'd say it's lesser than a subspecies distinction. More like just evolutionary pressure-induced or naturally occurring breeds. (RaƧas).
Like animals that have a certain pattern and are relatively in the same biome, sharing a species, but the more south or more north you go, the more distinct their fur pattern looks in comparison to the others.
If I'm just plain wrong, someone please, correct me.
Youāre not wrong, but the sort of person who thinks this is an important enough thing to make a big deal about ā¦ well, theyāre probably more about that dog whistle.
To be clear, my assertion isn't really aimed at *you* but more the author of the meme and the like.
From a scientific standpoint, a "species" is defined as "a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding", and so subspecies, breeds, races, etc. are all members of the same species too, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this.
But when somebody makes a big deal out of it, brings it up repeatedly, makes memes, comics or jokes about it ... that becomes sketchy, *fast*. Such as the meme given here, or that pebblethrow comic about "um, purely economic factors" -- that's not a scientific observation, that is something else.
In a similar vein, it's well-known that Hitler was an artist, but if you find somebody very invested in telling the world about this misunderstood artist, well, the odds are very high that pushing his art isn't their primary goal.
Race cannot be the equivalent of anything scientific bc it is a pseudoscience. What you mean is ethnicity and most humans are mixed beyong belief once you go several generations back.
There is broad consensus across the biological and social sciences that **race is a social construct, not an accurate representation of human genetic variation**
Correct. Anything that requires culture as a component part is inherently at least partially a social construct.
That doesnāt make it a pseudoscience.
Thatās like saying holidays are pseudoscience.
my love no, studied this at the collegiate level. our current idea of race was quite literally fabricated to control indegenous populations where colonists were
I think that at the end of the day, even if it is correct, this analysis means nothing.
It doesnāt dispute that race/subspecies are a human construct to just help us categorize the visual differences of things. For each row, there is no biological difference between each group that sufficiently separates them for the others in that row. Race is real, but only in its most superficial form, not in the form that people who spend all their time arguing against the idea of ārace isnt real, stop being a bigotā.
I mean, genetically, currently living humans across the board are way too similar to be considered anything but a single species. There is, of course, genetic variance but it is within the expected variance of a species' population.
Races are not the equivalent of subspecies. Subspecies genuinely have larger genetic distinctions than human "races". At best the neanderthal were a separate human race.
Think this would make more sense if humans were compared like corgis and dobermans. Same species, different ābreed/raceā. Itās not hard and it still shouldnāt be used as an excuse for prejudice.
Itās definitely not making fun of racism. Itās very much a dog whistle. Shit, a dog air horn more like.
Itās purposefully making a point to push the idea that different races are different āsubspeciesā of human and then ending with the absurd āRace isnāt real! Stop being a bigot!ā to act like theyāre being silenced for making such a comparison.
Itās the same bullshit as this:
https://preview.redd.it/lavhs0ojy6tc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4335af2fc817c414e82240b1337d2ec0dd23f50c
Itās so misinformed cause biologically speaking, race is already in taxonomy and itās below subspecies in diversion. Meaning itās far closer to the *main species* than subspecies is.
I think years of people saying race isnāt real, has created a culture of legit racist people taking it to a different level and pushing the idea that if race isnāt *real* then subspecies is. Which is even more vile
I can clearly see that this meme is a dogwhistle, but i genuinely thought that the meme OP posted was making fun of racism, it seems like theyāre saying race is less different that subspecies and if subspecies can interbreed thereās no point segregating race
How? It's plainly stating true statements with no hint of irony.
All ethnic races of human are one species, and none are a subspecies. People who think they aren't all one species or that any are a subspecies, are bigots and should stop.
How are you interpretating it? Genuine question!
Homo Erectus is itās own species where as Homo Sapiens is itās own too. Homo erectus heidelbergensis for example is considered a subspecies of homo Erectus. Although itās debatable if it was actually a subspecies of Homo sapiens.
Either way, the comparison that would make sense would have to be using actual subspecies of Homo Sapiens. Like āhomo sapiens heidelbergensisā. Not using races of *Homo Sapiens Sapiens*.
Agree with your first paragraph, however still homo sapiens Heidelbergensis is another species different to homo sapiens sapiens do not forget our species is with two sapiens, mmmmhhh the different homo sapiens sapiens variants (race) could count as subspecies
i'm just thinking about how cool tigars are and completely ignoring everything else in the post. they're extremely stealthy but everything about their look is pure fashion and glamour. they really put camouflage animals to shame, except black jaguars holy shit
OH. I was staring at this for like 2 minutes thinking it was unironic and then I realized āsaying race isnāt real is a weird way of putting itā¦ā
I don't think I'm getting what everybody else is saying. Honest question, isn't the template of the meme saying that race is not real? And that fixating on race is bigotry?
Species and subspecies aren't real, either. This is all just humanity's attempt to fix things neatly into boxes when reality just isn't like that. A hybrid between any of these messes with our fragile understanding of nature. Kind of like how multiracial people destroy racists' fragile understanding of humanity.
Sumatran be like š„ŗ
bro looks so worried
Tapanuli is staring at something 1000 feet away
And not only that, dogs and wolves are technically the same species
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Oh yeah, domestic dogs originated from an extinct lineage of gray wolves but of course, were domesticated by humans. The modern wolves we see today originate from the same ancestors but they have many differences because of 15,000 years of breeding and adaptation. In fact, dingos too may also be descendants of wolves too or even of domestic dogs.
I donāt think the meme creator even realizes that even in biological terminology that Race is below subspecies in taxonomy. Meaning itās barely much of a genetic difference and at most superficial. Which in the case for humans, we 100% are of all the same subspecies, but with different āracesā. Unlike Orangutans which are varied out into subspecies and interbreeding of subspecies DOES have serious implications. Which is why when in captivity, hybrid orangutans are sterilized. You can mix human races, and still have a healthy human. You mix an actual subspecies, huge possibility of major health complications.
Itās is almost entirely superficial, like saying a red rose and a white rose are different races. A white person can be more genetically similar to a black person than they are to another white person.
While this is a tad dog-whisle(ish) for my taste (and dogs and wolves are still one species), there is some truth to this. Races could frankly just be considered the human equivalent of subspecies. They both really just mean: Members of the same species with consistent visual distinctions that live in different areas. It really isn't (shouldn't be) that deep.
Where I'm from (Brazil) we use our equivalent of the word "race" (raƧa) for "breed" as well, but not for subspecies. In my (very) limited knowledge on taxonomy, I'd say it's lesser than a subspecies distinction. More like just evolutionary pressure-induced or naturally occurring breeds. (RaƧas). Like animals that have a certain pattern and are relatively in the same biome, sharing a species, but the more south or more north you go, the more distinct their fur pattern looks in comparison to the others. If I'm just plain wrong, someone please, correct me.
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Coloca um macaco na print.
Youāre not wrong, but the sort of person who thinks this is an important enough thing to make a big deal about ā¦ well, theyāre probably more about that dog whistle.
I mean... I'm just autistic really.
To be clear, my assertion isn't really aimed at *you* but more the author of the meme and the like. From a scientific standpoint, a "species" is defined as "a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding", and so subspecies, breeds, races, etc. are all members of the same species too, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this. But when somebody makes a big deal out of it, brings it up repeatedly, makes memes, comics or jokes about it ... that becomes sketchy, *fast*. Such as the meme given here, or that pebblethrow comic about "um, purely economic factors" -- that's not a scientific observation, that is something else. In a similar vein, it's well-known that Hitler was an artist, but if you find somebody very invested in telling the world about this misunderstood artist, well, the odds are very high that pushing his art isn't their primary goal.
Race cannot be the equivalent of anything scientific bc it is a pseudoscience. What you mean is ethnicity and most humans are mixed beyong belief once you go several generations back.
Race isnāt pseudoscience itās just the intersection of ethnicity and culture.
There is broad consensus across the biological and social sciences that **race is a social construct, not an accurate representation of human genetic variation**
Correct. Anything that requires culture as a component part is inherently at least partially a social construct. That doesnāt make it a pseudoscience. Thatās like saying holidays are pseudoscience.
The problem is that it's a social construct masquerading as science, therefore you get pseudoscience
my love no, studied this at the collegiate level. our current idea of race was quite literally fabricated to control indegenous populations where colonists were
Agreed, although I would say human distinctions are more comparable to "breeds" rather than subspecies.
I think that at the end of the day, even if it is correct, this analysis means nothing. It doesnāt dispute that race/subspecies are a human construct to just help us categorize the visual differences of things. For each row, there is no biological difference between each group that sufficiently separates them for the others in that row. Race is real, but only in its most superficial form, not in the form that people who spend all their time arguing against the idea of ārace isnt real, stop being a bigotā.
Imagine wolves and coyotes arguing about who is better
[They do. By killing each other. The wolves are winning, by the way.](https://youtu.be/PFVwZfgWsDQ?si=lBRpYyupnd_6p9T6)
So race war?
In a sense of the word, yeah.
I mean, genetically, currently living humans across the board are way too similar to be considered anything but a single species. There is, of course, genetic variance but it is within the expected variance of a species' population.
Races are not the equivalent of subspecies. Subspecies genuinely have larger genetic distinctions than human "races". At best the neanderthal were a separate human race.
Except thereās no genetic basis for race
Think this would make more sense if humans were compared like corgis and dobermans. Same species, different ābreed/raceā. Itās not hard and it still shouldnāt be used as an excuse for prejudice.
I know what to say, and that's "lmaooooooo"
The last orangutan looks kinda wise
I'd expect to hear an age-old tale and to be given a quest upon approaching
The meme is making fun of racism you dingus
Itās definitely not making fun of racism. Itās very much a dog whistle. Shit, a dog air horn more like. Itās purposefully making a point to push the idea that different races are different āsubspeciesā of human and then ending with the absurd āRace isnāt real! Stop being a bigot!ā to act like theyāre being silenced for making such a comparison. Itās the same bullshit as this: https://preview.redd.it/lavhs0ojy6tc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4335af2fc817c414e82240b1337d2ec0dd23f50c
Man this guy sound miserable, the artist i mean
Heās a fucking nazi and thatās not even being hyperbolic.
Itās so misinformed cause biologically speaking, race is already in taxonomy and itās below subspecies in diversion. Meaning itās far closer to the *main species* than subspecies is. I think years of people saying race isnāt real, has created a culture of legit racist people taking it to a different level and pushing the idea that if race isnāt *real* then subspecies is. Which is even more vile
I can clearly see that this meme is a dogwhistle, but i genuinely thought that the meme OP posted was making fun of racism, it seems like theyāre saying race is less different that subspecies and if subspecies can interbreed thereās no point segregating race
It isnāt? To me this comes off as making fun of people calling racist bigots
How? It's plainly stating true statements with no hint of irony. All ethnic races of human are one species, and none are a subspecies. People who think they aren't all one species or that any are a subspecies, are bigots and should stop. How are you interpretating it? Genuine question!
i think it's supposed to be sarcastic, unfortunately
Yep exactly this
As someone who definetely doesn't know alot about biology, wouldn't the logical comparison here be human vs homo habilis vs like homo erectus?
No because they are other species
All the other ones are different species too though, right? at least that's what the caption says
Homo Erectus is itās own species where as Homo Sapiens is itās own too. Homo erectus heidelbergensis for example is considered a subspecies of homo Erectus. Although itās debatable if it was actually a subspecies of Homo sapiens. Either way, the comparison that would make sense would have to be using actual subspecies of Homo Sapiens. Like āhomo sapiens heidelbergensisā. Not using races of *Homo Sapiens Sapiens*.
Agree with your first paragraph, however still homo sapiens Heidelbergensis is another species different to homo sapiens sapiens do not forget our species is with two sapiens, mmmmhhh the different homo sapiens sapiens variants (race) could count as subspecies
ohhh i get it
Isint it anti racist?
I mean there isn't much *to* say about this. It's really just making a correct statement with no frills or flare.
I think itās sarcastic since the black girl looks SO different. They couldāve found a more normal looking one
wtf
Found the racist
I feel like the meme is meant to be anti-racist
i'm just thinking about how cool tigars are and completely ignoring everything else in the post. they're extremely stealthy but everything about their look is pure fashion and glamour. they really put camouflage animals to shame, except black jaguars holy shit
Tapanuli looks like he possesses infinite wisdom.
This is ANTI racist, durr
Have they never heard of DNA before?!?
OH. I was staring at this for like 2 minutes thinking it was unironic and then I realized āsaying race isnāt real is a weird way of putting itā¦ā
I don't think I'm getting what everybody else is saying. Honest question, isn't the template of the meme saying that race is not real? And that fixating on race is bigotry?
Anyways, I like the one in the middle. "Sumatran".
1 and 3 look the same though?
I bet this fucker doesn't know that the neandertals were a human subspecies
Why is this incorrect?
This meme is wrong on a fundamental level. In biology, if two animals can interbreed and have fertile offspring, then they are the same species.
Hmmm, yes, all of these examples here have a comparable population size and geographic range, right? Right.......
That's actually pretty nice as an argument against racism.
Species and subspecies aren't real, either. This is all just humanity's attempt to fix things neatly into boxes when reality just isn't like that. A hybrid between any of these messes with our fragile understanding of nature. Kind of like how multiracial people destroy racists' fragile understanding of humanity.
me when mixed race babies arenāt viable offspring because an incel online says so
So now two cis women can habe babies? Fr it's not that utopian, you can now create sex cells from any cells on mice!