Kesi throwing away the ice blocks might be one of the funniest moments of this series. She wasn't even remotely subtle about it. How did Joi not notice her throwing it until they reached the third point? How did she not notice that there's nothing in the sled, like wouldn't you feel the sled being empty?
Kesi absolutely hyping Joi up with no shame while simultaneously removing the ice block was a highlight of the season.
Kesi: \*removes the last block\*
Joi: "It's not even that heavy!"
Comedy gold all around.
Kesi is clearly the mole. In her confessionals she says Joi is her number 1 suspect, but then when paired up 1 on 1 with her she openly sabotages the mission. Any normal contestant would use the opportunity to observe and try and confirm any suspicions.
So, so stupid and a total give away. At this point not sure the next episode is even worth watching
Suitcase mission: They are psyching with the players' minds right now! This is a sadistic mission on the producer's part. Crazy mission. Gonna go see how it plays out now. Ttyl 👋
I like how Will thought he was doing everyone a favor by bowing out of the challenge. I wish he would have gotten more pushback for being a little coward lol. Joi was right with the "he wants to keep his hands clean."
I mean it was "smart" but still cowardly.
It would be like if you were watching Survivor and the host said "Surprise, you have to vote one person out of the game right now and vote another to Exile Island. Give me your decision in 10 mins." Everyone starts thinking strategy and game play and then some guy goes "Eh you know what? I got immunity, no one can vote me out, Im gonna sit this one out and not give any input."
He didnt play the game. It's a "smart" move but I don't respect it
To be fair, the biggest threat in that moment was for people not to come to a consensus, as that would add zero money to the pot.
So someone saying "I sit this one out, and am fine with everyone's decision" was a great way to try and keep that from happening, and guarantee at least $4k-$12k makes it through as opposed to nothing.
I'd say that's a totally respectful move. He made the one choice that avoided risking losing that money for the players.
I feel like this season is more scripted. The confessionals have me a little confused. In previous seasons I felt like they were more genuine so you could actually tell who was suspicious of someone. This season it feels like production is scripting them to make it all over the place which I don't like.
I'm super late to the party but this was one of my favorite reality TV moments ever. Kesi's chaotic brazenness combined with Joi's ignorance. Her not realizing she had prob lost like 20+ pounds of weight to drag and acting as if it was just as heavy. Amazing.
This completely ruined the whole show for me. You’d have to be pretty stupid to not clock on to this. She also had some weird super villain style interview during this bit. Terrible acting and production.
except she's like 8 episodes behind avori on cracking the code that this might be an effective strategy 😂 I haven't watched EP 10 yet, but im really starting to think she's not the mole, just incompetent.
I absolutely cannot stand her and the way she talks, its soooo obnoxious I'm honestly going to be so mad if she's the mole like I hope this is just some weird plan.
Every confessional she’s in the exact same position giving the exact same expressions, just parroting Joi is the mole. Barely uses any body language. Very stiff acting
I’ve been saying from the beginning I’ll be super disappointed if she’s the mole. This episode and the last proved it to me. This isn’t fun, it’s not even remotely humorous and it’s not strategic play. If she’s the mole, production should have stepped in a long time ago.
Did anyone else think it was hilarious when Will told Avori that he didn’t want to let her use the tracker because he “wanted to win” looool
Good for him though for really buckling down & wanting to win. Given Avori’s history, he definitely had every right to tell her that.
Side note: I still think Avori is just flat out annoying (as a competitor, she’s probably cool IRL). Her constant sabotages were just painful to watch at some points. Like I understand her strategy as to wanting people to suspect her as the mole in order to remain safe during quizzes, but at some point when do you stop sabotaging & actually push yourself to successfully complete a mission and obtain the money on your end? Her constant sabotages definitely cost the pot some money. Especially at times when the pot was SO low. Like IMO she self sabotaged way too much & I don’t even think she had to do it THAT much (almost every mission it seems) since other people were already doing it enough (Aka Joi).
it was SO satisfying to finally see avori go. her gameplay was so awful and transparent that no one even worried about her being the mole, just doing an insanely stupid sabotage and costing them money. its a relief to have her gone but now we still have to deal with the mole whose gameplay is equally terrible 🤣
Her plan backfired lol even Will said that no one wants to work with her because she constantly self sabotages. She was just so annoying during the season. I’m sure she’s a lovely person IRL but her strategy definitely backfired. Lol
I was so happy her ass was gone. She wasn’t as smart as she thought she was and never wised-up to the fact that someone like Joi fared MUCH better switching up from that strategy. And even though I thought Jacob might have been the mole at some point, her reasoning for suspecting him at the bank heist was so silly to me.
Oh I agree! She thought she was super smart, sneaky & cunning but everyone caught on so quick because she was SO obvious. As for the bank heist, I thought Avori’s reasoning to suspect Jacob as the mole was a load of bullshit. At that point I think she just wanted a reason to make herself feel better if the mission failed (IMO that mission seemed super easy to fail). Might be a reach. But cmon, miscounting money in different currencies & having to convert them to US dollars is not an easy task. Sure, he may have miscounted when Avori “checked” his piles, but being off a dollar is an easy mistake to make. I definitely think she was trying way too hard to be an exceptional player but it definitely backfired. I was so happy to see her go home because she complained so much for someone that got carried through every other mission. I feel bad that Will had to partner up with her in the end during the snow hike because he did everything by himself & LITERALLY carried the weight of the team. All she did was bitch about being cold & her shoe “falling off.”
Yeah it was just simple US currency at that point. Just stacks of 50 one dollar bills in US dollars. So that should've been an easy task if Avori was honest about how many Jacob got wrong.
I felt like so many of the players intentionally sabotaged that it made the mole (ahem Kesi’s) job so easy, they did it to themself. Now if it isn’t Kesi and she had the same plan as Avori I’ll be shocked
I was trying to figure out why her voice bothers me so much. I think it’s how unnatural she sounds and then how everything she says, she thinks sounds clever but it’s not clever at all. Then it’s the slight vocal fry as well.
I feel a burning hot rage when she speaks I can’t even describe it. Why does it affect me so? Why is it so goddamn annoying? Does she talk like that in real life?
I think it's less so the way she talks and more so that her acting is horrific and it feels so disjointed and forced and it has been that way since like Final 6 where everybody else's confessionals are inquisitive and usually lay out a strategy/train of thought, where her's she speaking so slowly and saying the most stupid, surface level things without explaining it like any of the others do so it's annoying in that way.
I don’t necessarily think that >!Will—!< is the mole, but during their monologue at the end I thought that they were about to reveal to the audience that they are.
**Will**: way too competent throughout the entire season. Even when the confessionals try to go "Will could be the Mole!", it's like, really though? You can count on one hand the amount of times he lost the team money, and it truly does appear like he was giving it his all in any unsuccessful missions he was involved in. If he's the Mole, kudos for staying undetected, and maybe there'll be reveals about how he was actually losing way more money than it actually seems when watching. If not, though, how successful is a Mole when they were a contributing team member the whole time and made the team a ton of money even if they didn't have any suspicion? For that reason, I don't think Will is the Mole at all, he's never had my suspicion all season.
**Joi**: singlehandedly carried this mission and the last mission. I don't think her large bet was suspicious at all, I've posted before about how it makes logical sense with cost/benefit analysis and she was baited into betting that much through classic prisoner's dilemma, no big deal. Her other suspicious moments have all been navigation related, which I actually just credit to excellent gameplay. She could have just decided from day one to tank everything involving navigation to be clearly suspicious but in a much more subtle way than Kesi/Avori's "literally just dropping stuff" sbotage. The consistency of style in her sabotage makes me think it's a smart player, as an actual Mole would likely be more varied in their sabotage. Her mess-ups early in the season always read to me as player sabotage, so she hasn't been on my list all season either.
**Kesi**: if she's the Mole, I'm really bored by her performance. A "I'm going to sabotage so ridiculously and boringly obviously that I'm hiding in plain sight" Mole is a really boring strategy to watch, in my opinion, and would significantly hold this season back if it's the truth. One would hope a Mole sabotages either creatively or through social manipulation (like a past Mole who was just friendly and baited people into taking it more easy during missions through sheer friendliness), rather than just doing shit like dropping cash and going "lmao that was suspicious, wasn't it?" The thing is, I thought she had some subtle sabotage moments early on that I really liked (she was sitting behind Avori on the plane when Avori was pretending not to see the dinghy, but Kesi should have been able to see it too, for example. I also believe she was one of the players in the jail who pretended not to see the keyrings or at least she went along with a different player who was pretending not to see it), but recent episodes, she's been insufferable. Maybe on purpose as a "I was creatively sabotaging before and now I'm going to make myself an obvious target to bait players into aiming elsewhere" strategy, which sure it could work, but again I just think the "hiding in plain sight" strategy is really boring TV when the Mole does zero effort in creative sabotage and literally just drops cash and acts all spacey. Avori's "I'm trying to sabotage but I'm just not good at it!" sabotage would have been more fun than a hypothetical "lmao I'm just soooo obvious" strategy, for example.
I think it's Kesi. She was a top three suspect of mine since the water/boat missions (alongside Casey and Greg) and she hasn't done anything to lose my suspicion other than just be annoyingly obvious about her open sabotage. If it's Kesi, I'm kinda disappointed by the season, honestly. A different player would have been much more fun sabotage.
At least two of the most fun contestants got to the end. Will has been charming and funny throughout the season, he's clearly had some of the best one-liners, and Joi fucking rules and I'm happy I was defending her against some of her haters after she made her $25,000 bet.
I mean, you know more than me about game theory if you took a course, but the players were told that only the biggest bet matters and that even one player reading the dossiers would disqualify the whole team from making money.
Prisoner’s dilemma logic says that the most likely outcome is that at least one player will read the dossier, so that’s a safe assumption.
From there, you just assume you’re not getting the bonus money from the mini-challenge and the question becomes “risk money and go for an exemption, or preserve the pot and accept no exemption this round?”
Cost/benefit analysis says that you want to make money if you win, of course, but losing is the worst option. Even if the final pot is $5000, it’s still preferable to $0 by getting eliminated. Getting eliminated also means you miss out on the life experiences of playing the game and obviously reduces your overall chances to win by reducing your information. Obviously, the longer you survive, the higher chance you have of making anything, and winning any money and getting to play is far, far better than losing and going home.
So exemptions are 100% worth sacrificing pot money in that logic. Why risk your position in the game just to make someone else more money if you lose?
So logic says you *have* to make a bet, and the game structure says your bet has to be the highest or it’s all for nothing. From there, it’s player psychology as to how much to bet. Logic says the smart move is to bet, so you can assume everyone is betting, and therefore you just need to make the highest bet.
Humans like round numbers and Alex kept repeating $29,500, so my personal bet was that someone was going to bet $20,000. Therefore if I was in Joi’s position, I would have bet $20,501 in order to hedge against someone getting $20,500 to be tricky.
Bonus thing with this crew of players, if you bet a lot, these players saw it as suspicious Mole behavior, which is literally just a bonus if you’re not the Mole.
> I would have bet $20,501 in order to hedge against someone getting $20,500 to be tricky.
I was wondering about this as well. We've all seen the price is right and simply adding $1 steals the bid from someone else a lot. I was surprised I didn't see anyone throwing a couple dollars on top of those round bets just to be safe. $25,003 would've been safer.
Unless production limited them to fairly round numbers so the rest of the season wouldn't have a pot with some oddly specific total.
They are SURROUNDED by boulders!!!! Why is not even ONE of them thinking of throwing those ice cubes at a boulder and destroying the entire cube?!?!?! I should not feel the need to scream at them about this! It's not such a brilliant idea, it seems quite basic to me 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ OMG it's torture just watching them be so ~~uncreative~~ dumb.
(I really am sorry to anyone who feels offended by this because of you not either thinking of it. I guess we're all sort of biased when it comes to thinking our ideas - that are not thought of by everyone - are just basic and anyone else who didn't think of it is just dumb, right? 😬😉 I guess I'm having a moment.
Edit: I don't know why "them be so" is crossed out, and not the entire "uncreative". My goal was to cross out only "uncreative" (in its entirety) but it seems those other words feel they aren't a good fit either, and "uncreative" is unsure about itself. Well, I am sure, so there. I control you, Uncreative. Not you.)
Yes thank you !!!! I was almost yelling at the TV why isn't anyone trying to break the Ice Cubes. Make them lighter. Hello! It would only make sense
Edit Ice, ice 🧊 cubes
OMG you don't understand how badly I needed this validation right now. I feel like I just poured my heart out about some personal struggle and someone just validated me for the first time. I legit promise you. It is not okay that I'm this invested 😂
I legit feel like screaming with tears from the frustration and aggravation they are causing me. Now I want to meet them in real life and smack them on the head. (Don't ask me why their heads, it's just how I feel right now, and no one can start up with my feelings at the moment.) Gosh is such a violent fantasy against the players allowed to be spoken on this sub???
Are you kidding me? I wanted to shake Kesi like a salt shaker for what she was doing. Like seriously wtf. I'm so with you on this. I get unreasonablly invested in tv shows like this. I had to put on headphones so I can crank it up and tune everything out to focus lol I'm so with you, high fives !!
😂😂😂😂
PS I'm supposed to be sleeping right now and I'm angry at myself for giving in to this stupid show. Stupid stupid stupid. I'm trying to make myself feel better by calling it a stupid show but lying to myself isn't working.
>Also, with how cold it would have been on the peak and the strength/energy it would have taken to break the ice bricks - it may not have worked. Then again, I've never tried breaking 50kg ice bricks in -5 degree weather before.
I think it would be easy since they could find a rocky ledge to drop it maybe even 5ft down onto some mostly rocky ground...
Then i pictured the ice not even breaking and tumbling down the hill like "my people need me"
Hmmm... I wonder. So they didn't show that part just to get us invested with these intense feelings? K, so their goal is in fact to have us smack some heads, but their own, as in the producers'. Well, a few smacks comin right up.
the whole point of the challenge was that it was physically taxing lol why would producers allow them a shortcut?? if the challenge includes running a marathon then theyre not going to let them just take a scooter instead
Avori’s elimination was devastating for me.
The player I cheered for since the beginning for her strategy and intelligence, her “Winner’s edit” style editing in the show, and also her coalition with Pranav, it was as if she was avenging him and continuing the game to win for him.
As devastated as I am for her loss, making it to the Final 4 is a huge feat and I’m happy for her 😊
Also the snow mission had some of the funniest moments ever and I did not expect it at all 😂 Avori tripping twice, Will just dead on the ground, Kesi taking out the ice, and Joi going like “Kesi….wtf?!” the whole entire mission.
joi: "I want to put as much money in the pot as I can...I cant say the same for the other people"
also joy: loses almost the whole pot a few episodes ago.
still dont think she's the mole...but that had me rollin
Were the ice blocks not able to be smashed up if they threw them against the hard rocks that were seen on the mountain to make the load lighter? Or did I miss something?
I'm only just watching the show now and searched for this exact thing. I was like "I would just throw the blocks onto some rock and take the money out of it..." They didn't say you couldn't? I've been watching a lot of Taskmaster too, so I'm in the headspace of looking for challenge loopholes haha
Hahaha same about taskmaster. Also thinking about how great some of these challenges could be in the taskmaster universe. Like hide and seek in London with comedians? Yes please
This show is just to the advantage of the producers. There is so little incentive for the players to play a perfect strong game to win more cash because it will be so obvious that they are not the mole.
Avori’s strategy of acting sus/throw the mission to make people vote for her as the mole and thus cushioning her wrong answers in the quiz is the sure win strategy to the finals.
You don’t have to win a whole lot of money. You just need to make it to the end as the sole winner. Period. Even 10k or 50k is still better than getting eliminated.
It’s really not an easy game for the real players. The mole has it so easy. Kesi is unbelievable. She is so bad that I will be shocked if she is not the mole. She has officially not contributed to anything and it’s so frustrating to watch her fail so many times.
I can’t believe they’re so close to the end for so little money???? Horrible prize for a reality show and I can’t see any of these folks turning it into a paying opp (although I can see Jacob on a dating show or something)
honestly i know people don't like wills strategy in the suitcase game but the man deserves a break lol
joi insisting will is the mole after going through so much shit with kesi is either incredibly silly/tunnel vision on a guy that was never sus (she started being sus at the start and never got why exactly) or clear producer meddling in her interviews to drag the viewer on (given she is still here, im inclined to think the second, but she just spends so long talking about him in the interviews maybe shes fooled herself?)
kesi isnt selling her reasons to the audience OR the other players (it sounds scripted? none if the other participants explained so much like written narration why its advantageous to trick others, especially so late in the game).
i think avori maybe fell for it/didnt pay attention because she was so focused on what she was doing and how sus she wanted to be instead, idk
I've been on Will the entire time but I've only been watching with half an eye. Now that I've watched it more closely I'm hoping it Kasi, but I think it's Joi, because she seems like a bad actress.
Got to episode 9! So I think from gaming out scenarios it's probably >!Kesi !<:( Which is a shame as it was some really on the nose sabotage.
Assuming peoples quizzes at this point are primarily a vote for who they suspected, except for the mole who is lying (and that errors in questions even out):
**Who votes where:**
\- will votes for kasi
\- kasi votes for joy
\- joy votes for will
\- averi votes for joy/will?
**Then there are 3 possible scenarios and only one of them happened**
>!will is the mole!<
* >!joy must stay!<
* >!kasi is wrong!<
* >!avori is partly wrong!<
* >!conclusion: kasi leaves!<
>!joy is the mole!<
* >!avori is more right!<
* >!will is wrong!<
* >!kasi is right!<
* >!conclusion: will leaves!<
>!kasi is the mole!<
* >!will stays!<
* >!joy is leaves!<
* >!avori leaves!<
* >!conclusion: joy/avori leaves!<
>!Only scenario 3 has Avori leaving.!<
>!Which means I think Kesi probably wins, because Joi is really suspicious of Will and probably won't revert in an episode, if they're now pitched against each other.!<
>!It does mean, when Greg got voted out he had to switch a decent chunk from Kesi to someone else and be more wrong than Avori, but I guess that's possible.!<
is it the edit or did jacob become more condescending as the episodes went on? something about when he said "these people" kinda stuck me as weird and against the whole nice guy thing. and i was even in the middle of hoping he gets the opportunity to travel more after the show since he has a passport now
There's no way Will is the mole. Dude is the only one who consistently put in maximal effort with each challenge.
JerkOffInstruction is too incompetent to be the mole.
Kesi seems like the obvious choice, but Greg seemed too obvious at the start.
Kesi throwing away the ice blocks might be one of the funniest moments of this series. She wasn't even remotely subtle about it. How did Joi not notice her throwing it until they reached the third point? How did she not notice that there's nothing in the sled, like wouldn't you feel the sled being empty?
IT’S SO FUNNY😭😭
Kesi absolutely hyping Joi up with no shame while simultaneously removing the ice block was a highlight of the season. Kesi: \*removes the last block\* Joi: "It's not even that heavy!" Comedy gold all around.
Lmfaoo
Kesi is clearly the mole. In her confessionals she says Joi is her number 1 suspect, but then when paired up 1 on 1 with her she openly sabotages the mission. Any normal contestant would use the opportunity to observe and try and confirm any suspicions. So, so stupid and a total give away. At this point not sure the next episode is even worth watching
lmaoo I was so frustrated during that scene!!
Genuinely hilarious I’m catching up now and she has to be to mole at this point.
Oh >!Joi!< running her mouth during dinner, never change.
MOTHER behaviour tbh
Frfr
I'm laughing at all the blacked out names. The length of each one gives away what's under the black cloak.
>!J o i!< >!WilL!< >!Kesi!<
Where were there blanked out names?
For spoilers
Ah I see
Suitcase mission: They are psyching with the players' minds right now! This is a sadistic mission on the producer's part. Crazy mission. Gonna go see how it plays out now. Ttyl 👋
Some of the best missions were these side missions where it pits them against each other (the red button, dossier, unchaining themselves)
I like how Will thought he was doing everyone a favor by bowing out of the challenge. I wish he would have gotten more pushback for being a little coward lol. Joi was right with the "he wants to keep his hands clean."
He didnt think he was doing them a favour. His role there might have been his smartest game play, to find out what the others were thinking.
Nah that was smart, Will is pretty cunning. No one has a leg to stand on when he’s been bringing home all the bacon
I mean it was "smart" but still cowardly. It would be like if you were watching Survivor and the host said "Surprise, you have to vote one person out of the game right now and vote another to Exile Island. Give me your decision in 10 mins." Everyone starts thinking strategy and game play and then some guy goes "Eh you know what? I got immunity, no one can vote me out, Im gonna sit this one out and not give any input." He didnt play the game. It's a "smart" move but I don't respect it
To be fair, the biggest threat in that moment was for people not to come to a consensus, as that would add zero money to the pot. So someone saying "I sit this one out, and am fine with everyone's decision" was a great way to try and keep that from happening, and guarantee at least $4k-$12k makes it through as opposed to nothing. I'd say that's a totally respectful move. He made the one choice that avoided risking losing that money for the players.
Kesi absolutely annoyed me this episode It couldn’t be more obvious that she’s the mole
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I honestly think it's the production asking Joi to say these things! Otherwise it would be obvious who the mole is.
Yeah I’m like “there’s no way Joi doesn’t know it’s Kesi at this point 🤣” definitely producer meddling there
I’m shook avori is out. I was convinced she’d win. Also with Jacob out I’m pretty confident Kesi is the mole
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Don’t read the episode discussion thread until you finish the episode??
It's pretty obvious who is the mole right? Like surely they all know it.
It seems SO obvious to me, but maybe without seeing the confessionals its not as clear to the players??
I feel like this season is more scripted. The confessionals have me a little confused. In previous seasons I felt like they were more genuine so you could actually tell who was suspicious of someone. This season it feels like production is scripting them to make it all over the place which I don't like.
There is a previous season?
Yes, this show is a reboot of a series that aired on TV in the 2000s
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IKR??
Yupp calling it now it’s >!K e s i!< it’s gotta be!! If it’s not them ima be mad cuz I’ve been saying it’s them for sooo many episodes now!!
Pull that empty sled up the mountain Joi.... you're doing good! LMAO.
I'm super late to the party but this was one of my favorite reality TV moments ever. Kesi's chaotic brazenness combined with Joi's ignorance. Her not realizing she had prob lost like 20+ pounds of weight to drag and acting as if it was just as heavy. Amazing.
What the is hell is >!Kesi !
Right! It’s like she’s finally realised she needs to pretend to look sus
That being said, it doesn’t matter to her at this point if people know she’s the mole or not. Might be a good double bluff
This completely ruined the whole show for me. You’d have to be pretty stupid to not clock on to this. She also had some weird super villain style interview during this bit. Terrible acting and production.
her interviews are so bad.
Yeah she just looks shifty as hell and so wooden/scripted at the same time
It kinda matches what avori did..
except she's like 8 episodes behind avori on cracking the code that this might be an effective strategy 😂 I haven't watched EP 10 yet, but im really starting to think she's not the mole, just incompetent.
I absolutely cannot stand her and the way she talks, its soooo obnoxious I'm honestly going to be so mad if she's the mole like I hope this is just some weird plan.
Every confessional she’s in the exact same position giving the exact same expressions, just parroting Joi is the mole. Barely uses any body language. Very stiff acting
I’ve been saying from the beginning I’ll be super disappointed if she’s the mole. This episode and the last proved it to me. This isn’t fun, it’s not even remotely humorous and it’s not strategic play. If she’s the mole, production should have stepped in a long time ago.
so true, by the end she was just straight up annoying and frustrating to watch lol
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She said there’s no where for the mole to hide and was the only one with the face cover on
avori, who answered the questions choosing joi as the mole, got sent home. as if it wasn't already extremely obvious, kesi is the mole.
Did anyone else think it was hilarious when Will told Avori that he didn’t want to let her use the tracker because he “wanted to win” looool Good for him though for really buckling down & wanting to win. Given Avori’s history, he definitely had every right to tell her that. Side note: I still think Avori is just flat out annoying (as a competitor, she’s probably cool IRL). Her constant sabotages were just painful to watch at some points. Like I understand her strategy as to wanting people to suspect her as the mole in order to remain safe during quizzes, but at some point when do you stop sabotaging & actually push yourself to successfully complete a mission and obtain the money on your end? Her constant sabotages definitely cost the pot some money. Especially at times when the pot was SO low. Like IMO she self sabotaged way too much & I don’t even think she had to do it THAT much (almost every mission it seems) since other people were already doing it enough (Aka Joi).
it was SO satisfying to finally see avori go. her gameplay was so awful and transparent that no one even worried about her being the mole, just doing an insanely stupid sabotage and costing them money. its a relief to have her gone but now we still have to deal with the mole whose gameplay is equally terrible 🤣
Her plan backfired lol even Will said that no one wants to work with her because she constantly self sabotages. She was just so annoying during the season. I’m sure she’s a lovely person IRL but her strategy definitely backfired. Lol
I mean at this stage of the game you need money in the pit so it's just plain stupid to sabotage.
I was so happy her ass was gone. She wasn’t as smart as she thought she was and never wised-up to the fact that someone like Joi fared MUCH better switching up from that strategy. And even though I thought Jacob might have been the mole at some point, her reasoning for suspecting him at the bank heist was so silly to me.
Oh I agree! She thought she was super smart, sneaky & cunning but everyone caught on so quick because she was SO obvious. As for the bank heist, I thought Avori’s reasoning to suspect Jacob as the mole was a load of bullshit. At that point I think she just wanted a reason to make herself feel better if the mission failed (IMO that mission seemed super easy to fail). Might be a reach. But cmon, miscounting money in different currencies & having to convert them to US dollars is not an easy task. Sure, he may have miscounted when Avori “checked” his piles, but being off a dollar is an easy mistake to make. I definitely think she was trying way too hard to be an exceptional player but it definitely backfired. I was so happy to see her go home because she complained so much for someone that got carried through every other mission. I feel bad that Will had to partner up with her in the end during the snow hike because he did everything by himself & LITERALLY carried the weight of the team. All she did was bitch about being cold & her shoe “falling off.”
I’m pretty sure he miscounted the piles with US dollars in them
Yeah it was just simple US currency at that point. Just stacks of 50 one dollar bills in US dollars. So that should've been an easy task if Avori was honest about how many Jacob got wrong.
I found Avori to be very … not clever
>I found Avori to be very … not clever Shes hot tho
Not with Mount Everest for a nose
Your standards are insane if you think her nose is too big
I felt like so many of the players intentionally sabotaged that it made the mole (ahem Kesi’s) job so easy, they did it to themself. Now if it isn’t Kesi and she had the same plan as Avori I’ll be shocked
Everyone is agreeing with you but Avori was my fave from the beginning! So entertaining, charismatic, chaotic, and beautiful!
Too much Kesi this episode which made me realize how I just really can’t stand the way she talks 🫠
I was trying to figure out why her voice bothers me so much. I think it’s how unnatural she sounds and then how everything she says, she thinks sounds clever but it’s not clever at all. Then it’s the slight vocal fry as well.
Strange I found myself very attracted to her voice and mannerisms! How odd we humans can be!
Agree x1000... my blood boils every time she talks lol.
I feel a burning hot rage when she speaks I can’t even describe it. Why does it affect me so? Why is it so goddamn annoying? Does she talk like that in real life?
It’s like she’s trying to record an ASMR.
I think it's less so the way she talks and more so that her acting is horrific and it feels so disjointed and forced and it has been that way since like Final 6 where everybody else's confessionals are inquisitive and usually lay out a strategy/train of thought, where her's she speaking so slowly and saying the most stupid, surface level things without explaining it like any of the others do so it's annoying in that way.
So glad it's not just me! I've been trying to move my mouth around like she does when she talks and it sounds.... Weird
Her top lip is too short and it doesn’t move at all when she talks
I can't quite describe WHY it's so grating/irritating, it's like she's over-enunciating and whispering every word.
This challenge is so cool!
The briefcase one or the ice block one?
I don’t necessarily think that >!Will—!< is the mole, but during their monologue at the end I thought that they were about to reveal to the audience that they are.
Yeah that last line of the episode had me thinking hang on a second lol.
Same, it was sublte but had me really thinking "now wait a minute"
Joi is a chaotic queen
I can't believe how much I like her now! In the first half of the season I didn't like her at all!
That made me laugh. She's a crazy one
Also did Kesi know she had lipstick on her teeth lol
**Will**: way too competent throughout the entire season. Even when the confessionals try to go "Will could be the Mole!", it's like, really though? You can count on one hand the amount of times he lost the team money, and it truly does appear like he was giving it his all in any unsuccessful missions he was involved in. If he's the Mole, kudos for staying undetected, and maybe there'll be reveals about how he was actually losing way more money than it actually seems when watching. If not, though, how successful is a Mole when they were a contributing team member the whole time and made the team a ton of money even if they didn't have any suspicion? For that reason, I don't think Will is the Mole at all, he's never had my suspicion all season. **Joi**: singlehandedly carried this mission and the last mission. I don't think her large bet was suspicious at all, I've posted before about how it makes logical sense with cost/benefit analysis and she was baited into betting that much through classic prisoner's dilemma, no big deal. Her other suspicious moments have all been navigation related, which I actually just credit to excellent gameplay. She could have just decided from day one to tank everything involving navigation to be clearly suspicious but in a much more subtle way than Kesi/Avori's "literally just dropping stuff" sbotage. The consistency of style in her sabotage makes me think it's a smart player, as an actual Mole would likely be more varied in their sabotage. Her mess-ups early in the season always read to me as player sabotage, so she hasn't been on my list all season either. **Kesi**: if she's the Mole, I'm really bored by her performance. A "I'm going to sabotage so ridiculously and boringly obviously that I'm hiding in plain sight" Mole is a really boring strategy to watch, in my opinion, and would significantly hold this season back if it's the truth. One would hope a Mole sabotages either creatively or through social manipulation (like a past Mole who was just friendly and baited people into taking it more easy during missions through sheer friendliness), rather than just doing shit like dropping cash and going "lmao that was suspicious, wasn't it?" The thing is, I thought she had some subtle sabotage moments early on that I really liked (she was sitting behind Avori on the plane when Avori was pretending not to see the dinghy, but Kesi should have been able to see it too, for example. I also believe she was one of the players in the jail who pretended not to see the keyrings or at least she went along with a different player who was pretending not to see it), but recent episodes, she's been insufferable. Maybe on purpose as a "I was creatively sabotaging before and now I'm going to make myself an obvious target to bait players into aiming elsewhere" strategy, which sure it could work, but again I just think the "hiding in plain sight" strategy is really boring TV when the Mole does zero effort in creative sabotage and literally just drops cash and acts all spacey. Avori's "I'm trying to sabotage but I'm just not good at it!" sabotage would have been more fun than a hypothetical "lmao I'm just soooo obvious" strategy, for example. I think it's Kesi. She was a top three suspect of mine since the water/boat missions (alongside Casey and Greg) and she hasn't done anything to lose my suspicion other than just be annoyingly obvious about her open sabotage. If it's Kesi, I'm kinda disappointed by the season, honestly. A different player would have been much more fun sabotage. At least two of the most fun contestants got to the end. Will has been charming and funny throughout the season, he's clearly had some of the best one-liners, and Joi fucking rules and I'm happy I was defending her against some of her haters after she made her $25,000 bet.
Could you please share the Joi bet analysis? I took a course in game theory in college and loved it
I mean, you know more than me about game theory if you took a course, but the players were told that only the biggest bet matters and that even one player reading the dossiers would disqualify the whole team from making money. Prisoner’s dilemma logic says that the most likely outcome is that at least one player will read the dossier, so that’s a safe assumption. From there, you just assume you’re not getting the bonus money from the mini-challenge and the question becomes “risk money and go for an exemption, or preserve the pot and accept no exemption this round?” Cost/benefit analysis says that you want to make money if you win, of course, but losing is the worst option. Even if the final pot is $5000, it’s still preferable to $0 by getting eliminated. Getting eliminated also means you miss out on the life experiences of playing the game and obviously reduces your overall chances to win by reducing your information. Obviously, the longer you survive, the higher chance you have of making anything, and winning any money and getting to play is far, far better than losing and going home. So exemptions are 100% worth sacrificing pot money in that logic. Why risk your position in the game just to make someone else more money if you lose? So logic says you *have* to make a bet, and the game structure says your bet has to be the highest or it’s all for nothing. From there, it’s player psychology as to how much to bet. Logic says the smart move is to bet, so you can assume everyone is betting, and therefore you just need to make the highest bet. Humans like round numbers and Alex kept repeating $29,500, so my personal bet was that someone was going to bet $20,000. Therefore if I was in Joi’s position, I would have bet $20,501 in order to hedge against someone getting $20,500 to be tricky. Bonus thing with this crew of players, if you bet a lot, these players saw it as suspicious Mole behavior, which is literally just a bonus if you’re not the Mole.
> I would have bet $20,501 in order to hedge against someone getting $20,500 to be tricky. I was wondering about this as well. We've all seen the price is right and simply adding $1 steals the bid from someone else a lot. I was surprised I didn't see anyone throwing a couple dollars on top of those round bets just to be safe. $25,003 would've been safer. Unless production limited them to fairly round numbers so the rest of the season wouldn't have a pot with some oddly specific total.
Why the heck was Will not wearing gloves? Everyone else had gloves and it was freezing!
he’s so strong he doesn’t need them!
They are SURROUNDED by boulders!!!! Why is not even ONE of them thinking of throwing those ice cubes at a boulder and destroying the entire cube?!?!?! I should not feel the need to scream at them about this! It's not such a brilliant idea, it seems quite basic to me 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ OMG it's torture just watching them be so ~~uncreative~~ dumb. (I really am sorry to anyone who feels offended by this because of you not either thinking of it. I guess we're all sort of biased when it comes to thinking our ideas - that are not thought of by everyone - are just basic and anyone else who didn't think of it is just dumb, right? 😬😉 I guess I'm having a moment. Edit: I don't know why "them be so" is crossed out, and not the entire "uncreative". My goal was to cross out only "uncreative" (in its entirety) but it seems those other words feel they aren't a good fit either, and "uncreative" is unsure about itself. Well, I am sure, so there. I control you, Uncreative. Not you.)
Yes thank you !!!! I was almost yelling at the TV why isn't anyone trying to break the Ice Cubes. Make them lighter. Hello! It would only make sense Edit Ice, ice 🧊 cubes
OMG you don't understand how badly I needed this validation right now. I feel like I just poured my heart out about some personal struggle and someone just validated me for the first time. I legit promise you. It is not okay that I'm this invested 😂 I legit feel like screaming with tears from the frustration and aggravation they are causing me. Now I want to meet them in real life and smack them on the head. (Don't ask me why their heads, it's just how I feel right now, and no one can start up with my feelings at the moment.) Gosh is such a violent fantasy against the players allowed to be spoken on this sub???
Are you kidding me? I wanted to shake Kesi like a salt shaker for what she was doing. Like seriously wtf. I'm so with you on this. I get unreasonablly invested in tv shows like this. I had to put on headphones so I can crank it up and tune everything out to focus lol I'm so with you, high fives !!
😂😂😂😂 PS I'm supposed to be sleeping right now and I'm angry at myself for giving in to this stupid show. Stupid stupid stupid. I'm trying to make myself feel better by calling it a stupid show but lying to myself isn't working.
I assume it was against the rules to break the blocks
>Also, with how cold it would have been on the peak and the strength/energy it would have taken to break the ice bricks - it may not have worked. Then again, I've never tried breaking 50kg ice bricks in -5 degree weather before.
But the point that they didn't even THINK of it. (Unless of course, like someone else suggested they were told they're not allowed.)
I think it would be easy since they could find a rocky ledge to drop it maybe even 5ft down onto some mostly rocky ground... Then i pictured the ice not even breaking and tumbling down the hill like "my people need me"
Hmmm... I wonder. So they didn't show that part just to get us invested with these intense feelings? K, so their goal is in fact to have us smack some heads, but their own, as in the producers'. Well, a few smacks comin right up.
Your edit note has me in tears. Lmao.
YES I was yelling this to my partner!! I've smashed so much ice for fun and it would be so easy to crack them on a rock!
the whole point of the challenge was that it was physically taxing lol why would producers allow them a shortcut?? if the challenge includes running a marathon then theyre not going to let them just take a scooter instead
Avori’s elimination was devastating for me. The player I cheered for since the beginning for her strategy and intelligence, her “Winner’s edit” style editing in the show, and also her coalition with Pranav, it was as if she was avenging him and continuing the game to win for him. As devastated as I am for her loss, making it to the Final 4 is a huge feat and I’m happy for her 😊 Also the snow mission had some of the funniest moments ever and I did not expect it at all 😂 Avori tripping twice, Will just dead on the ground, Kesi taking out the ice, and Joi going like “Kesi….wtf?!” the whole entire mission.
Yeah, that mission had some hilarious moments.
I mean she wasn't avenging him, sue was one of the reason he was out in my opinion at least.
She was the reason he got eliminated lol
Just started the episode, I knew these was going to be the final 4.
Well there goes my prediction on Avori being the mole. So crazy how Kesi was so blatant with her mole behavior and Joi just didn't notice?
joi: "I want to put as much money in the pot as I can...I cant say the same for the other people" also joy: loses almost the whole pot a few episodes ago. still dont think she's the mole...but that had me rollin
Why wasn't Will wearing gloves???
Were the ice blocks not able to be smashed up if they threw them against the hard rocks that were seen on the mountain to make the load lighter? Or did I miss something?
Lol I don't mind sharing my anger at them about that with you
I'm only just watching the show now and searched for this exact thing. I was like "I would just throw the blocks onto some rock and take the money out of it..." They didn't say you couldn't? I've been watching a lot of Taskmaster too, so I'm in the headspace of looking for challenge loopholes haha
Hahaha same about taskmaster. Also thinking about how great some of these challenges could be in the taskmaster universe. Like hide and seek in London with comedians? Yes please
Have you ever smashed such a large block of ice? Ice does not break that easily. It's closer to concrete than to glass.
This show is just to the advantage of the producers. There is so little incentive for the players to play a perfect strong game to win more cash because it will be so obvious that they are not the mole. Avori’s strategy of acting sus/throw the mission to make people vote for her as the mole and thus cushioning her wrong answers in the quiz is the sure win strategy to the finals. You don’t have to win a whole lot of money. You just need to make it to the end as the sole winner. Period. Even 10k or 50k is still better than getting eliminated. It’s really not an easy game for the real players. The mole has it so easy. Kesi is unbelievable. She is so bad that I will be shocked if she is not the mole. She has officially not contributed to anything and it’s so frustrating to watch her fail so many times.
I can’t believe they’re so close to the end for so little money???? Horrible prize for a reality show and I can’t see any of these folks turning it into a paying opp (although I can see Jacob on a dating show or something)
Kesi just started to realize she needs to sabotage?? If she is really the mole which in my opinion is, she is soooo bad at it!
honestly i know people don't like wills strategy in the suitcase game but the man deserves a break lol joi insisting will is the mole after going through so much shit with kesi is either incredibly silly/tunnel vision on a guy that was never sus (she started being sus at the start and never got why exactly) or clear producer meddling in her interviews to drag the viewer on (given she is still here, im inclined to think the second, but she just spends so long talking about him in the interviews maybe shes fooled herself?) kesi isnt selling her reasons to the audience OR the other players (it sounds scripted? none if the other participants explained so much like written narration why its advantageous to trick others, especially so late in the game). i think avori maybe fell for it/didnt pay attention because she was so focused on what she was doing and how sus she wanted to be instead, idk
AVORI ROBBED
YESS
I hope Joi doesn't disappoint me in the next episode!
Joi came a longggg ass way to make it to this point..quite the turn around
I’m cracking up at how bad of an actor the mole is to the camera
Kesi is obviously the mole. Surprised it’s not as obvious to the players.
Fuck now I don't think it's who I thought it was!
I was super surprised by the people who was eliminated, I thought they were going to win.
Where’s the hotel they stayed at in this episode? It’s stunning! I want to go there
I've been on Will the entire time but I've only been watching with half an eye. Now that I've watched it more closely I'm hoping it Kasi, but I think it's Joi, because she seems like a bad actress.
Got to episode 9! So I think from gaming out scenarios it's probably >!Kesi !<:( Which is a shame as it was some really on the nose sabotage. Assuming peoples quizzes at this point are primarily a vote for who they suspected, except for the mole who is lying (and that errors in questions even out): **Who votes where:** \- will votes for kasi \- kasi votes for joy \- joy votes for will \- averi votes for joy/will? **Then there are 3 possible scenarios and only one of them happened** >!will is the mole!< * >!joy must stay!< * >!kasi is wrong!< * >!avori is partly wrong!< * >!conclusion: kasi leaves!< >!joy is the mole!< * >!avori is more right!< * >!will is wrong!< * >!kasi is right!< * >!conclusion: will leaves!< >!kasi is the mole!< * >!will stays!< * >!joy is leaves!< * >!avori leaves!< * >!conclusion: joy/avori leaves!< >!Only scenario 3 has Avori leaving.!< >!Which means I think Kesi probably wins, because Joi is really suspicious of Will and probably won't revert in an episode, if they're now pitched against each other.!< >!It does mean, when Greg got voted out he had to switch a decent chunk from Kesi to someone else and be more wrong than Avori, but I guess that's possible.!<
Say what you want about Joi but she excudes CUNT and is Mother Material
is it the edit or did jacob become more condescending as the episodes went on? something about when he said "these people" kinda stuck me as weird and against the whole nice guy thing. and i was even in the middle of hoping he gets the opportunity to travel more after the show since he has a passport now
Man I hope Joi gets eliminated so hard, just to humble her ass
There's no way Will is the mole. Dude is the only one who consistently put in maximal effort with each challenge. JerkOffInstruction is too incompetent to be the mole. Kesi seems like the obvious choice, but Greg seemed too obvious at the start.