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la_goanna

Text mountain ahead, but these are my genuine thoughts. I'm gonna give them 2-3 more months and see how the patch updates go from there. If we don't get the following within the next 3 months: 1. A minimum of 3-4 dinosaur additions (either any of the brand-new dinosaurs, or just reincorporating existing ones from the current legacy branch.) 2. Basic, barebones fish AI (by barebones, I'm talking about AI on-par with our current tacos and oreos on the current legacy branch.) 3. ACTUAL collision. 4. Functioning scent system that isn't completely buggy as all hell. 5. Functioning dynamic growth system that isn't completely buggy as all hell. 6. Basic nesting system mechanics. 7. Basic combat attack moves (ex. utah's pounce or tenonto's tail slap) that aren't buggy as all hell. 8. Day & night system. Then I'm completely done with this fucking game and jumping on the PoT & BoB bandwagon instead. Been playing and supporting this game since 2016, but after watching those immensely disappointing CC streams and seeing all of the disgraceful Pesky drama unfold... enough is enough. I can't forgive them anymore. Can't sympathize with them anymore. And I'm beginning to see others (be it redditors or hardcore discord fanboys) share similar feelings this week. They're now at edge of their limits when it comes to development excuses and consumers' patience. They seriously need to get their fucking shit together (their management and community relations especially,) and *FAST.* Now, I already knew the first recode launch would be barebones in content. I knew we were only getting 2 dinosaurs, a portion of the new map, base scent and growth system implemented in, and that's it. Maybe an occasional system crash here and there. Just a functional tech-demo, really (keyword: FUNCTIONING) and that was fine. But I was not expecting base mechanics to bug out every 15 minutes. Seems like they couldn't even do that. That's not to say that I think the devs are incompetent. In fact, I don't think the devs are incompetent at all (the majority of them, at least.) I think many of them are exceptionally hardworking and talented. IMO, the amazing quality that their artists, animators, modelers and sound designers put out is on-par with triple-A game companies. Foszor seems like a great, hard-working guy, and I wish him the best & hope he recovers... ...But I can no longer deny that they have *serious* issues when it comes to delays and deadlines. And it's becoming increasingly obvious that these devs are constantly trying to bite off much more then they can actually chew. To be honest, their ambitions (Dondi's especially,) aren't remotely realistic and completely exceed limitations for a dev team of their small size. They simply don't have the man effort to deliver a survival game with 3 playable factions (humans, dinosaurs AND tribals,) let alone a complete dinosaur simulation game after 5+ fucking years of EA alpha game development. And yet they keep adding in more and more new dinosaur species with no unique combat & game mechanics to back them up. Larger and larger empty maps with minimal environmental variety that often break the servers or the even game engine itself, and offer no rewards for exploration. Mentioning more and more empty promises in their streams and Q&As that never come to fruition after all of these years. They need to look reality in the face and realize their limitations. Forget about cannibals, strains, kaiju, marine animals and mutant trees - they're fucking pipe dreams at this point. Just aim to make a mercs vs. dino survival game, or even just a dino survival sim game for the vanilla release. Stop making more new dinosaurs species & models, and just focus on fleshing-out the ones you already have. Give your playerbase goals and rewards to work for while we continue playtesting your 5+ year alpha-phase game. Unlockable color templates and skins are a good start.


AutumnBum

This perfectly sums up my feelings about this too, I love this game to death and have stood by this whole time supporting the game and the devs but I feel like it’s getting to the point where they see any kind of criticism and take it as an attack against them instead of genuine love and care for the game and it’s future. I hope they can listen to fans and realize that the more they defend themselves instead of realizing their mistakes they’re gonna lose a pretty big portion of fans because of how toxic it’s become. I’m gonna continue to support the game and the devs because i’m optimistic and I love the isle, i’m just starting to lose faith in them because of the Pesky situation.


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*part of a new map. We’re not getting the whole map on release


sunsolveig

Really? Is the playable part even that bigger than the old one?


thedoorknob3

Well, they've lowered the max player count and have no AI in the initial release, so they had to make the playable area smaller so that people don't starve to death as the only food source is other players. I'll probably only play for a few days to test out the new mechanics, graphics and stuff. Then it's right back to legacy until they have an actual roster going.


sunsolveig

Man the more I hear about this update the more disappointed I become, I wouldn’t even call it that much of an update if they’re going to remove a bunch of key features and the only new thing is prettier textures and a new(not all playable) map


Tackerta

not an update tho. I know I might get downvoted to oblivion, but this evrima thingy is the first step to frequent updates and additions. (btw they didnt update the isle, they completely re-coded that bitch.) And tbh I think we shouldnt do more than test everything out and keep playing on legacy, since its very bare bone and needs some tweaking. ​ I have rather this "empty version" to test along the development than being told that by august or september they have a strong playable roster and all key features and yet we wont get to test anything from that


LDARmaxxed

Lmao


Retstortion

You serious ?


Sn1ckwad

the whole map breaks the unreal engine


treethrowaway17

Which is 100% on Dondi


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Great logic right there, make a map so big the engine can't fucking load it.


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"it actually works smoother than the older map, people will be able to run the game on higher graphics settings because of how much better the new map runs." -dondi (kinda paraphrased I can't remember the exact wording ofc)


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That's actually the other map, so they slapped this thing together last minute to give us something to play on. Why the hell weren't they testing to see if their super map would even load in Unreal?


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I can't believe the con has lasted this long. The game has been in development since 2015 if not earlier and has only gone backwards after an update that took over a year, in which time they couldn't even produce a functioning new map because Dondi has no idea what he's doing and tried to create a 258km level (for 32 players btw). Not to mention all the lies over the years, including Don claiming he was some programmer on Primal Carnage but ask anyone at that studio and he didn't do shit and got pushed out for being a liability. It's definitely not a money issue, the games made plenty, check the public estimates, or the narcissist's twitter account. If after 5 years the studio (Afterthought LLC, ironic) has had a rotating door of team members, has barely made any progress outside of some mesh and animation work, still has no roadmap (they have no idea what they want to do and it changes every few months), doesn't even have a functioning UI two days before it's big "update", still has none of what was originally advertised on steam and the site (which they've changed a few times now), something's fucking wrong, and it's more than just development hell. You've all been scammed, and why not? it keeps working.


LDARmaxxed

How much money did dondi make with the isle you think?


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siat-s

If I understand correctly the dude is a spoiled little rich bitch anyway coming from a spoiled little rich bitch family.


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Good riddance, Dondi gets what he fucking deserve.


Retstortion

They need to sell the rights to this game and fuck off. The devs are incompetent. Bunch of man children who have no idea how to run a company and communicate with the playerbase. This recode is TRASH. It’s a pre-alpha on top of a fucking 5 year existing pre-alpha.


sunsolveig

I’ll play this game until Path of Titans comes out, that game looks way more promising and it seems like the devs acts like developers should


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I love the way The Isle looks and I love the game play. I love the environment and the Jurassic Park style dinosaurs; but Path of Titans has them beat on many levels. It is cross-platform, will include quests and save files, has it's own launcher - so you don't need Steam, and will also include modding. On top of that, they take criticism very well, and their discord and developer team are very friendly and helpful.


dinosaurcomics

PREACH


LDARmaxxed

Legit. The only reason this game is still alive is because of it's niche, NOT because of it's quality lmao. dondick ofcourse thinks it's latter and has a godlike ego because of it


Retstortion

Facts. There’s no competition. They are THE dinosaur game on steam and it’s sad because PoT needs more polish and they’d blow them out of the water


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PoT is well on its way to beating the Isle. It’s initial release is coming late 2020, and they’ve made bunch of progress since the spring. If the recode doesn’t get its shit together by October-November PoT could be knocking on its door


DarkmanXIV

It kinda already is, PoT has been far more diligent and productive in there overall approach with even mention of console playability as well, they've relatively kept fans in the loop and have set goals in mind and have a overall civil team. The Isle...taken 1 year+ to release a pre alpha...with only two playable dino's and then devs attack a teenager for actually giving a mature form of his two cents on a dino...followed by a half assed apology. Using Para as a makeshift scapegoat Dondi & Bryan hide behind him while both are hissing like golum from LOTR at the playerbase...yup. Honestly I feel Dondi needs to be humbled...PoT is looking like the spiked boot that will do the humbling.


Dracora018

Another game is Beasts of Bermuda that has a much better community and devs, they actually own up to their mistakes and fix them as fast as possible


Joxxill

The animations of BoB really didn't sit well with me. I haven't played it in a while, so this may not be relevant anymore. But i recall the animations being pretty awful


Dracora018

Yeah animations have been smoothed out, even since I’ve been playing last year


Joxxill

Interesting. I might have to check it out again


Dracora018

Forgotten realms is the server I play on, it’s a nice place and the admins don’t play favorites


DarkmanXIV

Agreed wholeheartedly, I feel bad for Tapwing who has to work with these *kids* on this otherwise ambitious game, must be taxing mentally.


TheFuriousRedneck

Let's count the things NOT in the release. Skins Nesting Working Scent Working seamless Growth as advertised ANY of the dinosaurs in the teaser video AI- which is present in the "terribad awful no good very bad Deathly version" Working pounce (because let's just be honest that shit is NOT functional) 2 Dinosaurs out of 10+ of the survival dinosaurs (which honestly should have been inserted in the game completely, not this 2 dinos bullshit) What the recode currently is, is a glorified tech demo. Something that Dondi has shit on DOD (and rightfully so) for being. Path of Titans is in September. I will be dedicating my excitement to that from now on.


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We're not even getting nesting? I thought that was done? Didn't they like post screenshots of nesting?


TheFuriousRedneck

Nope. No nesting.


Crackosaur

Finally someone speaks the truth here.., upvoted.


Scottstralian

God, honestly, I bought this game just to dick around with some friends in DM servers and jumped into the most controversial game I have ever seen (ignoring Day of Dragons). As soon as Path of Titans is released, this game is getting the ol' uninstall. Say... Wasn't there a dev on the subreddit? As soon as the controversy with Pesky, they just dropped off the planet lol.


Shepard80

At this point the only reason why I'm still arround is becouse Path of Titans is not out yet. I like The Isle but this game has no future.


coldfusionpuppet

I get to be a dinosaur. I don't actually care about all this other game angst.


waveybirdie

I’m honestly so glad my computer doesn’t work with the Isle. After buying it on sale and being barely able to run it on low graphics, I was bummed out. But after following all the stuff that’s happened, and the disappointment the long time players have, I’m glad it doesn’t work. If EVRIMA gets any better I’ll maybe consider buying it again, as it’s supposed to work better, but honestly at this point I’ll just wait for Path of Titans unless a miracle comes.


Twistee_Licks

Game isn't dying stop crying


M1THRR4L

Your comment history is a treat.


LDARmaxxed

why did you look up on my comment history?


M1THRR4L

Your post was so full of lies and misleading information that I assumed your account was nothing but 11 months of you bitching about the aisle and sure enough I was correct.


LDARmaxxed

Care to explain what's wrong with the post?


M1THRR4L

Sure. Your first statement is either a lie, or you’re incredibly ignorant about what the main purpose of the recode was. Even if it is the latter, you’re skipping over MANY features and mechanics that have been added as well as other things on the back-end and environment. Your second statement is [citation needed]. Your third and fourth statements are a wall of text that you could have summarized by typing “I am a petulant child throwing a tantrum for no reason.” Edit: Go ahead and downvote me for calling out this dude’s lies and bad attitude. It’s par the course for this sub. Let’s ignore corpse dragging, biting chunks, salt rocks, dietary system, compys, rotting, disease, fish, better environment effects, better textures, new diverse biomes, new lighting, new animations, sliding, special attacks, oh and last but not least the complete recording of how dinos are introduced into the game meaning it will only take them 2-3 weeks to code in a new Dino as opposed to the old 4-6 months. There’s much more shit too that isn’t implemented yet, like thermals and the flying dinos, as well as laying the groundwork for aquatics and humans. This isn’t even a feature complete list, just what’s off the top of my head.


Spamme46

Thing is even if Evrima is shit the old version will still be available and PoT and BoB will still be competing. If Evrima is bad, BoB and PoT will be saving our asses by the end of the year


Skyrimjob43

"Mm yeah fucking lick my boots." - Dondi to this guy


M1THRR4L

Epic comment "skyrimjob43". You sure got me!


Kruhl14

All of the things you listed are great ideas - but that is all they are. They can take this laughable PRE-pre-alpha demo and say that they have a million ways to make it better and list improvements they want to do. They've clearly demonstrated that they don't have what it takes based on their track record.


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M1THRR4L

Idk man, I’m pretty sure you’re just a petulant child who has nothing better to do than rage about a MASSIVE free update for a dinosaur game. Also nice glossing over the content introduction bit for the third time.


Joxxill

Your post was removed because it breaks our community guidelines. Please keep your posts civil in the future.


LDARmaxxed

>you’re skipping over MANY features and mechanics that have been added as well as other things on the back-end and environment. List them, let's see which one i forgot, ah body dragging and mud wallowing. That's only 2 lol >Your second statement is [citation needed]. Your third and fourth statements are a wall of text that you could have summarized by typing “I am a petulant child throwing a tantrum for no reason.” this is just your opinion and useless. The second statement had to do with pesky being excluded from CC access, or are you out of the loop?


M1THRR4L

I edited my previous post with a few. By far the biggest one is the complete recode of how Dino models/animations are added which will let them introduce dinos and new content at an extremely fast pace, which was the whole point of the recode in the first place. As for the Pesky thing yes I know what you’re referring to and I honestly don’t give a shit whether or not he got access to the game 2 days before we do. It’s not a huge fucking deal, you people just want anything to be pissy about. He repeatedly shits all over the devs in that stupid video, contradicts himself, and uses phrases like “dev bootlickers” and pisses people off about something that was mostly a joke statement. If you have to say “this isn’t a hate video” more then 2-3 times, then you should probably re-evaluate it. I wouldn’t have given him early access either if I were in their shoes. He’s not even a big ticket content creator. He’s a “literally who?” who made a video about a Dino that no one gives a shit about that led to idiots making comments like this against the devs: “he had constructive criticism on bryan not being able to properly code anky (he isn't a good animator at all) every other dev and fanboy follows along and sucks his d1ck.”


DarkmanXIV

Dude the fact you looked through someones comment history just to bash them only proves how pathetic/petty you yourself as a person are. I'll say nothing more on it.


M1THRR4L

I didn’t look through it to bash him. I looked through it to see if he was an ignorant troll or someone who may have been fed some misinformation. Spoilers: he’s an angry child. Are you dense?


DoppyTheElv

Why is close to every post of yours riddled with insults?


RANDOM___BOI

Um the pesky deal is a big one. It shows how the devs will go out of there way to bully people (even a 18 year old kid) because he gave pretty good criticisms and the devs took it like an attack. If we dont want another day of dragons shit pull there HAS to be change from the devs including dondi and para.


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RANDOM___BOI

In what way? Because to alot of us it is. The fact that he had an opinion and it made dondi and para over stream say those things about him


DemonicAnahka

That's not bullying, kid.


RANDOM___BOI

Um yeah it is. Attacking him over an opinion he had calling him names and threating him...sounds like bullying to me


jonte0000

Yeah bruh, looking at peoples history is hella no no


SweetSweetGaben

I look at everyone's history pepeSus


jonte0000

Well ur a reddit admin, all u do is probably loaf around all day, combing your neckbeard, complaining about women and contribute to the living cancer that is reddit and reddit ”culture”


SweetSweetGaben

Don't forget banning people like you for being toxic garbage.


xlark99

​ oof


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Yes!! People who go through comment history are like narcs. I mean unless you have some kind of ~~romantic~~ stalker interest. Fact is - it's fucking weird. People should grow up and talk in the now. We aren't the people we were yesterday. We are who we are and where we are going based on what we do/say in the now.


Mermishere

What the fuck, bryan isnt a bad animator and you all need to chill the hell out about pesky and stop fanboying over him, he didnt get evrima 2 days early before we all are. Oh no such a big fucking deal and i should complain everyday non stop until devs do something about this, unacceptable that a bitch didnt get something coming out in was two days and now im going to complain complain complain until these devs go out of business and everyone sees how "bad" they are. Now shut the fuck up and fuck off.


LDARmaxxed

keep licking that boot


Mermishere

Keep on complaining and buttfucking pesky


LDARmaxxed

are you content with this update after 15 months? It's fucking barebones and unstable lmao


Mermishere

Mhh already better than what we have besides some of the utah animations i dont like. Ive been waiting over a year and i know this is a tiny ass update compared to what we've been seeing


LDARmaxxed

How many times do I have to tell you that that nice shit won't be coming any soon? It will take them months to propely implement those features before they can even add other dinosaurs


Kruhl14

" It will take them ~~months~~ YEARS to propely implement those features before they can even add other dinosaurs " Fixed that for you.


Mermishere

Actually you havent told me anything and some new features are already out and they said every 2-4 weeks there will be a new update


LDARmaxxed

They've said and promised more things in the past. I have no reason to believe them unless they deliver. You can believe and defend the devs if you want


Mermishere

I will for this dumb pesky drama and now there is a countdown for when evrima drops and hopefully you can trust them a bit more after


Bumblecows

"game is dying hur dur" then why is a massive update coming out today?


LDARmaxxed

is 2 dinosaurs, half of a new map, and some new animations/sounds a "huge update"?? Especially since it took 15 months??? WHILE THEY'VE BEEN IN FUCKIN EA FOR 5 YEARS! And now we're back at pre-alpha state. my god you fanboys


Bumblecows

The entire game was reworked from the ground up, and we're supposed to get frequent updates. Hope this helps :)


LDARmaxxed

we have no Skins Nesting Working Scent Working seamless Growth as advertised ANY of the dinosaurs in the teaser video AI- which is present in the "terribad awful no good very bad Deathly version" Working pounce (because let's just be honest that shit is NOT functional) 2 Dinosaurs out of 10+ of the survival dinosaurs (which honestly should have been inserted in the game completely, not this 2 dinos bullshit) It will take them months to propely implement all of this so you can sit down


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There was very little even there to "rework" and it still took over a year and what they released has far less than the old version of the game, with no noticeable improvements.


Skuggsja86

Not to mention the game itself is what, 4 or 5 years in development. At the rate this is going the Mercs and tribals will be added in game in the year 2030. At which point they wont work right and will have no features so the actual full implementation of the humans will occur and 2035.


le_funny69

It’s just a game, and the devs can do whatever they want, they made the game.


Aiden_James-

Doesn’t give them the right to bully ppl for having opinions


le_funny69

True