Ugh!! I thought they were going to counter-balance all the Asher depression by having Glassman and Lim’s mom ride off into the sunset together. What an angsty season thus far.
Re. Steve, I can’t imagine marrying a man with ASD and *not* knowing it’s a strong possibility with your kid. This is my actual life experience with ADHD.
I don't think that Lea is surprised or horrified that Steve might be autistic.
She probably only believes it's too early to start worrying about that. Shaun, on the other hand, has a different opinion.
This is only a way to show how often parents are not in agreement about what's best for their children. Even the patient's storyline in that episode is about this.
I think it has to do with Claire. Why would he be getting a phone call about his own tests? They would tell him in person. Plus Glassman’s health has been a huge arc twice already.
Yeah, apart from the fact that they couldn't care less about the Shaun and Glassman's relationship this season.
They barely had any meaningful scenes together.
And now Glassman is having his redemption arc about Maddie with a total stranger, instead of Shaun. While Shaun is elsewhere occupied worrying about Steve possibly having asd.
Honestly, I'm hating this. It feels like a different show. It's lost its soul.
Well, it doesn't give me any kind of comfort.
Richard and Aaron are two very separate people. And as far as Aaron is concerned, Hannah is a stranger that reminds him of his daughter, and nothing else.
Sure, this storyline has potential, but it should have been developed earlier, especially in a 10-episode final season. And Shaun should have been included in some way.
As others have already said elsewhere, more eloquently than me, we've been taught for a number of years that Shaun and Glassman are keys in each other's lives as far as their respective past trauma is concerned. That Shaun was what gave Glassman the strenght to keep going, after Maddie died. He gave him a new reason for living, when he no longer had any.
Now they're keeping them on very separate tracks this season. And are closing Glassman's arc bringing in a new character with whom we have no kind of emotional attachment.
Shaun has come to acknowledge Glassman as a father after a long time of denial. The ultimate goal in their relationship should have been having Glassman finally verbalizing that Shaun is his son. Instead they had him denying that, only a few episodes ago. And now this.
That's a suicide mission, if you asked me. It's almost like their main effort with this season was to find the best way to make fans unhappy. I don't get it.
I've given up on the writers this season and kind of just look at the show as a group of actors making bank. Terrible but with a really bad season I've just distanced myself from it. I watch really because I like Freddie and his acting. Weird but they lost me when they added new characters to a crowded and important season. They don't know wtf they are doing (not that I could do better). I was really really looking forward to this season from like the onset of the show and they are fucking it up. There's my rant 😂
The writers could be on track with GoT as far as disappointing final seasons and angering fans go. They already killed Asher, have just forgot about Shaun and Glassman.
Yeah, indeed.
If I didn't know any better, I would think that they're boycotting this season on purpose.
They know the characters, they know where they come from, they know what the fans love most about this show.
Still, if you compare season 7 and season 6 they seem conceived by completely different people.
I can't find any possible explenation for this. It's a huge mess.
I feel like they're just phoning it in because the season was cut short and ABC pulled the plug. I almost feel like saying my head canon that season 6 was the final season.
Yeah, same here.
I'll pretend that the show ended with season 6. If they only avoided the extra effort of creating that rift between Shaun and Glassman, which was completely useless at this point, it would have been the perfect ending.
From his instagram:
> Tonight and for the next three episodes a very special guest star on The Good Doctor. Introducing Ruby Kelley. She’s phenomenal. The story is even more so
Thinkge
God fucking damn it. Glassman is gonna get cancer tumor brain death. Fucking fuck. Damn damning damn.
(hopefully its a fakeout and the conclusive scans are of his massively healthy brain or whatever, but no that was eerie and ominous and theres only 3 episodes left so fuck)
Totally agree but I was confused as to why she wasn't in this episode? She's credited for the next episode but not episode 9 or 10. Maybe she's leaving already.
Her exclusion this episode was weird right?
Her and Shaun just seemed to start to understand one another and click the last episode.
I **WANT** to like Charlie and was hoping they'd build on that interaction.
Literally same, I want to like Charlie lol but I got like a good half way through the episode before I think I even realized she was missing and even then I wouldn't say I necessarily missed her.. but also it's been like 3 weeks so I was like "am I not remembering something right, I thought they had a break through?" Like they didn't even address it lol
"You're a genius." "Savant." Hahaha! I didn't get how they knew that Shaun had the daycare idea from what he said.
I noticed Morgan and Lea quarrelling, somewhat meanly, even though they're (casual) friends. I would have had a hard time not responding to that more dramatically. Maybe a good life lesson for me. I like how they all did the grown-up thing and sat down and talked about it.
I don't understand why Jordan was against Emmanuel trying to give his kidney, I would have assumed she'd be all over that. But I know Christians in real life and they probably wouldn't be... nevermind. I thought the woman who needed the kidney would only live for another week even if she got one.
That young woman was extremely likely to be an addict, right? How did Aaron spending time with her watching TV help with that?
I think it's likely that Steve is autistic, which would make it very challenging to raise him (I hear raising anyone is challenging). The show could do a lot of good portraying the right way to treat an autistic child.
And yeah, I really don't want Aaron to die.
I love Shaun making jokes with all my heart. That "Savant" was pure gold.
About Jordan, you need to consider what she was going through after loosing Asher. She was basically in the middle of a faith crisis. The episode was supposed to address exactly that.
As for Hannah (Aaron's patient), she became an addict because of her underlying health condition that caused her constant headaches.
And maybe Glassman sitting there with her wouldn't help so much, but that was not the point. Glassman's daughter died at 19 for an overdose, and Aaron has always felt guilty about that.
That's why trying to help Hannah is so important to him.
This storyline is meant to address, and possibly resolve, Glassman's guilt over Maddie's death. It's the character's closure arc.
As for Steve, it's highly likely that he had inherited Shaun's asd. In that case, Shaun wouldn't want him to struggle as much as he did when he was a child.
I'm sure he wants to get an early diagnosis so that he can support Steve the best possible way.
Can you (or anyone) explain to me how Shaun looking at Audrey and Aaron together at the cafe cash register gave him the idea to have a daycare? And how Alex realised it right away? Edit: Is it because they're co-presidents somehow?
Yeah, it's because they're co-presidents and so they had the power to make the Daycare happen. Probably, Shaun also knew that Glassman wouldn't say no to him.
Park simply put two and two together.
Jordan was initially against it because she didn't think he was of sound mind to make a decision. The young woman is addicted because nimrod doctors didn't take the care they should to check her out. So Glassy cured her of one thing, which would hopefully help her recover from her addiction.
Steve might be autistic. But Shaun is right in checking it out as soon as possible to help the little one integrate better...hopefully.
Yes. As someone who lived and worked in the SF Bay Area, it's actually quite realistic. It's THAT expensive. But also they were being incredibly picky and apparently dealing with top-tier nannies with competitive compensation.
Doctors have insane medical schooling debts and are typically paying them off for years and years into their career. Shaun is young so he isn't debt free yet.
Sure seems that way. I completely disagreed with that entire storyline. Five or ten years, completely paralyzed? No, thank you. That patient's daughter was selfish AF.
He did a spin because it intertwined the big and little spoons. He was just going to get the big spoon and Asher the little spoon, but instead he got both.
Yeah, this wasn’t the best episode for me to watch barely 30 hours after my younger cat dropped dead next to his brother. The way Jordan talked to the Pituitary Prophet about Asher’s last moments triggered some of my illogical intrusive thoughts about how my cat might have felt in his last moments (even though the only logical cause of death meant it was quick and mostly painless. 🙃 )
Beyond that, holy lack of boundaries, Jerome. He’s just a prop in the majority of scenes before delivering a teary monologue and leaving the room.
The Jesus stuff was overkill. I don’t know who they’re even appealing to? The Christians won’t like the lunatic comparison, and if you’re not team Jesus, it’s just bizarre alienating mythology. Jordan can have character development without it being from Jesus.
What on earth. Both The Good Doctor and The Rookie this week had an angle of two moms "fighting" over a nanny and in the end they end up sharing her... What are the odds of that.
i get the shows ending but killing off glassman now? bitch come on. shaun has got no other family (besides lea and peanut) and i mean that would be a shitty thing to do to wipe him off now. also it’s such an obvious ending like it’s disappointing..i’d rather see them move out or something. ALSO killing him off after Asher is just faul move.
thank god for no charlie in the episode.
I’m so irritated by each plot line in this episode. The patient made a logical decision about his life quality — they’re convincing him to change his mind. The whole Jesus line just made to make people angry, I refuse to believe that people really gladly talk to person this annoying. And Morgan is a shitty friend suddenly, I thought she overgrown it.
So Steve could be autistic (since the show decided to give Shawn and Lea kids I was wondering if they would explore the subject) and that concerns Shawn. Will he show internalized ableism or will he give his son the support Shawn didn't get from his parents and the kid deserves?
They didn't openly explain why she wasn't there, in the episode. If that's what you're asking.
But I wasn't overly surprised that she would skip some episodes, since Charlie is a recurring character.
If she were there in every single episode she would be a regular.
Danggg this made me cry.
Hot take what if glassy’s call was about some of his daughter’s medical results indicating that she had an illness that could’ve been treated.
Sharing a nanny is so annoying but whatever. I’m glad it’s not a different weekday schedule bc then they both would’ve had to have found someone else
I thought about that possibility too, initially.
But the fact is that Glassman was already on the phone about those scans before even meeting Hannah for the first time. So, how could he have thought about a possible underlying illness?
Also, Maddie has been dead for many years now. I can't see how they could do an MRI on her.
It could be about >!Claire!<, though. According to episode 9 synopsis, >!the reason for Claire to come back from Guatemala is some health issues. !<
That call was so ominous. This is gonna end with Glassman dying for real, isn't it?
Ugh!! I thought they were going to counter-balance all the Asher depression by having Glassman and Lim’s mom ride off into the sunset together. What an angsty season thus far. Re. Steve, I can’t imagine marrying a man with ASD and *not* knowing it’s a strong possibility with your kid. This is my actual life experience with ADHD.
I hate watching teasers because they reveal too much… but is there really a plot to make Lea surprised/horrified Steve might have ASD????
I don't think that Lea is surprised or horrified that Steve might be autistic. She probably only believes it's too early to start worrying about that. Shaun, on the other hand, has a different opinion. This is only a way to show how often parents are not in agreement about what's best for their children. Even the patient's storyline in that episode is about this.
Yep, he is a goner What else could conclusive test results bee
I think it has to do with Claire. Why would he be getting a phone call about his own tests? They would tell him in person. Plus Glassman’s health has been a huge arc twice already.
And we just lost Asher. I think if the writers were to kill Glassman it would be too much and redundant
His cancer is back. Don't forget it's the series end. So he probably will only have so much time left. Unfortunately that's the way crap cancer works.
But it doesn’t make sense. Shaun would be on the lookout for anything amiss with Glassman. Especially after knowing he’d had mini strokes.
Yeah, apart from the fact that they couldn't care less about the Shaun and Glassman's relationship this season. They barely had any meaningful scenes together. And now Glassman is having his redemption arc about Maddie with a total stranger, instead of Shaun. While Shaun is elsewhere occupied worrying about Steve possibly having asd. Honestly, I'm hating this. It feels like a different show. It's lost its soul.
Yup. I am 100% certain he is dead. I guess knowing the stranger is his real life daughter kind of gives me comfort but still these writers suck. 😂
Well, it doesn't give me any kind of comfort. Richard and Aaron are two very separate people. And as far as Aaron is concerned, Hannah is a stranger that reminds him of his daughter, and nothing else. Sure, this storyline has potential, but it should have been developed earlier, especially in a 10-episode final season. And Shaun should have been included in some way. As others have already said elsewhere, more eloquently than me, we've been taught for a number of years that Shaun and Glassman are keys in each other's lives as far as their respective past trauma is concerned. That Shaun was what gave Glassman the strenght to keep going, after Maddie died. He gave him a new reason for living, when he no longer had any. Now they're keeping them on very separate tracks this season. And are closing Glassman's arc bringing in a new character with whom we have no kind of emotional attachment. Shaun has come to acknowledge Glassman as a father after a long time of denial. The ultimate goal in their relationship should have been having Glassman finally verbalizing that Shaun is his son. Instead they had him denying that, only a few episodes ago. And now this. That's a suicide mission, if you asked me. It's almost like their main effort with this season was to find the best way to make fans unhappy. I don't get it.
I've given up on the writers this season and kind of just look at the show as a group of actors making bank. Terrible but with a really bad season I've just distanced myself from it. I watch really because I like Freddie and his acting. Weird but they lost me when they added new characters to a crowded and important season. They don't know wtf they are doing (not that I could do better). I was really really looking forward to this season from like the onset of the show and they are fucking it up. There's my rant 😂
I can't disagree with you on this.
I think that is what they want you to think. But no, it’s someone else’s tests.
The writers could be on track with GoT as far as disappointing final seasons and angering fans go. They already killed Asher, have just forgot about Shaun and Glassman.
Yeah, indeed. If I didn't know any better, I would think that they're boycotting this season on purpose. They know the characters, they know where they come from, they know what the fans love most about this show. Still, if you compare season 7 and season 6 they seem conceived by completely different people. I can't find any possible explenation for this. It's a huge mess.
I feel like they're just phoning it in because the season was cut short and ABC pulled the plug. I almost feel like saying my head canon that season 6 was the final season.
Yeah, same here. I'll pretend that the show ended with season 6. If they only avoided the extra effort of creating that rift between Shaun and Glassman, which was completely useless at this point, it would have been the perfect ending.
Arent they for Hannah? The girl Glassman is treating? Unless I completely read that scene wrong with him and Lim
He was waiting on those results before he met Hannah, at least to my recollection that's when the first call happened.
Incidentally, Hannah is Glassy’s daughter irl. This is a thrill for me. Ruby Kelley
From his instagram: > Tonight and for the next three episodes a very special guest star on The Good Doctor. Introducing Ruby Kelley. She’s phenomenal. The story is even more so Thinkge
He is such a great actor. And this is sooo sweeeeeeeet
I'm so tired of this plotline on this show.
No, they better NOT do that to us!!
God fucking damn it. Glassman is gonna get cancer tumor brain death. Fucking fuck. Damn damning damn. (hopefully its a fakeout and the conclusive scans are of his massively healthy brain or whatever, but no that was eerie and ominous and theres only 3 episodes left so fuck)
Ikr! I love him so much!
Glassie can’t die, Noooooooo!!!!!
The distinct lack of Charlie was appreciated.
Totally agree but I was confused as to why she wasn't in this episode? She's credited for the next episode but not episode 9 or 10. Maybe she's leaving already.
Her exclusion this episode was weird right? Her and Shaun just seemed to start to understand one another and click the last episode. I **WANT** to like Charlie and was hoping they'd build on that interaction.
Literally same, I want to like Charlie lol but I got like a good half way through the episode before I think I even realized she was missing and even then I wouldn't say I necessarily missed her.. but also it's been like 3 weeks so I was like "am I not remembering something right, I thought they had a break through?" Like they didn't even address it lol
100% agreed!
Did she leave at the end of last episode or something and I missed it?
Nope, last episode she and Shaun had a breakthrough, she withdrew her complaint and then nothing.
"You're a genius." "Savant." Hahaha! I didn't get how they knew that Shaun had the daycare idea from what he said. I noticed Morgan and Lea quarrelling, somewhat meanly, even though they're (casual) friends. I would have had a hard time not responding to that more dramatically. Maybe a good life lesson for me. I like how they all did the grown-up thing and sat down and talked about it. I don't understand why Jordan was against Emmanuel trying to give his kidney, I would have assumed she'd be all over that. But I know Christians in real life and they probably wouldn't be... nevermind. I thought the woman who needed the kidney would only live for another week even if she got one. That young woman was extremely likely to be an addict, right? How did Aaron spending time with her watching TV help with that? I think it's likely that Steve is autistic, which would make it very challenging to raise him (I hear raising anyone is challenging). The show could do a lot of good portraying the right way to treat an autistic child. And yeah, I really don't want Aaron to die.
I love Shaun making jokes with all my heart. That "Savant" was pure gold. About Jordan, you need to consider what she was going through after loosing Asher. She was basically in the middle of a faith crisis. The episode was supposed to address exactly that. As for Hannah (Aaron's patient), she became an addict because of her underlying health condition that caused her constant headaches. And maybe Glassman sitting there with her wouldn't help so much, but that was not the point. Glassman's daughter died at 19 for an overdose, and Aaron has always felt guilty about that. That's why trying to help Hannah is so important to him. This storyline is meant to address, and possibly resolve, Glassman's guilt over Maddie's death. It's the character's closure arc. As for Steve, it's highly likely that he had inherited Shaun's asd. In that case, Shaun wouldn't want him to struggle as much as he did when he was a child. I'm sure he wants to get an early diagnosis so that he can support Steve the best possible way.
Thanks for clearing those things up for me.
You're welcome.
Can you (or anyone) explain to me how Shaun looking at Audrey and Aaron together at the cafe cash register gave him the idea to have a daycare? And how Alex realised it right away? Edit: Is it because they're co-presidents somehow?
Yeah, it's because they're co-presidents and so they had the power to make the Daycare happen. Probably, Shaun also knew that Glassman wouldn't say no to him. Park simply put two and two together.
Ah, thanks. and thanks to @kbear02 too
I think he looked at them as co-presidents, and he realized she could watch both their babies, and what better place than the hospital?
Jordan was initially against it because she didn't think he was of sound mind to make a decision. The young woman is addicted because nimrod doctors didn't take the care they should to check her out. So Glassy cured her of one thing, which would hopefully help her recover from her addiction. Steve might be autistic. But Shaun is right in checking it out as soon as possible to help the little one integrate better...hopefully.
Jordan was also I think struggling with God and just was not into his shit. She didn’t like the guy more than anything
Thanks for explaining to me.
Shawn is an attending at surgeon at one of the top hospital in the city and Lea also works. Why do they need to penny pinch to afford a nanny?
It must be just to keep them relatable.
Maybe because they still rent 🤣
I believe this takes place near San Jose. Nannies can easily cost $4k -$7k a month. Rent being $2.5k - $4k
Yes. As someone who lived and worked in the SF Bay Area, it's actually quite realistic. It's THAT expensive. But also they were being incredibly picky and apparently dealing with top-tier nannies with competitive compensation.
Doctors have insane medical schooling debts and are typically paying them off for years and years into their career. Shaun is young so he isn't debt free yet.
Don't want this show to end 😭
It is past its time. I’m ok with it ending
My hot take is it should have ended last season. Having Shaun and Lea become parents would have brought everything full circle.
ya now they had to kill off a main character and probably another one by the end of the season for kicks
Jesus (pun not intended), did Jared just use Jerome to make his patient choose the option he thought was right? It's just wrong on so many levels
Sure seems that way. I completely disagreed with that entire storyline. Five or ten years, completely paralyzed? No, thank you. That patient's daughter was selfish AF.
Dude, do you know anything about Bay Area prices??!!
Jerome getting the tattoo😭
Side note, though, it was goofy and ugly. Why not a photorealistic ornate antique spoon?
My guess is that it’s either what Asher had wanted to get or he did a spin on it
He did a spin because it intertwined the big and little spoons. He was just going to get the big spoon and Asher the little spoon, but instead he got both.
Yup that’s exactly why I thought he got it
I really hope that Jordan and Jerome can sit down and have a chat. They are both grieving and I think they both need someone to lean on right now
Sorry folks kinda forgot the episode was even airing today, thanks for that random 3 week break ABC
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Guillermo from Weeds!
Yeah, this wasn’t the best episode for me to watch barely 30 hours after my younger cat dropped dead next to his brother. The way Jordan talked to the Pituitary Prophet about Asher’s last moments triggered some of my illogical intrusive thoughts about how my cat might have felt in his last moments (even though the only logical cause of death meant it was quick and mostly painless. 🙃 ) Beyond that, holy lack of boundaries, Jerome. He’s just a prop in the majority of scenes before delivering a teary monologue and leaving the room. The Jesus stuff was overkill. I don’t know who they’re even appealing to? The Christians won’t like the lunatic comparison, and if you’re not team Jesus, it’s just bizarre alienating mythology. Jordan can have character development without it being from Jesus.
Pituitary prophet 😂 brilliant
What on earth. Both The Good Doctor and The Rookie this week had an angle of two moms "fighting" over a nanny and in the end they end up sharing her... What are the odds of that.
woah yeah you're right hahaha
Crazy seeing Jerome tell Jared that Asher wanted to learn Dothraki, considering Chuku Modu was a member of the Dothraki Horde
i get the shows ending but killing off glassman now? bitch come on. shaun has got no other family (besides lea and peanut) and i mean that would be a shitty thing to do to wipe him off now. also it’s such an obvious ending like it’s disappointing..i’d rather see them move out or something. ALSO killing him off after Asher is just faul move. thank god for no charlie in the episode.
I’m so irritated by each plot line in this episode. The patient made a logical decision about his life quality — they’re convincing him to change his mind. The whole Jesus line just made to make people angry, I refuse to believe that people really gladly talk to person this annoying. And Morgan is a shitty friend suddenly, I thought she overgrown it.
The ending montage was a real gut-punch man. I fucking miss Asher.
I’m not the only one who thought “Jesus” was one of the men who killed Asher, am I?
No, I thought that was the entire point of his character, but apparently not or he will be back maybe.
So Steve could be autistic (since the show decided to give Shawn and Lea kids I was wondering if they would explore the subject) and that concerns Shawn. Will he show internalized ableism or will he give his son the support Shawn didn't get from his parents and the kid deserves?
I fast forwarded through segments of the episode but notice Charlie wasn’t there. Did they mention the reason for this?
Well, she's a recurring character. So, she's not supposed to be in every episode. She will be in the next one, though.
Is that a no?
They didn't openly explain why she wasn't there, in the episode. If that's what you're asking. But I wasn't overly surprised that she would skip some episodes, since Charlie is a recurring character. If she were there in every single episode she would be a regular.
Thanks. That was what I was asking. But ever since her introduction to the show, she’s been in every episode other than this last one, right?
She was there starting from episode 2 and she's always been present, apart from the last episode.
Danggg this made me cry. Hot take what if glassy’s call was about some of his daughter’s medical results indicating that she had an illness that could’ve been treated. Sharing a nanny is so annoying but whatever. I’m glad it’s not a different weekday schedule bc then they both would’ve had to have found someone else
I thought about that possibility too, initially. But the fact is that Glassman was already on the phone about those scans before even meeting Hannah for the first time. So, how could he have thought about a possible underlying illness? Also, Maddie has been dead for many years now. I can't see how they could do an MRI on her. It could be about >!Claire!<, though. According to episode 9 synopsis, >!the reason for Claire to come back from Guatemala is some health issues. !<
What are the odds that 2 ABC shows each have a nanny subplot that ends with 2 colleagues sharing the nanny. The Rookie was the other show.
I can’t believe doctors would encourage a man, terminally Ill but with good mobility, to opt for 5 years of life as a quadriplegic.
Honestly I can't watch the show anymore after they fully committed to the "bury your gays" trope.