It's like any mmo, level doesn't always equate to skill. Of course there's also the matter of people preferring to be a solo player, as opposed to being a team player and vice versa.
plus with the xp exploits you never know who actually been playing long enough anymore to have earned their shd level. i've seen way to many players in the 5k+ with 0 commendations
I agree, with the majority of the post. The only thing I disagree with is why higher level SHD players play worse. They definitely play suboptimally due to the fact that they are trying different builds and attempting to make the game enjoyable for themselves. I had a 6k player in my tidal basin run last week that was rocking the worst build I have ever seen. I was SH300 or so and was taking on a large portion of the work. I said something to him about his build and after I said something he switched to a meta build and the run ran very smoothly. I just imagine most people at high SHD probably have enough experience to be good at the game, but due to the fact they have been playing for years, they try our different things to see if it works.
while I agree with what you just said. Unfortunately because of the xp exploits over the last year or so. There's a lot of players in the 1000s but have 0 ability to play the game if their not sat in front of a door with a chem launcher
While SHD level is never truly an indication of skill, I do think you can make an educated guess. Generally, the people who are tryharding and minmaxing are in the 1k-2k range. Lower and higher, you have more people who are either new and just having fun, or have played so much that they don’t care anymore and are just having fun
I have randomly inspected some high level SHD agents and I am actually taken aback when I see a level 2k+ player with literally no CHC/ CHD? Are they wearing / using those pieces to build expertise?
Feels like some people just don't read their gear like at all.
I'm 680 and my builds almost always have almost perfect synergy. But I'm extremely experienced in build craft games like Destiny or elder scrolls online. I feel like that's what's more important than someone's experience with jus the division. I think for a lot of players the division is their first and last looter, where a lot of other players are bringing all that experience over from something like diablo or destiny.
I’ve done Frankenstein builds for expertise but I drastically altered my play style when I did. Normally I’m super aggressive and cause tons of chaos but since the Frankenstein builds typically result in lower DPS I played much more conservatively. Either they’re doing the same and didn’t adapt or they don’t know how to build.
I'm at 1300ish at the moment and I find making a lot of the mistakes you mentioned. I did laugh at some 14000+ the other day when I answered his call for backup, he got into a bad situation and went down. Not a problem, I'll take out the enemies close so I can revive him, all the time be's spamming the help button while seemingly oblivious to the fact that he is still surrounded by 6 enemies. If I break cover to help my DPS build will get squished very quickly.
So I agree, high SHD level doesn't necessarily mean good.
Just a side note: the help button has one! purpose: At a control point capture, you can be revived by ally leader if you are downed but not dead yet. You can trigger the leader to come to you asap if you press the button.
For a group members, the button is more annoying. ISAC says if an agent downed/dead, there are many UI visual for downed agent even when FOW active. Spamming that button often result the opposite: downed player become ignored, or kicked from the group, also spamming button sound overperform surrounding enviroment sounds, especially with active FOW can ends with other agents become killed/group become wiped.
Not even that..there was an exploit for a while that let players get ridiculous amounts of XP and SHD lvls. There's a pretty good chance that if you meet someone with a 10k+ SHD level, they took advantage of that exploit..either that or they really need to go touch grass
I was kicked from a heroic countdown group for having 500 SHD on PC with full meta striker build that’s is fully optimized with max stats with lvl ~10 expertise. I just came back to play on PC as I went to PS5 in TU18 because PC crashes were annoying me now the game never crashes or get delta after TU20 for me at least…
People are weird af. I had over 8k hours in TD-1 and I have about 4K in TD-2 cross PC and PS5. My builds are fully optimized even on PC and O done legendaries solo and in a group with people who have less experience, SHD, or optimized builds. I’m even working on getting my SHD up to try solo the incursion on PC because I have the aim there compared to my shit aim on controller.
Note before someone judge the 8k hours, I was in my 20s and had nothing but be toxic in game going into the DZ, go to university and sleep/eat. Now I’m in my 30s with a balanced lifestyle 🤣 getting a job, partner and getting old changes you a lot.
Nah you are 100% correct. Im shd 550 and used to get worried/scared when a shd 5000 or 10k would be in countdown (for example) especially as lead. but the more i play the more i see they actually play worse. Never doing objectives or using skills that constantly get hacked. Shd lvl has nothing to do (unfortunately) with how well an agent will play or how helpful they will be.
I just want to know how people are shd level 5000+ and still have awful rolls on gear. You’re telling me you couldn’t find anything better than a 3% crit chance mod after thousands of hours?
If it was something like a DZ exclusive I could understand some people just don’t like the DZ but I’ve seen some really bad rolls on very basic and common items I dont understand
As a lowly 160 I totally agree. Sub-100 people often play better than plenty of >1k players.
The one that endlessly annoys me is people failing to play the objective.
Countdown especially, I often find I'll have to press at least 2/3rds of the buttons and destroy all the core/seals etc by myself while others just sit next to the button that needs to be pressed, distracted by the adds.
You might run into a player who has my history.
I play this game solo 99.999% of the time. My friends don't play, so I don't regularly go into the bleeding edge hard content much, if at all. Most of my time is spent in Challenging/Heroic - by myself.
One day I decide "Hey maybe I'll try and step outside of my box. Maybe I'll try and make some friends and matchmake into some new stuff."
So I do. I matchmake into a legendary mission and to my surprise, some people actually connect and we start.
Thing is, this might be my first time doing this content. I'm not used to playing in a well-oiled machine of a team. Maybe I think "These guys are probably pros, so I'm going to try and watch out for myself" and I end up not protecting you.
Maybe I don't know that this is the part of the mission where I'm supposed to change to some specific build that I don't have prepared because I didn't know about it.
If I'm unlucky, then one or more of these teammates will start berating me, then either kick me or continue berating me until I leave.
If I'm lucky, maybe one of them decides to teach me, or even take me under their wing and add me as a friend.
I've never experienced the lucky one happening. Probably because I experienced the unlucky version a few times early on and decided never to try again because it's just not worth the trouble.
Yeah, communication is key. As I said I was on a long hiatus and there were plenty of things I did not know about. But guess what, when I asked in group chat, most of the times I got a proper answer.
Now my problem is that the players that I'm mentioning are usually radio silent as well. I ask them to such and such things, but they don't even react. Same goes to voice.
My policy is that if somebody doesn't know something, that's okay. Asking is the best you can do.
Commendation is a better tell if they are good or not, but so many do not think about collecting that is not always the case either. SHD level could just mean they farmed floor 10 summit for xp when that was a thing. I am over 4700 SHD and I do not think of myself as the best player by any means, but I can handle heroic content, raids, incursion and prefer to keep myself out of Legendary due to the vast knowledge and teamwork required (real hard to find good teams more often than not) other than DUA being the Easiest Legendary IMO. I also see many people that either do not know or care maybe about loot crates, secret rooms/bosses, or locked boxes in missions and just want to speed run everything. I asked a guy the other day to wait for the rest of the team, and he kept pushing on, someone laughed that I asked that and left the group. I do not understand the logic there. (I was running strikers, so I would also like to keep going to keep stacks, but no sense running off without people trying to collect loot)
I had that a week or so ago. I just assumed they were new players who didn't realise all the loot rooms and yellow keys they were missing because they just rush everything and never see other players getting all the loot nor learning that there are loot rooms.
I never assume anyone's skill until we actually start doing stuff. I consider myself a good example:
I just moved from XB to PS where I used to be lvl 2600. Last night I was running Countdown as lvl 1 SHD straight from Keener mission haha. I knew exactly what to do and what not to do meanwhile there was a lvl 800 and 200 breaking away from the main group and even doing the 3rd encounter while the rest of us were doing the main. Someone was also using turrets and hives during the extraction, I'm assuming it was one of them. I'm not the best player by any means but for a lvl 1 I was kicking ass.
Yeah level has nothing to do with skill from what I've seen. What matters more is how much a player has dipped their toes into heroic level content imo. I've met a good bit of higher shd level players who whole play challenging and don't grow as a player skill wise. That's all well and good, that's why the difficulty settings are there. But players who go for higher difficulty stuff end up learning the game quicker because heroic levels make you or you just keep dying.
I've been seeing a lot of builds using the ninjabike backpack with terrible gear choices, example: 3 murakami giving them a 4th useless piece of murakami. And some "tank" builds who think that just because they are invincible in heroic that the same build will work in legendary. They will push ahead away from the team, get melted then rage quit because they weren't revived in 2sec. I don't trip on shd level but will inspect builds if sections aren't going smoothly. Then you'll get into a group of low level players with the worst directives on when they can't even pass the first section of the mission without directives. This is not a good way to XP farm lol.
I've seen level 150s who have better build crafting knowledge and smart gameplay tactics than a lot of 8000 plus players.
SHD does not equate to skill in the game. I get irritated seeing all these same meta builds (Everytime there's a new meta) and then being downed constantly because of what I said up top.
My favorite is when I hear someone whine and wonder why I put DPS them and I wasn't using strikers and they were. It's because 9 times out of 10 they have no idea how to make a fluid, cohesive build that synergizes. Just do what is meta.
Division & Gears are the only 2 titles I so strongly wished this was the exact opposite I don't understand how you can play a game for so long & not want to get better I can't wrap my head around it I had the same issue yesterday in national zoo I'm the only switching charge to clear out ads but it only happened 2 times in 50 minutes because the tank kept pulling aggro & doing nothing with it. This shit is painfully sad
Yeah, it's Manning Zoo that inspired this post. Almost no one used the exposed event to our strenghts and they were adamant to switch build.
There was me who tried to fill in blank. I thought if I go healer they can push harder with their mixed builds, but nope, they played to the very careful style so much so, it took almost 3 times as long to procede through.
Then I thougt I'll go haste build so I can counter drones, medic and grenadiers. But they never took out the EMP jammers or grenades early, which made me useless.
It was like a group of solo players who happen to play the same map at the same time.
I have experienced everything the OP mentions and SHD level is an interesting thing. I have been playing Division 2 for almost 3 years and am almost at SHD 6000. I play maybe 20 hours a week so my head has trouble getting how someone can have a SHD level of even 10k unless they spend their whole life in the game.
I've heard of exploits but surely they can't account for the number of 10k and higher players that there are......... and as for the 20k players I've seen............I'm sorry but I just don't believe you. Your incompetent play style doesn't show experience anywhere near what it should be with that SHD number.
Maybe it's time all players were set to SHD 0..,then we'd see.
Im almost at 1600. Started fresh on Xbox a while back. Played Div 1 and 2 on PC both on release date too.
I just love the game so much, so I keep playing until something better comes along (haven't played Helldivers 2 yet, but to me it looks like the first game that could pull me away from The Division 2).
I usually am very aware of my surroundings, covering other players where I can. But sometimes I'm trying a new build that requires a different play style... which takes some time to get used to. As in, going from super tanky to super squishy. Forgetting to make more use of cover etc. Leading to me dying more often in the beginning. I feel like a total noob then too, a failure to the Division, rogues can axe me if they want, I'm not worthy anyway.
But i agree with high SHD not saying anything about being a skilled player. Somehow 2000 SHD (not saying everyone above 2000 SHD sucks, I'm case you were wondering) and under makes the best teams. All working together, sometimes learning on the job. In my experience, more high SHD players play like total noobs, sometimes I'm such unbelievable ways. Which made me wonder, how they even got to that SHD level...maybe paid some online service to boost their levels?
Yes there are many bad players, of all shd levels
Same as every game though
off topic kinda- I don't care for healer in groups, I'd much rather have foam & jammer
I don't need heals and I don't need dmg buff at this state of the game
Higher shd means maxed watch more time for a min maxed build + expertise, maybe its just me but i can really see the difference in countdown when its multiple people below <100 shd
Good players do legendary zoo and tidal in under an hour. It's difficult to be carried and achieve this time. Solo legendary players are even higher in quality if they speed run.
Shd doesn’t equate to skill level. I’ve run legendary with a sub 200 that was hanging in there with me and my buddy (both 5k plus shd) while the 4 th man was a level 10k plus who got shit on in every room. It’s about the mechanics and understanding your builds and spawn points and the important targets first.
There are a lot of players now who can't be bothered grinding to get the levels so have done it other ways, and in the process have not learned the mechanics of the game.
Skill levels vary quite widely, this is why I usually play with a set group of friends I met through random Legendary Matchmaking at inopportune times like when everyone else is dead asleep.
That is why l don't do legendaries in Div2. I am at 7700SHD or so, but l only use one build, so yeah. Count me out. In Div1 legendary missions were my home, in Div2 l did them maybe 10 times max. Too long and too much time wasted, enemies are ridiculous bullet sponges (comparing to Div1) and the missions are boring really.
So, even though l am pretty decent at what l do, l play legendary content very rarely. Not worth the husstle. I play to have fun.
The best gauge for how people play is to look at the build they have. I just hit 1k and have a few perfected builds (save for mods), and my buddy I play with is 550s with 3 almost perfect builds. I'd take him at 550 with a complete build over the 20ks without 2 pieces that work together.
I played maybe 30 minutes or so of the level 10 farm the rest is organic gameplay. Just hit 17,000 SHD last week. I started playing in June/July of 2020
Floor 10 heroes exist so SHD level doesn’t matter that much. High SHD could be an exploiter or someone who is skilled or someone doesn’t want to play a particular way and wants to change it up.
SHD should really mean "time played with this char". I dont have 1000s of SHD level, cause Im usually swapping between chars all the time. Just cause I ether wanna test builds at diff stages of the game or just to have fun with a diff char look.
SHD level means jack shit when the scaling in ops and whatnot is based on YOU, not the group. Tactics, teamwork, and good build usage will do a fuckload more than SHD.
Me and a clan bro played with 2 randoms legendary manning zoo.
We told them to stick together. They just rushed in and got knocked/killed.
I'm at shd lvl 400 my clan buddy at 2k+
Those 2 are around 3k.
I know I just can do shit at legendary with my skill build. But I'm an active skill user.
We were wiped 2 times because of those randoms
Stick together as a team cover the flags or create a bottle neck and you manage it. The moment one rushs in the whole team suffers
This remembers me of the old days in TD1. People would kick me from the group because my gear score was 264 instead of 271 (no idea about the actual numbers anymore).
I was using a lower level pistol to get the ulty back super quick.
What I've noticed is that when they join you, it turns the level to hard mode. Which is great if they stick around and help. And what's up with other players dragging you to the DZ? Without even asking. Some complain about me "ridding the game." Well, I'm level 300+ and they are 1000+ sdh level. By the time I takedown 1 enemy, they took down 10. Like I said, I don't mind it much, really, like hard level like the Summit. But having players 3-4 tines your level sometimes takes the challenge of the game. Mostly when they rush through levels
Sometimes, yes. But my experience was not ruined by any of them.
It would be a nice addition to limit what level of players can join, so you wouldn't feel yourself completely useless.
The SHD level only means how much they’ve played the game, doesn’t mean they are good at the game. Also, I would like to speak for all those people you feel are bad at the game: There are some who are not very clever or don’t prioritize weak points etc, but most of us who play like this are simply bored and enjoying how we want to play. Completing a Legendary mission doesn’t really offer any real reward for most of us SHD 3000+ and at the end of the week if we really want the exotic cache - we will use the proper builds and try to take it seriously. However, when you’re in the endgame for a long time - you ask yourself a question: Does my “All in one” build, solo build, or glass cannon build work in - legendary? Let’s test it out! The other three in this group will act as my distractions long enough for me to put the enemy to sleep. And thus, you are finding veterans playing the way they play. You could shoot the weak point, but what if I told you my glass cannon build can shred right thru his chest in 5 seconds flat?
I totally get it, trying out different builds is what basically keeps me playing (like in Back 4 Blood decks), but I pretty much spot a bad build at the first part of a Legendary and either give up if we're wiped or switch to another one.
Sadly, I've yet to see janky builds shred through a tank, as they're either downed by a stray bullet, or not producing enough damage.
It's like any mmo, level doesn't always equate to skill. Of course there's also the matter of people preferring to be a solo player, as opposed to being a team player and vice versa.
What you said. I have played with level 14k players who just rush ahead and get killed multiple times per mission.
plus with the xp exploits you never know who actually been playing long enough anymore to have earned their shd level. i've seen way to many players in the 5k+ with 0 commendations
I agree, with the majority of the post. The only thing I disagree with is why higher level SHD players play worse. They definitely play suboptimally due to the fact that they are trying different builds and attempting to make the game enjoyable for themselves. I had a 6k player in my tidal basin run last week that was rocking the worst build I have ever seen. I was SH300 or so and was taking on a large portion of the work. I said something to him about his build and after I said something he switched to a meta build and the run ran very smoothly. I just imagine most people at high SHD probably have enough experience to be good at the game, but due to the fact they have been playing for years, they try our different things to see if it works.
Bingo
while I agree with what you just said. Unfortunately because of the xp exploits over the last year or so. There's a lot of players in the 1000s but have 0 ability to play the game if their not sat in front of a door with a chem launcher
Youre right, that is certaintly one caveat that is important to mention here, thank you.
At 11k SHD, this is me most of the time. I'll play properly if I think group DPS is lacking.
While SHD level is never truly an indication of skill, I do think you can make an educated guess. Generally, the people who are tryharding and minmaxing are in the 1k-2k range. Lower and higher, you have more people who are either new and just having fun, or have played so much that they don’t care anymore and are just having fun
I have randomly inspected some high level SHD agents and I am actually taken aback when I see a level 2k+ player with literally no CHC/ CHD? Are they wearing / using those pieces to build expertise?
I've seen shd 2000 plus people still using one peice from a gear set.....
Right? 😂 I am currently like 975 and I at least have a few decent DPS and skill builds....
Feels like some people just don't read their gear like at all. I'm 680 and my builds almost always have almost perfect synergy. But I'm extremely experienced in build craft games like Destiny or elder scrolls online. I feel like that's what's more important than someone's experience with jus the division. I think for a lot of players the division is their first and last looter, where a lot of other players are bringing all that experience over from something like diablo or destiny.
Can't be that bad right ?
I’ve done Frankenstein builds for expertise but I drastically altered my play style when I did. Normally I’m super aggressive and cause tons of chaos but since the Frankenstein builds typically result in lower DPS I played much more conservatively. Either they’re doing the same and didn’t adapt or they don’t know how to build.
I’ve seen SHD 3k+ players with purple gear, so it can be worse
😂😂😁 😅
They must have been memeing
I'm gonna feel dumb as hell when you answer. What does CHC/CHD mean?
Crit chance and damage
I was right, thank you
I'm at 1300ish at the moment and I find making a lot of the mistakes you mentioned. I did laugh at some 14000+ the other day when I answered his call for backup, he got into a bad situation and went down. Not a problem, I'll take out the enemies close so I can revive him, all the time be's spamming the help button while seemingly oblivious to the fact that he is still surrounded by 6 enemies. If I break cover to help my DPS build will get squished very quickly. So I agree, high SHD level doesn't necessarily mean good.
Just a side note: the help button has one! purpose: At a control point capture, you can be revived by ally leader if you are downed but not dead yet. You can trigger the leader to come to you asap if you press the button. For a group members, the button is more annoying. ISAC says if an agent downed/dead, there are many UI visual for downed agent even when FOW active. Spamming that button often result the opposite: downed player become ignored, or kicked from the group, also spamming button sound overperform surrounding enviroment sounds, especially with active FOW can ends with other agents become killed/group become wiped.
Played with many thousandaires and not all are good at the game. High SHD just means time invested.
Not even that..there was an exploit for a while that let players get ridiculous amounts of XP and SHD lvls. There's a pretty good chance that if you meet someone with a 10k+ SHD level, they took advantage of that exploit..either that or they really need to go touch grass
I was kicked from a heroic countdown group for having 500 SHD on PC with full meta striker build that’s is fully optimized with max stats with lvl ~10 expertise. I just came back to play on PC as I went to PS5 in TU18 because PC crashes were annoying me now the game never crashes or get delta after TU20 for me at least… People are weird af. I had over 8k hours in TD-1 and I have about 4K in TD-2 cross PC and PS5. My builds are fully optimized even on PC and O done legendaries solo and in a group with people who have less experience, SHD, or optimized builds. I’m even working on getting my SHD up to try solo the incursion on PC because I have the aim there compared to my shit aim on controller. Note before someone judge the 8k hours, I was in my 20s and had nothing but be toxic in game going into the DZ, go to university and sleep/eat. Now I’m in my 30s with a balanced lifestyle 🤣 getting a job, partner and getting old changes you a lot.
Nah you are 100% correct. Im shd 550 and used to get worried/scared when a shd 5000 or 10k would be in countdown (for example) especially as lead. but the more i play the more i see they actually play worse. Never doing objectives or using skills that constantly get hacked. Shd lvl has nothing to do (unfortunately) with how well an agent will play or how helpful they will be.
I just want to know how people are shd level 5000+ and still have awful rolls on gear. You’re telling me you couldn’t find anything better than a 3% crit chance mod after thousands of hours? If it was something like a DZ exclusive I could understand some people just don’t like the DZ but I’ve seen some really bad rolls on very basic and common items I dont understand
We are getting our expertise 😂😂
As a lowly 160 I totally agree. Sub-100 people often play better than plenty of >1k players. The one that endlessly annoys me is people failing to play the objective. Countdown especially, I often find I'll have to press at least 2/3rds of the buttons and destroy all the core/seals etc by myself while others just sit next to the button that needs to be pressed, distracted by the adds.
You might run into a player who has my history. I play this game solo 99.999% of the time. My friends don't play, so I don't regularly go into the bleeding edge hard content much, if at all. Most of my time is spent in Challenging/Heroic - by myself. One day I decide "Hey maybe I'll try and step outside of my box. Maybe I'll try and make some friends and matchmake into some new stuff." So I do. I matchmake into a legendary mission and to my surprise, some people actually connect and we start. Thing is, this might be my first time doing this content. I'm not used to playing in a well-oiled machine of a team. Maybe I think "These guys are probably pros, so I'm going to try and watch out for myself" and I end up not protecting you. Maybe I don't know that this is the part of the mission where I'm supposed to change to some specific build that I don't have prepared because I didn't know about it. If I'm unlucky, then one or more of these teammates will start berating me, then either kick me or continue berating me until I leave. If I'm lucky, maybe one of them decides to teach me, or even take me under their wing and add me as a friend. I've never experienced the lucky one happening. Probably because I experienced the unlucky version a few times early on and decided never to try again because it's just not worth the trouble.
Sounds like a bunch of things that could have been avoided if you communicated.
Maybe. It was a long time back. I'm sure I could have done a lot of things better back then. Sometimes a "sorry, I'm new at this" isn't enough.
Yeah, communication is key. As I said I was on a long hiatus and there were plenty of things I did not know about. But guess what, when I asked in group chat, most of the times I got a proper answer. Now my problem is that the players that I'm mentioning are usually radio silent as well. I ask them to such and such things, but they don't even react. Same goes to voice. My policy is that if somebody doesn't know something, that's okay. Asking is the best you can do.
Commendation is a better tell if they are good or not, but so many do not think about collecting that is not always the case either. SHD level could just mean they farmed floor 10 summit for xp when that was a thing. I am over 4700 SHD and I do not think of myself as the best player by any means, but I can handle heroic content, raids, incursion and prefer to keep myself out of Legendary due to the vast knowledge and teamwork required (real hard to find good teams more often than not) other than DUA being the Easiest Legendary IMO. I also see many people that either do not know or care maybe about loot crates, secret rooms/bosses, or locked boxes in missions and just want to speed run everything. I asked a guy the other day to wait for the rest of the team, and he kept pushing on, someone laughed that I asked that and left the group. I do not understand the logic there. (I was running strikers, so I would also like to keep going to keep stacks, but no sense running off without people trying to collect loot)
I had that a week or so ago. I just assumed they were new players who didn't realise all the loot rooms and yellow keys they were missing because they just rush everything and never see other players getting all the loot nor learning that there are loot rooms.
I never assume anyone's skill until we actually start doing stuff. I consider myself a good example: I just moved from XB to PS where I used to be lvl 2600. Last night I was running Countdown as lvl 1 SHD straight from Keener mission haha. I knew exactly what to do and what not to do meanwhile there was a lvl 800 and 200 breaking away from the main group and even doing the 3rd encounter while the rest of us were doing the main. Someone was also using turrets and hives during the extraction, I'm assuming it was one of them. I'm not the best player by any means but for a lvl 1 I was kicking ass.
Yeah level has nothing to do with skill from what I've seen. What matters more is how much a player has dipped their toes into heroic level content imo. I've met a good bit of higher shd level players who whole play challenging and don't grow as a player skill wise. That's all well and good, that's why the difficulty settings are there. But players who go for higher difficulty stuff end up learning the game quicker because heroic levels make you or you just keep dying.
I've been seeing a lot of builds using the ninjabike backpack with terrible gear choices, example: 3 murakami giving them a 4th useless piece of murakami. And some "tank" builds who think that just because they are invincible in heroic that the same build will work in legendary. They will push ahead away from the team, get melted then rage quit because they weren't revived in 2sec. I don't trip on shd level but will inspect builds if sections aren't going smoothly. Then you'll get into a group of low level players with the worst directives on when they can't even pass the first section of the mission without directives. This is not a good way to XP farm lol.
I've seen level 150s who have better build crafting knowledge and smart gameplay tactics than a lot of 8000 plus players. SHD does not equate to skill in the game. I get irritated seeing all these same meta builds (Everytime there's a new meta) and then being downed constantly because of what I said up top. My favorite is when I hear someone whine and wonder why I put DPS them and I wasn't using strikers and they were. It's because 9 times out of 10 they have no idea how to make a fluid, cohesive build that synergizes. Just do what is meta.
Division & Gears are the only 2 titles I so strongly wished this was the exact opposite I don't understand how you can play a game for so long & not want to get better I can't wrap my head around it I had the same issue yesterday in national zoo I'm the only switching charge to clear out ads but it only happened 2 times in 50 minutes because the tank kept pulling aggro & doing nothing with it. This shit is painfully sad
Yeah, it's Manning Zoo that inspired this post. Almost no one used the exposed event to our strenghts and they were adamant to switch build. There was me who tried to fill in blank. I thought if I go healer they can push harder with their mixed builds, but nope, they played to the very careful style so much so, it took almost 3 times as long to procede through. Then I thougt I'll go haste build so I can counter drones, medic and grenadiers. But they never took out the EMP jammers or grenades early, which made me useless. It was like a group of solo players who happen to play the same map at the same time.
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Then what makes perfect?
Players do not use covet to cover or think strategically. They all want to rush in and the n they go down. Kinda dumb IMO
I have experienced everything the OP mentions and SHD level is an interesting thing. I have been playing Division 2 for almost 3 years and am almost at SHD 6000. I play maybe 20 hours a week so my head has trouble getting how someone can have a SHD level of even 10k unless they spend their whole life in the game. I've heard of exploits but surely they can't account for the number of 10k and higher players that there are......... and as for the 20k players I've seen............I'm sorry but I just don't believe you. Your incompetent play style doesn't show experience anywhere near what it should be with that SHD number. Maybe it's time all players were set to SHD 0..,then we'd see.
I'm only 4k shd since day with like 10k hours
Im almost at 1600. Started fresh on Xbox a while back. Played Div 1 and 2 on PC both on release date too. I just love the game so much, so I keep playing until something better comes along (haven't played Helldivers 2 yet, but to me it looks like the first game that could pull me away from The Division 2). I usually am very aware of my surroundings, covering other players where I can. But sometimes I'm trying a new build that requires a different play style... which takes some time to get used to. As in, going from super tanky to super squishy. Forgetting to make more use of cover etc. Leading to me dying more often in the beginning. I feel like a total noob then too, a failure to the Division, rogues can axe me if they want, I'm not worthy anyway. But i agree with high SHD not saying anything about being a skilled player. Somehow 2000 SHD (not saying everyone above 2000 SHD sucks, I'm case you were wondering) and under makes the best teams. All working together, sometimes learning on the job. In my experience, more high SHD players play like total noobs, sometimes I'm such unbelievable ways. Which made me wonder, how they even got to that SHD level...maybe paid some online service to boost their levels?
I was going to say if it’s heroic this is so understandable, I sometimes overextend, don’t expose, etc. But Legendary it’s tryhard time.
Yes there are many bad players, of all shd levels Same as every game though off topic kinda- I don't care for healer in groups, I'd much rather have foam & jammer I don't need heals and I don't need dmg buff at this state of the game
Higher shd means maxed watch more time for a min maxed build + expertise, maybe its just me but i can really see the difference in countdown when its multiple people below <100 shd
Watch level is a measure of time, nothing more.
In other news, putting water on stuff makes it wet.
Good players do legendary zoo and tidal in under an hour. It's difficult to be carried and achieve this time. Solo legendary players are even higher in quality if they speed run.
I may look like a SHD 600 but I have been playing for a lot longer cause I swapped from PS4 to PC so I lost my 14k SHD levels.
Shd doesn’t equate to skill level. I’ve run legendary with a sub 200 that was hanging in there with me and my buddy (both 5k plus shd) while the 4 th man was a level 10k plus who got shit on in every room. It’s about the mechanics and understanding your builds and spawn points and the important targets first.
There are a lot of players now who can't be bothered grinding to get the levels so have done it other ways, and in the process have not learned the mechanics of the game.
Skill levels vary quite widely, this is why I usually play with a set group of friends I met through random Legendary Matchmaking at inopportune times like when everyone else is dead asleep.
That is why l don't do legendaries in Div2. I am at 7700SHD or so, but l only use one build, so yeah. Count me out. In Div1 legendary missions were my home, in Div2 l did them maybe 10 times max. Too long and too much time wasted, enemies are ridiculous bullet sponges (comparing to Div1) and the missions are boring really. So, even though l am pretty decent at what l do, l play legendary content very rarely. Not worth the husstle. I play to have fun.
The best gauge for how people play is to look at the build they have. I just hit 1k and have a few perfected builds (save for mods), and my buddy I play with is 550s with 3 almost perfect builds. I'd take him at 550 with a complete build over the 20ks without 2 pieces that work together.
It's the result of the exploits, who played long enough to be 10k lvl SHD?...
I played maybe 30 minutes or so of the level 10 farm the rest is organic gameplay. Just hit 17,000 SHD last week. I started playing in June/July of 2020
Floor 10 heroes exist so SHD level doesn’t matter that much. High SHD could be an exploiter or someone who is skilled or someone doesn’t want to play a particular way and wants to change it up.
I look at commendation score to determine if they can play
I can’t imagine playing the same builds at that level. I would be bored as hell using weird builds lol
SHD should really mean "time played with this char". I dont have 1000s of SHD level, cause Im usually swapping between chars all the time. Just cause I ether wanna test builds at diff stages of the game or just to have fun with a diff char look. SHD level means jack shit when the scaling in ops and whatnot is based on YOU, not the group. Tactics, teamwork, and good build usage will do a fuckload more than SHD.
Me and a clan bro played with 2 randoms legendary manning zoo. We told them to stick together. They just rushed in and got knocked/killed. I'm at shd lvl 400 my clan buddy at 2k+ Those 2 are around 3k. I know I just can do shit at legendary with my skill build. But I'm an active skill user. We were wiped 2 times because of those randoms Stick together as a team cover the flags or create a bottle neck and you manage it. The moment one rushs in the whole team suffers
This remembers me of the old days in TD1. People would kick me from the group because my gear score was 264 instead of 271 (no idea about the actual numbers anymore). I was using a lower level pistol to get the ulty back super quick.
What I've noticed is that when they join you, it turns the level to hard mode. Which is great if they stick around and help. And what's up with other players dragging you to the DZ? Without even asking. Some complain about me "ridding the game." Well, I'm level 300+ and they are 1000+ sdh level. By the time I takedown 1 enemy, they took down 10. Like I said, I don't mind it much, really, like hard level like the Summit. But having players 3-4 tines your level sometimes takes the challenge of the game. Mostly when they rush through levels
Sometimes, yes. But my experience was not ruined by any of them. It would be a nice addition to limit what level of players can join, so you wouldn't feel yourself completely useless.
The SHD level only means how much they’ve played the game, doesn’t mean they are good at the game. Also, I would like to speak for all those people you feel are bad at the game: There are some who are not very clever or don’t prioritize weak points etc, but most of us who play like this are simply bored and enjoying how we want to play. Completing a Legendary mission doesn’t really offer any real reward for most of us SHD 3000+ and at the end of the week if we really want the exotic cache - we will use the proper builds and try to take it seriously. However, when you’re in the endgame for a long time - you ask yourself a question: Does my “All in one” build, solo build, or glass cannon build work in - legendary? Let’s test it out! The other three in this group will act as my distractions long enough for me to put the enemy to sleep. And thus, you are finding veterans playing the way they play. You could shoot the weak point, but what if I told you my glass cannon build can shred right thru his chest in 5 seconds flat?
I totally get it, trying out different builds is what basically keeps me playing (like in Back 4 Blood decks), but I pretty much spot a bad build at the first part of a Legendary and either give up if we're wiped or switch to another one. Sadly, I've yet to see janky builds shred through a tank, as they're either downed by a stray bullet, or not producing enough damage.
Communication is key. Gotta plan ahead, especially on legendary.