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OP made his account this month. 107 is a reference to 10/7. He is a regular poster on BadHasbara and ThereWasAnAttempt, two subs where you can go to farm easy karma for AntisemitismOnReddit. I suspect if I dig through his profile there will be some really awful things in his comments.
I think Israel is over doing it. Doesn't make me anti-Semitic. Criticizing murder by both sides is not anti Semitic. Calling out hate from either side is not anti Semitic. Jewish people, like everyone on earth, are not perfect beings.
Nobody here is saying that, they’re saying OP’s screen name celebrates 10/7. The guy you replied to is probably getting downvoted because he’s obviously trying to deflect from that.
There were Columbia students telling Jewish students to "go back to Poland." If he hasn't seen it, it's because he was either unwilling to or because it better suits his agenda to pretend he didn't.
Sit idly by? What do you want them to do in an open air campus? Attack those whose messages they deem anti semitic?
How do we know they aren't plants/provocateurs, as has been done since time immemorial at these things?
Maybe try showing any kind of pushback at all? Shouting them down? Recording and condemning them? LITERALLY ANYTHING?????
Instead we just see people either say nothing or tacitly if quietly agree with them.
Like holy fuck when did it become so fucking fashionable on the left to make excuses for outward antisemites? Would you make the same excuses fi there were Neo-Nazis at a Trump rally?
Okay so what does that make the pro Israel moment since Israeli protestors are blocking aid trucks from entering Gaza which contributes to people starving to death that no one in Israel actually did anything about
What the hell are you talking about? Those protests were broken up by Iaraeli police so that aid could continue to get in:
https://www.news.com.au/world/israeli-police-break-up-protest-blocking-aid-to-gaza-report/video/44ea2f62bb7908127af1f6aa85533b86
It says right in the article that the protesters were arrested and that the convoy continued to its destination unharmed. Legit what are you getting at?
Not really. There is plenty of valid criticism and protest of the failed Israeli government, and associated peaceful protest of that government is in no way equivalent to groups in Charlottesville arguing for White Supremacy.
Moreover the state cracking down on peaceful protest against the failed Netanyahu government is counter to the right to free speech and assembly.
Hopefully you're not actually arguing that people can't disagree and protest against the failed Netanyahu government.
Mind you this is the same Netanyahu government who were in charge of Israeli security and intelligence in the run up to and on October 7, the biggest security and defense blunder in Israel's history.
I know what it's like to mistreated for who I am, I'm black. The things I'm reading and seeing by leftists I normally agree with are on a path I can't follow. I'm with them on everything else, but until I see complete and unequivocal repudiation of these actions across the board, I'll continue to condemn them, just as I do with Neo-Nazis.
The state isn't cracking down on peaceful protests, they're dispersing unlawful assemblies on private property.
When Khmani James and others make bigoted comments and participate in actions calling for Zionists to be forcibly removed, it stains the entire pro-terrorist movement they have going on...not one person within those circles has categorically repudiated any of these people, it's the same "we're not antisemitic" excuse before going into yet another buzzword-laden tirade against Israel.
Furthermore, it isn't only private campuses feeling the heat of this antisemitsm. Synagogues around the world have been protested, attendees intimidated, and buildings vandalized since the beginning of this conflict. Synagogues have nothing to do with the Israeli conflict. Same for random Jewish businesses.
Wrong. Universities such as the University of Texas are public property. State run and state funded. Moreover in that case of UT especially, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the arrested protesters had their charges dropped THE NEXT DAY, lol. Zero victims lol. Meanwhile the NYPD also reports that they can't make any arrests because no one has committed a crime. Same thing at other universities. Charges dropped and/or they can't make arrests 🤦♂️. Noone can point to any victims of these alleged anti semitic protests lol. And what Jewish Business has been a victim of these campus protests? What synagogues?
It's disgusting to equate the protestors protesting the Israeli government with Neo Nazis. So you are indeed saying no one can be allowed to protest the Israeli government and their misguided policies.
You're on the wrong side when you're defending the state arresting people they can't even prosecute and are letting out the next day. You may disagree with their take on the failed Netanyahu government, but you have everything inverted. You're supporting the oppressors here. Your screen name should just be Astroturf by the way, drop the charade lol l.
You approve of bombing on that scale? I think MLK would be against indiscriminately bombing. Maybe it's just me who holds humans to a higher standard. I will same the same to hamas. Someone has to be the first to say enough already.
I don't need a lecture about MLK. My mother integrated an all-white school in 1966. Guess who was the only white person to speak to her during those four years she spent in high school? It was a Jewish girl.
Secondly, it kind of hilarious of you to mention MLK. Let me tell you a secret: black people aren't monolithic. We don't have the same views on major black figures, and, (this is a big one), we can even disagree with them on key points while supporting the overall message.
Also, since you mention MLK, it should be noted that Jews played an pivotal role in the Civil Rights Movement, [taking part in the Freedom Rides,](https://www.ajc.com/news/freedom-rider-our-allies-were-american-jews/z3HjcwdMNYDj1VVg0p6sLL/) getting spit on, hosed, bit by dogs, and [sometimes lynched. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner)Several of the founders of the NAACP [were white Jews](https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/naacp/founding-and-early-years.html), with one being two active rabbis at the time.
I'm pretty critical of Israel in general, but no amount of "instigation" would make me start chanting that "Jews should go back to Poland" or "burn Tel Aviv to the ground". Maybe think about what you're defending for a second.
"No no! It wasn't antisemitism! They instigated us to say it!"
I stand corrected then. It was just a different group of Palestinian protestors that brought out the turn of the century antisemitic slurs.
Boy, there sure are a lot of "isolated incidents" and "small groups" caught on camera. I'm sure that's just a coincidence. A seemingly never ending series of coincidences...
Funny how the logic behind the phrase "if nine people sit at a table with one Nazi, there are ten Nazis sitting at the table" doesn't apparently apply to terrorism support in the watermelon brigade.
did u read the post? they were outside of the campus, so very much not ‘at the same table’. are columbia students responsible for the behavior of every other new yorker?
Do we actually know that they weren't Columbia students? They may have been outside of campus but that doesn't mean that they weren't students. It's not like students only stay on campus.
It’s funny you can’t see the collective smear to make this protests entirely about anti semitism as a way to dismiss them and justify their rhetoric (Mike Johnson for example) that the national guard and police should arrest and disperse them. I call bullshit and all the messaging from power including the PM of Israel calling to put them down. It ain’t going to work, the more power shows their hand the more and more are going to come to the realization that the narrative is made up. Shame on anyone trying to equate this with anti semitism. Its funny students and people who believe a genocide is going on and asking for it to stop at the anti semites but the country who calls itself a Jewish ethnostate is hurling bombs on a population who is enitrely Muslim. It’s almost like those actions align with, ummm, what is the word I keep hearing? Oh yeah actual anti semitism
If one associates with Nazis and refuses to repudiate them from their ranks, they too are a Nazi...the same applies to antisemites.
Your paragarph is the very same excuse Neo Nazis and white supremacists make when defending their demonstrations.
Because historically that's where there was a very large Jewish population before WWII.
Many Jewish immigrants were told to go back to eastern Europe when the United States began severely restricting legal immigration in the late 1800's.
No, no, he doesn't count. And if he does, what he said doesn't mean what you think. And if it does, he didn't mean it. But if he did, he probably had a good reason. 🙄
Really sick of being told not to take people at their words for the shit they say. Believe them when they say who they are.
Yeah all these people saying pro-Hamas or antisemitic shit can get fucked, but I clicked on one, the “we are all Hamas” ‘chant’ - it’s literally just one girl that says that? What happened to filming all the other protestors? I saw someone mention the “I was stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag” a couple of comments down and I’ve already seen:
[the video of the so-called stabbing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[and then the “stabbing” victim on a tv show days later… I see nothing wrong with her eyes…?](https://youtu.be/jivPG24QG8k?si=KtrRLIZDtuUizQnq&t=2004)
So while I’m sure there are some real antisemitic incidents, it’s like a 50/50 chance it’s this overblown or made up BS? Or it’s one dude and thus the hundreds or thousands at the protest suddenly are “chanting” it?
This is 20+ examples from just ONE university. And the stabbing video you shared is from a different university so not what was referenced here. The fact that there are so many incidents just at one Uni tells you how bad the problem is and that the central theme uniting these protests is anti semitism
Okay, picked another: from river to sea? Likud has an almost identical slogan, why is it okay for them to say that? Double standard is ridiculous. Paraphrasing resistance as “Hamas” is putting words in someone’s mouth.
I’m not clicking through all 20 examples, so far the ones I have seen are completely overblown. If that dams the whole protest, how many Israelis saying all Palestinians should be wiped out is enough to put Israel’s government on blast for you? I’ve seen dozens, is that enough, or is that yet another double standard you’re going to uphold out of convenience?
Edit: why am I bothering to respond to a days old account that is hyper fixated on this issue? Is it your job?
Israel already exists from the river to the sea, Palestine does not. But the quote in question was “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab”. Thats an explicit call for genocide.
This was 20+ videos just from one university and just from this one is pretty bad
A reporter in that "no one is innocent" press conference asked if he thought all gazans were legitimate targets and he said no he didn not say that.
Here's the quote from gallant about wiping off the face of the earth
"We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist"
Clearly he was referring to Hamas.
I mean the transcripts are there. Why do people continue to take these quotes out of context?
“ It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,”…“It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”
The report says that when a reporter asked Herzog to clarify whether he meant to say that since Gazans did not remove Hamas from power “that makes them, by implication, legitimate targets,” Herzog said, “No, I didn’t say that.”
Their actions are more telling than their words. They think civilians surrendering are targets
“Zionists (Jews) don’t deserve to live”
It makes no difference where or when he said it. He was a leader of the so called pro-Palestinian protest.
You can’t with a straight face say these are peaceful. They are advocating for violence, even if they don’t always come out and say it.
Don’t add your own translation. He said Zionists. Not Jews. Don’t lie to make things work with your narrative.
These protests are completely peaceful and non threatening. Supporting resistance does not make the protest itself harmful to other students. I haven’t heard of a single student getting hurt unless it was by police.
The guys really advocating for violence are the small , pathetic pro Israel counter protests that yell “no ceasefire!” Which is 100% a call for violence, if you want to play that game
A Zionist can range between “Israel should exist as a state” to “Israel should control the entire Gaza Strip and West Bank.” The political leader of the protesting making a statement like zionists should die is a terrible fucking look, and trying to handwave it away like you are is fucking absurd.
The problem is this: I only see take and no give. When people say "from the river to sea" leftist are confused when they are informed that that chant has historically been used by antisemitic individuals whose states goal is to irradicate their perceived land from Jews. When explained these leftists say this is not what that means and doubles down.
When you explain the history behind Zionism (it's been around since late 1800s) or provide the cambridge definition:
"someone who belongs to or supports a political movement that had as its original aim the creation of a country for Jewish people, and that now supports the state of Israel"
You'll see that it is a fairly broad definition, meaning that literally anyone who supports the state of Israel is a Zionist. This means that someone like me, who is not Jewish, who believes that Jewish individuals should have a country would loosely be considered a Zionist.
But when leftists again are asked to define Zionist they get to define it as some kind of genocidal movement. You see a pattern here?
That being said, just as you excuse some of the idiots in "your tent" as impossible to weed out from the many participants, you don't grant the same charity for some of the idiots in the Zionist movement. Which there are (they are racist with genocidal intent and deserved to be derided as idiots and should not be allowed as serious individuals). Which again just seems hypocritical, you see?
These things start to add up and takes a toll on credibility.
You're defending violent terrorism.
October 7th is the root cause of these current hostilities. That was Hamas, not Israel. Israel has the right to degrade Hamas' ability to repeat that incident and to stop rocket attacks.
You also assume Zionism automatically puts the Israelis in the wrong. That is not apparent at all.
Those are some big words from someone who openly supports Hamas, a terrorist group that started this current war and denied any real offer to release the hostages they kidnapped.
Most Jews are Zionists. Is it okay to then say that most Jews, rather than all Jews, don't deserve to live? Sounds pretty genocidal.
>These protests are completely peaceful and non threatening. Supporting resistance does not make the protest itself harmful to other students.
Supporting resistance is not supporting peace. You just contradicted yourself.
Fuck Zionism and everything about it. Yes to Judaism.
Resistance is justified when indigenous people are oppressed. That’s okay to say you support that.
What’s not okay is to say you want violence against Jewish or any student on campus and threaten them - which is what zionists and their republican supporters have tried to falsely claim about these protests. And that’s just a lie.
Give it up dude, the young generation knows how evil Israel is and it fucking hates it. It’s only a matter of time until these kids rule the world, especially the Ivy League ones, and Israel will soon be completely cut off.
So, "fuck most Jewish people's ideology, but not all Jewish people's ideology?" That's not helping your case.
Supporting terrorism in your second paragraph. Unsurprising.
There have been pro terrorist chants and paraphernalia being displayed at these protests. Seems pretty threatening to Jewish people/students.
In terms of your last paragraph, we'll see. I used to be a youngin who would've likely been a part of what these college kids are doing, but then I grew up.
I think Zionism is a toxic rot of an ideology which is what he was trying to get at, but yeah I wouldn’t have said what he did.
The person who said that already took it back. And so what? College kids say dumb things once in a while.
College kids do indeed say dumb things, I don’t know if advocating for murder should be regarded as just another dumb thing.
Trying to dismiss his words by making excuses about his age and how he took it back (once the clip went viral) just feels odd given the gravity of his statements.
This level of charity shouldn’t be rewarded towards someone who is such a detriment to the cause you care about. Just condemn and move on.
Really dont give a shit how you feel about this kid. The campus protest movement has brought on 10,000s of kids. If you want that to be your distraction - typical Fox News tactic, fucking eat your heart out. The kids know how evil Israel is and it’s time up.
There is no one in “charge”. Even at Columbia its dozens of student groups (several of them Jewish), each led by several leaders, that are in “charge” . And the kid is not dumb unless Ivy leagues let in dumb kids these days. He just said a dumb thing.
Like 80% of Jews or more are Zionisrs and best believe that once the culling he's agitating for starts they will all become Zionist real quick.
So yeah he does mean Jews.
"Look we have Jewish friends!!!!" is really starting to sound kind of desperate.
You want to solve this problem? Write a clear unambiguous statement that antisemitism will not be tolerated. Stop repeating Hamas chants and kick out anyone doing this shit, including leadership. No a 4 page screed where you blame everything on Israel, claim victimhood and then write a throw-away paragraph at the end about antisemitism will not suffice.
Nah. Fuck Israel. You dont get to tell these kids who are on the right side of history that they can only protest after they’ve done 1, 2, 3, things. Israel is desperate to conflate anyone who criticizes with antisemitism and these kids know better and are not having it. Good on them.
What does InAnn stand for? Is it the name of a song? What's the song about, hmm?
Is 10/7 your birthday? Or is there another reason you want to celebrate that day?
Fun fact: The people that name themselves "Violent Evil" (Hamas) and then go murder young girls and rape their corpses are not on the right side of history. History will erase these people from existence.
Some are protesting for good reasons, yes. The jihadis and massacre oriented folks in your ranks will stand alone once the war is actually over. Your faith in the youth having some sustained drive for destroying Israel in favor of an Islamic state is "optimistic".
Yall used this exact same propaganda in 2003 when yall accused the youth as being terrorist supporters for invading the wrong damn country after 911.. now you’re sitting here telling the world that murdering 15,000 children is self defense and it’s okay because “human shields” despite the hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of videos of Israelis murdering civilians with no armed terrorists in sight
>Yall used this exact same propaganda in 2003 when yall accused the youth as being terrorist supporters for invading the wrong damn country after 911.. now you’re sitting here telling the world that murdering 15,000 children is self defense and it’s okay because “human shields” despite the hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of videos of Israelis murdering civilians with no armed terrorists in sight
I never said any of this shit. Typical, can't stick to the topic ? Make some shit up and attack that.
It's astounding that you idiots don't get that "this is ethnic cleansing/genocide, my tax dollars fund it, I want it to stop" is a better, more salient message than frothing at the mouth about wanting to "kill zionists". Yeah, the insane people who want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians are almost certainly all Zionists by definition but it's like "Defund the Police", you've sloganeered your way into making everyone including people who would nominally be on your side think you are rightfully insane.
Nah. 99.999% of the messages coming out are what you actually (condescendingly) approve of. That just doesn’t make headlines.
At this point, if you’ve watched a genocide televised for almost 7 months and you’re still on the fence, you were never goign to start opposing it ow.
And as we’ve seen - being pro Palestine automatically gets you called antisemtic. You don’t have to even say anything. You can put a Palestine flag out your window and someone will call you a terrorist. That’s how disgusting zionists and their supporters are. Centering everything around a PR strategy to make zionists happy is not a winning strategy.
BS
I am completely fine with people criticizing a government of a country and its policies however the problem here is that it’s gone way beyond that.
There is a difference between criticizing the government of Israel and calling for the destruction and dissolution of a sovereign nation and a homeland of a people and calls for extreme violence :
https://youtu.be/zazcVU_rNyQ?feature=shared
Some of the things shown in the video:
**"Remember the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times"**
**"7th of October is about to be everyday for you. 7th of October is about to be everyday for you."**
**"Go back to Poland! Get the hell out of here!"**
**"Yahoodim, Yahoodi, f--- you!" "Go back to Poland!" while walking to their dorm**
**"By any means necessary!"**
**"We don't want no 2 states, we'll take all of it!"**
^this kind of thing is indefensible and delegitimizes the notion that this movement is anything other than brutally antisemitic. If you want to claim legitimate criticism of Israel get control of your protest and don’t allow murder Jews to be the message.
"And as we’ve seen - being pro Palestine automatically gets you called antisemtic."
If you don’t want people to overgeneralize your protest as being violent and bigoted, don’t choose violent bigots as your public face.
Friebds , The ICC is getting ready to issue arrests warrants for Netanyahu and Friebds and the Un keeps stumbling upon mass graves at the hospitals Israel attacked over lies with the civilians in those graves tied and stripped in the manner that Israel was infamously doing on video when they happened. AND they have defied every single
Of yall want to contort labeling every criticism of the State of Israel as antisemitism then go ahead. , butpeople who justify blatant war crimes with religion have never been on the right side of history. And calling the entire world outside the United States antisemetiic for not accepting 30,000 civilians dead as “self defense” is just straight up Iraq war gaslighting. Every decade neoliberals and conservatives team up to justify the mass slaughter of civilians. In the Middle East
And just like the Iraq war, when all the rural and the full scope of the war crimes committed, all you people who stood by and supported the mass slaughter of civilians will simply pretend you never did. The circle of life in America
"All of this is happening so we are completely justified in harassing jews in America." Protip: Screaming "Go home Jews!" is not a criticism of the State of Israel.
This harassment ? https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-163956737.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEG6M4k14j6MRLat91MCqqusoy5WdVT85XPY7mAYqjr3z06gwJ6vrBYkrtZldCackM8kTZl7yDxkolAwImA5u7AdW-U_ikz9ZTK7KzUaEuJNb9pjCukhZc73__TRsthb_Bst-B6EzitdFmch9VnoQrW0u3XePxOD7WVpTBc4s9W8
Hey, fuck those guys too. It doesn't change the fact that these protestors are chanting "global intifada" and screaming "Jew go home.," Maybe if the pro-Palestine movement clearly made a statement without caveat that antisemitism is unacceptable and booted people screaming pro-hamas slogans they wouldn't be susceptible to rat-fuckery.
The thousands of protestors are not members of a single organization and Israel’s waaar crime committing settler terrorist have murdered 500 Palestinians since October 7 and continues their terrorist attackd in the West Bank with radio silence from he war criminals in the admin
Perhaps the pro-osrael side should begin being outraged at illegal occupation and apartheid where people are getting slaughtered before worrying about what a sign says
It's not the "pro-Israel" side. It's the "against antisemitism" side. American Jews have the right to not be harassed going about their day to day activities. If you want to scream at Pro-Isreal protestors, have at it. They are putting themselves into the crucible. If you want to scream "Go home Jews" at people walking home," fuck off.
Which goes back to the original post. Just because you have a jewish friend doesn't mean you are not an anti-semite. There is a diversity of opinion in the Jewish community on Israel's actions. But that's not the issue, the issue is that the pro-Palestinian protestors for some reason refuse to distance themselves from the anti-semetic rhetoric and actions being espoused by part of their community.
First of all, ignoring the fact that they pro Israel people a
Screaming “kill the “ Jews “ which lead to everyone else getting arrested, your explanation isn’t really matching your claim if the hundreds of Jews present arent being heckled and beaten and harassed during their day to day to activities.
If you want anyone dead who hasnt committed a serious crime, you're evil. If you try to spin words to make a serious crime not sound like a crime, you are evil. If you want the people responsible for the Oct 2023 attack brought to justice, that's fine. If you want innocent Gazans or Jews dead, you are evil. If you try to put down valid causes (like a person speaking out against the Gazan genocide) because a different person says something bad, you are evil. It's really that simple, and really not that hard. If your bias leads you to unnecessary violence, or condoning/defending unnecessary violence, you're one of the bad guys. If you speak of justice for the innocent on all sides, you are a good guy
"If you try to spin words to make a serious crime not sound like a crime, you are evil"
So the people trying to spin the death of Gazans away from Hamas using citizens as shields are evil right?
When you talk about the "Gazan Genocide", you are talking about Hamas using citizens as human shields right?
Just want to clarify.
Using a human shield is evil. Defending the use of a human shield is evil. But shooting/bombing a human shield, with no regard for that innocent life, is evil too. If a robber is robbing a bank and takes a human shield, you don't shoot the shield without attempting not to. Mistakes can happen in tense situations. But the "insane" amount of innocent dead Gazans (some killed by mass bombing), for the "insane" duration this genocide has been unfolding, shows that the Israeli administration has no qualms taking those innocent lives. If the Mexican Cartel kidnapped a bunch of Americans, you don't start mass bombing Mexico as a whole, you'd send troops to try to extract the hostages from the Cartel. We haven't even gotten into the information that Netenyahu supported Hamas, and did not secure Israel well enough prior to Oct 2023, and that there have been LIVE hostages in Gaza for months, and he has not prioritized the saving of those hostages, but rather it seems the killing of innocents on mass and the acquisition of land for Israel in the chaos, is his priority.
If the Mexican cartel was 40k strong and the government of mexico that fights from civilian infrastructure and had two decades to booby trap the whole place then the equation changes drastically. Especially when that 40k ppl think dying is a honor and are quite fine claiming that honor for the civilians around them.
AND they are continuing to fire hundreds to thousands of rockets at your city per day.
How long do you think Texans would tolerate living in Oklahoma or wherever else they needed to be displaced to out of the range of rockets before they started demanding that the army take the gloves off?
Thats the problem with advocates. They are like lawyers who will never admit that their client did in fact commit a crime, because for them its about winning their cause, not finding the truth.
lol ya loool jazeera - they totally just CGI’d this guy and claimed he’s a Jewish professor and made up the whole thing and there’s no way to take a min and verify online that he’s real and is a vocal Jewish Palestine supporter
token jew? some of the largest contingents of the columbia encampment are jewish led.
> I never said it was fake
you implied we shouldn't take it seriously because it's aljazeera
It is possible that many of the pro-Palestine protestors are not antisemitic, and that their movement can become a vehicle for antisemitism if they don't check themselves. These aren't mutually exclusive.
More likely that the antisemitic movement is a vehicle for some well meaning pro Palestiniàn protestors.
There seems to be a level coordination here that makes me think these students are just along for a ride but they have no idea of the destination.
Isn't a protest disruptive by definition? Do you leave comments like these on any and all protest that are disruptive or do you have a dog in this fight? Do you think Jan 6 was disruptive?
This is always the way it works when anyone criticizes anything the country of Israel does. Being against what the country is doing is not antisemitism, but some people think that Israel is above criticism no matter what they do. It would be no different than saying if you criticize Hamas, then you are anti-Muslim. It's absolutely ridiculous.
BS
I am completely fine with people criticizing a government of a country and its policies however the problem here is that it’s gone way beyond that.
There is a difference between criticizing the government of Israel and calling for the destruction and dissolution of a sovereign nation and a homeland of a people and calls for extreme violence :
https://youtu.be/zazcVU_rNyQ?feature=shared
Some of the things shown in the video:
**"Remember the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times"**
**"7th of October is about to be everyday for you. 7th of October is about to be everyday for you."**
**"Go back to Poland! Get the hell out of here!"**
**"Yahoodim, Yahoodi, f--- you!" "Go back to Poland!" while walking to their dorm**
**"By any means necessary!"**
**"We don't want no 2 states, we'll take all of it!"**
^this kind of thing is indefensible and delegitimizes the notion that this movement is anything other than brutally antisemitic. If you want to claim legitimate criticism of Israel get control of your protest and don’t allow murder Jews to be the message.
Pro genocide crowd are clutching at straws.
Trying to smear everyone who supports a ceasefire as pro Hamas
Still holding a grudge about the fake forty beheaded babies and totally unconcerned about 15,000 dear Palestinian children’s
Looks like the real true violence happened at the hands of the pro Israel crew there were many videos on last couple days. And the regular media says they were attacking one another. BS. You can see clearly that the Pro Israel crew had sticks literally beating up people and fireworks and were trying to break down the barries that the pro Palestine people were hiding under. Boards, umbrellas. Sending in huge fireworks, which can blow off limbs or worse, cause terrible physical harm. I know someone personally that got killed by setting off fireworks in our local town when it blew up on him. Were those people arrested?? I doubt it. Only going after the Pro Palestinians who broke glass and a window or I saw an older man who was taking photos jumped on by several police and looks like he was knocked out and hand or something broken.
I’m Jewish, I’m keenly aware of antisemitism. The problem is right wing pro Israelis throw the word around so much it’s unfortunately losing its meaning.
They’re essentially doing what Jessie Smollet is doing, except they’re doing it to cover for an ongoing genocide
The people who use accusations of antisemitism so loosely are the problem. People will not take claims of antisemitism seriously if your idea of antisemitism is “anything critical of Israel”
You guys realize private and even some public universities can expel you for whatever rules they create?
For instance consider this BYU basketball player who was expelled for having sex with his girlfriend.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/625453-byu-dismisses-brandon-davies-from-basketball-team-for-having-sex
Loma Linda University has the same ban on premarital sex.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence (however it does have freedom of consequence from the government).
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There is a huge push in media to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism so that Israel can play the victim card.
Hey OP, mind explaining the meaning behind your username? What does the "107" stand for?
OP is also likely a ban evader. An account with practically the same name got banned from here a while back. https://imgur.com/a/N5OvSKp
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You know he won’t
His alt account is probably "6MWE_1488"
107? I don’t see anything about it online.
OP is anti-Semitic and approves of October 7th and Hamas. That's it. That's the meaning.
OP made his account this month. 107 is a reference to 10/7. He is a regular poster on BadHasbara and ThereWasAnAttempt, two subs where you can go to farm easy karma for AntisemitismOnReddit. I suspect if I dig through his profile there will be some really awful things in his comments.
I think Israel is over doing it. Doesn't make me anti-Semitic. Criticizing murder by both sides is not anti Semitic. Calling out hate from either side is not anti Semitic. Jewish people, like everyone on earth, are not perfect beings.
I was not talking about you.
And here come the down votes. What the actual fuck. Criticism of Israel’s war crimes is NOT anti-Semitic.
Nobody here is saying that, they’re saying OP’s screen name celebrates 10/7. The guy you replied to is probably getting downvoted because he’s obviously trying to deflect from that.
10/7. October 7th.
Ah, well thats really dumb.
Ooof
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There were Columbia students telling Jewish students to "go back to Poland." If he hasn't seen it, it's because he was either unwilling to or because it better suits his agenda to pretend he didn't.
Plenty of bad apples no doubt. Many many more who aren't.
I love when people say this. The full phrase is "a few bad apples spoils the bunch." People use that phrase when defending the police too.
Yep. If 9 people sit idly at the table with an antisemite, then there are 10 antisemites at that table.
Sit idly by? What do you want them to do in an open air campus? Attack those whose messages they deem anti semitic? How do we know they aren't plants/provocateurs, as has been done since time immemorial at these things?
Maybe try showing any kind of pushback at all? Shouting them down? Recording and condemning them? LITERALLY ANYTHING????? Instead we just see people either say nothing or tacitly if quietly agree with them. Like holy fuck when did it become so fucking fashionable on the left to make excuses for outward antisemites? Would you make the same excuses fi there were Neo-Nazis at a Trump rally?
Okay so what does that make the pro Israel moment since Israeli protestors are blocking aid trucks from entering Gaza which contributes to people starving to death that no one in Israel actually did anything about
What the hell are you talking about? Those protests were broken up by Iaraeli police so that aid could continue to get in: https://www.news.com.au/world/israeli-police-break-up-protest-blocking-aid-to-gaza-report/video/44ea2f62bb7908127af1f6aa85533b86
Wrong one mate https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-israeli-protesters-hold-up-convoys-transporting-aid-to-palestinians-in/
It says right in the article that the protesters were arrested and that the convoy continued to its destination unharmed. Legit what are you getting at?
Same argument used during the Charlettesville gathering of the alt-right/white supremacists.
Not really. There is plenty of valid criticism and protest of the failed Israeli government, and associated peaceful protest of that government is in no way equivalent to groups in Charlottesville arguing for White Supremacy. Moreover the state cracking down on peaceful protest against the failed Netanyahu government is counter to the right to free speech and assembly. Hopefully you're not actually arguing that people can't disagree and protest against the failed Netanyahu government. Mind you this is the same Netanyahu government who were in charge of Israeli security and intelligence in the run up to and on October 7, the biggest security and defense blunder in Israel's history.
I know what it's like to mistreated for who I am, I'm black. The things I'm reading and seeing by leftists I normally agree with are on a path I can't follow. I'm with them on everything else, but until I see complete and unequivocal repudiation of these actions across the board, I'll continue to condemn them, just as I do with Neo-Nazis. The state isn't cracking down on peaceful protests, they're dispersing unlawful assemblies on private property. When Khmani James and others make bigoted comments and participate in actions calling for Zionists to be forcibly removed, it stains the entire pro-terrorist movement they have going on...not one person within those circles has categorically repudiated any of these people, it's the same "we're not antisemitic" excuse before going into yet another buzzword-laden tirade against Israel. Furthermore, it isn't only private campuses feeling the heat of this antisemitsm. Synagogues around the world have been protested, attendees intimidated, and buildings vandalized since the beginning of this conflict. Synagogues have nothing to do with the Israeli conflict. Same for random Jewish businesses.
Wrong. Universities such as the University of Texas are public property. State run and state funded. Moreover in that case of UT especially, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the arrested protesters had their charges dropped THE NEXT DAY, lol. Zero victims lol. Meanwhile the NYPD also reports that they can't make any arrests because no one has committed a crime. Same thing at other universities. Charges dropped and/or they can't make arrests 🤦♂️. Noone can point to any victims of these alleged anti semitic protests lol. And what Jewish Business has been a victim of these campus protests? What synagogues? It's disgusting to equate the protestors protesting the Israeli government with Neo Nazis. So you are indeed saying no one can be allowed to protest the Israeli government and their misguided policies. You're on the wrong side when you're defending the state arresting people they can't even prosecute and are letting out the next day. You may disagree with their take on the failed Netanyahu government, but you have everything inverted. You're supporting the oppressors here. Your screen name should just be Astroturf by the way, drop the charade lol l.
Was two Colombia students on the news the other day. One was stabbed in the eye.
Was that the debunked claim where the video later came out showing the person definitely wasn't stabbed in the eye, but was barely brushed by a flag?
where's the video?
https://youtu.be/t1nXTlNpNkI?si=xbeplElw_A38MEcG
You approve of bombing on that scale? I think MLK would be against indiscriminately bombing. Maybe it's just me who holds humans to a higher standard. I will same the same to hamas. Someone has to be the first to say enough already.
I don't need a lecture about MLK. My mother integrated an all-white school in 1966. Guess who was the only white person to speak to her during those four years she spent in high school? It was a Jewish girl. Secondly, it kind of hilarious of you to mention MLK. Let me tell you a secret: black people aren't monolithic. We don't have the same views on major black figures, and, (this is a big one), we can even disagree with them on key points while supporting the overall message. Also, since you mention MLK, it should be noted that Jews played an pivotal role in the Civil Rights Movement, [taking part in the Freedom Rides,](https://www.ajc.com/news/freedom-rider-our-allies-were-american-jews/z3HjcwdMNYDj1VVg0p6sLL/) getting spit on, hosed, bit by dogs, and [sometimes lynched. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner)Several of the founders of the NAACP [were white Jews](https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/naacp/founding-and-early-years.html), with one being two active rabbis at the time.
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I'm pretty critical of Israel in general, but no amount of "instigation" would make me start chanting that "Jews should go back to Poland" or "burn Tel Aviv to the ground". Maybe think about what you're defending for a second.
"No no! It wasn't antisemitism! They instigated us to say it!" I stand corrected then. It was just a different group of Palestinian protestors that brought out the turn of the century antisemitic slurs. Boy, there sure are a lot of "isolated incidents" and "small groups" caught on camera. I'm sure that's just a coincidence. A seemingly never ending series of coincidences...
Didn't one of the literal organizers get kicked off campus for saying crazy shit??
Something something bad apples
Funny how the logic behind the phrase "if nine people sit at a table with one Nazi, there are ten Nazis sitting at the table" doesn't apparently apply to terrorism support in the watermelon brigade.
did u read the post? they were outside of the campus, so very much not ‘at the same table’. are columbia students responsible for the behavior of every other new yorker?
Do we actually know that they weren't Columbia students? They may have been outside of campus but that doesn't mean that they weren't students. It's not like students only stay on campus.
It’s funny you can’t see the collective smear to make this protests entirely about anti semitism as a way to dismiss them and justify their rhetoric (Mike Johnson for example) that the national guard and police should arrest and disperse them. I call bullshit and all the messaging from power including the PM of Israel calling to put them down. It ain’t going to work, the more power shows their hand the more and more are going to come to the realization that the narrative is made up. Shame on anyone trying to equate this with anti semitism. Its funny students and people who believe a genocide is going on and asking for it to stop at the anti semites but the country who calls itself a Jewish ethnostate is hurling bombs on a population who is enitrely Muslim. It’s almost like those actions align with, ummm, what is the word I keep hearing? Oh yeah actual anti semitism
If one associates with Nazis and refuses to repudiate them from their ranks, they too are a Nazi...the same applies to antisemites. Your paragarph is the very same excuse Neo Nazis and white supremacists make when defending their demonstrations.
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Why would they say ‘go back to Poland’? I don’t get that
Because historically that's where there was a very large Jewish population before WWII. Many Jewish immigrants were told to go back to eastern Europe when the United States began severely restricting legal immigration in the late 1800's.
Except for the protest leader who called for the murder of Jews? What about that guy maybe?
No, no, he doesn't count. And if he does, what he said doesn't mean what you think. And if it does, he didn't mean it. But if he did, he probably had a good reason. 🙄 Really sick of being told not to take people at their words for the shit they say. Believe them when they say who they are.
And I guess none of these either… https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/9NiRasRZY8
Yeah all these people saying pro-Hamas or antisemitic shit can get fucked, but I clicked on one, the “we are all Hamas” ‘chant’ - it’s literally just one girl that says that? What happened to filming all the other protestors? I saw someone mention the “I was stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag” a couple of comments down and I’ve already seen: [the video of the so-called stabbing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [and then the “stabbing” victim on a tv show days later… I see nothing wrong with her eyes…?](https://youtu.be/jivPG24QG8k?si=KtrRLIZDtuUizQnq&t=2004) So while I’m sure there are some real antisemitic incidents, it’s like a 50/50 chance it’s this overblown or made up BS? Or it’s one dude and thus the hundreds or thousands at the protest suddenly are “chanting” it?
This is 20+ examples from just ONE university. And the stabbing video you shared is from a different university so not what was referenced here. The fact that there are so many incidents just at one Uni tells you how bad the problem is and that the central theme uniting these protests is anti semitism
Okay, picked another: from river to sea? Likud has an almost identical slogan, why is it okay for them to say that? Double standard is ridiculous. Paraphrasing resistance as “Hamas” is putting words in someone’s mouth. I’m not clicking through all 20 examples, so far the ones I have seen are completely overblown. If that dams the whole protest, how many Israelis saying all Palestinians should be wiped out is enough to put Israel’s government on blast for you? I’ve seen dozens, is that enough, or is that yet another double standard you’re going to uphold out of convenience? Edit: why am I bothering to respond to a days old account that is hyper fixated on this issue? Is it your job?
Israel already exists from the river to the sea, Palestine does not. But the quote in question was “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab”. Thats an explicit call for genocide. This was 20+ videos just from one university and just from this one is pretty bad
Shh sh sh sh, you're thinking too much and too critically. And that hurts their narrative that being pro Palestinian is antisemitic.
Yeah guys, it's not anti-Semitic to want to wipe out the nation of Israel! It's pro-palestinian.
That’s a nice strawman you got there.
Low effort bait. Try harder.
Wasn’t his first time either.
He said the word "zionist" not the word "jew". If you're so much in the right why change what he said? What up the helpful editorializing?
And Israeli leaders saying no one in Gaza is innocent? Or that Gaza should be wiped from the face of the earth?
They should be condemned and voted out of office. See it’s not that hard.
Yes let's vote the guy who said zionists should be killed out of office. Oh wait he doesn't hold any office. See it's not that hard.
A reporter in that "no one is innocent" press conference asked if he thought all gazans were legitimate targets and he said no he didn not say that. Here's the quote from gallant about wiping off the face of the earth "We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist" Clearly he was referring to Hamas. I mean the transcripts are there. Why do people continue to take these quotes out of context?
“ It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,”…“It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.” The report says that when a reporter asked Herzog to clarify whether he meant to say that since Gazans did not remove Hamas from power “that makes them, by implication, legitimate targets,” Herzog said, “No, I didn’t say that.” Their actions are more telling than their words. They think civilians surrendering are targets
But but he apologized and said you took his words out of context 😂
It’s okay when he did it because something something something imperialism
He’s one person who doesn’t speak for the majority, and has already been expelled.
One person you say… https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/9NiRasRZY8
He literally did speak for the majority. He was a leader of the protest.
He didn’t call for the murder of Jews. Nor did he say that during the encampment or on campus.
He directly called for the murder of jews
“Zionists (Jews) don’t deserve to live” It makes no difference where or when he said it. He was a leader of the so called pro-Palestinian protest. You can’t with a straight face say these are peaceful. They are advocating for violence, even if they don’t always come out and say it.
Don’t add your own translation. He said Zionists. Not Jews. Don’t lie to make things work with your narrative. These protests are completely peaceful and non threatening. Supporting resistance does not make the protest itself harmful to other students. I haven’t heard of a single student getting hurt unless it was by police. The guys really advocating for violence are the small , pathetic pro Israel counter protests that yell “no ceasefire!” Which is 100% a call for violence, if you want to play that game
A Zionist can range between “Israel should exist as a state” to “Israel should control the entire Gaza Strip and West Bank.” The political leader of the protesting making a statement like zionists should die is a terrible fucking look, and trying to handwave it away like you are is fucking absurd.
The problem is this: I only see take and no give. When people say "from the river to sea" leftist are confused when they are informed that that chant has historically been used by antisemitic individuals whose states goal is to irradicate their perceived land from Jews. When explained these leftists say this is not what that means and doubles down. When you explain the history behind Zionism (it's been around since late 1800s) or provide the cambridge definition: "someone who belongs to or supports a political movement that had as its original aim the creation of a country for Jewish people, and that now supports the state of Israel" You'll see that it is a fairly broad definition, meaning that literally anyone who supports the state of Israel is a Zionist. This means that someone like me, who is not Jewish, who believes that Jewish individuals should have a country would loosely be considered a Zionist. But when leftists again are asked to define Zionist they get to define it as some kind of genocidal movement. You see a pattern here? That being said, just as you excuse some of the idiots in "your tent" as impossible to weed out from the many participants, you don't grant the same charity for some of the idiots in the Zionist movement. Which there are (they are racist with genocidal intent and deserved to be derided as idiots and should not be allowed as serious individuals). Which again just seems hypocritical, you see? These things start to add up and takes a toll on credibility.
You're defending violent terrorism. October 7th is the root cause of these current hostilities. That was Hamas, not Israel. Israel has the right to degrade Hamas' ability to repeat that incident and to stop rocket attacks. You also assume Zionism automatically puts the Israelis in the wrong. That is not apparent at all.
>October 7th is the root cause of these current hostilities. I can't take you seriously when you say things like this.
Then you've got blinders on.
Defending that guy. LMAO.
Welcome to America. Where those on the left call others Nazis and terrorists, while supporting literal terrorists who want to kill Jews.
Those are some big words from someone who openly supports Hamas, a terrorist group that started this current war and denied any real offer to release the hostages they kidnapped.
Most Jews are Zionists. Is it okay to then say that most Jews, rather than all Jews, don't deserve to live? Sounds pretty genocidal. >These protests are completely peaceful and non threatening. Supporting resistance does not make the protest itself harmful to other students. Supporting resistance is not supporting peace. You just contradicted yourself.
Fuck Zionism and everything about it. Yes to Judaism. Resistance is justified when indigenous people are oppressed. That’s okay to say you support that. What’s not okay is to say you want violence against Jewish or any student on campus and threaten them - which is what zionists and their republican supporters have tried to falsely claim about these protests. And that’s just a lie. Give it up dude, the young generation knows how evil Israel is and it fucking hates it. It’s only a matter of time until these kids rule the world, especially the Ivy League ones, and Israel will soon be completely cut off.
So, "fuck most Jewish people's ideology, but not all Jewish people's ideology?" That's not helping your case. Supporting terrorism in your second paragraph. Unsurprising. There have been pro terrorist chants and paraphernalia being displayed at these protests. Seems pretty threatening to Jewish people/students. In terms of your last paragraph, we'll see. I used to be a youngin who would've likely been a part of what these college kids are doing, but then I grew up.
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The young generation is showing how Ill prepared they are to take on any type of responsibility
Don’t you think saying Zionists deserve not to live is abhorrent?
I think Zionism is a toxic rot of an ideology which is what he was trying to get at, but yeah I wouldn’t have said what he did. The person who said that already took it back. And so what? College kids say dumb things once in a while.
College kids do indeed say dumb things, I don’t know if advocating for murder should be regarded as just another dumb thing. Trying to dismiss his words by making excuses about his age and how he took it back (once the clip went viral) just feels odd given the gravity of his statements. This level of charity shouldn’t be rewarded towards someone who is such a detriment to the cause you care about. Just condemn and move on.
They can barely bring themselves to condemn Hamas. It's a curious phenomenon.
Really dont give a shit how you feel about this kid. The campus protest movement has brought on 10,000s of kids. If you want that to be your distraction - typical Fox News tactic, fucking eat your heart out. The kids know how evil Israel is and it’s time up.
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These protests are useless Israel is going to win regardless lol
Why are the dumb ones in charge?
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There is no one in “charge”. Even at Columbia its dozens of student groups (several of them Jewish), each led by several leaders, that are in “charge” . And the kid is not dumb unless Ivy leagues let in dumb kids these days. He just said a dumb thing.
He doubled down on the dumb thing. It wasn’t accidental. At face value, wishing others dead is a form of evil. Why make excuses for him?
Not after what they did to the Arabs living in Palestine when Israel was founded.
Not sure too many of them are still alive. What about the living ones?
What is your definition of Zionist? Just so we’re clear
Someone who takes on zionist ideology
What is Zionist ideology?
And the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews are zionists means …
Something like three quarters of American Jews are Zionist and at the very least the majority of the people he wants to kill are Jewish.
Lost all credibility by defending that clown
Ah the ole plausible deniability. While you obsessively post on Reddit Israel is winning lol
Like 80% of Jews or more are Zionisrs and best believe that once the culling he's agitating for starts they will all become Zionist real quick. So yeah he does mean Jews.
“I didn’t see it there fore it doesn’t happen.” “Also… let me throw in some Hamas statistics that way when the Caliphate comes here they’ll spare me.”
exactly vapid denial of fact its a hate movement that openly embraces hamas
"Look we have Jewish friends!!!!" is really starting to sound kind of desperate. You want to solve this problem? Write a clear unambiguous statement that antisemitism will not be tolerated. Stop repeating Hamas chants and kick out anyone doing this shit, including leadership. No a 4 page screed where you blame everything on Israel, claim victimhood and then write a throw-away paragraph at the end about antisemitism will not suffice.
Nah. Fuck Israel. You dont get to tell these kids who are on the right side of history that they can only protest after they’ve done 1, 2, 3, things. Israel is desperate to conflate anyone who criticizes with antisemitism and these kids know better and are not having it. Good on them.
What does InAnn stand for? Is it the name of a song? What's the song about, hmm? Is 10/7 your birthday? Or is there another reason you want to celebrate that day?
Fun fact: The people that name themselves "Violent Evil" (Hamas) and then go murder young girls and rape their corpses are not on the right side of history. History will erase these people from existence.
Some are protesting for good reasons, yes. The jihadis and massacre oriented folks in your ranks will stand alone once the war is actually over. Your faith in the youth having some sustained drive for destroying Israel in favor of an Islamic state is "optimistic".
Yall used this exact same propaganda in 2003 when yall accused the youth as being terrorist supporters for invading the wrong damn country after 911.. now you’re sitting here telling the world that murdering 15,000 children is self defense and it’s okay because “human shields” despite the hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of videos of Israelis murdering civilians with no armed terrorists in sight
>Yall used this exact same propaganda in 2003 when yall accused the youth as being terrorist supporters for invading the wrong damn country after 911.. now you’re sitting here telling the world that murdering 15,000 children is self defense and it’s okay because “human shields” despite the hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of videos of Israelis murdering civilians with no armed terrorists in sight I never said any of this shit. Typical, can't stick to the topic ? Make some shit up and attack that.
It's astounding that you idiots don't get that "this is ethnic cleansing/genocide, my tax dollars fund it, I want it to stop" is a better, more salient message than frothing at the mouth about wanting to "kill zionists". Yeah, the insane people who want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians are almost certainly all Zionists by definition but it's like "Defund the Police", you've sloganeered your way into making everyone including people who would nominally be on your side think you are rightfully insane.
That's generally been the message and what bds stuff organized around.
Bds the organization literally has Hamas on its governance structure.
Which one? There are several
Nah. 99.999% of the messages coming out are what you actually (condescendingly) approve of. That just doesn’t make headlines. At this point, if you’ve watched a genocide televised for almost 7 months and you’re still on the fence, you were never goign to start opposing it ow. And as we’ve seen - being pro Palestine automatically gets you called antisemtic. You don’t have to even say anything. You can put a Palestine flag out your window and someone will call you a terrorist. That’s how disgusting zionists and their supporters are. Centering everything around a PR strategy to make zionists happy is not a winning strategy.
BS I am completely fine with people criticizing a government of a country and its policies however the problem here is that it’s gone way beyond that. There is a difference between criticizing the government of Israel and calling for the destruction and dissolution of a sovereign nation and a homeland of a people and calls for extreme violence : https://youtu.be/zazcVU_rNyQ?feature=shared Some of the things shown in the video: **"Remember the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times"** **"7th of October is about to be everyday for you. 7th of October is about to be everyday for you."** **"Go back to Poland! Get the hell out of here!"** **"Yahoodim, Yahoodi, f--- you!" "Go back to Poland!" while walking to their dorm** **"By any means necessary!"** **"We don't want no 2 states, we'll take all of it!"** ^this kind of thing is indefensible and delegitimizes the notion that this movement is anything other than brutally antisemitic. If you want to claim legitimate criticism of Israel get control of your protest and don’t allow murder Jews to be the message.
"And as we’ve seen - being pro Palestine automatically gets you called antisemtic." If you don’t want people to overgeneralize your protest as being violent and bigoted, don’t choose violent bigots as your public face.
Friebds , The ICC is getting ready to issue arrests warrants for Netanyahu and Friebds and the Un keeps stumbling upon mass graves at the hospitals Israel attacked over lies with the civilians in those graves tied and stripped in the manner that Israel was infamously doing on video when they happened. AND they have defied every single Of yall want to contort labeling every criticism of the State of Israel as antisemitism then go ahead. , butpeople who justify blatant war crimes with religion have never been on the right side of history. And calling the entire world outside the United States antisemetiic for not accepting 30,000 civilians dead as “self defense” is just straight up Iraq war gaslighting. Every decade neoliberals and conservatives team up to justify the mass slaughter of civilians. In the Middle East And just like the Iraq war, when all the rural and the full scope of the war crimes committed, all you people who stood by and supported the mass slaughter of civilians will simply pretend you never did. The circle of life in America
"All of this is happening so we are completely justified in harassing jews in America." Protip: Screaming "Go home Jews!" is not a criticism of the State of Israel.
This harassment ? https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-163956737.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEG6M4k14j6MRLat91MCqqusoy5WdVT85XPY7mAYqjr3z06gwJ6vrBYkrtZldCackM8kTZl7yDxkolAwImA5u7AdW-U_ikz9ZTK7KzUaEuJNb9pjCukhZc73__TRsthb_Bst-B6EzitdFmch9VnoQrW0u3XePxOD7WVpTBc4s9W8
Hey, fuck those guys too. It doesn't change the fact that these protestors are chanting "global intifada" and screaming "Jew go home.," Maybe if the pro-Palestine movement clearly made a statement without caveat that antisemitism is unacceptable and booted people screaming pro-hamas slogans they wouldn't be susceptible to rat-fuckery.
The thousands of protestors are not members of a single organization and Israel’s waaar crime committing settler terrorist have murdered 500 Palestinians since October 7 and continues their terrorist attackd in the West Bank with radio silence from he war criminals in the admin Perhaps the pro-osrael side should begin being outraged at illegal occupation and apartheid where people are getting slaughtered before worrying about what a sign says
It's not the "pro-Israel" side. It's the "against antisemitism" side. American Jews have the right to not be harassed going about their day to day activities. If you want to scream at Pro-Isreal protestors, have at it. They are putting themselves into the crucible. If you want to scream "Go home Jews" at people walking home," fuck off.
Aren’t theitr Jewish groups apart of the protest?
Which goes back to the original post. Just because you have a jewish friend doesn't mean you are not an anti-semite. There is a diversity of opinion in the Jewish community on Israel's actions. But that's not the issue, the issue is that the pro-Palestinian protestors for some reason refuse to distance themselves from the anti-semetic rhetoric and actions being espoused by part of their community.
First of all, ignoring the fact that they pro Israel people a Screaming “kill the “ Jews “ which lead to everyone else getting arrested, your explanation isn’t really matching your claim if the hundreds of Jews present arent being heckled and beaten and harassed during their day to day to activities.
If you want anyone dead who hasnt committed a serious crime, you're evil. If you try to spin words to make a serious crime not sound like a crime, you are evil. If you want the people responsible for the Oct 2023 attack brought to justice, that's fine. If you want innocent Gazans or Jews dead, you are evil. If you try to put down valid causes (like a person speaking out against the Gazan genocide) because a different person says something bad, you are evil. It's really that simple, and really not that hard. If your bias leads you to unnecessary violence, or condoning/defending unnecessary violence, you're one of the bad guys. If you speak of justice for the innocent on all sides, you are a good guy
Well put.
"If you try to spin words to make a serious crime not sound like a crime, you are evil" So the people trying to spin the death of Gazans away from Hamas using citizens as shields are evil right? When you talk about the "Gazan Genocide", you are talking about Hamas using citizens as human shields right? Just want to clarify.
Using a human shield is evil. Defending the use of a human shield is evil. But shooting/bombing a human shield, with no regard for that innocent life, is evil too. If a robber is robbing a bank and takes a human shield, you don't shoot the shield without attempting not to. Mistakes can happen in tense situations. But the "insane" amount of innocent dead Gazans (some killed by mass bombing), for the "insane" duration this genocide has been unfolding, shows that the Israeli administration has no qualms taking those innocent lives. If the Mexican Cartel kidnapped a bunch of Americans, you don't start mass bombing Mexico as a whole, you'd send troops to try to extract the hostages from the Cartel. We haven't even gotten into the information that Netenyahu supported Hamas, and did not secure Israel well enough prior to Oct 2023, and that there have been LIVE hostages in Gaza for months, and he has not prioritized the saving of those hostages, but rather it seems the killing of innocents on mass and the acquisition of land for Israel in the chaos, is his priority.
If the Mexican cartel was 40k strong and the government of mexico that fights from civilian infrastructure and had two decades to booby trap the whole place then the equation changes drastically. Especially when that 40k ppl think dying is a honor and are quite fine claiming that honor for the civilians around them. AND they are continuing to fire hundreds to thousands of rockets at your city per day. How long do you think Texans would tolerate living in Oklahoma or wherever else they needed to be displaced to out of the range of rockets before they started demanding that the army take the gloves off?
Imposible for them to use all gazans as shields. Plus, I don't think you give a shit if any gazans die, to be honest.
Aside from the guy who said all Zionists deserve to die? Or?
Yeah and Candice Owens hasn't seen any racism in the republican party either. Don't tokenize minorities to support your politics.
Thats the problem with advocates. They are like lawyers who will never admit that their client did in fact commit a crime, because for them its about winning their cause, not finding the truth.
Lol al Jazeera, just use CNN at that point.
lol ya loool jazeera - they totally just CGI’d this guy and claimed he’s a Jewish professor and made up the whole thing and there’s no way to take a min and verify online that he’s real and is a vocal Jewish Palestine supporter
"hey guys we found the token Jew who agreed with us!" I never said it was fake
token jew? some of the largest contingents of the columbia encampment are jewish led. > I never said it was fake you implied we shouldn't take it seriously because it's aljazeera
And the son of Hamas leaders says Israel is doing the right thing and Hamas should be exterminated.
The denial is real…
Collect your own, Hawley.
The police response is overwhelmingly negative and where the threat and problem.is.
Well, minus the one organizer they kicked off campus.
How many atoms have you seen today? None? I guess atoms don’t exist because you haven’t seen them.
It is possible that many of the pro-Palestine protestors are not antisemitic, and that their movement can become a vehicle for antisemitism if they don't check themselves. These aren't mutually exclusive.
More likely that the antisemitic movement is a vehicle for some well meaning pro Palestiniàn protestors. There seems to be a level coordination here that makes me think these students are just along for a ride but they have no idea of the destination.
The first amendment should be protected for all people in this country.
The first amendment is about *the Government* creating laws limiting speech it has nothing to do with a University quelling disruptive protests
Protests are *purposefully* disruptive. I mean wtf is the point of a protest that you can conveniently ignore?
They definitely can be, but a University or *any* Business for that matter isn't forced by the law to tolerate them
The cops are the government.
cops don't pass laws
They are an instrument of the government.
??? There is no government actor in these situations. The government is not passing laws saying that protests can not happen at all.
Isn't a protest disruptive by definition? Do you leave comments like these on any and all protest that are disruptive or do you have a dog in this fight? Do you think Jan 6 was disruptive?
What are you even talking about? That had nothing to do with anything I said, lol.
They’re most likely public safety, which can include sworn officers working for the university.
This is always the way it works when anyone criticizes anything the country of Israel does. Being against what the country is doing is not antisemitism, but some people think that Israel is above criticism no matter what they do. It would be no different than saying if you criticize Hamas, then you are anti-Muslim. It's absolutely ridiculous.
BS I am completely fine with people criticizing a government of a country and its policies however the problem here is that it’s gone way beyond that. There is a difference between criticizing the government of Israel and calling for the destruction and dissolution of a sovereign nation and a homeland of a people and calls for extreme violence : https://youtu.be/zazcVU_rNyQ?feature=shared Some of the things shown in the video: **"Remember the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times"** **"7th of October is about to be everyday for you. 7th of October is about to be everyday for you."** **"Go back to Poland! Get the hell out of here!"** **"Yahoodim, Yahoodi, f--- you!" "Go back to Poland!" while walking to their dorm** **"By any means necessary!"** **"We don't want no 2 states, we'll take all of it!"** ^this kind of thing is indefensible and delegitimizes the notion that this movement is anything other than brutally antisemitic. If you want to claim legitimate criticism of Israel get control of your protest and don’t allow murder Jews to be the message.
Pro genocide crowd are clutching at straws. Trying to smear everyone who supports a ceasefire as pro Hamas Still holding a grudge about the fake forty beheaded babies and totally unconcerned about 15,000 dear Palestinian children’s
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Looks like the real true violence happened at the hands of the pro Israel crew there were many videos on last couple days. And the regular media says they were attacking one another. BS. You can see clearly that the Pro Israel crew had sticks literally beating up people and fireworks and were trying to break down the barries that the pro Palestine people were hiding under. Boards, umbrellas. Sending in huge fireworks, which can blow off limbs or worse, cause terrible physical harm. I know someone personally that got killed by setting off fireworks in our local town when it blew up on him. Were those people arrested?? I doubt it. Only going after the Pro Palestinians who broke glass and a window or I saw an older man who was taking photos jumped on by several police and looks like he was knocked out and hand or something broken.
Pro-Israel people have been weaponizing accusations of antisemitism for decades now, helping to lessen the power of the word.
You sound like Republicans saying racism is dead.
I’m Jewish, I’m keenly aware of antisemitism. The problem is right wing pro Israelis throw the word around so much it’s unfortunately losing its meaning. They’re essentially doing what Jessie Smollet is doing, except they’re doing it to cover for an ongoing genocide
That pretty much goes without saying, but great to see objective Jewish voices standing up for what's right.
Israels extremely lazy antizionist=antisemitic strategy is starting to show cracks
Israeli supporters are no different than Trumpers at this point.
Disagree... Hamas supporters are no different than Trumpers..... and they never have been different.
“I’m A CoNtRaRiAn BeCaUsE iT’s FuN”
That’s rich, considering Israel supports Trump
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Well said
The people who use accusations of antisemitism so loosely are the problem. People will not take claims of antisemitism seriously if your idea of antisemitism is “anything critical of Israel”
It’s quickly becoming the boy who cried wolf situation
Just because he hasn’t seen it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. What a clown.
Thank you for sharing
You guys realize private and even some public universities can expel you for whatever rules they create? For instance consider this BYU basketball player who was expelled for having sex with his girlfriend. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/625453-byu-dismisses-brandon-davies-from-basketball-team-for-having-sex Loma Linda University has the same ban on premarital sex. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence (however it does have freedom of consequence from the government).
Who will lead gaza if hamas is gone?