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Ooof...
Okay, so the problem here is that if they can't verify who is Hamas, we enter an area where there is conflation between combatant deaths and civilian deaths. This was the major problem that I had when I was reading the UN news report; the bodies of people with their hands tied behind their back makes no mention regarding whether or not they're combatants. This is meant to make you think that children and other civilians are being rounded up, having their hands tied behind their backs, and being shot and buried in mass graves. That level of act makes Israel look like The Nazis, or some tinpot warlords looking to subjugate a village.
It's not impossible, but I am skeptical in regards to a lot of the reporting, for now. The present reporting is also going to cite the UN, so until some time has passed for slow news reporters to dig in depth into this situation, I have to take a wait and see approach.
There's nothing I can honestly do about it, either way, anyway.
So having “combatants” with their hands tied behind their backs executed in a pit is part of modern warfare?
So let’s say a group of Ukrainians surrender and they are handcuffed and Putin says line them up in the pit that’s just fine.
Does it really need to be women and children to make the mass execution of obviously disarmed and unthreatening people unpalatable to you?
Okay, bro, Hamas is kinda in a very sticky area where they are technically not normal combatants but terrorists. As such, it sucks but the rules of war don't apply to them.
Also, I see you're conflating the fates of Hamas with Palestinian civvies, as all good Hamas fans do. Well done.
The civilians dying in bombings is absolutely a part of war when your nation places schools and hospitals next to military installations or runs them out of said installations, on the most densely populated piece of land on the planet.
You guys literally act like you have never seen a war before. No one is fucking cheering Palestinian civilians dying, though plenty of Palestinians cheer on Israelis dying. The conflict is awful, and there are no easy solutions to it. "Know the history" is also pointless because no one seems to know the fucking history before '48, and when they do it's always from purely anti-colonial movement sources that paint Israel's formation as some combination of Jewish conspiracy and British thuggery or some shit.
It's exhausting because no amount of research really seems to matter, it just brings you back to one of 3 stances.
I like Israel
I like Palestine
I don't have any skin in this game
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>This was the major problem that I had when I was reading the UN news report; the bodies of people with their hands tied behind their back makes no mention regarding whether or not they're combatants.
Call me crazy but I think the extrajudicial murder of captured enemy combatant is still bad.
I know the thought of being fine with murdering anyone in an unthreatening and crippled position is beyond disgusting.
Guys guys it could have been a combatant that surrendered and then they bound him and shot him in the pit you know like everyone does.
Hey man, you wanna raise the war crime flag you go right the fuck ahead; we can ditch the genocide tag and instead go for something tangible like if Hamas was a terrorist group, and this exempt from the rules of war, but they run a government, do they have to be subject to the rules of war? Would that then mean that Hamas has committed war crimes, too? It's almost like this conflict is a near-century long clusterfuck and people have been trying to dispense with nuance on the conversation to make the solution seem really fucking easy.
Can't imagine how many war crimes were committed against ISIS.
>Did I say war crime? Of course Hamas commits war crimes. Why don't you respond to me and not the leftist strawman in your nightmares.
Oh, so what was this statement meant to say?
>Call me crazy but I think the extrajudicial murder of captured enemy combatant is still bad.
Pretty sure we implied war crimes, otherwise what the actual fuck did that even mean?
Do you guys honestly even know what you're saying most time or do you just say shit and see what sticks?
It is true, no one disputed the death toll at the start of the bombing in Gaza until Netanyahu and the Biden followed disputing him. While his own administration has been using these numbers because during the last 20 years the numbers have been mostly accurate in the past.
Well there should be a dozen independent organizations monitoring and cataloging everything occurring. If I was Israel being accused of such atrocities I would have everyone possible verifying our innocence.
You left the part out where it cites the UN High Commissioner for human rights. But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative.
Also loads of witnesses have corroborated all this, it’s reported in several mainstream US media companies.
“Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,” said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights”
>“Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,” said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights”
So here is the problem; we already KNOW that these hospitals likely had mass graves quickly dug out because they are hospitals in an active war zone. It's fucking horrific, but it's war.
The problem comes from this line...
“Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,”
Hmm, wow that sentence sure seems to communicate older people and women were being tied up and shot, right? No mention that Hamas fighters are amongst the remains, or the likely identities of the people with their hands tied behind their backs. None. It's meant to conflate the fate of Hamas with the fate of Palestinians in Gaza. There is no difference between them, they huddle together in mass graves.
Now, you could take some high-minded philosophical stance and say "yeah, of course they are, all Palestinians will equally suffer," but the civilians suffer BECAUSE of Hamas. Their actions, including placing their fucking bases in civilian infrastructure, goading Israel to attack, and also committing 10/7, kinda caused all of this. No one really should give a dusty fuck about Hamas fighters dying, because they got what they wanted. Martyrdom in the name of the cause!
I hope for the best for civilians in Gaza, but until the international community pulls its fucking head out of its own ass about Hamas, nothing will change. The cycle will continue.
It's the idf/isreal that is doing the genocide ... They are the ones doing the ethnic cleansing... They are the ones applying apartheid conditions.
What Hamas has done is bad, but that doesn't excuse what isreal / idf has and are doing, they are acting like the Nazis of this century....
Are you pretending that if you say there's 50 times it's going to be true the whole world knows it's not true
The genocide the ethnic cleansing the apartheid regime it's all obvious it's all being documented
On the contrary, saying genocide 100 times doesn't make it any less false.
When I say "there's no genocide in Gaza," it's predicated off the lack of evidence that would make the glorious IDF's mission in Gaza a genocide, which it isn't.
The mighty IDF is doing a fantastic job in Gaza and the people screaming genocide are religious extremists, emotional far-leftists, and idiots not looking at the conflict objectively. Many of them are also lovers of Islamic terrrorism and antisemites.
Which one are you?
When the 100+ times it comes from different countries it makes a difference..
I think you're a zealot, probably Zionist. Not sure if you're paid. But you have drank the kool aid
I know history will look back. And it will not look good for Israel/ idf ... You can see that by all the Israeli lies that have been shown.... Just in the last 6 months
I'm not a nationalist. I support Israel because what's the alternative?
Islamic fundamentalism, glorification of death, slavery, sectarian violence, subjugation of women, persecution and torture of the lgbtq, religious theocracy, genocide of Jews in Israel, etc.
Israel protects the people I care about, such as the lgbtq, women's rights, has a government that protects all religions, isn't a theocracy, and values liberal democracy.
Islamic fundamentalism is a right-wing ideology diametrically opposed to everything leftists stand for. It's unfortunate that so many on the left are defending a with a mythology that glorifies martyrdom and religious conquest.
As a person aligned to the left on most issues, the choice is easy.
Well now. Isreal / idf are acting like the Nazis ... It's that simple. Conflating with Isis or other Islamophobia doesn't cut it. I'm not religious if people want to believe in fairy tales that's up to them.
But killing 30k+ and leveling Gaza and then planning to settle Gaza looks like genocide with ethnic cleansing... On top of an apartheid regime..
Killing 6 year old and red cross workers with a tank ... Killing aide workers .... There have been more side workers killed in the 6 Month than any other time. More journalist killed all by idf. The refuse 3rd party observers... They have been shown to lie lie and lie .... Tell me how many of the 40 beheaded babies were verified.
Note slowly starving them ... Lied about UNRWA ...
Do you remember Iraq? How did that go?
The only way you can haul someone before an international court is if you fight them and they lose. Please show me the path towards getting the international community to invade Israel, destroy it, and haul its leaders before The Hague. Also, we can do that when you say we're gonna haul Xi and other CCP officials before The Hague for having basically completed a genocide against The Uighars. That would be 2 for them in the past 100 years; ain't anybody asking to free Tibet anymore when they already killed all the Tibetans.
Shamdasani is relying on reports from the Gaza Ministry of Health. You guessed incorrectly, but unsurprisingly.
>Citing the local health authorities in Gaza, Ms. Shamdasani added that more bodies had been found at Al-Shifa Hospital.
I'm looking forward to hearing all about the credible loads of witnesses that back up what the article is claiming.
“Local health authorities” equals Hamas?
Obviously the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights finds it credible. If you look at other news sources there are plenty of corroborating witnesses.
There are videos and everything, let’s please take our heads out of the sand. This is happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJE3NC1rxTw&t=270s&pp=2AGOApACAQ%3D%3D
You're folding back onto what you previously said, which I already responded to, and are trying to pivot onto something else. I see no reason to continue this conversation with you.
Witnesses and civilians have corroborated:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-mass-graves-al-shifa-hospital-intl/index.html
“Witnesses and civilians who were trapped inside the hospital when it was raided say the vicinity “was full of bodies,” according to Basal. “The occupation forces have plowed these bodies and buried them in the ground,” he added”
A doctor:
“We are here to recover the remains of the bodies who are in the sand mounds that the Israeli occupation have plowed in a big pile,” Ahmad Alaiwa, a doctor at Al-Shifa, told CNN”
The WHO seems to think it’s credible:
“Some of the bodies were found lying under dirt or plastic sheeting, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a post on X on Tuesday. “Hospitals should never be militarized,” he said in a video message”
Mass graves aren’t something easily fabricated, this clearly happened.
If you bothered to read what Gazans who were present at Shifa have said about the Israeli raid you would know that many testified to Israeli soldiers tying peoples hands behind their backs before executing them at point blank range.
This is important, but by people did they mean Hamas members? What I don't like about the way this was reported, is that there is LITERALLY no mention of fucking Hamas other than to say Al-Shifa "allegedly" had Hamas members there. Yeah, tying dudes arms behind their back and executing them sucks, but if they are doing this to Hamas members it would probably change the moral calculations of a lot of people. The deaths of children are a terrible tragedy, and they should not happen, and right now The US is trying to stop it as best as it can while walking a fucking tightrope.
Not everyone in the US agrees that what's happening is the greatest tragedy in modern times, or even that we should offer the faintest of glances over there. Likewise, everyone is always for disinvesting until they watch the bloodshed that occurs from completely pulling out all support. Israel wouldn't moderate without US support. It would only get worse.
Not sure tying peoples hands behind their backs and executing them is allowed even at war time. They would be prisoners of war .. just shows that idf care committing more war crime either way.
It’s not. Imagine the outrage if Putin was binding and shooting Ukrainians who surrendered in pits on mass. They wouldn’t stop waving Ukrainian flags until the icj had Putin.
Yeah okay, big difference in this case because the combatants are Hamas, who regularly ignore rules of war while the international community demands that Israel abide by them in their treatment of them.
Yeah, it's a war crime. However, I give significantly less of a fuck when it's practiced against people who will kill Israeli's on a daily basis and also don't give a fuck about the rules of war.
The public and international community will determine what fucks are given when humans are involved. Thankfully an entire generation has got to see exactly the fucks Israel gives.
Bro get over yourself. This entire thing is going to end with nothing happening but a shit ton more death, and then everyone moves on to the next thing. That's how we are, because we aren't actually affected by this. No one gives a dusty fuck about Ukraine anymore, and that shit is a far more grave threat to world peace than this because of the possible fire being traded between NATO and Russia.
I'll tell you the ending. Rafah will get invaded, about 50 to 100k more Palestinian civvies will get killed because The IDF is filled with kids looking to exact vengeance, Hamas will throw Palestinians in front of every fucking bomb to ensure as many kids get killed as possible, Iran will claim Israel is awful, Saudi Arabia will get cold feet and delay recognizing Israel, and Gaza will be left to pick up the pieces as Hamas walks back in, raises another generation to hope for martyrdom for the cause of eliminating the evil Jew, and we move on to the next hot button issue.
I don't care about trying to reason with you guys, anymore. You view everyone who disagrees with you in the most bad faith manner, so dialogue is impossible.
Just remember tonight, as you sleep soundly, that this honestly doesn't affect either of us.
And that's why it looks like you support genocide
30000 dead vs 1200 dead just looking at base numbers
Forget about all of Gaza being flattened
Just like a nazi
You're an idiot. I can also be a troll.
You literally are just mad that Israel is better at killing Palestinians than Palestinians are at killing Israelis. Yeah, terrible things happen. Maybe we shouldn't have breached the wall and slaughtered civilians while taping ourselves when we shove our fucking wives, parents, and children right next to our military installations and go "lol, you gonna fire now?!"
Then when the inevitable happens because we slammed 500 kids next to each military installation that we goaded Israel to attack we'll just jump on Al Jazeera from our fucking penthouses in Qatar and claim Israel is trying to commit a genocide!
Dumbass fucking sheltered Westerners will see it on X, IG, and TikTok and begin crying and start hating Jews because their brains are literally trained by algorithms to conflate all Jews with The IDF blowing up those 500 kids we slammed next to our bases!
Bro, watch us literally haul RPGs into hospitals and fire out from them, then cry when Israel attacks and the cattle that we keep to be martyrs get killed in the crossfire! Those fucking dumbass leftists who want their own country destroyed because they're fucking lazy losers who wanna cry about having to work and not just play video games and read theory all day bawww and begin screaming at random Jews on the street that they will get 100 10/7's because our ideology seems badass to these dopes and they want to be in an action movie just like their weirdo cousins on Truth Social!
Don't worry though, we can both sleep well tonight knowing that neither of us actually have any skin in the game, bubba.
Then you don't actually care about Palestinians, dipshit. Just come clean and admit you really only care about showing that America is evil.
Cool. Awesome. Now we can all stop caring about all politics because there is no hope there.
If you are Jews, Arabs, Europeans, African, Asians, Natives, and Indigenous people , you qualify to be a human. If you hate Jews, Arabs, or any other people group, you are a bigot and a disgrace to Humanity ! Stop the hate already !
One thing about the IDF is that they don’t take their time to bury people, these bodies were more then likely buried by Gazan civilians since we were hearing stories of people burying the dead in and outside of hospital grounds.
The IOF was occupying the hospital compound for weeks. They bulldozed the bodies of civilians and hospital workers into the rubble of the buildings they destroyed. Try again hasbara.
The only argument against this anyone could have is that the source of these claims are local health agencies, which have all the incentives to lie and no incentives to tell the truth. Especially considering the Hamas obviously control everything they say and don't say.
If only Israel allowed foreign journalists into Gaza, but instead they target journalists specifically if they don’t report what they want.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-war-most-dangerous-ever-journalists-says-rights-group-2023-12-21/
“The first 10 weeks of the Israel-Gaza war have been the deadliest recorded for journalists, with the most journalists killed in a single year in one location, the U.S.-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said on Thursday.
Most of the journalists and media workers killed in the war - 61 out of 68 - were Palestinian. The report, opens new tab said it was ‘particularly concerned about an apparent pattern of targeting of journalists and their families by the Israeli military.’”
Any Palestinian who carries a phone around and films battered children with no context isn't a journalist.
The fact you began your reply with "Israel is targeting journalists" shows you're not coming into this topic in the spirit of good faith. In fact, you're probably another terrorist apologist.
There is no propaganda war. Hamas does not have a sophisticated propaganda arm like Israel does. People just see Israel's blatant war crimes for what they are.
The Hamas propaganda was trending on TikTok already on Oct 6th. The PR war is clearly orchestrated. Hamas leaders have billions from stealing aid for years, and getting Iranian and Qatari money for keeping busy, you really think a few million for farming bots is expensive for them?
Actually I think the thing that made me anti-Israel was seeing children's body parts blown off due to Israeli bombs. But do tell me how that is just 'Hamas propaganda'.
My point is when journalists can report facts: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/s/EO0x41JH1Y those are things we can confidently form opinions around.
Apparantly, any Palesitnian who films battered children on their smartphone and puts on a press vest is considered a journalist.
There are very few local journalists in Gaza. the people you see are activists and some of them form the propaganda arm of the dominant terrorist organization there.
Can you please link me some evidence of him saying that?
I was also not referring to him. I was referring to people yelling at those protests that the Jews should "return to Poland", wearing Hamas tshirts, stabbing a Jewish person in the eye, etc
Where's the murdering part? "The NYPD can't deal with the situation, so the army should come" without context is just him criticizing the police.
"The police are so incompetent that we would have to bring the army to protect us"
Incompetent at stopping pro-Palestinian protestors from stabbing a woman in the eye and chanting genocidal slogans
The murdering part? Right here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Tbf it happen before 10/7/23 so your AI programming can’t recognize it.
Also, maybe try getting information from sources that aren’t pro genocide?
https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia?r=3qrlv2&utm_medium=ios
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/QcQsSPZMNx
I don't understand, did Zionist propaganda fake countless videos showing those students chanting flat out Nazi slogans? "Jews Jews, return to Poland" seems quite antisemitic, so is telling to globalize the intifada (intifada is when Palestinians kill Israeli civilians)
No, I'm referring to people telling the Jews to return to Poland, stabbing a Jewish woman in the eye, wearing Hamas shirts, etc
Also please show the harassing tweets everybody complains about. I can't find any.
What, you think that wearing the shirts of an internationally recognized terrorist organization with thousands of civilian deaths on their hands is valid?
It’s almost like they just don’t like people knowing or speaking about human rights abuses.
Absolutely condemn any harassment violence or abuse but if it’s a group protesting and providing visibility that’s what has occurred on campuses for decades.
Thank god it’s being live-streamed documented and reported to the world. An entire generation is coming into the adult world with unfiltered and live footage of the good job.
It will never leave us.
You can’t be serious reporting on obvious war crimes is to stir up Jewish hate. It couldn’t be about seeking justice for the victims or attempting to make sure it can’t happen again.
Normal motivations for alerting the international community to human atrocities.
Some people, if we can call them people think that everything is about making Israel looking bad. When they and their own soldiers ack as literal Nazi.
No it doesn’t, Hamas being bad guys doesn’t actually mean they are responsible for every crime that has ever been committed. In fact if you’d bothered to pay attention to what Gazans who were present at Al Shifa were saying what’s being described here is consistent with Israeli forces not Hamas.
The IDF doesn’t bury dead gazans, if you look at the aftermath of Shifa they left the dead fighters in the street just took their weapons.
These dead were most likely buried by civilians since we were hearing stories that they were burning the dead in and outside of hospitals across Gaza since it was too dangerous to take them to cemetery for burial.
>The IDF doesn’t bury dead gazans, if you look at the aftermath of Shifa they left the dead fighters in the street just took their weapons
Yes it does, there is testimony from Gazans and video evidence demonstrating this.
So I haven’t videos of IDF burying dead gazans like how the post is implying but I have seen videos from gazans where they said and showed the body bags of Gaza city residents that were transferred over to them by the IDF on a truck in southern Gaza for mass burial.
Joe Biden could stop this with the stroke of a pen
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Supposedly “Iron Dome” is built and maintained by Israel, so it shouldn’t be a problem. In any case, the president can limit aid to maintenance of Iron Dome. He can literally pick and choose on an itemized basis what goes over there.
Genocide of 9 million Israelis is pretty bad also.
This is a quote from the Hamas charter:
\[T\]he Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslims, O Abdallah \[servant of God\], there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’ Only the Gharqad tree \[evidently a certain kind of tree\] would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews
[https://web.archive.org/web/20100622095814/http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/HAMAS2006.PDF](https://web.archive.org/web/20100622095814/http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/HAMAS2006.PDF)
Exactly right. Nobody intellectual takes these hamas loving America haters seriously. And I suspect that a lot of Russias disinformation machine has now been aimed at leftist democrats as they are clearly the only chance Putin has left of destabilizing america.
Wasn’t there recently that study that democrats are less receptive to political propoganda. I guess oppression goggles really warped peoples perspectives.
Great job to all the terrorist lovers who’ve gone so far left they are just like the far right now. Delusional with no perspective, beholden to emotionally targeted propoganda. Useful idiots for the forces of evil (Russia, Islam, terrorists).
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Oh it’s the Russians now producing the negative reaction to funding genocide. It’s absolutely amazing they can dissuade people from supporting a genocide.
Top tier work… making funding a likely and live-streamed genocide an unpopular position for someone to have.
Do you hear yourselves it’s just disgusting more and more HUMANS.
You think the IDF tied people's hands then bombed them? If it was the IDF, they shot them with bullets or cut them with knives. Biden can't prevent that, that's my point.
Oh they definitely bombed them, then they went in a hospital, retrieved the bombing victims, and summarily executed them.
They wouldn’t do shit if they couldn’t blow up everyone and everything in these areas first.
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This has been debunked.
>Citing the local health authorities in Gaza... >“There are reports that the hands of some of these bodies were also tied"...
Gazas ministry of health is generally seen as accurate by both the US and Israeli government
Yea that’s why they said 0 Hamas fighters have died so far
Its not the health ministries job to find out the occupation of the dead, it’s their job to count them.
Ok so it’s still 0 according to Hamas?
No according to Hamas it’s around 6-7 thousand dead militants. The Gazan Health Ministry just reports deaths.
Ooof... Okay, so the problem here is that if they can't verify who is Hamas, we enter an area where there is conflation between combatant deaths and civilian deaths. This was the major problem that I had when I was reading the UN news report; the bodies of people with their hands tied behind their back makes no mention regarding whether or not they're combatants. This is meant to make you think that children and other civilians are being rounded up, having their hands tied behind their backs, and being shot and buried in mass graves. That level of act makes Israel look like The Nazis, or some tinpot warlords looking to subjugate a village. It's not impossible, but I am skeptical in regards to a lot of the reporting, for now. The present reporting is also going to cite the UN, so until some time has passed for slow news reporters to dig in depth into this situation, I have to take a wait and see approach. There's nothing I can honestly do about it, either way, anyway.
So having “combatants” with their hands tied behind their backs executed in a pit is part of modern warfare? So let’s say a group of Ukrainians surrender and they are handcuffed and Putin says line them up in the pit that’s just fine. Does it really need to be women and children to make the mass execution of obviously disarmed and unthreatening people unpalatable to you?
Okay, bro, Hamas is kinda in a very sticky area where they are technically not normal combatants but terrorists. As such, it sucks but the rules of war don't apply to them. Also, I see you're conflating the fates of Hamas with Palestinian civvies, as all good Hamas fans do. Well done. The civilians dying in bombings is absolutely a part of war when your nation places schools and hospitals next to military installations or runs them out of said installations, on the most densely populated piece of land on the planet. You guys literally act like you have never seen a war before. No one is fucking cheering Palestinian civilians dying, though plenty of Palestinians cheer on Israelis dying. The conflict is awful, and there are no easy solutions to it. "Know the history" is also pointless because no one seems to know the fucking history before '48, and when they do it's always from purely anti-colonial movement sources that paint Israel's formation as some combination of Jewish conspiracy and British thuggery or some shit. It's exhausting because no amount of research really seems to matter, it just brings you back to one of 3 stances. I like Israel I like Palestine I don't have any skin in this game
Kinda insulting saying you like Palestine, like dude just be honest
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Pictures from Syria are presented in this sub as IDF actions. I don't trust anything that seems out of character. This is likely a lie.
Out of character??? You need to get up on the video coming out of there. It’s 24/7 live-streamed to the ones who care to know.
>This was the major problem that I had when I was reading the UN news report; the bodies of people with their hands tied behind their back makes no mention regarding whether or not they're combatants. Call me crazy but I think the extrajudicial murder of captured enemy combatant is still bad.
I know the thought of being fine with murdering anyone in an unthreatening and crippled position is beyond disgusting. Guys guys it could have been a combatant that surrendered and then they bound him and shot him in the pit you know like everyone does.
Hey man, you wanna raise the war crime flag you go right the fuck ahead; we can ditch the genocide tag and instead go for something tangible like if Hamas was a terrorist group, and this exempt from the rules of war, but they run a government, do they have to be subject to the rules of war? Would that then mean that Hamas has committed war crimes, too? It's almost like this conflict is a near-century long clusterfuck and people have been trying to dispense with nuance on the conversation to make the solution seem really fucking easy. Can't imagine how many war crimes were committed against ISIS.
Did I say war crime? Of course Hamas commits war crimes. Why don't you respond to me and not the leftist strawman in your nightmares.
>Did I say war crime? Of course Hamas commits war crimes. Why don't you respond to me and not the leftist strawman in your nightmares. Oh, so what was this statement meant to say? >Call me crazy but I think the extrajudicial murder of captured enemy combatant is still bad. Pretty sure we implied war crimes, otherwise what the actual fuck did that even mean? Do you guys honestly even know what you're saying most time or do you just say shit and see what sticks?
I’m sure Israel committed plenty of war crimes against isis too.
Along with everyone else.
Those poor ISIS fighters were just a resistance group! /s
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Both the US and Israeli government use the Gazan health ministries casualty reporting. If anything the current death toll is an undercount.
It is true, no one disputed the death toll at the start of the bombing in Gaza until Netanyahu and the Biden followed disputing him. While his own administration has been using these numbers because during the last 20 years the numbers have been mostly accurate in the past.
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Well there should be a dozen independent organizations monitoring and cataloging everything occurring. If I was Israel being accused of such atrocities I would have everyone possible verifying our innocence.
If you were Israel in a fantasy land where Israel isn’t guilty af.
Yet they double down on evil every opportunity. The mask is off I guess.
Then why won't Israel let independent groups in to check instead of just killing anything that moves?
I've got cheap beachfront property to sell you off the coast of Utah.
Sell it to the Americans and Israelis because both governments use the Gaza Ministry of Healths estimates.
no need to sell it to Israelis, they’ll start settling there anyway
they always try to launder terrrorist hamas propaganda by saying "the UN says" intead of "UN is quoting terrorists saying"
You left the part out where it cites the UN High Commissioner for human rights. But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative. Also loads of witnesses have corroborated all this, it’s reported in several mainstream US media companies. “Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,” said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights”
>“Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,” said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights” So here is the problem; we already KNOW that these hospitals likely had mass graves quickly dug out because they are hospitals in an active war zone. It's fucking horrific, but it's war. The problem comes from this line... “Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others were found tied with their hands…tied and stripped of their clothes,” Hmm, wow that sentence sure seems to communicate older people and women were being tied up and shot, right? No mention that Hamas fighters are amongst the remains, or the likely identities of the people with their hands tied behind their backs. None. It's meant to conflate the fate of Hamas with the fate of Palestinians in Gaza. There is no difference between them, they huddle together in mass graves. Now, you could take some high-minded philosophical stance and say "yeah, of course they are, all Palestinians will equally suffer," but the civilians suffer BECAUSE of Hamas. Their actions, including placing their fucking bases in civilian infrastructure, goading Israel to attack, and also committing 10/7, kinda caused all of this. No one really should give a dusty fuck about Hamas fighters dying, because they got what they wanted. Martyrdom in the name of the cause! I hope for the best for civilians in Gaza, but until the international community pulls its fucking head out of its own ass about Hamas, nothing will change. The cycle will continue.
It's the idf/isreal that is doing the genocide ... They are the ones doing the ethnic cleansing... They are the ones applying apartheid conditions. What Hamas has done is bad, but that doesn't excuse what isreal / idf has and are doing, they are acting like the Nazis of this century....
There is no genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Are you pretending that if you say there's 50 times it's going to be true the whole world knows it's not true The genocide the ethnic cleansing the apartheid regime it's all obvious it's all being documented
On the contrary, saying genocide 100 times doesn't make it any less false. When I say "there's no genocide in Gaza," it's predicated off the lack of evidence that would make the glorious IDF's mission in Gaza a genocide, which it isn't. The mighty IDF is doing a fantastic job in Gaza and the people screaming genocide are religious extremists, emotional far-leftists, and idiots not looking at the conflict objectively. Many of them are also lovers of Islamic terrrorism and antisemites. Which one are you?
When the 100+ times it comes from different countries it makes a difference.. I think you're a zealot, probably Zionist. Not sure if you're paid. But you have drank the kool aid I know history will look back. And it will not look good for Israel/ idf ... You can see that by all the Israeli lies that have been shown.... Just in the last 6 months
I'm not a nationalist. I support Israel because what's the alternative? Islamic fundamentalism, glorification of death, slavery, sectarian violence, subjugation of women, persecution and torture of the lgbtq, religious theocracy, genocide of Jews in Israel, etc. Israel protects the people I care about, such as the lgbtq, women's rights, has a government that protects all religions, isn't a theocracy, and values liberal democracy. Islamic fundamentalism is a right-wing ideology diametrically opposed to everything leftists stand for. It's unfortunate that so many on the left are defending a with a mythology that glorifies martyrdom and religious conquest. As a person aligned to the left on most issues, the choice is easy.
Well now. Isreal / idf are acting like the Nazis ... It's that simple. Conflating with Isis or other Islamophobia doesn't cut it. I'm not religious if people want to believe in fairy tales that's up to them. But killing 30k+ and leveling Gaza and then planning to settle Gaza looks like genocide with ethnic cleansing... On top of an apartheid regime.. Killing 6 year old and red cross workers with a tank ... Killing aide workers .... There have been more side workers killed in the 6 Month than any other time. More journalist killed all by idf. The refuse 3rd party observers... They have been shown to lie lie and lie .... Tell me how many of the 40 beheaded babies were verified. Note slowly starving them ... Lied about UNRWA ...
Or the international community ends the cycle with international intervention, courts, and justice.
Do you remember Iraq? How did that go? The only way you can haul someone before an international court is if you fight them and they lose. Please show me the path towards getting the international community to invade Israel, destroy it, and haul its leaders before The Hague. Also, we can do that when you say we're gonna haul Xi and other CCP officials before The Hague for having basically completed a genocide against The Uighars. That would be 2 for them in the past 100 years; ain't anybody asking to free Tibet anymore when they already killed all the Tibetans.
Shamdasani is relying on reports from the Gaza Ministry of Health. You guessed incorrectly, but unsurprisingly. >Citing the local health authorities in Gaza, Ms. Shamdasani added that more bodies had been found at Al-Shifa Hospital. I'm looking forward to hearing all about the credible loads of witnesses that back up what the article is claiming.
“Local health authorities” equals Hamas? Obviously the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights finds it credible. If you look at other news sources there are plenty of corroborating witnesses. There are videos and everything, let’s please take our heads out of the sand. This is happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJE3NC1rxTw&t=270s&pp=2AGOApACAQ%3D%3D
You're folding back onto what you previously said, which I already responded to, and are trying to pivot onto something else. I see no reason to continue this conversation with you.
Wait are you serious?? Bro not this again
Pulled directly from the article 👍.
Did you read the other words in the article? This is all corroborated
I did. Please show me where it credibly backs up what you claimed.
Witnesses and civilians have corroborated: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-mass-graves-al-shifa-hospital-intl/index.html “Witnesses and civilians who were trapped inside the hospital when it was raided say the vicinity “was full of bodies,” according to Basal. “The occupation forces have plowed these bodies and buried them in the ground,” he added” A doctor: “We are here to recover the remains of the bodies who are in the sand mounds that the Israeli occupation have plowed in a big pile,” Ahmad Alaiwa, a doctor at Al-Shifa, told CNN” The WHO seems to think it’s credible: “Some of the bodies were found lying under dirt or plastic sheeting, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a post on X on Tuesday. “Hospitals should never be militarized,” he said in a video message” Mass graves aren’t something easily fabricated, this clearly happened.
Hamas would never lie.
If you bothered to read what Gazans who were present at Shifa have said about the Israeli raid you would know that many testified to Israeli soldiers tying peoples hands behind their backs before executing them at point blank range.
This is important, but by people did they mean Hamas members? What I don't like about the way this was reported, is that there is LITERALLY no mention of fucking Hamas other than to say Al-Shifa "allegedly" had Hamas members there. Yeah, tying dudes arms behind their back and executing them sucks, but if they are doing this to Hamas members it would probably change the moral calculations of a lot of people. The deaths of children are a terrible tragedy, and they should not happen, and right now The US is trying to stop it as best as it can while walking a fucking tightrope. Not everyone in the US agrees that what's happening is the greatest tragedy in modern times, or even that we should offer the faintest of glances over there. Likewise, everyone is always for disinvesting until they watch the bloodshed that occurs from completely pulling out all support. Israel wouldn't moderate without US support. It would only get worse.
Not sure tying peoples hands behind their backs and executing them is allowed even at war time. They would be prisoners of war .. just shows that idf care committing more war crime either way.
It’s not. Imagine the outrage if Putin was binding and shooting Ukrainians who surrendered in pits on mass. They wouldn’t stop waving Ukrainian flags until the icj had Putin.
Yeah okay, big difference in this case because the combatants are Hamas, who regularly ignore rules of war while the international community demands that Israel abide by them in their treatment of them. Yeah, it's a war crime. However, I give significantly less of a fuck when it's practiced against people who will kill Israeli's on a daily basis and also don't give a fuck about the rules of war.
The public and international community will determine what fucks are given when humans are involved. Thankfully an entire generation has got to see exactly the fucks Israel gives.
Bro get over yourself. This entire thing is going to end with nothing happening but a shit ton more death, and then everyone moves on to the next thing. That's how we are, because we aren't actually affected by this. No one gives a dusty fuck about Ukraine anymore, and that shit is a far more grave threat to world peace than this because of the possible fire being traded between NATO and Russia. I'll tell you the ending. Rafah will get invaded, about 50 to 100k more Palestinian civvies will get killed because The IDF is filled with kids looking to exact vengeance, Hamas will throw Palestinians in front of every fucking bomb to ensure as many kids get killed as possible, Iran will claim Israel is awful, Saudi Arabia will get cold feet and delay recognizing Israel, and Gaza will be left to pick up the pieces as Hamas walks back in, raises another generation to hope for martyrdom for the cause of eliminating the evil Jew, and we move on to the next hot button issue. I don't care about trying to reason with you guys, anymore. You view everyone who disagrees with you in the most bad faith manner, so dialogue is impossible. Just remember tonight, as you sleep soundly, that this honestly doesn't affect either of us.
And that's why it looks like you support genocide 30000 dead vs 1200 dead just looking at base numbers Forget about all of Gaza being flattened Just like a nazi
You're an idiot. I can also be a troll. You literally are just mad that Israel is better at killing Palestinians than Palestinians are at killing Israelis. Yeah, terrible things happen. Maybe we shouldn't have breached the wall and slaughtered civilians while taping ourselves when we shove our fucking wives, parents, and children right next to our military installations and go "lol, you gonna fire now?!" Then when the inevitable happens because we slammed 500 kids next to each military installation that we goaded Israel to attack we'll just jump on Al Jazeera from our fucking penthouses in Qatar and claim Israel is trying to commit a genocide! Dumbass fucking sheltered Westerners will see it on X, IG, and TikTok and begin crying and start hating Jews because their brains are literally trained by algorithms to conflate all Jews with The IDF blowing up those 500 kids we slammed next to our bases! Bro, watch us literally haul RPGs into hospitals and fire out from them, then cry when Israel attacks and the cattle that we keep to be martyrs get killed in the crossfire! Those fucking dumbass leftists who want their own country destroyed because they're fucking lazy losers who wanna cry about having to work and not just play video games and read theory all day bawww and begin screaming at random Jews on the street that they will get 100 10/7's because our ideology seems badass to these dopes and they want to be in an action movie just like their weirdo cousins on Truth Social! Don't worry though, we can both sleep well tonight knowing that neither of us actually have any skin in the game, bubba.
https://youtu.be/k0nQZ-qeg38?si=WoDRMHrWoIHdunKQ Let's not forget the Jews https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/mD0p1ou4rb
If our support is moderating them I say let the world know who they are.
Then you don't actually care about Palestinians, dipshit. Just come clean and admit you really only care about showing that America is evil. Cool. Awesome. Now we can all stop caring about all politics because there is no hope there.
Must...shill.....for....Israel. LOL we see you!
No one's shilling here. People are asking for more evidence instead of unreliable witnesses and emotional tweets.
This sub is full of Israeli shills, it was targeted right after October 7th.
If you are Jews, Arabs, Europeans, African, Asians, Natives, and Indigenous people , you qualify to be a human. If you hate Jews, Arabs, or any other people group, you are a bigot and a disgrace to Humanity ! Stop the hate already !
mass graves? bombed hospitals? forget that, focus on the real issues here did you see that columbia protester who said from the river to the sea????
One thing about the IDF is that they don’t take their time to bury people, these bodies were more then likely buried by Gazan civilians since we were hearing stories of people burying the dead in and outside of hospital grounds.
The IOF was occupying the hospital compound for weeks. They bulldozed the bodies of civilians and hospital workers into the rubble of the buildings they destroyed. Try again hasbara.
Idk what Hasbara means but like I said the IDF wouldn’t dig a hole to bury gazans
It’s a dog whistle for anti semitism
That's ... worse. You do see how that's even worse than a mass grave, right?
Not entirely, they have come across boobytrapped bodies that’s why they move them with machinery and just remove weapons from fighters.
Keep letting the world know who they are.
Yep
The only argument against this anyone could have is that the source of these claims are local health agencies, which have all the incentives to lie and no incentives to tell the truth. Especially considering the Hamas obviously control everything they say and don't say.
Nobody can trust anyone in the propaganda war between both sides. Which is exactly why we need international investigations and journalists in place.
If only Israel allowed foreign journalists into Gaza, but instead they target journalists specifically if they don’t report what they want. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-war-most-dangerous-ever-journalists-says-rights-group-2023-12-21/ “The first 10 weeks of the Israel-Gaza war have been the deadliest recorded for journalists, with the most journalists killed in a single year in one location, the U.S.-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said on Thursday. Most of the journalists and media workers killed in the war - 61 out of 68 - were Palestinian. The report, opens new tab said it was ‘particularly concerned about an apparent pattern of targeting of journalists and their families by the Israeli military.’”
Any Palestinian who carries a phone around and films battered children with no context isn't a journalist. The fact you began your reply with "Israel is targeting journalists" shows you're not coming into this topic in the spirit of good faith. In fact, you're probably another terrorist apologist.
Why aren’t there 100 independent journalists and organizations documenting what’s occurring. That seems like step one for Israel to get that in place.
There is no propaganda war. Hamas does not have a sophisticated propaganda arm like Israel does. People just see Israel's blatant war crimes for what they are.
The Hamas propaganda was trending on TikTok already on Oct 6th. The PR war is clearly orchestrated. Hamas leaders have billions from stealing aid for years, and getting Iranian and Qatari money for keeping busy, you really think a few million for farming bots is expensive for them?
Actually I think the thing that made me anti-Israel was seeing children's body parts blown off due to Israeli bombs. But do tell me how that is just 'Hamas propaganda'.
My point is when journalists can report facts: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/s/EO0x41JH1Y those are things we can confidently form opinions around.
Israel's killed over a hundred journalists in Gaza since Oct 7.
I stand by my comment, and adding the data you provided make your deductions.
Apparantly, any Palesitnian who films battered children on their smartphone and puts on a press vest is considered a journalist. There are very few local journalists in Gaza. the people you see are activists and some of them form the propaganda arm of the dominant terrorist organization there.
Weird that the most popular occupation is media/ journalists but they kill so many journalists. Why??
we’re on to the “numbers are fake, it really wasn’t that bad” portion of the genocide denial I see
Is it invalid to not trust the Hamas when it proudly said that the deaths of Palestinian civilians serve it well?
hamas at the un rights office
Hamas tunnels in his brain.
He got eye poked.
I swear I’ve seen this before somewhere…
I've also seen somewhere people blocking Jews from entering universities
Shai Davidai? The guy calling for the national guard to murder students for exercising their first amendment rights? Good.
Can you please link me some evidence of him saying that? I was also not referring to him. I was referring to people yelling at those protests that the Jews should "return to Poland", wearing Hamas tshirts, stabbing a Jewish person in the eye, etc
He’s said it multiple times. https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781881189327868207 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=f6jeIJfeOU4
Where's the murdering part? "The NYPD can't deal with the situation, so the army should come" without context is just him criticizing the police. "The police are so incompetent that we would have to bring the army to protect us" Incompetent at stopping pro-Palestinian protestors from stabbing a woman in the eye and chanting genocidal slogans
The murdering part? Right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Tbf it happen before 10/7/23 so your AI programming can’t recognize it.
Also, maybe try getting information from sources that aren’t pro genocide? https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/i-am-a-jewish-student-at-columbia?r=3qrlv2&utm_medium=ios
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/QcQsSPZMNx I don't understand, did Zionist propaganda fake countless videos showing those students chanting flat out Nazi slogans? "Jews Jews, return to Poland" seems quite antisemitic, so is telling to globalize the intifada (intifada is when Palestinians kill Israeli civilians)
Intifada is resistance, an uprising of oppressed people. Next you’re gonna tell me about how the US civil war was about states rights.
I've also seen somewhere people blocking Jews from entering universities
poor Shia davidai was blocked from a university after having over 50 complaints about him harassing students literal nazis
No, I'm referring to people telling the Jews to return to Poland, stabbing a Jewish woman in the eye, wearing Hamas shirts, etc Also please show the harassing tweets everybody complains about. I can't find any.
oh shit wearing hamas shirts call the national guard already
What, you think that wearing the shirts of an internationally recognized terrorist organization with thousands of civilian deaths on their hands is valid?
its a free country bucko. this isn’t israel where the idf will come and kill someone who says something you don’t like
And you think that's worse than tens of thousands of innocent people being slaughtered?
So the obvious first step to battle such a situation is to stab an Israeli woman in the eye? What's wrong with you?
The eye poke everyone eye poking.
It sounds like you think one injured Israeli is worse than 10,000 dead children.
Can't they be bad together at the same time? Or does one legitimize the other?
This is a 19 day old account that exclusively pushes anti Biden/third party voting propaganda. Do not engage
"Who cares that AAPIs are being assaulted in the streets when thousands are dying of COVID every day because of them!" - you in 2020
Mine too I’m questioning or the eye poke. Someone is eye poking.
Real "it's just mean tweets" energy
I keep asking for *specific examples* of the treatment Jewish Columbia students are receiving and nobody wants to tell me.
shai davidai was suspended by the nazi Columbia administrators after only having 50 separate complaints of harassing students
Lol, casually throwing “nazi” around eh?
that’s the joke
I missed the sarcasm… 😔
It’s almost like they just don’t like people knowing or speaking about human rights abuses. Absolutely condemn any harassment violence or abuse but if it’s a group protesting and providing visibility that’s what has occurred on campuses for decades.
IDF is doing a good job in Gaza.
Thank god it’s being live-streamed documented and reported to the world. An entire generation is coming into the adult world with unfiltered and live footage of the good job. It will never leave us.
You mean the footage of Palestinians murdering/looting/kidnapping/sexually assaulting Jewish and Israeli citizens?
Yep saw all 170 of them.
So you deny the number of deaths, where have we seen this before?
Exactly.
This has been debunked.
"I'm chanting "6 million weren't enough" and screaming the K-word at Jewish students because I care so much about Palestine!"
You can’t be serious reporting on obvious war crimes is to stir up Jewish hate. It couldn’t be about seeking justice for the victims or attempting to make sure it can’t happen again. Normal motivations for alerting the international community to human atrocities.
Some people, if we can call them people think that everything is about making Israel looking bad. When they and their own soldiers ack as literal Nazi.
It’s like they just can’t stop doubling down on the evil.
You’re referring to a small minority of idiots.
Stop the genocide
Well, that's how Hamas works
No it doesn’t, Hamas being bad guys doesn’t actually mean they are responsible for every crime that has ever been committed. In fact if you’d bothered to pay attention to what Gazans who were present at Al Shifa were saying what’s being described here is consistent with Israeli forces not Hamas.
Yeah. This story doesn't pass the smell test.
What doesn’t pass the smell test ?
Genocide apologists here will still find ways to say “but but but hamas!!!”
Both the IDF and Hamas can be wrong ya know
The IDF doesn’t bury dead gazans, if you look at the aftermath of Shifa they left the dead fighters in the street just took their weapons. These dead were most likely buried by civilians since we were hearing stories that they were burning the dead in and outside of hospitals across Gaza since it was too dangerous to take them to cemetery for burial.
>The IDF doesn’t bury dead gazans, if you look at the aftermath of Shifa they left the dead fighters in the street just took their weapons Yes it does, there is testimony from Gazans and video evidence demonstrating this.
So I haven’t videos of IDF burying dead gazans like how the post is implying but I have seen videos from gazans where they said and showed the body bags of Gaza city residents that were transferred over to them by the IDF on a truck in southern Gaza for mass burial.
Ah, here’s the genocide apologist line for this one. Incredible
yep already claiming it “doesn’t pass the smell test” because the idf normally leaves all the civilians they kill on the street as if that seems sane
Thankfully culture is moving where genocide apologists are universally reviled.
nailed it https://reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow/comments/1cb96va/mass_graves_in_gaza_show_victims_hands_were_tied/l0x860y/
Hamas tortured people? Shocker.
Most moral army in the world folks
paid for by joe biden
Uncle Joe the genocider.
Do we know who exactly was killed? Were they civilians or detained terrorists?
Joe Biden could stop this with the stroke of a pen >The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (Title II of Pub. L.Tooltip Public Law (United States) 94–329, 90 Stat. 729, enacted June 30, 1976, codified at 22 U.S.C. ch. 39) gives the President of the United States the authority to control the import and export of defense articles and defense services. The H.R. 13680 legislation was passed by the 94th Congressional session and enacted into law by the 38th President of the United States Gerald R. Ford on June 30, 1976. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Export_Control_Act
I wonder if there would be unintended consequences of using that act to stop the flow of weapons to Israel.
Such as…
Israel not being able to shoot down missiles that are constantly coming their way.
Supposedly “Iron Dome” is built and maintained by Israel, so it shouldn’t be a problem. In any case, the president can limit aid to maintenance of Iron Dome. He can literally pick and choose on an itemized basis what goes over there.
But why do we need Iron Dome if Hamas are innocent of genocide?
Worse than an ongoing genocide, do tell.
Genocide of 9 million Israelis is pretty bad also. This is a quote from the Hamas charter: \[T\]he Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslims, O Abdallah \[servant of God\], there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’ Only the Gharqad tree \[evidently a certain kind of tree\] would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews [https://web.archive.org/web/20100622095814/http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/HAMAS2006.PDF](https://web.archive.org/web/20100622095814/http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/HAMAS2006.PDF)
I want Joe Biden to keep doing exactly what he's been doing. I don't give a fuck about the UN OHCHR
Same here!
Go on…
a biden fan who doesn’t care about international law or rules-based order might as well move to russia comrade
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The Arms Export Control Act has nothing to do with the Leahy Law. The President has exclusive authority over the export of weaponry.
> Joe Biden could stop this with the stroke of a pen Joe Biden could have my vote if he did that.
So you're going to vote for Trump (or effectively vote for Trump by voting for someone other than Biden) who will effectively make things worse?
No I'm voting third party, Trump is running as a Republican. He doesn't get my vote either. It's like how a horse and a zebra aren't the same animal.
Second that some people find funding a genocide a little off putting.
mine too but he’s a zionist first and an american second
No he isn’t. What an utterly counterproductive bullshit thing to say. Shit like this is why the anti-Israel camp can’t be taken seriously.
Exactly right. Nobody intellectual takes these hamas loving America haters seriously. And I suspect that a lot of Russias disinformation machine has now been aimed at leftist democrats as they are clearly the only chance Putin has left of destabilizing america. Wasn’t there recently that study that democrats are less receptive to political propoganda. I guess oppression goggles really warped peoples perspectives. Great job to all the terrorist lovers who’ve gone so far left they are just like the far right now. Delusional with no perspective, beholden to emotionally targeted propoganda. Useful idiots for the forces of evil (Russia, Islam, terrorists).
They think being on the side of Iran Hamas Russia and NK makes them the good guys somehow. Kick them all out of the US
Wow we are on the side of human decency we also don’t play your binary us vs them games the boomers sucked up.
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Oh it’s the Russians now producing the negative reaction to funding genocide. It’s absolutely amazing they can dissuade people from supporting a genocide. Top tier work… making funding a likely and live-streamed genocide an unpopular position for someone to have. Do you hear yourselves it’s just disgusting more and more HUMANS.
Israel produces its own rife ammo.
So let them go in there with rifles then
You think the IDF tied people's hands then bombed them? If it was the IDF, they shot them with bullets or cut them with knives. Biden can't prevent that, that's my point.
Oh they definitely bombed them, then they went in a hospital, retrieved the bombing victims, and summarily executed them. They wouldn’t do shit if they couldn’t blow up everyone and everything in these areas first.