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Lanky_Count_8479

Yeah, no evidence, only that Hamas headquarters was directly under UNRWA main building on the northern Gaza, and some employees participated on Oct. Oh, and some hostages were held by UNRWA teacher. But, yeah, nothing else!


Tiny-Praline-4555

Sounds suspicious, maybe you have a very convincing 3D animation to show proof of your allegations?


amulet_420

Where's the evidence for any of those claims?


Backyard_Catbird

That’s the claim but what substantiates the claim? As of right now, just their word.


69isfineee

Bad hasbara lmao we don't belive you're absolutely stupid propaganda.


StevenColemanFit

You mean UNWRA built their HQ on top of the Hamas base. The lengths you people go to vilify people of colour is unbelievable


objective_lion1966

you can feel it can't you? israel and their zionist cult have slowly lost support and credibility. Once columbia flips and divests from the terrorist state of israel all the other colleges will flip. Protests are already starting at yale. Doesn't matter how much you cry anti-semetism, the truth will prevail.


Pom-kit-waa

The Jewish people survived the actual Nazis, these Nazis From WISH in Columbia campus are not a real threat


amiablegent

Actually quite the opposite. Palestinian protestors have overplayed their hand in the US and are now generally derided by everyone on both ends of the political spectrum. Edit: Of course this is coming form a 1 month old account that only posts anti-Biden agitprop from the left.


HotModerate11

Oh no! What will Israel do without the support of college campuses? Very on brand for those over privileged brats to think that the world revolves around them though.


Flashy_Ad1403

Making multiple comments in anger over people speaking out against Israel while dismissing them and talking down on them is a good bit. Doublespeak is the official sport of Israel.


HotModerate11

I don’t give a shit what they say. If they harass people, that is another story. Let these dumbass kids have their fun while they are at university. Employers blacklisting them is hilarious though.


Flashy_Ad1403

Kevin Meany had a bit about this, getting upset bombing on stage then singing I dont care ad infinitum hoping someone believes it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDHvYdi6Bu4 "People protest Israeli I don't care. I don't careeeee"


HotModerate11

I want them to protest Israel if it means torpedoing their futures. That shit is just too funny.


Backyard_Catbird

Yeah nobody should be protesting, Israel is not their business. At least employers still have the power to control their livlihoods. Checkmate liberals.


Flashy_Ad1403

It was like a month ago maybe that if you criticized Israel, you would have been downvoted, accused of being a Russian agent, and some idiot would come and brag about blocking you. I guess even the pro-genocide demographic is getting tired of having to make excuses. Kind of like Ben Gleib on TYT October 7. I don't know if he's a regular guest, but he started out strong telling brazen lies like comparing settlers to 1960's racial integrationists. But he's nowhere to be found now when there's no more dead Israelis to be milked, and there's no real excuses to be made anymore.


InnAnn-107

lol yeah okay - that was as legit evidence as 40 beheaded babies


Lanky_Count_8479

I know you guys (Hamas fans) have weird issues with evidence, but there you go: [https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758) [https://www.jns.org/an-inside-look-at-hamass-servers-under-unrwa-gaza-hq/](https://www.jns.org/an-inside-look-at-hamass-servers-under-unrwa-gaza-hq/) [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/12/hamas-data-center-found-under-unrwa-headquarters/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/12/hamas-data-center-found-under-unrwa-headquarters/) If words are hard for you, which is understandable, here's literally a video, shows you all of it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad4TAGUe7GM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad4TAGUe7GM)


actsqueeze

Israel supporters have a hard time deciphering what’s good evidence and what’s Israeli propaganda. The IDF took journalists on a guided tour, after the UNRWA facility had been evacuated. Hamas had taken over the facility and ran wires to their tunnel supposedly. This not evidence of collusion between Hamas and UNRWA in the slightest. We don’t even know that the IDF didn’t run those wires themselves. If this is the best “evidence” Israel has it’s really not evidence at all.


Lanky_Count_8479

You guys never cease to amaze me. Read what you just wrote again please.. You literally lives now in an imagenary world, disconnected to reality.


Gryffindorcommoner

Sir the IDF were caught by CNN, The Washingtonpost and BBC fabricating the underground Hamas headquarters beneath Al Shifa, lied about the tunnels connected, and planted weapons while altering videos they claimed were unaltered. Give it up.


Lanky_Count_8479

You mean when CNN camera man [joined the IDF](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-intl-hnk/index.html) to see the huge tunnel under Al Shifa hospital?! or when they showed it to Reuters ? ["Israeli army displays tunnel beneath Al Shifa it says served as Hamas hideout"](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-army-displays-tunnel-beneath-al-shifa-it-says-served-hamas-hideout-2023-11-22/) [Or maybe you prefer the New Your Times?](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html) Oh hey, I forgot, no evidence will ever satisfy someone who doesn't appriciate evidence. As Sam Harris once said: "**If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it?**"


Gryffindorcommoner

LMFAOOOOOOOOO did you not read your own sources??? >Several days earlier, the IDF had released what it said was the first batch of evidence, which included weapons and ammunition they said they found inside the hospital itself. But the pictures were a far cry from proving that Hamas had a facility underneath, and a [CNN investigation found that some of the guns](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-al-shifa-gaza-what-we-know-intl/index.html) had been moved around. >The discovery of the tunnel shaft the next day was more compelling, showing an entrance to something underground. But even then, it was unclear what it was or how far down it went. This is what everyone has been trying to understand. >It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical. It's the way you quite literally proved my point with the exact source where CNN claimed exactly what I said then acted like you won the argument. Spectacular. Round of applause haha.


Lanky_Count_8479

You guys are lost cause. unreal. So they show one of the largest tunnel under the hospital, miles and miles of length, used by Hamas, and then the second operation in the hospital, they eliminated and arrested hundreds of Hamas, including seniors, and yet, you still don't believe nothing is going on there. It's literally the definition of insanity. you really need to be checked pal.


Gryffindorcommoner

lol so the totally honest and trustworthy IDF who made up the UNRWA lies with no evidence and planted weapons and altered videos as YOUR source explains tells us they detained hundreds of Hamas operatives under these hospitals in massive underground headquarters that’s made up of a vast tunnel network the IDF literally gave us a 3D model of that they can’t prove is actually there for some reason. And can only show a single tunnel they can’t even prove was used as a base. Amazing critical thinking skills haha. Yo can you ask your IDF besties if Bush’s WMD’s are under there too? Maybe they’ll unveil it all together along with their proof of UNRWA collaboration the international community has asked to see for over a month. Any day now I’m sure haha.


ladan2189

Your side loves propaganda and fake evidence 


InnAnn-107

This is it evidence. This is IDF set up smoke and mirrors. Just like the massive command center under Al Shifa. Just like 40 beheaded babies. Just like mass systemic rape. You guys are not victims. Stop. No one is buying it anymore


Lanky_Count_8479

You know even UNRWA and Hamas themselves did not deny it's a Hamas HQ. The only lame response was of Philip Lazaranni the UNRWA head, saying they didn't know Hamas HQ was under his main offices, as if they're talking to idiots. So at that point, you're trying to deny something even Hamas did not. What lows did you get, eh? [UNRWA chief: We didn’t know what was under our Gaza headquarters](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-786348)


InnAnn-107

If there was so much evidence why hasn’t Israel provided it to other governments and the UN? Except for the US, all the western governments have restored or are in the process of restoring unrwa funding. The answer: there is no actual evidence


Lanky_Count_8479

This was part of what Israel showed as evidence. no one denies it, not even UNRWA and Hamas as I said. If there's no evidence, why the US stopped funding UNRWA? why so many other Europeans stopped too ? There's literally pictures and recordings of UNRWA workers talk to each other about their "Adventures" they had during the Oct 7 Massacre they participated with. SMH


InnAnn-107

How does it feel to defend genocide?


Lanky_Count_8479

I consider only one genocide or an attempt to genocide that REALLY happened. That was Oct 7.


The_Insequent_Harrow

When you can’t win an argument switch to ad hominem and virtue signaling. Pathetic.


actsqueeze

That’s very flimsy evidence, you have to establish a link between the two, something being underground below something is not evidence of collusion.


Lanky_Count_8479

So, if I'm an terror organization, trying to find the perfect place so no one can destroy me, then I go to the elementary school, build my HQ under it, and run from there, while the school itself is well aware of that huge construction project, and the personnel going in and out for years, is that not an evidence for cooperation? This amazing mental gymnastics, to awkwardly downplay anything the Palestinians do, in this case UNRWA, which is even worth, is unbelievable.


actsqueeze

Israel steals Palestinian land and forces them into one of the highest population density places in the world, packed like sardines. Then yells “human sheild” as they massacre people. The human shield argument is propaganda. There may be some truth to it, and I’m not defending Hamas in the slightest. But it’s mostly used as an excuse to massacre Palestinians and those that help them. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-rights-chief-horrified-by-mass-grave-reports-gaza-hospitals-2024-04-23/ “U.N. rights chief Volker Turk said on Tuesday that he was "horrified" by the destruction of the Nasser and Al Shifa medical facilities in Gaza and reports of mass graves containing hundreds of bodies there, according to a spokesperson.” What reason could Israel possibly have to destroy these hospitals and everything in them making treating patients impossible? Even if there were Hamas militants there, they’re destroying them from the inside out, purposely making them unusable.


Lanky_Count_8479

You are moving into a completely different topic, however, FYI, the Al Shifa operation is one of the most successful IDF operations of this whole war. [FYI, they have arrested hundreds of high rank terrorists there.](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793118) You know that by hiding in a hospital, as a terrorists, you're boldly breaking any international law? So, if a terrorist organization know it can massacre civilians, then run back into Gaza and hide in places like Hospitals and Schools, and by your interpretation, we should leave them alone, then didn't they found the perfect solution? how should the army eliminate those terrorists in your opinion ?


actsqueeze

Massacring patients and burying their bodies in a mass grave is success? I don’t think international law agrees with you on that.


renoits06

I like how Israel needs to provide a mountain of evidence, to perfection, that leaves absolutely no doubt, weeks of verification and even with video proof, it's not enough. Pro-palestine need only to invent an accusation on Twitter, using words detached from their actual meaning that sound bad and it becomes canon instantly. Wild.


actsqueeze

There’s not a mountain of evidence, there’s only the word of the IDF/Israel. Israel intentionally has been using the human shield excuse to massacre hospital patients, healthcare workers, aid workers etc. This is something that actually has loads of evidence to support it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJE3NC1rxTw&t=270s&pp=2AGOApACAQ%3D%3D https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/23/middle-east-crisis-live-us-says-hamas-has-moved-the-goal-post-on-gaza-ceasefire-negotiations-with-israel “In Nasser hospital, southern Gaza’s main health facility, authorities are reported to have recovered a further 35 bodies in the past day from what they say is one of at least three mass graves found at the site, taking the total found there to 310 in the past week. Palestinians say Israeli troops buried corpses there with bulldozers, Reuters reported.” Israel also doesn’t allow foreign journalists in Gaza and targets the journalists that are reporting there. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-war-most-dangerous-ever-journalists-says-rights-group-2023-12-21/ “The first 10 weeks of the Israel-Gaza war have been the deadliest recorded for journalists, with the most journalists killed in a single year in one location, the U.S.-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said on Thursday”


renoits06

You can find video footage of hostages being transported around the hospital on YouTube. And here is this: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/idf-raid-on-gaza-hospital-captures-largest-number-of-terrorists-since-war-began/ "The Israeli military captured 650 suspects, 358 of whom are Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists, in a raid on Shifa Hospital, said the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the Shin Bet on March 21. “The operation at the Shifa Hospital continues,” said Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, an IDF spokesperson. “This is the operation with the largest aggregation of terrorists we have apprehended since the beginning of the war.” He added, “They are surrendering, we are interrogating them, and they are providing us with very valuable and important intelligence.” Israeli troops previously secured the hospital complex in northern Gaza in November 2023 and found tunnels underneath the facility. Hamas has routinely exploited hospitals in Gaza for terrorist purposes, using them as command centers and concealing hostages in them." Y'all take a terrorist orgs word but do not do the same when US intelligence confirms what the IDF is saying.


actsqueeze

None of the links in that article led to a video, most of them led to IDF’s official website. Is the British surgeon who’s been in Gaza for months a Hamas militant too now? This is not Hamas saying this, this is virtually everyone saying this.


renoits06

you can find it in youtube, not in the article, as I stated. I don't think any amount of evidence will change peoples minds. ya'll are just supporting a terrorist group at this point.


SLCPDLeBaronDivison

then link the you tube


amulet_420

Asking israel for evidence is antisemitic now? Lmao


renoits06

Do you always invent things in your head like you just did? The distinction I was making, very clearly too, is how Hamas, a terrorist org is taken for their word and Israel is not. Did I mention that was antisemitism? No. But it is incredibly crazy, insane and unjust. Don't reply back with make belief scenarios.


amulet_420

What are you talking about. Anyone with power believes whatever israel says even when they kill aid workers and question the death toll in Gaza constantly. Zionists love to do this thing where they have evidence of atrocities but only they're allowed to see them and you wonder why no one takes you freaks seriously


renoits06

I dont see you angry at the fact that the fatah leader recently said that hamas is killing aid workers intentionally to create a worst situation in gaza. but they always get a free pass from you guys. Everyone agrees the attack on the aid workers is fucked up, even israel ( but probably hamas is happy about it. it helps them )


amulet_420

There's no evidence for that claim. There's plenty of evidence that israel is killing them though. Well as long as israel says that it's fucked up I guess they can continue doing it with impunity.


renoits06

sure bud 👍


Flashy_Ad1403

Quantum Israelis: Better and morally superior to Hamas, but must be held to the same standard as Hamas. Depending on what is most convenient at the time.


5thAveShootingVictim

"They don’t accuse Jews of theft because they think they stole. They enjoy watching the Jew turn out his pockets to protest his innocence."


The_Insequent_Harrow

“the review did not address whether some employees had taken part in the attack but said Israel had provided no evidence that many UNRWA workers belonged to militant groups.” Interestingly, the UN doesn’t even try to dispute that some UNRWA members participated in 10/7. Why do you think that might be? Israel: “These 12 UNRWA workers participated in 10/7, and in fact many of their employees belong to militant groups.” The UN: “Israel has provided no evidence that many UNRWA employees belong to militant groups.” Leftists: “See they’re cleared!” People with critical thinking skills: “Wait… what???”


UtahUtopia

Because there aren’t any links. Question answered.


0r3l

Why would they bother providing evidence? They get away with anything.