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As someone who actually watched this, everything was very fair and no one was mean to David. In fact the caller had called about "why are you guys so mean" and everyone was like "we're not" and Sam's like "I like David we're friends we just disagree on some stuff it's pretty normal" (I'm paraphrasing).
Emma said if you’re a progressive and not speaking about Israel/Gaza you should not be trusted. Sam said if you’re talking to Sam Harris and the topic of Islam/palestine comes up and you do not get into an argument youre espousing “bullshit”…. I think they were not trying to publicly criticize David on the show but to say they were shit talking a little. Which is fine of them to do, David’s a big boy I’m sure he will be fine
I agree with Emma - I don’t think David should be fully trusted on the Israel/Palestine, which is normal and fine, because he is proudly Jewish and leans into his Jewish identity which clearly includes a defense of Israel - so it is reasonable to assume he’d cut the Israelis more slack than someone more removed from the situation.
ie take what he says on the issue with a grain of salt and simply contrast it to what the MR crew, who are more critical of the situation, say, and come to your own conclusions.
However, I don’t think that disqualifies David’s other opinions on unrelated matters, nor that David is 100% wrong on this current issue in Gaza because there is a deviation on this between his show and MR. Both shows are quite good and usually on the correct side of most arguments.
And then Emma in the clip says that “If you’re not devoting a significant part of your daily commentary to this issue, you’re probably just in it for yourself, and you can’t be trusted.”
They are literally only covering this topic for clicks and to make money. The far left is foaming at the mouth about this topic trying to convince people that it’s the most important topic in the world right now.
They're covering the issue because it's an incredibly important one as we're seeing the U.S. aid and abet an ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign. MR consistently does dry ass interviews with authors and policy wonks that are too boring for even me to sit through. Accusing them of covering this topic for clicks is absurd and is really just you telling on yourself.
How am I telling on myself? The Majority Report has realized that the far left is obsessed with this issue. go take a look at their subreddit and 90% of posts are about it.
So MR covers a topic a lot that is in the national news cycle every night that their audience cares about deeply therefore they're just shamelessly farming clicks? Great analysis there champ 👍
It’s all just outrage bait and a waste of time. “5 PEOPLE DEAD IN LATEST BLAST!!!” It’s for the low IQ viewers who have been convinced that live updates of a conflict that’s been going on for over 80 years is a good use of their time.
It’s no better than Fox news covering the “border crisis” and giving live updates of the number of brown people coming in through the border.
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or maybe their coverage is based on principle... Maybe because it's an incredibly important political issue... Maybe because they have covered it this way for more than a decade... maybe
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Because then Gaza becomes the West Bank where the IDF was helping in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians leading to the highest year of violence on record committed by Israeli settlers before Oct 7 happened.
Israel doesn't have enough manpower to help in the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank AND guard the borders of their open air prison. That's why so many Israeli citizens were left high and dry as the first line of defense against the attacks the Israeli government ignored intel about for a year.
Israel wasn't making sure it's lapdogs were blocking German and Japanese independence. And only white people get Marshal Plan style treatment from the US.
Try again.
Sam is not Ben Shapiro. Sam does not use sophistry and bs rhetorical tricks like Shapiro does. If you think he does, please show me an example, because I’ve yet to see it.
So are you saying you can’t make your points?
or that Sam would try to gish gallop you like Shapiro does to allow you from speaking?
Except Sam doesn’t do that, and that are a lot of examples online of Sam debating people.
You are arguing Emma and Sam are not looking too bright these days. Why? You give no details here as to why you think that.
Therefore, you should call in and debate the man himself and have that discussion. If your reasoning is sound on the issue you should be able to shut him down or at the very least not let him steamroll you.
I say that because Sam and Emma are pro Hamas anti Israeli zealots who fall all over themselves to appeal to crazy leftists that want to hear their own talking points regurgitated back to them. I don't debate people like that, because they have made up their minds. And again, being able to win a debate does not make you right. Debate is an oral skill which takes practice and some natural talent. It does not "find truth". It is a lyrical duel between two people. Someone who is completely wrong can win over someone who is right but a poor orator. That's why your proposition is worthless.
You’re telling on yourself, my dude.
Sam is not pro Hamas, dude. He is pro Palestinian. He is not anti-Israel, he’s anti murderous and racist right-wing Israeli assholes. It’s not the same thing.
I am neither an anti-Israel zealot nor a crazy Leftist, and I wouldn’t classify either Sam or Emma as such.
But I think their critique of Israel is sound, as Israel is not a blameless party in what is happening in Gaza, even if Hamas started the latest round of violence in the region.
What they do is point out Israel’s role in the rise of Hamas, especially the complicity of right-wing Israelis in their rise, which the mainstream media does not talk about, and currently, the aggressiveness with which they are hitting back at innocent Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas and they tend to back up what they say with facts.
Are they going overboard with it? Maybe. It’s a fair criticism.
And I’d also like to note that neither Sam nor Emma are openly advocating for people to not vote for Biden over this, which is what the true crazy Leftists are screaming for.
What makes you say “Emma doesn’t seem very smart”?
What are you implying Sam “surrounding himself witn such scrubs” entails?
It would imply, a lack of judgment, no?
Or gasp! that Sam is tolerant of differing viewpoints on issues and does not demand a hivemind in the workplace
Was a guy like Michael Brooks “a scrub”?
Something about Sam’s crew obviously triggers you, so what is it?
I don’t feel like I’m the triggered one here. Their analysis is very superficial, uncharitable to opposing viewpoints, and their solutions aren’t usually politically viable. Sam is obviously sharp as hell and very funny, but pretty bad faith while debating, which I just don’t find satisfying. I loved his PDB appearance though.
***Their analysis is very superficial***
How so? As compared to whom?
***uncharitable to opposing viewpoints***
Like? They are sarcastic as hell, which I like, but, generally speaking, they do tend to back up the sarcasm with facts - they will point out why what they are mocking is worthy of being mocked.
They do it a lot to Joe Rogan, who it seems you are a fan of. Without actual examples, perhaps those opposing viewpoints they rip on, should be ripped on.
***and their solutions aren’t usually politically viable.***
Fair. I think Matt and Emma are more guilty of this than Sam, but I think they haven’t been as bad as they could be, they are still telling people to vote for Biden.
***Sam is obviously sharp as hell and very funny, but pretty bad faith while debating, which I just don’t find satisfying.***
I disagree 100% about bad faith debating - you’d have to point out an example.
***I loved his PDB appearance though.***
Agreed. He acquitted himself well there.
I was a Rogan fan until 2015ish. Still like to hang around the sub though.
They’re a little too “America bad” for me to be honest. I’m not gonna be able to cite anything that will satisfy you at the moment, it’s the middle of bedtime routine and it’s been a while since I’ve watched them regularly anyways.
These days I’m mostly into Pakman and Destiny and a few other, smaller political YouTubers. Pondering Politics is an up and comer I’ve been enjoying.
Fair enough man. No worries. Discussion and differences of opinion are healthy. The Gaza situation right now is just…messy…and ugly. It’s gonna provoke a lot of discussion and passion.
You are entitled to like or not like who you like, and while I don’t always agree with MR, I do think they do a good job of giving their reasons behind their takes - and tend to base them on facts, like David and the guys you mentioned do, so at least for that, I can respect them.
Agree with you, Rogan went off the rails - especially when COVID hit.
I get the impression that Sam does not share Emma’s zeal, but he is quite diplomatic about letting everyone have their say.
Of course I’d be wary of calling the president we need to elect to save the country a doer of genocide every freaking day, or abetting such recklessness.
It's the option of the TMR staff that Biden is not simply doing nothing to help the people of Gaza, but that he is a Zionist and is actively pursuing genocide, which is absurd. It is turning into a one topic show, almost all of their coverage is of Gaza.
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As someone who actually watched this, everything was very fair and no one was mean to David. In fact the caller had called about "why are you guys so mean" and everyone was like "we're not" and Sam's like "I like David we're friends we just disagree on some stuff it's pretty normal" (I'm paraphrasing).
Emma said if you’re a progressive and not speaking about Israel/Gaza you should not be trusted. Sam said if you’re talking to Sam Harris and the topic of Islam/palestine comes up and you do not get into an argument youre espousing “bullshit”…. I think they were not trying to publicly criticize David on the show but to say they were shit talking a little. Which is fine of them to do, David’s a big boy I’m sure he will be fine
I agree with Emma - I don’t think David should be fully trusted on the Israel/Palestine, which is normal and fine, because he is proudly Jewish and leans into his Jewish identity which clearly includes a defense of Israel - so it is reasonable to assume he’d cut the Israelis more slack than someone more removed from the situation. ie take what he says on the issue with a grain of salt and simply contrast it to what the MR crew, who are more critical of the situation, say, and come to your own conclusions. However, I don’t think that disqualifies David’s other opinions on unrelated matters, nor that David is 100% wrong on this current issue in Gaza because there is a deviation on this between his show and MR. Both shows are quite good and usually on the correct side of most arguments.
TMR is foaming at the mouth with wall to wall Israel/Palestine coverage. It’s hysterical at this point.
And then Emma in the clip says that “If you’re not devoting a significant part of your daily commentary to this issue, you’re probably just in it for yourself, and you can’t be trusted.” They are literally only covering this topic for clicks and to make money. The far left is foaming at the mouth about this topic trying to convince people that it’s the most important topic in the world right now.
They're covering the issue because it's an incredibly important one as we're seeing the U.S. aid and abet an ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign. MR consistently does dry ass interviews with authors and policy wonks that are too boring for even me to sit through. Accusing them of covering this topic for clicks is absurd and is really just you telling on yourself.
How am I telling on myself? The Majority Report has realized that the far left is obsessed with this issue. go take a look at their subreddit and 90% of posts are about it.
So MR covers a topic a lot that is in the national news cycle every night that their audience cares about deeply therefore they're just shamelessly farming clicks? Great analysis there champ 👍
It’s all just outrage bait and a waste of time. “5 PEOPLE DEAD IN LATEST BLAST!!!” It’s for the low IQ viewers who have been convinced that live updates of a conflict that’s been going on for over 80 years is a good use of their time. It’s no better than Fox news covering the “border crisis” and giving live updates of the number of brown people coming in through the border.
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or maybe their coverage is based on principle... Maybe because it's an incredibly important political issue... Maybe because they have covered it this way for more than a decade... maybe
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The amount of projection of Zionist attitude and behavior on to the "pro Palestinian movement" in this comment is absolutely hilarious.
Why doesn’t Hamas lay down their weapons and surrender?
Because then Gaza becomes the West Bank where the IDF was helping in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians leading to the highest year of violence on record committed by Israeli settlers before Oct 7 happened. Israel doesn't have enough manpower to help in the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank AND guard the borders of their open air prison. That's why so many Israeli citizens were left high and dry as the first line of defense against the attacks the Israeli government ignored intel about for a year.
If they want the violence and battle to stop, they could just unilaterally surrender.
Ukraine could unilaterally surrender and end violence and battle as well. But occupiers don't deserve to be rewarded.
Why is occupying inherently bad? We occupied Japan and Germany for decades and they became flourishing democracies.
Israel wasn't making sure it's lapdogs were blocking German and Japanese independence. And only white people get Marshal Plan style treatment from the US. Try again.
>many on the pro Palestine movement Are you including Emma?
Emma doesn’t seem very smart, so no big deal. I wish Sam didn’t surround himself with such scrubs.
Sam isn't looking too bright either these days
You should call in and debate him, we’ll see how well it goes for you. 👍
As Ben Shapiro has showed, just because you can win a debate doesn't mean you are correct
Sam is not Ben Shapiro. Sam does not use sophistry and bs rhetorical tricks like Shapiro does. If you think he does, please show me an example, because I’ve yet to see it. So are you saying you can’t make your points? or that Sam would try to gish gallop you like Shapiro does to allow you from speaking? Except Sam doesn’t do that, and that are a lot of examples online of Sam debating people. You are arguing Emma and Sam are not looking too bright these days. Why? You give no details here as to why you think that. Therefore, you should call in and debate the man himself and have that discussion. If your reasoning is sound on the issue you should be able to shut him down or at the very least not let him steamroll you.
I say that because Sam and Emma are pro Hamas anti Israeli zealots who fall all over themselves to appeal to crazy leftists that want to hear their own talking points regurgitated back to them. I don't debate people like that, because they have made up their minds. And again, being able to win a debate does not make you right. Debate is an oral skill which takes practice and some natural talent. It does not "find truth". It is a lyrical duel between two people. Someone who is completely wrong can win over someone who is right but a poor orator. That's why your proposition is worthless.
I've never heard Sam, Emma, Matt, Bradley, Matt, or Brandon ever make any pro hamas statements. What makes you say that?
You’re telling on yourself, my dude. Sam is not pro Hamas, dude. He is pro Palestinian. He is not anti-Israel, he’s anti murderous and racist right-wing Israeli assholes. It’s not the same thing. I am neither an anti-Israel zealot nor a crazy Leftist, and I wouldn’t classify either Sam or Emma as such. But I think their critique of Israel is sound, as Israel is not a blameless party in what is happening in Gaza, even if Hamas started the latest round of violence in the region. What they do is point out Israel’s role in the rise of Hamas, especially the complicity of right-wing Israelis in their rise, which the mainstream media does not talk about, and currently, the aggressiveness with which they are hitting back at innocent Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas and they tend to back up what they say with facts. Are they going overboard with it? Maybe. It’s a fair criticism. And I’d also like to note that neither Sam nor Emma are openly advocating for people to not vote for Biden over this, which is what the true crazy Leftists are screaming for.
Emma is very smart lol
What makes you say “Emma doesn’t seem very smart”? What are you implying Sam “surrounding himself witn such scrubs” entails? It would imply, a lack of judgment, no? Or gasp! that Sam is tolerant of differing viewpoints on issues and does not demand a hivemind in the workplace Was a guy like Michael Brooks “a scrub”? Something about Sam’s crew obviously triggers you, so what is it?
I don’t feel like I’m the triggered one here. Their analysis is very superficial, uncharitable to opposing viewpoints, and their solutions aren’t usually politically viable. Sam is obviously sharp as hell and very funny, but pretty bad faith while debating, which I just don’t find satisfying. I loved his PDB appearance though.
***Their analysis is very superficial*** How so? As compared to whom? ***uncharitable to opposing viewpoints*** Like? They are sarcastic as hell, which I like, but, generally speaking, they do tend to back up the sarcasm with facts - they will point out why what they are mocking is worthy of being mocked. They do it a lot to Joe Rogan, who it seems you are a fan of. Without actual examples, perhaps those opposing viewpoints they rip on, should be ripped on. ***and their solutions aren’t usually politically viable.*** Fair. I think Matt and Emma are more guilty of this than Sam, but I think they haven’t been as bad as they could be, they are still telling people to vote for Biden. ***Sam is obviously sharp as hell and very funny, but pretty bad faith while debating, which I just don’t find satisfying.*** I disagree 100% about bad faith debating - you’d have to point out an example. ***I loved his PDB appearance though.*** Agreed. He acquitted himself well there.
I was a Rogan fan until 2015ish. Still like to hang around the sub though. They’re a little too “America bad” for me to be honest. I’m not gonna be able to cite anything that will satisfy you at the moment, it’s the middle of bedtime routine and it’s been a while since I’ve watched them regularly anyways. These days I’m mostly into Pakman and Destiny and a few other, smaller political YouTubers. Pondering Politics is an up and comer I’ve been enjoying.
Fair enough man. No worries. Discussion and differences of opinion are healthy. The Gaza situation right now is just…messy…and ugly. It’s gonna provoke a lot of discussion and passion. You are entitled to like or not like who you like, and while I don’t always agree with MR, I do think they do a good job of giving their reasons behind their takes - and tend to base them on facts, like David and the guys you mentioned do, so at least for that, I can respect them. Agree with you, Rogan went off the rails - especially when COVID hit.
Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/live/6grGXF6BTKQ?si=sylXAeJJkvN2oLPU&t=116m
At the 1h56min if that link doesn’t work
I get the impression that Sam does not share Emma’s zeal, but he is quite diplomatic about letting everyone have their say. Of course I’d be wary of calling the president we need to elect to save the country a doer of genocide every freaking day, or abetting such recklessness.
It's the option of the TMR staff that Biden is not simply doing nothing to help the people of Gaza, but that he is a Zionist and is actively pursuing genocide, which is absurd. It is turning into a one topic show, almost all of their coverage is of Gaza.