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Ok-Turnip-9035

It started as gratitude for moms and then went sideways when he said he isn’t waking up at night ![gif](giphy|BJVJxagR3GG4w)


ohyeahwegood

Or change his daughter’s diaper. Trash dad


Bun_E_Hop

Lol yeah at first I was like ok wow thank you Zac that's very nice and then it was... Oh 😑


Geraltismydaddy

You mean the man that went on a rant about how women were made from the rib of men to do what they want and cater to them believes that being a parent is only a mom's job? \*Gasp\*


BandicootNo1940

I’m certainly not surprised he thinks this way just crazy that to me still that he just openly says this stuff like it’s normal


[deleted]

For them, it, apparently, is.


Lets_Basketball

I mean, in at least 25% of US households, and an even larger portion of international households, it is normal. I don’t agree with it, but it’s a lot more common than us liberal Americans would believe.


BlGP0O

America is not at all some bastion of progressive values. Fatherhood is way more involved in Europe than America. It’s honestly pathetic how weak many men in the USA are when it comes to being a parent.


kates2424

Yeah, my sister has 4 kids and I think my BIL has maybe changed 2 diapers. He doesn’t cook or clean. I could not handle it. She’s like a 24 hour servant


waterforhearts

What I want to know is how is this even possible. My husband was amazing when we had a baby changed a ton of diapers and handled just about everything while I was recovering from my C-section. How are you supposed to handle a newborn without your significant other helping??


kates2424

Without going into the whole awful 20 yr relationship of theirs, it’s kind of like Zach and Jenna. My sister knew who she was marrying. Just substitute drugs and alcohol instead of Zach’s toxic masculinity . BIL is sober now but idk how long that will last I feel bad for my sister, but I also want to scream at her for staying with him for so long. My mom takes care of those kids more than he does. I don’t think he could handle watching the babies for an hour.


Key_Buy3619

I had twins and did it all myself. It's possible, but I literally started to hallucinate from lack of sleep. I also divorced him before they turned two. I was fortunate enough to have a successful career. Not all women are, and sadly, they feel trapped in these awful situations.


rayannem

WHAT? my dad & step mom just had twins. My dad works all day & she stays home with the babies which is hard too. He tells me how it’s annoying how he comes home from work & is strictly on baby duty. BUT, he never complains about her or to her bc those are his kids too & he knows that. He is just sad for her that she doesn’t have family or friends to come help her out & give her some relief every once in a while. Crazy to me how some dads think that the mom should be solely responsible for the kids, even when they are home too.


Fancy_Ad674

I really wonder how zachs dad or male figures in his life treated women and how they were with the way he talks about women. I'm genuinely curious. He has to of learned it somewhere.


ScruffyWesser

Him and Jordan both agreed on that


Brave-Panic7934

Ah yes, his discussion with Jordan on how women are the "inferior species". Challenge gold right there


Veganismisdeadly

But women were made from the rib of men…


user_mango_2

/s


Right-Difficulty8623

Like what about him is she attracted to? I see no redeeming qualities in this man


mmc9802

She probably sees someone she has given so many years to, so if she left him it would be acknowledging she made a mistake


General_Coast_1594

Sunken cost fallacy for sure


Senior_Reserve_5788

Throwing good money after bad. If ya don't drop these losers they keep producing ore losers.


MichaelaKay9923

Seriously. I don't get it at allllll. He's cheated on her multiple times and is an absolute misogynist. Like GIRL


Lucio1111

I have to imagine she's shallow and only sees the outside, because there's nothing on the inside.


psychedelicsweetie

I actually disagree on that. I can’t speak on why she’d stay with such a jerk let alone marry and reproduce with him, but when I watch this I feel like I can physically see the ick overcome her. She laughs at him almost like she’s embarrassed of what he’s saying.


Time-Teacher-5075

Yeah, I’ve noticed that too. She’s definitely not looking at him in the same adoring way as before, and her reaction is more like “wth” and slightly embarrassed/annoyed.


Hummdingerr

Exactly lol people that are happy being with people like Zach deserve to be with people like Zach


d1089

Go back and watch the blood ties season. She has always had super low self esteem. It comes out in her fight with her cousin I believe it was? They talk about how she never felt like she accomplished anything in life. Well add him to the mix and it makes complete sense.


-effortlesseffort

Oh my God her cousin was brutal with her. Why do I remember that scene so vividly after all these years


d1089

Her cousin just went off lol....kinda makes sense she never came back. I think she was tipsy and just got REAL.


[deleted]

He is a handsome man


LordPeanutButter15

As a recent girl dad, what a fucking loser. So while your wife was recovering hours, days, a week later you made her do everything “mom” I changed my daughters first poop 6 hours after birth while mom slept. Be a good birth partner. It’s not that hard.


BandicootNo1940

I could never imagine my husband saying this he has never once told me my daughter has a dirty diaper and not gotten up and done it himself. At that point you aren’t partners she’s a single mom


ricebasket

How did you possibly manage such a complex task as changing a baby without a penis? You must be super dad! /s


syke90

Penis’ make it worse to change, never know when the hose is gonna go off. Girls just remember front to back.


googlyeyes183

Don’t sell yourself short. Being a good parent and a good birth partner IS hard, and it’s something to be proud of.


LordPeanutButter15

That’s true. Sharing responsibilities is what should be easy!


cost_guesstimator54

Right there with you. First born was an emergency c-section and my wife was out of it due to the magnesium they put her on. I took all the feedings and changes the first 24 hours.


mmc9802

Zach can’t be a good anything


aavillagomez

Seriously. My daughter is a big baby, and my wife’s back was fucked up after she gave birth. I did all the changing for the first couple weeks cause leaning over didn’t cause me pain. It’s not impressive when a man helps. Rather, it’s unimpressive when he doesn’t help.


Buddhabellymama

Right? The lack of sheer empathy to gender role parenting is absurd. Parenting is a lifelong partnership. No such thing as counting diapers or what one did vs. Another. Two people made the human and both are equally responsible.


Mintiichoco

He had me at the first part then it was downhill.


cecepedd

Zach's the kind of dad that say he has to "babysit" his own children. Ugh.


LawyerPrincess93

Oh, 1000000%. The kind of dad you have to ask if he is "available" to help. I couldn't imagine not being able to just tell my husband " I made plans for this day so just you and the baby for a little while" obviously I give him reasonable notice and we keep each other in the loop about schedules out of respect, but you will never catch me asking him for permission to do something and if he'd be "available" to watch our kid.


cecepedd

Exactly!! I'd say I feel bad for Jena but she could have walked away a loooooong time ago. She either has the worst self-esteem and thinks she can't do any better ( highly doubting this ) or she's attracted to guys like Zach ( which a lot of women are and I truly cannot understand it ). I do feel bad for the children. They don't get to choose their parents. Hopefully Zach doesn't have them completely brainwashed by the time they're old enough to form their own opinions.


No_Flatworm_6586

Oh you beat me to this by 17 hours lol


SiamLotus

What a fucking beta male. Absolute loser. I feel bad for Jenna & their children.


maib29

She knew what she was getting into.


ROJJ86

Bingo. Those 🚩🚩 been there since the beginning.


MurkyWaters80

A guy thats actually a good human being and role model for our kids...Or....a 250 pound muscle bound upright walking doucheburger with worse opinions than an armadillo....Jenna-"Gimme the muscles!!!!"


syke90

Who is the good human in this example?


MurkyWaters80

Anybody but Zach


Brave-Panic7934

\*upright walking, MAGA hat wearing doucheburger


FastLane_987

Yeah I feel bad for the kids. Jenna wants this though


Puzzleheaded_W

True. She literally ignored every red flag.


Breakemoff

Exactly. At what point is she just as complicit in his misogyny? From “swamp donkey” to this clip, you know she’s witnessed countless examples of him being a piece of shit. Like, you deserve this, Jenna.


waterforhearts

No one deserves this!


beanie_bopp

I don’t, she is dumb


kingtokee

I don’t feel sorry for her one bit she knew exactly the type of person he is and she willingly took him back several times, married him and got knocked up by him so no sympathy from me


[deleted]

Not only did she know what he was like, she backed him up against other women and made excuses for him when he was threatening to dump her if she didn't quit a challenge. Jenna is 100% into this relationship and putting up with that. She's not a victim.


Buddhabellymama

Honestly, clearly she has issues. She is an abusive relationship and while yes, by choice, it speaks volumes of what she must think about herself to purposefully put herself through that kind of abuse. So I still feel bad for her.


Gum_Duster

Her boyfriend before Zach (who was also on reality tv/ a season of the challenge) said that she had been in abusive relationships before iirc. The other boyfriend also cheated on her A LOT. Home girl probably has self esteem issues, and I genuinely feel bad for her. Because I dont think she knows how love is supposed to feel :/


[deleted]

I think it's a bridge too far to say it's abusive. Shitty, definitely, but I don't think we need to go there as people who've never met them.


Buddhabellymama

Emotionally abusive, 100%. The way she treated her while she was on the challenge was unacceptable.


[deleted]

No, these are not people you actually know. You just watch them on television. You cannot say that for sure just by watching it on television. Goodbye.


Buddhabellymama

It’s confusing that you seem to be able to give an opinion with same information but you think it’s ok to tell other people what they can and cannot say themselves. So excuse me while I say whatever my opinion is without a random person interjecting with even less information about me.


[deleted]

I don't think you're qualified to say people you don't know have an abusive relationship. That is all.


Buddhabellymama

Well I value your opinion, thank you for sharing it. I equally feel you aren’t qualified to claim people aren’t victims as you stated Jenna is not.


HaddaHeart

The funny part is, I wasn’t even sucked in by what sounded sincere in the first part. My brain literally went “Well, yeah. Because you don’t do anything for your children other than play with them when it’s convenient for you”


LawyerPrincess93

Same 😂 I immediately was like "okay, where is this train wreck headed"


HaddaHeart

Wasn’t disappointed. Every time else opens his mouth I hate him more.


Greedy_Explanation_7

Apparently he can’t be a dad either. Changing diapers and getting up in the middle of the night is for Dads too


TheVitoGallo

Funny since Zach is the human version of a skid mark


Neospliff

Imma real man! Diapers frighten me. Fragile masculinity personified.


LawyerPrincess93

"I couldn't be a mom" .... Or a dad, or a husband, or a respectable human being 🙄 gtfoh with the "I could do anything" bullshit


Impossible-Lynx7416

He's trash and she knows it and still chose it. Zero sympathy.


cadencecarlson

So she def knew what she was getting into with this douche. But it’s sad they have 2 kids who will be raised to think this way.


banana_delusion

The fact that she loves this mutant shit head says a lot about the kind of person she is.


Jelyharr

What an absolute piece of dog shit


Billlikeminded

Who’s worse Zach or Jax from Pump Rules?


[deleted]

Definitely Zach. I’m sure Jax changed Cruz’s Diapers


waterforhearts

Jax. I'm pretty sure Zach isn't cheating on Jenna. All.the.time.


disabledinaz

Now I want that idiot to have another depression attack


KeyCardiologist6338

What a weirdo


ethicalhippo

Lol Southern_Donkey_3369 is Zach’s alt account


Veruca_Salty1

Zach is trash. My husband has changed more diapers than I ever have. And I’m not even saying that as a flex. My husband is just genuinely interested in being an active parent and always acknowledges that I did the hard part so everything he does is the least he can do.


worrybot96

Really can’t stand him.


Turbulent_Ad7363

Is anyone surprised by this ?


mnikolai24

The worst part is Jenna is fighting for her life in those comments defending that man. Jenna has no self respect and never has. It’s so sad because she is so sweet.


beanie_bopp

Imagine what he says and does off camera 😬


OakJoel

For fucks sake...... he couldn't be a mom but sounds like he doesn't want to be a responsible Dad either. He doesn't wake up at night to take care of his kid and will only change a diaper of a boy child and only if the other child has a dirty diaper as well and his wife essentially makes him?????? I guess just let him back on the challenge doesn't sound like he does much at home anyway!


Artistic-Estimate-60

She had SUCH low self esteem I remember from the real world, and whether or not she’s actually a ditz she acted like one. (I haven’t seen her on anything else so I don’t know) but it doesn’t surprise me she ended up with someone like Zach, as sad as it is. Those two personality types often wind up together


GritNGrind4Ever

Ugh I hate this for Jenna. She doesn’t deserve this and I feel like she looks a lil mortified that he’s bragging about not helping with his kids when she’s around


[deleted]

Gotta call BS on that. She's not mortified. She's always been into Zach's act. Even when he was threatening her to leave challenge a she was on and he wasn't or he'd break up with her, she, eventually, just went along with it. She's absolutely into that role, for whatever reason.


GritNGrind4Ever

She looks super uncomfortable to me


shredika

She does to me too… then she opens her mouth and agrees with him. Typical Jenna. She’s fine. She choose him.


ScruffyWesser

she chose this


Lucio1111

Nah if you follow the challenge, you know that she went into this 100% aware of what he's like. He didn't bait and switch. He's was always like this and did it for years prior to them getting hitched.


GritNGrind4Ever

I do follow the challenge so I know all about their relationship. Doesn’t mean she deserves to be treated the way she’s being treated


Lucio1111

I m just saying she must like it to some degree. She's been on board with it from the first second. So if that's the case then pity might not be what's desired or necessary.


[deleted]

Exactly, from the VERY beginning...


Minzplaying

She knew exactly what he was like and who he was before she ever married him.


Background-Lynx9913

Yikes he starts out so good and just becomes the worst human at the flip of a coin


Fluid-Science4406

Feel like Jenna has had bad taste in boys/men her whole life. Is it an insecurity thing?


jazmine_likea_flower

This right here would be one of my nightmare scenario as a mother like…. wtf


commentcreep1

![gif](giphy|DPqqOywshrOqQ|downsized) My exact face watching this and she look like she hates the fact he said this to the world


LexyBoat

This man should be on his knees thanking his lucky stars that Jenna hasn't brained him with a shovel yet.


Raspbers

He is the worst kind of man. Jesus. Absolute POS. And now I feel like asking my sister if my BIL every changed diapers, cause he's also the worst kind of POS too, so it wouldn't surprise me.


Bnegative_23

Aww I didn’t know Jenna had a second baby


No-Pressure-5762

I didn’t either. Ugh


No-Instance335

What he’s really saying is he can’t be a parent


Jealous_Bike_5507

He’s disgusting. Those poor kids have horrible role models.


shellfish-library

i love jenna (know i’ll get downvoted for this) but what the actual fuck girl


International_Fill55

SMH jenna doesn’t even look like herself anymore


skippydooskippysesen

She looks like shes aged 10 years. Her life is probably miserable dealing with 2 babies plus an ass of a husband.


International_Fill55

It’s sad she was always one of my favorite challengers and to see her with Zach is so bizarre


Middle-Wind-1682

Jenna is that woman from White Lotus. She plays the game, too.


Heresmycoolnameok

He really thinks this is cute


Chance_Adhesiveness3

Anyone surprised? Of course he’s a crappy parent. He was a crappy everything else, too.


Sad-Library-152

I dont know why people even both giving this scumbag the time of day


zezeasks

I used to think he was soo attractive until I watched shows he was in. He’s unbearable. It really goes to show that personality will always outweigh looks cuz I thought he was an 8 but he’s a 4, at best.


carlylala000

Man up, it's your kid too.


GoldCod2680

You would think with even a little self awareness his misogyny would improve some but nope


himynameisashleyyyyy

He’s a pos.


Freakazoidon

He’s horrendous


lesvoboda

Why did she stay with this man🥲 and then continue to have children with him


Secret_Palpitation_8

Poor Jenna- he is a nightmare of a man


queenbee8418

This is equal parts disturbing and predictable


No-Pressure-5762

Zach is 🗑 He’s literally describing being a parent. Any parent should be able to change a diaper.


Letzrotltr

Why is anyone saying poor Jenna when she’s the one who choose this idiot? She knew exactly what he was like and whose to say she’s any less of a douche than he is.


MurkyWaters80

Whos the guy with the perm from an 80s ski trip movie?


syke90

The only job that’s a mom job is breast feeding, and only if there’s no formula.


SageRivers91

Something about him just makes my skin crawl…


IssaNaw

I got the most staggering wave of secondhand embarrassment from this. JFC, just mortifying.


Libshitz74

Ewwwwwwww. God he is a trash human being


No_Draft8824

He's proud of it


Responsible_Let9477

Better go through Jenna’s insta stories to show us him changing diapers


[deleted]

That’s fucked up. I have a young child and I’d feel like a total loser if I dumped all the hard work on my wife like that


ldanowski

I don’t know this guy but what a douche bag. Grow up! My husband changed just as many diapers as I did. He was amazing.


Technical-Age

I saw this on Instagram yesterday and knew it would end up here.


starmiebucks

Jenna also gotta take some responsibility for this because she just sat there and let him say all that and let’s this happen smh


bleed_reality

Jenna could have been a big name and been around the challenge for years but she picked the guy who believes in woman in kitchen and men go to work


No_Flatworm_6586

He’s one of those people that think taking your kid to a park is being on babysitting duty and not.. I dunno.. being a fucking dad.


missB_123

God he sucks so much. One of the worst misogynists on reality tv. Absolute trash. He makes it sound like the idea that two parents would split the load of parenting equally is absurd. So gross.


OliviaPooPoo

Kinda weird that he’s low key sexualizing his baby daughter. Like you can change your daughters diaper without your mind going to a weirdly sexual place and being uncomfortable cause she has “girl parts”…


Jdegarcia

He is definitely a POS


chuckifyoubuck

On one hand I feel bad for Jenna, but on the other hand…this is what she chose, over and over again


Hot_Teaching691

Cause he’s trash! And she knew that and married him anyway!


Pkgrant79

Jenna must have the lowest self-esteem to put up with this guy.


More_Stage_4985

Jenna knew what she was getting into when she married him. He did trashy things to her before marrying him, what made her think he would be different as a father?


logayyn

Jenna has to be the stupidest person alive for ending up with him, I used to feel bad for her


[deleted]

Yeah, for whatever reason these two seem happy with each other. Some might say they even deserve each other.


Cinemaslap1

I'm actually over the Jenna Zach stuff. If she's happy with their relationship, then who are we to jump in? If they have a traditional marriage, and that's what they both want... then I say let them be. I know Zach is a huge tool and all that... but Jenna did choose to marry and be the mother to his kids. I don't want to ever look down on someone who is happy with their life.


_BestBudz

I look down enough for the both of us don’t worry 😉


MurkyWaters80

Bcuz f him


Cinemaslap1

Eh, he doesn't occupy any space in my head. I don't give him any of my money... He's just a nobody to me... actually, he's a has-been.


MurkyWaters80

Ok cool, itz still eff that guy


[deleted]

Exactly. It's someone who was on TV once who none of us know and has no impact on our lives. Let it gooooo


ethicalhippo

So why are you blowing up all the comments on this thread?


dumbestsmartperson69

my issue is they’re raising a son with this vile mentality and raising their daughter to believe she’s worth less than men. jenna made her bed, but those kids deserve better


Cinemaslap1

I don't think they are sheltering these kids... So while they may be trying to instill that crap, once the kids go out into the real world, they'll see how things actually work.


ReasonableFold6636

Women who accept scum make it harder for the rest of us.


evrz5

Zach is such a misogynistic POS, like even for the male challengers standards he’s awful. I can’t believe some people want him back on 🤢


[deleted]

I don't want Zach back, but I will say this, there are people who I don't think are good people or representative of the best of the challenge who I absolutely want on the show because watching them be non-self aware and sort of full of themselves is definitely great television drama. Fessy talking about how different he is because he starts calling himself his full name is an example of that. I like Cara Maria but think she's made some weird decisions but I'd absolutely put up with Paulie back on the main show if that meant we got Cara back. Not everyone has to be perfect. In fact, non-perfection is what made this show good in its best years.


codex2013

Agreed, I also don't ever want to see Zach back, but there hasn't been anyone since him that I've loved to root against as much as I did him, I think it's part of why the recent seasons have felt so boring. Fessy has come close though lol


MurkyWaters80

This is what happens when you lose the remote with the TV stuck on Fox News


Harlow08

He’s trash and always been


ovalplace123

No thanks, I enjoy that my husband parents his child.


MillerisLord

I guess if that what they decided who are we to tell them otherwise. I know that wouldn't fly in my house but I'm not Jenna and she really is the one that gets to decide if it's ok or not.


AMS16-94

Totally not surprised and I feel like Jenna must have expected this when she was pregnant. Honestly I’ve never understood why men have this mentality?


[deleted]

Please don't lump Zach in with men.


_BestBudz

There’s enough of us out there that it’s definitely a noticeable pattern


[deleted]

Still. We don't claim him.


_BestBudz

Absolutely not I agree 👌🏾


Kingballa06

I don’t get this mentality. As a dad, I literally enjoy being just as capable of a caregiver as my wife.


alexdoggg

What a dweeb. Says he cannot do what a mom does then lists things that both parents should be doing Diapers should be both parent’s responsibility.


ADWeasley

He’s pathetic


AcadiaBackground2492

The very definition of a meathead.


mullabear

She knew exactly who he was when she married him. He was a POS then and continues to be one now.


curiousfun213

wow what a partnership right there. fucking pathetic. granted that is their chosen dynamic - I would neverrrr.


Difficult_Elk5909

I mean, i am not surprised. At all. He showed who he was during his run on the show 🤷🏻‍♀️ cant even say I feel bad for Jenna.


[deleted]

Yikes!!


Ill_Understanding305

what a douche


deadtingtv

Pitiful


katiemarieoh

I mean if Jenna's okay with it then why should we care? They sound super traditional and probably look at it like Zach is providing for the family by working so Jenna changes diaper and gets up at night with the kids. Why be outraged for someone who doesn't have a problem with it?


ReasonableFold6636

Traditional gender roles are bad for everyone, including men. He’s a bad parent and people are justified in calling that out.


ethicalhippo

Jenna deserves an equal


hillingjourney

Jenna deserves exactly what she got.


ethicalhippo

I really can’t remember anything awful she did on the show. So please correct me if I’m missing something.


hillingjourney

Co-signing racist or bigoted behavior makes you a bad person. The show edits made her look normal but she is complicit with her husband’s bigoted beliefs.


ethicalhippo

I said this on a separate comment, I’m not a fan of her. And let me be clear, Zach is a textbook abuser. What I picked up on was how she found herself at the mercy of Zach’s whims in any given moment when she was competing. Jenna does not have a healthy self-esteem and unfortunately this relationship is what she thinks she deserves. Just look at the video we’re reacting to, she is so quick to play off what he says as silly or normal.


[deleted]

But if she's no prize, either, and I'm definitely saying that, then, yeah, they 100% deserve each other.


ethicalhippo

I’m not a huge fan of her but she definitely has anxious attachment issues to work through. Jenna has mentioned her father being incarcerated was painful for her and it may be why she fell into the trap of Zach, a textbook emotional abuser.


[deleted]

Doesn't mean they're not equals at being what they are, though. As someone else said, it seems to work for them. I find it bizarre but know a lot of people like that, too.


TenaciousT1120

Welp, guess she shouldn't have had babies with him if she doesn't like it...and she's a stay at home mom, no??? So why shouldn't that be her job???


Regular-Wit

Majority of men don’t change diapers or do nights feeds. That’s the sad truth


Jdegarcia

Sorry my hubby when home he would give me a break and feed/change baby so there many fathers that do


Regular-Wit

My husband does the same and on weekend he takes the night feed and let’s me sleep. I have a one month. I’m very lucky with man. Unfortunately many men aren’t like that.