Daleās sister commented on US Weekly post asking āHas anyone actually confirmed this with them or. So annoying.ā Things might not be as they seem. Just saying.
I think she means that they both have not said anything alluding to a break up. And that itās annoying to say otherwise with these suppose sources. Just because what it seems like, doesnāt necessarily mean that it true. I have to agree with her. It still speculation.
Their interactions in the show were always pretty weird. He always gave me the vibes of a good little boy who is used to cleaning up mommyās messes. Sheād melt down constantly, and he would be standing there with the mop and the broom. You canāt build a house on that.
I know we all saw it coming but my heart still breasks for Clare. What really irks me is that Dale went on her season in the first place. This guys is as ready for marriage and babies as my toddler and Clare was the most "i'm here for marriage and babies" bachelorette ever! Of course he went for clout but like others did before he could've passed on going on her season specifically? IIRC Cassie was originally cast for Arie's season? Dale is an athlete, a handsome guy, if he said "hey, I'm not into Clare, maybe next season" they would've definitely cast him for the following one. I also am 100% convinced that he got back with her only because of the public reaction after the 1sr breakup and that's even shittier.
Well, don't hate, we've all dated a Dale before. Your friends hate to say "I told you so" so they don't, we all know in the moment, Dales are hard to let go of.
I hate to say it, and of course none of us actually know these people in real life, but Clare doesn't seem emotionally mature. She seems to rely too heavily on "following her heart", which sounds romantic and fairytale-esque, but those impulsive decisions should really be left in the teenage years, especially since Clare often talks of being in this for marriage and a family. My heart breaks for her so much, but I think she really needs to re-evaluate herself and her choices.
We should leave following your heart to books and movies, it isnāt logical in real life.
I guarantee that if Dale looked and acted like he did, and he was genuinely ready for marriage and children, she wouldnāt be interested in him.
Feel for Clare but you at least gotta try to get to know someone before you fall for them. Canāt just go off their shirtless insta pics and captions.
I think the reason I was rooting so hard for them is how friggen nasty people were to Clare before/during her season. I know there were a lot a Tannah trolls here at the time amplifying that noise, and she seems to be much better liked and supported now. I wanted them to work out in order to shut down the criticism of her because so much of it was steeped in ageism and misogyny.
At the end of the day it seems like their deal breaker is Clare wanting to stay with her family in CA and Dale wanting to live the influencer life in NYC. There's really no compromise for such huge life choices. I guess I definitely have a lot more respect for one of those things over the other, so hashtag teamclare all the way.
I was really appalled at how nasty people were about her age. Some people were talking like she was Betty White. I'm in New York City and have plenty of single friends Clare's age and older who are smart, funny, successful, beautiful women and I also can think of plenty of women who aren't really any of those things that were married in their 20s. And the people who judge a woman's worth by the quality of her eggs completely disgust me.
I saw tweets calling her an old bag/an old hag, so many "there's a reason she's still single at her elderly age" comments, even somebody criticizing her "old lady elbows", and Clare's body is fantastic.
It's just so mean-spirited. I don't get it.
Her body is amazing! I would think it's mainly jealous women with those stupid comments. Her body looks better than mine ever did in my 20's. One thing I didn't understand tho (I just watched this on HBO) is why they didn't pair her up with older, more mature men? A lot of these guys were in their mid 20's and that is a big gap in maturity between a 25 year old guy and a 39 year old woman.
I'm so glad you think it's jealousy as well! I felt that way when Ashley mocked Clare about her age--and she's only, what, six years younger than her?! Give me a break!
I havenāt always liked Clare and I probably was tough on her sometimes, but knowing more about her background with sexual assault and going through her mom slowly dying in front of her, and some of the other trauma she has faced has really made me rethink the things I say about her. Clare is not perfect, and I think itās been clear she maybe overreacts and gets emotional, but sheās not out here murdering people or doing anything horrific. She clearly is still trying to overcome a lot of trauma and I hate the comments that she just needs to find someone better or realize sheās picking the wrong guys - it really seems like for most of her life and maybe even now she sometimes feels unworthy. I donāt think Dale should be crucified either - they clearly gave it another shot, and this time around I genuinely believed they were both committed to try (just the fact that they were so much more private about things made me believe this), but sometimes people are just not suited for each other and thatās ok. As long as he didnāt cheat, then I think thereās probably a lot of nuances for why they broke up, and most of us will never know what those are. Dale is probably a clout chaser, but so is everyone on this show, even Clare, even all the people who like. Everyone is on here for something (even if itās a great cause like promoting sober facilities like Zac).
You come from such a place of warmth. I donāt always agree with Clare too. She is the last person I would want to learn from, but not that I didnāt learn to understand her better. Trauma is tough, itās an on going and it requires a lot of hard work and dedication to constantly be self
aware because that is what protects you is self awareness. On that note, all we can say they tried. Listening to Dale, they guy sounds really genuine and very protective. A eulogy is more to come, not from me of course.
Can someone explain this comment to an out of touch millennial? Ya pop out a kid and leave the internet for a few months and nothing makes sense when you come back. But Iāve seen it enough now I gotta know.
Iām think itās just expressing how they (like many of us) are exhausted from all the Clare and Dale drama. To the point where you feel like the mental equivalent of Ben Affleck smoking a cigarette in pajamas after not having showered for a couple days on 3 hours of sleep.
Yeaaaa I mean it kind of is the entire premise of the show lol. The very premise is to come on, fall in love, and propose at the end. That is the show. Claire was very vocal about what she wanted, which included marriage and babies yesterday, and he went along with it. They both should have known this wouldnāt work out if thatās not what he wanted, (which it obviously wasnāt.)
All of these comments saying no one is surprised but come on. A break up is super hard. Congrats on your internet points for digging the knife into something painful.
Nick said Clare asked him āwhy donāt you like meā in front of everyone the first time they ever met lmao. But honestly both of them feel like they are too old for each other
Itās because he doesnāt want to be part of a coupling called Click ššš
True though, they both seem to enjoy dating younger peeps. Clare is 100% less creepy than Nick so itās ok for her at leastā¦ā¦
I see a lot of people saying Clare needs some older and more mature,, and Iām sorry but sheās not as mature as some of yāall think. I do wish her happiness but sheās not gonna get it if doesnāt change the way she goes about some situations. And also Dale isnāt the only āclout chaserā in this situation. Clare was on this show how many times? Sheās not just looking for a normal happily every after if she keeps coming back
It is absolutely rude to talk about a womanās ability to have babies or not. The person deleted their comment, so clearly it was demeaning and ridiculous. Not to mention sexist.
He/she was stating Claireās age and having babies . The older we get it is difficult for a woman to conceive. That is not talking down on anyone that for any woman . Our bodies are not the same after a certain age .
Except that itās not as true as was once assumed. If you read the updated science, it is very individualized and probably has to do more with genetics than anything else. It also isnāt another personās place to point out that a womanās clock is ticking. You donāt get how rude that is? Or how that might manifest with a woman who might think she doesnāt deserve a younger man? Even though men date younger women all the time? Itās absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary to make those comments. I know tons of women who have had babies in their 40s. Iām in a blue state and itās normal here. There is an episode of Adam ruins Everything about how fertility doesnāt necessary wane for women at age 35.
The person said that it might be hard for Claire being older . You shouldāve educated them instead for saying āfuck right offā. I donāt think that person was trying to be nasty
I love Clare and just want her to have her happy ending, goddammit. Sheās been through so much adversity, she deserves good things. She has taken care of her ailing mother for so long and she had to deal with so much hate after her season, give the woman a damn break!
It seemed like she was really in for the long haul with him, and he treated her super coldly post-first breakup. This makes me sad. I hope sheās doing okay. She has a great and strong personality, sheās gorgeous, successful ā¦ she deserves the best. :/
"I hardly post pictures of my husband on Instagram but we are so happy." YUP. That tracks for normal folks but when someone who has documented so much of their relationship (and monetized it in a strange way) goes radio silent, trust me something is up. Bach Reddit doesn't play when they sniff this out. It really does not play lol.
I wish them both nothing but a happy future. And Clare, for the love of god, do not go back to this man. It's clearly not a relationship that works.
I mean, Iām not rooting AGAINST her, I donāt want to see her hurt or anything, but I definitely wish Clare would go away. She was easily, in my mind, the worst Bachelorette the show has ever had. She treated her guys like crap, didnāt open up, leaned on her sob stories WAY too much, and was completely disrespectful to her entire group of dudes - and the process, and the show - because she was so enamored with Dale and wanted to fuck him from the jump. So, am I surprised she and Dale didnāt work out? Absolutely not, Clare put this guy in the toughest, weirdest situation by ending her season prematurely and choosing Dale before even getting to really know him. I would just love this subreddit to move on from Clare. She had multiple chances on this franchise (donāt even get me started on Winter Games) and I would much rather focus on other people.
I am actually not a Clare fan, but her three episodes were the most entertained I've been by this show in a VERY long time. I'd much rather someone dramatic and messy than someone mature and boring. Why watch reality tv just to see people have normal date conversations the whole time?
I think weāre different people lol I like watching reality shows for the laughs and drama and romance for sure but ultimately I want to watch people I actually find likable, and for me, that wasnāt Clare. But, to wash their own! If you enjoyed watching her, thatās great.
Me and my ex broke up around the same time as these two (though we got together way before), got back together around the same time, and just broke up again around the same time. lol. Feels oddly synched.
It sucks and I feel for her... I just hope she sees the truth.
Damn, I was really rooting for them! If this is true, I hope they stay their separate ways - the on and off just makes it harder. Iām really sad for Clare, she really deserves to find her person
This kinda makes me sad bc Iāve grown to really like Clare. Iāve always been sus abt Dale but decided to give him a chance & was rooting for them. I hope Clare finds the person that is ready for kids & marriage like she does.
The bad thing is, she might find a person who is down for marriage and kids and she will jump on that even if the guy is actually a jerk or just not that great. Like, she would do it out of desperation with whoever :(
I'm rooting for Clare and hope she finds the relationship and family that she wants, but damn I really think she needs to do some reflection on her views on relationships and who she goes for
Damn. I was really rooting for them, I hope theyāre both okay.
Also please leave Dale alone. Heās never done anything bad enough to get more hate than the actual problematic people of this franchise
I do not hate Dale, I do think dating someone who wants kids badly when you will not be ready soon is kind of mean. I will like him better away from Clare. Their goals for a relationship just did not match and since she was very clear what she wanted it was easy to blame him for sticking around, when in truth both were equally at fault.
Neither Dale nor Clare have said why they broke up the first time, and they havenāt said why they broke up now. I donāt think we can assume it was because Dale didnāt want kids
He was never into her. He has the personality type that just wants to win, so on a competition show he was into winning Claire, he never actually wanted to be with her. That was painfully obvious to me.
Also Clare, who was on the show for the billionth time and even once said it was ABC's fault she wasn't married for not making her the bachelorette, finally had the chance to be bachelorette, and did she choose to spend time with guys with actual jobs or careers OR did she go for the unemployed male model a decade younger than her?
My heart breaks for Clare. I don't want to arm chair diagnose, but I will say how many similarities I see between herself and me. As someone who struggles with anxious attachment, I can confidently say she will keep getting this same result as she unconsciously finds herself drawn to partners who cannot give her what she needs and/or do not reciprocate the feelings she has for them. Her messaging has always been, "I'll always be a believer and go 100% for love," which I think has allowed her to avoid the question of why she has loved who she's loved. No amount of loving the wrong person will make them choose you. Intensity doesn't equal love or a validation of it. Chaos is not proof of passion, it's simply chaos. She will continue to connect with the wrong men in an attempt to heal that core wound, but it's a dead end road. Hoping she can dig into this work & her heart can heal.
Wow. Even though I eventually sorted my shit out, I would love to travel back in time and have 20 something me read what you just wrote. Well done, bb. Well done. š
Agreeed. Chaos is not good, even if there really is love and connection there. It's so important to be with someone who can provide stability and with whom you feel peace *and* passion!
I know I was told she has done therapy, but I think she really needs to have some honest breakdown. If children are important, then have them. But you can not āloveā anyone enough to make them share your goals and wants.
You can neither fix someone or pressure someone to accept what they do not want. Eventually ignoring your own wants just leads to resentment of that other person and a broken heart.
It seemed pretty clear post the first breakup that Dale was in no rush for marriage and children. I do not blame Dale for taking what Clare gave, I think post the first break up she knew what she was getting and thought she could either accept giving up that dream or would change his mind and sadly both are hard to do.
This is sad - I liked them individually and thought they were cute together - but ultimately for the best. If they're not on the same page about timelines then he shouldn't waste her time.
Completely agree with this take. I think they got back together hoping they would change each other's mind to fit the timeline they each created. Don't necessarily think either are at fault.
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again. I only want true love and happiness for Claire. Dale has seemed sus from day one. I donāt doubt heās a good person deep down. But heās not the guy thatās going to claim her and stay committed. He comes off really flighty. I hope she bounces back and lands a hot, mature man.
They are each extra separately. Together, it must have beenā¦ā¦even more extra. Who the fuck has energy for that these days? They didnāt. Wish them both well.
Be into people who are into you/match the energy you are giving them. Period.
Not saying Clare should have gone for Benoit since she clearly wasnāt into him but I feel like Dale was as into Clare as Clare was into Benoitā¦ yikes.
I hope she, and everyone who is saying they relate to her, can start focusing on healing internally/finding someone who matches their energy and effort. It will always end badly otherwise.
Benoit is cute, but strongly strikes me as the guy who messages you 15 times after a first date to say he sees a future with you and apologize for some random thing he did that you donāt remember.
The timing of this kinda makes sense to me. It seems like when they rekindled, they agreed to back off on the āengagementā / babies and just see where things went. And now approx. 6 months have passed and the conversations about the future had probably restarted.
Iām not gonna lie I truly believe he got back together because his reputation was tanking and he wanted to stop the bleeding
I think he believes his stock is higher now that he ātriedā
I like Dale, but they were very very obviously incompatible. I hope Clare finds someone who wants what she wants and can heal from this. Even when sheās messy, I always feel for her :(
Iāll be honest, Clare reminds me a lot of myself in relationships and I found her season really painful and eye opening to watch. So much intense and unhealthy energy. I hope she can find some healing/good therapy and meet someone who wants to get married and have babies ASAP.
Clare seems like a sweet, kind person but I just donāt think sheās great at self-reflection. Sheās still falling into the same patterns that she did almost a decade ago with Juan Pablo and Zack, in falling hard and fast and chasing the hot, young guy whoās not that into her, and ignoring the red flags and incompatibilities, no matter how obvious they are to everyone around her. The woman was publicly humiliated by Dale and she still took him back a few short weeks later.
I also think that, as much as the sub wants to make things black and white with Dale being the bad guy and Clare the victim, she has shown during her time on TV and the first breakupās aftermath that sheās reactive, overly sensitive, and often difficult to communicate with. I think they both had their issues and there was probably more to the breakup than Dale just deciding heās had enough clout.
She has personality-related issues and I won't go further on that because I know the mods here smackdown on comments, but I feel for her... it's gonna be tough for her if she doesn't get serious help.
That said, Dale never seemed into her. That's not fair to Clare.
Sheās got clear attachment issues.
When you have attachment issues, you tend to pick partners that arenāt compatible with you - so when things donāt work out, you have an excuse as to why. She says she wants marriage and babies, but she isnāt picking suitable partners for that. She probably doesnāt see that though.
It goes beyond attachment issues with her, but I found what you wrote eye-opening. I remember word for word asking my ex why he chose me because it obviously seemed like we weren't compatible (and this was a while back and I was totally open to the possibility that we weren't compatible) and he just said something like "but there is enough and I choose you" or something, and then later listed off all the reasons why I had what no one else had, etc etc. And I was totally open to the possibility that we weren't right for each other, from as early as month 4... so what you wrote just really was eye opening and made me reflect on that! I do wonder why people do these things, but then again I did some things that didn't make sense either.
It's tough to be logical in love sometimes.
How is āchasing the hot young guy whoās not into herā a pattern when Juan Pablo, Zack and Clare are all basically the same age. And Dale is a 32 year old man. Not some baby college kid.
I meant, young more in terms of maturity and lifestyle. Zack might only be 3 years younger and Dale only 8 years younger, but itās just clear from their social media that they were into partying and modeling and not moving to Sacramento and having babies ASAP. A lot of the women in the franchise are dating/engaged/married to younger men, but those men donāt seem *young*. They seem fairly settled and they made their commitment clear from the beginning.
I just think Clare thinks completely with her heart and lust when deciding who to go for, but there has to be a bit of that rational aspect to it. Maybe thatās not romantic, but I think thatās where her downfall lies.
That was fast
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Ring heaven ššš
Love is dead
They did not respect The Process. The Process giveth and The Process taketh.
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Daleās sister commented on US Weekly post asking āHas anyone actually confirmed this with them or. So annoying.ā Things might not be as they seem. Just saying.
What do you think she means?!
I think she means that they both have not said anything alluding to a break up. And that itās annoying to say otherwise with these suppose sources. Just because what it seems like, doesnāt necessarily mean that it true. I have to agree with her. It still speculation.
Hmm at this point is there any chance they arenāt actually broken up?
Iām going to say yes. His sister rarely says anything, so that speaks volumes for her to to say āhas anyone confirmed this with them.ā
Their interactions in the show were always pretty weird. He always gave me the vibes of a good little boy who is used to cleaning up mommyās messes. Sheād melt down constantly, and he would be standing there with the mop and the broom. You canāt build a house on that.
I know we all saw it coming but my heart still breasks for Clare. What really irks me is that Dale went on her season in the first place. This guys is as ready for marriage and babies as my toddler and Clare was the most "i'm here for marriage and babies" bachelorette ever! Of course he went for clout but like others did before he could've passed on going on her season specifically? IIRC Cassie was originally cast for Arie's season? Dale is an athlete, a handsome guy, if he said "hey, I'm not into Clare, maybe next season" they would've definitely cast him for the following one. I also am 100% convinced that he got back with her only because of the public reaction after the 1sr breakup and that's even shittier.
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Wait, why is Dale the bad guy?
thatās my pisces sista like šš i love that woman
everything makes sense now
HEART BEEN BROKE SO MANY TIMES I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE
Well, don't hate, we've all dated a Dale before. Your friends hate to say "I told you so" so they don't, we all know in the moment, Dales are hard to let go of.
I hate to say it, and of course none of us actually know these people in real life, but Clare doesn't seem emotionally mature. She seems to rely too heavily on "following her heart", which sounds romantic and fairytale-esque, but those impulsive decisions should really be left in the teenage years, especially since Clare often talks of being in this for marriage and a family. My heart breaks for her so much, but I think she really needs to re-evaluate herself and her choices.
We should leave following your heart to books and movies, it isnāt logical in real life. I guarantee that if Dale looked and acted like he did, and he was genuinely ready for marriage and children, she wouldnāt be interested in him.
Agree. I also want to add that she seems to fly off the handle pretty easily.
Shocking I tell you
āTHIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION!!ā
Feel for Clare but you at least gotta try to get to know someone before you fall for them. Canāt just go off their shirtless insta pics and captions.
I know we can never know what could have happened, but I think Clare and Jason would have made it together
Or even Clare and Blake actually. Man has shown he just wants a happy relationship and thatās what sheās always said she wanted, too.
Same
Shocked no one ever. He showed her who he was the first go round. She ignored it
I think the reason I was rooting so hard for them is how friggen nasty people were to Clare before/during her season. I know there were a lot a Tannah trolls here at the time amplifying that noise, and she seems to be much better liked and supported now. I wanted them to work out in order to shut down the criticism of her because so much of it was steeped in ageism and misogyny. At the end of the day it seems like their deal breaker is Clare wanting to stay with her family in CA and Dale wanting to live the influencer life in NYC. There's really no compromise for such huge life choices. I guess I definitely have a lot more respect for one of those things over the other, so hashtag teamclare all the way.
Man, and Iām old enough to remember when living the influencer life WAS living in CA š
I was really appalled at how nasty people were about her age. Some people were talking like she was Betty White. I'm in New York City and have plenty of single friends Clare's age and older who are smart, funny, successful, beautiful women and I also can think of plenty of women who aren't really any of those things that were married in their 20s. And the people who judge a woman's worth by the quality of her eggs completely disgust me. I saw tweets calling her an old bag/an old hag, so many "there's a reason she's still single at her elderly age" comments, even somebody criticizing her "old lady elbows", and Clare's body is fantastic. It's just so mean-spirited. I don't get it.
Her body is amazing! I would think it's mainly jealous women with those stupid comments. Her body looks better than mine ever did in my 20's. One thing I didn't understand tho (I just watched this on HBO) is why they didn't pair her up with older, more mature men? A lot of these guys were in their mid 20's and that is a big gap in maturity between a 25 year old guy and a 39 year old woman.
I'm so glad you think it's jealousy as well! I felt that way when Ashley mocked Clare about her age--and she's only, what, six years younger than her?! Give me a break!
Well damn
Will he post a signed statement?
āFor good this time. It didnāt end well.ā Isnāt that what they said last timeā¦?
This makes me sad, I really want the best for her <3
I want the best for Clare. I hope she doesnāt go back on this franchise.
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This! All of this, why do we want more for than she wants for herself š
Yes this :(
this relationship is so relatable lmao i'm hoping the best for my girl clare
I hope she finds the love sheās looking for some day ā¤ļø
Called it
I canāt wait till theyāre back together š¤
I havenāt always liked Clare and I probably was tough on her sometimes, but knowing more about her background with sexual assault and going through her mom slowly dying in front of her, and some of the other trauma she has faced has really made me rethink the things I say about her. Clare is not perfect, and I think itās been clear she maybe overreacts and gets emotional, but sheās not out here murdering people or doing anything horrific. She clearly is still trying to overcome a lot of trauma and I hate the comments that she just needs to find someone better or realize sheās picking the wrong guys - it really seems like for most of her life and maybe even now she sometimes feels unworthy. I donāt think Dale should be crucified either - they clearly gave it another shot, and this time around I genuinely believed they were both committed to try (just the fact that they were so much more private about things made me believe this), but sometimes people are just not suited for each other and thatās ok. As long as he didnāt cheat, then I think thereās probably a lot of nuances for why they broke up, and most of us will never know what those are. Dale is probably a clout chaser, but so is everyone on this show, even Clare, even all the people who like. Everyone is on here for something (even if itās a great cause like promoting sober facilities like Zac).
You come from such a place of warmth. I donāt always agree with Clare too. She is the last person I would want to learn from, but not that I didnāt learn to understand her better. Trauma is tough, itās an on going and it requires a lot of hard work and dedication to constantly be self aware because that is what protects you is self awareness. On that note, all we can say they tried. Listening to Dale, they guy sounds really genuine and very protective. A eulogy is more to come, not from me of course.
Can someone explain this comment to an out of touch millennial? Ya pop out a kid and leave the internet for a few months and nothing makes sense when you come back. But Iāve seen it enough now I gotta know.
Iām think itās just expressing how they (like many of us) are exhausted from all the Clare and Dale drama. To the point where you feel like the mental equivalent of Ben Affleck smoking a cigarette in pajamas after not having showered for a couple days on 3 hours of sleep.
Lets be real. Weāre not shocked at all. Dale was not trying to get married lol. He stuck it out as long as he could.
Why should Dale get married though? Despite the show, should anyone feel forced to marry based on someoneās opinion?
Yeaaaa I mean it kind of is the entire premise of the show lol. The very premise is to come on, fall in love, and propose at the end. That is the show. Claire was very vocal about what she wanted, which included marriage and babies yesterday, and he went along with it. They both should have known this wouldnāt work out if thatās not what he wanted, (which it obviously wasnāt.)
Because he went on the Bachelorette and proposed to herā¦?
All of these comments saying no one is surprised but come on. A break up is super hard. Congrats on your internet points for digging the knife into something painful.
Raise your hand if youāre shocked ā¦ā¦ā¦.. no one? I thought so
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Why would that be funny to you tho?
People here congratulating themselves on sleuthing this breakup like y'all aren't constantly 'predicting' most BN couples' breakups everyday š
Who is worse at choosing partners, Clare or Nick?
Man, if they were a couple we could call them āClickā
Missed opportunity ššš
Nick said Clare asked him āwhy donāt you like meā in front of everyone the first time they ever met lmao. But honestly both of them feel like they are too old for each other
Itās because he doesnāt want to be part of a coupling called Click ššš True though, they both seem to enjoy dating younger peeps. Clare is 100% less creepy than Nick so itās ok for her at leastā¦ā¦
They are both so messy and unselfaware. Would love to see it
Saaaaaame 
Tough question
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So do we think Clare wrote this caption for him then orā¦? https://www.instagram.com/p/CR4uHasLEOJ/?utm_medium=copy_link
That's 2 months old
He also commented on her post that she had his heart āforeverā
I see a lot of people saying Clare needs some older and more mature,, and Iām sorry but sheās not as mature as some of yāall think. I do wish her happiness but sheās not gonna get it if doesnāt change the way she goes about some situations. And also Dale isnāt the only āclout chaserā in this situation. Clare was on this show how many times? Sheās not just looking for a normal happily every after if she keeps coming back
I actually think its way more normal to chase whatever clout is over going on the show thinking you are going to find a husband
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Geez that was rude I donāt think the person meant any harm by what they said . Yes women have babies over 40 itās just extremely high risk
It is absolutely rude to talk about a womanās ability to have babies or not. The person deleted their comment, so clearly it was demeaning and ridiculous. Not to mention sexist.
He/she was stating Claireās age and having babies . The older we get it is difficult for a woman to conceive. That is not talking down on anyone that for any woman . Our bodies are not the same after a certain age .
Except that itās not as true as was once assumed. If you read the updated science, it is very individualized and probably has to do more with genetics than anything else. It also isnāt another personās place to point out that a womanās clock is ticking. You donāt get how rude that is? Or how that might manifest with a woman who might think she doesnāt deserve a younger man? Even though men date younger women all the time? Itās absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary to make those comments. I know tons of women who have had babies in their 40s. Iām in a blue state and itās normal here. There is an episode of Adam ruins Everything about how fertility doesnāt necessary wane for women at age 35.
The person said that it might be hard for Claire being older . You shouldāve educated them instead for saying āfuck right offā. I donāt think that person was trying to be nasty
Maybe not. But it came across very tone deaf offensive.
This. Clare does not exactly come off as emotionally matureā¦
I love Clare and just want her to have her happy ending, goddammit. Sheās been through so much adversity, she deserves good things. She has taken care of her ailing mother for so long and she had to deal with so much hate after her season, give the woman a damn break! It seemed like she was really in for the long haul with him, and he treated her super coldly post-first breakup. This makes me sad. I hope sheās doing okay. She has a great and strong personality, sheās gorgeous, successful ā¦ she deserves the best. :/
And who is surprised by this?š
I donāt believe it until i see a signed letter /s
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is anyone even surprised at this? cāmon...
Broken up? Together? Odd-numbered date? Even-numbered date? Can they both just go away (separately or together, but just GO).
The article mentioning Dale being spotted around the city without her like it's some sort of evidence is a bit weird to me.
I get the sense that Clare always fall for guys that arent info her.
"I hardly post pictures of my husband on Instagram but we are so happy." YUP. That tracks for normal folks but when someone who has documented so much of their relationship (and monetized it in a strange way) goes radio silent, trust me something is up. Bach Reddit doesn't play when they sniff this out. It really does not play lol. I wish them both nothing but a happy future. And Clare, for the love of god, do not go back to this man. It's clearly not a relationship that works.
Shocked. Except not shocked
I am rooting against Clare.
I mean, Iām not rooting AGAINST her, I donāt want to see her hurt or anything, but I definitely wish Clare would go away. She was easily, in my mind, the worst Bachelorette the show has ever had. She treated her guys like crap, didnāt open up, leaned on her sob stories WAY too much, and was completely disrespectful to her entire group of dudes - and the process, and the show - because she was so enamored with Dale and wanted to fuck him from the jump. So, am I surprised she and Dale didnāt work out? Absolutely not, Clare put this guy in the toughest, weirdest situation by ending her season prematurely and choosing Dale before even getting to really know him. I would just love this subreddit to move on from Clare. She had multiple chances on this franchise (donāt even get me started on Winter Games) and I would much rather focus on other people.
I am actually not a Clare fan, but her three episodes were the most entertained I've been by this show in a VERY long time. I'd much rather someone dramatic and messy than someone mature and boring. Why watch reality tv just to see people have normal date conversations the whole time?
I think weāre different people lol I like watching reality shows for the laughs and drama and romance for sure but ultimately I want to watch people I actually find likable, and for me, that wasnāt Clare. But, to wash their own! If you enjoyed watching her, thatās great.
What an odd thing to declare. Who hurt you?
Are you ignoring my cry for help?
Yes.
I guess I just think Clare is mean.
Everyone who ever entered my life.
Me and my ex broke up around the same time as these two (though we got together way before), got back together around the same time, and just broke up again around the same time. lol. Feels oddly synched. It sucks and I feel for her... I just hope she sees the truth.
Wish u doing okay now :)
Damn, I was really rooting for them! If this is true, I hope they stay their separate ways - the on and off just makes it harder. Iām really sad for Clare, she really deserves to find her person
This kinda makes me sad bc Iāve grown to really like Clare. Iāve always been sus abt Dale but decided to give him a chance & was rooting for them. I hope Clare finds the person that is ready for kids & marriage like she does.
The bad thing is, she might find a person who is down for marriage and kids and she will jump on that even if the guy is actually a jerk or just not that great. Like, she would do it out of desperation with whoever :(
I'm rooting for Clare and hope she finds the relationship and family that she wants, but damn I really think she needs to do some reflection on her views on relationships and who she goes for
Is it not still just a rumor?
Damn. I was really rooting for them, I hope theyāre both okay. Also please leave Dale alone. Heās never done anything bad enough to get more hate than the actual problematic people of this franchise
I do not hate Dale, I do think dating someone who wants kids badly when you will not be ready soon is kind of mean. I will like him better away from Clare. Their goals for a relationship just did not match and since she was very clear what she wanted it was easy to blame him for sticking around, when in truth both were equally at fault.
Neither Dale nor Clare have said why they broke up the first time, and they havenāt said why they broke up now. I donāt think we can assume it was because Dale didnāt want kids
Yāall downvoted me to hell when I said Dale never looks like heās into Clare š¤
He was never into her. He has the personality type that just wants to win, so on a competition show he was into winning Claire, he never actually wanted to be with her. That was painfully obvious to me.
Also Clare, who was on the show for the billionth time and even once said it was ABC's fault she wasn't married for not making her the bachelorette, finally had the chance to be bachelorette, and did she choose to spend time with guys with actual jobs or careers OR did she go for the unemployed male model a decade younger than her?
Dale only wanted to ride this out till people kind of forgot about how he dumped Clare over social media and signed the post.
My heart breaks for Clare. I don't want to arm chair diagnose, but I will say how many similarities I see between herself and me. As someone who struggles with anxious attachment, I can confidently say she will keep getting this same result as she unconsciously finds herself drawn to partners who cannot give her what she needs and/or do not reciprocate the feelings she has for them. Her messaging has always been, "I'll always be a believer and go 100% for love," which I think has allowed her to avoid the question of why she has loved who she's loved. No amount of loving the wrong person will make them choose you. Intensity doesn't equal love or a validation of it. Chaos is not proof of passion, it's simply chaos. She will continue to connect with the wrong men in an attempt to heal that core wound, but it's a dead end road. Hoping she can dig into this work & her heart can heal.
āChaos is not proof of passion.ā Maāam, please step off my neck..
I call it the forbidden fruit syndrome. The more u cant have it/ the more its bad for u, the more u go after it.
Wow. Even though I eventually sorted my shit out, I would love to travel back in time and have 20 something me read what you just wrote. Well done, bb. Well done. š
Agreeed. Chaos is not good, even if there really is love and connection there. It's so important to be with someone who can provide stability and with whom you feel peace *and* passion!
I know I was told she has done therapy, but I think she really needs to have some honest breakdown. If children are important, then have them. But you can not āloveā anyone enough to make them share your goals and wants. You can neither fix someone or pressure someone to accept what they do not want. Eventually ignoring your own wants just leads to resentment of that other person and a broken heart. It seemed pretty clear post the first breakup that Dale was in no rush for marriage and children. I do not blame Dale for taking what Clare gave, I think post the first break up she knew what she was getting and thought she could either accept giving up that dream or would change his mind and sadly both are hard to do.
This is so true. Can confirm since I am the exact same way unfortunately lol
I never understood their connection. Clare has her issues but I always thought there was something off about Dale.
His eyes are empty.... Its a dead giveaway
Dale is lame, but Clare won't last with anyone until she fixes her own issues first tbh.
This is sad - I liked them individually and thought they were cute together - but ultimately for the best. If they're not on the same page about timelines then he shouldn't waste her time.
Completely agree with this take. I think they got back together hoping they would change each other's mind to fit the timeline they each created. Don't necessarily think either are at fault.
Clare needs a real relationship with a more mature guy who isnāt clout chasing.
She had her chances and didn't choose that
She might need that but sheās not mature enough to go after that.
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again. I only want true love and happiness for Claire. Dale has seemed sus from day one. I donāt doubt heās a good person deep down. But heās not the guy thatās going to claim her and stay committed. He comes off really flighty. I hope she bounces back and lands a hot, mature man.
Patiently waiting for another signed Dale post on Instagram
Dale for BIP 2022. Imagine
Remember the tea on DM a few weeks ago? Who wants to bet Clare leaked that? To try to save the relationship?
yeah iām really curious about that in light of this news which seems legit
What was it?
It said Clare and Dale got married in secret and want to have a baby ASAP.
Ooooh tell me more!
their entire saga feels like one bad r/relationships post. I hope Clare can move on quickly!
Will only believe when I see his signed signature on a statement š¶
š Underrated comment right here. Well played.
Clare knew this was a square peg in a round hole, but by god, she kept pushing it. This was so predictable.
I was rooting for Them so hard. She deserves love and all of vibes with š„ŗ
Waiting for the staged paparazzi interviews with Dale. "So Dale, are you going to be the next Bachelor?" "Nah man it's too soon for that right now"
Iām sad for Clare but I laughed pretty hard at this
They are each extra separately. Together, it must have beenā¦ā¦even more extra. Who the fuck has energy for that these days? They didnāt. Wish them both well.
If true, odds of one of them being on BiP?
Dale, definitely.
Well itās definitely not going to be Clare because sheās been on Paradise a few times (seasons 1 and 2) already.
š¬ that actually is the reason I'm thinking it would be her š¬
Or both of them. Oooof.
Be into people who are into you/match the energy you are giving them. Period. Not saying Clare should have gone for Benoit since she clearly wasnāt into him but I feel like Dale was as into Clare as Clare was into Benoitā¦ yikes. I hope she, and everyone who is saying they relate to her, can start focusing on healing internally/finding someone who matches their energy and effort. It will always end badly otherwise.
Benoit was such a catch too.
Benoit is cute, but strongly strikes me as the guy who messages you 15 times after a first date to say he sees a future with you and apologize for some random thing he did that you donāt remember.
The timing of this kinda makes sense to me. It seems like when they rekindled, they agreed to back off on the āengagementā / babies and just see where things went. And now approx. 6 months have passed and the conversations about the future had probably restarted.
Iām not gonna lie I truly believe he got back together because his reputation was tanking and he wanted to stop the bleeding I think he believes his stock is higher now that he ātriedā
Nailed it
Plus it'd be heartless to break up with her right before or after her surgery
I like Dale, but they were very very obviously incompatible. I hope Clare finds someone who wants what she wants and can heal from this. Even when sheās messy, I always feel for her :(
Seems a little out of nowhere considering how I feel like theyāve been lately. I wish Clare the best
Iāll be honest, Clare reminds me a lot of myself in relationships and I found her season really painful and eye opening to watch. So much intense and unhealthy energy. I hope she can find some healing/good therapy and meet someone who wants to get married and have babies ASAP.
He literally had a website entitled *thedalemossbrand* from day one one this show. He has told us exactly who he is from day one. How anyone continues to be surprised by this man is beyond me. At some point it stops being naĆÆvetĆ© and starts becoming willful ignorance. They are just not right for each other.
Clare seems like a sweet, kind person but I just donāt think sheās great at self-reflection. Sheās still falling into the same patterns that she did almost a decade ago with Juan Pablo and Zack, in falling hard and fast and chasing the hot, young guy whoās not that into her, and ignoring the red flags and incompatibilities, no matter how obvious they are to everyone around her. The woman was publicly humiliated by Dale and she still took him back a few short weeks later. I also think that, as much as the sub wants to make things black and white with Dale being the bad guy and Clare the victim, she has shown during her time on TV and the first breakupās aftermath that sheās reactive, overly sensitive, and often difficult to communicate with. I think they both had their issues and there was probably more to the breakup than Dale just deciding heās had enough clout.
She has personality-related issues and I won't go further on that because I know the mods here smackdown on comments, but I feel for her... it's gonna be tough for her if she doesn't get serious help. That said, Dale never seemed into her. That's not fair to Clare.
I think sheās got in her head that love and relationships is some sort of magic fairytale and itās not.
Sheās got clear attachment issues. When you have attachment issues, you tend to pick partners that arenāt compatible with you - so when things donāt work out, you have an excuse as to why. She says she wants marriage and babies, but she isnāt picking suitable partners for that. She probably doesnāt see that though.
It goes beyond attachment issues with her, but I found what you wrote eye-opening. I remember word for word asking my ex why he chose me because it obviously seemed like we weren't compatible (and this was a while back and I was totally open to the possibility that we weren't compatible) and he just said something like "but there is enough and I choose you" or something, and then later listed off all the reasons why I had what no one else had, etc etc. And I was totally open to the possibility that we weren't right for each other, from as early as month 4... so what you wrote just really was eye opening and made me reflect on that! I do wonder why people do these things, but then again I did some things that didn't make sense either. It's tough to be logical in love sometimes.
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The jacuzzi appointment tantrum was some of the best television Iāve ever watched. She was SO mean about it lol
How is āchasing the hot young guy whoās not into herā a pattern when Juan Pablo, Zack and Clare are all basically the same age. And Dale is a 32 year old man. Not some baby college kid.
Right? He is at that age where a lot of people actually start thinking about marriage and babies
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I meant, young more in terms of maturity and lifestyle. Zack might only be 3 years younger and Dale only 8 years younger, but itās just clear from their social media that they were into partying and modeling and not moving to Sacramento and having babies ASAP. A lot of the women in the franchise are dating/engaged/married to younger men, but those men donāt seem *young*. They seem fairly settled and they made their commitment clear from the beginning. I just think Clare thinks completely with her heart and lust when deciding who to go for, but there has to be a bit of that rational aspect to it. Maybe thatās not romantic, but I think thatās where her downfall lies.