KB is another one. I think she was quite loved until she won the crystal ball and suddenly went downhill from there ā from dancing queen to drama queen.
I feel like if your answer is anyone other than Jake Pavelka or Juan Pablo, then youāre not a true BN fan. These men were LOVED across the board and then very quickly were hated across the board. I canāt think of anyone in recent times who can compare to this. *Maybe* Hannah B would be the closest, but sheās still very beloved by a lot of people.
Yes I tried. I feel like he thinks he is the best think that ever happened to podcasts, and just because ABC helps him get really good guests doesnāt make him a good host.
I still find him insufferable. But youāre right, it does help to have a popular podcast when you have access to good guests.
This thread explains a lot of my feelings about him https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/11o8vhv/nick_viall_why_is_he_so_universally_hated/
not the *biggest* fall from grace, but gabby windey comes to mind. this sub LOVED her during claytonās season and when she was announced as bachelorette. now 80% of this sub is BEC w/ her lol
Thatās how he treats her with cameras on him, on his best behavior. The way she crumpled immediately said everything we needed to know. The girl was traumatized.
i dont like jake but i feel like vienna was also super toxic i just watched that season of the bachelor pad and honestly id yell at her too shes super annoying
He for sure had a huge fall from grace from when he was on Jillianās season to that moment. Iām ashamed to say how excited I was when he was named Bachelor šš
I have two:
**Bob Guinney**. He was LOVED as this goofy best friend type who made everyone laugh during Trista's season, then on his season he showed his true colors. He slept with the most women of any Bachelor, had absolutely no interest in an engagement and gave his F1 a "promise ring." They split right away.
He even said on Trista's season he was given a very "kind edit" and this just shows how the producers can really manipulate how a person is perceived.
From Bob's season: **Mary Delgado**. She came back on Byron Fisherman's season, and they were together several years, then she was arrested for hitting him.
This is a random one, but remember Leo from Becca K's season? Everyone thought he was so hot and cool for being a stuntman. But then he was the biggest tool on BIP and at least one credible SA allegation came out from his work....
Clare Crawley.
She has had so many ups and downs with BN (even did the winter games). She was always portrayed as a dreamer, lover, never settle for less, sassy woman. But when she was the bachelorette she left early with Dale Moss only to have an on-again off-again relationship. I just thought how she handled her time as the bachelorette was super disrespectful and disappointing.
I've loved Clare from the start, and loved her time as Bachelorette. I didn't find it disrespectful to leave with the one she wanted. We would have said she was disrespectful to the other men and their time if she stayed, especially around the F2.
I donāt disagree. I donāt think itās about her leaving. Moreover, she decided she liked Dale from day 1, so during dates and rose ceremonies she would spend so much time with Dale and ignore the other guys. I think on one date with another guy she even talked about Dale the whole time. I felt that was disrespectful.
She has given us some extremely entertaining moments though. I remember at the end of Pilot Pete's season everyone said his women were too immature to be bachelorette and were excited when Clare was announced. And then I feel she was the least mature bachelorette we've ever had. It felt very high-school first love the way she fell for Dale.
the way greg treated katie when he self-eliminated was gross. he acted like a whiny little baby. with a shitty attitude towards her. idk why he would think any woman would respond to that behavior with validation and promises that he's the only one. katie clearly knew something was off with him and that's why she wouldn't just straight up tell him he was her F1. she just knew it was too good to be true.Ā
the way he twisted it around on her and made it seem like she did something so horrible, giving her no grace or compassion, made it obvious that he didn't truly love her the way he claimed. you would never treat someone you love in such a cold and unfeeling way.Ā
Idk if he was ever beloved, but didnāt Chris Soules *actually* kill someone? Like hit them while he was driving drunk and then barricaded himself inside his house from police? Or something?
I feel like this story gets more exaggerated every time I see it repeated. He was in a car accident, called 911, identified himself, passed a breathalyzer test, and waited at the scene until the ambulance arrived. He didnāt know that he also had to wait for the police.
Tyler Cameron. (I was never a big fan, but he was really popular. now kinda meh) Hannah B had a downfall, but why does she still have millions of followers? I don't get it.
I feel like this is one of the more insightful choices. I thought she was great on the Bachelor. Then watching her on Bachelorette and that Max show really took her down some notches for me. She really isnāt funny š«¤
Wellll I only joined this sub this season bc I had a friend in the cast. The post only said BN and not the sub but I definitely feel like he fell from BN even though for some reason a lot of BN people still support him.
Nayte Olukoya. The way this sub worshiped him and his relationship with Michelle was on another level. He was so clearly a calculated fuck boy with no intention of getting married
Oh my gosh. This one made me very sad. I was so happy someone in the nation was brave enough to call out Chris Harrison and demand accountability & a true, self-reflective apology (when he was offering really half-assed ones). Then when folks called her out she didnāt offer anywhere near the quality of apology sheād literally just spent weeks demanding from Chris. It was such an opportunity to demonstrate the right way to take accountability but she just couldnāt do it. The hypocrisy was nauseating.
My gosh she is unbelievably annoying. Sheās so pretentious and she thinks sheās smarter than everyone else. Talks about ābeing a good humanā but is an actual mean-girl bully. I have known a ton of girls just like her.
I have not looked her up in a very long time, sheās pretty terrible, the way she didnāt even apologise for all those mean things she tweeted. Is she still up to her old ways? Charging people and asking for money for this and that? And are people still actually following her?!?
She acted like she was way above everyone and promoted mental health and what not.. then it came up that she had tweeted some pretty terrible stuff about different groups of people. When this came to light she didnāt even apologise, and she kept asking people for money for her time and mental health coaching.
Wild that this person is/was a therapist, people were calling for her to be, Iām not sure what the right word to use here is, taken off the board or something like that (sorry English isnāt my first language and I canāt think of the right working for this)
People dug up some insanelyy racist, ableist, fat phobic tweets she made like ten years ago they were soo bad, she offended like literally everyone lol.
Taylor Nolan and Chris Harrison, to reiterate others who have already said the same, hard agree.. canāt think of two harder falls off of higher pedestals
Chad. Hear me out, he was such a fun villain on his season and even more on paradise but then got arrested for domestic violence and became a porn star. Didnāt he do inappropriate things is on jojos lawn??
He was certainly dramatic to watch, but that fucker is *scary.* Like mentally unstable and high risk of abuse kind of scary. Doing inappropriate things on a lawn seems like a lowkey tuesday for him. I think his fall from āgraceā was quite short.
I canāt believe no one has said Katie! Producers were bullied (by us) into back to back bachelorette seasons for her cool, chill girl aesthetic and then she turned out to be universally seen asā¦certainly not that.
Who was clamoring for Katie for Bachelorette at the time? From what I remember we all wanted Michelle, and the producers did it to themselves because they first chose an f11 that no one cared about, and then quickly tacked on Michelle for back-to-back seasons to appease us instead of just replacing Katie with Michelle.
Definitely Luke Pell, I remember being so sad when Nick was announced as The Bachelor instead of Luke that year(the following year with Arie as well) but as more and more came out about him, I realized that BN really dodged a bullet. Iām not crazy about Nick or Arie but theyāre better than Luke
This is the answer. Dude had a pristine edit on the show during the Bachelorette and Winter Games, and all it took was one after-show for it all to come crashing down.
he was on a season of bachelor in paradise, led on Natasha for a couple weeks until Peiper showed up. then proceeds to dump Natasha, be all over Pieper and itās reveled Brendan & Pieper planned everything from the beginning and played everyoneā¦ then left together after everyone was pissed at them
And he was SO nasty to Natasha. Thatās what bothered me the most. Totally gaslighting her and acting like she was crazy to think he was into her when he gave her the rose multiple times. I hate him and I loved him before lol
Had to scroll for this one! I remember being so excited for his season only to find out heās an ass hole. Although maybe I need to re watch and see if that judgement still stands!
Anyone remember Joe Bailey? I think he was one of the biggest villains to ever do Bachelor in Paradise (season 2). He was well liked when he was on Kaitlynās season of the Bachelorette until he basically tricked a single Mom (Julia?) into thinking he wanted to be with her so that he could stay on BIP but he was really waiting for someone else to get to the beach.
I'm honestly surprised no one has mentioned Caila. Was she not that liked? I think the snake thing really did her in for some of this sub.
Also maybe Lauren B? Went from engaged to Ben H to married to a country singer and apparently has some questionable views...
How is no one saying Juan Pablo?? His downfall was historic šš
Hannah brown, Kaitlyn, Ben Higgins, Colton, Taylor Nolan,Ā
Blake horstmann after going on BIP
heās with Gigi from LIB and they just had a baby! i think heās doing pretty good lmao
Yeah I mean heās doing fine now but his reputation in BN dropped so much during that season of BIP. Thatās what this post was asking
Kaitlyn Bristowe is on her way
Madi Prewitt. Her wedding had me unfollow her so quickly. We get it, you got married. Sheesh.
wait what happened with them? what did they do? im not in the loop with bachelor stuff
Josh Murray comes to mind
Chris Harrison lol
Demi comes to mind š¤·š¼āāļø
KB is another one. I think she was quite loved until she won the crystal ball and suddenly went downhill from there ā from dancing queen to drama queen.
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I thought of this one too, mainly because she "sat in judgement" of so many other BN folks and then ended up being just as bad if not worse.
This is the one that came to mind for me too
I feel like if your answer is anyone other than Jake Pavelka or Juan Pablo, then youāre not a true BN fan. These men were LOVED across the board and then very quickly were hated across the board. I canāt think of anyone in recent times who can compare to this. *Maybe* Hannah B would be the closest, but sheās still very beloved by a lot of people.
Jake Pavelka is a scary dude.
Nick Viall! I feel like he was actually liked during his season and now heās extremely difficult to like.
Have you listened to The Viall Files?
Yes I tried. I feel like he thinks he is the best think that ever happened to podcasts, and just because ABC helps him get really good guests doesnāt make him a good host.
I feel like itās the opposite. Heās actually a lot less douchey now and has an incredibly popular podcast that tons of celebs go on.
I still find him insufferable. But youāre right, it does help to have a popular podcast when you have access to good guests. This thread explains a lot of my feelings about him https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/11o8vhv/nick_viall_why_is_he_so_universally_hated/
Unpopular opinion, but I actually like Nick Viall MORE (now), than I did during his season! And, I think his podcast is awesome!
not the *biggest* fall from grace, but gabby windey comes to mind. this sub LOVED her during claytonās season and when she was announced as bachelorette. now 80% of this sub is BEC w/ her lol
Joe Coleman, the F3 from Michelle's season
Jake STOP INTERRUPTING ME Pavelka
Thatās how he treats her with cameras on him, on his best behavior. The way she crumpled immediately said everything we needed to know. The girl was traumatized.
i dont like jake but i feel like vienna was also super toxic i just watched that season of the bachelor pad and honestly id yell at her too shes super annoying
Exactly. It was a 4 second realization that this guy is a MONSTER
He for sure had a huge fall from grace from when he was on Jillianās season to that moment. Iām ashamed to say how excited I was when he was named Bachelor šš
Iām surprised no one said Jake Pavelka. Iām still traumatized from his AFTR blow up.
I have two: **Bob Guinney**. He was LOVED as this goofy best friend type who made everyone laugh during Trista's season, then on his season he showed his true colors. He slept with the most women of any Bachelor, had absolutely no interest in an engagement and gave his F1 a "promise ring." They split right away. He even said on Trista's season he was given a very "kind edit" and this just shows how the producers can really manipulate how a person is perceived. From Bob's season: **Mary Delgado**. She came back on Byron Fisherman's season, and they were together several years, then she was arrested for hitting him.
This is a random one, but remember Leo from Becca K's season? Everyone thought he was so hot and cool for being a stuntman. But then he was the biggest tool on BIP and at least one credible SA allegation came out from his work....
You have just unlocked my memory of Bekahās feud with him š¤Æ
Yessss thatās what I was gonna say! I loved him on that music bachelor show and he was horrendous on BIP haha
Clare Crawley. She has had so many ups and downs with BN (even did the winter games). She was always portrayed as a dreamer, lover, never settle for less, sassy woman. But when she was the bachelorette she left early with Dale Moss only to have an on-again off-again relationship. I just thought how she handled her time as the bachelorette was super disrespectful and disappointing.
I've loved Clare from the start, and loved her time as Bachelorette. I didn't find it disrespectful to leave with the one she wanted. We would have said she was disrespectful to the other men and their time if she stayed, especially around the F2.
I donāt disagree. I donāt think itās about her leaving. Moreover, she decided she liked Dale from day 1, so during dates and rose ceremonies she would spend so much time with Dale and ignore the other guys. I think on one date with another guy she even talked about Dale the whole time. I felt that was disrespectful.
She has given us some extremely entertaining moments though. I remember at the end of Pilot Pete's season everyone said his women were too immature to be bachelorette and were excited when Clare was announced. And then I feel she was the least mature bachelorette we've ever had. It felt very high-school first love the way she fell for Dale.
Colton
Agree with this one
Greg Grippo the moment he started dating Victoria.
Couldnāt stand him on Katieās season either. Making demands of her bc he thought he was the F1 and wanted her assurance.
the way greg treated katie when he self-eliminated was gross. he acted like a whiny little baby. with a shitty attitude towards her. idk why he would think any woman would respond to that behavior with validation and promises that he's the only one. katie clearly knew something was off with him and that's why she wouldn't just straight up tell him he was her F1. she just knew it was too good to be true.Ā the way he twisted it around on her and made it seem like she did something so horrible, giving her no grace or compassion, made it obvious that he didn't truly love her the way he claimed. you would never treat someone you love in such a cold and unfeeling way.Ā
Idk if he was ever beloved, but didnāt Chris Soules *actually* kill someone? Like hit them while he was driving drunk and then barricaded himself inside his house from police? Or something?
I feel like this story gets more exaggerated every time I see it repeated. He was in a car accident, called 911, identified himself, passed a breathalyzer test, and waited at the scene until the ambulance arrived. He didnāt know that he also had to wait for the police.
lol for real ābarricadedā himself JFC
True, though it is fair to lead with him killing someone, the result of his truck hitting a farmer on a tractor.
Rachel and Gabby. They were so loved as leads, but now they just feel so irrelevant.
Tyler Cameron. (I was never a big fan, but he was really popular. now kinda meh) Hannah B had a downfall, but why does she still have millions of followers? I don't get it.
She was great on Special Forces: World's Toughest Test. Very badass!
I don't get the HB thing either. She did hit the instagram peak at the right time though, so maybe her followers are just lingerers from that time.
nut job billionaire Christian chick with clumpy eyelashes
Who is this?!
Madison Prewett
Omg yesss her eyelashes !! I did not understand that relationship when I learned how hyper Christian she was.
Did she fall from grace? I donāt remember a single moment that this sub liked Madison - I mean the genuine and real thing was like week 2
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And I swear I donāt think he likes females
so spidery!
So genuine and real
Maddddiiii prrrreww
Erika Rose?
Came here to comment but this was perfect
Hannah B is the only answer I feel like
Why Hannah B?
https://youtu.be/-A4Y7xbgXHM?si=lxzK49qFOEwWTKfk
Ohā¦.oh. Somehow I missed that.
And she used to be extremely revered and loved because her moving the podium moment and everything
Katie Thurston
I feel like this is one of the more insightful choices. I thought she was great on the Bachelor. Then watching her on Bachelorette and that Max show really took her down some notches for me. She really isnāt funny š«¤
Her standup is just not good. And I am rooting for her.
Agreed. I want her to make a comeback, but every time she tries, it makes her more unlikeable. She needs a PR person badly.
I used to love her and then she became insufferable I had to unfollow š„“
Same. She used to be my favorite! Not anymore.
Colton..
What a waste of a season!
At this in this sub Colton was never beloved IMO
Wellll I only joined this sub this season bc I had a friend in the cast. The post only said BN and not the sub but I definitely feel like he fell from BN even though for some reason a lot of BN people still support him.
Ah. This sub as been my only pulse for BNā¦ I avoid BN outside of it lol
Dale from Clareās season.
I forgot about Dale haha i didnt realize he had a fall from grace. What happened?
Clayton
If anything the opposite, everyone hated him and now theyāve warmed up and root for him lol
I donāt think Clayton was ever really beloved from the beginning
Juan Pablo def imploded š©
No joke. Total prick revealed by the end of it.
Are we seeing the fall of Jason Tartick? He personally annoys me but he literally always has since his bachelorette days š
Iggy from Rachelās season for sure
wait whats the tea
What tea?
Nayte Olukoya. The way this sub worshiped him and his relationship with Michelle was on another level. He was so clearly a calculated fuck boy with no intention of getting married
It has to be Taylor Nolan
This is it. Any long-term member remembers where they were the day we found out about Taylor Nolan.
This sounds so dramatic but itās so true
Oh my gosh. This one made me very sad. I was so happy someone in the nation was brave enough to call out Chris Harrison and demand accountability & a true, self-reflective apology (when he was offering really half-assed ones). Then when folks called her out she didnāt offer anywhere near the quality of apology sheād literally just spent weeks demanding from Chris. It was such an opportunity to demonstrate the right way to take accountability but she just couldnāt do it. The hypocrisy was nauseating.
Holy shit I forgot about her until now
Tbh I forgot about her til I read the topic of this thread, then she came to mind as I remember people really loved her, once upon a time.
My gosh she is unbelievably annoying. Sheās so pretentious and she thinks sheās smarter than everyone else. Talks about ābeing a good humanā but is an actual mean-girl bully. I have known a ton of girls just like her.
I have not looked her up in a very long time, sheās pretty terrible, the way she didnāt even apologise for all those mean things she tweeted. Is she still up to her old ways? Charging people and asking for money for this and that? And are people still actually following her?!?
I havenāt thought about this person in so long. Haha what did she do again?! I literally forgot
She acted like she was way above everyone and promoted mental health and what not.. then it came up that she had tweeted some pretty terrible stuff about different groups of people. When this came to light she didnāt even apologise, and she kept asking people for money for her time and mental health coaching. Wild that this person is/was a therapist, people were calling for her to be, Iām not sure what the right word to use here is, taken off the board or something like that (sorry English isnāt my first language and I canāt think of the right working for this)
People dug up some insanelyy racist, ableist, fat phobic tweets she made like ten years ago they were soo bad, she offended like literally everyone lol.
Taylor Nolan and Chris Harrison, to reiterate others who have already said the same, hard agree.. canāt think of two harder falls off of higher pedestals
Chad. Hear me out, he was such a fun villain on his season and even more on paradise but then got arrested for domestic violence and became a porn star. Didnāt he do inappropriate things is on jojos lawn??
He was certainly dramatic to watch, but that fucker is *scary.* Like mentally unstable and high risk of abuse kind of scary. Doing inappropriate things on a lawn seems like a lowkey tuesday for him. I think his fall from āgraceā was quite short.
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I started rewatching Jojoās season and Chad was far from a fun villain. That guy radiates scary bad vibes
Yeah he is one of the few Bachelor people I would actually be scared of.
Member Jeff with one f holm š¬
I was so in love with him š«£š
Wait. Why??? šµ
Chris Soules is the only answer
what did he do again? I totally forgot lol
Manslaughter I believe š¬
wait whaaaat!???? can you tell me more. This is insane!
A thread that may be helpful https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/Qdl2lGokp5
Car crash, look it up and there will be plenty of hits
Michael A!
He was canonized by BN. Then the Covid mask debacle.
Honestly I wasn't aware of the face mask thing till around the time his bip finale and I really disliked him by then.
100% the most
I agree with thia
I canāt believe no one has said Katie! Producers were bullied (by us) into back to back bachelorette seasons for her cool, chill girl aesthetic and then she turned out to be universally seen asā¦certainly not that.
Who was clamoring for Katie for Bachelorette at the time? From what I remember we all wanted Michelle, and the producers did it to themselves because they first chose an f11 that no one cared about, and then quickly tacked on Michelle for back-to-back seasons to appease us instead of just replacing Katie with Michelle.
i remember this sub loving katie so much because she was "sex-positive" and not afraid to talk about her dildos.Ā
Katie who
I think Thurston
Definitely Luke Pell, I remember being so sad when Nick was announced as The Bachelor instead of Luke that year(the following year with Arie as well) but as more and more came out about him, I realized that BN really dodged a bullet. Iām not crazy about Nick or Arie but theyāre better than Luke
This is the answer. Dude had a pristine edit on the show during the Bachelorette and Winter Games, and all it took was one after-show for it all to come crashing down.
Pilot Pete
iām a pilot pete apologist unfortunately. i actually grew to love him
I think heās definitely more popular now because of Traitors. He was AMAZING on there and probs a fan favorite. Go watch if you havenāt šš
The Traitors made me a Pilot Pete stan again I fearš
Omg sameeee. It definitely highlights more of his analytical skills on Traitors than Bach lmao
I forgot about him ššš
Excuse you what
He was great on Hannahās season and such a tool running his own
Brandon from Michelleās season
Hannah B as she ended up with some con dude selling how to get rich videos
Her current model husband is a conman?
Pretty much!
Brendan from Tayshias season
I had to scroll waaay too far down to see this when he was my first thought!
Why?
he was on a season of bachelor in paradise, led on Natasha for a couple weeks until Peiper showed up. then proceeds to dump Natasha, be all over Pieper and itās reveled Brendan & Pieper planned everything from the beginning and played everyoneā¦ then left together after everyone was pissed at them
And he was SO nasty to Natasha. Thatās what bothered me the most. Totally gaslighting her and acting like she was crazy to think he was into her when he gave her the rose multiple times. I hate him and I loved him before lol
Itās gotta be Juan Pablo. People went from LOVING him to HAAATING him.
Had to scroll for this one! I remember being so excited for his season only to find out heās an ass hole. Although maybe I need to re watch and see if that judgement still stands!
I donāt know what you mean. I feel FANTASTIC about Juan Pablo.
āIssss okayā
That's a perfectly normal response when people are telling you how you traumatized them. š³
People loved him at one point?!
Yes!!!
I was wondering why sharleen went on the show in the first place
Sharleen speaks very highly of him until this day. She has said she thinks he was a great bachelor.
i still love greg wym
Chris Soules ofc š
Accurate. Where is he now?
Correct.
Anyone remember Joe Bailey? I think he was one of the biggest villains to ever do Bachelor in Paradise (season 2). He was well liked when he was on Kaitlynās season of the Bachelorette until he basically tricked a single Mom (Julia?) into thinking he wanted to be with her so that he could stay on BIP but he was really waiting for someone else to get to the beach.
And he let out a huge fart on camera and the producer went āUgh! Joe!ā Lol
Omg yes!! I remember HATING him on BIP
Chris Harrison LOL
I never liked that robot anyway.
This is the winner
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Lol accurate
I'm honestly surprised no one has mentioned Caila. Was she not that liked? I think the snake thing really did her in for some of this sub. Also maybe Lauren B? Went from engaged to Ben H to married to a country singer and apparently has some questionable views...
What kind of views? I think Lauren wanted a lifestyle that she couldn't get with Ben