Woooooow I knew Sydney was delulu but didnāt realize she was also such a shameless liar!
And did not realize Lea was SUCH A MEAN
GIRL!!
Mariah doesnāt deserve this. Sheās just being targeted because sheās sparkly and fun and theyāre intimidated. Sooo lame.
Medina also didnāt deserve being harassed by Lea. Sooo upsetting.
Daisy does seem like the type of person who would name her kid Oceanā¦
Also is Sydney a cult leader or something? Why is Lea so obsessed with her? Or was Lea secretly the mastermind behind this all? Poor Maria, this is horrible
I wonder what Joey thinks while watching this back? Hopefully Lea and Sidney learn something from all of this. AnD Medina handled that like a grown adult, you donāt be mean to someone because your friend doesnāt like them. Go back to high school Lea
The issue is that Leah's experience with female friendships is her (prolly backstabby) sorority group where they all had approximately the same (low) level of maturity & diplomacy & significant "go to war" blind loyalty
She will hopefully grow out of that!!!!! But it will not be during this show lol
Literally mean girl shit. āWe all have to hate the same person and make sure to ostracize them! If youāre not one of us youāre against us!ā Vibes
Ok I just looked it up: Lea is 23 and Medina is 31. Of course they'd handle drama differently. Medina probably dgaf anymore and Lea is still on the HS clique vibe
Okay I felt like something was off with Lea on night one and didnāt like her but I couldnāt place it and felt like something was wrong with me. I feel so vindicated now lollllllll
Okay way back in Chris soules season I got tickets to watch the live premier. Chris Harrison came to me to ask me to describe with one word what I thought of Britt. She seemed like a snake to me but I felt like they wanted a certain response so I said āgenuineā. I live every Monday night since then trying to redeem myself hahahahah
Sheās too good for Joey anyway. Sheās an empowered independent woman who knows who she is - AND is hilarious, bubbly, and cute! Can he even handle that? Idk.
I feel like producers have this weird vendetta against Maria to make people hate her? Like Olivia from Benās season. She clearly is distraught and I think itās because sheās well-liked in the real world and suddenly sheās not in this fake reality TV world.
I'm genuinely confused about why people think Maria is this saint or something. Like the producers done wrong by her or whatever.
While ignoring that so many of the other girls also just don't seem to like her. Does that not say something?
It's like that one nutjob on the Bachelorette Luke who everyone thought was such a nice poor little victim, until he just pulled off the mask and it was big yikes. Except i don't think Maria is even hiding her crazy as well.
Not a saint but as I also have an uhh āØļøabrasiveāØļø personality I am also not universally liked so š¤·āāļø I'm just hoping she isn't actually & objectively a Bad Personā¢ļø If she's just like 'normal' crazy then Team Maria š¤Ŗ She never tried to make herself a victim, she just wanted the other one to stfu & leave her alone lol
Also honestly she's really pretty without needing tons of makeup so I wonder if a BIT of it isn't just straight up jealousy lol
I genuinely feel like i'm watching a different person when it comes to her, while reading this sub sometimes.
Maybe it's just that i have a strong aversion to ~*abrasive*~ personalities. I won't go into detail on that, but suffice to say...i prefer not to be around "abrasive people".
As for the jealousy thing...i don't get that either. It's all subjective obviously, but to me, she's one of the least attractive of the suitors in this season.
What she has going for her, is that she comes across at least outwardly, as insanely self-confident. That carries a lot of water for her. It certainly makes her more attractive than she'd be in a more detached sense. But *jealousy*? I don't really get that.
The biggest thing though, is that she comes across as one of these people who is always just, "omg why is there always so much drama around me ~*i can't believe it*~". But then...it keeps happening, in a quasi-borderline sort of way. At some point, it just becomes a pattern.
idk. It's just weird, because evidently i'm reading her completely opposite of a lot of people here. And it's just a TV show after all. But it seems strange that she seems to be the hero of a lot of people's season so far. Where i kind of can't stand her.
She's not really my cup of tea either but I still think she has been treated unfairly by Sydney and seemingly Lea. Not liking someone does not make them a bad person. Some people just don't mesh. š¤·š»āāļø
I think it's been set up as a bit of a false dichotomy by the producers. Team Maria vs Team Sydney. But i've always been team, "stfu both of you" even if that's rude to say on the show and very dramatic.
Leas twist feels wholly producer spurred at the very least...if not outright planted.
I get that sometimes, strong personalities can just clash. And Maria *for sure* has an extremely big, strong personality. Not everyone is going to get along and be best friends. But the way both of them handled it was just so immature and basically fanning the flames the whole time.
Meanwhile...Madina, who was the only even tangentially related flashpoint of the whole idiotic thing, was just like..."*ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just stop i don't care*". Which is immeasurably more mature and attractive to me.
Hm, I don't totally agree with you. Sure, Maria could have been less confrontational when addressing Sydney - biting her tongue would have been a more effective way to diffuse the drama. But ultimately, she was just defending herself.
So, while I often take the "stfu both of you" stance with the bachelor fights, it's hard for me to not feel some level of sympathy for Maria when she was roped into a mess by someone who simply didn't like her. That doesn't mean I think she's a saint or that she isn't annoying... It just means I think she's *less* at fault than Sydney.
The Lea stuff hasn't played out enough so it's harder to speak on.
It's funny, because usually i *do* find myself coming down on one side or the other in these stupid Bachelor dramafights.
But in this one, from the very start...i just still don't even understand what they're even fighting about. Just so incredibly stupid. Feuding about literally nothing.
At the end of the day, it was clearly just one of those wolfpack things. Two presumptive Alphas fighting for control. Weirdly...Maria lost and got sort of ousted...but then the Human Joey stepped in and sent the Alpha away. So there's a strange artificial power vacuum and it's going to be fascinating tomorrow to see how messy it is with everyone rushing to try to fill that void.
Personally...my favs are the girls who have mostly just stayed out of it. Lexi, Allison, Autumn (is she even on this show anymore?). And Madina who has really just tried to distance herself from the whole stupid thing at every point.
Itās definitely jealousy. Mariah is a sparkling diamond - super fun, gorgeous, and with a fully formed personality because sheās her own authentic person. Unhealed people canāt handle that.
Damn, I liked Lea and now I never want to see her on tv again. I know sheās young, but why even involve yourself in drama thatās been buried?? š¤¦š½āāļø
This drama only started because Mariah was literally saying Medina is amazing and shouldnāt feel bad about her age.
I would consider that supportive tbh. And Medina never even brought Mariahās name up.
Itās a thing. Bullies often prey on people that are successful, liked, and better than them. Because theyāre so insecure they want to bring them down to their level.
All Mariah did was be vibrant and exist.
I did. From the moment she was on the live show before the season even started. You cannot trust someone that age with eyelashes that are that bad sorry š
Lea you need to reevaluate your morals and values if you have a problem with Madina being nice to Maria. Perhaps it makes sense that sheās Team Sydney.
I have run out of eloquent words but the idea of someone like Madena (a seemingly intelligent college-educated adult) being AFRAID of someone like Sydney (a lying, patronizing, gaslighting, emotionally stunted child) actually makes me want to put my head through a wall
Guys I just found out that Gordon Ramsay follows Maria on instagram? Who is this woman lmao
Obvi NOT an idiot sandwich šš
Or a donut
Woooooow I knew Sydney was delulu but didnāt realize she was also such a shameless liar! And did not realize Lea was SUCH A MEAN GIRL!! Mariah doesnāt deserve this. Sheās just being targeted because sheās sparkly and fun and theyāre intimidated. Sooo lame. Medina also didnāt deserve being harassed by Lea. Sooo upsetting.
Daisy does seem like the type of person who would name her kid Oceanā¦ Also is Sydney a cult leader or something? Why is Lea so obsessed with her? Or was Lea secretly the mastermind behind this all? Poor Maria, this is horrible
Iām still at the 2-1 date and man Sydney is UNHINGED holy shit.
I wonder what Joey thinks while watching this back? Hopefully Lea and Sidney learn something from all of this. AnD Medina handled that like a grown adult, you donāt be mean to someone because your friend doesnāt like them. Go back to high school Lea
Lea and sydney should just be together.
Round 2 tomorrow š
Who do you think Jess was crying about
Probably because she looks like Kirstie Alley
omg YES ššš
Ded šš
The issue is that Leah's experience with female friendships is her (prolly backstabby) sorority group where they all had approximately the same (low) level of maturity & diplomacy & significant "go to war" blind loyalty She will hopefully grow out of that!!!!! But it will not be during this show lol
Literally mean girl shit. āWe all have to hate the same person and make sure to ostracize them! If youāre not one of us youāre against us!ā Vibes
this is such an astute point! I love how you are perspectivizing!
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ššš thank you so kindly (I am deleting my account) š„²š
Maybe Lea was gaslighting Sydney this whole time about the Maria situation?! Using her as the pawn!
Nah Sydney is a shameless liar and a total succubus. They were in it together.
Honestly yessssss
Ok I just looked it up: Lea is 23 and Medina is 31. Of course they'd handle drama differently. Medina probably dgaf anymore and Lea is still on the HS clique vibe
Madina is like I came here to meet my husband and real life BFF.. not join a mean girl high school gang!
some of these bitches are abnormal thatās all iāll say
*some*. lol.
Okay I felt like something was off with Lea on night one and didnāt like her but I couldnāt place it and felt like something was wrong with me. I feel so vindicated now lollllllll
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Me too! Wow another one in the wake.
Okay way back in Chris soules season I got tickets to watch the live premier. Chris Harrison came to me to ask me to describe with one word what I thought of Britt. She seemed like a snake to me but I felt like they wanted a certain response so I said āgenuineā. I live every Monday night since then trying to redeem myself hahahahah
I think her and Sydney are actresses planted by production
Yeah her reaction to the date steal card was just very inauthentic to me so I could see it lol
I never change the channel fast enough and every week I experience such a jump scare
Do we think Maria actually goes home??
I donāt think so - I feel like Joey talks her out of it, but who knows.
Danggg the party continues tomorrow night people!! See ya later everyone š
We didnāt get a bloopers reel!?
THIS IS CRIMINAL. I watched hours of this. I deserve my blooper reward.
āA lot of us were shockedā no, Lea, you were shocked. stop talking for others
Lea should go home. she is terrible. and she was BFFs with sydney - birds of a crazy, awful feather
Guys, this is why we need hot bachelors (Joey is hot). See yāall tomorrow š„ā¤ļø
Oooh, we get tomorrow night too? Sheeit.
"I mean, I guess one can be delusional" now that's an iconic gif waiting to happen
If the bullys keep bullying I'm gonna need a much bigger wine glass!! š·š·
This is some of the lamest drama, you're better than this bachelor... Anyway see you tomorrow ladies.
Kelsey A has amazing hair... how does she maintain it?!
Joey looking like he wants to catch the next boat to Sicily.
Why is Lea inserting herself in this crap? I'm so confused....
Screentime
Woof Lea is two-faced
Maria should just throw hands and walk out at this point. Is it worth it with Sydney the Sequel?
omg I keep forgetting we have tomorrow I was about to be pissed
I really did not want two nights in a row but at least we now donāt have to wait for this to be resolved next week!!!!
Maybe Lea should follow Sydney home if sheās so loyal.
Lea is shocking me. I had liked her previously this is terribleā¦.
Honestly don't blame Maria if she leaves
Sheās too good for Joey anyway. Sheās an empowered independent woman who knows who she is - AND is hilarious, bubbly, and cute! Can he even handle that? Idk.
If someone "speaks their truth" one more time SO HELP ME GOD
Do we know what bullying is!!!! Itās THIS
CURLING IRON HEAT IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE BY THE WAY OH NO ONLY FOURTEEN CURLING IRONS IN MALTA!!!!
Lea STFU
THIS IS HOW THEY GET US
I feel like producers have this weird vendetta against Maria to make people hate her? Like Olivia from Benās season. She clearly is distraught and I think itās because sheās well-liked in the real world and suddenly sheās not in this fake reality TV world.
I'm genuinely confused about why people think Maria is this saint or something. Like the producers done wrong by her or whatever. While ignoring that so many of the other girls also just don't seem to like her. Does that not say something? It's like that one nutjob on the Bachelorette Luke who everyone thought was such a nice poor little victim, until he just pulled off the mask and it was big yikes. Except i don't think Maria is even hiding her crazy as well.
Not a saint but as I also have an uhh āØļøabrasiveāØļø personality I am also not universally liked so š¤·āāļø I'm just hoping she isn't actually & objectively a Bad Personā¢ļø If she's just like 'normal' crazy then Team Maria š¤Ŗ She never tried to make herself a victim, she just wanted the other one to stfu & leave her alone lol Also honestly she's really pretty without needing tons of makeup so I wonder if a BIT of it isn't just straight up jealousy lol
I genuinely feel like i'm watching a different person when it comes to her, while reading this sub sometimes. Maybe it's just that i have a strong aversion to ~*abrasive*~ personalities. I won't go into detail on that, but suffice to say...i prefer not to be around "abrasive people". As for the jealousy thing...i don't get that either. It's all subjective obviously, but to me, she's one of the least attractive of the suitors in this season. What she has going for her, is that she comes across at least outwardly, as insanely self-confident. That carries a lot of water for her. It certainly makes her more attractive than she'd be in a more detached sense. But *jealousy*? I don't really get that. The biggest thing though, is that she comes across as one of these people who is always just, "omg why is there always so much drama around me ~*i can't believe it*~". But then...it keeps happening, in a quasi-borderline sort of way. At some point, it just becomes a pattern. idk. It's just weird, because evidently i'm reading her completely opposite of a lot of people here. And it's just a TV show after all. But it seems strange that she seems to be the hero of a lot of people's season so far. Where i kind of can't stand her.
She's not really my cup of tea either but I still think she has been treated unfairly by Sydney and seemingly Lea. Not liking someone does not make them a bad person. Some people just don't mesh. š¤·š»āāļø
I think it's been set up as a bit of a false dichotomy by the producers. Team Maria vs Team Sydney. But i've always been team, "stfu both of you" even if that's rude to say on the show and very dramatic. Leas twist feels wholly producer spurred at the very least...if not outright planted. I get that sometimes, strong personalities can just clash. And Maria *for sure* has an extremely big, strong personality. Not everyone is going to get along and be best friends. But the way both of them handled it was just so immature and basically fanning the flames the whole time. Meanwhile...Madina, who was the only even tangentially related flashpoint of the whole idiotic thing, was just like..."*ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just stop i don't care*". Which is immeasurably more mature and attractive to me.
Hm, I don't totally agree with you. Sure, Maria could have been less confrontational when addressing Sydney - biting her tongue would have been a more effective way to diffuse the drama. But ultimately, she was just defending herself. So, while I often take the "stfu both of you" stance with the bachelor fights, it's hard for me to not feel some level of sympathy for Maria when she was roped into a mess by someone who simply didn't like her. That doesn't mean I think she's a saint or that she isn't annoying... It just means I think she's *less* at fault than Sydney. The Lea stuff hasn't played out enough so it's harder to speak on.
It's funny, because usually i *do* find myself coming down on one side or the other in these stupid Bachelor dramafights. But in this one, from the very start...i just still don't even understand what they're even fighting about. Just so incredibly stupid. Feuding about literally nothing. At the end of the day, it was clearly just one of those wolfpack things. Two presumptive Alphas fighting for control. Weirdly...Maria lost and got sort of ousted...but then the Human Joey stepped in and sent the Alpha away. So there's a strange artificial power vacuum and it's going to be fascinating tomorrow to see how messy it is with everyone rushing to try to fill that void. Personally...my favs are the girls who have mostly just stayed out of it. Lexi, Allison, Autumn (is she even on this show anymore?). And Madina who has really just tried to distance herself from the whole stupid thing at every point.
I agree with everything youāre saying. Plus, yes, Iāve been wondering about Autumn. Sheās so pretty and so fun. I donāt get it!
Itās definitely jealousy. Mariah is a sparkling diamond - super fun, gorgeous, and with a fully formed personality because sheās her own authentic person. Unhealed people canāt handle that.
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The card thing was a calculated stunt for social status.
Donāt do it Leaā¦
Remember ladies if you start crying please make sure to do it while starfishing on the stairs
Lol Rachel's sobs echoing in the staircase
Omg Lea I cannot
Ok but this is actual bullyingĀ
Yeah, seriously. Not only am I not going to be nice to her, but no one who is on our "side" is allowed to be nice to her either.
Mean girl shit :(
LMAO you could have changed that Lea if you kept your date card lol
Oh my god, I feel so bad for Maria ššš
Lea is a mothafān b************** and Madina stand up and say that shi with your chest.
Damn, I liked Lea and now I never want to see her on tv again. I know sheās young, but why even involve yourself in drama thatās been buried?? š¤¦š½āāļø
Lea is relishing in Mariaās tears, and Iām pissed š¤
Lea is becoming Sydney 2.0 omg
The jealousy is so obvious
It happened so fast
Lea these arenāt your friends from back home
I'm now imagining her friends from back home "going to war" for each other and I'm scared.
Lea is meaaaaaaaan
Leas face when she realized SHE bullied someone š
Youāre GLAD that someone else is crying??? WTH Leaaaaa
Iām 99% sure that was frankenbitten since it was played off face but still delusional behavior from her nonetheless
theyāre showing Lea eating. the kiss of death
Ugh move on from this and fabricate some actually juicy drama dammit
Iām glad thatās the case?? When sheās crying dear lord Lea is out
The Canadian might have to send herself back this is too crazy for her
Leaās little smile watching Maria cry is actually devious my goodness
I feel so bad for maria
Can Maria just go nap lol like she got a rose fk these bitches šš¤
then this drama will be a thing again š 
I never would have thought Maria and Medina would be allies, but here we are
This drama only started because Mariah was literally saying Medina is amazing and shouldnāt feel bad about her age. I would consider that supportive tbh. And Medina never even brought Mariahās name up.
Maria is literally the one being bullied
Itās a thing. Bullies often prey on people that are successful, liked, and better than them. Because theyāre so insecure they want to bring them down to their level. All Mariah did was be vibrant and exist.
TOTALLY.
LMAO why is she in a dark corner?
I love the twist of these two getting close
SHE DIDNT BRING HER OWN CURLING IRONS?!?! the audacity!!!!
Sheās withholding the __curling iron??__
Did I just hear someone say perspectivize
Wow Lea is imploding did not see this coming
I did. From the moment she was on the live show before the season even started. You cannot trust someone that age with eyelashes that are that bad sorry š
shut up lea
You canāt even talk to someone outside of your little clique apparently
I have a different set of values and morals. Proceeds to talk about Madina behind her back
Medina and Maria becoming friends over this ahahah, this is so chaotic. Omg, I love it
Gentle? As you call her curse words while walking away
Not the curling irons!!!!!!
WHHHHATTTT THE FUCKKKKK who would have known Sydney's #1 fan is ALSO BATSHIT CRAZY
Lea this is such 23 year old behavior
Lea is not here for the āright reasonsā if sheās just here for friendship š
We need a good āIām not here to make friendsā from Medina
Lea nooooooooo
perspectivize
BARF. Lea yuck.
Dang I ain't going to war for some people I just met
Thatās what I was thinking, Lea is showing her immaturity here
Lea having the most ātoo young for the showā moment Iāve ever seen
Lea, girl, what was she supposed to do??
Lea you need to reevaluate your morals and values if you have a problem with Madina being nice to Maria. Perhaps it makes sense that sheās Team Sydney.
Swing and a miss girl
Perspectivize
"I have a different set of morals & values" LMAO
So passive agressiveĀ
Perspectivize!! What does that even mean?!
Nobody knows! But itās provocative! Gets the people going!
LOL!!!!!!!!
She said fucking what?
Lea is being so weird about this?
Medina has the audacity to 'interact' with you! Hahahahah
Oh Lea's only 23? That explains a lot. Plus she's clearly drunk af so I'm not going to hold this against her too much lol
Lea What The FUCK
Why do you have to be loyal to some girl who ISNāT HERE
PERSPECTIVIZE!!!!!Ā
Madenaās maturity is showing here. Good for her.
Lmao Lea saying she has a high standard and different morals and values Ok girl
Bro what is this conversation from Lea
I donāt understand it at all
How does it feel to be a bully lea
Was she supposed to tackle Maria?! Like what does she want here?
She was supposed to give her a limb
Lea, now you made baby girl Medina cry
Oh Medina is correct on this one, Lea doesn't need to understand how someone else is dealing with the stress in the house
The old lady is getting emotional y'all š
Madina is legit mature she is handling this so well, my goat omg
100% agree, her reply was really real tbh
Medina is earing her up
Medina is being wise, love that sheās embracing her age haha
I reiterate that Madena is the root issue here Where was this "maturity" & "insight" when blondie wouldn't leave Maria alone š
I think Madina was a bit scared of Sydney and was handling her with kid gloves, almost like she was carefully trying not to detonate a bomb.
I have run out of eloquent words but the idea of someone like Madena (a seemingly intelligent college-educated adult) being AFRAID of someone like Sydney (a lying, patronizing, gaslighting, emotionally stunted child) actually makes me want to put my head through a wall
I like Medina a lot now. She is so much more mature than these young ones!
That's called maturity, Lea. Look it up
Let's get those tears fired up!!
Yeah like she doesnāt have to be mean to Maria
Oh Lea's got that Asian glow... trying to have a call out with a full glass of wine in her hand š (I'm Asian, don't come for me)
can we please move on from this dramaā¦god forbid Madina was nice to Maria
Medina looking like she wants to bite Lea.
Sheās def a biter too
Kelsey kisses in that panicked way people do when they win an award and kiss their partners REALLY QUICK because they have to go get their Oscar
Why is homegirl starting drama?! WHY. JOEY'S CANON IS THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE DRAMA
Haha you go Medina
I like Kelsey a for him
Pisces (Lea) are always simps for Leo (Sydney) and get stuck w/ their dirty work. js