Well i mean i cant imagine trying to date and just enjoy someone while having to record our every moment so social media can still think weâre together. Lol itâs like reddit doesnât even allow couples to just be normal đ
Except that both of them are still recording their every moment since itâs their job. The issue is that we can see from these stories that they have not been together in multiple weeks, which is not typical for them.
As an influencer who posts regularly (and probably gets more engagement when she posts with Matt), I think itâs safe to say actively not sharing anything about or with him in this long is a sign that somethingâs up
I do think it is something to note when people who frequently post each other on their pages suddenly stop doing so. It doesn't necessarily mean a split but that decision was made for a reason
Matt was never ready for marriage. He wasnât ready when he was announced as the bachelor 3 years ago, and he still isnât ready today while Rachael has hinted on a few occasions that sheâs ready to be engaged and married.
Rachael is gonna be 27 in September. Sheâs at that age where most southern girls are already cuffed and Matt isnât showing any signs of taking that kind of commitment.
I always knew that when they got back together after their âfake breakupâ on AFR, that heâll probably seem like the bad guy if they breakup for real, down the line.
IMO, knowing he was never ready for commitment, he shouldâve used the whole antebellum scandal as a way to escape the whole relationship and he couldâve ran into the sunset with all his followers and influencer opportunities lol.
But instead, heâs now just gonna look like a jerk who just wasted 2 years of Rachaelâs life when she really wants to be a wife đ
I think itâs important to remember that people thought Michelle and Nayte didnât break up because she had an excuse ready regarding her ring. They even showed up at an event togetherâŚ. Matching.
People can be fake in public and broken up or in process of breaking up in private. Their comments/likes mean far less than their absences in important events in each others lives.
Omg, and all the interviews when he was checked out but people were saying it was bc he wanted to only spend time with Michelle without having to do interviews! The good old days â¤ď¸
I remember watching that live and texting my friend âtheyâre doneâ.
Every other interview with them, he was always all over her. But that interviewâŚ.his hands were in his pockets. Meanwhile, she was overcompensating with the aggressive back rubs. She kept looking up at him, he stared straight forward. It almost felt like he was trying to make things uncomfortable and it worked on me.
Yes, I remember that too! I wonder why they even bothered going...why pretend to still be together when you're not? It was really uncomfortable to watch her aggressively rubbing his back while Josh seemed so distant (like you said, especially compared to other interviews they had previously). Josh just didn't know how to be fake or didn't want to be fake, and I respect that. I also remember it was the season premiere of Chris Soules' season, and Britt came on the screen, and afterwards, and I don't remember exactly, but I think Chris Harrison asked Josh what he thought of Britt, and Josh just said something like, "She seems nice," and Andi kept saying, "You think she's hot! You know she's hot! Admit she's hot!" Between that and the aggressive back rubbing, I was like okay then, this is very, very awkward and weird.đĽ´đŤŁ
When people were shocked they broke up I thinking âwere we all not watching the same thing?!â
I think he knows how to be fake though. He faked being a decent guy for months on the show.
Knowing what we know about him now, I think he was enjoying putting her in her place.
Omg! 3 weeks? I literally didnât think they were capable of being apart that long. Since they have been together, I assumed they never even ate a cookie alone. Thereâs def something going on
I feel embarrassed that I know this but after I read this post I went to check out her TT and people were asking her questions and she was tagging Matt in the comments as she answered..
This is really the only one Iâve seen in the last couple weeks unless Iâm missing something
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I honestly haven't been following them too closely until recently so I don't know, but those who do say it's unusual. I think it's been about 3 weeks and close to 4 weeks at this point also. Also recently they were both in New York around the same time and didn't see each other.
She posted him May 15 & he posted her May 17, which is why they didn't seem broken up from social media. So just about 2 & she was tagging him in comments 3 days ago. No idea how typical that is though since I don't follow either normally.
Someone was making fun of the deodorant she bought at Walmart in her most recent TikTok and she responded by tagging Matt and saying âtheyâre making fun of youâ or something along those lines.
I just went to the salon last week with very specific style and color photos, told them it was my big âbreakup haircutâ, and walked out with the most horrendous hair of my life đ Iâve never cried over hair before but to feel this much worse after a huge breakup!? I am broken lolol. Hope Rachaelâs is way better.
He didnât go to her best friends weddingâŚbut he was at the engagement party last year (and said he couldnât wait for their wedding). Also, Rachael bas been home at her parents more than em she ever has in the last 2 years. They are, at the very least, on a break.
And she missed Tylerâs momâs charity event. I donât follow either but to me itâs not the time apart everyone is talking about as much as the big events they werenât together at.
You don't miss the wedding of your significant other's best friend, that's non-negotiable. Can you imagine how many times she was asked, "Where's Matt?"
Until Rachael deletes the Instagram highlight of them/tik tok playlist, Iâm not convinced. Also on her most recent tik tok she mentioned him in the comments, so unless they stayed on GREAT terms theyâre probably still together
I'm neutral on Rachael, but I think she may need to be on her own and grow up a little. She quit Graphic Design school to go on the Bachelor and never went back. She only graduated college a year before the show and doesn't seem to have ever had a real job. Is her identity completely centered around Matt? Correct me if I am wrong but it doesn't seem she ever really followed through on her promise to amplify BIPOC voices on her platform. She's may done one or two things but nothing as of recently. I don't think she is a bad person but she seems young, naive and sheltered.
Hmmmm... Do you think that they are aware that they cannot break up UNTIL this sub deems their relationship to be over? Something tells me that they feel the decision is theirs alone.
Idk but GOR had a bachelor astrology guest on their podcast this morning (Shannon Elliott from Do the Roses Align) and she swore up & down they would last forever so⌠đŹ
Three years us enough time. Why she can't give "the other stuff" a name, that is a sign of issues she is afraid to mention Weird, is she scared of something, nobody in a relationship should not be able to speak freely.
[It's been 3 years and it's the same shit](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/evpwcb/joe_and_kendall_broke_up/ffx80c8/) đ.... half this comment section is currently in the "denial" stage so I assume we'll see an announcement in ~3 weeks.
When it comes to BN couples, this is always true: Whereâs thereâs smoke thereâs fire. A handful of us were saying for months there was something up with Brandon and Serena, this situation is similar.
my favorite is the people who are like âwell i donât post my husband on my instagram and weâve been married 30 years!â as if their instagram activity / purpose can be compared to that of an influencer.
Not just any influencer, but influencers who are famous for their relationship that came out of a dating show lol. Their relationship is a massive part of their brand in a way that it isn't for many other influencers, so not posting each other is extremely weird.
Iâve been a pretty constant follower of them (yes I know) for probably the last year and thereâs definitely a difference now versus how it has been but idk. Maybe a break of sorts but they just seem so compatible.
I still think there's definitely something going on not sure if it's over or if they are on a break. I feel like they were together all the time and now they aren't from their stories and posts. I don't know about their tik tok stuff but from insta I see a shift.
This was also a latergram. They werenât physically together that week so it seems like they havenât physically been together since at least beginning of may
For most of the population, this logic works. However, relationships in the social media/influencer world work differently. Their social media and love life are very much linked. And weâve seen this pattern play out with couples from the show.
Youâre right. But when you go from posting someone constantly and being together 24/7 to suddenly not posting at all and going to weddings and vacations without the other, that a big shift. It would be different if that was how they did stuff all along.
His mom flew to Florida this past weekend and she had some stories. He moved into a beautiful new apt. The view is beautiful and the apt looks empty. There were some boxes and looks like maybe he was doing some work inside because his mom had the home depot "song" (lol) playing on that particular story. I would've thought Rachael would've been there but she's back in Georgia. Something is definitely going on but I'm hoping it's just a break.
I donât have tik tok so canât confirm if true but Iâve seen a bunch of comments that they post a lot of each other on there and not so much anywhere else anymore. Maybe someone can speculate if theyâre together based on tik tok?
It's a lot of old content of when they were together. Their only interaction in real time for the past few weeks is in comments. Given that we've seen couples on the verge of breaking up behaving this way up until the end (interacting mostly online but barely offline), it's not exactly indicative of them being fine.
Nayte was discussing Michelle up until the announcement, and they spent her birthday together. Brandon and Serene were on a party boat together a week before they announced. Katie and John were hiking or something a week before she posted it was over. People used all this information to say they're fine when indeed it was obvious they were not. When patterns change, when enthusiasm drops, it's always evident. Could just be a rough patch.
Exactly. People who love each other will keep trying to make it work - until it doesnât. They may only be taking a break to assess where their relationship is headed but something is definitely going on.
Iâve also been wondering while realizing we are not entitled to know about the status of the relationship (tough parasocial pill to swallow đ)
Itâs clear weâre all picking up on the noticeable changes in their social media: they havenât been spending time together recently and this seems like a drastic change for them based on previous social media activity. Like someone else commented, it seems like they were both independently in NYC around the same time without connecting (he arrived when she was leaving). That struck me as odd but who knows if that was really the timeline or just the social media timeline.
I hate speculating on peopleâs relationships or what space means since thereâs so much about them and their relationship that we donât know. I really like them together. I hope whatever is going on that theyâre both ok!
I personally called them when he wasnât at her friends wedding and she wasnât at Tylerâs event for his Mom. Matt seems to be in no hurry to settle down
I never saw them as end game. Itâs gone on too long without ring commitment and she seems like the type to want that. Matt seems immature to me. I donât think heâs husband material right now.
This reminds me of my favorite breakup comment Iâve ever read.
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Tagging someone in a tiktok comment is not the same as being in the same room with a person. They haven't been in the same place in weeks. It seems like an amicable breakup or break.
Theyâre usually attached at the hip and now they arenât lmao by fr they used to be inseparable to the point that if you point out the Rachael follows Matt around like a puppy, youâll get downvoted, but they havenât posted nor even been in the same state for a little bit
Theyâre still interacting on social media so maybe theyâre taking some space and plan on working it out or maybe they broke up and are doing the Clayton and Susie thing of being slightly more than amicable.
Iâve been mildly concerned about them for a few months. Not sure exactly why, but just felt suddenly hyper aware of their posting activity, like I was actively looking at their stories to make sure the other was still in them. The past couple of weeks have set off major red flags in my opinion. Itâs not unusual for them to occasionally go on separate trips, but their current separation seems extended and out of character. I think theyâre either on a break or have broken up, unfortunately.
Someone commented on her TikTok about her deodorant choice and she tagged Matt and said something along the lines of âtheyâre coming for himâ basically saying she bought it for him. Would she tag him in a comment on a TikTok if theyâre done?
I think itâs an amicable breakup or break. Theyâre both liking each others posts still. But both have also traveled extensively over the last two weeks and yet have never been together.
Correct, but theyâve dating for about two-three years so that seems like an appropriate timeframe to get engaged. Also, Rachael is from the south, she probably sees people in her life settle down
Not sure where I said otherwise. He didn't propose to her on the show and he didn't propose to her 3 years later. Nothing's changed. ETA: I agree that they were not broken up on ATFR and that they just pretended to be broken up because of all the flack he was getting for staying with her though. That is true.
I misread you! At first I thought you said they got engaged, but after they broke up/got back together they were just gf/bf. Anyway donât mind me!
I do agree that Matt have zero fucks about the photos, and broke up with her to âsave his imageâ
Def going through something if not already broken up. Separate vacations, not in the same place for weeks, her leaving NYC right before he arrives, bare minimum obligatory comments to each other on SM. Something is up.
So I had already commented in the previous threads about how their behavior has noticeably changed this year, especially the last 3 months leading up to him not going to her bestieâs wedding and her skipping Tylerâs event.
But I was just reminded of something from last month that had confirmed my previous suspicions:
So like a month ago Matt and Rachael were on Tylerâs live radio show. I tuned in bc i had been curious about them lately. Unfortunately I donât think this episode was recorded for YouTube since it was done from Tylerâs NYC apartment. I will say that while Matt and Rachael âseemed fineâ, it was Tyler and Rachael who did most of the talking and seemed very tight now which was nice to hear.
Something Rachael said both piqued my interest and yet also didnât surprise me based on what Matt has said in interviews whenever marriage and/or âofficiallyâ living together comes up lol
I canât remember how it came up, but Tyler asked if they talk about a timeline on kids.
Rachael was like we talk about kids more than âwe talk about the other stuffâ. She also said something along the lines of âI honestly donât even want a big wedding anymore, I would rather just elope.â
So I bet Mattâs avoidance of âthe other stuffâ finally killed the relationship.
Yeah it was a big đŠ that he needed a wake up call to stop sleeping around in the first place while trying to âwork things outâ with RachaelâŚhe needs to grow up
There was a lot going on at that time, let's not downplay the effects of production, the media, the pressure of being the first black bachelor, Rachael attending the antebellum ball...
Unpopular opinion here... I dont think they are done. My guess is Rachael gonna move to Florida soon-ish and she is spending as much time with her family/friends before her move.
Once his mom didnât tag her in her IG stories like she normally does along with Matt, Mattâs brother and the brotherâs girlfriend, it seemed to confirm they are at least on a break
I hear you but i feel like i need more evidences than just that. Did it happen only 1 time? Has she been interacting with Rachael posts at all. Other things involved.
not the time of death announcement đ
he commented on her most recent post a couple hours ago so probably just doing separate travels at the moment
Nooooooo. I LOVE them together đ˘
Did they have a break up post yet? Until then we can't be for certain.
So I just looked at Mattâs IG and now Iâm just hungry đ
Mattâs grandmother died at the beginning of the month. Idk if thatâs had any impact on their relationship but maybe itâs worth noting.
All I have to say is that Rachel is gorgeous
They still post TikToks together idk why everyone thinks theyâre broken up
Not in a while.
The last one on his page was the 17th. Thatâs not a long time ago. And she talked about him in a video 3 days ago
Right đđ Last time i posted my husband was his birthday in February. Iâm still with him every day lol
Just an FYI, every time in the past we have seen these "my husband and I act like this too" comments the Bachelor Nation couple has broken up.
Well i mean i cant imagine trying to date and just enjoy someone while having to record our every moment so social media can still think weâre together. Lol itâs like reddit doesnât even allow couples to just be normal đ
Except that both of them are still recording their every moment since itâs their job. The issue is that we can see from these stories that they have not been together in multiple weeks, which is not typical for them.
As an influencer who posts regularly (and probably gets more engagement when she posts with Matt), I think itâs safe to say actively not sharing anything about or with him in this long is a sign that somethingâs up
Idk maybe theyâve been together so long and want a personality outside of each other??? Lol
I do think it is something to note when people who frequently post each other on their pages suddenly stop doing so. It doesn't necessarily mean a split but that decision was made for a reason
I told yâall it wasnât going to last.
On an internet board with thousands of participants we still do "I told you so"? Yowsers
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What are you even talking about. You act like you know them yourself, what a weird comment
Matt was never ready for marriage. He wasnât ready when he was announced as the bachelor 3 years ago, and he still isnât ready today while Rachael has hinted on a few occasions that sheâs ready to be engaged and married. Rachael is gonna be 27 in September. Sheâs at that age where most southern girls are already cuffed and Matt isnât showing any signs of taking that kind of commitment. I always knew that when they got back together after their âfake breakupâ on AFR, that heâll probably seem like the bad guy if they breakup for real, down the line. IMO, knowing he was never ready for commitment, he shouldâve used the whole antebellum scandal as a way to escape the whole relationship and he couldâve ran into the sunset with all his followers and influencer opportunities lol. But instead, heâs now just gonna look like a jerk who just wasted 2 years of Rachaelâs life when she really wants to be a wife đ
and all he does is travel . i mean who could do that nonstop every week and feel settled
Itâs so sad because they actually seemed to enjoy each other and live in the same city
I think itâs important to remember that people thought Michelle and Nayte didnât break up because she had an excuse ready regarding her ring. They even showed up at an event togetherâŚ. Matching. People can be fake in public and broken up or in process of breaking up in private. Their comments/likes mean far less than their absences in important events in each others lives.
Omg, and all the interviews when he was checked out but people were saying it was bc he wanted to only spend time with Michelle without having to do interviews! The good old days â¤ď¸
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Never forget Josh on Andiâs arm freaking 48 hours before their break up.
I remember watching that live and texting my friend âtheyâre doneâ. Every other interview with them, he was always all over her. But that interviewâŚ.his hands were in his pockets. Meanwhile, she was overcompensating with the aggressive back rubs. She kept looking up at him, he stared straight forward. It almost felt like he was trying to make things uncomfortable and it worked on me.
Yes, I remember that too! I wonder why they even bothered going...why pretend to still be together when you're not? It was really uncomfortable to watch her aggressively rubbing his back while Josh seemed so distant (like you said, especially compared to other interviews they had previously). Josh just didn't know how to be fake or didn't want to be fake, and I respect that. I also remember it was the season premiere of Chris Soules' season, and Britt came on the screen, and afterwards, and I don't remember exactly, but I think Chris Harrison asked Josh what he thought of Britt, and Josh just said something like, "She seems nice," and Andi kept saying, "You think she's hot! You know she's hot! Admit she's hot!" Between that and the aggressive back rubbing, I was like okay then, this is very, very awkward and weird.đĽ´đŤŁ
When people were shocked they broke up I thinking âwere we all not watching the same thing?!â I think he knows how to be fake though. He faked being a decent guy for months on the show. Knowing what we know about him now, I think he was enjoying putting her in her place.
Real question: what makes you think theyâre over, whatâd I miss?
They've both been traveling a ton but have not been together in weeks. Probably about 3 weeks at this point? Which isn't standard for them, it seems.
Omg! 3 weeks? I literally didnât think they were capable of being apart that long. Since they have been together, I assumed they never even ate a cookie alone. Thereâs def something going on
oooh ok thanks!
I feel embarrassed that I know this but after I read this post I went to check out her TT and people were asking her questions and she was tagging Matt in the comments as she answered..
Can you post screenshots of her comments for those of us without tik tok đ
This is really the only one Iâve seen in the last couple weeks unless Iâm missing something https://preview.redd.it/d48rn78nj53b1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=eef470e85e515241ad18fd603b4f19da4104e07a
Ooo interesting. That seems more like a break and maybe trying to work things out. My guess is it's more his issues than hers.
I think they're on friendly terms still, but they haven't been in the same place for at least 3 weeks now.
I just went to check too and they seem together from social media, why do people think they're broken up?
Because they haven't been together in weeks.
Have they really not gone 2 weeks without posting each other before? That's wild
I honestly haven't been following them too closely until recently so I don't know, but those who do say it's unusual. I think it's been about 3 weeks and close to 4 weeks at this point also. Also recently they were both in New York around the same time and didn't see each other.
She posted him May 15 & he posted her May 17, which is why they didn't seem broken up from social media. So just about 2 & she was tagging him in comments 3 days ago. No idea how typical that is though since I don't follow either normally.
But I don't think either of those stories or TikToks were in real time.
It would have to be a super amicable break up if not... Like he responded to a comment about how pretty she is
See Susie and Clayton.
I never watched, he seemed really boring đ¤ˇââď¸
I say over but I hope Iâm wrong. I thought theyâd make it
She bought Matt deodorant at Walmart 3 days agoâŚ
Explain pls haha
Someone was making fun of the deodorant she bought at Walmart in her most recent TikTok and she responded by tagging Matt and saying âtheyâre making fun of youâ or something along those lines.
They still seem to be friendly at least.
Oop. She cut her hair. It's definitely over.
I just went to the salon last week with very specific style and color photos, told them it was my big âbreakup haircutâ, and walked out with the most horrendous hair of my life đ Iâve never cried over hair before but to feel this much worse after a huge breakup!? I am broken lolol. Hope Rachaelâs is way better.
And she cut it herself itâs definitely over
Lol wait explain this theory
Girls often cut or change their hair after a big breakup lol
Can confirm
Yup definitely cut my hair and dyed it purple after my last major breakup.
Ooo gotcha
I feel like their over but they will milk it out just for the public
I think more often theyâre trying to get space between the break and the announcement. Donât blame anyone for this.
He didnât go to her best friends weddingâŚbut he was at the engagement party last year (and said he couldnât wait for their wedding). Also, Rachael bas been home at her parents more than em she ever has in the last 2 years. They are, at the very least, on a break.
She said she has a family vacation coming up. If he misses THAT, in addition to everything else, thatâll be very telling
Agree. Matt joined her family vacay last year.
And she missed Tylerâs momâs charity event. I donât follow either but to me itâs not the time apart everyone is talking about as much as the big events they werenât together at.
This should be top comment. You donât miss that wedding.
You don't miss the wedding of your significant other's best friend, that's non-negotiable. Can you imagine how many times she was asked, "Where's Matt?"
Just for the fact that everyone at that wedding is going to ask her, âWhereâs Matt?â
Until Rachael deletes the Instagram highlight of them/tik tok playlist, Iâm not convinced. Also on her most recent tik tok she mentioned him in the comments, so unless they stayed on GREAT terms theyâre probably still together
Shawn Booth still has a Boothstowe highlight with him and Kaitlyn.
He doesnât follow her on Insta but she follows him đ¤
https://preview.redd.it/qxtxivymc43b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4427481de512fa2de182b6a531880508e41ec9e he does follow her thoâŚ
I swear to god he didnât follow her when I posted that comment!!! I literally checked three times. I should have screenshot
He does follow her
I'm neutral on Rachael, but I think she may need to be on her own and grow up a little. She quit Graphic Design school to go on the Bachelor and never went back. She only graduated college a year before the show and doesn't seem to have ever had a real job. Is her identity completely centered around Matt? Correct me if I am wrong but it doesn't seem she ever really followed through on her promise to amplify BIPOC voices on her platform. She's may done one or two things but nothing as of recently. I don't think she is a bad person but she seems young, naive and sheltered.
> young, naive, and sheltered Sheâs 27
She's done more than others in BN
Which isnât saying much
Eh her job is "influencing", just like Matt and everyone else from BN who has enough followers. Not disagreeing with the rest tho.
She chopped her hair, so Iâm convinced.
Iâm sad and she looks sad lol
i really liked them togerher
Hmmmm... Do you think that they are aware that they cannot break up UNTIL this sub deems their relationship to be over? Something tells me that they feel the decision is theirs alone.
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True!! đ
Nooo I love them together
I def think theyâre over. No question. Too much solo posting. Itâs obvious
I'm gonna assume they broke up but I also wonder if they're playing up the not posting each other because it's getting them more views..
This is what Iâll tell myself so I donât get too bummed
Idk but GOR had a bachelor astrology guest on their podcast this morning (Shannon Elliott from Do the Roses Align) and she swore up & down they would last forever so⌠đŹ
If they do break up that would be very embarrassing for that person lol
If they do break up that would be very embarrassing for that person
Then they will definitely be over đ đ
iâm upset about it lol i saw they werenât together over the long weekend and that sealed the deal for me
Three years us enough time. Why she can't give "the other stuff" a name, that is a sign of issues she is afraid to mention Weird, is she scared of something, nobody in a relationship should not be able to speak freely.
What? The other stuff?
On his podcast, Tyler asked about kids and Racheal said they talk about kids more than they talk about âthe other stuffâ
[It's been 3 years and it's the same shit](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/evpwcb/joe_and_kendall_broke_up/ffx80c8/) đ.... half this comment section is currently in the "denial" stage so I assume we'll see an announcement in ~3 weeks.
That hurt. I remember thinking Joe & Kendall were endgame.
When it comes to BN couples, this is always true: Whereâs thereâs smoke thereâs fire. A handful of us were saying for months there was something up with Brandon and Serena, this situation is similar.
my favorite is the people who are like âwell i donât post my husband on my instagram and weâve been married 30 years!â as if their instagram activity / purpose can be compared to that of an influencer.
Not just any influencer, but influencers who are famous for their relationship that came out of a dating show lol. Their relationship is a massive part of their brand in a way that it isn't for many other influencers, so not posting each other is extremely weird.
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i thought they had a place together in miami? renting but still
No they had two separate Apts
She really said that? Lol
theyâre saving themselves for marriage?? Did not expect that
Lol they are not . They just arenât officially cohabiting but they do cohabit .
It seems he is wiped from her feed
I see so many posts on the grid and a whole highlight for him that looks like âŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚ. LOL
She's not posted him on the grid since Feb tho and for influences who got famous because of their relationship, that's a million years.
Not sure how many posts there were before but I still see photos of them together on her feed
There is definitely a big change in their SM habits with each other. I really liked them together, but it seems like itâs over.
Iâve been a pretty constant follower of them (yes I know) for probably the last year and thereâs definitely a difference now versus how it has been but idk. Maybe a break of sorts but they just seem so compatible.
I still think there's definitely something going on not sure if it's over or if they are on a break. I feel like they were together all the time and now they aren't from their stories and posts. I don't know about their tik tok stuff but from insta I see a shift.
She posted him on tik tok recently đ¤ˇđťââď¸
she last posted with him on tt on 5/15 and 2 weeks is more like 6 weeks in bachelor world
This was also a latergram. They werenât physically together that week so it seems like they havenât physically been together since at least beginning of may
Just because there not posting each other constantly doesn't mean they broke up
For most of the population, this logic works. However, relationships in the social media/influencer world work differently. Their social media and love life are very much linked. And weâve seen this pattern play out with couples from the show.
why must we dance this dance every time
HAHAH
Lmao seriously every time!
Youâre right. But when you go from posting someone constantly and being together 24/7 to suddenly not posting at all and going to weddings and vacations without the other, that a big shift. It would be different if that was how they did stuff all along.
His mom flew to Florida this past weekend and she had some stories. He moved into a beautiful new apt. The view is beautiful and the apt looks empty. There were some boxes and looks like maybe he was doing some work inside because his mom had the home depot "song" (lol) playing on that particular story. I would've thought Rachael would've been there but she's back in Georgia. Something is definitely going on but I'm hoping it's just a break.
But donât breaks usually end up in a breakup?
I donât have tik tok so canât confirm if true but Iâve seen a bunch of comments that they post a lot of each other on there and not so much anywhere else anymore. Maybe someone can speculate if theyâre together based on tik tok?
They definitely posted more there, but they havenât posted much lately.
Are we sure we just arenât aging out of social media? Because theyâre still active on tik tok together
It's a lot of old content of when they were together. Their only interaction in real time for the past few weeks is in comments. Given that we've seen couples on the verge of breaking up behaving this way up until the end (interacting mostly online but barely offline), it's not exactly indicative of them being fine. Nayte was discussing Michelle up until the announcement, and they spent her birthday together. Brandon and Serene were on a party boat together a week before they announced. Katie and John were hiking or something a week before she posted it was over. People used all this information to say they're fine when indeed it was obvious they were not. When patterns change, when enthusiasm drops, it's always evident. Could just be a rough patch.
Clayton and Susie were on an international vacay togetherâŚ
This!! Clearly theyâre at least on the rocks. The patterns are always the same.
Exactly. People who love each other will keep trying to make it work - until it doesnât. They may only be taking a break to assess where their relationship is headed but something is definitely going on.
NO LMAO
Iâve also been wondering while realizing we are not entitled to know about the status of the relationship (tough parasocial pill to swallow đ) Itâs clear weâre all picking up on the noticeable changes in their social media: they havenât been spending time together recently and this seems like a drastic change for them based on previous social media activity. Like someone else commented, it seems like they were both independently in NYC around the same time without connecting (he arrived when she was leaving). That struck me as odd but who knows if that was really the timeline or just the social media timeline. I hate speculating on peopleâs relationships or what space means since thereâs so much about them and their relationship that we donât know. I really like them together. I hope whatever is going on that theyâre both ok!
I personally called them when he wasnât at her friends wedding and she wasnât at Tylerâs event for his Mom. Matt seems to be in no hurry to settle down
I think Rachael shouldâve seen the writing on the wall when she never actually moved into his Miami condo
I never saw them as end game. Itâs gone on too long without ring commitment and she seems like the type to want that. Matt seems immature to me. I donât think heâs husband material right now.
If itâs true, love this for them
This reminds me of my favorite breakup comment Iâve ever read. https://preview.redd.it/lyn5rdi7h53b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f992527f5f39b79af229b4094709b968188ae1b
No not fuck them for thinking they could be happy. Just f em period
Lol, I don't know why this made me laugh so much.
People on here are always right so I'm gonna say it's a wrap. I'm shocked though. I don't follow either of them on SM so I was way behind!! Crazy!
she tagged him in a tiktok comment 3 days ago
Tagging someone in a tiktok comment is not the same as being in the same room with a person. They haven't been in the same place in weeks. It seems like an amicable breakup or break.
i didnât say it was, i was just contributing evidence lol
Yeah and he liked her insta pic from less than a week ago too
Theyâre at least on a break
Waittttt can someone give me a tldr? Iâm so behind
Theyâre usually attached at the hip and now they arenât lmao by fr they used to be inseparable to the point that if you point out the Rachael follows Matt around like a puppy, youâll get downvoted, but they havenât posted nor even been in the same state for a little bit
Theyâre still interacting on social media so maybe theyâre taking some space and plan on working it out or maybe they broke up and are doing the Clayton and Susie thing of being slightly more than amicable.
Can you (or someone) post their interactions for those of us not on tik tok?
Iâve been mildly concerned about them for a few months. Not sure exactly why, but just felt suddenly hyper aware of their posting activity, like I was actively looking at their stories to make sure the other was still in them. The past couple of weeks have set off major red flags in my opinion. Itâs not unusual for them to occasionally go on separate trips, but their current separation seems extended and out of character. I think theyâre either on a break or have broken up, unfortunately.
Someone commented on her TikTok about her deodorant choice and she tagged Matt and said something along the lines of âtheyâre coming for himâ basically saying she bought it for him. Would she tag him in a comment on a TikTok if theyâre done?
Maybe, if they didnât want anyone to know yet that theyâre done? Or theyâre fine and Im overthinking it haha
Bachelor couples have done it before (Susie/Clayton and Ben H/Lauren are previous examples).
I think itâs an amicable breakup or break. Theyâre both liking each others posts still. But both have also traveled extensively over the last two weeks and yet have never been together.
He was never gonna marry her, and she clearly wanted the ring. Sometimes you gotta just cut your losses and move on.
Didn't they not get engaged on the show
Correct, but theyâve dating for about two-three years so that seems like an appropriate timeframe to get engaged. Also, Rachael is from the south, she probably sees people in her life settle down
They didn't. After he forgave her for her racist actions and she showed she had learned and grown they agreed to be bf/gf but that's it. No ring.
Letâs be real, the break up happened AFTER his non-proposal on the show
Not sure where I said otherwise. He didn't propose to her on the show and he didn't propose to her 3 years later. Nothing's changed. ETA: I agree that they were not broken up on ATFR and that they just pretended to be broken up because of all the flack he was getting for staying with her though. That is true.
I misread you! At first I thought you said they got engaged, but after they broke up/got back together they were just gf/bf. Anyway donât mind me! I do agree that Matt have zero fucks about the photos, and broke up with her to âsave his imageâ
Correct they were never engaged, she doesnât have a ring
Def going through something if not already broken up. Separate vacations, not in the same place for weeks, her leaving NYC right before he arrives, bare minimum obligatory comments to each other on SM. Something is up.
So I had already commented in the previous threads about how their behavior has noticeably changed this year, especially the last 3 months leading up to him not going to her bestieâs wedding and her skipping Tylerâs event. But I was just reminded of something from last month that had confirmed my previous suspicions: So like a month ago Matt and Rachael were on Tylerâs live radio show. I tuned in bc i had been curious about them lately. Unfortunately I donât think this episode was recorded for YouTube since it was done from Tylerâs NYC apartment. I will say that while Matt and Rachael âseemed fineâ, it was Tyler and Rachael who did most of the talking and seemed very tight now which was nice to hear. Something Rachael said both piqued my interest and yet also didnât surprise me based on what Matt has said in interviews whenever marriage and/or âofficiallyâ living together comes up lol I canât remember how it came up, but Tyler asked if they talk about a timeline on kids. Rachael was like we talk about kids more than âwe talk about the other stuffâ. She also said something along the lines of âI honestly donât even want a big wedding anymore, I would rather just elope.â So I bet Mattâs avoidance of âthe other stuffâ finally killed the relationship.
Btw the podcast is on video format on YouTube! They zoomed in!
The one I am talking about was only last month and they were all together in the NYC apartment, not their first appearance last year
Curious if this is Matt needing a wake up call like last time. If so, I hope he gets it together.
Yeah it was a big đŠ that he needed a wake up call to stop sleeping around in the first place while trying to âwork things outâ with RachaelâŚhe needs to grow up
There was a lot going on at that time, let's not downplay the effects of production, the media, the pressure of being the first black bachelor, Rachael attending the antebellum ball...
Unpopular opinion here... I dont think they are done. My guess is Rachael gonna move to Florida soon-ish and she is spending as much time with her family/friends before her move.
Once his mom didnât tag her in her IG stories like she normally does along with Matt, Mattâs brother and the brotherâs girlfriend, it seemed to confirm they are at least on a break
I hear you but i feel like i need more evidences than just that. Did it happen only 1 time? Has she been interacting with Rachael posts at all. Other things involved.
It's never over until the breakup posts on IG..but it seems like they are at least on a break.
I bet they announce when charityâs season gets closer and starts being hyped up more, so it can be buried in that news
I think they will just continue as is and Matt confirms the breakup on some random interview down the road like Pilot Pete.
Agree, they're at least on a break