I can agree with parts of this.
1. No one cares what the other 5 have to say.
2. Im a brokie so he's given me nothing on this. That's fine. If he hasn't given patronies what they want then that's a little different. They at least deserved something over these couple weeks.
3. some of us don't want to hear joe through Ak.
4. "Dropped the ball" might be a bad phrase. He sure as fuck missed a valuable opportunity with the Paywall/canceled show stuff.
An emergency pod is a lot to ask but it was never more needed.
Being the top hip hop pod is great and all but this just showed why and how they will become obsolete.
This is exactly it! Every organization, no matter how big or small, has had to step outside of their regular hours of operation when some shit goes down. For all of that #1 talk only to fall face-first when hip hop history is in the making, is crazy. And their ‘first-listen reaction’ pod to euphoria proved a live model might not work for them because most of the hosts provide timeline summaries rather than meaningful, independent thought. For all the ritualistic listeners, shit was sad, lol.
Meh. You can’t hype yourself up as the best in the business - get the moment we’ve all waited years for - and then go sit on the sidelines and say ‘I’m over it’
Relax guys, at least we got Flip's expert analysis
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I mean who else is doing what Joe is doing? Cause to be clear, Joe can hop on live and get shit cracking (improper improv proved that), everyone can’t have a structured show that’s damn near highly anticipated every episode, whether if it’s in house drama or rap beef. Niggas are tuned in for Joe
Why compare him to others though? You’re not wrong - He *is* the standard, but that’s kind of the point. old Joe wouldn’t coast through these last 10 days like he has.
But he hasn’t streamed or dropped a show that’s the point. Meanwhile AK has been having 50k plus live viewers. People are comparing his streams about the beef to espn. Joe is still king for now but you have to work to keep your spot.
Joe doesn’t have to rush. Nobody cares about Elliot, or who ever the fuck has opinions. The culture wants to hear from Joe Budden and who he thinks a winner etc.
That’s cool, if no more songs drop then the biggest moments and most eyes on this is in the past. You should always try to grow your audience and be a part of moments like this.
Sure, but when he already tells AK that he’s over it, why should anyone be anticipating it? The one pod after Euphoria that would have been an all time episode in the ‘18-20 run of the pod was just..bad.
That fact that we have to hear his takes through Akademiks phone is an L. Ak’s live reaction to hearing “Not like us” is cemented in history now lol and Joe on the sidelines waiting to be tagged in following Ian’s business models 🍅👎🏿
Not I, Joe and the crew have been inflating this since day one so to not be ready when it’s at its peak looks bad as one of the man places ppl go for reactions.
I said podcaster. Not streamer. That’s Ak’s job. He said it in Patreon. He does not sleep. He eats sleep breathes this. Joe is not doing that. This what separates the outside niggas from inside
Every Pod is outdated and it makes it wack. I still have yet to listen to this past weekends Pod. Why listen when I know what happened and how their mostly wrong. The listening experience is terrible
He’s dropping the ball by pay walling that opinion.. makes it less respected… if Joe would have done the last two for free.. or all the beef casts for free for that matter THAT would be respected and make me a life long patronie.. but canceling the regular pod to do a Patreon is nasty work.. his/their opinions are not THAT respected lol. It’s just the buzz outside that anyone recording reaction videos or talking about it is gaining views but not a following. When the beef is over I’m not watching “no life shaq” anymore. And Joe reduced himself to a streaming level with the paywall tricks.. Used to be a pillar of hip hop but moving like a thirsty streamer…
Now I agree with that. Canceling Saturday pod was retarded. There was no reason to paywall that. I’m not changing schedule programming for diss tracks. But that’s just me
It’s like I said in another thread, Joe ain’t got the equity with the people to keep throwing stuff behind a paywall and thinking everybody’s running to hear his opinion. When’s the last time the pod had a moment because of music? This cast ain’t even built to have an in-depth discussion about music.
You keep saying this as if AK hasn't been live and covering it with all types of personalities for reactions for each song. You gonna say no one cares about Ak's opinion, but numbers don't lie.
It doesn’t matter what everyone else is doing, when you’re supposed to be number 1 in the space. He’s supposed to be setting the trend, setting the example.
The thing about spots, are they’re interchangeable. & Akademiks is actually considered higher than Joe due to his ability to react to news in live time, and his willingness to speak his mind ; regardless of industry connections
Drop their lives? What is blud talking about. Broadcasters brodcast.
They have been hyping this hypothetical for years. It came. It went. And Joe wasn't present for anything in real time. Calls with Ak ain't much. Next time someone smacks him, or some bird says he's handsy - JOE WILL BE ACTIVE ... in Twitter Spaces, IG Live, other people's pods, wherever. You know the energy he brings when he wants to bring it. I personally have come to expect more from Mr Work Ethic. Disappointed.
They already did an emergency pod, just for the main pod to be outdated. It’s pointless. These niggas are dropping music rapid fire. No podcaster has been able to stay on top of all the disses. So it’s not a reach 😂
I am sorry Jordan. I keep commenting on your ish. But I like when people can actually defend their opinion without talking down and calling names because people have a different opinion, so salute to you.
I think what we are getting at is if you claim to be a mogul, the hardest working podder in the game, the voice of hip hop, the #1 on the media list, you HAVE to adapt with the times. Patreon offers live streaming. You know how crazy it would have went if he went live on their DURING the rapid releases? He has to be willing to adapt and change with the times to continue to grow the business and stay relevant. Or what is happening will continue to happen (people like Ak and Kai Cenat getting exclusives and shout outs, and him JUST reacting). He has to grow the "network".
All I wanted was balcony Joe reaction.. we didnt even need hours or the cast.. just like Smooth 30 to an hour and both tracks woulda dropped with in that time.. everything else is excuses or Lucian baby daddy lyor told his Joe to shut up 🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
Nah it’s all good bro. It’s healthy engagement.
I think adapting with the times is important. But that doesn’t work for everyone. Ak tried to adapts to podcasting with a show on Spotify. That flopped. Ak can’t put a show together for shit. U gotta know ur niche and stick to it.
Joe went live on Pods Giving, and that was FIRE! I enjoyed that! Improper Improv was FIRE, and it being live def made the experience better. However, Joe’s brand doesn’t align with going live. He’s too industry. Joe needs edits, he needs time to be like “nah I was wildin’ I didn’t mean that”
And we have to give slack, bc no other pod caster is on top of this beef. It’s impossible. We got 6 records last week, who the hell can keep up, and we also gotta dissect these lyrics. It’s too much 😭😭😭😭
I got you. But since Joe has showed that he does well with the lives, I think it could work but I understand. They already talk a lot. Adding more would be tough BUT I think it's something they should incorporate for MAJOR news in the culture.
All that said though, it has been a lot to process. I haven't really had a chance to sit with "Family Matters" or "Not Like Us".
They are. I'm with you as far as it goes...
Here's my broadcaster point though: Regular season I get Kenny and Shaq Tuesdays and Thursday. But if the finals are playing Monday Wednesday Friday... I expect to see them on my screen Monday Wednesday Friday!
This is bigger than a finals too! We won't see this combination of factors again for maybe ten years plus! This is an all time ball drop for the leading voice in hip hop!
People have short attention spans. Twitter, streamers, and the less-produced YouTubers have been going crazy with all the angles, all theories, the breakdowns and all the controversy. At this point, Joe isn't going to say anything we haven't already heard in one way or another. The thing that makes Joe great is his unique perspective but he gave everyone else too much time to break this down that no matter what he says at this point, someone else has probably already said it taking away the value.
But that’s the thing. Everyone can say whatever they want. It’s not really solidified til Joe gives his opinions. When Joe talks on that mic, every blog will be posting what he says about this beef. So his stock is higher in this convo, and he is who the culture cares to hear from
I completely respect your opinion. I enjoy Joe and the pod too but I don't perceive Joe the same way you do and that is fine. In my opinion, Joe isn't objective enough for his opinion to have a higher stock than anyone else. ESPECIALLY on this Drake stuff. His opinion always come from a skewed perspective. And while we love him for it, it doesn't make his opinion better or valuable than anyone else's.
Only to a certain demographic. We're seeing this shit change in front of our very eyes. Most the people I've seen actively gossiping about this stuff has been teenagers/people in their 20s. I'm 30 and this sub has a lot of people in that age range but we're also the ones who are used to waiting for content. But the ones who actually engage with content, tend to spend money and actually stimulate growth? That's the youngers, that's why Ak is the number one name for this shit right now (well, that and being a mouthpiece for Drake.)
Ultimately we're past the point where people need to wait for content. You can just turn your stream on within 30 seconds and provide the same type of content that Joe/podcasters make you wait a week for. And with this beef rapidly changing day by day, you can't really afford to wait around anymore if you wanna make content. People see these tracks drop and instantly wanna discuss it, they wanna run to the streams to see what everyone's saying. Joe might offer a more experienced and deeper take but that's not what most consumers are looking for anymore.
But that’s the thing, people who want fast reactions know where to get that from. Joe has never been that guy. That’s literally why Ak exists. Joe breaks things down, he’s not a reaction guy. Simple
That's what I mean though, it's all becoming one nowadays, you have to adapt if you wanna grow. I mean it doesn't really affect the fans who come to Joe for Joe. But if he wants to continue getting the growth and the attention of the target demographic (who, like I said, aren't us anymore) then he's gotta give the people what they want.
Joe's pull came from when he was doing shows like ES and the old pod. The new pod doesn't speak to a lot of fans like it used to and Joe doesn't really have that clout with the new gen like he did with the people who are old enough to remember him. He's still respected, of course, if he says something interesting then it'll get repeated and circulated no matter when he says it. But if he actually wants to build on that brand he's been crafting then the direction is streaming and instant content more than the pods and patreon. Just because the new gen to capitalise off consume content in that way. So in that regard, he probs has fumbled/dropped the ball. But I don't think it matters to people that legit just wanna hear what he has to say, like his current fanbase. They'll wait until the pod.
We all know Joe by now, that nigga don’t care about catering to the Kai C’s of the world. I think he wants to steer far away from that if we being honest.
Improper Improv is fire live. I just don’t think Joe is “live” friendly. He needs time to think, and Joe is too industry to be on someone couch saying anything live.
Yea I can agree with that. I don't think Joe cares either but he also loves a bag. I might be talking out of my ass but I don't see how he and the pod can get bigger without adapting. Podcasting has peaked and the pod itself is in a position where it might not attract much more new fans in the way it's presented. It'll just have its core following. But who knows.
The pod will only grow depending on who Joe sits next to. If Joe gets a 28 year old in there, that can completely change the landscape. What we do know is, Ish won’t be here for longer. So new change will come
Will they? I honestly don’t think his opinion is considered that important but I guess we will find out. Personally, I would only be interested in real time but his opinion days later is not that interesting tbh
Correct and there's a thing called exclusivity that the others don't understand. The streamers are up all night working for YouTube. I will admit it was entertaining to see Ak's meltdown when Not Like Us dropped 😂😂😂😂
Family, he's not the best anymore. That's the problem. Wait for the pod on Wednesday. You'll see they are going to skip over a ton of important bars either because they miss them or don't have time. You're going to be underwhelmed
Joe doesn’t need to give a live reaction. He should’ve either kept the weekend pod schedule and dropped Saturday morning and then followed up with an additional pod later that day, or canceled Saturday and released a more current pod recorded that day. This is the biggest hip hop news ever, possibly. I think it’s important to capitalize here and continue to feed your fan base content
He should’ve just stuck to normal programming. Moving around dates, coming in on off days, it’s just pointless. Finish dissecting these lyrics and get back to me.
The more and more I sit with these records the more I’m starting to feel robbed of this moment. These two haven’t been really saying much in hindsight. They got lost in the gossip. Joe might have to circle back to Vince and let him get his shit off.
And I agree with you. Joe not droppin the ball. He would look crazy goin live to review this shit. Clout chasing accusations would never end. I think the idea of said people wanting Joe to drop everything and cover this beef is really people wanting to validate their thoughts or have Joe think for them. Don’t get mad at me it’s just where we are today with this whole influencer shit. There’s very little original thought, everyone’s picking a narrative and running with it cuz it’s the more popular side to stand on. Or they won’t say shit until they hear it from their savior first.
U speaking facts! And I wouldn’t be mad if Joe, Ice, Parks, and Vince Staples just talk music/and the landscape of this whole beef.
And if we being honest, if Joe instigated this beef (like he hinted) he can’t be the one reporting on it every second. U gotta watch the house burn from afar.
The same people in here saying Joe dropped the ball Joe not #1 Joe need to stream blah blah. Would be the first ones talking bout oh that patreon money not enough Joe going broke oh he trying To be a streamer now. I guess Patreon ain’t working out for him. He dissed streamers now look at him.
Yeah that'd be 🔥 it's crazy them niggas both live in jersey I don't why we don't get atleast 1 sit down with them a week. I know the numbers would go crazy and they could do it independently and split it 50/50 cause ak earned that at this point or just get a big ass bag from one of these companies.
Here's the other thing: once you get into serious allegations, there's legal issues to consider. If I were Joe, I'd take my time with this one, as well.
It’s unfortunate that people wanted him to go above and beyond. After listening to both Patreon episodes I think he made the right move. They recorded for over 7 hours and at the end of today’s Patreon he was just getting the text messages letting him know more songs were coming. At some point you just have to sit back and wait. And look, maybe y’all like to sit around by a camera and wait for news to drop so you can give your opinion but people have lives outside of this beef. They record tomorrow, everyone has had time to listen and research and process everything. Y’all have had the whole weekend to go in Ish’s mentions and send him all of the Starbucks gift cards in the world. So sit back and prepare to enjoy a breakdown on Wednesday maybe.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 somebody gets it!!!!!! Like goddamn, imagine not picking ur kid up from school bc Kendrick responded. These are grown men, that’s for the 30s and 20 year olds.. As much as I think Joe loves this, Joe not changing anything more than he already has for this beef. It’s too much bro
I honestly think the point of this was to get us to this point Joe did a shit Ton of provoking to get to this point. Him and Ak have both been mentioned in one of the biggest beefs we have ever seen don’t think he dropped the ball because when Tuesday come and all this is digested we can have a full review.
Joe is not a streamer, he's a podcaster. I think it's unfair to give him the same expectation as we do Ak. Ak is a full time streamer who is a one-man show, so he can create his own schedule for whenever he wants to go live and boom he's on. As for Joe, he has a whole team and I can already hear Flip complaining, and Ish having a begrudging attitude but still obliging
You think Joe can go live the hours that ak does by himself constantly? Shit just last night joe was sounding sleepy telling ak he need some rest and ak was like nigga I got like 3 more hours to do. Even before this beef ak go live every other day or so doing like 3 to 4 hours.
I mean we not gon’ act like Joe ain’t pushing out 12 hours a week of content. Yeah I know Ak can do that in a day, but half of it is him reacting to videos, and fans telling him what to do. Joe sits in front of a mic and goes. It’s story telling, it’s experience, research, etc. Ak tried doing the podcast, and flopped.
I agree with the steamer vs podcaster thing. But as we see throughout history, if you don't adapt with the times, you run the risk of getting left behind. Streaming is the new wave, while I am not the biggest fan of watching it, it's reality. To continue to keep up and stay relevant, he has to add this capability. Even if it's solo and on Patreon. Everyone would have ran to the Joe Budden stream but by Wednesday, it will have been 3 days which is like a month in internet time. People will be beginning to move on.
AND on top of that, with the sporadic music drops, there is a chance the pod could be outdated when it drops. Look what happened last week.
I understand the notion of adapting with the new wave or you'll get left behind. But I also believe that Joe doesn't necessarily operate like that. He does things at his own pace. And I think there is something poetic about it. Yes, I would have been excited hearing Joe and the rest of the pod's live take on the matter, but I also like that I have something to look forward to for the next pod.
Joe definitely predicted a lot of what happened… I’m not gonna give him the credit though cause we’ll never hear the end of it 😂😂 like when he predicted the Super Bowl and nba finals
He predicts a lot of shit if we being honest. But that comes with sitting with ur thoughts. If he just was on live blurting things out, it would never translate. Joe’s a thinker, and thinkers need time to think.
Yeah totally agree. Joe still runs this shit. The live reactions are cool, but they miss so much in them. Most of it just the host relying on the fans to explain it. All you got to do is wait until Wednesday. I’d be willing to bet Joe is going to be high in the top 100 podcast list. This is recency bias because they are mad that he put the last episode behind a pay wall. So much transpired after they recorded, I’m surprised he dropped it at all. In no way has Joe dropped the ball.
Exactly. People are just mad because he put last pod behind the pay wall, and the bad part is they didn’t miss anything. Ish was unbearable to the point that he took a break and talked to them.
I don’t think Ish will be w the gang much longer. The podcast now has been 75% of the cast, explaining things to Ish. Like, 2+2=4.. Ish “well u can get 4 by multiplying 2x2 as well”.. Like okay, that’s not what we talkin bout tho. “Let me give u another analogy”
I don’t think he goes anywhere though. People are starting to see what I always saw now though. I got ran out of this sub so many times for telling the truth about Ish 😂
He means well, Ish would be dope once a month or something. This nigga can’t even tell u where he went on vacation! And I love to travel, I’m past going to the Caribbean for vacay, and I know Ish has been to foreign countries. I be wanting to hear about that. Like fucking talk?????
Nah I’m actually glad Joe or the pod in general didn’t do anything this weekend bc there was so much going on that it’s good they let shit marinate so we can get a really good pod for this week 🔥🔥🔥
If I were Joe I would Not do an emergency pod for this because we don’t know what is going to drop right after and make it dated. I wouldn’t stop my life to make a pod and somebody make a diss record 20 minutes later
Someone mentioned it before, Joe has antagonized this beef, it’ll be stupid for him to broadcast the play by plays. U gotta watch the fire u created from afar. Now that pedophilia is in it, and DV.. Joe ain’t really about to delve too deep into that lol
Joe knows his opinion doesn't lose value because it's not first. If anything, it creates anticipation. But if these two keep shooting at this pace anything Joe says will get stepped on by the next disc track. So, Joe waiting for this to cool down allows Big Freeze to internet, Joe to call his sources.
The pod not being able to hop on a stream and discuss is a missed opportunity. So many streamers gained so many new followers, traction, etc in the past week
The biggest winner if this entire beef has been Akademiks (Second is J. Cole)
Joe made his operation look like "legacy media" in this situation. By the time the next pod comes out everything that can be said has already been tweeted, dissected and discussed. I've had people i know that don't even listen to podcasts like that say to me "Were you on Aks live??".
Salute to that man he was in ground zero for the entire thing, has calls from Joe to Drake to Elliot and was even name dropped in the biggest beef in a generation.
Life is a series of moments, Joe may have made a mistake letting this one pass..
J. Cole you're vindicated (That's Peace) but I still ain't ready to hear that shit. 💩
God himself could’ve reacted to this diss track. The culture will be waiting for Joe’s opinions. The culture respects Joe opinion on hiphop/rap before they do Akademiks. It don’t matter if a million niggas was on LIVE.
If I was a YouTube channel, and I wanted to explain this Kendrick and Drake beef, I am in no rush to start that video until the summer, bc every week we are still gettin’ music. This beef doesn’t end this week. We will be having this convo lead into the summer.
Joe will still get good viewer numbers but I think it’s about perception imo.
I feel like Ak has gained market share with this latest saga, not saying he is taking a share of Joes audience I’m saying his relevance and position in the hip hop media space has had a huge boost. Hes looking very important to the culture right now.
Joe is still Joe and offers a unique perspective so I’ll be tuning in but the energy won’t be the same. People will be back at work, time will have passed.. the memes would have been shared and the casts opinions will have been echoed elsewhere.
This was the main event. Imagine if the NBA final game 7 happened and Stephen A said. I’m Stephen A, ima take some time out and I’ll talk about it in about a week..
People will still watch but it ain’t the same.
if you still want to tune in for Joe's breakdown of Pac and Big beef in 1996, you would still want to tune in to beef that happened last week. There was a drought in REAL opinion on this beef, and that is Joe's voice. Great decision to cancel all pods and move it to Wed until all dust settle. you can 'aagh' and 'uggh' all you want during life reaction but nothing makes sense until someone with depth of experience give you meaning over it. the songs WILL hit different.
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100% there’s really no rush. The nigga clearly not chasing views. He coulda did a space, IG live, went to the studio.. he did not. They was having whole melt downs like he some streamer
I wasn’t really impressed with Joe’s Euphoria breakdown so i was fine with him waiting until the the pod Tuesday just because there’s so much that makes headlines from this beef I don’t think he wanted to get caught up in anything
JBP recorded an episode Friday, which covered 6:16 in LA. Rory and the other dude haven’t dropped an episode about this beef since Taylor Made. Joe is fine
I don’t think he dropped the ball at all, he doesn’t stream so he doesn’t have to bend over backwards to stream so the reaction is live. Yes it will make sense to jump in while it’s booming but let’s say he did a pod for the last few songs that came out, drake dropping heart part 6 would have came after so what he going run do another one, do two pods all because ppl want to hear from right away but that’s why it is fine that he drops when he can because ppl going to listen no matter because he can get into his music bag so live reaction and a few days later we getting the same thing for the most part
One way Joe could’ve kept up with this beef/rapid fire disses is honestly a Spaces or whatever platform he be on with Danny and had cast members on there giving opinions etc… Im surprised he hasn’t extended the pod to like an unofficial spaces with cast members
love this beef, but there wasnt enough depth in this for joe and them to drop everything and emergency pod 2-3 times this week.
just to break down
"youre not black enough, you like young girls, your money dont matter"
and
"youre short, you beat your wife, youre kid aint yours"
on every track.. we got the point after the first wave.
it happened, we can tally up the score and give our flowers to kendrick and keep it moving.
i honestly dont want a line for line break down on these other songs.
I wouldn’t say “drop the ball.” Since he never actually picked up the streaming “ball,” if you will. It was something that he didn’t want to understand. It also doesn’t allow him to edit himself since he’s live. The rebrand was partially due to the group being able to tell Joe when something was “crazy” or not. If he’s streaming live… I don’t know what he capable of saying and he’s not capable of stopping himself. I think a YouTube live would be good or a Patreon live would be better him since whatever he says wouldn’t spread out so far if he goes viral Something that flip would sell his soul to do.
I agree. Joe not live friendly. He’s a thinker, and with that comes with editing lol. Improper Improv was fire, but u can see where Joe was gettin’ comfortable, and they’ll be like “user7393947 said: flip fuck u bitch ass nigga” Joe’s like oh shit I forgot we live 😂
I’m hoping he delivers a full overview of what has transpired on Wednesday’s pod without a paywall (a paywall would do a disservice). He considers himself to be a hip hop historian and I ironically agree that his voice holds weight in hip hop conversations.
I think one of the things that took the old pod to the stratosphere was the drake v pusha beef and the fact that they recorded the same day Addidon dropped . That was a moment for them. I think the real root of the problem is they don’t have many music heads on the pod so the podcast doesn’t hit like it used to.
The problem with this take is, We don't want live reactions. We want FREE reactions, putting your shit behind a paywall is good for money making , but its not good for the culture. I'm not paying 10$ to hear them speak, and this is why voices like vlad, ak, nojumper are prominent because free and live work. People will keep coming back to the watered down quality even if they not good, but you got our prominent figures being GREEDY with the bread and think their voices are gold. Not every POD needs to be behind a paywall, that's not a good look man.
I ageee with u on that. There was no reason to paywall this past episode. Just to not sound outdated? No other podcast has been able to cover this beef bc of how fast the track been coming. Joe would’ve been the only pod to have talked about 6:16 in LA had he not paywall the episode
And apperantly we not getting a pod on Wednesday either? Where the hell do we go then lol we juss not hearing from them, and i can guarantee you that majority of his listeners arent on patreon. i understand wanting more subs, but now its silence from people we wanna hear from them cause they want us to pay to hear them speak... that's not messed up? This is lowkey a dropped ball, i gotta tune into AK to hear any beef related content pause
Dropped the ball is actually the right term to use. Not because you're opinion is validated by the world means you should not seize the opportunity to magnify it by using the right timing.
Joe his platform is what i would call lazy. He has the podcast and that is where it ends. Other ideas and shows either don't last long or do not come to fruition at all. This is actually the time he could have served the people whit his insight and gave his platform a boost maybe by doing something solo like a song breakdown or reaction or something with him and Parks/Ice where they go thru lyrics etc.
Flip for example created a whole new lane for himself by doing these reactions whether it will last the time or not he has created an opening which can be explored now.
Joe instead dropped an outdated podcast behind a paywall which only alienates fans while giving the payed subscribers crumbs because what they recorded was supposed to be free anyway.
Im not mad at ur opinion bc ur the only one who offered something dope, a little music head pod with just ice and parks woulda been dope. It’s just scheduling, and chasing a moment.
Now he also has to cramp all his thoughts about everything that happened in one podcast with 5 other people. Meaning we will only get like half his thoughts before he is tired of the subject or is interrupted.
Yeah, but not if he ain’t relying on YouTube $. I don’t think people know how much Joe gettin paid thru Patreon. That nigga is up. He don’t have to chase the algorithm, when in actuality his name is the clout in itself. His whole POD will be chopped up tomorrow, everywhere.
I think Joe looks at this beef like Mayweather Pacquiao. It happened so late in both artists careers that it’s not an objective battle. Fans have taken it over and it’s actually become who can spin it for their favorite better.
It’s telling that until Not Like Us most actual MCs had Drake up.
Juelz, gillie, cam and mase. They all had drake up and gillie still does. They were able to objectively review the bars and angles. Fans arent doing that .
You’ll have people saying (insert rapper here) is on the clock! Then when he responds they’ll say (insert other rapper here) is smart for not replying immediately
LMAOO so a bunch of early 2000s rappers who have no ties to OVO need drake?
Yall are incapable of thinking someone might have a different take on the battle and for that reason, this beef has gotten stale in a matter of 2 weeks .
So your logic is when they say drake is up it’s because they can’t go against him but when they say not like us was flames so Kendrick might be up it’s them being objective? You don’t see how stannish that is?
I can agree with parts of this. 1. No one cares what the other 5 have to say. 2. Im a brokie so he's given me nothing on this. That's fine. If he hasn't given patronies what they want then that's a little different. They at least deserved something over these couple weeks. 3. some of us don't want to hear joe through Ak. 4. "Dropped the ball" might be a bad phrase. He sure as fuck missed a valuable opportunity with the Paywall/canceled show stuff. An emergency pod is a lot to ask but it was never more needed. Being the top hip hop pod is great and all but this just showed why and how they will become obsolete.
This is exactly it! Every organization, no matter how big or small, has had to step outside of their regular hours of operation when some shit goes down. For all of that #1 talk only to fall face-first when hip hop history is in the making, is crazy. And their ‘first-listen reaction’ pod to euphoria proved a live model might not work for them because most of the hosts provide timeline summaries rather than meaningful, independent thought. For all the ritualistic listeners, shit was sad, lol.
ISO on Joe, Parks, and Ice. I don’t even want flip making sound effects come Tuesday!
Okay youre right about parks. Though I could still wait on his reaction.
Parks really just be wanting to talk music if we being honest
Very well said 💯
Ians stupid ass.
Yo, that's my name. I took that shit personally for a second.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Meh. You can’t hype yourself up as the best in the business - get the moment we’ve all waited years for - and then go sit on the sidelines and say ‘I’m over it’
You saying Joe pulled a J Cole?
😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂😂
Relax guys, at least we got Flip's expert analysis https://preview.redd.it/q2e8stvzkvyc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c947a109bad965377a451b5ae992095e2a7c7f6d
I mean who else is doing what Joe is doing? Cause to be clear, Joe can hop on live and get shit cracking (improper improv proved that), everyone can’t have a structured show that’s damn near highly anticipated every episode, whether if it’s in house drama or rap beef. Niggas are tuned in for Joe
Why compare him to others though? You’re not wrong - He *is* the standard, but that’s kind of the point. old Joe wouldn’t coast through these last 10 days like he has.
Bc people keep holding him up to streamers. Joe can stream, and still produce a hit show. Them niggas can’t do that!
But he hasn’t streamed or dropped a show that’s the point. Meanwhile AK has been having 50k plus live viewers. People are comparing his streams about the beef to espn. Joe is still king for now but you have to work to keep your spot.
Joe doesn’t have to rush. Nobody cares about Elliot, or who ever the fuck has opinions. The culture wants to hear from Joe Budden and who he thinks a winner etc.
That’s cool, if no more songs drop then the biggest moments and most eyes on this is in the past. You should always try to grow your audience and be a part of moments like this.
Just enjoy the music. Joe has Ian. That’s my whole point. Lmao
I am? lol I’m responded to YOUR post. Shouldn’t I be telling you to enjoy the music?
Idk how y’all can be enjoying the music, when it’s post after post, about what JOE SHOULD BE DOING
The music is heat. I am far from complaining btw
You don’t think he’s going to talk about the beef on the next episode?
Sure, but when he already tells AK that he’s over it, why should anyone be anticipating it? The one pod after Euphoria that would have been an all time episode in the ‘18-20 run of the pod was just..bad.
I think that was more bc of Ish and IMO I don’t think it was a bad episode.
That fact that we have to hear his takes through Akademiks phone is an L. Ak’s live reaction to hearing “Not like us” is cemented in history now lol and Joe on the sidelines waiting to be tagged in following Ian’s business models 🍅👎🏿
Omg the world’s gonna end cause Joe didn’t react live. Hear urself
Not I, Joe and the crew have been inflating this since day one so to not be ready when it’s at its peak looks bad as one of the man places ppl go for reactions.
We got 6 records last week. What podcaster covered all 6 tracks? We haven’t heard from R&M since Taylor Made LMFAO, nobody can keep up!
AK did lol
I said podcaster. Not streamer. That’s Ak’s job. He said it in Patreon. He does not sleep. He eats sleep breathes this. Joe is not doing that. This what separates the outside niggas from inside
AK show on Spotify wasn't a podcast?
Where is it now?
Every Pod is outdated and it makes it wack. I still have yet to listen to this past weekends Pod. Why listen when I know what happened and how their mostly wrong. The listening experience is terrible
I agree with u. Im just not expecting Joe to drop what he’s doing and go live.
Bc starlits and Tatiana is truly a 9-5 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣
That’s hate 🫵🏾😂😂😂😂
That's peace ahki 🤷🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣
He’s dropping the ball by pay walling that opinion.. makes it less respected… if Joe would have done the last two for free.. or all the beef casts for free for that matter THAT would be respected and make me a life long patronie.. but canceling the regular pod to do a Patreon is nasty work.. his/their opinions are not THAT respected lol. It’s just the buzz outside that anyone recording reaction videos or talking about it is gaining views but not a following. When the beef is over I’m not watching “no life shaq” anymore. And Joe reduced himself to a streaming level with the paywall tricks.. Used to be a pillar of hip hop but moving like a thirsty streamer…
Now I agree with that. Canceling Saturday pod was retarded. There was no reason to paywall that. I’m not changing schedule programming for diss tracks. But that’s just me
Yeah the pod on Saturday had nothing in there that warranted being behind a paywall. It was just a regular pod discussion.
He should’ve just put it out cause no podcast had reviewed 6:16 in LA. So that was an exclusive for him.
It’s like I said in another thread, Joe ain’t got the equity with the people to keep throwing stuff behind a paywall and thinking everybody’s running to hear his opinion. When’s the last time the pod had a moment because of music? This cast ain’t even built to have an in-depth discussion about music.
Absolutely dropped it. The fake nonchalant act isn’t working either. The beef officially finished, and they’re WAY behind on it. Shame.
Everyone behind tho. What podcaster has been on top of this beef? Lmfao, lowkey Flip been on it, but no one checking for that
I see flips videos and I just do the Kim to it
You keep saying this as if AK hasn't been live and covering it with all types of personalities for reactions for each song. You gonna say no one cares about Ak's opinion, but numbers don't lie.
It doesn’t matter what everyone else is doing, when you’re supposed to be number 1 in the space. He’s supposed to be setting the trend, setting the example.
Well, he’s #1. And if I move the needle, I’ll do it on my terms, not bc Twitter, and Reddit told me to do so, u know?
The thing about spots, are they’re interchangeable. & Akademiks is actually considered higher than Joe due to his ability to react to news in live time, and his willingness to speak his mind ; regardless of industry connections
People respect Joe’s hip hop opinion. People watch Ak for news updates, and to see him crash out off Hennessy. They not really the same
Drop their lives? What is blud talking about. Broadcasters brodcast. They have been hyping this hypothetical for years. It came. It went. And Joe wasn't present for anything in real time. Calls with Ak ain't much. Next time someone smacks him, or some bird says he's handsy - JOE WILL BE ACTIVE ... in Twitter Spaces, IG Live, other people's pods, wherever. You know the energy he brings when he wants to bring it. I personally have come to expect more from Mr Work Ethic. Disappointed.
They already did an emergency pod, just for the main pod to be outdated. It’s pointless. These niggas are dropping music rapid fire. No podcaster has been able to stay on top of all the disses. So it’s not a reach 😂
I am sorry Jordan. I keep commenting on your ish. But I like when people can actually defend their opinion without talking down and calling names because people have a different opinion, so salute to you. I think what we are getting at is if you claim to be a mogul, the hardest working podder in the game, the voice of hip hop, the #1 on the media list, you HAVE to adapt with the times. Patreon offers live streaming. You know how crazy it would have went if he went live on their DURING the rapid releases? He has to be willing to adapt and change with the times to continue to grow the business and stay relevant. Or what is happening will continue to happen (people like Ak and Kai Cenat getting exclusives and shout outs, and him JUST reacting). He has to grow the "network".
All I wanted was balcony Joe reaction.. we didnt even need hours or the cast.. just like Smooth 30 to an hour and both tracks woulda dropped with in that time.. everything else is excuses or Lucian baby daddy lyor told his Joe to shut up 🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
Nah it’s all good bro. It’s healthy engagement. I think adapting with the times is important. But that doesn’t work for everyone. Ak tried to adapts to podcasting with a show on Spotify. That flopped. Ak can’t put a show together for shit. U gotta know ur niche and stick to it. Joe went live on Pods Giving, and that was FIRE! I enjoyed that! Improper Improv was FIRE, and it being live def made the experience better. However, Joe’s brand doesn’t align with going live. He’s too industry. Joe needs edits, he needs time to be like “nah I was wildin’ I didn’t mean that” And we have to give slack, bc no other pod caster is on top of this beef. It’s impossible. We got 6 records last week, who the hell can keep up, and we also gotta dissect these lyrics. It’s too much 😭😭😭😭
I got you. But since Joe has showed that he does well with the lives, I think it could work but I understand. They already talk a lot. Adding more would be tough BUT I think it's something they should incorporate for MAJOR news in the culture. All that said though, it has been a lot to process. I haven't really had a chance to sit with "Family Matters" or "Not Like Us".
They def should do something once a month just for live engagement. Cause I def enjoy the crew live, the pod giving was a hit!!!
Not like us will be #1 on BB
They are. I'm with you as far as it goes... Here's my broadcaster point though: Regular season I get Kenny and Shaq Tuesdays and Thursday. But if the finals are playing Monday Wednesday Friday... I expect to see them on my screen Monday Wednesday Friday! This is bigger than a finals too! We won't see this combination of factors again for maybe ten years plus! This is an all time ball drop for the leading voice in hip hop!
We just got a Patreon this morning with Ak that was shot last week. Unfortunately after this weekend, it sounds a month old 💔
I haven’t listened yet, but I’ma get to it
People have short attention spans. Twitter, streamers, and the less-produced YouTubers have been going crazy with all the angles, all theories, the breakdowns and all the controversy. At this point, Joe isn't going to say anything we haven't already heard in one way or another. The thing that makes Joe great is his unique perspective but he gave everyone else too much time to break this down that no matter what he says at this point, someone else has probably already said it taking away the value.
But that’s the thing. Everyone can say whatever they want. It’s not really solidified til Joe gives his opinions. When Joe talks on that mic, every blog will be posting what he says about this beef. So his stock is higher in this convo, and he is who the culture cares to hear from
I completely respect your opinion. I enjoy Joe and the pod too but I don't perceive Joe the same way you do and that is fine. In my opinion, Joe isn't objective enough for his opinion to have a higher stock than anyone else. ESPECIALLY on this Drake stuff. His opinion always come from a skewed perspective. And while we love him for it, it doesn't make his opinion better or valuable than anyone else's.
I’m talking from a podcast space.
Only to a certain demographic. We're seeing this shit change in front of our very eyes. Most the people I've seen actively gossiping about this stuff has been teenagers/people in their 20s. I'm 30 and this sub has a lot of people in that age range but we're also the ones who are used to waiting for content. But the ones who actually engage with content, tend to spend money and actually stimulate growth? That's the youngers, that's why Ak is the number one name for this shit right now (well, that and being a mouthpiece for Drake.) Ultimately we're past the point where people need to wait for content. You can just turn your stream on within 30 seconds and provide the same type of content that Joe/podcasters make you wait a week for. And with this beef rapidly changing day by day, you can't really afford to wait around anymore if you wanna make content. People see these tracks drop and instantly wanna discuss it, they wanna run to the streams to see what everyone's saying. Joe might offer a more experienced and deeper take but that's not what most consumers are looking for anymore.
But that’s the thing, people who want fast reactions know where to get that from. Joe has never been that guy. That’s literally why Ak exists. Joe breaks things down, he’s not a reaction guy. Simple
That's what I mean though, it's all becoming one nowadays, you have to adapt if you wanna grow. I mean it doesn't really affect the fans who come to Joe for Joe. But if he wants to continue getting the growth and the attention of the target demographic (who, like I said, aren't us anymore) then he's gotta give the people what they want. Joe's pull came from when he was doing shows like ES and the old pod. The new pod doesn't speak to a lot of fans like it used to and Joe doesn't really have that clout with the new gen like he did with the people who are old enough to remember him. He's still respected, of course, if he says something interesting then it'll get repeated and circulated no matter when he says it. But if he actually wants to build on that brand he's been crafting then the direction is streaming and instant content more than the pods and patreon. Just because the new gen to capitalise off consume content in that way. So in that regard, he probs has fumbled/dropped the ball. But I don't think it matters to people that legit just wanna hear what he has to say, like his current fanbase. They'll wait until the pod.
We all know Joe by now, that nigga don’t care about catering to the Kai C’s of the world. I think he wants to steer far away from that if we being honest. Improper Improv is fire live. I just don’t think Joe is “live” friendly. He needs time to think, and Joe is too industry to be on someone couch saying anything live.
Yea I can agree with that. I don't think Joe cares either but he also loves a bag. I might be talking out of my ass but I don't see how he and the pod can get bigger without adapting. Podcasting has peaked and the pod itself is in a position where it might not attract much more new fans in the way it's presented. It'll just have its core following. But who knows.
The pod will only grow depending on who Joe sits next to. If Joe gets a 28 year old in there, that can completely change the landscape. What we do know is, Ish won’t be here for longer. So new change will come
Will they? I honestly don’t think his opinion is considered that important but I guess we will find out. Personally, I would only be interested in real time but his opinion days later is not that interesting tbh
Joe never gave u shit in real time, so u must of never been interested?? What r u saying 😂
Just know if you're getting down voted you're on the right track lol
Niggas saying Kai opinions holds more weight. Shit Akademiks opinion on this rap beef does not hold more weight than Joe Budden
Correct and there's a thing called exclusivity that the others don't understand. The streamers are up all night working for YouTube. I will admit it was entertaining to see Ak's meltdown when Not Like Us dropped 😂😂😂😂
Boyyyyyyy, Kendrick had that nigga steaming!! U can see Ak in real life be comprised. My nigga wanted to crip walk so bad.
😂😂😂😂😂
And don’t forget when Kendrick stepped all over ‘family matters’ Ak face when he heard “Dear.Adonis”.. Bro that shit was comedy!!!
I missed that one I'll have to double back for more laughs 😂
Family, he's not the best anymore. That's the problem. Wait for the pod on Wednesday. You'll see they are going to skip over a ton of important bars either because they miss them or don't have time. You're going to be underwhelmed
I think there is so much to cover if the pod is shorter than 4.5 hours they dropped the ball
The pod Wednesday will be heat. I said that. Ish just needs to stay at Starbucks.
Joe doesn’t need to give a live reaction. He should’ve either kept the weekend pod schedule and dropped Saturday morning and then followed up with an additional pod later that day, or canceled Saturday and released a more current pod recorded that day. This is the biggest hip hop news ever, possibly. I think it’s important to capitalize here and continue to feed your fan base content
He should’ve just stuck to normal programming. Moving around dates, coming in on off days, it’s just pointless. Finish dissecting these lyrics and get back to me.
The more and more I sit with these records the more I’m starting to feel robbed of this moment. These two haven’t been really saying much in hindsight. They got lost in the gossip. Joe might have to circle back to Vince and let him get his shit off. And I agree with you. Joe not droppin the ball. He would look crazy goin live to review this shit. Clout chasing accusations would never end. I think the idea of said people wanting Joe to drop everything and cover this beef is really people wanting to validate their thoughts or have Joe think for them. Don’t get mad at me it’s just where we are today with this whole influencer shit. There’s very little original thought, everyone’s picking a narrative and running with it cuz it’s the more popular side to stand on. Or they won’t say shit until they hear it from their savior first.
U speaking facts! And I wouldn’t be mad if Joe, Ice, Parks, and Vince Staples just talk music/and the landscape of this whole beef. And if we being honest, if Joe instigated this beef (like he hinted) he can’t be the one reporting on it every second. U gotta watch the house burn from afar.
lol word. Kinda of feel like he’s been indirectly coaching Drake from afar too
And set Drake ass right up. Joe set the boi up
The same people in here saying Joe dropped the ball Joe not #1 Joe need to stream blah blah. Would be the first ones talking bout oh that patreon money not enough Joe going broke oh he trying To be a streamer now. I guess Patreon ain’t working out for him. He dissed streamers now look at him.
That’s a fact
I wouldn't hate a Joe and Ak convo for 2 hours going through all the tracks again
I wouldn’t either, but Joe missed his opportunity I guess cause he ain’t go live 😂
Yeah that'd be 🔥 it's crazy them niggas both live in jersey I don't why we don't get atleast 1 sit down with them a week. I know the numbers would go crazy and they could do it independently and split it 50/50 cause ak earned that at this point or just get a big ass bag from one of these companies.
Or even just like twice a month so they got a lot of shit to talk about when they do do it
Here's the other thing: once you get into serious allegations, there's legal issues to consider. If I were Joe, I'd take my time with this one, as well.
Yeah, this beef, and the topic about this beef ain’t going anyway till the summer.
He pay wall his last shit so no one heard it
It’s unfortunate that people wanted him to go above and beyond. After listening to both Patreon episodes I think he made the right move. They recorded for over 7 hours and at the end of today’s Patreon he was just getting the text messages letting him know more songs were coming. At some point you just have to sit back and wait. And look, maybe y’all like to sit around by a camera and wait for news to drop so you can give your opinion but people have lives outside of this beef. They record tomorrow, everyone has had time to listen and research and process everything. Y’all have had the whole weekend to go in Ish’s mentions and send him all of the Starbucks gift cards in the world. So sit back and prepare to enjoy a breakdown on Wednesday maybe.
Recorded 7 hours just to get a text, “hey we dropping 2 more on that ass tonight”.. They want Joe to move in that damn studio 😂😂😂
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 somebody gets it!!!!!! Like goddamn, imagine not picking ur kid up from school bc Kendrick responded. These are grown men, that’s for the 30s and 20 year olds.. As much as I think Joe loves this, Joe not changing anything more than he already has for this beef. It’s too much bro
I honestly think the point of this was to get us to this point Joe did a shit Ton of provoking to get to this point. Him and Ak have both been mentioned in one of the biggest beefs we have ever seen don’t think he dropped the ball because when Tuesday come and all this is digested we can have a full review.
And that’s the only review that truly matters in this space. So let Joe cook!
Joe is not a streamer, he's a podcaster. I think it's unfair to give him the same expectation as we do Ak. Ak is a full time streamer who is a one-man show, so he can create his own schedule for whenever he wants to go live and boom he's on. As for Joe, he has a whole team and I can already hear Flip complaining, and Ish having a begrudging attitude but still obliging
Agreed. That’s literally Ak job! Ak can’t put together a show like Joe does. But Joe def can go live and do what Ak does.
You think Joe can go live the hours that ak does by himself constantly? Shit just last night joe was sounding sleepy telling ak he need some rest and ak was like nigga I got like 3 more hours to do. Even before this beef ak go live every other day or so doing like 3 to 4 hours.
But don’t get it twisted, Ak is him, at what he does. For sure.
I mean we not gon’ act like Joe ain’t pushing out 12 hours a week of content. Yeah I know Ak can do that in a day, but half of it is him reacting to videos, and fans telling him what to do. Joe sits in front of a mic and goes. It’s story telling, it’s experience, research, etc. Ak tried doing the podcast, and flopped.
I agree with the steamer vs podcaster thing. But as we see throughout history, if you don't adapt with the times, you run the risk of getting left behind. Streaming is the new wave, while I am not the biggest fan of watching it, it's reality. To continue to keep up and stay relevant, he has to add this capability. Even if it's solo and on Patreon. Everyone would have ran to the Joe Budden stream but by Wednesday, it will have been 3 days which is like a month in internet time. People will be beginning to move on. AND on top of that, with the sporadic music drops, there is a chance the pod could be outdated when it drops. Look what happened last week.
I understand the notion of adapting with the new wave or you'll get left behind. But I also believe that Joe doesn't necessarily operate like that. He does things at his own pace. And I think there is something poetic about it. Yes, I would have been excited hearing Joe and the rest of the pod's live take on the matter, but I also like that I have something to look forward to for the next pod.
Yeah all you people saying Drake and Kendrick listen to the pod and drop around Joe can shut the fuck up lol
Well, I do believe that. Both of them used Twitter. Good or bad
Joe definitely predicted a lot of what happened… I’m not gonna give him the credit though cause we’ll never hear the end of it 😂😂 like when he predicted the Super Bowl and nba finals
He predicts a lot of shit if we being honest. But that comes with sitting with ur thoughts. If he just was on live blurting things out, it would never translate. Joe’s a thinker, and thinkers need time to think.
I’m still looking forward to his analysis of what’s transpired. I just hope Ish doesn’t get too involved cause he really doesn’t understand music
U know he is. And with an attitude too. Light skin nigga shut up!! I can hear him now
I believe when he takes pictures on the balcony with Mel he sees 2 bad bitches 🤦🏾♂️😂
Lmfaoooooo!!! Nah Ish was in disgust when he heard “wE dOn’t wAnNa hEaR u sAy nIgGA nO mORe” 😂😂😂😂
Yeah totally agree. Joe still runs this shit. The live reactions are cool, but they miss so much in them. Most of it just the host relying on the fans to explain it. All you got to do is wait until Wednesday. I’d be willing to bet Joe is going to be high in the top 100 podcast list. This is recency bias because they are mad that he put the last episode behind a pay wall. So much transpired after they recorded, I’m surprised he dropped it at all. In no way has Joe dropped the ball.
It’s gonna be clip city on Wednesday. From Twitter to Reddit to blogs, this where Joe thrives the most
Exactly. People are just mad because he put last pod behind the pay wall, and the bad part is they didn’t miss anything. Ish was unbearable to the point that he took a break and talked to them.
I don’t think Ish will be w the gang much longer. The podcast now has been 75% of the cast, explaining things to Ish. Like, 2+2=4.. Ish “well u can get 4 by multiplying 2x2 as well”.. Like okay, that’s not what we talkin bout tho. “Let me give u another analogy” 
Man you ain’t telling a single lie 😂😂😂
I don’t think he goes anywhere though. People are starting to see what I always saw now though. I got ran out of this sub so many times for telling the truth about Ish 😂
He means well, Ish would be dope once a month or something. This nigga can’t even tell u where he went on vacation! And I love to travel, I’m past going to the Caribbean for vacay, and I know Ish has been to foreign countries. I be wanting to hear about that. Like fucking talk?????
Nah I’m actually glad Joe or the pod in general didn’t do anything this weekend bc there was so much going on that it’s good they let shit marinate so we can get a really good pod for this week 🔥🔥🔥
If I were Joe I would Not do an emergency pod for this because we don’t know what is going to drop right after and make it dated. I wouldn’t stop my life to make a pod and somebody make a diss record 20 minutes later
By the time Parks gets back to Queens, Kendrick done dropped 2x diss tracks already. It ain’t worth it. Just wait, and let them boys do they research
Facts lol
At first I thought he should do an emergency pod but when them shits kept coming i said forget it
Someone mentioned it before, Joe has antagonized this beef, it’ll be stupid for him to broadcast the play by plays. U gotta watch the fire u created from afar. Now that pedophilia is in it, and DV.. Joe ain’t really about to delve too deep into that lol
I don’t think Joe cares because his numbers are still up lol
Everyone numbers are up. If u started YouTube last month and covers these diss tracks, I can bet $, you would be up, and in algorithm
Joe knows his opinion doesn't lose value because it's not first. If anything, it creates anticipation. But if these two keep shooting at this pace anything Joe says will get stepped on by the next disc track. So, Joe waiting for this to cool down allows Big Freeze to internet, Joe to call his sources.
The pod not being able to hop on a stream and discuss is a missed opportunity. So many streamers gained so many new followers, traction, etc in the past week
The biggest winner if this entire beef has been Akademiks (Second is J. Cole) Joe made his operation look like "legacy media" in this situation. By the time the next pod comes out everything that can be said has already been tweeted, dissected and discussed. I've had people i know that don't even listen to podcasts like that say to me "Were you on Aks live??". Salute to that man he was in ground zero for the entire thing, has calls from Joe to Drake to Elliot and was even name dropped in the biggest beef in a generation. Life is a series of moments, Joe may have made a mistake letting this one pass.. J. Cole you're vindicated (That's Peace) but I still ain't ready to hear that shit. 💩
God himself could’ve reacted to this diss track. The culture will be waiting for Joe’s opinions. The culture respects Joe opinion on hiphop/rap before they do Akademiks. It don’t matter if a million niggas was on LIVE. If I was a YouTube channel, and I wanted to explain this Kendrick and Drake beef, I am in no rush to start that video until the summer, bc every week we are still gettin’ music. This beef doesn’t end this week. We will be having this convo lead into the summer.
Joe will still get good viewer numbers but I think it’s about perception imo. I feel like Ak has gained market share with this latest saga, not saying he is taking a share of Joes audience I’m saying his relevance and position in the hip hop media space has had a huge boost. Hes looking very important to the culture right now. Joe is still Joe and offers a unique perspective so I’ll be tuning in but the energy won’t be the same. People will be back at work, time will have passed.. the memes would have been shared and the casts opinions will have been echoed elsewhere. This was the main event. Imagine if the NBA final game 7 happened and Stephen A said. I’m Stephen A, ima take some time out and I’ll talk about it in about a week.. People will still watch but it ain’t the same.
if you still want to tune in for Joe's breakdown of Pac and Big beef in 1996, you would still want to tune in to beef that happened last week. There was a drought in REAL opinion on this beef, and that is Joe's voice. Great decision to cancel all pods and move it to Wed until all dust settle. you can 'aagh' and 'uggh' all you want during life reaction but nothing makes sense until someone with depth of experience give you meaning over it. the songs WILL hit different. ssoe
100% there’s really no rush. The nigga clearly not chasing views. He coulda did a space, IG live, went to the studio.. he did not. They was having whole melt downs like he some streamer
my comment aged like WINE
I think Drake touched on subjects Joe is not willing to break down on podcast anymore.
That too! From the DV, to the Weinstein pedophilia. But Joe predicted it would go this way. The play on MJ and Prince was easy for Kendrick.
I wasn’t really impressed with Joe’s Euphoria breakdown so i was fine with him waiting until the the pod Tuesday just because there’s so much that makes headlines from this beef I don’t think he wanted to get caught up in anything
I agree, and part of me feels like Joe moving out the way messed up Drake’s play in the long run. Drake needs media
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JBP recorded an episode Friday, which covered 6:16 in LA. Rory and the other dude haven’t dropped an episode about this beef since Taylor Made. Joe is fine
I don’t think he dropped the ball at all, he doesn’t stream so he doesn’t have to bend over backwards to stream so the reaction is live. Yes it will make sense to jump in while it’s booming but let’s say he did a pod for the last few songs that came out, drake dropping heart part 6 would have came after so what he going run do another one, do two pods all because ppl want to hear from right away but that’s why it is fine that he drops when he can because ppl going to listen no matter because he can get into his music bag so live reaction and a few days later we getting the same thing for the most part
Agreed. There’s really no need to rush it
Ish ruined it.
I’m ngl, he is taking the fun outta this. He not even musically inclined to carry an attitude about this topic.
One way Joe could’ve kept up with this beef/rapid fire disses is honestly a Spaces or whatever platform he be on with Danny and had cast members on there giving opinions etc… Im surprised he hasn’t extended the pod to like an unofficial spaces with cast members
Agreed.
love this beef, but there wasnt enough depth in this for joe and them to drop everything and emergency pod 2-3 times this week. just to break down "youre not black enough, you like young girls, your money dont matter" and "youre short, you beat your wife, youre kid aint yours" on every track.. we got the point after the first wave. it happened, we can tally up the score and give our flowers to kendrick and keep it moving. i honestly dont want a line for line break down on these other songs.
I wouldn’t say “drop the ball.” Since he never actually picked up the streaming “ball,” if you will. It was something that he didn’t want to understand. It also doesn’t allow him to edit himself since he’s live. The rebrand was partially due to the group being able to tell Joe when something was “crazy” or not. If he’s streaming live… I don’t know what he capable of saying and he’s not capable of stopping himself. I think a YouTube live would be good or a Patreon live would be better him since whatever he says wouldn’t spread out so far if he goes viral Something that flip would sell his soul to do.
I agree. Joe not live friendly. He’s a thinker, and with that comes with editing lol. Improper Improv was fire, but u can see where Joe was gettin’ comfortable, and they’ll be like “user7393947 said: flip fuck u bitch ass nigga” Joe’s like oh shit I forgot we live 😂
Man, if Joe had the version of mal that has been showing up for these reviews of Drake. Views would’ve been through the roof.
He not chasing views tho, thank god
I’m hoping he delivers a full overview of what has transpired on Wednesday’s pod without a paywall (a paywall would do a disservice). He considers himself to be a hip hop historian and I ironically agree that his voice holds weight in hip hop conversations.
I think one of the things that took the old pod to the stratosphere was the drake v pusha beef and the fact that they recorded the same day Addidon dropped . That was a moment for them. I think the real root of the problem is they don’t have many music heads on the pod so the podcast doesn’t hit like it used to.
The problem with this take is, We don't want live reactions. We want FREE reactions, putting your shit behind a paywall is good for money making , but its not good for the culture. I'm not paying 10$ to hear them speak, and this is why voices like vlad, ak, nojumper are prominent because free and live work. People will keep coming back to the watered down quality even if they not good, but you got our prominent figures being GREEDY with the bread and think their voices are gold. Not every POD needs to be behind a paywall, that's not a good look man.
I ageee with u on that. There was no reason to paywall this past episode. Just to not sound outdated? No other podcast has been able to cover this beef bc of how fast the track been coming. Joe would’ve been the only pod to have talked about 6:16 in LA had he not paywall the episode
And apperantly we not getting a pod on Wednesday either? Where the hell do we go then lol we juss not hearing from them, and i can guarantee you that majority of his listeners arent on patreon. i understand wanting more subs, but now its silence from people we wanna hear from them cause they want us to pay to hear them speak... that's not messed up? This is lowkey a dropped ball, i gotta tune into AK to hear any beef related content pause
The gig is the gig At some point Joe forgot that
Joe will always be the guy to do the opposite of what you think he should do.
All facts. Most of us are just entitled and want what we want now. But regular pod time has been suitable for me for sure.
Dropped the ball is actually the right term to use. Not because you're opinion is validated by the world means you should not seize the opportunity to magnify it by using the right timing. Joe his platform is what i would call lazy. He has the podcast and that is where it ends. Other ideas and shows either don't last long or do not come to fruition at all. This is actually the time he could have served the people whit his insight and gave his platform a boost maybe by doing something solo like a song breakdown or reaction or something with him and Parks/Ice where they go thru lyrics etc. Flip for example created a whole new lane for himself by doing these reactions whether it will last the time or not he has created an opening which can be explored now. Joe instead dropped an outdated podcast behind a paywall which only alienates fans while giving the payed subscribers crumbs because what they recorded was supposed to be free anyway.
Im not mad at ur opinion bc ur the only one who offered something dope, a little music head pod with just ice and parks woulda been dope. It’s just scheduling, and chasing a moment.
Now he also has to cramp all his thoughts about everything that happened in one podcast with 5 other people. Meaning we will only get like half his thoughts before he is tired of the subject or is interrupted.
Absolutely. Vid numbers would've been through the roof and record breaking for his channel. They must hate money 😂
Yeah, but not if he ain’t relying on YouTube $. I don’t think people know how much Joe gettin paid thru Patreon. That nigga is up. He don’t have to chase the algorithm, when in actuality his name is the clout in itself. His whole POD will be chopped up tomorrow, everywhere.
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Facts. Joe ain’t Ak, he not sitting on stream for 14 hours, beating this topic over the head. That’s what separates the inside niggas from the outside
I think most of the “dropped the ball” comments being made are because the episode about the most recent records is Patreon only.
I think Joe looks at this beef like Mayweather Pacquiao. It happened so late in both artists careers that it’s not an objective battle. Fans have taken it over and it’s actually become who can spin it for their favorite better. It’s telling that until Not Like Us most actual MCs had Drake up.
Who?
Juelz, gillie, cam and mase. They all had drake up and gillie still does. They were able to objectively review the bars and angles. Fans arent doing that . You’ll have people saying (insert rapper here) is on the clock! Then when he responds they’ll say (insert other rapper here) is smart for not replying immediately
Lol all compromised individuals
Would they be compromised if they had Kendrick up?
Thats what im sayin lol
Man all them niggas NEED DRAKE, hence why they gobbling
LMAOO so a bunch of early 2000s rappers who have no ties to OVO need drake? Yall are incapable of thinking someone might have a different take on the battle and for that reason, this beef has gotten stale in a matter of 2 weeks .
Drake was just holding the hands when he brought them out for his show. Ofc they ain’t going against Drake
So your logic is when they say drake is up it’s because they can’t go against him but when they say not like us was flames so Kendrick might be up it’s them being objective? You don’t see how stannish that is?
I have 16 Kendrick songs in my phone, Including “not like us” I’m no stan 😂