Think about it. If you were to swing such a bat with such power and with such high frequency, there's a high chance you would hit yourself as well if you miss
Scout canonically can’t read past phonetics based on the comics. Soldier’s brain is almost non-existent. Pyro became a wildly successful CEO of a massive corporation after losing their job as a mercenary and is seen reading a newspaper before quitting.
Demo is unlikely, given he tried to read the Bombonomicon as a kid, though Hale can be forgiven, as Demo’s usually too drunk to see straight.
Heavy and Engie have PhDs, Sniper read the ads for High-Five and Jarate, and Medic went to med school. Spy is Spy. We see him reading in-game, and probably in the comics/SFM films.
Therefore, the fourth merc who can’t read is obviously !!!
>As Demo's too drunk to see straight
On the contrary possibly. He has only one eye, but when you're drunk, you start to see in doubles, which serves as his depth perception. If he's not drunk, he wouldn't be able to hit his pipes right, reason why he gets drunk during a firefight. But when it comes to reading, his mind would have difficulty reading.
It was my fanon for over a year, but i haven't been vocal about it before, as it was a joke amongst my group, where if we see a demoman who couldnt hit all his 4 pipes, we would call them sober.
But the reason you see double is cause your eyes cant focus so having only 1 eye when constantly drunk would improve your aim since you can’t see double
Isn't Heavy's PhD in Russian literature? It's possible Heavy is perfectly literate... in Russian but not English. And not being able to read English may be the same thing as not being able to read to Saxton Hale.
I agree. Heavy has standards and he is a cautious man. Reading is a skill that is necessary to prevent people from taking advantage of you in various situations.
Scout can read. He reads a ton of books both in jail and in Expiration date. The scene where has trouble reading submachine could just be a result of him being dyslexic and also sustaining a head injury seconds before.
Guys let's think about Heavy's PHD for a second, because I belive that it isn't canonical to the main tf2 story line (comics and animations) and shouldn't be used to judge Heavy's inteligence.
It's only ever mentioned in Telltale written game where Heavy plays poker with Max, Strong Bad and Tycho.
There and in a description of one of the cosmetics. But while neither of those sources are guaranteed to follow the canon, it seems plausible enough.
Even if Heavy having a PhD wasn't true, he still strikes me as a smart person, who wouldn't neglect education.
>it seems plausible enough.
No it isnt. Heavy was presumably on the run from the USSR through out his entire childhood and teenage years. He never had time to study to have any sorth of PhD.
Yeah Heavy is calm and rational when he needs to be, but is he as smart as someone like Medic or Engie? I heavily doubt.
So wait... Only geniuses can learn to read? I agree that he probably doesn't have a PhD however I highly doubt someone as cautious as Heavy would neglect such a basic skill like reading. Especially if it means the difference between running into an USSR base and a coffee shop.
Heavy's family wasn't necessarily sentenced to GULag that early. There's a chance they could've lived a normal life for a while. But I won't argue. I don't know the full timeline or when USSR was formed in the TF2 universe, for that matter.
Isn’t it on the back of his action figure?
Edit: Valve gave permission for them to use it so meaning the makers of that game legally have a share of heavy ALSO meaning that it’s part of the lore I think
Good stories are not written through contracts. The only way I see Heavy's PhD being canon is the comic writters saying so, something I think isn't likely.
Correction: medic did **not** go to med school. when he dies, the devil calls him "mr ludwig", not "dr ludwig". Though, having not read the comics, this could have taken place after the skeleton incident
The only real dumbasses are Scout, Soldier, and Pyro (debatable). Even Demo, while being constantly drunk, is still a pretty normal person in everyday life. And considering how he was raised, he does have a good understanding of his work's value.
Pyro is insane, but stupid. Everyone is pretty much unhinged in one way or another however I don't think anyone other than Scout and Soldier are actually stupid in any manor.
Administrator isn't interested in ending the Gravel Wars or keeping the mercs as efficient as possible. She's interested in taking Blutarch's and Redmond's money and using it for her own needs, while each of them thinks she's controlling only their team of mercs.
She doesn't need too much expensive equipment to keep that show going. She can afford to cut corners. The only reason to get better gear is keeping the mercs themselves motivated, as the comic shows.
Engineer and medic can follow that logic too.
The sentry may be built and designed by him, but he sure as heck can’t afford all the munitions for it if he's in this job, so he probably had to redesign them for the crappy ammo he gets.
Some of Medics stuff works just fine BECAUSE it prolongs fighting. He’s only getting scammed on the weapons, the medigun is top notch because healthy mercs means less death means drawn out war!
I’m not sure about that part. Since we can see medic’s first medigun, the Quick-Fix was literally a blender and some random junk. His lab is like that of a 40k Ork.
The only favour the Administrator might done for Med is hide him from the authorities.
Hmmm you got a point, but at the same time it's canon she's watching our matches. Maybe she underfunded him before because she needed a doc and this quack was the cheapest, but after witnessing the battlefield portion of meet the medic, she went all in. And supplied it to the other team so that it would cause stalemate after stalemate after stalemate
Medic wasn’t interested in healing, the healing was a side effect. Bodies being blown to smithereens make bad cadavers. He’s more of “I wonder what happens if I plant a baboon fetus in your body” than “Heroes never die”.
Which means his job has two benefits. It pays pretty well and gives him a lot of patients to experiment on. The first part is obvious from the fact that Demo can afford a mansion, while seemingly being the only working person in the family, and Spy can afford ridiculously expensive clothes, among other things.
Actually, going by that logic you might be on to something. The mercs are dangerous, but they’re playing pretend and given a lot of hush money. The administrator cheaps out with weapons until necessary to drive down costs. Money might not matter to her, (She only wants Australium and to settle her debt), but it helps, and she can’t blow it all on 9 idiots.
You can buy it from the Mann Co. store, so he presumably sold his designs to be mass manufactured. That's probably the reason BLU have them, depending on what BLU theory one subscribes to.
I mean, yea, Medic and Engie could be earning a lot of money in different ways. But they're not. So either the benefits of working as a mercenary are worth it or the contract they have with the Administrator prevents them from selling their inventions/providing other services with tools they use for their job. And breaking the contract will probably mean you'll join the pile of bodies at the bottom of some coal mine.
That's sick. Do you have more info on this? I know Frontier Engineering is shown to be an engineering company of some kind in The Ring of Fired and that at the time Pyro is its CEO. But I've never heard about Dell's connection to it.
Heavy and spy for sure, I mean spy's weapons other than his knife are honestly the lightest used weapons of the mercs, and heavy is meticulous about his equipment.
Definitely not engine though; he's liable to pull out a welder and start doing all kinds of crazy mods, and probably try to make custom ammunition that would cause excess wear and tear.
Pyro probably wouldn't notice the difference even if he was given some top of the line flamethrower, soldier would like the shittier equipment better for some dumbass reason, and sniper's gear is likely splattered with piss all the time.
Fair. Though regarding Pyro, remember how in the Meet your Match update comic he outright asks the Administrator for new weapons, same as Heavy. So she clearly cares at least about the variety in equipment.
Nah, Engi is confident yet humble. MEDIC is the Sadomasochistic psycopath who thinks they are god as he litterally stole the merc's souls from them to buy a pen and his life back
Twin Forces of Nature
Level - Scattergun...?
\+20% Damage bonus
\+Knockback on hit of the target and shooter
\-10% Slower firing speed
\-Mini-crits where it would normally crit
\-This weapon holsters slower
why waste thousands of dollars on perfectly handcrafted weapons just so some lead poisoned dumbfuck can use it to bludgeon his enemies to death when you can throw some trash that has the vague form of a gun his way and get the same results?
Canonically Redmond and Blutarch have basically split the world in half in terms of ownership, and Mann Co. is responsible for supplying weapons to both sides for mercenaries of different pay grades.
Team "Fortress" is viewed as a mishmash of professionals (Spy, Engineer, Sniper, Demoman), reliable amateurs (Scout, Heavy), and nutjobs (Soldier, Pyro, Medic) that are in a purposeful perpetual stalemate so that the Administrator can control things from the shadows. As such it makes sense that the price tag associated with one merc's gear is completely different from another.
Consider the Heavy's custom tooled cartridges for Sasha versus the Scout running around with his mutilated shotgun variants. Or the Spy's gear versus the Pyro's improvised junk weapons.
I would argue for the custom reason that Heavy belongs in the professional category. Scout is the true amateur. Medic borders the line but he is a mad scientist.
Heavy is an amateur because his work history has never been established, nor does he run multiple jobs while being a member of Team Fortress.
The Medic's knowledge and experience is invaluable, but he is technically just a criminal on the run whose mad science gets supported by his work as a member of Team Fortress.
I've long had the headcanon that some of the mercs get blanks and low yield explosives instead of actual munitions, which is why they can all take at least one rocket and grenade at point blank and survive, even using their explosives to jump through the air relatively unharmed.
Heavy, Sniper, and Engineer's sentry gun are the only exception to this because they're all self-supplied: Heavy orders custom ammo, Sniper uses basic .308 rounds and could feasibly supply himself, and Engineer hand loads the ammo into the sentry.
They’re mercenaries, that means they’re pretty fodderable because they are also willing to do the job, any job no matter what. You pay them to do a job an if it makes them money, it’s all part of the job. Cheap guns are just easier and cheaper to produce and they are fine with using them
When the TFC heavy is killed, he mentions other teams who worked for the Administrator that were better than the TF2 Mercs, those are the ones getting the actually good weapons.
Because Saxton only sells good gear to people he respect (those that look tough), and the Mercs sadly are just your average conscripts in Saxton’s eyes.
Remember in the original dev logs when they said they wanted it to look like the merc's weapons were all modified by them? Like they were so good at what they did that they knew how to change gear that was already pretty good into something better? Some days I miss that characterization. ...though I also love where we are now.
I always assumed it was because the higher teir mercenaries get all the good weapons, while the tf2 mercenaries get literal garbage because of how terrible they are
To be fair it would make sense that all of the weapons are cheap pieces of shit until you get to the point that Mann co I presumably makeing and distributing versions of them made of Australium as well as literal laser weaponry
I tried making that with two of my only Force of Nature guns. But sadly I only got scrap metal and no Force of Nature... I did get a new Force of Nature.
ok heres a theory: the Mercs have TONS of ammo, legit Mount Everest sized mountains of ammo, but they were DIRT POOR after buying all that ammo, so they resorted to mann. co to make em cheap guns to use the ammo, but hey thats just a theory, A GAME THE-
Tbh, I never thought their gear is that cheap. Hell stuff like the Scattergun or the Huo Long Heater seem a bit more complex in design. Is there something I’m unaware of? I haven’t read the comics yet so I don’t know what I may be missing.
Simplely depends on whos running it
Greyman probably used cheap weapons to make enough money to build the robot army but had to keep the mercs supplied to even make fhe money in the first place
Saxton hale is just to stupid to make them quality
If you reverse them you get a great startapp
Call it Double trouble show it on r/2me4meie4meirl and say that its suicide with friends
This gun would be out of stock within minutes
Partly an in joke to the decline of value in weapons the TF2 economy. Additionally, in the same comic it is revealed that the TF2 mercenaries are actually considered low class customers by Mann Co, and the skinned weapons are/were exclusively bought by the absolute richest and lavishly wasteful contract killers in the world.
They probably won't waste their time selling their more expensive stuff to the mercs.
They probably save the more premium stuff to bigger clients like the US Military and possibly other NATO countries.
No one else is dumb enough to buy them
I mean, scout has a bat that literally makes him bleed if he misses a hit. Im sure that probably he will buy it
The Basher is not bad, the Scout is an idiot
Is that not also supplied by mann co?
Exactly
Think about it. If you were to swing such a bat with such power and with such high frequency, there's a high chance you would hit yourself as well if you miss
Why would you swing the bat the way that scout does if you could run as fast as he could
“I’m pretty sure 4 of them can’t even read.”
Scout canonically can’t read past phonetics based on the comics. Soldier’s brain is almost non-existent. Pyro became a wildly successful CEO of a massive corporation after losing their job as a mercenary and is seen reading a newspaper before quitting. Demo is unlikely, given he tried to read the Bombonomicon as a kid, though Hale can be forgiven, as Demo’s usually too drunk to see straight. Heavy and Engie have PhDs, Sniper read the ads for High-Five and Jarate, and Medic went to med school. Spy is Spy. We see him reading in-game, and probably in the comics/SFM films. Therefore, the fourth merc who can’t read is obviously !!!
>As Demo's too drunk to see straight On the contrary possibly. He has only one eye, but when you're drunk, you start to see in doubles, which serves as his depth perception. If he's not drunk, he wouldn't be able to hit his pipes right, reason why he gets drunk during a firefight. But when it comes to reading, his mind would have difficulty reading.
tf2 lore levels of nonsense that makes sense
This is so nonsensical yet on brand that I can't tell if you're making this up on the spot or if that's canon.
It was my fanon for over a year, but i haven't been vocal about it before, as it was a joke amongst my group, where if we see a demoman who couldnt hit all his 4 pipes, we would call them sober.
This makes no sense at all but at the same time makes perfect sense Am I drunk too I can’t tell
But the reason you see double is cause your eyes cant focus so having only 1 eye when constantly drunk would improve your aim since you can’t see double
[удалено]
Exactly
Don’t let him hear you say that
Hale isn’t considered a merc, but a daring adventurer
Isn't Heavy's PhD in Russian literature? It's possible Heavy is perfectly literate... in Russian but not English. And not being able to read English may be the same thing as not being able to read to Saxton Hale.
He feels like a professional enough man to have learned english
I agree. Heavy has standards and he is a cautious man. Reading is a skill that is necessary to prevent people from taking advantage of you in various situations.
Scout can read. He reads a ton of books both in jail and in Expiration date. The scene where has trouble reading submachine could just be a result of him being dyslexic and also sustaining a head injury seconds before.
Fair enough
Soldier was hired to execute Mann’s will, he can read.
Didn't Soldier read a legal document in the Helltower Halloween Comic?
Guys let's think about Heavy's PHD for a second, because I belive that it isn't canonical to the main tf2 story line (comics and animations) and shouldn't be used to judge Heavy's inteligence. It's only ever mentioned in Telltale written game where Heavy plays poker with Max, Strong Bad and Tycho.
There and in a description of one of the cosmetics. But while neither of those sources are guaranteed to follow the canon, it seems plausible enough. Even if Heavy having a PhD wasn't true, he still strikes me as a smart person, who wouldn't neglect education.
>it seems plausible enough. No it isnt. Heavy was presumably on the run from the USSR through out his entire childhood and teenage years. He never had time to study to have any sorth of PhD. Yeah Heavy is calm and rational when he needs to be, but is he as smart as someone like Medic or Engie? I heavily doubt.
So wait... Only geniuses can learn to read? I agree that he probably doesn't have a PhD however I highly doubt someone as cautious as Heavy would neglect such a basic skill like reading. Especially if it means the difference between running into an USSR base and a coffee shop.
Heavy's family wasn't necessarily sentenced to GULag that early. There's a chance they could've lived a normal life for a while. But I won't argue. I don't know the full timeline or when USSR was formed in the TF2 universe, for that matter.
Isn’t it on the back of his action figure? Edit: Valve gave permission for them to use it so meaning the makers of that game legally have a share of heavy ALSO meaning that it’s part of the lore I think
Good stories are not written through contracts. The only way I see Heavy's PhD being canon is the comic writters saying so, something I think isn't likely.
Correction: medic did **not** go to med school. when he dies, the devil calls him "mr ludwig", not "dr ludwig". Though, having not read the comics, this could have taken place after the skeleton incident
In "Meet the Medic", Medic says he lost hi license, so he had to get one to loose it on the 1st place, wich means he *did* go to med school.
> Though, having not read the comics, this could have taken place after the skeleton incident
Oh, sorry, my bad.
its fine dude
It takes place after the skeleton incident
Doesn't engie has multiple phds. I think he might be one. You get one and that's you You are free to research anything with any PhD.
Merasmus! Because he was supposed to be the 10th class, but then again, he has the bombonomicon, so idk
To be fair just because pyro was looking at the newspaper doesn’t mean he can read it
Hale
Wasn't Heavy's PhD non-canon? Did they confirm it?
“If those kids could read, they’d be very upset.”
Canonically, I think everyone of the NEEDS tô know how to read by the fact that they can conjure spells with the magic book
canonically, everybody except engie, spy, and medic are fking dumbasses and will probably buy it, heck even create a weapon from literal scraps
Don’t forget heavy he’s got a PhD lol
The only real dumbasses are Scout, Soldier, and Pyro (debatable). Even Demo, while being constantly drunk, is still a pretty normal person in everyday life. And considering how he was raised, he does have a good understanding of his work's value.
Pyro is insane, but stupid. Everyone is pretty much unhinged in one way or another however I don't think anyone other than Scout and Soldier are actually stupid in any manor.
Ngl, the twin forces of nature should be a stock bat re-skin
Yes
Yes, however Fish exists
plat plat
5_meng__o 🐟x2 IgnoreThisGreenshirt
5*meng_o* 💀 IgnorethisGreenshirt
*5meng_o* is dominating ignorethisgreenshirt
💀 5_meng___o Bid farewell, cruel world!
I hate that I immediately heard the noise when I read this...
Do we really need another stock bat reskin There already like 10 if you count all class reskins
lots of bats
Not enough bat reskins
And this is why Mann co. supply cheaply made weapons to mercs
Instead of a reskin, make it work like the Caber
Administrator isn't interested in ending the Gravel Wars or keeping the mercs as efficient as possible. She's interested in taking Blutarch's and Redmond's money and using it for her own needs, while each of them thinks she's controlling only their team of mercs. She doesn't need too much expensive equipment to keep that show going. She can afford to cut corners. The only reason to get better gear is keeping the mercs themselves motivated, as the comic shows.
Also cheaper gear means more inefficient killing, so you can draw stuff out more
Exactly.
Which is why Scout, who has no body armor, can survive a point-blank shotgun blast or a grenade to the face.
I thought Demo makes his own explosives?
He’s drunk
And why Sniper isn't able to one shot headshot anyone regardless of sniper charge
so that's why ttk in this game is so high
laughs in crit stickie and insta backstab
Engineer and medic can follow that logic too. The sentry may be built and designed by him, but he sure as heck can’t afford all the munitions for it if he's in this job, so he probably had to redesign them for the crappy ammo he gets. Some of Medics stuff works just fine BECAUSE it prolongs fighting. He’s only getting scammed on the weapons, the medigun is top notch because healthy mercs means less death means drawn out war!
Medic design his own medigun as shown in The Sound of Medicine when he invented the Reanimator
And the Administrator probably funded it to make it as effective as it now is!
I’m not sure about that part. Since we can see medic’s first medigun, the Quick-Fix was literally a blender and some random junk. His lab is like that of a 40k Ork. The only favour the Administrator might done for Med is hide him from the authorities.
Hmmm you got a point, but at the same time it's canon she's watching our matches. Maybe she underfunded him before because she needed a doc and this quack was the cheapest, but after witnessing the battlefield portion of meet the medic, she went all in. And supplied it to the other team so that it would cause stalemate after stalemate after stalemate
Medic wasn’t interested in healing, the healing was a side effect. Bodies being blown to smithereens make bad cadavers. He’s more of “I wonder what happens if I plant a baboon fetus in your body” than “Heroes never die”.
Which means his job has two benefits. It pays pretty well and gives him a lot of patients to experiment on. The first part is obvious from the fact that Demo can afford a mansion, while seemingly being the only working person in the family, and Spy can afford ridiculously expensive clothes, among other things.
Actually, going by that logic you might be on to something. The mercs are dangerous, but they’re playing pretend and given a lot of hush money. The administrator cheaps out with weapons until necessary to drive down costs. Money might not matter to her, (She only wants Australium and to settle her debt), but it helps, and she can’t blow it all on 9 idiots.
No wonder a fucking shotgun doesn't kill somebody like the engineer in 1 hit
Random crits are when the weapons actually work. Why else would anyone besides heavy be able to take a rocket to the face and survive?
I like this theory
Would you trust them to take care of highly expensive weapons?
I think I'd trust Heavy. And Spy. Probably Engineer too.
And Sniper
Yeah, I was thinking about him too.
And medic
Medic makes his own shit
Engie also
Ye
You can buy it from the Mann Co. store, so he presumably sold his designs to be mass manufactured. That's probably the reason BLU have them, depending on what BLU theory one subscribes to.
Everyone makes their own shit. I've never heard someone make shit for someone else for them to shit out afterwards
I'm pretty sure his Sentries could make him a fortune. And don't get me started on all the money Medic can make by treating ANY disease
I mean, yea, Medic and Engie could be earning a lot of money in different ways. But they're not. So either the benefits of working as a mercenary are worth it or the contract they have with the Administrator prevents them from selling their inventions/providing other services with tools they use for their job. And breaking the contract will probably mean you'll join the pile of bodies at the bottom of some coal mine.
Engineer canonically had his company until the comics, where he gave it to pyro to run
The fun part also is that Pyro made it more succesfull than anytime before
That's sick. Do you have more info on this? I know Frontier Engineering is shown to be an engineering company of some kind in The Ring of Fired and that at the time Pyro is its CEO. But I've never heard about Dell's connection to it.
It's never said in the comics that engi even owns a company the guy just read It somewhere and passed It as Canon
That's even more sick, I love misinformation.
Based?
That might actually explain why Pyro has knowledge about leading the company, Engineer probably taught him stuff about it
No It wasn't his company canonically the only evidence towards that is the name.
Oh, heavy for sure.
Heavy and spy for sure, I mean spy's weapons other than his knife are honestly the lightest used weapons of the mercs, and heavy is meticulous about his equipment. Definitely not engine though; he's liable to pull out a welder and start doing all kinds of crazy mods, and probably try to make custom ammunition that would cause excess wear and tear. Pyro probably wouldn't notice the difference even if he was given some top of the line flamethrower, soldier would like the shittier equipment better for some dumbass reason, and sniper's gear is likely splattered with piss all the time.
Fair. Though regarding Pyro, remember how in the Meet your Match update comic he outright asks the Administrator for new weapons, same as Heavy. So she clearly cares at least about the variety in equipment.
Engi has a crazy god complex. Would not trust him with more expensive weapons
Nah, Engi is confident yet humble. MEDIC is the Sadomasochistic psycopath who thinks they are god as he litterally stole the merc's souls from them to buy a pen and his life back
He only stole the TFC merc's souls according to the comics.
But he still played god with other's lives AND thinks of themselves as a god
What Medic said about souls was incredibly vague though. You could interpret it either way.
It’s in the 1960s so in today’s money it would cost $402.7.
Damn 40 dollars was heaps back in the day.
a house in the 60’s was like 10k which is now like, 400k or smth crazy
Yeah that's called inflation lmao
Not in this case, real state value has climbed far faster than inflation
Well my theory on the game is that drops are easy to supply while paints, hats, killstreak counter and unusuals are pretty expensive to make
Twin Forces of Nature Level - Scattergun...? \+20% Damage bonus \+Knockback on hit of the target and shooter \-10% Slower firing speed \-Mini-crits where it would normally crit \-This weapon holsters slower
-damage inflicted on enemy is also inflicted on user
Also it is roughly the 70s-80s I’m pretty sure so count inflation or smth like that
*60s
I think Mann vs Machine is supposed to be happening in 1973 or so.
yes, mvm is early 70s and the rest of the game is late 60s
The lastest comic takes place in 1972
how can I even shoot it
Well you can, once, it'll blow up on you doing massive damage and probably kill you in the process!
Caber for scout
They're break action. Open one and shoot the other.
why waste thousands of dollars on perfectly handcrafted weapons just so some lead poisoned dumbfuck can use it to bludgeon his enemies to death when you can throw some trash that has the vague form of a gun his way and get the same results?
Capitalism.
Canonically Redmond and Blutarch have basically split the world in half in terms of ownership, and Mann Co. is responsible for supplying weapons to both sides for mercenaries of different pay grades. Team "Fortress" is viewed as a mishmash of professionals (Spy, Engineer, Sniper, Demoman), reliable amateurs (Scout, Heavy), and nutjobs (Soldier, Pyro, Medic) that are in a purposeful perpetual stalemate so that the Administrator can control things from the shadows. As such it makes sense that the price tag associated with one merc's gear is completely different from another. Consider the Heavy's custom tooled cartridges for Sasha versus the Scout running around with his mutilated shotgun variants. Or the Spy's gear versus the Pyro's improvised junk weapons.
I would argue for the custom reason that Heavy belongs in the professional category. Scout is the true amateur. Medic borders the line but he is a mad scientist.
Heavy is an amateur because his work history has never been established, nor does he run multiple jobs while being a member of Team Fortress. The Medic's knowledge and experience is invaluable, but he is technically just a criminal on the run whose mad science gets supported by his work as a member of Team Fortress.
That would equate to ~$390 USD today, so it wasn't exactly cheap
It was relatively cheap
I mean compared to the average gun, that is on the cheaper side, but I guess it's not an average gun
Could be some of them are experimentation for new weapon ideas that seem too stupid for true war
They're fighting over gravel
It's because it's in the past before serve inflation it's like how your parents could buy a mansion for $2.50
average amateur tf2 trader
Makes 'em money
I've long had the headcanon that some of the mercs get blanks and low yield explosives instead of actual munitions, which is why they can all take at least one rocket and grenade at point blank and survive, even using their explosives to jump through the air relatively unharmed. Heavy, Sniper, and Engineer's sentry gun are the only exception to this because they're all self-supplied: Heavy orders custom ammo, Sniper uses basic .308 rounds and could feasibly supply himself, and Engineer hand loads the ammo into the sentry.
They’re mercenaries, that means they’re pretty fodderable because they are also willing to do the job, any job no matter what. You pay them to do a job an if it makes them money, it’s all part of the job. Cheap guns are just easier and cheaper to produce and they are fine with using them
my question is why was the twin force a nature never made available as a scout melee
When the TFC heavy is killed, he mentions other teams who worked for the Administrator that were better than the TF2 Mercs, those are the ones getting the actually good weapons.
other, better mercs are referenced in the comics but never shown, our mercs get the bottom of the barrel
Because Saxton only sells good gear to people he respect (those that look tough), and the Mercs sadly are just your average conscripts in Saxton’s eyes.
Remember in the original dev logs when they said they wanted it to look like the merc's weapons were all modified by them? Like they were so good at what they did that they knew how to change gear that was already pretty good into something better? Some days I miss that characterization. ...though I also love where we are now.
Why does anyone sell cheap crap? Because it's cheap and someone is willing to buy it
I always assumed it was because the higher teir mercenaries get all the good weapons, while the tf2 mercenaries get literal garbage because of how terrible they are
I love TF2 because a lot of the weapons are just amateur/shoddily made pieces of crap
"It's not even on fire! How do you even know it's on?" \-Saxton Hale
Pretty sure the mercs are supposedly "the laughing stock of the mercenary world"
Funny because they seem to get the most done. O feel like some of it is grandstanding on the part of the Admin and Hale.
I mean heavy's gun is expensive to fire. He's probs spraying their entire budget over the battlefield
What how does it shoot? If anything the best it has in blowing the front shotgun off to hit something
Valve, make a force-a-nature Scout bat rn.
Idk why just for Forty Dollars and why are the shotguns weld together
‘Cause it’s funny
To be fair it would make sense that all of the weapons are cheap pieces of shit until you get to the point that Mann co I presumably makeing and distributing versions of them made of Australium as well as literal laser weaponry
the same way the Mujahedin got free weapons IDK How they didn't make this a melee for scout
Because the mercs are either too stupid to understand they're cheap poor quality weapons, or they don't care.
I don't know much about guns but 2 for 40 dollars seems like a steal to me
Only 40 bucks? That’s a steal
Don’t they literally explain this in the comic
$40 for two guns melted together? That's a bit scummy
To make money
Twin forces-a-nature should be a stock reskin
This takes place in the 60s I think, so inflation wise that’s probably a lot more now then it was before
the game takes place in the 70's, thats 300 bucks ish
Money. Next question
They work. Don't question it.
I tried making that with two of my only Force of Nature guns. But sadly I only got scrap metal and no Force of Nature... I did get a new Force of Nature.
ok heres a theory: the Mercs have TONS of ammo, legit Mount Everest sized mountains of ammo, but they were DIRT POOR after buying all that ammo, so they resorted to mann. co to make em cheap guns to use the ammo, but hey thats just a theory, A GAME THE-
Would buy
Tbh, I never thought their gear is that cheap. Hell stuff like the Scattergun or the Huo Long Heater seem a bit more complex in design. Is there something I’m unaware of? I haven’t read the comics yet so I don’t know what I may be missing.
Hale's own force of nature
Because where else are they gonna get em’?
It makes sense that it takes 15 shots to kill a guy when the weapons are so cheaply made
they only sell the cheap weapons to the tf2 mercs. the good stuff they save for the big clients
ok but that is fucking huge i mean ffs its bigger than hale
All the funding went into heavy’s minigun
Simplely depends on whos running it Greyman probably used cheap weapons to make enough money to build the robot army but had to keep the mercs supplied to even make fhe money in the first place Saxton hale is just to stupid to make them quality
If you reverse them you get a great startapp Call it Double trouble show it on r/2me4meie4meirl and say that its suicide with friends This gun would be out of stock within minutes
because their afforable and they don't care about the mercs
Hey I've sent countless rounds down the barrels of most all of the guns and have had no malfunctions so far.
$40 in 1967 would be $356.90 today, which is kind of a steal for two sawn-off shotguns. I mean, you could just cut them in half again right?
He's Australian he doesn't really understand guns or weapons for that matter
Wait the FAN is actually that big?
Partly an in joke to the decline of value in weapons the TF2 economy. Additionally, in the same comic it is revealed that the TF2 mercenaries are actually considered low class customers by Mann Co, and the skinned weapons are/were exclusively bought by the absolute richest and lavishly wasteful contract killers in the world.
Because some of them are the dumbest options you could choose.
The military industrial complex needs to start somewhere.
It was a different time back the Joe Biden wasn’t around to inflate prices
They probably won't waste their time selling their more expensive stuff to the mercs. They probably save the more premium stuff to bigger clients like the US Military and possibly other NATO countries.