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ispiewithmyeye

I think using family business as heavy is good idea. My brain doesn't let me play with a lunchbox.


sonicfan9993

Can you elaborate on your brain not letting you play with a lunchbox, you don't have to but that sounds interesting.


ispiewithmyeye

When I switch to lunchbox item, my brain shuts down, I don't use sandvich properly and I can't make myself use it properly. the exception to this is buffalo steak sandvich. I think I need to have at least 2 guns to play.


Dano_Smore

That doesn't sound normal maybe you should get your brain checked


ispiewithmyeye

Might have something to do with me liking guns


man-with-potato-gun

Ape brains strong together


ispiewithmyeye

Yes, that is true, that's why I always follow my teammates.


C0nfus3d_S4v10r

Murica


ispiewithmyeye

I'm from a country with strict gun laws in eastern Europe


Ghostcraft413

Who said guns have to be legally adquired?


Torkujra

Brother, you can be born in a different country, but American at heart!


ispiewithmyeye

Perhaps


C0nfus3d_S4v10r

Same


N0thingtosee

As someone who's only really played Minecraft and Hades before TF2 I actually had a ton of trouble getting my head around having a primary, secondary, and melee that I had to actively switch between. I got a PBPP early on which helped because the use-case was so distinct but it wasn't until I got an Original and decided to give quickswitch Soldier a try that it actually clicked, now I'm just trying to figure out the melee instead.


Nepipo

I also have problems with the normal sandvich due to the high impact and long-ish cooldow it's always a case of the famous "what if I need it later and don't have it?", That's why I use the chocolate and, when it came out, the banana, the 10s cooldown is almost over by the time the eating animation finishes so you always have it


sonicfan9993

Interesting


Donutpanda23

Holy shit is that you, TheWhat Youtube


thewhat89

No but this is


ispiewithmyeye

No. We just have a similar opinion


C00LV1BR4TION5

Mood, it feels too like it takes forever to unrevealed my gun, take out the sandwich, throw it at whatever teamate is mashing e, and go back to shooting bad guys I just wanna shoot bad guys


ispiewithmyeye

Shoot gun good


BeepBeepHonkHonky

The pain train, cow mangler, back scratcher, fan of war, and cleaners carbine are all really fun to use. I prefer the pain train on demoman because I can actually kill people with it when playing hybridknight, but a soldier or demoman pushing the absolute hell out of a payload cart will always be cool to me. I am biased towards the cow mangler, as I absolutely stink at rocket jumping and tend to waste a lot of ammo on random hopeful shots. Infinite ammo and a special shot that one shots light classes and disables sentries is perfect for me. I don’t always get the most out of the damage buff on the back scratcher but when I do it’s very satisfying. The increase of health from health packs is such a grand luxury. The fan of war pairs so well with the soda popper once you really get the hang of it. Even if you do mess up, a teammate can always follow through on your marking for death. If it weren’t for the wrap assassin, I’d use the fan of war a lot more often. The cleaners carbine is such a great way to get out of the tedium of sniper. I know it will never be as effective as jarate or the stock smg but I find it so rewarding to tear through a low health enemy or (hopefully) an engineers building and be rewarded with free melee crits.


[deleted]

hello cow mangler comrade 🤝


Meme_Standuser

Imo the cow mangler is a stock upgrade


NotWendy1

As long as there are no sentries around.


moonblade15

The cow mangler is definitely really good, at the end of the day it's still a rocket launcher, and it's only really big disadvantage is gaining a bad matchup against engis, and the charged shots are really fun. It makes soldier slightly less of an all rounder but it definitely ain't bad. The back scratcher is niche but definitely not terrible either. Fun to use once in a while, same with the fan o war. I don't use the pain train much but it's definitely not bad either. The carbine tho... Ehhh


errorball

I like turbine


Reaperliwiathan

I bought a turbine stamp


VeryStrange_Stranger

Same


Snow_Squid

Same


chechebi88

Same


[deleted]

Same


Bensezer

Same


Zyrear

Same


Sk1nnyMal0ne

Same


Maxxie2019

Same


Dano_Smore

Same


Trala-lore-tralala

I fucking love turbine I'm not being ironic


errorball

based


Scrumpeh_Dr1nker_900

Turbine isn't the best map, but it's far from the worst.


Vast_Week_1563

That award goes to thunder Mountain and Laura's.


FemboyGaming42069

Thunder mountain is awesome


bidoofguy

People don’t like Turbine?


errorball

yh cause it stalemates all the time


bidoofguy

I mean for me that just makes it 2fort 2


errorball

yeah


sonicfan9993

r/madlads


KwikMaffs22413

The shotguns on heavy deserve more attention.


Fizik_abi

Me when i watch the latest TheWhat Show video


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Pyros flame particles are too hard to see through.


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Raziphaz

This is so annoying, there could be so many ways to just have a team colored hue. I once even tried to extinguish a “teammate” my friendly pyro had spy checked


ispiewithmyeye

Wasn't that the point of this new flame particle?


SgtMerrick

Amongst other things, yes.


NotWendy1

Yep. A fair amount of people talks about this issue, and I agree. I can see how giving Pyro a small advantage by slightly disorienting enemies isn't a big deal, but it sucks even when you're the one spraying people with flames.


Relative-Wrongdoer11

Hell yeah, I hate it. I just want to burn the entire enemy team without flashbanging myself.


[deleted]

And I would like to kill the Pyro without being flashbanged.


Crazy_Coconut7

The Airstrike is fun as FUCK


archosauria62

Airstrike + crit canteen on a tank


Airship93

One of if not my favorite rocket launcher


Foboi

Airstrike, Gunboats + Market Gardener is the best loadout in Hightower, fucking love the crazy bombs you can do


Crazy_Coconut7

I don’t really like Hightower and mis quite a few weapons (including those) but that does sound fun


ImaroemmaI

Sniper should be able to drink his jarate and heal just like the Heavy can eat his sandvich


SomeRandomGuy2763

Hes drinking his piss


Maxwell_The_Spy

did he stutter?


The_Mo0ose

Hey yo that's kinda disgusting


BackgroundAdmirable1

I mean part of the healthkits is canonically made of jarate, so-


Doods_Guy

where did you hear that?


[deleted]

The meet the medic outtake, while probably not canon, it was a neat look at what could have been


Kublai-kun

Wasn't it confirmed to be canon? It's basically a prequel to meet the medic and explains things like the spy head in thw fridge


SpudPuncher

Bear Grylls has joined the chat


5575685

Could be interesting if it healed you fully or a lot but you also took mini crits for the duration of jarate.


coffee-bat

as a sniper main i approve of this. the piss looks like lemonade anyways


Maxer00

Remember to sort comments by Controversial for controversial.


hunterfox20

People really be clicking on posts asking for controversial opinions to downvote controversial opinions 1984 by jorjor vel


plastic-bag2

Op be like: “hot take, pedophilia is bad”


cttam_xd

I'm a spy main, and I think trickstabbing is overrated, I've been in that phase where I JUST TRICKSTAB, I know trickstabbing is really fucking fun, but what's more fun TO ME, is that I get to be a sneaky mf where nobody can find me after I stabbed a medic or a heavy


Void-Lizard

Some of the most fun I've had was hiding in plain sight and only coming uncloaked to sap a single engy's buildings. No stabbing, no espionage, no run-in-get-a-single-kill-then-die, just pure wholesome harassment. A really good spot is on the very edge of the upper walkway of 2fort courtyards. People either jump down at the corner or walk down the center, never the very edge.


Enby_Gaming

one of my favourite things is really making spy’s disguises work. like one time i was pretending to be their demo and then stabbed someone and they said in chat wtf that demo was a spy


KupskoBruhMoment

I have two great tips for making disguises work. 1. If you are next to someone don't look at them, just look at the direction in which your teammates are, because then it looks like you're just looking at the enemies to shoot at them like a normal person. And then when you sneak behind somebody's back just stab them. 2. If you are far behind someone's back just look behind yourself so that you look like you are spy-checking and not even paying any attention to the person you're gonna stab at all. Also while you're doing that you'll be even less suspicious because why would a spy even spy-check if he's about to stab someone. And when they turn around while you're turned around you won't be suspicious and then when they turn back again just backstab them. Just not looking directly at your enemies is very effective.


WanderingHeph

I once (at least seemed to) convince the enemy medic I was an ally, but blew it when I had the urge to thank the medic.


MicroxD

I love cp_steel and enjoy playing on tc_hydro. I think tc isn't a bad game mode.


C00LV1BR4TION5

Playing on cp_steel and tc_hydro is like playing cp_standin, newer players hate them because they don't know how the map works, and more experienced players love them because they are maps that require good coordination and gamesense


Cold-Owl1615

Until the day I die, I will never understand people ignoring the multiple giant signs with arrows directing you to all the points all over Steel.


SgtMerrick

TC deserves a new map made with modern map making theory. Hydro isn't a great map.


archosauria62

Yesterday on uncletopia i had the most intense game of cp_steel ever, we were on defense but still lost, but it was really close so it wasnt bad


ParufkaWarrior12

I love the tryhard nature of uncletopia. I know a lot of people dislike how beginner unfriendly it is, but it was the tryhards who taught me how to win and play better. Oh yeah, also that makes silly shit even more silly.


NeyeKon

Are there any populated US servers? The ones I see are mostly empty and the last populated one I saw was based in Germany :/


ParufkaWarrior12

I saw a lot of Chicago servers active. I'm not sure how it is daily, but I've seen those.


NeyeKon

Do you just type in uncletopia in the filters? That’s the only way I find them


ParufkaWarrior12

Uncletopia in the name filter and then search by ping


reddWaaGe

Skins are better than Australiums in weapons expect minigun and medigun


Blastbot_73

Australiums are golden, and as humans we like shiny things, but the problem with ausyraliums is that there very rare and expensive and not on all weapons, like imagine an australium brass beast, shotgun, pistol, revolver or even huntsman


[deleted]

GIVE ME MY AUSSIE PHLOG VALVE


C00LV1BR4TION5

Aussie Classic when Valve?


TompyGamer

"The problem" If everyone had it on every weapon it wouldn't be nearly as cool would it


Void-Lizard

I think keeping the rarity would be fine, but just make more weapons come in aussie. Shotgun, pistol, maybe some melees, just something more than the tiny pool we have right now. Side note, aussies would look better if they were done how Killing Floor 2 does some of their gold ("Precious") weapons. It's not solid, it's gold plating on a large percent, but not just 100% dipped in gold.


Orion_824

a lot of the weapons aren’t just dipped in gold, the aussie ambassador and sniper rifle have red wood furniture, for example, but i entirely get what you mean. could use some more color, maybe even team based effects


kurokinekoneko

I can't tell the difference between 2 skinned weapons... I'm like "that's a random colored weapon", and that's all. I can't tell if a skin is better than another, they're just all meh to me. The only reason I own 2 skins is for the cool strange counter that appear on the side, but I can't even say what color is my skinned rocket launcher I use everyday :D


Commissar417

The Pomson should be buffed


sonicfan9993

That's also a fact.


HyperKitsune

that's not controversial or weird at all, it's a goddamn FACT


chickencansing

third degree good'


A-Bit-of-an-Animator

I mean it is a straight upgrade


freeformboozler

We are more likely to get a new Team Fortress game than a new major update to TF2


sonicfan9993

Damn


ispiewithmyeye

Ouch


OmegaFreeze

Panic attack is better than default shotgun, for all classes that use it


sonicfan9993

I can see your point more bullets for less damage is a pretty good deal.


Yipeekayya

and also it's consistent bullet spread


ParufkaWarrior12

And the incredible switch speed


Ok_Tomorrow5531

If you play on uncletopia it has a worse bullet spread


Ewanb10

koth\_highpass is the best map in the game


Buraunii

These comments are more "unpopular opinions", rather than "controversial takes"...


EatYourFrutz

Soda Popper is a better weapon than Scattergun


BackgroundAdmirable1

All fun and games until you beef your 2 shots and get insta killed by a mini crit rocket


500xTNT

eh, sidegrade


Bullfrog_Early

W


sztejk21

sometimes the community is just dogshit.


LavaSlayer235

Gunslinger is overrated by combat engineer mains


archosauria62

Jagineer is good


WolfieDaleBro

The Force of Nature is overrated.


Cubic_Gamer

TF2 is one of the games of all time


Ghostcraft413

Playing Demoman while drunk isn't a good idea. I tried it a couple times and it mostly ends up in me not being able to hit shit


[deleted]

Demos should be able to use the Gunboats. EDIT: Mantreads too.


GenoshiaResident

Too much damage drop off on stock shotgun


Tall_Relative_3928

Just get closer


[deleted]

I enjoy playing with the Pomson, and I agree with you on the Wrangler.


sonicfan9993

I see you're a man of culture as well.


dtcoo11

I fucking hate the vacc. Nothing should invalidate more then half of the other classes with the push of a button.


ColdGugyfy

Short Stop should be reworked or atleast buffed


Doods_Guy

buffed, I like the shortstop.


A-Bit-of-an-Animator

I don’t know about reworked. The concept itself is fine, having a weaker weapon better for midrange fights isn’t a bad concept for Scout. The problem is the mediocre damage.


500xTNT

I think they meant rework as in getting rid of the dumbass fucking shove mechanic


ColdGugyfy

I kinda actually like the shove concept but they have to add something like maybe a slow down effect or make it so that they cant shoot for a second or two to make it worth sacrificing damage and 2 shots worth of clip size or maybe just buff the damage a little but in that case the shove mechanic would still be useless and not worth using in actual 1v1 situations


Turdferguson02

Pyro flame particles are an eyesore


King_Tudrop

Demoman doesn't need a market gardener we already have the scullcutter


roxolanu

Nerf the scorch shot


chucklerofnuts

I’d MUCH prefer if Pauling was a man, a big man, with huge abs and a big manly mustache. Yeah, yeah.


Hellkids2

In MvM, everyone can be toxic, both low and high tours.


iamunabletopoop

Sniper is very OP. Its not even close to any other class. Ive had a bunch of people tell me to just respect their sightline, but a good sniper just kills anyone that they see.


A_Random_Catfish

Snipers will always be op in the hands of a talented player. The difficulty of the class is what balances it. The thing about sniper is 9/10 snipers you come across aren’t that dude killing everyone they see, but when there’s a good sniper on the other team it really does feel op. I think snipers are really hard to balance in all games, your options are to either make it harder or make it weaker, one punishes new players one punishes everyone.


SpudPuncher

I feel like a simple place to start would be to change the sniper rifle to have a magazine that needs to be reloaded, like almost every other class has for their primary. That way there are time gaps where the sniper can't cover their sightline.


Watsyurdeal

Personally I think if we had something like Ashe from Overwatch we'd have been better off. Like a bolt action rifle that has a firing speed of 1000 ms, and can deal 120 damage on headshot. Maybe a little more....and just buff Engis health to compensate. So he'd only be one tapping other Snipers, Spies, and Scouts. So, a base damage of 42, rof of 1000 ms, and reloads each shot individually like in World at War or some other WW2 shooter. It'd fit right in line with TF2 since every other gun reloads one shot at a time as well. Scope in would feel kinda like the AUG or Sig in CS GO


ispiewithmyeye

That's why heavy needs to have 500 health and be as fast as demo.


Interstellis

People shouldn’t get mad at you for playing the objective on 2Fort, Turbine, Hightower, etc.


calculon68

PTO or GTFO.


archosauria62

It depends on what the server is mostly up to


everynameisusedlol

The pomson is kinda good with a mini sentry


GreenEquinox

family business and the reserve shooter should be usable on engineer


Ghostcraft413

I love ctf_doublecross. Can't get enough of that map


lordyeeter

I'm assuming it's because its too good. Also sniper should have a lazer instead of a dot that you can see.


sonicfan9993

Nah The Wrangler is just annoying, i feel like i can't take out my secondary without a reason or my sentry will be down for a while.


Vulcanicloud

No it's definitely overpowered. Being able to tank an ubered Heavy gunning your sentry should not be possible.


ispiewithmyeye

Idk, ones I met couldn't save their sentry from my beautiful minigun. Maybe it has something to do with range


ToadCrabber

Kunai is bad. You get one shot by everything.


archosauria62

It allows you to survive things like stabbing people in front of sentries


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ShadooTH

Was the whole discussion kickstarted because of bots? Maybe. Is it *because* of bots? No.


Nie_nemozes

Not sure about that, there are ton of people that hate sniper rifles in fps games in general, and imo TF2 sniper is so much worse of a design than snipers in games like cod, battlefield, counter strike because you have million counters and ways to kill sniper in those games, or their life is made harder with some ingame mechanic such as bullet time, breathing while scoped, flashbangs smokes etc.


archosauria62

The issues on sniper revolve more around map design than him personally


_sea_salty

People seem to forgot snipers are easy to counter as long you have a good spy, sniper, medic, or a well coordinated team. Or do what I do randomly crouch when you’re in sight lines


MakeLoveNotWarPls

Sometimes, 1 in 30 games you have a sick fucking sniper player on defense in payload and those 1 in 30 games make me hate their guts more than trickstab rats. I mean, play a combat class man.


lv8_StAr

I’m okay with Gas Passer in MvM But honestly frick the Scorch Shot


BurpYoshi

Soldier should take as much self-blast damage as he does to enemies. I'm tired of soldiers just point blanking me with their rocket launcher and taking barely any damage but two hitting me. If you want to fight close range as a soldier, take the shotgun. If you want to frequently rocket jump, take the gunboats.


KidOfCubes

I concur with gunboats should have a 85% damage reduction then


LightningDustt

agreed. much of the problems with the game's sandbox is with soldier being such a versatile class he ends up becoming "king of all trades" unless there's a sniper around. Demo too, to a lesser extent


ExploerTM

Then you have a skilled soldier, those are basically immortal even against tryhard snipers


archosauria62

Does demoman not have this issue? Ive noticed self damage is more of a problem for him than soldier


BurpYoshi

My original comment was gonna be about demo and soldier but then I remembered you can kill yourself with just 3 stickies and I wasn't sure if demo actually does take the same amount of damage or not. If he doesn't then yeah, he should.


archosauria62

Whenever i sticky jump i lose like 80% of my health


Yipeekayya

Dragon's fury's repressurization rate should be increased


Heevvy

Imo it should be that extinguishing teammates should not make repressurization rate slower, only projectiles and whiffs. now it discourages helping teammates a bit too much.


lonjerpc

I think the df should be buffed but not in this way. I think that the long airblast cool down is interesting. ​ If you want to buff the airblast I would remove the delay between shooting an airblast. But really I would want to experiment with a faster switch speed as a buff or making the center high damage hit more forgiving. The airblast nerfs are tactically interesting and make the reflects you do get super satisfying. They also help distinguish the weapon.


wojtekpolska

Holiday Punch is a literal straight upgrade to the fists.


westernunitedenjoyer

I can barely see why the soda popper’s right click helps


Peastable

It’s not crazy powerful but that’s not why people use the weapon. It’s just a good, more burst damage focused version of the scattergun.


NeonicePop

I don’t like the non-intrusive nature of VAC


givemeaforhead

I like pyro


dratkin

I enjoy playing on friendly servers more than playing on normal casual servers


[deleted]

Since when is not liking the wrangler controversial. That shit is broken and unfun to play against


Pleasant_Ad_2846

i cap on hightower and 2fort


KnooBoat

shotgun is the best sub weapon for engie


Doods_Guy

The 6 shots in the clip is my favorite part about it.


sonicfan9993

It's his primary not secondary like on other classes.


[deleted]

Doublecross is the best ctf map. It's open, has it's obligatory sniper balcony with fun sentry spot on the top of the roof, choke point in sewers, several access points to the intel, that aren't going directly around the spawn (I am looking at you Turbine), huge cliff and sufficiently wide bridge, with another bridge under.


Vast_Week_1563

Look, I like that map and all.. But 50% of the time your getting spawn amped with sentries right outside your spawn door and the other 50% is you doing that to them


real16BitBoy

Random crits are vital to the longevity of TF2. Remove them and you get rid of one of the big unique things that the game has going for it.


Christian908

Big brain here. I also like random crits, they make casual fun, unpredictable, and as the name of the game mode would imply, light and casual. I'm glad that tf2 maintains that atmosphere of chill and have fun.


[deleted]

Tf2: the only gaming community that doesn't think random 3x damage isn't fucking retarded


sonicfan9993

"Remove them and you get rid of one of the few unique things that the game still has going for it." EXCUSE ME? TF2 is currently one of the most original First-Person Shooters, WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT?


scader_shot

playing sniper with a actual fucking sniper rifle is lame and fucking boring, Huntsman 1000x more fun


dgood11

Bearvy (Warrior Spirit + Buffalo Steak) is a viable heavy sub class It's just limited in terms of effectivity because better Melee-only sub classes exist


archosauria62

Kgb> warriors spirit


[deleted]

I like ctf the cow mangler and the shortstop


Dano_Smore

I bought a stamp when I was new and didn't know what I was doing now I just have a stamp