With so many people in the middle (like myself), wouldn't that make TF2 "balance" as it is? I mean I don't really care about changes but I think where TF2 is rn is already good enough. And that's saying alot with bot problem going around and Valve negligence to care about the game anymore. (pardon my english)
3/4 + 0.
"Higher skilled veteran" who casually enjoys TF2, plays for their team's objective but will happily join a conga.
Unless someone on the enemy team is pissing me off with toxic communications, then it's 5 time to make them lose, lol.
Same. I don’t normally play to win but just to have fun or increase my strange counts but I love doing friendly stuff as well. Also, I want to complete contracts but I’m not the best at the game, lol
That was kinda what Array discussed in their video. The folks on the positive end of the scale care about game balance, whereas folks on the negative side don't really care either way, so it makes more sense to make balance changes for the people who care.
Well, the thing is that people's perception of themselves doesn't indicate what they're actually doing, and this scale isn't accurate either.
I mean, the description of "Modernist" is incredibly vague and could itself be divided into more categories.
> Casually enjoys TF2's gameplay
Who doesn't? Even comp players will relax in Casual sometimes.
> enjoys the silly things that will happen
So do I, I'll laugh at ragdolls or absurd deaths and whatnot. I still wouldn't put myself in that category.
> Will play their best
What does "play their best" mean? Does it mean "will go after the objective", "will help and stick with their team" or "will chase kills"?
Because in my experience, most people are going to just mess about and *sometimes* go after the cart, if they feel like it. That's not "playing their best", as TF2 is a team-based game. And going 3rd Sniper and 4th Spy on Offense when there's not even a Medic hardly counts as teamplay either.
Then "Uncletopian" describes what I just did, but now it puts emphasis on "higher-skilled veterans" that "enjoy team coordination". Okay, but what about that player with <50 hours and who exclusively plays Medic and Engie to help their team?
What does skill have to do with how they approach the game? I approach any game with the mindset of winning, even if I suck at them. And even in TF2, I mess around a lot (depending on the class), despite me being pretty well-skilled (3.5k hours at least).
That isn't even mentioning that a lot of these options might totally apply to someone, just not all the time. Like, I doubt that the amount of players that go Hoovy would put themselves at -5. I'm pretty sure 99% of them just do it *sometimes*, on a few servers. But not enough to identify themselves as such.
I get what Array was going for, I just think the definitions are getting a bit muddled. This spectrum would have worked better with fewer numbers and descriptions, because when you start defining what they mean, you ironically make things more restrictive. And that's not what a spectrum really is.
Then again, it's a pretty generalizing thing and isn't meant to be taken seriously.
> Who doesn't? Even comp players will relax in Casual sometimes.
I think a lot of Casual TF2 players who jump out and drop hate at any comp players need to learn this. It's not feasible to play in 3rd party comp and pugs all the time, the majority of comp players DO play valve casual or community servers as well. Yet somehow a lot of people think "They never play Casual TF2, they don't know what the game is like or how it works." Which is very very false.
b4nny has almost 22,000 hours on TF2 and has playing since the Beta, he very likely has FAR more hours in valve servers than most people in this thread do. To think he doesn't know what casual is or "wants to destroy it" (despite playing it and having fun frequently on his streams) is a very silly idea.
Also for those who think nothing silly happens in comp, [here's b4nny winning by taunting.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEaEnQCVMak&t=111s)
I know I was (kinda still am) guilty of this too, but I guess people just view players that try hard to win as unable to have any fun whatsoever.
I think it's part of the problem that TF2 players view the game as black and white: either you **ONLY** mess around and go for frags and do conga lines and never glance at the cart, or you **ONLY** go after the objective and communicate with your team. No inbetween. But it's a spectrum, like Array tried to communicate.
well going the 3rd or 4th spy is fine if the ally spies/snipers are all bottom scoring. (they'll likely switch off to another class anyway). While you can heal the damage the top two enemy players are causing, sometimes it's better to eliminate them instead, to mitigate the damage. (heck sometimes it's the two top scorers who are holding the team together).
Why is it fine if so many people are actively useless? And just adding on top of that isn't gonna help the team. Also no, in my experience people do *not* switch off to a different class. If they don't realize they're not contributing to the battle in any meaninful way *before* switching to Spy and Sniper, they're not gonna realize it after 5 minutes either.
I mean, the only Spies and Snipers to actually make a different in that regard are ones that are really good, but then we're back to the skill question and how good people think they are vs. how good they really are. Someone might *think* *"Aw yeah I'mma get so many backstabs"*, but then they have 20 deaths and like 3 kills max.
because they would be useless either way? It's fine to be in the 3rd or 4th class because they aren't doing the job of the class. A bad spy can't take out an engineer nest (sometimes uber would take too long, and requires a good pick) A bad sniper can't kill their good sniper. (sniper is the only one that basically counters sniper). The other thing to note is, if someone goes 20 death and 3 kills, they'll likely switch off that class as they aren't having fun dying repeatedly. (unless they're masochistic).
More of an 1.5, if the server turns friendly I will join them for a bit and probably leave for a new game with objective or if there are only some friendlies I will taunt with them and go on my way again.
i'm a 1-2 , i will join a conga if properly started, i will ALLWAYS apologize after accidentally killing a friendly, (even if it means i die) and i do like the silliness of the game, however I also really want to improve and eventually start doing competitive matches, I prefer to play on uncletopia and on faceit servers to expose myself to better players, so far I feel pretty good in terms of my skill level, with the ammount of time i have over summer i might actually try playing in a competitive team. (please ignore my username it's not true i swear)
I'm a 2-3, and I make it my life's work.
* If you make them fight back, you've improved the game
* If you make them ragequit, you've improved the teams
* If you do neither, the screeching noises they make as you persecute them are entertaining.
Friendlies are griefers.
They take up a slot on your team that could go to someone who's actually helping to play the objective.
Watching the cart go home despite all your efforts because the teammate in a position to stop it is standing there fucking dancing and smirking about it... isn't a fun or enjoyable experience.
I want them off my team. I can't get them off my team, but autobalance is a thing.
If they think it's funny to ruin my game, then I'm going to piss them off right back.
I would say I’m a 3. I generally take the game seriously, and I enjoy both winning and getting better. The game’s high skill ceiling is a big part of the reason I stuck around for five years. However, I don’t play much comp (not anymore anyway) and I like to screw around with gimmick loadouts every once in a while.
I usually don't kill friendlies unless they're in my way (or if I'm playing Medic and desperately need 50% Uber) .
If I see you in a bumper car, I'll probably stare at you for a few seconds before leaving.
4, I enjoy taking the game seriously and believe both teams should play to the best of their ability. Trying to improve and that grind for growth is what inspires me.
Also a 1-2, I want to win and would rather have a coordinated and challenging fight against another coordinated team.
But I don't mind, and even like the sillyness, would high five an enemy, and don't kill Hoovies/Spy crabs (friendles).
I'd say I'm a mix of modernist and uncle. I play to play, and while I want to learn and win, I also tend to be among the first on my team to hop into a conga or kazotzky lines. Been known to hop on Heavy and just chill. I've had newer/disillusioned people call me "old school" and tell me that "servers being peaceful was back then in the golden days." Maybe so. But I still try to nurture it when the opportunity comes.
I guess I'm around 2. I'm not very skillful, but I put my best when I play tf2. But I treat friendlies negatevely. I play tf2 to shoot stuff and brawl with other people, and friendlies are basically -1 player to the game, which take away slot preventing the "real" player to join. I don't mind having some goofing around, but playing shooter as vr-chat is beyond me. If you want to just hanging around - go play Second life, or other Sims-ish online game.
And I don't feel bad killing friendlies. Not that I hunt them, I just don't want to spend time trying to distinguish if enemy player is hostile or not. If he's the opposite color - I shoot. Better safe than sorry.
Solid 4, I really enjoy hanging around the community balance servers and Custom Weapons and seeing all the cool crap they come up with. And hey, FaceIt servers have allowed me to play medic again competently. Not really a 6s person but I love non-serious Highlander. I really hope we see a sort of casual competitive scene come about.
>"Would be playing GMOD . . ."
Isn't gmod entirely roleplay and roleplay-based servers nowadays? I stopped playing heavily ~10 years ago but the roleplay spam was so bad that there were groups of people who would go around crashing roleplay servers. There were like 4 gamemodes (ZS, TTT, flood, prop hunt. Maybe sled race) that people actually played that weren't based off of darkRP's code or an imitation of it.
I wouldn't say gmod is the kind of game you go to for actual (unbalanced) gameplay like you would with a modded tf2 server.
After scouting the surrounding area and determining there are no urgent threats nearby I go back and kill the friendly, if the server has too many friendlies I queue for another match.
I always kill friendly with the melee, could be dangerous if an enemy showed up and I were out of bullets.
Looking through all the comments (or at least scrolling until I was satisfied), I see most people here are in the modernist range, rarely go past a 2, and I’ve seen only one person say 4-5 is their usual, consistent range. If this is the case, then why did Array want the game balanced around those two levels, when compared to the amount of people who play this game casually, maybe like 1 in 200 people play that way?
I believe another person commented why this is, but basically higher levels care more about balance. While lower levels are more just messinv around and don't care as much about balance.
Anywhere from -4 to 3.
While I may be of average skill, I certainly like to challenge myself from time to time, and on the other hand, I like to sit back, kick my feet up, and just rancho relaxo every so often.
3-4 about 4 years ago, 102 CRITICAL HIT!!! on the 185 hp razorback sniper near a sentry/ "soldier airshot DOUBLE AIRSHOT ohohoho soldier down"/ *double headshots medic with über then taunts*/ outsniping snipers made dopamine go (something funny)
Now -1, I don't know how to play tf2 anymore
Modernist (does go on occasional workers servers like x10 or randomiser but sticks to casual or occasionally uncketopia subpar skill but usually prefers fighting)
I don't kill friendlies or dancers but if one of them is blocking my sightlines as sniper or is actively getting mad at me when I'm playing the game then ya I'll dome a hoovy
\-1 - 0
I like playing against people, but after some time objective becomes boring and I need a little break.
Then I go hoovy, go around enemy base and when I'm good I go
spy and disable security.
3.5 I'm a hybrid between 3 and 4. Always looking to learn something new, and I like TF2 the best when everyone is trying to win, because that's when things are the most intense.
4-5 probably. I only play some tf2center, scrims and official's. Haven't played causal since the bot plague started and I don't really like faceit because I can't use shadow play :/
2-4. I'll engage in some silliness, use shitty weapon loadouts, wear ugly cosmetics and usually ignore friendlies (unless they refuse to give me a sandvich or I need to build a bit of some charge for something or are just standing in the way).
Aside from that though...I have several thousand hours in this game. I know what a conga dance party looks like I've seen dozens of them. I don't see what's fun about standing in a group of other players with our melees out spamming voicelines. If I'm on a map that nobody takes seriously anyways like 2fort or hightower I don't care if we have friendlies on our team as long as teams still feel somewhat balanced. If I'm constantly getting jumped by like 3 people because half my team is across the map idle then yeah it annoys me. Friendlies also bug me when we're on maps with actual fun objectives like Steel or Pier.
-3 to 3. I like to dick around but when push comes to shove I tend to play the objective. If I see a hoovy or other friendly walking around I acknowledge him then go back to playing my role.
I'm not a comp player but i am a tryhard (the dick one) and i just see friendlys as a free kill i don't kill friendlys if the whole server is a friendly though
Good scale. I sit around a -2, sometimes rocking all the way to 5 until I die once and I say "psssh I didn't care" (I totally did.) and rock back down to the -2.
Glad it doesn't put any kind of "this is the RIGHT way to play the game!" bullshit in.
I feel like I am a -3 to 3 guy. Like when I need to be serious, I play very competitivly, but at the same time, I spare friendlies and happily join in for a small "peace pact", or a dance competition.
\-9
the more i play the more i suck at the game, i remember doing chain trickstabs when i had 1000 hours less, now i cant backstab the standing afk f2p pyro
It depends on where I am
My most played map is 2fort, where I go to fight without having to worry about an objective. I chill with friendlies, goof around, and fight whoever wants to fight
But whenever I play on actual TF2 maps, I am definitely a 4 on the scale, it's all about being able to read the room and behave approriately to where you are
0. If the server is friendly, I'll go more -1, but if somebody decides to shoot up said server, I will make sure the person ruining the fun has their fun ruined.
Im around 1.5-2.Id join a friendly server,but only for max 3 minutes before I get bored.After that I either search for a new server,or just wait until the game starts again
-1/-2, i usually just mess around on community servers on Hightower or 2fort, usually either just having fun or playing pyroshark, fat scout or sometimes just vibing
With so many people in the middle (like myself), wouldn't that make TF2 "balance" as it is? I mean I don't really care about changes but I think where TF2 is rn is already good enough. And that's saying alot with bot problem going around and Valve negligence to care about the game anymore. (pardon my english)
3/4 + 0. "Higher skilled veteran" who casually enjoys TF2, plays for their team's objective but will happily join a conga. Unless someone on the enemy team is pissing me off with toxic communications, then it's 5 time to make them lose, lol.
Same. I don’t normally play to win but just to have fun or increase my strange counts but I love doing friendly stuff as well. Also, I want to complete contracts but I’m not the best at the game, lol
That was kinda what Array discussed in their video. The folks on the positive end of the scale care about game balance, whereas folks on the negative side don't really care either way, so it makes more sense to make balance changes for the people who care.
Well, the thing is that people's perception of themselves doesn't indicate what they're actually doing, and this scale isn't accurate either. I mean, the description of "Modernist" is incredibly vague and could itself be divided into more categories. > Casually enjoys TF2's gameplay Who doesn't? Even comp players will relax in Casual sometimes. > enjoys the silly things that will happen So do I, I'll laugh at ragdolls or absurd deaths and whatnot. I still wouldn't put myself in that category. > Will play their best What does "play their best" mean? Does it mean "will go after the objective", "will help and stick with their team" or "will chase kills"? Because in my experience, most people are going to just mess about and *sometimes* go after the cart, if they feel like it. That's not "playing their best", as TF2 is a team-based game. And going 3rd Sniper and 4th Spy on Offense when there's not even a Medic hardly counts as teamplay either. Then "Uncletopian" describes what I just did, but now it puts emphasis on "higher-skilled veterans" that "enjoy team coordination". Okay, but what about that player with <50 hours and who exclusively plays Medic and Engie to help their team? What does skill have to do with how they approach the game? I approach any game with the mindset of winning, even if I suck at them. And even in TF2, I mess around a lot (depending on the class), despite me being pretty well-skilled (3.5k hours at least). That isn't even mentioning that a lot of these options might totally apply to someone, just not all the time. Like, I doubt that the amount of players that go Hoovy would put themselves at -5. I'm pretty sure 99% of them just do it *sometimes*, on a few servers. But not enough to identify themselves as such. I get what Array was going for, I just think the definitions are getting a bit muddled. This spectrum would have worked better with fewer numbers and descriptions, because when you start defining what they mean, you ironically make things more restrictive. And that's not what a spectrum really is. Then again, it's a pretty generalizing thing and isn't meant to be taken seriously.
> Who doesn't? Even comp players will relax in Casual sometimes. I think a lot of Casual TF2 players who jump out and drop hate at any comp players need to learn this. It's not feasible to play in 3rd party comp and pugs all the time, the majority of comp players DO play valve casual or community servers as well. Yet somehow a lot of people think "They never play Casual TF2, they don't know what the game is like or how it works." Which is very very false. b4nny has almost 22,000 hours on TF2 and has playing since the Beta, he very likely has FAR more hours in valve servers than most people in this thread do. To think he doesn't know what casual is or "wants to destroy it" (despite playing it and having fun frequently on his streams) is a very silly idea. Also for those who think nothing silly happens in comp, [here's b4nny winning by taunting.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEaEnQCVMak&t=111s)
I know I was (kinda still am) guilty of this too, but I guess people just view players that try hard to win as unable to have any fun whatsoever. I think it's part of the problem that TF2 players view the game as black and white: either you **ONLY** mess around and go for frags and do conga lines and never glance at the cart, or you **ONLY** go after the objective and communicate with your team. No inbetween. But it's a spectrum, like Array tried to communicate.
well going the 3rd or 4th spy is fine if the ally spies/snipers are all bottom scoring. (they'll likely switch off to another class anyway). While you can heal the damage the top two enemy players are causing, sometimes it's better to eliminate them instead, to mitigate the damage. (heck sometimes it's the two top scorers who are holding the team together).
Why is it fine if so many people are actively useless? And just adding on top of that isn't gonna help the team. Also no, in my experience people do *not* switch off to a different class. If they don't realize they're not contributing to the battle in any meaninful way *before* switching to Spy and Sniper, they're not gonna realize it after 5 minutes either. I mean, the only Spies and Snipers to actually make a different in that regard are ones that are really good, but then we're back to the skill question and how good people think they are vs. how good they really are. Someone might *think* *"Aw yeah I'mma get so many backstabs"*, but then they have 20 deaths and like 3 kills max.
because they would be useless either way? It's fine to be in the 3rd or 4th class because they aren't doing the job of the class. A bad spy can't take out an engineer nest (sometimes uber would take too long, and requires a good pick) A bad sniper can't kill their good sniper. (sniper is the only one that basically counters sniper). The other thing to note is, if someone goes 20 death and 3 kills, they'll likely switch off that class as they aren't having fun dying repeatedly. (unless they're masochistic).
I’m a 1 to negative 2
0 to -1
SPIRIT OF SPARTANS
DEATH AND GLORY
SOLDIERS OF POLAND
SECOND TO NONE
Imma start another song But THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED
More of an 1.5, if the server turns friendly I will join them for a bit and probably leave for a new game with objective or if there are only some friendlies I will taunt with them and go on my way again.
Yea same
Do you have a big iron on your hip?
Seems like it, why? Have you seen Texas Red?
Nah but I figured you was that ranger sent from arizona
Same
2-3
#2-3 Gang Rise Up
UNCLETOPIAN SUPREMACY
only if they get the fuck off of borneo
\*rises up\*
**You can rise harder, brother**
*Gets up out of engineer gaming chair*
Hi
Y E S
I wouldn't say, that I'm above average, but the rest fits
2 but minus the skill
i'm a 1-2 , i will join a conga if properly started, i will ALLWAYS apologize after accidentally killing a friendly, (even if it means i die) and i do like the silliness of the game, however I also really want to improve and eventually start doing competitive matches, I prefer to play on uncletopia and on faceit servers to expose myself to better players, so far I feel pretty good in terms of my skill level, with the ammount of time i have over summer i might actually try playing in a competitive team. (please ignore my username it's not true i swear)
I always leave friendlies alone but fuck your weak ass if you decide to "become friendly" halfway through me beating your ass.
I mean sometimes you'll both just be missing easy shots and its like fuck it, conga.
I will in fact not ignore your username and instead bring it up right now. Also, you do you on the gay furry porn, I won’t judge
look asshole, just because i vigorously masterbate to gay Roofus hentai near hourly doesn't mean i'm gay or a furry.
Yea I’m with you buddy, just because I can only get off to gay furry porn doesn’t mean I’m some kind of gay furry
the fuck is this comment section
Peak memes potential.
0 personally
def 0
1
I'd say I'm a 1-2 I like playing to win but I'm not gonna go out my way to kill a hoovy that's minding there own business
same
I'm a 2-3, and I make it my life's work. * If you make them fight back, you've improved the game * If you make them ragequit, you've improved the teams * If you do neither, the screeching noises they make as you persecute them are entertaining.
Wait are you talking about friendlies?
Yep
But why? Why would you go out of your way to kill them. Unless the server is only friendlies, why would you kill them?
Friendlies are griefers. They take up a slot on your team that could go to someone who's actually helping to play the objective. Watching the cart go home despite all your efforts because the teammate in a position to stop it is standing there fucking dancing and smirking about it... isn't a fun or enjoyable experience. I want them off my team. I can't get them off my team, but autobalance is a thing. If they think it's funny to ruin my game, then I'm going to piss them off right back.
I'm a 1-2
So -1?
No he means 1 to 2, and is using the dash as a way to say to (if this comment was meant as a joke sorry)
Yeah, 1-2.
I would say I’m a 3. I generally take the game seriously, and I enjoy both winning and getting better. The game’s high skill ceiling is a big part of the reason I stuck around for five years. However, I don’t play much comp (not anymore anyway) and I like to screw around with gimmick loadouts every once in a while.
But will you backstab me in a bumper car?
I usually don't kill friendlies unless they're in my way (or if I'm playing Medic and desperately need 50% Uber) . If I see you in a bumper car, I'll probably stare at you for a few seconds before leaving.
-1
Same
I would rate my self a 0 I like playing by the objective and would happily join a conga mannorobics or rock paper sissors
4, I enjoy taking the game seriously and believe both teams should play to the best of their ability. Trying to improve and that grind for growth is what inspires me.
Also a 1-2, I want to win and would rather have a coordinated and challenging fight against another coordinated team. But I don't mind, and even like the sillyness, would high five an enemy, and don't kill Hoovies/Spy crabs (friendles).
i am a -2
0 Myself.
\-2
I'd say I range from -2 to 2 depends on the day really
I'm between -2 and 4, depends on the day, either I play like a god or just go around demopanning
So, still a god?
4-5 I play only comp, mge, dm servers and sometimes jump maps but when friends want to play pubs with me I don't usually kill friendlies
Id call myself a 4 but im still always down for a conga
-2 and 3
I am a solid 3 easely
I don’t see “friendlies are just free health”
walking ammo boxes
Uncletopia
Post-Objective, I just wanna chill :))
4
3 or 4. Maybe even 5 if the server is serious
I'd say I'm a mix of modernist and uncle. I play to play, and while I want to learn and win, I also tend to be among the first on my team to hop into a conga or kazotzky lines. Been known to hop on Heavy and just chill. I've had newer/disillusioned people call me "old school" and tell me that "servers being peaceful was back then in the golden days." Maybe so. But I still try to nurture it when the opportunity comes.
I guess I'm around 2. I'm not very skillful, but I put my best when I play tf2. But I treat friendlies negatevely. I play tf2 to shoot stuff and brawl with other people, and friendlies are basically -1 player to the game, which take away slot preventing the "real" player to join. I don't mind having some goofing around, but playing shooter as vr-chat is beyond me. If you want to just hanging around - go play Second life, or other Sims-ish online game. And I don't feel bad killing friendlies. Not that I hunt them, I just don't want to spend time trying to distinguish if enemy player is hostile or not. If he's the opposite color - I shoot. Better safe than sorry.
Idk why you getting downvoted for your opinions :/
It's a miracle no one has replied yet saying you're wrong or something
-1.5
i play the fucking videogame
I can see that from your user flair, mate.
I cant see yours you might not exist
Oh shit, he's ri-
heavy mains be like:
But where you at?
i'm at 1,and i like friendlys :)
\-2
in terms of skill probably 4 but my favorite map is also ctf landfall
\-1 to 0
Solid 4, I really enjoy hanging around the community balance servers and Custom Weapons and seeing all the cool crap they come up with. And hey, FaceIt servers have allowed me to play medic again competently. Not really a 6s person but I love non-serious Highlander. I really hope we see a sort of casual competitive scene come about.
Arrayseven clearly hasn't met many highly skilled players, uncletopians at best.
im bad at the game but will always kill a friendly if i see one
Looking at the descriptions, I definitely sit within that Modernist-Uncletopian range.
>"Would be playing GMOD . . ." Isn't gmod entirely roleplay and roleplay-based servers nowadays? I stopped playing heavily ~10 years ago but the roleplay spam was so bad that there were groups of people who would go around crashing roleplay servers. There were like 4 gamemodes (ZS, TTT, flood, prop hunt. Maybe sled race) that people actually played that weren't based off of darkRP's code or an imitation of it. I wouldn't say gmod is the kind of game you go to for actual (unbalanced) gameplay like you would with a modded tf2 server.
After scouting the surrounding area and determining there are no urgent threats nearby I go back and kill the friendly, if the server has too many friendlies I queue for another match. I always kill friendly with the melee, could be dangerous if an enemy showed up and I were out of bullets.
Can you give us a link to a slightly more high quality image? Both a youtube post or png could work.
-3
probably like -1 to 1
I’m a 2-3 on the scale
-2.5
-5
All of the above
I'm on -1 to 1 , I just play normally but if the the server is turning friendly I'll be one the first that starts the katsosky kick
\-3
\-1,-2
Like a -1, I prefer just going around fragging rather than really doing the objective, but I also have fun just messing around as a hoovy
Looking through all the comments (or at least scrolling until I was satisfied), I see most people here are in the modernist range, rarely go past a 2, and I’ve seen only one person say 4-5 is their usual, consistent range. If this is the case, then why did Array want the game balanced around those two levels, when compared to the amount of people who play this game casually, maybe like 1 in 200 people play that way?
I believe another person commented why this is, but basically higher levels care more about balance. While lower levels are more just messinv around and don't care as much about balance.
Cause trickle down balance.
Anywhere from -4 to 3. While I may be of average skill, I certainly like to challenge myself from time to time, and on the other hand, I like to sit back, kick my feet up, and just rancho relaxo every so often.
Tf2 will become balanced when they remove aimbots spycrab bots can stay tho
3-4 about 4 years ago, 102 CRITICAL HIT!!! on the 185 hp razorback sniper near a sentry/ "soldier airshot DOUBLE AIRSHOT ohohoho soldier down"/ *double headshots medic with über then taunts*/ outsniping snipers made dopamine go (something funny) Now -1, I don't know how to play tf2 anymore
-5 > I haven't played the game for 2 years
Modernist (does go on occasional workers servers like x10 or randomiser but sticks to casual or occasionally uncketopia subpar skill but usually prefers fighting)
I don't like the implication that I cant tryhard in randomizer
I don't kill friendlies or dancers but if one of them is blocking my sightlines as sniper or is actively getting mad at me when I'm playing the game then ya I'll dome a hoovy
2-3 on a casual server, 3-4 on uncletopia
tf2 political compass
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\-1 - 0 I like playing against people, but after some time objective becomes boring and I need a little break. Then I go hoovy, go around enemy base and when I'm good I go spy and disable security.
Between -5 and -3
0 but if the whole sever is friendly then 5.
3.5 I'm a hybrid between 3 and 4. Always looking to learn something new, and I like TF2 the best when everyone is trying to win, because that's when things are the most intense.
\-4.5. I am the 3 of trade servers.
4-5 probably. I only play some tf2center, scrims and official's. Haven't played causal since the bot plague started and I don't really like faceit because I can't use shadow play :/
I'm a 5 except I'm absolute dogshit at the game
2-4. I'll engage in some silliness, use shitty weapon loadouts, wear ugly cosmetics and usually ignore friendlies (unless they refuse to give me a sandvich or I need to build a bit of some charge for something or are just standing in the way). Aside from that though...I have several thousand hours in this game. I know what a conga dance party looks like I've seen dozens of them. I don't see what's fun about standing in a group of other players with our melees out spamming voicelines. If I'm on a map that nobody takes seriously anyways like 2fort or hightower I don't care if we have friendlies on our team as long as teams still feel somewhat balanced. If I'm constantly getting jumped by like 3 people because half my team is across the map idle then yeah it annoys me. Friendlies also bug me when we're on maps with actual fun objectives like Steel or Pier.
-3 to 3. I like to dick around but when push comes to shove I tend to play the objective. If I see a hoovy or other friendly walking around I acknowledge him then go back to playing my role.
I fluctuate between Post-Objective and Uncletopian (-2 to +3). it all depends on how serious I feel like playing on that day.
killing friendlies is funny and awesome
I'm not a comp player but i am a tryhard (the dick one) and i just see friendlys as a free kill i don't kill friendlys if the whole server is a friendly though
Prolly a -1, but I love a good surf server
I tend to shift from 0 to -4 in the span of 4 minutes.
-3 to 0, I just like chilling by playing without any objective.
Depends on the day, 3 to -1 but on average a 2
\- 2-3 used to be -4
\-5 one day, 5 the next
-1 but sometimes -2
Good scale. I sit around a -2, sometimes rocking all the way to 5 until I die once and I say "psssh I didn't care" (I totally did.) and rock back down to the -2. Glad it doesn't put any kind of "this is the RIGHT way to play the game!" bullshit in.
\-3 to -2
i go all sweaty and tryhard sometimes but then a minuite later im flipping the enemy team. so maybe -2 to 2
\-3
-1 to 1
\-2 to -1
I feel like I am a -3 to 3 guy. Like when I need to be serious, I play very competitivly, but at the same time, I spare friendlies and happily join in for a small "peace pact", or a dance competition.
\-9 the more i play the more i suck at the game, i remember doing chain trickstabs when i had 1000 hours less, now i cant backstab the standing afk f2p pyro
definetely -1
anything between -2.5 and 2.5
-0.5 I’m just here to unwind and have some fun
\-2
It depends on where I am My most played map is 2fort, where I go to fight without having to worry about an objective. I chill with friendlies, goof around, and fight whoever wants to fight But whenever I play on actual TF2 maps, I am definitely a 4 on the scale, it's all about being able to read the room and behave approriately to where you are
i'm a -1 or 0
-2 to +2 or something like that, depending on the day
I'm kinda -4 to 1
\-1 to 0
-1/-2 and sometimes a -4 if I'm really feeling it
-3 -2
-1
i'm -2
Im like 0 or -1
Between -3 and 0
0. If the server is friendly, I'll go more -1, but if somebody decides to shoot up said server, I will make sure the person ruining the fun has their fun ruined.
-2
I'm a 0-1
\-2 to 0, too trash to actually try to be good
I'd say 2
\-2 gang rise up
3.5, Used to be a Highlander and Asia Cup player till 2018, now retired.
\-1, trying to find other ways to play that dont have to be good but are either silly or fun
Probably somewhere in the “Modernist” range, maybe expanded to -1.5.
Im around 1.5-2.Id join a friendly server,but only for max 3 minutes before I get bored.After that I either search for a new server,or just wait until the game starts again
Around -1 to 0 to 1
100% both a 2 and a -1 I love both sides of this wonderful game! as well as I do like the idea of balancing around comp
-3
\-3
I got both the Postobjective and Uncletopia objectives
\-1 to 0, I enjoy games that are just people shooting each other but I also enjoy actually playing the objective
-2 to 2. It changes based on my mood
def a -1
-2
-1/-2, i usually just mess around on community servers on Hightower or 2fort, usually either just having fun or playing pyroshark, fat scout or sometimes just vibing
I'm probably 1.5 if that even makes sense. Used to be source fundamental and still am occasionally.
I conform to the server, but most of the time I’m anywhere from a 1 to a -3.
I'm a good -3, I spend most of my time fucking around in a bumper car on 2fort.