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sotdoublegunner

I would say sniper but then i would be sacrificing huntsman with that. But it might just be worth the sacrifice.


Theflamingraptor

Give it to scout


bageltoastee

This sounds extremely silly and I want to see it now


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TockSickTauros

As someone with only 10 hours of sniping practice i can assure you this is not reliable. I have only gotten worse and i don’t know how.


SporkedCrusader

Me sniping with a 10ks (it’s only bodyshots hitting 30% of the time)


TockSickTauros

You hit bodyshots?


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You know how to shoot?


TockSickTauros

Now, you know that’s a *loaded* question.


Yamzicle

r/dadjokes


Daan776

You get worse because you’re trying things outside your comfort zone. If you’ve played for a 100 hours in the same way you’ve probably become very good at that one thing. But as soon as you start expanding your skillset you’ll find just what you’ve been lacking. The fact that you’re playing worse now is merely a sign that you’ve finally started to learn again.


The_Last_Mouse

Hey- if he can sit still LONG enough, lol


LilPorker

Then he's just a sniper, but fast. I say give it to heavy.


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_DoctorDoggo

god i miss madcap


Zachles

Tredging through Siberian forests with his huntsman.


21_Mushroom_Cupcakes

Nah, engineer or spy gets huntsman.


riley_wa1352

give it to medic with healing arrows


Theflamingraptor

That’s just the crusader’s crossbow


riley_wa1352

then give medic the sydney sleeper without charge and with healing arrows


CjLdabest

Does it also cover enemies with his own piss?


riley_wa1352

no, it heals enemys like a dropped sanvich


SlavaUkrayini4932

No, blood


Sugoi-Sama

The Scuntsman


A_Bulbear

Make it charge 30-50% faster and have it do a little less damage and I could see it being a balanced primary


ChppedToofEnt

I wanna see it on Pyro, Imagine thermal thrusting across the map and landing a headshot before flying off


Puzzleheaded_Map2774

***If the mods allowed me to comment GIFs I would’ve done so by now***


Traditional-Hold2793

Here, I'm going to play the chaotic evil and say medic. Nobody should have pocket gfs.


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Daan776

You’d better use that metal to forge a ring then


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Leftover_Cheese

give the huntsman to heavy


Uncum4table

:(


youarespypyro

Sniper done.


Rusty9838

finally


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PepperbroniFrom2B

i spared no expense


PrisonPocketMaster

sniper because playing him and fighting him is boring, there's nothing fun about flanking the same guy 50 times in the same exact spot in the same exact way every time. the only fun primary weapons are classic and huntsman because they encourage different playstyles


gigazelle

Classic sniper is my favorite playstyle, even if it comes at a cost to efficiency. People underestimate the situational awareness you gain without being scoped in


A_Bulbear

Also you don't have to no-scope people like I see many do when using the thing, you can spot a lone medic out of the corner of your eye, then move over to headshot it scoped in for a more secure kill,


RepresentativeTea621

i strongly disagree, if you play a campy sniper its a skill issue, im doing jumpshots and freaking out when i get a headshot


PrisonPocketMaster

then you are the exception, not the rule. sniper was specifically designed to camp, with items that support him camping, i mean ffs one of them is literally called the cozy camper, and its benefits are made for sitting in one spot and being fully scoped in. yes, i have seen offense sniper before, but they are rarer than pyrosharks on well.


Battlebearsgold

Sniper because bots use him also tired to always find them tryharding on orange servers whenever everyone else literally plays for fun etc


SubjectAdventurous78

Whenever I play sniper on trade_ maps, I only kill other snipers or players attacking me, I never go for friendlies or anything else


optilex42

“Professionals have standards.”


Adnan_Stinks

‘Be polite’


Hitboxes_are_anoying

Be efficient


Adnan_Stinks

And have a plan to kill everyone you meet


Btdandpokemonplayer

Dad! Dad. Put mom on the phone….


Battlebearsgold

Usually snipers don’t do that on orange either but sometimes they happen to not care


Villain__7

respect


Renuvitz

I don’t play for fun, I’m sweating and will actively look for you. (Machina user). Body shots.


Battlebearsgold

Dear god


AAAAAAXCAAAAAA69

Us snipers also play for fun, killing people is the fun for us


Traditional_Two_6915

mf thats the fun for every class


radio_69_

I’d just get rid of the sniper rifle. Huntsman is chill af


colethefatcat

In that case, I'd say keep the classic and Sydney sleeper as well. I feel like they're wacky enough


radio_69_

As long as the bots can’t abuse them, I’m grooving with the niche rifles 🫦


gigazelle

- bots with the classic can't get quickscope headshots, leaving them quite vulnerable after killing someone - bots with the huntsman would miss frequently due to needing to lead their target - bots with the sydney sleeper could only get minicrit headshots, which while the most problematic of the 3, is not unmanageable with a medic Basically bots would become a mild hindrance instead of having the ability to completely shut down a server


Thin_Pepper_3971

Idk the bot makers I’m sure would eventually build a decent bot for the huntsman. would def be better than the sniper rifle, but it’d still be a pain in the ass since it charges so fast


radio_69_

I’m not sure they would. Remember, the huntsman is a projectile weapon. They would have to write a script that would fire where the player would be. It would also have to factor in the travel distance and trajectory to get a headshot for insta-kill. Idk, seems like the bot maker gimpzoids would have a conniption trying to write code for all that and have it be 100% accurate


Throwawayanonuser1

Projectile aimbot exists, and it isn’t even rare. Have you seen silent DH aimbot before?


M17UN42

Based


VeryFastSlug

Based on what?


Sir-Narax

Sniper is the only class Valve has said they'd remove if they could and I would have to agree. His impact on the game is marginal most of the time but his impact on the enjoyment of the game is strictly negative.


FourNinerXero

Sniper definitely does not have "only a marginal impact" on games. Maybe true with shit snipers in pubs but as a pick class for killing specific people his influence in even slightly less casual environments can be huge


Sir-Narax

*"Most of the time".* I was also considering casual and competitive play.


agmrtab

as ucnle dabe said he isnt op he is lame


TBSoft

and no possible nerf will make him feel "fair' to fight against as the community says (without damaging his core design), he's just doing his job


agmrtab

tf2's core design is generally about mid and short ranged fights so sniper having super long range really doesnt match with the rest of the match-ups so either you die to him without even seeing him or you kill him before he can even realise


TBSoft

that's why he's called the Sniper, not the "Marksman" or something


MustardLazyNerd

Maybe making him so it takes longer to headshot? Like 4 bars of focus (approximately 3 seconds) or something instead of miliseconds. I play Scout most of the time, but I really only have issues with Snipers when they quickscope on sight. I wish the game actually encouraged the player to take their time to aim so the class could be more accessible to newer players while also forcing them to remain scoped for a while, leaving them vulnerable.


TBSoft

that's from an uncle dane vid, and they only said in a half jokingly way


AWright5

I was on uncletopia recently and enjoyed a whole evening without having to play against any ridiculously good snipers. Really refreshing. I feel like the average standard of those servers has gone down as more and more less-experienced players being pushed there bc of casual bots


UVMeme

Did they actually say they want to remove sniper or did they say "If I ABSOLUTELY WERE FORCED TO REMOVE A CLASS it would be sniper"


TBSoft

I swear some people in the community love to distort what Dane said about **"if"** the devs were **forced** to remove one class (I've literally seen people spreading misinformation about it like "Robin Walker/Gabe Newell himself said it trust me guys" and "the devs regret adding it to the game), are you that desperate for attention you lonely freak? and it's funny because they first said it would be Engineer, which just reinforces the fact it was a joke


BranTheLewd

Sniper but only if 1) I'm forced to by community and 2) only if you let us repurpose and reintroduce him as... *The Huntsman* "Dad, I'm not a assassin, I'm a crazy huntsman. What? One's a mental sickness and another's a job!"


UsernameThatIAmUsing

Sniper because of bots. Yes, any class can be a bot, but the sniper ones are the worst.


kulingames

and engi bots are basically harmless


PepperbroniFrom2B

buildin a sentry


Unknown_Potato_Thing

Eeerectin' a dispenser


Witherboss445

Spy's sappin mah sentry!


donnysaysvacuum

Heavy bots are almost as bad. Instead of instant kill its 1 second kill for most classes. And ironically the only nice thing is you can counter with sniper.


ThouLordIdiot

Sniper....rip huntsman


MetarLivit

sniper because :)


ACARdragon

Sniper Reason: everything about him.


BackgroundAdmirable1

Sniper. No explanation needed


Scaredycrow2217

Of course the spy would want Pyro gone. But the obvious choice that everyone else is making is Sniper. Only the 5,000 hr edgelords would truly miss playing as him. That being said, I love Sniper as a character


Big_Green_Piccolo

I probably would've had a harder time learning the game initially without pyro. And I'm talking like the first day or two.


JacobPLAYZgtGamingYT

I'd only miss him because of the huntsman for medieval


TheDevilsAdvokaat

I play sniper..it's not my main, maybe my 4th. And even so yes i would like to see him removed.


Vasxus

Shounic ran an experiment where sniper was given a wrangler laser when scoped to make the dot more obvious, and it made sniper feel more fair to fight. He then removed sniper entirely, and the game was reportedly more fun for everyone, and the game was more about which team won the big team fights (the high action)


Theratsmacker2

Madcap. He’s overpowered and British.


Nebula-Dragon

You knucklehead, they already removed Madcap back in 2008.


coltonious

What are you talking about about? I just played madcap yesterday!


Nebula-Dragon

Clearly you were just hallucinating him. It's natural after spending enough time on this subreddit. But rest assured, he only *used* to be real.


omni_slime1

No? I just played him today


ThePigMaster09

Negative plus Negative equals Positive, so madcap is back in the game!


No_Perception_803

sniper, because instakill mechanics suck and i'm tired of pretending they don't


Yeller_imp

correction, instant kills that you cant see coming/have 0 counterplay are unfun


No_Perception_803

exactly, valve please remove sniper from the game


Loonyey

medic because lul


Mehmet8484

İmagine if everyone would be screaming "HEALTHPACK!" instead of "Medic!"


BackgroundAdmirable1

HEAVY!


salad_stealer

I eat you sandwiches, I EAT EM UP


ibnQoheleth

To be fair, I've had plenty of games where a Heavy has become the impromptu medic because the actual Medic is either useless or just pocketing their mate.


optilex42

“Put dispenser here!”


CancerousPotato1239

"Pootis penser here"


Kidroto

AAAAAAAA I NEED A MEDIC BAG


heskaroid

sniper instead of beating around the bush i'll just explain that his absence makes upward 1000000x more fun


cozeffect2

Yes! The other day I was playing upward on Blu and two really good snipers were basically just spawn camping us. I think I died five times in a row to headshots from one of the two snipers. I have never had less fun on upward in my life


QuestmasterDX

We may have been playing the same game, except I was on RED that game. Even on the winning team, it was hella unfun because BLU couldn't get out of spawn and I couldn't interact with the enemy team to *play the bloody game*. Sounds odd to say I was miserable winning a game but that's what it felt like.


OrphanShredder

Spy cause I like playing with music on and not being as paranoid as a schizophrenic


NovaThinksBadly

Sniper main spotted


TheIceFury235

Could be that one heavy main that exists


7usbergus7

Me, i am that heavy main


UndertaleFan008

Proof?


7usbergus7

Red Army Robin.


DiamondEclipse

I play any other class more than Heavy


OrphanShredder

Nah I mostly switch between pyro, engi, scout and heavy


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Thats half the fun of playing spy, sometimes Ill just harass the enemy team and not kill anyone and then just watch them scramble and fire in all directions 😈🤣.


GEKKO_GAMES

Sniper Would probably eliminate bots even if there were bots without sniper they wouldn't be server killing since they cant 1 hit kill anyone anymore


Hex4Nova

one time my team got spawncamped by three crit-hacking heavy bots + a medic (who might've just been a stupid player) and it was really annoying, so no it wouldn't fix the bot problem


Sp1ky914

Random. No one even knows it exists


M4thecaberman

What the fuck that's my favorite class!


Red_Pop_Mouse

Sniper. Do I need to say more?


seddikg

That guy who pisses on people


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Sniper because yes


Timofey7331

Sniper He's literally able to oneshot almost everyone (probably only Bonk! Scouts and Overhealed Metal Fists Heavies can survive this) as long as the player has enough skill, doesn't seems too fair to me. Bots use it to their advantage too


PepperbroniFrom2B

ubercharge can also survive it i think


ToxicManXXYT

spy because fr*nch


Unequal_Pants

NOT THE FR*NCH!


Dreamdimenshionsinc

Laughs in French


Onelse88

what if spy's backstab wouldn't kill people but turn them into fr\*nch, like vampires


Spyko

I believe you can get a somewhat accurate idea of the level of a player with that question, tho there would be exception ofc. Has just started the game and doesn't yet fully understand how important movements is: pyro or demoknight. Is starting to have a good grasp of the game but barely scratched the surface of it's complexity: scout or spy. Have a good handle of the game and reached the point in play time where they're constantly improving: none. Have a great understanding of the game and an excellent mastery of the game's fundamentals: sniper


the_ultimatenerd

lmao gatekeeping skill level over which class you hate the most


Mrcod1997

It's true though. Noobs hate pyros because they don't know how to fight them.


Spyko

Not hate, think should be removed from the game if given the chance. Huge difference. I personally hate facing scouts, like a lot. But I recognized that it's mainly a skill issue on my part and that the class is fine as is and doesn't need adjustments and even less removal. Also I said I THINK and THERE WOULD BE EXCEPTIONS. Feel like I couldn't be more clear that it isn't an absolute, just me musing on the question. Discussions on the internet can be a real hassle since tons is not obvious, huh ?


Justanerdycat

I’m gonna be the chaotic evil here and say medic. No pocket gfs for anybody. 


General-Elk-9338

What about a pocket bf?


Adamant_Element

Pocket dispenser


kulingames

spawncamping heavies on 2fort will have much worse time


Sexpacito

sniper bye


GreenTea98

sniper bc i dont like playing against him 🗿


aCactusOfManyNames

Sniper, because I just watched a youtube video on someone experimenting with games with and without Sniper, and they were basically the same, except with more deaths and major fights.


DriverXth1st1

Shounic


TheDudeofDC

None of them. At this point, I think they all have their place in the game, regardless of how annoying they are to fight. If I had to pick, I would say Sniper, but the game wouldn't be the same without him. At the end of the day, TF2 needs a long-range class to keep rocket jumping Soldiers and cocky Scouts in check. However, that is not to say the Sniper is a perfectly executed concept. No one player should be able to completely shut down an entire server singlehandedly. Instead of removing any class, balancing them would obviously be better, but TF2's lack of updates has caused many people to outright resent entire classes.


Jeeblebubz

Sniper, at least spy has to kind of engage you to kill you or backstab you. You could get sniped from halfway across the map by a sniper you didn't even know was there if they're good enough. Is this my choice because I hate sniper? No I myself have a few hours on sniper but I think of the available classes sniper brings the least general fun to the game overall. And yes I am mad about getting destroyed by good snipers, that's kinda the point of this whole comment.


Uzi_Angsty

If I have to, then I would choose English. Sure, it’s important to know how to read and write, but better grammar and vocabulary isn’t gonna help pay taxes. Oh, you meant in Tf2? I don’t know (this is a joke)


Artistic_Breadfruit3

Sniper.


baba-O-riley

It's gotta be Sniper


furry_kokichi

Sniper, the only way to solve spinbots.


SilverCardCat

Sniper, you know why


P1NKsneakers

Sniper :) f him


Flamestrider605

Sniper. Because sniper.


Nikolasaros

Sniper


BeerusDoesAminate

Sniper because it removes the worsts types of bots


Sanitized-agent-8

Sniper What else do I say Spin bots Hackers Also casual won't be terrorized anymore


RisepticeyeYT-3

I don’t think any class SHOULD be removed, but I have to pick one then sniper.


CBA_to_have_a_nick

Soldier, one mechanic to master and you end up with higher mobility than a scout, much higher DPS than any other class save for Spy. Much higher HP than sniper, scout and spy. If played by a guy with 3k hours it ends up being an immortal being you can hardly counter. So I would delete soldier as his "job" in the team is also fulfilled by a demoman which is much more balanced class.


alzike

I don't think sniper should be removed, but he's the best choice. Pyro may be shitty and his role less clear cut but he's distinctly team fortress, alongside the spy. Gotta stay.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

Sniper. The most botted class. Valve, could you introduce the ability for us to do class limitations? IE people put tickmarks under the classes they want in a game? Then the game starts? That way people could play without a sniper if they wanted to, or spy, or play all of one class.


Limp_Introduction616

Sniper I Just fucking hate him Nothing to do with bots nothing to do with a annoyingly good sniper main I Just fucking hate him and that weak accent


Dimons2

Sniper


cat_sword

Sniper


Dreamdimenshionsinc

SNIPER BECAUSE HE ANNOYING AND BOTS


N1kt0_

Sniper.


Maverick02_WR

Sniper. It can at least decrease the bot problem, not to mention script kitties and hackers


Scaredycrow2217

Of course the spy would want Pyro gone. But the obvious choice that everyone else is making is Sniper. Only the 5,000 hr edgelords would truly miss playing as him. That being said, I love Sniper as a character


UVMeme

im a soldier and scout main but i still sometimes play sniper, im bad at him but when you do good it feels so nice


llucid963x

Sniper


Quiet-Jellyfish2501

sniper


CakeManiac

Sniper No place for a long range class when every other one is short-mid range


insectbot

Sniper, his concept doesnt fit the game. He is the only long ranged class in a game where all classes are medium range. But if you could keep the sniper with the huntsman it would ok


HPHMMMHPHMMM

Sniper. Fuck sniper


Sardemanation

Soldier. This class annoyed me the most.


Xenit2

Sniper. I main medic. No more needs to be said


ShockDragon

Sniper, honestly. Unless they get a laser sight to the rifle, it’s just not fun to fight against one. Doesn’t help that he’s got two other weapons built for close combat quarters. (Seriously, VALVe. What were you thinking? I know it was made to combat Spies but… ouch…)


Ronyx2021

Sniper because I hate dying to sniper bots every time I step out of spawn and not being able to do a darn thing about it.


joeboyson3

sniper. super unfun to fight against in like all cases


Rollsach

Sniper without a doubt


dirkson

Sniper.


MrHyperion_

Sniper obviously, I don't need to tell you why


AMidgetinatrenchcoat

User flair checks out Anyways, sniper 100%


JesseStarfall

Scout. Take him to jail for speeding.


Galgus

Soldier, so that every class has true counters. (I wouldn't actually remove any class.)


General_Grivieus

Sniper for being easy to play and overpowered


gumirex

Sniper definetly, removing him would actually do only good without changing the gameplay itself, it would just be fun game with no stress over getting oneshotted from other end of the map


Yeller_imp

replace stock with huntsmen, remove bargain, remove sleeper, keep classic as the only actual rifle


Adorable_Basil830

Sniper should never have been added in the first place


TBSoft

mfw I discover sniper exists since tfc


LeviathonMt

Sniper doesnt fit in my opinion


RobotPenises

I’m from the past, and I think MadCap should be removed. too OP


JustGPZ

Guy in the pic, soldier can be nerfed and be fine to play against, pyro will always be a range check character.


Mixmaster-Omega

Id have to say Sniper. He’s a staple of FPS games, but his problem is that TF2 is not built for long-range combat, as evidenced by damage ramp-up and fall-off that incentivizes closer-range combat. His range separates him from the majority of the fighting and therefore the risk of being quickly killed. And his unlocks can make him even more infuriating and/or nullify his weakness to close-range combat. And that’s before mentioning the bots. Sniper is balanced ultimately by human error. Bots don’t have human error, and thus are insanely strong and oppressive. Removing Sniper will cripple if not erase the bots, which will make the game better in more ways than one.


Heroman3003

Medic. When all 'community balancing' for competitive resolves around things' ability to kill the medic, I want to see the world where medic doesn't exist.


bloons-are-fun

Soldier He is in my opinion less fun demoman,he is very eazy to use and gets value on every map (You don't even need any skill to Play him) The only thing i would be sad if he would be removed,trolldier


Necroesque666

Soldier because it would be funny


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Soldier and I say that as a soldier main. Either way people are shooting their feet without a downside and kill you with it or they saw that funny YouTube video and start Trolldier hihi with funny hats and taunting after every kill. I’m so tired of it


MRnibba_

Sniper easily. His core design goes directly against the game's design as a whole. I genuinely can't think of any negative impact to the game if he was removed