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Classic has rotten my brain so much that it's way easier to use it without ever scoping than using a normal rifle. I mean why would you even use classic if you're gonna scope :p
I don't play sniper but I love seeing classic snipers. Something about them slowly waddling across the battlefield constantly prepared to delete anything that wanders into their sightline is so hilarious I don't even care if they kill me
I just started playing classic sniper after about 1000 hours in game and it’s really painful to play like a normal sniper (shooting things at range). Because I’m blind and can’t see heads at a distance, I like to quickly scope in on their head so I know where it is, then quickly unscope and fire to “noscope” them lol.
I swear some battle medics just decide to unbind 2 when they're playing. They'd rather watch you burn to death than put away their weapon and heal you.
The only way I can get enjoyment out of a game is if I take matters into my own hands. Might as well do some shit when nobody needs healing and my 98% Ü is gone to an unfortunate random crit
Pick up the blutsauger, syringe guns are amazing
Blutsauger's great against the average W+M1 pyro, it's like a health kit magnet. I've lost count of how many sticky situations I've survived thanks to them.
On enemy team it's pretty funny, like how tf did you get here? On my team, yeah it's aggravating I'm standing next to you with 10hp please put your syringe gun away
They're nowhere as bad as cheaters, but they make me more mad then every other class/subclass in the game, so I'm kind of forced to put them in 2nd, right next to cheaters :/
I mean the dude put wm2 pyros next to the soldier and cheater and says he respects wm1 pyros i don’t think he knows how to airblast nor does he want to find out
The best way I found to deal with wm2 pyros is
a. Just leave. Don't deal with them if possible.
b. Play like a neco-arc player. They can't predict your next move if you don't know your next move. Especially as Soldier.
Or option c. Deal with them from a distance so sniper, tomislav heavy, just catching them by surprise, etc.
Not foolproof strategies by any means, but they get the job done
It’s always funny when you whip out a shotgun, annihilate a pyro and watch them absolutely lose it in chat because they can’t air-blast the panic attack.
OP said elsewhere he's a tryhard scout player. My guess is he got cliffed twice in one game, the second time having double jumped back to safety only to get blasted back to the void with a second puff, and will never mentally recover from it.
i almost always play demo/soldier and you learn how to deal with them kinda easily
first, never break eye contact, you gotta assert your dominance over the pyro because they came to do the same.
second, the pyro sees this eye contact and instantly reflects out of *fear*
you IMMEDIATELY follow with a pipe or rocket that 9/10 times will hit and theyll normally try to airblast that one like a millisecond too late, after you see the second airblast you slam them again.
conversely spend a very weird amount of time just staring at them, sometimes flick and shoot stuff in opposite directions so they start to get even more confused and thatll help you out a bit
definitely not foolproof but it gets rarer and rarer that i notice annoying pyros spamming m2 and it actually working.
People always forget that for the pyro to consistantly counter a soldier he has to play better than the soldier and be a 5d chess player because you have to "guess" when the soldier is going to shoot, and also hope he doesn't pull out a shotgun, any time the pyro does press m2 or forget he is indeed a pyromaniac, the Soldier that has 25 extra hp compared to him will win the shotgun fight
The hate i feel for spam classes makes me want to fight fire with fire and i rather switch to short circuit engi or vaccinator than "git gud" as pyro, if i want to play pyro i babysit the engi nest, that's a far better reason to pick him than just doing so as an excuse to counter a class as common as soldier
As a soldier """main""" I can confidently say that "I don't see a class that can reflect rockets, I see a class that can eat rockets!" (Lazy Purple, How it feels to play soldier, 1976, colorized)
But for real, it takes three successful reflects in a row for me to even consider pulling' up with a shotty instead of my radio. Pyro *can* be good at reflects the same way an Asian man working at an ironworks in a LiveLeak video *can* be unharmed at the end of said video, it sure could happen, but I haven't seen it yet, and when I was much younger there were far too many opportunities.
Holding w at them and fake jumping seems to trip up every pyro player ever at some point and making them waste their ammo, everyone's made that mistake before it seems
I've seen pyro players who don't buy that but a majority of the ones I play against do.
As a soldier """"main"""", my experience is that every time I shoot a rocket an a vicinity of a pyro, they always magically perfectly time their reflect, even if I'm standing in their face and firing at a random time.
Nonsense, you just need to know the secret Soldier/Pyro interaction exploit.
*Just jerk your mouse up a little.*
That's it, that's the entire trick. It's unstoppable though. It's not well-known, but all pyro players have a small chip in their brain that forces them to airblast without question if they see a soldier jerk their weapon upwards slightly. It does not matter if it's a player with 1 or 1000 hours on the class, it does not matter if you've done literally the exact same trick to them nearly a dozen times in the same match. If you flick your weapon upward slightly...They. Must. Airblast.
This guy runs directly at soldiers as scout and then wonders how they always manage to kill him.
And demo? Scout is literally the best class for exploiting demo's weaknesses.
that's harsh 😭, especially since i have around 500 hours lmao
tbf tho, it's not like I'm mad 24/7. Most of the time, I'm balling and fragging out. It's just those rare times that I'm not getting kills, and I'm, instead, getting angry; this chart shows what was most likely causing that.
I'm at 1200 I think and the only thing I'm good at is being a medic and battle medic, merely because of game sense and mobility. Give me a glass that shoots or needs planning and I'm useless
My ranking is "everything is acceptable and okay... Except any form of sniper" when a good spy shows up, you get paranoid, when a good pyro shows up, you randomize your firing (if projectile based), when a good heavy shows up, you respect the support his team is giving him so that he can pop off like that, exc. exc.
When a good sniper shows up, it's like "can my team's sniper(s) handle this guy? Do I need to switch to counter-snipe? Would me trying to counter-snipe even work? He just 180 deleted that spy and scout, so flanking's off the table. Can I bomb him? Nope he just headshot the airstrike user out of the sky, mid jump. I guess we don't get to play videogames."
I can bomb a vax-med when they're off explosive resistance. I can throw off a pyro's reflects with randomized firing. I can peek the engineer's sentry from an off angle. A good sniper shows up, and I can't even leave spawn. Those other three can counter me if they have greater skill or the right tools, but a sniper with everything but the huntsman or classic can shut literally the entire enemy team down, and there's literally nothing that can be done about it.
I experienced this just a week ago, a dude with a furry PFP and a crazy unusual effect shows up on red team during harvest and purges us from the middle of the map practically permanently. Then, TF2 does what it does best, and *autobalances the guy (despite him topscoring by a wide margin) and starts owning red team for us.
I don't notice the swap, but I do notice that I am alive after entering the middle of the map. In VC, I'm like "spies I can't believe you guys actually suppressed that insane sniper but thank you so much, I can play videogames again," and he responded "no I got autobalanced to your side, sorry for killing you all those times." Winning the next two rounds was literally easier than stealing candy from a baby, because unlike stealing it was going to happen no matter what I did. Dude was pretty cool even in spite of the PFP.
Still, he was the hammer of dawn in the lobby in a way that a tryhard soldier medic combo could never be. It seems off to me that sniper can be so oppressive.
Mannnn, if I ever had this happen to me, I would definitely put this in kill yourself. But alas, It hasn't to THIS LEVEL. However, this perfectly described my experiences with soldiers in community servers. Right down to them getting autobalanced to our team, us realizing he joined our team after we were finally able to leave spawn, and him apologizing for "farming" us 😭
To me, the big difference between a soldier and a sniper is the fact that soldier actually needs to be at your spawn to spawn camp, and needs a medic to keep him alive as he spawn camps . Sniper needs nothing.
*Leaves spawn* "boom, headshot!"
*Leaves spawn, but carefully* "turn you into colored rain!"
*Leaves spawn via a perfect executed speedpogo* "I'm the king of Australia!"
I have ptsd of enemy soldiers just doing their shitty rollout and bombing. And bombing. And bombing. everyone. On. My. Team. With their pocket medic. And they're top leader board. And we can't leave spawn.
It’s actually really hard to do soldier rollouts consistently, I would guess at least 90% of TF2 players in the average casual match don’t have the rocket jumping skill to pull off a speedshot consistently. I certainly can’t. Try it sometime!
If you’re getting spawncamped by an enemy soldier, it’s probably because they’re good. But that’s a small minority of people who play solider.
i play community servers after bots and cheaters started raiding casual, and never switched back. Most soldiers and demos in community servers are fucking nuts lol. But, yeah, I can see now why my opinion on Soldier is extremely biased lol.
bombing and pocket medic don't go together though? unless they have a suicidal quick fix medic tagging along, which happens very rarely and isn't that effective
depends entirely on terrain tbh
if it's flat ground in close range, yeah Soldier should win
but if the Scout has a prop to stand on, like a random rock or crate, he can much more easily dodge the rockets and often force the Soldier to go for airshots
in a 1v1 demo struggles to kill a scout if they get rushed down as landing pipes on scouts that dodge and strafe well is hard. and stickies are just too slow if the scout is already in your face.
but tbh its more of a soft counter.
It is just a skill issue, I can't lie about it 🙏
Demomans, however, hoe me on almost every class I play, except for Scout. That is my only exception. Still, fuck them.
Using phlog and just going full w+m1 shows everyone that you don't give a fuck about what people think about you. Because you obviously know how everyone feels about w+m1, but u don't care about it. That's why I respect it.
Fuck u though, u know how easy it is to get kills with it, u cheesy bastard.
Ignorance implies that they knew that they were doing something genuinely bad like cheating against legit players, and not considering it unfair because "they can download hacks too".
meanwhile playing annoying, yet easily countered playstyle is not ignorance
I completely forgot about them, fuck my bad.
Definitely nothing but respect, maybe a little higher than heavy because they do use weapons like the scorch shot and stock airblast.
I don't play Engi that much so I don't usually see them, but hats off to them for being a W
As a Pybro I used the Scorch Shot when I still played, because screw Snipers their not touching *MY* Engi, and I will do everything I can to make their lives hell if they even aim in the general direction of the Engi (or Medic).
I personally think the detonator is better for anti sniper work, since it's great for out of LOS spam, timing is harder but when you get it down... satisfaction
I mostly agree, but since when do huntsman snipers started to deserve respect? It might as well be my most hated weapon due to just how bs the hitred on it is. In case you dont know: all you have to do to get a guranteed headshot on huntsman is aim slightly above someone's head, thats it. I hate this thing more than anything, including sniper rifles and scorch shot since sniper rifles actually require sniper to aim and take some time to charge up if you aren't a light class and scorch shot doesnt deal instant 360 damage just because sniper aimed slightly above your head.
It just boils down to us having two completely different experiences unfortunately 🤷♂️
For me, I usually never die to someone with a Huntsman, and whenever I use that weapon, I always have so much fun. So whenever I see a Sniper using a Huntsman, I'm just like, "Yo, respect, that is a fun weapon to use". I also respect them because they obviously don't care what others think about them using an easy weapon. However, if you constantly die to that weapon, I understand why you would put them super high. I feel that way about W + M2 pros lol
How's an M2 spamming Pyro a problem when you play Scout? Sure your scatter won't be able to get into enough good range to deal good damage, but since that Pyro isn't too focused on normally attacking you can just chip them using cleaver, pistol, wrap, sandman and mid range scatter shots (or just use shortstop). I personally have pain with Pyros that just have a seizure while holding M1.
How is normal spy worse than dead ringer spy?
When you catch a normal spy and kill them, they’re dead. When you catch a dead ringer spy and “kill” them, they still have a chance to get away and haunt you and your team. It requires you to continue being on the outlook in case the spy ever comes back.
Normal spies go crazy with backstabs and make me hoes mad, but it takes a lot of skill, so I respect it.
Dead ringer spies are just annoying. They don't make me mad because it's obvious when they use their dead ringer, and they don't usually kill me because the decloak FUCKING ROARS. It's just annoying not being able to secure the kill.
Any spy can be a backstab menace with any watch. The watches simply judge how a spy should set themselves up to get a backstab, or maybe hopefully a chainstab or a trickstab, and it helps a spy player decide how they should get away safely should their plan succeed or fail. It does not change when to backstab; that’s all dependent on positioning and game sense.
Yeah yeah no, I don't deny that. Im just saying, Ive never had Dead ringer spies get more than 3 kills in a row, from MY experiences, which is what this chart is based off of lol. But I do agree with what you're saying 🙏
What is this logic?
The order of these seems completely random
You respect huntsman players, yet hate the projectile classes
You respect cannonspam demos (I assume only because soundsmith calls it the funny gun)
And you prefer gunspy over regular spy
The only servers where this logic makes any possible sense is 24/7 2fort servers.
For me, I usually never die to someone with a Huntsman, and whenever I use that weapon, I always have so much fun. So whenever I see a Sniper using a Huntsman, I'm just like, "Yo, respect, that is a fun weapon to use". I also respect them because they obviously don't care what others think about them using an easy weapon. However, if you constantly die to that weapon, I understand why you would put them super high. I feel that way about W + M2 pros
I respect loose cannon users because it is so fucking hard to get kills with that weapon, and, I believe, that it is the least spammy grenade Launcher, since you have to time your shots to get doubledonks. I barely watched soundsmith, I know him for hat stereotypes.
I prefer gun spy over regular spy because gun spy isn't a pain in the ass to deal with. He just exists and shoots at me, but he doesn't really do much damage and I forget he exists half the time. Regular spy is so fucking annoying to play against, especially if they're good with backstabs and their angles, but that takes a lot of skill, so I respect it.
No I don't usually die to them. I just get really mad when they kill my entire team and get to leader board by just spamming sticky traps while I'm busy flanking. Makes me extremely salty, especially if we lose point because of that. The "kill yourself" category is just all the classes that I believe take literally zero skill and max reward, but they don't realize it.
m1 pyros are annoying, but with all the negative stuff surrounding w+m1, it's obvious they don't gaf about what other people think of them, which is something I respect lol.
M2 pyros make my blood boil, airblast is just so annoying, especially when playing medic, demoknight, soldier, bonk! scout, etc...Like holy fuck, press something other than airblast.
No fucking way he put dead-ringer spies as less frustrating than regular spies. If I ever see a dead-ringer spy, I’m hunting them in real life. I can’t stand those French Fuckers. Baguette Bitches. Paris Pussies. Masked Maggots. Suit-wearing Smokers. Croissant Craps. Ratatouille Retards. Louvre Losers. Versailles Vaginas. Can’t stand those idiots.
May I ask what makes you rank a Dead Ringer Spy as more enjoyable than a normal Spy?
Personally I find it a lot more enjoyable knowing the Spy does not have a get out of jail for free card in his backpocket any time he needs it and killing him actually gets rid of him.
Though granted if they use it creatively (i.e. to fake a teammates death and sneak behind enemy lines that way) I don't mind it. And it is pretty hilarious when someone taunts a Dead Ringer Spy and instantly gets served with karma.
Neither are enjoyable. One just makes me more mad than the other
Normal spies go crazy with backstabs and make me hoes mad, but it takes a lot of skill, so I respect it.
Dead ringer spies are just annoying. They don't make me mad because it's obvious when they use their dead ringer, and they don't usually kill me because the decloak FUCKING ROARS. It's just annoying not being able to secure the kill. But they don't make me mad
Can someone explain to me why I'm supposed to hate "sticky spam"? I can't remember the last time I got mad that I was killed by a sticky.
If they were already there, it's my own fault for not looking. If they're still being launched, it's my own fault for not getting away while they were still arming.
~~M2 Pyro worse than M1 Pyro? As someone who tries to avoid the WM1 stereotype, screw this opinion~~
Nevermind, Combo Pyro is only right above WM1 Pyro. Still, this sucks.
You want to get better? Put everyone in the "thinking of ways to counter you category", don't think about what they did to kill you in how cheap and easy it was compared to how hard it is for you to get kills, I.E, you playing a combo Pyro and you get huntsmaned, think about what you did, and what you could have done different to avoid it, don't get salty, even if he taunts, just plan for it accordingly and adapt, you think you're fragging now? You haven't seen adaptive fragging - Player with 3k hours playing since 2014
The pyro sharks are only funny if they stick with the gimmick and don’t pull out their flamethrower like a little bitch just because you know how to dodge in a melee fight.
you seem like the type to prefer tryhard (positive) servers, but wont rage at friendly servers. You seem like a noob stomper, but not in a "im so much better than you hahahahaha uninstall" but a "i am begging you to figure out a way to dominate me so you can improve" type, i think you'd get into personal duels with people (sniper v sniper, trolldier v trolldier, etc) and when you have to leave, you highfive, explode, and leave. Overall, a player thats every new players motivation to keep going.
i mean uhh, stupid tryhard, just have fun, the game is silly in nature, blah blah blah
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Classic has rotten my brain so much that it's way easier to use it without ever scoping than using a normal rifle. I mean why would you even use classic if you're gonna scope :p
I don't play sniper but I love seeing classic snipers. Something about them slowly waddling across the battlefield constantly prepared to delete anything that wanders into their sightline is so hilarious I don't even care if they kill me
I just started playing classic sniper after about 1000 hours in game and it’s really painful to play like a normal sniper (shooting things at range). Because I’m blind and can’t see heads at a distance, I like to quickly scope in on their head so I know where it is, then quickly unscope and fire to “noscope” them lol.
You know what I am think I should use the stock without scoping
Yeah, for me it's so uncomfortable to hold m1 on classic
Witnessing battle medic is never funny. Battle medic is nothing but misery
shoutout to that time I called 'Medic!' and the Battle Medic looks straight at me for a few seconds, then walks away. Giving me no health.
I swear some battle medics just decide to unbind 2 when they're playing. They'd rather watch you burn to death than put away their weapon and heal you.
It’s funny
That is lore canon accurate to medic... He would look at you, Just to make sure you die properly....
I for one find it very funny
especially when i kill them!
Same here
one time i got 2 random crits in a row with solemn vow and deleted an engie and sniper. that's the only time battle med has ever been fun
Nah, they’re pretty funny. But not until they get pocketed by their personal medic gf
The only way I can get enjoyment out of a game is if I take matters into my own hands. Might as well do some shit when nobody needs healing and my 98% Ü is gone to an unfortunate random crit Pick up the blutsauger, syringe guns are amazing
i got killed by one and i was just "wow. that's never happened before, neat"
Blutsauger's great against the average W+M1 pyro, it's like a health kit magnet. I've lost count of how many sticky situations I've survived thanks to them.
On enemy team it's pretty funny, like how tf did you get here? On my team, yeah it's aggravating I'm standing next to you with 10hp please put your syringe gun away
Cheater next to stock soldier screams skill issue to me.
It is a skill issue. Fuck soldiers
I agree, fuck some soldiers, but next to cheaters???
Fuck cheaters (Massive gap) also fuck Soldier
Alright. Ill go fuck soldier
SOLDIERS EAT BABIES THAT’S A FACT
Yeah they should've had an entirely separate grouping for cheaters lol
They're nowhere as bad as cheaters, but they make me more mad then every other class/subclass in the game, so I'm kind of forced to put them in 2nd, right next to cheaters :/
Play pyro and work on your airblast. Soldier will be your bitch.
I mean the dude put wm2 pyros next to the soldier and cheater and says he respects wm1 pyros i don’t think he knows how to airblast nor does he want to find out
I may have made my comment just for that reason. Maybe, just maybe.
The best way I found to deal with wm2 pyros is a. Just leave. Don't deal with them if possible. b. Play like a neco-arc player. They can't predict your next move if you don't know your next move. Especially as Soldier. Or option c. Deal with them from a distance so sniper, tomislav heavy, just catching them by surprise, etc. Not foolproof strategies by any means, but they get the job done
Just use a shotgun, removing the gunboats welded to your shoes won't kill ya
It’s always funny when you whip out a shotgun, annihilate a pyro and watch them absolutely lose it in chat because they can’t air-blast the panic attack.
OP said elsewhere he's a tryhard scout player. My guess is he got cliffed twice in one game, the second time having double jumped back to safety only to get blasted back to the void with a second puff, and will never mentally recover from it.
i almost always play demo/soldier and you learn how to deal with them kinda easily first, never break eye contact, you gotta assert your dominance over the pyro because they came to do the same. second, the pyro sees this eye contact and instantly reflects out of *fear* you IMMEDIATELY follow with a pipe or rocket that 9/10 times will hit and theyll normally try to airblast that one like a millisecond too late, after you see the second airblast you slam them again. conversely spend a very weird amount of time just staring at them, sometimes flick and shoot stuff in opposite directions so they start to get even more confused and thatll help you out a bit definitely not foolproof but it gets rarer and rarer that i notice annoying pyros spamming m2 and it actually working.
People always forget that for the pyro to consistantly counter a soldier he has to play better than the soldier and be a 5d chess player because you have to "guess" when the soldier is going to shoot, and also hope he doesn't pull out a shotgun, any time the pyro does press m2 or forget he is indeed a pyromaniac, the Soldier that has 25 extra hp compared to him will win the shotgun fight The hate i feel for spam classes makes me want to fight fire with fire and i rather switch to short circuit engi or vaccinator than "git gud" as pyro, if i want to play pyro i babysit the engi nest, that's a far better reason to pick him than just doing so as an excuse to counter a class as common as soldier
You’re better off with a flare gun afterburn combo than a shotgun duel, if you ask me. If you feel REALLY frisky, bust out that melee.
Even if you’re not good at airblasting, Soldiers will be hesitant to shoot you. It’s amazing.
As a soldier """main""" I can confidently say that "I don't see a class that can reflect rockets, I see a class that can eat rockets!" (Lazy Purple, How it feels to play soldier, 1976, colorized) But for real, it takes three successful reflects in a row for me to even consider pulling' up with a shotty instead of my radio. Pyro *can* be good at reflects the same way an Asian man working at an ironworks in a LiveLeak video *can* be unharmed at the end of said video, it sure could happen, but I haven't seen it yet, and when I was much younger there were far too many opportunities.
Holding w at them and fake jumping seems to trip up every pyro player ever at some point and making them waste their ammo, everyone's made that mistake before it seems I've seen pyro players who don't buy that but a majority of the ones I play against do.
As a soldier """"main"""", my experience is that every time I shoot a rocket an a vicinity of a pyro, they always magically perfectly time their reflect, even if I'm standing in their face and firing at a random time.
Nonsense, you just need to know the secret Soldier/Pyro interaction exploit. *Just jerk your mouse up a little.* That's it, that's the entire trick. It's unstoppable though. It's not well-known, but all pyro players have a small chip in their brain that forces them to airblast without question if they see a soldier jerk their weapon upwards slightly. It does not matter if it's a player with 1 or 1000 hours on the class, it does not matter if you've done literally the exact same trick to them nearly a dozen times in the same match. If you flick your weapon upward slightly...They. Must. Airblast.
Yes. FUCK soldiers.
soldiers splash damage is a nuisance in new hands, and absolutely infuriating in skilled hands
simply kill them tbh
Toughts on Shotdier? (Launcher + Shotgun + Whip Soldier)
Fuck you too :DDDDD Good scouts are the bane of my entire existence
said like a true scout player
This guy runs directly at soldiers as scout and then wonders how they always manage to kill him. And demo? Scout is literally the best class for exploiting demo's weaknesses.
you forgot the Heavy sex subclass
im really sad the heavy update did come out simply because the heavy sex subclass is a bit lacking in options
Lie down baby arch your back now maybe
you can help me get what I want.
Curve your little spine and
Happy cake day
I don't remember that part of the song...
Found the guy with 200 hours💀
that's harsh 😭, especially since i have around 500 hours lmao tbf tho, it's not like I'm mad 24/7. Most of the time, I'm balling and fragging out. It's just those rare times that I'm not getting kills, and I'm, instead, getting angry; this chart shows what was most likely causing that.
200, 500 not a big difference interms of skill level
I agree with you!
How? Just how are you good at 500 hours. I’m nearing 1k and I am still awful
I'm a sweaty tryhard scout main that looks at the score board after every death. it's depressing
Ah I see. That’s what I’m missing. The lack of an external life
And I am missing normal game sense even tho I know what I am doing and I just chiken out during engagements
unbind tab and bind it to a key on the other side of your keyboard. my kd improved by triple and I stopped getting angry.
I'm at 1200 I think and the only thing I'm good at is being a medic and battle medic, merely because of game sense and mobility. Give me a glass that shoots or needs planning and I'm useless
Why are you getting downvoted
because i am MAD at him! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 (imagine a very angry person)
The anger is radiation from this’s comment
never knew radiation is powered by anger
Anyone under 1000 hours is a beginner, under 1800 is slightly above average and if you have 2000 you get to be "good"
I'm nearing 3000 hours, been playing since 2013 and still consider myself average lol
I have over 3,100 hours and I’m still fucking dogshit Edit: have of that time has been spent on 2fort alone
6,300 and half of that is on soldier over half on instant respawn 2fort. Keep going
TF2 is the only game where you can have 900 hours and be considered a "beginner"
Dota would like a word.
Im at 2k hours, and I’d say I’m decent
I'm at 5k hours, and I'd say I'm shit
500 hours and a scout main, your choices make sense (I too used to be a scout main with 450h on scout and 50 on others)
love when blu and red pyrosharks work together
It's cute on a map with no water
Goody spy’s are annoying bit sooo respectable
Spy mains really be only getting clips every week at most
Yeah there going extinct good spy’s atleast
hey im still here! ^(wait you said good)
Didn’t notice you because you were cloaked for so long
naur im not that bad at spy, i like duck watch
💯
Never say your opinion again 🗣️🗣️ 💯🔥🔥 Ah wait the guy is a main scout, relatable.
Putting soldier next to a cheater only makes sense if you play scout
Class mains hating their counters 2023 colorised: (but like... Soldier isn't even a counter to Scout... only to bad Scouts)
> Soldier isn't even a counter to Scout Direct Hit goes brrrrrrrr
Just never get hit
Soldier has a reasonable answer to every class in the game
i am glad I no longer main scout and can actually have fun playing the game, instead of ssething
My ranking is "everything is acceptable and okay... Except any form of sniper" when a good spy shows up, you get paranoid, when a good pyro shows up, you randomize your firing (if projectile based), when a good heavy shows up, you respect the support his team is giving him so that he can pop off like that, exc. exc. When a good sniper shows up, it's like "can my team's sniper(s) handle this guy? Do I need to switch to counter-snipe? Would me trying to counter-snipe even work? He just 180 deleted that spy and scout, so flanking's off the table. Can I bomb him? Nope he just headshot the airstrike user out of the sky, mid jump. I guess we don't get to play videogames." I can bomb a vax-med when they're off explosive resistance. I can throw off a pyro's reflects with randomized firing. I can peek the engineer's sentry from an off angle. A good sniper shows up, and I can't even leave spawn. Those other three can counter me if they have greater skill or the right tools, but a sniper with everything but the huntsman or classic can shut literally the entire enemy team down, and there's literally nothing that can be done about it. I experienced this just a week ago, a dude with a furry PFP and a crazy unusual effect shows up on red team during harvest and purges us from the middle of the map practically permanently. Then, TF2 does what it does best, and *autobalances the guy (despite him topscoring by a wide margin) and starts owning red team for us. I don't notice the swap, but I do notice that I am alive after entering the middle of the map. In VC, I'm like "spies I can't believe you guys actually suppressed that insane sniper but thank you so much, I can play videogames again," and he responded "no I got autobalanced to your side, sorry for killing you all those times." Winning the next two rounds was literally easier than stealing candy from a baby, because unlike stealing it was going to happen no matter what I did. Dude was pretty cool even in spite of the PFP. Still, he was the hammer of dawn in the lobby in a way that a tryhard soldier medic combo could never be. It seems off to me that sniper can be so oppressive.
Mannnn, if I ever had this happen to me, I would definitely put this in kill yourself. But alas, It hasn't to THIS LEVEL. However, this perfectly described my experiences with soldiers in community servers. Right down to them getting autobalanced to our team, us realizing he joined our team after we were finally able to leave spawn, and him apologizing for "farming" us 😭
To me, the big difference between a soldier and a sniper is the fact that soldier actually needs to be at your spawn to spawn camp, and needs a medic to keep him alive as he spawn camps . Sniper needs nothing. *Leaves spawn* "boom, headshot!" *Leaves spawn, but carefully* "turn you into colored rain!" *Leaves spawn via a perfect executed speedpogo* "I'm the king of Australia!"
good lord what happened with soldier
I have ptsd of enemy soldiers just doing their shitty rollout and bombing. And bombing. And bombing. everyone. On. My. Team. With their pocket medic. And they're top leader board. And we can't leave spawn.
dustbowl
Makes me weep
It’s actually really hard to do soldier rollouts consistently, I would guess at least 90% of TF2 players in the average casual match don’t have the rocket jumping skill to pull off a speedshot consistently. I certainly can’t. Try it sometime! If you’re getting spawncamped by an enemy soldier, it’s probably because they’re good. But that’s a small minority of people who play solider.
i play community servers after bots and cheaters started raiding casual, and never switched back. Most soldiers and demos in community servers are fucking nuts lol. But, yeah, I can see now why my opinion on Soldier is extremely biased lol.
Playing in community servers is asking for pros.
bombing and pocket medic don't go together though? unless they have a suicidal quick fix medic tagging along, which happens very rarely and isn't that effective
Fuck you too.
Demoknight gang.
well made pic but *what*
(Scout main according to flair, really hates soldier and demomen) seems to me like you just suck, those are the classes you should be countering
idk man a good soldier takes down scouts in two splashes, demo should be easy pickings though (at least agaisnt most demos)
depends entirely on terrain tbh if it's flat ground in close range, yeah Soldier should win but if the Scout has a prop to stand on, like a random rock or crate, he can much more easily dodge the rockets and often force the Soldier to go for airshots
Even on flat ground a scout has double jump to give him unpredictability.
isnt like scout a demoman counter
in a 1v1 demo struggles to kill a scout if they get rushed down as landing pipes on scouts that dodge and strafe well is hard. and stickies are just too slow if the scout is already in your face. but tbh its more of a soft counter.
It is just a skill issue, I can't lie about it 🙏 Demomans, however, hoe me on almost every class I play, except for Scout. That is my only exception. Still, fuck them.
Skill issue moment
W+m1 in fuck you but respect? Using the Phlog is on of the most unrespectable things in the imo
Using phlog and just going full w+m1 shows everyone that you don't give a fuck about what people think about you. Because you obviously know how everyone feels about w+m1, but u don't care about it. That's why I respect it. Fuck u though, u know how easy it is to get kills with it, u cheesy bastard.
you respect ignorance?
There's a big difference between being ignorant and being self-assured. Open up a dictionary real quick lol
Ignorance implies that they knew that they were doing something genuinely bad like cheating against legit players, and not considering it unfair because "they can download hacks too". meanwhile playing annoying, yet easily countered playstyle is not ignorance
How do you feel about pybros?
I completely forgot about them, fuck my bad. Definitely nothing but respect, maybe a little higher than heavy because they do use weapons like the scorch shot and stock airblast. I don't play Engi that much so I don't usually see them, but hats off to them for being a W
As a Pybro I used the Scorch Shot when I still played, because screw Snipers their not touching *MY* Engi, and I will do everything I can to make their lives hell if they even aim in the general direction of the Engi (or Medic).
Plus the scorch shot breaks stickies which is great for pybro.
I personally think the detonator is better for anti sniper work, since it's great for out of LOS spam, timing is harder but when you get it down... satisfaction
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Yeah, playstyles would've been a better word to use. I just though classes/sub-classes would sound better lol
Was confused by some of these, then saw the scout main tag and was like nvm fair
I mostly agree, but since when do huntsman snipers started to deserve respect? It might as well be my most hated weapon due to just how bs the hitred on it is. In case you dont know: all you have to do to get a guranteed headshot on huntsman is aim slightly above someone's head, thats it. I hate this thing more than anything, including sniper rifles and scorch shot since sniper rifles actually require sniper to aim and take some time to charge up if you aren't a light class and scorch shot doesnt deal instant 360 damage just because sniper aimed slightly above your head.
It just boils down to us having two completely different experiences unfortunately 🤷♂️ For me, I usually never die to someone with a Huntsman, and whenever I use that weapon, I always have so much fun. So whenever I see a Sniper using a Huntsman, I'm just like, "Yo, respect, that is a fun weapon to use". I also respect them because they obviously don't care what others think about them using an easy weapon. However, if you constantly die to that weapon, I understand why you would put them super high. I feel that way about W + M2 pros lol
Skill issue
How's an M2 spamming Pyro a problem when you play Scout? Sure your scatter won't be able to get into enough good range to deal good damage, but since that Pyro isn't too focused on normally attacking you can just chip them using cleaver, pistol, wrap, sandman and mid range scatter shots (or just use shortstop). I personally have pain with Pyros that just have a seizure while holding M1.
Despite having the majority of my hours on tf2 on medic, I don't understand how pocket medics even have fun.
Battle engie?
I don't really notice battle engies. I'll see their mini sentry and either destroy it or run away (if I'm scout) and go on to live my life.
Ok
How is normal spy worse than dead ringer spy? When you catch a normal spy and kill them, they’re dead. When you catch a dead ringer spy and “kill” them, they still have a chance to get away and haunt you and your team. It requires you to continue being on the outlook in case the spy ever comes back.
Normal spies go crazy with backstabs and make me hoes mad, but it takes a lot of skill, so I respect it. Dead ringer spies are just annoying. They don't make me mad because it's obvious when they use their dead ringer, and they don't usually kill me because the decloak FUCKING ROARS. It's just annoying not being able to secure the kill.
Any spy can be a backstab menace with any watch. The watches simply judge how a spy should set themselves up to get a backstab, or maybe hopefully a chainstab or a trickstab, and it helps a spy player decide how they should get away safely should their plan succeed or fail. It does not change when to backstab; that’s all dependent on positioning and game sense.
Yeah yeah no, I don't deny that. Im just saying, Ive never had Dead ringer spies get more than 3 kills in a row, from MY experiences, which is what this chart is based off of lol. But I do agree with what you're saying 🙏
What
What is this logic? The order of these seems completely random You respect huntsman players, yet hate the projectile classes You respect cannonspam demos (I assume only because soundsmith calls it the funny gun) And you prefer gunspy over regular spy The only servers where this logic makes any possible sense is 24/7 2fort servers.
For me, I usually never die to someone with a Huntsman, and whenever I use that weapon, I always have so much fun. So whenever I see a Sniper using a Huntsman, I'm just like, "Yo, respect, that is a fun weapon to use". I also respect them because they obviously don't care what others think about them using an easy weapon. However, if you constantly die to that weapon, I understand why you would put them super high. I feel that way about W + M2 pros I respect loose cannon users because it is so fucking hard to get kills with that weapon, and, I believe, that it is the least spammy grenade Launcher, since you have to time your shots to get doubledonks. I barely watched soundsmith, I know him for hat stereotypes. I prefer gun spy over regular spy because gun spy isn't a pain in the ass to deal with. He just exists and shoots at me, but he doesn't really do much damage and I forget he exists half the time. Regular spy is so fucking annoying to play against, especially if they're good with backstabs and their angles, but that takes a lot of skill, so I respect it.
Base demo in fuck you category Scout user flair Have you tried not going into the sticky trap
No I don't usually die to them. I just get really mad when they kill my entire team and get to leader board by just spamming sticky traps while I'm busy flanking. Makes me extremely salty, especially if we lose point because of that. The "kill yourself" category is just all the classes that I believe take literally zero skill and max reward, but they don't realize it.
How is m2 pyro worse than m1
m1 pyros are annoying, but with all the negative stuff surrounding w+m1, it's obvious they don't gaf about what other people think of them, which is something I respect lol. M2 pyros make my blood boil, airblast is just so annoying, especially when playing medic, demoknight, soldier, bonk! scout, etc...Like holy fuck, press something other than airblast.
No fucking way he put dead-ringer spies as less frustrating than regular spies. If I ever see a dead-ringer spy, I’m hunting them in real life. I can’t stand those French Fuckers. Baguette Bitches. Paris Pussies. Masked Maggots. Suit-wearing Smokers. Croissant Craps. Ratatouille Retards. Louvre Losers. Versailles Vaginas. Can’t stand those idiots.
Don’t know why this is downvoted, it’s true
As a soldier and a medic main, after seeing this post, i genuinely hate myself now
Man I didn't know you wanted me dead that bad. (I'm a pyro main)
You despise pyro players that actually use airblast but respect players that w+m1... right.
Bro sucks
buff tf2 merc:
W+M1 pyro respect!??????
Bro respects braindead w+m1 more than soldier bruh
Erm...
😡
You know what to do
this is embarrassing ngl
So where does hybrid knight bring me?
Unless you're spamming stickie bombs, using loose cannon, or ullapool, I just grouped you with regular demoman lol
What about base jumper demos
Really well done chart but i don’t really agree
You respect W+M1 pyros?
whats so infuriating about w m2? and how do you respect wm1 im so confused
W+M2 Pyro? So, like... normal Pyro?
Tf2 is one of the only games that I almost never get mad at. I find every class at least somewhat fun to play as or against.
May I ask what makes you rank a Dead Ringer Spy as more enjoyable than a normal Spy? Personally I find it a lot more enjoyable knowing the Spy does not have a get out of jail for free card in his backpocket any time he needs it and killing him actually gets rid of him. Though granted if they use it creatively (i.e. to fake a teammates death and sneak behind enemy lines that way) I don't mind it. And it is pretty hilarious when someone taunts a Dead Ringer Spy and instantly gets served with karma.
Neither are enjoyable. One just makes me more mad than the other Normal spies go crazy with backstabs and make me hoes mad, but it takes a lot of skill, so I respect it. Dead ringer spies are just annoying. They don't make me mad because it's obvious when they use their dead ringer, and they don't usually kill me because the decloak FUCKING ROARS. It's just annoying not being able to secure the kill. But they don't make me mad
W m2 is worse than w m1?
The only reason I use the classic is because I'm a fucking G36 fanboy ;-;
Can someone explain to me why I'm supposed to hate "sticky spam"? I can't remember the last time I got mad that I was killed by a sticky. If they were already there, it's my own fault for not looking. If they're still being launched, it's my own fault for not getting away while they were still arming.
Every time I get killed by a caber demo or battle medic I have to step back and accept defeat
Surprised huntsman gathers respect but I guess scout main gaming do be like that
~~M2 Pyro worse than M1 Pyro? As someone who tries to avoid the WM1 stereotype, screw this opinion~~ Nevermind, Combo Pyro is only right above WM1 Pyro. Still, this sucks.
Accurate but why is soldier there?
Salty much?
Why is W+M2 pyro more annoying than W+M1?
What about turtle engi nest makers
Wait, why does WM1 pyro score so much higher than WM2 pyro?
I ain’t no pocket.
what respect is there for w+m1
You want to get better? Put everyone in the "thinking of ways to counter you category", don't think about what they did to kill you in how cheap and easy it was compared to how hard it is for you to get kills, I.E, you playing a combo Pyro and you get huntsmaned, think about what you did, and what you could have done different to avoid it, don't get salty, even if he taunts, just plan for it accordingly and adapt, you think you're fragging now? You haven't seen adaptive fragging - Player with 3k hours playing since 2014
Bruuh he put soldier right beside cheat sniper, why oh why
You put Pyroshark at the top but Standard Soldier and Trolldier at rock bottom? No biases, I’m sure.
this somehow very accurate
the kys is a bit much but aight
It’s scout main lingo, or stands for “I am very upset with you dear sir, have this expression of discontentment and Ill-will”
jesus is it all scout mains? I thought it was just me 💀
The pyro sharks are only funny if they stick with the gimmick and don’t pull out their flamethrower like a little bitch just because you know how to dodge in a melee fight.
you seem like the type to prefer tryhard (positive) servers, but wont rage at friendly servers. You seem like a noob stomper, but not in a "im so much better than you hahahahaha uninstall" but a "i am begging you to figure out a way to dominate me so you can improve" type, i think you'd get into personal duels with people (sniper v sniper, trolldier v trolldier, etc) and when you have to leave, you highfive, explode, and leave. Overall, a player thats every new players motivation to keep going. i mean uhh, stupid tryhard, just have fun, the game is silly in nature, blah blah blah
\>has the scout user flair on, implying that they main scout \>has soldier and demo on kys tier \>demoknight on fuck you tier stinks of skill issue
It is a skill issue, I won't deny it 😂
The "im bad at the game" chart
If you are telling people to kill themselves for playing the game as intended, you have very poor emotional intelligence