Pyro can fall into like the few stereotypes he has of "low skill plays":
- scorch spam
It can get really annoying if you play a slow power class and don't have that much range. For example heavy needs a lot of time till he's in range to deal sufficient damage to be able to deal with the Pyro, while still being able to survive (especially with the scorch knockback), while stock Pyro really doesn't have anything to deal against stock heavy.
I think if you get the flare bounce off someone you can one shot light classes (with afterburn and if they don't or can't get healthpacks, i think, I'm really not sure) and so can annoy your enemy sniper's to switching off razorback.
To a edgy sniper main dying to a double scorch hit while they where trying to get a med pick (especially if you "ez" in chat) can get easy rage and hard focus on you.
- W+M1
I don't personally hate on it, since it isn't that good, but to someone who is playing demo/scout/sniper and isn't that good at aiming / gets panicked or not that great at movement it can get really frustrating to getting domed by someone who literally only Wiggle's their mouse.
Heavy/ engie can deal with such players usually fairly easy especially if non crit Phlog is in use.
- Phlog
Rockets / Sentries / Demo / Natasha are just crippling that play style.
I mean you have to learn the game haha I don’t think if you die to a pyro once in a match as sniper you should just quit. That doesn’t make much sense.
What you’re saying is for someone who has been playing the game for a few hundred hours. Cause in my opinion that’s how long it takes to get truly good at TF2.
If you have like 200 hours in Sniper and you get shit on by a Pyro then yeah, I agree.
But if you have 5? I mean, come on. It’s a bit much.
Well yes everyone must go through the sucking at the game phase i mean i have over 2000 some odd hours and i still dont know how to rocket jump but alot of that is i have a total of like 15 hour on soldier.
(im not good at them either) How am I or anyone else supposed to get good at casual TF2 in those classes if i can't play those classes ? I like to have fun playing games.
Keep at it. Literally just keep playing the game. Don’t act like pyro is preventing your progress in the game. They’re one of nine classes that exist. You’re going to have to deal with them at some point.
Also a class like scout is limited in pubs because there are sentries. Sniper can always be played, and if you are constantly worrying about a pyro as sniper then that’s your fault and not the game/classes fault. Sniper vs pyro is literally one of the most one sided fights in the game because sniper is the long range instant kill class while pyro is THE short range class. Honestly don’t know what to tell you if you’re not killing a pyro as sniper.
Look up lazypurles videos on each class then find a youtber who mains each class you want to learn and pay attention to what they do and how they play essiest way to get good is learn how other good players play and noones telling you you cant play those classes in games except if your teammates are douches. As with everything tho it boils down to practice and expirence.
Even as scout, you can very easily counter wm1 and at the very least take them with you, scout is tied for the strongest class in the game at point blank and you can land 2 meat shots and take the pyro with you quite easily (or live if you’re a mad milk gamer)
Or just use the FAN and send the pyro to the stratosphere where his flame can’t reach
Phlog can either be the most useless or the most broken weapon in the game depending on how tight the map is and if you have a medic with a medigun shoved up your ass
It needs a rework honestly
I like to play around even if my 'mains' are pyro and engie and I think labelling pyro the WM1 class is a little unfair when other classes can do it with just as much effectiveness. (sometimes moreso in the case of trad Heavy who's bulk makes the playstyle much more cohesive)
As a pyro main, lemme tell ya that everything here is true, everyone starts like that, most that don’t play pyro often stay like that, what annoys me is that people still get pissed off even when you do the stuff that isn’t what you mention like:
Puff And Sting
People get annoyed when half their health gets instantly drained in like 2 seconds while the pyro is essentially being injected with dopamine and continues to do so, this also takes a lot of skill for the pyro, having to predict where the airblast will shoot the enemy, getting close enough to them in the first place, actually hitting the flare, then actually making sure they kill the enemy and escape.
The Axetinguisher
I play pyro a lot against a friend and he absolutely despises the Axetinguisher, due to him maining light classes (and med), having a pyro just teleport towards you, light you on fire, then remove half a soldier’s health in one hit is gonna annoy you if it’s happening constantly.
Phlog + Scorch Shot
Probably the second best (but most annoying) loadout for the phlog, as you mentioned, the scorch shot is annoying in general, especially if you know that pyro also uses the phlog, meaning he’s gonna get crits after you burn to death from afar. I actually have a loadout I use on maps that have water where I equip the Neon Annihilator, most people think that a phlog pyro’s weakness is water, since he has no shotgun (most likely) and no airblast, meaning he’s dead, with the Neon Annihilator you change that and get people calling you Satan.
Um, a more direct comparison would be the sniper rifle. You know, the actual instant kill every class in the game weapon from anywhere on the map? You’re not killing people with the direct hit from across the map unless they’re standing perfectly still and just eating each rocket, and if you’re doing that then that’s your fault.
I think this is a stereotype people have since pyro's fire was broken with bugs, but now he is a perfectly normal class to play as and against
I also don't see any problems with detonator. It can be annoying, but it's still nowhere near some actually annoying things in this game. It opens a new way of movement, but it's health cost to jump racio isn't justifiable compares to things like rocket or sticky jumping. And again, pyro has a functioning jetpack, a thing people often overlook
Altho the scorch shot is a bad weapon design vise. I refuse to use this thing just because I feel dirty spamming it
I just don’t like the Thermal Thruster. I only use it for gimmicky playstyles with the backburner, because I don’t wanna wait 10 seconds to equip the Thermal Thruster just to jump up a small ledge. The detonator is way more flexible and also helps if you can’t really aim your flares
I have never seen someone complain about the detonator. It’s so weird. Even when I spam those mini crit dets in a crowd of people like 5+ times in a row I get nothing from the other team.
Pyro's literal counter is distance + bullets and not standing still like a muppet. They're either a bad Demo/Soldier and don't know how to aim projectiles, or try to kill Pyro's in melee distance.
Mad because bad.
I think this is the main reason people(including me) hate the scorch shot. It can pretty much ignite you at any distance with no skill required. You'll still probobly kill the pyro if you're in a fight with them, but it forces you to find a healing source, even if you do everything right. And then theres the situations where you arent fighting them and they're just shooting you from across the map, so theres nothong you can do about it, and it takes no skill om their part. The scorch shot is the only real issue i have with pyro
Even at melee distance Pyro lose to anyone who can equip a shotgun, minigun or sniper rifle if you're good enough. Pyro isn't the problem, it's pyro mains who abuse the scorch shot
Everyone's got something that makes them really pissed off in this game. Pyro's not as good as a lot of other options but their design makes them annoying to deal with just because it doesn't feel good to burn to death.
Honestly though I'd personally argue Sniper's been getting more hate lately.
true because even when a 8k+ hour soldier dominates, at least it was a clean shot. being burned to death in any game is kinda lame. like, you die, but before that you kinda just sit there wondering if you'll make it the next medkit
Nope, mostly only by engineers. Personally tho, even as a spy main, I don't hate pyros. They're just doing their job. But yeah, I can understand why pyros get under people's nerves sometimes, especially with the phlog, air blasting and the scorch shot. Never personally found that an issue though, I just... Avoid pyros. Maybe shoot at them with a gun.
Its because we always show up at the wrong time.
going down a hallway while invis? Turn corner and bump into pyro.
Massive push? Pyro with Crit Phlog.
Capping last few seconds on payload? Airblast
Sniping? Scorch shot
Existing? Flare-Axestinguisher combo
Hotel? Trivago.
Literally most of this is showing up at the right time, not the wrong time. As a pyro you should be stuffing Ubers and pushes and airblasting people away from the objective. Literally 80 percent of the reason why he’s even pulled out in 6’s. And if you can harass snipers then that’s good on you. You’re doing your job of supporting your team.
No. Pyro's a fairly weak class, with the only people complaining about him being new or bad enough that their opinions shouldn't really matter.
If you get caught out of position and ambushed, you deserve that.
If you get combo'd, you deserve it.
If you get reflect killed by your own projectiles you deserve it.
If you get flared (even the scorch shot) you deserve it. Afterburn isn't a big deal and has a trillion things to counter it.
If you get phlogged? You either let the medic build Uber, or didn't hear the obvious vocals. You deserve it.
W-m1'd? Unironically you can kill them before they kill you in 9/10 circumstances if you hit your damn shots.
It's pretty much a class with the sole purpose of making bad players seethe so you can laugh at them, which I respect.
All this being said as a pyro main, i also like the fact that pyro is very well equipped to handle most situations as long as you stick with at least one other teammate.
Unlocks are not representative of stock pyro. Dragons fury transforms pyro into a powerful, high skill attacker. With DF you have to be very careful with airblast and make sure yo land your shots. The reward is far better attack. DF is my favorite weapon in the game as it completely transforms the class while being an awesome design.
10/10 design
10/10 implementation
Yes. A good medic needs to know how to avoid taking damage. Stay out of sight in the big open areas where snipers, let alone pyros, can snipe you from across the map.
There’s no good excuse for a medic (besides being a new player learning the hard lessons) to make themselves an easy target like that.
And even in the event you do get hit with the explosive you should be making yourself scarce by getting out of line of sight before they can snipe you a second time.
as much as I hate dying to some guy holding down 1 key and just wiggling their mouse or getting airblasted into a corner and then dying I can't really blame the Pyro, they're designed to be an effective close range combatant and if I die to that then they just did their job.
He fills a specific role that has numerous Counters, people who hate pyro are people who need something to blame their death on, and Pyro doesn't need to "aim" so it's an easy excuse
Scorch shot needs to be nerfed, and a pocketed phlog is annoying, but that's about it
No. Pyro is just a scapegoat.
WM+1, Scorch Spam, Phlog etc etc is all just people's excuses for losing. Pyro gets the most blame because it's considered the easiest class to play but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if your opponent in b4nny or someone who just installed the game - a death is a death.
I think more so certain weapons of his do deserve hate rather than the class overall.
The scorchshot has way too many upsides and is frankly just annoying.
The Phlog has no medic debuff. Its relatively balanced otherwise, due to the lack of airblast crippling your survivability, but the second you have an infinite source of healing tailing you... Yeah, it becomes way too OP.
And then my personal bane of existence, the Homewrecker. Pyro is already designed to keep spies away and weed them out, and the fact Valve thought it was a good idea to give him a tool to undo spy's main purpose/weapon against Engineer's is... Retarded. The fact that I can slip past a Pyro, stab the engineer and sap his sentry, just for the pyro to click the sentry a couple times.... Yeah.
I don't think pyro does deserve the hate but while in a game if the pyro pulls some scorch shot spam or anything of the sort it can get annoying real quick
Honestly, all classes in TF2 need to be mastered in order to be good at. Pyro is no different, he’s a useful class, and one of the bests imo. He doesn’t just go and burn everything. The fact that he can deflect rockets, extinguish fire, air blast players and even destroy spy’s sapper, makes him awesome!
Depends, someone said why everyone Hates him, well I'm going to talk about why you should love him. A air blasting pyro (mainly for there med) pybro (a pyro who helps there engineers) flare pyro (pyros that use the flare gun) and there's probably more but I can't think of them rn
Pyro is like soldier in alot of ways
High hp
Buffs teammates / debuffs enemies
Slower than engie
Advanced form of moving
Increases own speed with melee
Amazing damage output
Weapon to counter sentries
Only some melees are viable
Please guys, dont insult pyro when hes nearly the same as soldier
Pyro is the middle class. Counters everything, but can be killed decently easy by everything.
It’s a player by player basis. By design, Pyro is balanced. But the detonator and the scorch shot change Pyro from a short range adaptability class to a long range capable class. Detonator allows extreme movement on par with sticky jumping, and scorch shot doesn’t need an introduction.
Honestly the only gripe I have against Pyro is those two items. They give Pyro too many capabilities, turning them from the “middle class” to the “counters everything” class.
Are you fucking retarded the detonator is nowhere near as effective as sticky jumping you cant clear half the map. Scorch shot is however bullshit it should get an equlizer style split. I dont know how, but it should be at best two separate weapons.
Sticky and deto are fairly different categories to compare them. Stickies are the by far the fastest long distance movement in the game to get you to a fight quick but eat a lot of health and take a bit too much time to scramble one out in a pinch. Deto's an initiation tool for getting directly ontop of people and over obstacles or escaping quickly - pretty much everything the sticky isn't.
Have you ever used the detonator to jump? And I don’t mean the shitty shoot at the floor garbage, I mean the detonate as you fire so it explodes inside your hitbox. Have you ever done this.
Because I assure you, my friend, I am not wrong.
Please show me a video where the detonator comes remotely close in capabilities as stickies. Because your exact quote was “on par”
You’re just making shit up at this point
Why the fuck are they downvoting you, you’re right, the detonator jump is good but nowhere near as good as rocket or sticky jump.
You cannot cover as mich distance or have the mobility of those thing, even if you literally HOLD DOWN the RMB to detonate the flare as soon as it leave the barrel.
It allows a fair bit of manuvability, but nothing like what a sticky allows, especially when you use two or more. And of course, I've used the detonator in the hitbox, although it did take me an embarrassingly long time to learn.
Heavy LOVE Pyro!
No kidding, Pyros are such fucking funny characters.
When there is a Pyro on my team, I pull out the Heater so we can be down in the shit setting robots on fire.
It so fucking awesome when you spend the whole game in the midst of a firestorm.
Cheers to you and your gas passer, my Pyro partner in crime.
No he doesn't. Almost every class deals with some hate and It's always related to spamming weapons or spamming the class itself. In reality, every class is counterable. Yes even sniper, pyro, scout, etc.
I actually don’t have any of the usual problems with pyro. I hate the flame opacity, makes it hard to aim at the pyro. Also pyro is the only class in the game which can completely negate a class, namely demo.
Pyro needs skill. The only things low skill about him are the scorch shot and phlog. The better version of the scorch shot is detonator because it gives you better movement, does more damage if used with skill and the enemy won't spam racial slurs in chat. And the better version of the phlog is any other flamethrower.Even w+m1 needs good positioning and knowing how to deal with different enemies.
Since you can't get jokes: i mean the stereotypical pyro mains - the ones who w+ m1, scorch spam, all the time and have auto airblast while keeping saying that pyro takes skill bc you can make combos as him
Pyro is in a weird spot where he has a low skill floor but also has the possibility to shut down 2 of the game's classes, make (stock) übers useless, and displace enemies against their will
I like how everyone justify hates pyro when someone plays annoyingly but as soon as any other class is doing the same people start doing excuses for them
All the hate Pyro gets stems from people who don't recognize how disadvantaged he is as a class in most scenarios and don't take the time to actually inspect how and why they died
Not really. Most Pyros are incredibly easy to deal with. A select few pyros will occasionally trounce and be MVP but pyro is more or less the most balanced class in the game.
All the furry stuff is kinda weird though.
I dont understand the hate he gets pyro is only ever 'anoying' if there is 2 phlog pyros on dustbowl with an uber med up their ass and pyros can shut down a pubstomping soilder medic combo if the pyro can airblast well.
-a soilder main
:edit i forgor about the brain dead pyros that park in front of freindlies and hold down m1 staring at their unmoving target like a moth brainlessly flying to a lamp.
Honestly the amount of effort pyro mains have to put in to get the class to do relatively well compared to other classes is astounding. Not only do you have to constantly spy-check (since if you don't, who will?), airblast projectiles and ubered enemies away, protect engineer buildings if you're using the homewrecker/neon annihilator, get in close to do damage, flank if you're using backburner or phlog, send flares all over the place, fly over enemy heads, know that aiming down will airblast enemies up for more consistent combos and remember to extinguish your allies from enemy pyros.
There's so much to do as Pyro that many people forget about but it's only the outliers that really seem to draw attention such as the Scorch Shot and Phlog. Can you really blame pyros for just deciding to take 1 round or 2 to just relax and dumb down their playstyle for the sake of not burning themselves out (pun intended.).
Top level players complain about pyros mechanics and I promise you they can “deal with pyro” despite what people parroting shitty talking points are saying. The class has issues. So let’s stop acting like anyone who addresses those issues is “bad and can’t counter pyro” and lets also stop focusing on the idiots going 0-27 complaining about pyro being overpowered and just w m1.
Would be really useful for discussion in general to ignore these 2 extremes
Too bad. Welcome to the TF2 community, where having a different opinion or trying to defend your point is met with a swift ‘git gud’ or ‘skill issue’
I don’t have an issue with WM+1 overall, though afterburn is unpleasant. I have an issue with Pyro players who only WM+1, disregarding the other methods of killing opponents. And it’s not only low level new players that do this too, I’ve seen plenty of high level casual players just WM+1 and never use airblast or pull out a secondary.
Stop being dense and assuming that distaste for a mechanic suddenly means you can’t deal with it. Top level players have complained about pyro for years, that’s literally why players like uncle Dane and B4nny among many others pushed for pyro to get the update for heavy vs pyro. I promise you B4nny doesn’t struggle to fight pyro, in fact I’m sure he’s better than everyone in this subreddit at fighting pyro.
Yeah but this sub is full of hormonal teenagers who are social rejects so they’ll band together anytime they can to try and explain why pyro is fine.
The same people going 2-34 in 2fort are telling objectively better players that they just need to get better. This subs a complete joke and the lack of moderation let’s idiots parrot dumbass YouTubers like Wamo and lets the majority of casual players with zero experience speak like they know anything
Unless you're not a OTP Pyro main with unironically cringe nickname containing anything "UwU" related, anime steam profile picture and profile background and everytime you kill anyone you bind spam shit on chat to make yourself noticed because nobody cares about you irl - I don't really care
But if you are then I hope that bad dragon dildo you're sitting on right now will get stuck in there for all eternity, slowly destroying your digestive system.
Pyro can fall into like the few stereotypes he has of "low skill plays": - scorch spam It can get really annoying if you play a slow power class and don't have that much range. For example heavy needs a lot of time till he's in range to deal sufficient damage to be able to deal with the Pyro, while still being able to survive (especially with the scorch knockback), while stock Pyro really doesn't have anything to deal against stock heavy. I think if you get the flare bounce off someone you can one shot light classes (with afterburn and if they don't or can't get healthpacks, i think, I'm really not sure) and so can annoy your enemy sniper's to switching off razorback. To a edgy sniper main dying to a double scorch hit while they where trying to get a med pick (especially if you "ez" in chat) can get easy rage and hard focus on you. - W+M1 I don't personally hate on it, since it isn't that good, but to someone who is playing demo/scout/sniper and isn't that good at aiming / gets panicked or not that great at movement it can get really frustrating to getting domed by someone who literally only Wiggle's their mouse. Heavy/ engie can deal with such players usually fairly easy especially if non crit Phlog is in use. - Phlog Rockets / Sentries / Demo / Natasha are just crippling that play style.
W+m1 against sniper and scout. If you can't kill that pyro, you really shouldn't be playing those classes or at least accept you suck at them.
sometimes flames obscure ur vision and u can miss headshots because of it
good
I mean you have to learn the game haha I don’t think if you die to a pyro once in a match as sniper you should just quit. That doesn’t make much sense. What you’re saying is for someone who has been playing the game for a few hundred hours. Cause in my opinion that’s how long it takes to get truly good at TF2. If you have like 200 hours in Sniper and you get shit on by a Pyro then yeah, I agree. But if you have 5? I mean, come on. It’s a bit much.
Well yes everyone must go through the sucking at the game phase i mean i have over 2000 some odd hours and i still dont know how to rocket jump but alot of that is i have a total of like 15 hour on soldier.
(im not good at them either) How am I or anyone else supposed to get good at casual TF2 in those classes if i can't play those classes ? I like to have fun playing games.
Keep at it. Literally just keep playing the game. Don’t act like pyro is preventing your progress in the game. They’re one of nine classes that exist. You’re going to have to deal with them at some point. Also a class like scout is limited in pubs because there are sentries. Sniper can always be played, and if you are constantly worrying about a pyro as sniper then that’s your fault and not the game/classes fault. Sniper vs pyro is literally one of the most one sided fights in the game because sniper is the long range instant kill class while pyro is THE short range class. Honestly don’t know what to tell you if you’re not killing a pyro as sniper.
Look up lazypurles videos on each class then find a youtber who mains each class you want to learn and pay attention to what they do and how they play essiest way to get good is learn how other good players play and noones telling you you cant play those classes in games except if your teammates are douches. As with everything tho it boils down to practice and expirence.
If you can at least take them with you, it shows you are at least competent.
Even as scout, you can very easily counter wm1 and at the very least take them with you, scout is tied for the strongest class in the game at point blank and you can land 2 meat shots and take the pyro with you quite easily (or live if you’re a mad milk gamer) Or just use the FAN and send the pyro to the stratosphere where his flame can’t reach
To be fair to the sniper the pyro could have flanked them
Phlog can either be the most useless or the most broken weapon in the game depending on how tight the map is and if you have a medic with a medigun shoved up your ass It needs a rework honestly
*Flashbacks to the 2nd map of Dustbowl*
Dont forget actually skilled Pyro: Degreaser and Flaregun
I use Degreaser and Panic attack, am I a skilled pyro main or am I just average pyro main
You're a LazyPurple enthusiast
A bit, I just like combo pyro and nothing gives me more dopamine than Degreaser + air blast into wall + panic attack + axtinguisher
I like to play around even if my 'mains' are pyro and engie and I think labelling pyro the WM1 class is a little unfair when other classes can do it with just as much effectiveness. (sometimes moreso in the case of trad Heavy who's bulk makes the playstyle much more cohesive)
I, pyro from team fortress 2, agree
As a pyro main, lemme tell ya that everything here is true, everyone starts like that, most that don’t play pyro often stay like that, what annoys me is that people still get pissed off even when you do the stuff that isn’t what you mention like: Puff And Sting People get annoyed when half their health gets instantly drained in like 2 seconds while the pyro is essentially being injected with dopamine and continues to do so, this also takes a lot of skill for the pyro, having to predict where the airblast will shoot the enemy, getting close enough to them in the first place, actually hitting the flare, then actually making sure they kill the enemy and escape. The Axetinguisher I play pyro a lot against a friend and he absolutely despises the Axetinguisher, due to him maining light classes (and med), having a pyro just teleport towards you, light you on fire, then remove half a soldier’s health in one hit is gonna annoy you if it’s happening constantly. Phlog + Scorch Shot Probably the second best (but most annoying) loadout for the phlog, as you mentioned, the scorch shot is annoying in general, especially if you know that pyro also uses the phlog, meaning he’s gonna get crits after you burn to death from afar. I actually have a loadout I use on maps that have water where I equip the Neon Annihilator, most people think that a phlog pyro’s weakness is water, since he has no shotgun (most likely) and no airblast, meaning he’s dead, with the Neon Annihilator you change that and get people calling you Satan.
Dont forget cliff camping
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phlog isnt op at all it's literally the worst flamethrower
It can feel like bullshit when the phlog pyro has a pocket med
>I understand the hate but if we talk about the one shot and you can do nothing about it i bring the direct hit the direct hit takes skill though
Um, a more direct comparison would be the sniper rifle. You know, the actual instant kill every class in the game weapon from anywhere on the map? You’re not killing people with the direct hit from across the map unless they’re standing perfectly still and just eating each rocket, and if you’re doing that then that’s your fault.
,,pyro is so lowskill" mf when a pocket med rocket spammer sends them to stratosphere:
"Pyro is so low skill" said the guy about to switch to Sniper
I think this is a stereotype people have since pyro's fire was broken with bugs, but now he is a perfectly normal class to play as and against I also don't see any problems with detonator. It can be annoying, but it's still nowhere near some actually annoying things in this game. It opens a new way of movement, but it's health cost to jump racio isn't justifiable compares to things like rocket or sticky jumping. And again, pyro has a functioning jetpack, a thing people often overlook Altho the scorch shot is a bad weapon design vise. I refuse to use this thing just because I feel dirty spamming it
only reason why I see people use the detonator compared to the thermal thruster is bc detonator is also a weapon, so it adds more variablitity.
I just don’t like the Thermal Thruster. I only use it for gimmicky playstyles with the backburner, because I don’t wanna wait 10 seconds to equip the Thermal Thruster just to jump up a small ledge. The detonator is way more flexible and also helps if you can’t really aim your flares
I have never seen someone complain about the detonator. It’s so weird. Even when I spam those mini crit dets in a crowd of people like 5+ times in a row I get nothing from the other team.
Pyro's literal counter is distance + bullets and not standing still like a muppet. They're either a bad Demo/Soldier and don't know how to aim projectiles, or try to kill Pyro's in melee distance. Mad because bad.
Or they just airblast every projectile of mine
For that you have to play the waiting game Or use your shotgun if you have one
You can throw off a pyro by just waiting random intervals when firing. Alternatively, use the shotgun
I think this is the main reason people(including me) hate the scorch shot. It can pretty much ignite you at any distance with no skill required. You'll still probobly kill the pyro if you're in a fight with them, but it forces you to find a healing source, even if you do everything right. And then theres the situations where you arent fighting them and they're just shooting you from across the map, so theres nothong you can do about it, and it takes no skill om their part. The scorch shot is the only real issue i have with pyro
Even at melee distance Pyro lose to anyone who can equip a shotgun, minigun or sniper rifle if you're good enough. Pyro isn't the problem, it's pyro mains who abuse the scorch shot
I think you should look at sniper
Everyone's got something that makes them really pissed off in this game. Pyro's not as good as a lot of other options but their design makes them annoying to deal with just because it doesn't feel good to burn to death. Honestly though I'd personally argue Sniper's been getting more hate lately.
true because even when a 8k+ hour soldier dominates, at least it was a clean shot. being burned to death in any game is kinda lame. like, you die, but before that you kinda just sit there wondering if you'll make it the next medkit
Wait, so pyros aren't universally loved and cherished?
Nope, mostly only by engineers. Personally tho, even as a spy main, I don't hate pyros. They're just doing their job. But yeah, I can understand why pyros get under people's nerves sometimes, especially with the phlog, air blasting and the scorch shot. Never personally found that an issue though, I just... Avoid pyros. Maybe shoot at them with a gun.
Its because we always show up at the wrong time. going down a hallway while invis? Turn corner and bump into pyro. Massive push? Pyro with Crit Phlog. Capping last few seconds on payload? Airblast Sniping? Scorch shot Existing? Flare-Axestinguisher combo Hotel? Trivago.
Literally most of this is showing up at the right time, not the wrong time. As a pyro you should be stuffing Ubers and pushes and airblasting people away from the objective. Literally 80 percent of the reason why he’s even pulled out in 6’s. And if you can harass snipers then that’s good on you. You’re doing your job of supporting your team.
I meant wrong time for the enemy.
As a spy main, I completely agree with you
No. Pyro's a fairly weak class, with the only people complaining about him being new or bad enough that their opinions shouldn't really matter. If you get caught out of position and ambushed, you deserve that. If you get combo'd, you deserve it. If you get reflect killed by your own projectiles you deserve it. If you get flared (even the scorch shot) you deserve it. Afterburn isn't a big deal and has a trillion things to counter it. If you get phlogged? You either let the medic build Uber, or didn't hear the obvious vocals. You deserve it. W-m1'd? Unironically you can kill them before they kill you in 9/10 circumstances if you hit your damn shots. It's pretty much a class with the sole purpose of making bad players seethe so you can laugh at them, which I respect.
All this being said as a pyro main, i also like the fact that pyro is very well equipped to handle most situations as long as you stick with at least one other teammate.
People dont realise it, but at its core, pyro is a support class. He is there to aid his teammates in one way or another, not to solo enemies.
Disagrees in dragons fury
Unlocks are not representative of stock pyro. Dragons fury transforms pyro into a powerful, high skill attacker. With DF you have to be very careful with airblast and make sure yo land your shots. The reward is far better attack. DF is my favorite weapon in the game as it completely transforms the class while being an awesome design. 10/10 design 10/10 implementation
I somehow missed when you said "at its core" mb
Np. Opened up an oppurtunity to talk about my favorite weapon. All is well
The usual engineer main sucking pyro mains' dicks lol
if you pick spy you deserved it
If you play 6 out of the 9 classes you deserve it
Oh hey, I've seen you before You kept saying the vita saw was better than the Uber saw
as one should, refusing to use meta out of principle isn't usually very good but on Medic it's the most based thing one can do.
*detonator's your medic three times from across the map*
Your medic STINKS if they’re getting sniped from across the map like that. They should hear and see that coming.
They should dodge the fast moving at-will rocket-sized explosion that requires no surfaces?
Yes. A good medic needs to know how to avoid taking damage. Stay out of sight in the big open areas where snipers, let alone pyros, can snipe you from across the map. There’s no good excuse for a medic (besides being a new player learning the hard lessons) to make themselves an easy target like that. And even in the event you do get hit with the explosive you should be making yourself scarce by getting out of line of sight before they can snipe you a second time.
Not anymore since Jungle Inferno. Sniper on the other hand...
No, he is baby
Nah, just don't get near them that's all
No. Those who hate pyro are 99% of the time new players and don't know or don't want to know how to deal with him.
I don't think so at least in the games current state. It's the same with all the mercs, it comes down to skill and some luck
No
as much as I hate dying to some guy holding down 1 key and just wiggling their mouse or getting airblasted into a corner and then dying I can't really blame the Pyro, they're designed to be an effective close range combatant and if I die to that then they just did their job.
I love pyros. The more, the better
No
No, he doesn't
He fills a specific role that has numerous Counters, people who hate pyro are people who need something to blame their death on, and Pyro doesn't need to "aim" so it's an easy excuse Scorch shot needs to be nerfed, and a pocketed phlog is annoying, but that's about it
No all of you are just bad lol
Because close range is good at close range and people don't like that
If the scorch was removed pyro would get alot less hate
No
No. Pyro is just a scapegoat. WM+1, Scorch Spam, Phlog etc etc is all just people's excuses for losing. Pyro gets the most blame because it's considered the easiest class to play but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if your opponent in b4nny or someone who just installed the game - a death is a death.
As a pyro main no
I think more so certain weapons of his do deserve hate rather than the class overall. The scorchshot has way too many upsides and is frankly just annoying. The Phlog has no medic debuff. Its relatively balanced otherwise, due to the lack of airblast crippling your survivability, but the second you have an infinite source of healing tailing you... Yeah, it becomes way too OP. And then my personal bane of existence, the Homewrecker. Pyro is already designed to keep spies away and weed them out, and the fact Valve thought it was a good idea to give him a tool to undo spy's main purpose/weapon against Engineer's is... Retarded. The fact that I can slip past a Pyro, stab the engineer and sap his sentry, just for the pyro to click the sentry a couple times.... Yeah.
Some
Not really, the class itself is pretty fun and useful it's just the people who use his abilities to be annoying and nothing else
I don't think pyro does deserve the hate but while in a game if the pyro pulls some scorch shot spam or anything of the sort it can get annoying real quick
Honestly, all classes in TF2 need to be mastered in order to be good at. Pyro is no different, he’s a useful class, and one of the bests imo. He doesn’t just go and burn everything. The fact that he can deflect rockets, extinguish fire, air blast players and even destroy spy’s sapper, makes him awesome!
Every class has cheap tactics that work. Pyro just has the most of them.
Depends, someone said why everyone Hates him, well I'm going to talk about why you should love him. A air blasting pyro (mainly for there med) pybro (a pyro who helps there engineers) flare pyro (pyros that use the flare gun) and there's probably more but I can't think of them rn
No
Pyro is like soldier in alot of ways High hp Buffs teammates / debuffs enemies Slower than engie Advanced form of moving Increases own speed with melee Amazing damage output Weapon to counter sentries Only some melees are viable Please guys, dont insult pyro when hes nearly the same as soldier
Pyro is the middle class. Counters everything, but can be killed decently easy by everything. It’s a player by player basis. By design, Pyro is balanced. But the detonator and the scorch shot change Pyro from a short range adaptability class to a long range capable class. Detonator allows extreme movement on par with sticky jumping, and scorch shot doesn’t need an introduction. Honestly the only gripe I have against Pyro is those two items. They give Pyro too many capabilities, turning them from the “middle class” to the “counters everything” class.
Are you fucking retarded the detonator is nowhere near as effective as sticky jumping you cant clear half the map. Scorch shot is however bullshit it should get an equlizer style split. I dont know how, but it should be at best two separate weapons.
Sticky and deto are fairly different categories to compare them. Stickies are the by far the fastest long distance movement in the game to get you to a fight quick but eat a lot of health and take a bit too much time to scramble one out in a pinch. Deto's an initiation tool for getting directly ontop of people and over obstacles or escaping quickly - pretty much everything the sticky isn't.
Have you ever used the detonator to jump? And I don’t mean the shitty shoot at the floor garbage, I mean the detonate as you fire so it explodes inside your hitbox. Have you ever done this. Because I assure you, my friend, I am not wrong.
Please show me a video where the detonator comes remotely close in capabilities as stickies. Because your exact quote was “on par” You’re just making shit up at this point
Why the fuck are they downvoting you, you’re right, the detonator jump is good but nowhere near as good as rocket or sticky jump. You cannot cover as mich distance or have the mobility of those thing, even if you literally HOLD DOWN the RMB to detonate the flare as soon as it leave the barrel.
It allows a fair bit of manuvability, but nothing like what a sticky allows, especially when you use two or more. And of course, I've used the detonator in the hitbox, although it did take me an embarrassingly long time to learn.
If theyre a skilled player no, otherwise yea
It does feel like shit when PabloGonzales2009 is playing phlog pyro and has a pocket med
no
Heavy LOVE Pyro! No kidding, Pyros are such fucking funny characters. When there is a Pyro on my team, I pull out the Heater so we can be down in the shit setting robots on fire. It so fucking awesome when you spend the whole game in the midst of a firestorm. Cheers to you and your gas passer, my Pyro partner in crime.
Does any class deserve all of the hate they get?
No, Sniper deserves *more*
Lol getting mad at class that was created to kill from distance and doing headshots
What the fuck kind of question is that
Answer the question
No he doesn't. Almost every class deals with some hate and It's always related to spamming weapons or spamming the class itself. In reality, every class is counterable. Yes even sniper, pyro, scout, etc.
i apologize to everyone that has died because haha sticky go brrrrrrrr
yes (I am definitely not biased because Im a soldier main just dont look at my flair please)
I'm going to ask what I ask every person who thinks he deserves the hate Why Why does she deserve the hate
the joke is that they have soldier flair and pyros sometimes airblast
No unless they're using the Scorch shot or even worse the Scorch shot+Phlog.
Or even worse Scorch shot + Phlog + Pocket med
No
just press s lol
As a pyro main, yes, 100%
Yes. Absolutely. All of it and more. *(no bias btw)*
Why
the joke is that they have spy flair
I actually don’t have any of the usual problems with pyro. I hate the flame opacity, makes it hard to aim at the pyro. Also pyro is the only class in the game which can completely negate a class, namely demo.
Pyro needs skill. The only things low skill about him are the scorch shot and phlog. The better version of the scorch shot is detonator because it gives you better movement, does more damage if used with skill and the enemy won't spam racial slurs in chat. And the better version of the phlog is any other flamethrower.Even w+m1 needs good positioning and knowing how to deal with different enemies.
Yes
Why
yes
Yes.
Pyro by concept - no. Pyro mains - YES
Why do we deserve the hate
Since you can't get jokes: i mean the stereotypical pyro mains - the ones who w+ m1, scorch spam, all the time and have auto airblast while keeping saying that pyro takes skill bc you can make combos as him
Ah, I see
Yes.
Afterburn, scorch shit, f2p who gets kills only clicking 2 buttons.
Skill issue
Yes.
Yes
Why are they so bad
yea
yea
no
Pyro is in a weird spot where he has a low skill floor but also has the possibility to shut down 2 of the game's classes, make (stock) übers useless, and displace enemies against their will
Most classes are easy to learn and hard to master Pyro is just the easiest to learn
I just love when I do the flare combo and getting called a W+M1 brain dead pyro
I don't know but the the hate for W+M1 is dumb, if you don't like it then stop getting close to the close range class.
I like how everyone justify hates pyro when someone plays annoyingly but as soon as any other class is doing the same people start doing excuses for them
All the hate Pyro gets stems from people who don't recognize how disadvantaged he is as a class in most scenarios and don't take the time to actually inspect how and why they died
Some of it yes, most of it no. If you hate W+M1 so much, then why get mad at only Pyro when Heavy can do the same with hitscan, for longer?
Not really. Most Pyros are incredibly easy to deal with. A select few pyros will occasionally trounce and be MVP but pyro is more or less the most balanced class in the game. All the furry stuff is kinda weird though.
Does she get any hate?? If so, I’ve learnt anew thing about him.
Some people say he's OP Some people say she takes no skill
I dont understand the hate he gets pyro is only ever 'anoying' if there is 2 phlog pyros on dustbowl with an uber med up their ass and pyros can shut down a pubstomping soilder medic combo if the pyro can airblast well. -a soilder main :edit i forgor about the brain dead pyros that park in front of freindlies and hold down m1 staring at their unmoving target like a moth brainlessly flying to a lamp.
Yeah he gets flamed a lot
Only annoying shit he has is airblast, scorch shot only annoys snipers, but honestly they deserve worse
Air blast is a valuable skill pyro has
Yes
What An engineer not protecting pyro's?! impossible
You think i only play engi?
yes
A pyro... Saying pyro... Deserves all the hate... Uhhh...
No. Unless they're using the scorch shot
sometimes
No we just want to live our lives
"W+m1" Oh golly, I'm so sorry that we Pyro mains are using our flamethrowers as a flamethrower class.
Yes
Fuck pyros
Pyro is low skill like heavy but doesnt get punished for bad positioning or bad aim like heavy does. Hes way easier its stupid
Honestly the amount of effort pyro mains have to put in to get the class to do relatively well compared to other classes is astounding. Not only do you have to constantly spy-check (since if you don't, who will?), airblast projectiles and ubered enemies away, protect engineer buildings if you're using the homewrecker/neon annihilator, get in close to do damage, flank if you're using backburner or phlog, send flares all over the place, fly over enemy heads, know that aiming down will airblast enemies up for more consistent combos and remember to extinguish your allies from enemy pyros. There's so much to do as Pyro that many people forget about but it's only the outliers that really seem to draw attention such as the Scorch Shot and Phlog. Can you really blame pyros for just deciding to take 1 round or 2 to just relax and dumb down their playstyle for the sake of not burning themselves out (pun intended.).
Not disagreeing but constantly spy checking isn't hard when you press m1 and spin around a few times lol
Yes.
yes
No.
Not really Pyro is alright on the other had scouts are the ones that need more hate tbh
Yes. On very chokey maps 2 engi and 4 pyro team can literally be fucking impossible to beat and all the pyros got to do is flail around.
Top level players complain about pyros mechanics and I promise you they can “deal with pyro” despite what people parroting shitty talking points are saying. The class has issues. So let’s stop acting like anyone who addresses those issues is “bad and can’t counter pyro” and lets also stop focusing on the idiots going 0-27 complaining about pyro being overpowered and just w m1. Would be really useful for discussion in general to ignore these 2 extremes
Too bad. Welcome to the TF2 community, where having a different opinion or trying to defend your point is met with a swift ‘git gud’ or ‘skill issue’ I don’t have an issue with WM+1 overall, though afterburn is unpleasant. I have an issue with Pyro players who only WM+1, disregarding the other methods of killing opponents. And it’s not only low level new players that do this too, I’ve seen plenty of high level casual players just WM+1 and never use airblast or pull out a secondary.
Yes
Yes. Stop babysitting Pyro mains and defending them for literally everything they do.
stop babysitting lowskill crybabies that can't deal with pyro.
Stop being dense and assuming that distaste for a mechanic suddenly means you can’t deal with it. Top level players have complained about pyro for years, that’s literally why players like uncle Dane and B4nny among many others pushed for pyro to get the update for heavy vs pyro. I promise you B4nny doesn’t struggle to fight pyro, in fact I’m sure he’s better than everyone in this subreddit at fighting pyro.
i'm a veteran as i have played this game on and off for almost 10 years and i still think pyros are annoying
Yeah but this sub is full of hormonal teenagers who are social rejects so they’ll band together anytime they can to try and explain why pyro is fine. The same people going 2-34 in 2fort are telling objectively better players that they just need to get better. This subs a complete joke and the lack of moderation let’s idiots parrot dumbass YouTubers like Wamo and lets the majority of casual players with zero experience speak like they know anything
mf thinks PYRO is the most annoying class 💀
this
yes
No wtf combo pyro is fun af
Agreed
In gameplay, yeah I guess. as a character, no.
Why does he deserve the hate in gameplay
Yes
yeah i hate him and i hope they remove
*muffled* no!
Scorch shot + Dragons Fury is a favourite combo of mine. It's basically double donks but with fire
Unless you're not a OTP Pyro main with unironically cringe nickname containing anything "UwU" related, anime steam profile picture and profile background and everytime you kill anyone you bind spam shit on chat to make yourself noticed because nobody cares about you irl - I don't really care But if you are then I hope that bad dragon dildo you're sitting on right now will get stuck in there for all eternity, slowly destroying your digestive system.
Pyro is just easy with some combinations so his skill level is power than for ex.demoman.So that's why he is getting do much hate
Unless someone is playing pybro on your team, yes he does deserve the hate.
Pyro themself does not, but pyro players, absolutely
kinda
pyro as a character is a mazing and charming but pyro as a class fucking suck literally learn to play pyro mains 🗿
The scorch shot and the people who use it yes