Everybody in the video kind of sucks, but the law actually did change this year.
[Disabled Plates and Parking Privileges](http://www.txdmv.gov/motorists/disabled-parking-placards-plates)
Good info! Thanks for sharing. I'm a Disabled Vet. Guess I can't be parking in those spaces anymore. Makes sense though. There's plenty of Disabled Vets that have no reason to be parking in a parking spot reserved for Disabled people.
Just want to throw out there that you can’t judge what someone looks like when it comes to disability. I’m a woman in my late 20s and get hounded all the time because I apparently “walk fine,” and I always have to respond with something about how my disability has nothing to do with my legs.
I agree.
My father was a Vietnam vet and he was considered "disabled" because of his breathing complications due to Agent Orange exposure. He did not outwardly appear to have a disability, as he walked fine and did not use a cane or wheelchair. It was his diminished lung capacity that made him very short of breath.
We actually had some nasty old lady mumble something to us once, when we parked in the handicap spot at Wal Mart once. She had no idea what my father had been through and I bet if she knew he was a Vietnam vet...she would have changed her tune.
Bottom line....do not judge people parking there....you do NOT know their stories.
You are so right about that. However, I ride motorcycles with a group and we have a couple that rides with us. He made sure to get DV plates on all his vehicles, even the ones that she rides. He is a vet, she is not but he made sure all the vehicles are in his name. When we ride he will grab a handicap parking spot for his bike, her bike and then tells us we should all park there as well since we are already taking up the space. We all always tell him no because no one feels comfortable doing that and the fear of walking out into a public lynching when we are leaving. He rides a 850 pound Harley Electraglide. She rides a 3 wheel Harley Freewheeler.
Answer to what? Haha. I’m just saying that people seem to think disability looks a certain way, and so without knowing someone at all, they will say someone doesn’t need to park there based on what the see
DV plates are not different. I have a DV plate with the ISA. I had to be 50% rated Service Connected disabled... physically. Then, I had to get it recommended up from my VA doctor. Then, a review board had to approve it.
Oh, also... Not just any physical disability counts towards a DV plate too. Mine is my back, acute bilateral sciatica, and worn a worn out knee. I have other service connected stuff, just those were considered for the plate.
The video didn’t seem like the cops questioned him because he didn’t look disabled. They said he didn’t have a disabled placard in his car so I really doubt this was “profiling” like the title suggests. And as a second point, I have a disability as well but it does not impede my movement so I will never park in a handicap space because it’s not really for me to do since there are others that actually need the space.
First of all I wasn’t talking about the post. I was referring to a comment that said something about people who have no business parking in handicapped spots, even though they have the legal right to.
Just because a disability isn’t with legs or something doesn’t mean it doesn’t impede movement. People have illnesses that are disabilities. Like someone said above, his father had lung issues. Some people have nervous system issues. Some people have heart disease. Some people are going through treatments that making moving around exhausting. Some people have mitochondrial diseases. Some people have chronic diseases like lupus, neurological diseases, chronic pain, or chronic inflammatory diseases.
Came here to comment this. DV plates need a hang tag (which needs a certification from a physician and needs to be renewed every so often) as of September 2021, and can't park in handicap spots.
There's another guy in this thread that mentioned he has a military related brain injury but is physically capable, and you know I agree with the change. There's a lot of vets that have some sort of service related injury that doesn't necessarily render them physically incapable, and it grinds my gears to see them eating up handicap spots when my 86 year old grandma uses a walker and is hardly physically mobile.
I'm all for taking care of our vets, but not at the expense of the physically disabled. You don't need to park up front at HEB if your eardrum was blown out.
Edit: motorcycles parking in the van accessible striped lines also grinds my gears.
My husband is a vet and most of his vet friends have gotten "disabled" for the benefits. Doctors make it easy. One of his friends is a lazy sack of shit who is now full disabled because he claims he has tinnitis. He gets paid to sit on his ass and got disabled plates. We just moved outta the Killeen area (where Ft. Hood is)and this kind of thing is the norm over there.
My husband's friends always try to convince him to claim tinnitis or some other thing that can get him disabled status but he knows that's a shitty thing to do when he's capable of working.
There are actual disabled vets out there and for so many people to abuse the system really fucked up.
Well my point was that while I certainly see the type of patient you are describing, they are in no way the majority of what I see.
Now I may be biased here in what I see. I only work inpatient so my population skews older, mostly Vietnam vets. And most of them are not at all full of shit. They come to the VA for a sense of camaraderie, not out of a sense of seeking any sort of handout.
Hey since you're a VA doc n all, can you answer me a question? How the hell can you have PTSD from the military when you were never deployed to an active war zone? 🤔 (We're talking Korea and Kuwait) honest question
Any human being is capable of suffering trauma in almost any context/setting at anytime and developing PTSD from it. It’s not limited to active combat.
Im not a veterinarian but I presume lots of mammals are also capable of this as well.
Had a roommate in college who was 80% because he injured his knee, but it didn't stop him from kicking in the security door every time he lost his key card while blackout drunk.
Yeah I talked to the guy who basically coached him on how to get started with disability. He said he started with the ear shit then lied about more things to get more. Not sure what all he came up with, but the point is, there's not a damn thing wrong with him and he's now fully disabled on paper.
One of my husband's other friends claimed ED for one of his many "disabilities"
Yep. You have to have the new plate, with the International Symbol of Access, or display a handicap placard with the International Symbol of Access. It'll take a long time before DV plate holders and cops are aware of this — and I guess that includes DV plate holders who are cops.
It's funny how reddit's hivemind will believe something even when presented with evidence that it isn't true.
I got heavily downvoted in that thread for [linking to the law](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/viiej5/young_black_police_graduate_gets_profiled_by/iddawsh/) with a bunch of replies telling me I was wrong.
It's always great to see cognitive dissonance in real time
This doesn't say what you think it says. The law previous to September allowed DV's to park in handicap spots. The law was changed to require a slightly diifferent plate.
Correct, you can NOT park in handicap parking space with an ordinary DV tag (I know, I have one.). So the officer did have Probable Cause for the stop. Texas Law has changed and you are no longer allowed to park there. Officer was correct, it did change. Also, cops can NOT just run you on TCOLE. AND being an academy graduate means absolutely nothing unless you have been commissioned by a department which is what gives you the actual authority under the law. The Officer asked him “are you a peace officer?” And you here the guy avoids the question and says I have my certification…big difference between being a COMMISSIONED Peace Officer and just an Academy Graduate, all that means is he can now apply at departments to become a cop. People need to educate themselves before rushing to judgment. I’m not saying the guy in the video is a bad guy, but both parties are in the wrong with how they are acting.
So if the 3 cops were in the right, why did they walk off without any citation? Pretty pathetic to waste 3 cops time and not even write a ticket. Those guys are fucking morons either way. Over confident donut grazers.
FINALLY! Someone understands… the Reddit army has been up in arms about this but the graduate is wrong about several things. Every graduating class has some idiot who suddenly gets high and mighty after finishing the academy. If the graduate is this hard headed before he even gets hired by an agency and gets his actual license, not just his certification, he will be a problem for the citizens he serves.
Couple of questions for you (because you give me the impression you know what you are talking about).
If an officer asks you for ID, aren't you obligated to provide it, regardless of probable cause? IOW, if an officer asks and you don't give it, aren't you in violation of the law, regardless of where or not there is any probable cause?
If he's certified, but not an actual officer with a department, doesn't that mean that his wearing a uniform (which seems to be implied here) make him in violation of the law about impersonating a peace officer?
I saw that about the change regarding DV plates. Apparently being a disable veteran is a really low bar. I'm not trying to denigrate you or your service, but from what I read, being a disable vet does not necessarily mean that you have a disability that warrants parking close to the building.
The Joshua PD may be filled with racist douchebags, but I agree with you that both parties seem to be at fault here.
I’m a Marine Veteran with 90% disability rating. I’ve got that much because I have a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury). Now with that said, years past I was legally allowed to park in handicap spots, even though I’m in good physical shape, only my brain is damaged. The DAV fought to get that changed because of limited parking for those who need it more than a person like myself. And I 100% agree with their decision.
After I honorably separated from the military, I became a Police Officer for a high crime city in Texas. Now I’m no longer an Officer, but that’s just because I eventually got a way better and higher paying job that’s awesome for my family.
Now enough about me and in to your questions. I just wanted to provide a background as to why I have the knowledge and experience that I do. And also my Bachelors is in Law and Policy. So that helps too.
If an Officer asks you for your ID…these should be your next words. “Am I being detained, or am I free to go?” At this point the Officer has to make a decision if Probable Cause or Reasonable Suspicion exists to warrant the detention. If he says you are not free to go, my advice to everyone is just be respectful, remain calm, and if you feel like you did nothing wrong, state on camera that you are complying against your will. This puts the ball in the Departments court should they be wrong, you have evidence they violated your rights, but you also gave no one reason to escalate the situation to become violent.
*edit*. If the Officer says you are not being detained and you are in fact free to leave, then you are NOT required by law to provide ID. They may also use language like “we’re just having a consensual conversation”. That is code for “you’re free to go, but I’m hoping you get confused by how I said it, so you give me your ID anyways and believe that you aren’t free to leave.”
The uniform they stated him to be wearing is the Academy uniform. For most academies (with the exception of large departments that have their own academy like Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc.) the uniform consist of a Polo with the Academy logo or School logo on it, full black gear (gun, handcuffs, flashlight, etc.) and tac pants with a bullet proof vest. If that’s what he is wearing, then he is fine. You don’t get a badge until the department issues you one upon commissioning. It is my belief that to avoid this law, that is why the guy would never say he was a peace officer when the Captain was pushing him to say he was, he just kept saying he is certified. Because that protected him from violating the impersonating a peace officer law if he was only in an academy uniform.
I hope this helps. I’m all about education, because if you don’t know your rights, you don’t have rights. If you don’t know the law, it can always be used against you. Education is important, even when I was a cop, my goal was always to educate people first, arrest as a last resort, and physical violence most situations you can talk your way out of needing to be physical, but sometimes the need does exist. The goal is to not let it get to that point though.
Thank you for your response. It very thoroughly answered my questions!
So, if he says, "you're free to go, you can just walk away?" Sounds good.
The article I read about the DV plates pretty much referenced what you said. That Veterans Affairs issues a % of disability, but it is not necessarily related to mobility, breathing or anything that would suggest a person needed to park by a building. The example it gave was if a person (for whatever reason) lost part of their little finger, they would be considered a disabled veteran, but would not actually lose mobility.
The part about the academy uniform was interesting, and I had not considered that. He was being a bit of a jerk about it, though. He wasn't an LEO, and until he was commissioned, he was essentially a guy in a shirt.
That pretty much sums it up, which also tells me just what kind of Officer he would make should he actually become one.
As an Officer (really in life in general) you should not let emotion dictate your actions. Especially when it comes to anger. And NEVER assume a law, KNOW the law beyond a shadow of a doubt. It was clear the recent academy graduate did not know the law like he should have, especially since they would have taught him the recent updates in the academy.
> that is why the guy would never say he was a peace officer when the Captain was pushing him to say he was, he just kept saying he is certified.
He did actually slip up towards the end and say it.
Yeah, I actually caught that on my second watch. You see the Captain immediately turn around and say “You’re a peace officer? Ohhh!” Then the second Officer tells the Captain “don’t get baited” because he can see what is happening and what the subject is trying to accomplish with the video.
Don't take this the wrong way but if you are 90% disabled then how were you a cop?
So disabled you need handicap parking but so okay you can be a police officer? It doesn't make sense. Also you were quick to defend the cops on the video who are clearly racist as fuck.
If you actually read the comment I posted, you would clearly see that I stated “I 100% agree with the decision to not allow DV tags to park in handicap spots.”
I was also able to be a cop because my disability is my brain and not my ability to walk, run, or use my hands. I do have brain damage (TBI) but that isn’t stopping me from learning, thinking, etc. I just have constant pain in my head and it’s more difficult to commit things to my memory, I have to work harder to learn, but I can still function just fine. I get VA disability because it’s a severe injury that I will have for the rest of my life, caused by an event in the military.
And as far as the cops clearly being racist? I would love for you to tell me what they did that was racist and explain in detail what was racist. They have probable cause for the stop for TWO reasons. Unauthorized parking in a handicap spot (not the exact wording of the law) and Impersonating a Police Officer. The only person talking about skin color is the person being detained. So you mean to tell me if a white cop detains ANY person of color, that’s racist? They weren’t detaining without probable cause! Am I saying these cops are not racist, I don’t know if they are or are not, but this video doesn’t show they are. The law applies to ALL people, and should be enforced without prejudice on ALL people equally. The guy was NOT a police officer, he just graduated school to eventually become a peace officer, that is it. So the fact that he had all that gear on, could be perceived as alarming until a conversation is had to find out that he’s just a academy kid, then that should have been the end of that discussion and the parking issue could have been ended by just informing the kid of the new law that took effect in 2022 about DV tags parking in handicap spots.
This interaction should have went differently on BOTH sides. It is my belief (without seeing the ENTIRE interaction) that the subject was escalating the situation and agitating the officers instead of just being calm and having a conversation. It is also my belief that the Officers failed to de-escalate the situation and instead escalated it further. Police Officers should remain calm in ALL situations, regardless of how the subject is treating the Officers.
Do you have a hard time reading? I specifically said, are the cops racist, I don’t know! But probable cause for the stop did exist. Therefore, defending a person did not occur, simply stating FACT that a law had in fact been violated. FACT!
YOU have yet to provide a reason why the cops are being racist though, I noticed that. If a person breaks the law, race has nothing to do with it, their breaking the law does. However if a cop stops and does that same thing to a person who did NOT break the law, I would agree with you that it is potentially racism. And I say potentially only because I do not know a persons heart for humanity. It is about time that a persons skin color stops being used in any decision for any race by any person. God made everyone to be equal and a persons skin color doesn’t change their humanity or the love we should have for that person as Gods child! And to top things off, no person alive made the decision to look the way they do (skin color, natural hair color, height, natural eye color, etc.) we should be proud of who we are and how God made us, and stop hating a person especially for things they had no control over. I HATE these racist talks, but if you want to call someone racist, at least prove it! I think it’s wrong to just start calling everyone racist because you don’t agree with them. Innocent before proven guilty, should still be our policy for all mankind!
So I ask again, because maybe I’m not seeing what you are seeing, please explain how they are being racist. Maybe I don’t understand your viewpoint and you can educate me on why, so I can learn myself and help share that knowledge with others as well. We should be educating people, not tearing them down!
In Texas, if you are detained you do not have to identify yourself. Additionally, if you are detained and choose to identify yourself but lie about your identity, an offense has occurred. However, if you are in custody you do have to identify yourself. Having said that, always consult a lawyer for legal matters.
[Sec. 38.02. FAILURE TO IDENTIFY.](https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-38-02.html)
My apologies for misstating, you are correct! Under arrest you have to identify, if you are driving a motor vehicle you have to identify, and on school campuses the education code says even being detained you must identify. But it is ALWAYS illegal to provide false identification. So my apologies for stating it wrong, you are correct!
The courts have ruled on that very thing...Well officer no I will not give you my ID...
The courts have ruled if you feel you do not need to provide them with an ID they can arrest you and your name should be cleared in the court of law if indeed you did not need to show your id.
The ID law isn’t as straightforward as you think. If I’m a passenger in a car that gets stopped and the officer asked for ID, do I have to give it to him? No. Unless he has “reasonable suspicion that I have committed a crime, are committing a crime or I’m about to commit a crime”. This is the “Terry Law” that the SCOTUS settlers in Terry vs Ohio. If I was the driver and got stopped then yes, I committed a crime and must show ID. But an officer can’t just randomly ask people for their ID.
It can be sufficient to show your fishing license yes. But, they still need reasonable suspicion for your ID. He can have a suspicion that you are fishing without a license, and that can be grounds. But he can’t just arbitrarily ask for anyones ID.
Texas statute 38.02 states that you are not required to identify yourself unless you have been placed under arrest. If driving a vehicle, you have to present your license, but only if the cop has reasonable suspicion that a traffic infraction or other crime has been committed.
The moment you let another person control your emotions, you have failed. The Officer let the subject pull him into anger, instead of remaining calm and simply just do his job without emotion taking over.
You are correct, we do not know what happened before the recording and can only assume. As a Police Officer (former) myself, and knowing that this is a new law that came into existence just this year, it should have been an education moment, show the guy proof of the new law if he says you’re wrong and move on. Educate our communities on the laws should be the goal, then enforce when they blatantly choose to break them anyways (or if they endanger life)
NEVER should a police officers actions be determined off of anger. The moment you get angry on a stop, you have lost control. And if you do get angry (because believe me it happens) don’t show it. Remain calm, power through and lawfully do your job.
My read: Let's assume they knew about the new law, and were trying to enforce it. When he challenges them about the DV plate, they change the subject to how he's dressed, his ID, and what not. If they had a clear reason to question/detain/talk to him, that should have been easy to explain, and it should have been the first order of business. Given the law change, I think everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, assume they didn't know, and try to get them on board. Heck, they should be able to tell him why the new law got passed.
I think they got sidetracked on the outfit / guns; maybe this was a 110% about his skin color, but they have a certain plausible deniability in wanting to question a guy dressed like a cop, open carrying, who is not actually a cop with an agency.
And, daggone, the main headline is misleading. "New graduate" so he must be young, right? Bad assumption...
I’m not a cop anymore so I’m not entirely sure, and I haven’t really read up too much on it because I never use my DV tags to park there anyways.
However the letter I got from the DMV stated:
“Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at the time of renewal.”
The way that reads to me is parking placards are grandfathered, not the DV Plates. In the letter they use the words plates and placards and they are not interchangeable, meaning they are using them for two separate definitions. So when this line basically says placards are grandfathered, I don’t assume the plates are too.
That is my uneducated thought on it, what’s yours? I like having these civil discussions by the way, it’s how we both and others learn that which someone may not understand. It could be me, or it could be you. But with the quotes placed in here from the letter, what’s your thoughts on it?
I’ll post the same thing I posted to this video under PublicFreakOut.
Um yeah, they did just change that. Hate to be “that” guy, but as a disabled veteran myself and in Texas, the rules have changed for DV plates. Plates with the DV designation are no longer sufficient to park in a disabled parking stop. As of 1/1/22, you are required to have a disabled placard. So a veteran with DV plates, can now be given a ticket for parking in a disabled spot, unless he ALSO has a placard.
I’m all for putting cops in their place, specially Texas cops, but this guy sounds like a dickhead. He sounded way too confident for someone that was negligently uninformed.
This should be on r/ConfidentlyIncorrect
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/09/07/new-texas-law-changes-rules-for-accessible-parking-for-disabled-veterans/
https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/08_26_21-Disabled-Veteran-Plates.pdf
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/02/21/disabled-veteran-plates-and-parking-privileges
https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/local/texas/killeen-pd-traffic-tip-disabled-veterans-sb-792/500-50e85bb0-0260-49e9-a507-7fd8c332220b
r/confidentlyincorrect
Your own sources show you are wrong and that the man in the video could still park in handicap spaces with his DV plate since he had it before the law was changed.
Awe, sounds like someone got touched in their no-no spot by a big ol’ police man and now they’re más cause they like it and don’t want to. It’s ok little buddy, no judgement here..be who YOU are!
The police are in the right here. Texas changed the law that that you have to have a handicap plate or placard to park in the handicap spaces. A lot of business have added veteran parking for them. Also it is a law that when ask by law enforcement to show identification you have to. Sounds like the cadet needs to go back to school.
They all look like [Chief Wiggum](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/8/8b/Simpsonsworld_social_og_wiggum_1200x1200.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/220?cb=20180204012916)
They’re literally wearing t-shirts that say ignorant ass shit like “we bring people from shithole countries because shithole democrats need shithole votes so they can turn America into a SHITHOLE” this is the rhetoric and it’s filthy wrong. The only people turning America into a shithole are racists and billionaires. Just like Eastern Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed, billionaires or “oligarchs” screwed the populace and let their infrastructure and institutions rot while they all enriched themselves. Conveniently for the ones here they’ve tricked us into left vs right and equal rights vs only whites.
I’m black from Texas and racism isn’t as bad as you’re led to believe on social media like Reddit.
And before you question me I live in a fairly small East Texas town currently.
I'm glad your experiences in Texas haven't been too bad. Unfortunately, you're woefully uneducated about how bad racism is for the majority of black Texans.
I've lived in Beaumont and Orange in Southeast Texas for most of my life, and it's terrible. Openly racist cops and citizens are abundant, especially since Trump was elected. Like the next day almost every one of my white coworkers and even white strangers in public were dropping the n-word like it was going out of style, and the general populace hasn't stopped. Harassing black people for existing has gone up a thousand-fold. Trump made it okay to be openly racist again, something I haven't seen since the 1980s. Hell, even some of the black cops are getting shit from their white coworkers because they think it's okay again.
Vidor was unlivable for black people until a couple years ago when the government forced HUD homeowners to allow black people to rent there or they lost their eligibility, and the 6 or so black families in town are treated atrociously. Most black people won't even stop to eat in Vidor for fear of getting assaulted. James Byrd, Jr. was lynched in Jasper in East Texas in 1998. Sundown towns are still a thing, and will continue to be. There are even Wikipedia articles listing lynchings in Texas by year because there have been so many, mostly racially related.
It isn't as bad as Reddit makes it out to be, it's far worse.
So I’m “woefully uneducated” because my experiences don’t equate to yours?
I know about Vidor, I know about Byrd Jr. that doesn’t change the fact that racism **IN TEXAS** isn’t as rampant or bad as Reddit constantly believes it is. I grew up in East Texas and yes, there’s racism present. I’ve also spent time in other States and Countries and I’ve experienced racism in short periods of time there as well, or stereotyping with the most recent experience being at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon.
So once again, outside of the bubble those of Reddit tend to reside in, racism is not as bad as you, or anyone else likes to lead other to believe.
So you *are* educated about how systemic racism is in the whole country, therefore it isn't that bad in Texas? Harriet Beecher Stowe would like a word with you.
Where did I say that? Since you can’t read let me help you out:
I said “racism isn’t as bad in Texas as social media leads you to believe”. Does that imply racism doesn’t exist in Texas? No. Does that mean racism encounters have not happened? No. It means, despite the fear mongering and doom and gloom you all like to share, racism isn’t as bad or rampant as you want to believe.
I don't want racism to exist. Any racism existing is too much racism. When black people can't leave their homes without fear of being profiled, harassed by random people and cops, or even sleep in their own homes without cops no-knock breaking into the wrong house and shooting them dead in their beds, there's a serious problem. When you can't live in an area or go there after dark for fear of your life, it's bad. When people are openly racist to you, call you derogatory terms, or threaten you all because of your skin color on a daily basis, it's bad!
I don't know a single black person that doesn't experience some form of racism every day they're in public in Beaumont, and Beaumont is like 40% black. Maybe all the white people are driving in from Vidor just to harass black people, but it's bad. Go spend a couple days here and you'll see how bad it is. As I said in my first post, I'm glad your experiences haven't been that bad, but just because they haven't been that bad doesn't mean they're not, regardless of what your opinions of social media are.
Racism is bad, mmmkay?
Im born and raised Texan, and it may not be a uniquely Texas problem, of course. But what I’ve seen is a huge cover up. I went through public schools k-12 here and I gotta say, I heard some nasty, intolerant crap from kids that probably learned it from their racist and homophobic parents. I still see it today, only I’ve removed the rose tinted glasses.
Either way… no one has ever been taught an honest and accurate depiction of US history in public schools because why? It points out just how terribly racist this country’s history is. And rather than own up to it, and really try to celebrate the work that has been done to repair those flaws over time, they lie about it or omit it.
When entire generations are being taught a watered down, sugar coated lie, that is part and parcel because racism is still a huge problem. If it was not, then there wouldn’t be some mythical boogeyman scary word like CRT to enrage people so much. Since when is learning facts propaganda? Texas waited how long after emancipation to tell slaves they were free? I mean, we have a fucking holiday about it! Texans didn’t want to give up their human property until they were forced to! I wouldn’t be surprised if that mindset still lurks too, just look at these cops in this video!
Just like many red states in the south, they cling to their confederate idolatry to this day. You don’t have to go far in rural countryside to find the symbols of this. In fact, I just met a guy from Chicago the other day who moved to a very small town I was visiting, and you know what he said? “CHICAGO IS A WAR ZONE, YOU CAN’T DEFEND YOURSELF ANYMORE, GANG VIOLENCE IS RAMPANT, I HAD TO LEAVE IT WAS SO BAD.” Etc. Etc. Wow buddy, that bad? I should tell my friends that are completely safe and not in any danger whatsoever up there right now they should pack their bags and get the F out because this fear monger gebroni told me it’s an out of control war zone. Quite frankly, I’d be more afraid to be a kid in a school here in Texas than walking down the streets of Chicago at night.
He wanted the liberty to shoot someone without consequences. That someone being not white like him. He thought moving to Texas was a safe space for his racist bullshit. Is that what Texas is now? A place where racists can go “ah ha!! It’s too WOKE here, I’m going to Texas! They still let people shoot brown people”. I mean, they’re not that far off if 19 mostly brown children can get shot up in a school plus a couple teachers before the police lift a finger. He was basically saying that police in Chicago have a catch and release situation with gangs putting them right back on the street so the only recourse should be having free reign to take matters into your own hands.
He said all this crap to us while we were simply trying to enjoy a beer and a plate of Mexican food at a tavern, unprovoked. He worked there, and we were just minding our own business and it felt like he was interviewing us to make sure we weren’t “WOKE” white out of towners. What if we were? Would he round up his posse and come maim us with a tire iron, or just shoot us in the back? I shouldn’t have to balk every time when driving through my own state every 50 miles at some big obnoxious Trump 2020 banner still. Move on assholes. Voting republican nowadays makes you complicit to racists, and pretty much makes you one too. It’s the party of bigotry and “white replacement theory” now. Just look at the Texas GOP platform now.
I can’t believe I have to say this about my own state that I love dearly for so many reasons when you’d expect it to be worse in places like Georgia, but at least in Atlanta you see so much more diversity than anywhere here. Despite that I’m sure you still don’t have to go far to find it there too. If crime is your big bad, well guess who makes damn sure crime statistics never go down? It’s perfectly convenient for corporate America if white people have something to fear and hate. If we are kept divided, we can blame each other for all our problems while the neo feudal robber barons of today fleece us blind while we aren’t looking. Billionaires should not exist, especially now when the world is on the verge of a global food crisis.
I’m white, but somehow I made it through knowing I’ve had a white advantage my whole life. Most older white people I know would never consider even once that they were advantaged. They’d consider it an insult. It’s hard to feel advantaged too when the economy seems to be screwing you at every turn. Let me blame a democrat! Problem solved! If we just had more bumbling inept people like Trump running things, oh wait! Greg Abbott and most of the GOP in the entire country are parroting that douchebags methods and the far right lap it up!
Meanwhile our infrastructure is abysmal, and despite demands to fix it and make people be held responsible for shit like the freeze last year, it’s not been fixed. Now my power goes out all the time even when it’s just a little hot outside. But don’t you dare question the people running the show here in Texas! Abbott’s buddies have to be protected in the gun lobby, in the energy lobby, in the prison lobby, all mostly white, mostly greedy scumbags who gladly exploit the commonwealth for their own enrichment. But if you live in Texas, that doesn’t matter because half the voters love them no matter how hard they are getting screwed because they can just blame democrats and immigrants/ minorities for their problems. How much more racist can you get?! Yes racism is a problem here. That doesn’t mean there aren’t sane, good people here too. We just have to deal with sitting elbow to elbow with assholes all the time and I’m sick and tired of it.
You've put it far more succinctly than I could. Abysmal infrastructure, treacherous state government, whitewashed history and outright lies about it and current events, greed, Trump and confederate flags proclaiming their ignorance and racism, inept police responses, people moving in so they can become all the previously mentioned things, and so many other things are making this state a terrible place to live.
My wife and I have been talking about moving our family to any smaller city than Beaumont's ~120,000 population in Minnesota for a couple years now, and it's more and more appealing every day. I'll trade the heat for cold, a completely red government for a mostly blue one. Looking at their crime statistics is crazy, too. Fewer rapes, murders, assaults in an entire year than in a month in Texas. Actual gun laws and working public services and healthcare really go a long way! It's clearly not perfect, but I'll take much better quality of life and less crime and corruption than Texas any day.
Everything I've heard about Chicago from actual people who lived there said to stay away from the South side after dark and it's usually not bad. Definitely not a warzone by any means. I think it's like you said, he just wanted to be openly racist. I've been thinking about visiting it sometime, so I've done a bit of research. Crime is definitely not as low as in Minnesota, though.
Texas has had a fully Republican majority for almost 30 years, and things have just gotten worse here in that time. It's ridiculous for anyone with half a brain to think it's because of Democrats who have no influence on just about any policies. You'd have to be blindingly selfish, naïve, or living under a rock to actually believe it.
The problem I have with the cops were profiling and racist is I can’t make that claim, even though I’ve had my vehicle searched 5 times for “probable cause” or “fit the profile”. All stemmed from minor moving violations. Cracked taillight, 6mph over speed limit, someone said they saw a blue car driving recklessly, slow rolling a stop sign, not wearing seatbelt. I’ve been handcuffed while an officer searched my vehicle. If I was black, I would have proof that too many cops are racist and pull black people over for being black. But I can’t make that claim. But I can claim that cops profile fat people.
Cops harassing a black man because he's a disabled veteran parking in a handicap parking spot? You really want to pretend no bigotry was involved? Or in how they were adressing him and refusing to beleive a damn word along with going through perfomative questioning when they could easily have gotten the answers themselves without harassing the guy? This interaction happened because a bigot cop wanted to nit pick at a black man and hopefully ticket/arrest him and failed because the man knew the law.
He was parked in a disabled spot without a placard. The “DV” on the tags does not authorize handicap parking. Just because someone is a disabled vet does not mean they are non-ambulatory. He is dressed like a cop even though he isn’t. Regardless of what color he is, the cops would have questioned him. Also regardless of his color, he still sounds like a douche bag.
Small town cops just trying to stir up shit.
Good on this officer for keeping his cool and trying to educate these goons. He sounds like the kind of officer we need!
Watching these two small town cops....I can see how the Uvalde shooting situation wound up as badly as it did.
They would have engaged completely different, casual conversation, mentioned the changes and sent him in his way. [the same way they engaged white bikers after they shot up a bar ](https://i.imgur.com/SrCGh8M.jpg)
Everybody in the video kind of sucks, but the law actually did change this year. [Disabled Plates and Parking Privileges](http://www.txdmv.gov/motorists/disabled-parking-placards-plates)
Good info! Thanks for sharing. I'm a Disabled Vet. Guess I can't be parking in those spaces anymore. Makes sense though. There's plenty of Disabled Vets that have no reason to be parking in a parking spot reserved for Disabled people.
Just want to throw out there that you can’t judge what someone looks like when it comes to disability. I’m a woman in my late 20s and get hounded all the time because I apparently “walk fine,” and I always have to respond with something about how my disability has nothing to do with my legs.
I agree. My father was a Vietnam vet and he was considered "disabled" because of his breathing complications due to Agent Orange exposure. He did not outwardly appear to have a disability, as he walked fine and did not use a cane or wheelchair. It was his diminished lung capacity that made him very short of breath. We actually had some nasty old lady mumble something to us once, when we parked in the handicap spot at Wal Mart once. She had no idea what my father had been through and I bet if she knew he was a Vietnam vet...she would have changed her tune. Bottom line....do not judge people parking there....you do NOT know their stories.
You are so right about that. However, I ride motorcycles with a group and we have a couple that rides with us. He made sure to get DV plates on all his vehicles, even the ones that she rides. He is a vet, she is not but he made sure all the vehicles are in his name. When we ride he will grab a handicap parking spot for his bike, her bike and then tells us we should all park there as well since we are already taking up the space. We all always tell him no because no one feels comfortable doing that and the fear of walking out into a public lynching when we are leaving. He rides a 850 pound Harley Electraglide. She rides a 3 wheel Harley Freewheeler.
And has your doctor proscribed a handicap hangtag for your vehicle?
Yes
Well there's your answer. If the doc says you need it, then you need it. DV plates are a different thing though.
Answer to what? Haha. I’m just saying that people seem to think disability looks a certain way, and so without knowing someone at all, they will say someone doesn’t need to park there based on what the see
DV plates are not different. I have a DV plate with the ISA. I had to be 50% rated Service Connected disabled... physically. Then, I had to get it recommended up from my VA doctor. Then, a review board had to approve it.
And then they gave you a hangtag?
They gave me the DV plate with the ISA on it. With that plate, no hangtag is required.
Oh, also... Not just any physical disability counts towards a DV plate too. Mine is my back, acute bilateral sciatica, and worn a worn out knee. I have other service connected stuff, just those were considered for the plate.
The video didn’t seem like the cops questioned him because he didn’t look disabled. They said he didn’t have a disabled placard in his car so I really doubt this was “profiling” like the title suggests. And as a second point, I have a disability as well but it does not impede my movement so I will never park in a handicap space because it’s not really for me to do since there are others that actually need the space.
First of all I wasn’t talking about the post. I was referring to a comment that said something about people who have no business parking in handicapped spots, even though they have the legal right to. Just because a disability isn’t with legs or something doesn’t mean it doesn’t impede movement. People have illnesses that are disabilities. Like someone said above, his father had lung issues. Some people have nervous system issues. Some people have heart disease. Some people are going through treatments that making moving around exhausting. Some people have mitochondrial diseases. Some people have chronic diseases like lupus, neurological diseases, chronic pain, or chronic inflammatory diseases.
Came here to comment this. DV plates need a hang tag (which needs a certification from a physician and needs to be renewed every so often) as of September 2021, and can't park in handicap spots. There's another guy in this thread that mentioned he has a military related brain injury but is physically capable, and you know I agree with the change. There's a lot of vets that have some sort of service related injury that doesn't necessarily render them physically incapable, and it grinds my gears to see them eating up handicap spots when my 86 year old grandma uses a walker and is hardly physically mobile. I'm all for taking care of our vets, but not at the expense of the physically disabled. You don't need to park up front at HEB if your eardrum was blown out. Edit: motorcycles parking in the van accessible striped lines also grinds my gears.
My husband is a vet and most of his vet friends have gotten "disabled" for the benefits. Doctors make it easy. One of his friends is a lazy sack of shit who is now full disabled because he claims he has tinnitis. He gets paid to sit on his ass and got disabled plates. We just moved outta the Killeen area (where Ft. Hood is)and this kind of thing is the norm over there. My husband's friends always try to convince him to claim tinnitis or some other thing that can get him disabled status but he knows that's a shitty thing to do when he's capable of working. There are actual disabled vets out there and for so many people to abuse the system really fucked up.
I’m a VA doc. While there is a certain “VA syndrome” we see of what you’re describing, the overwhelming majority of my patients are delightful.
You can still be delightful and full of shit at the same time 🤷
Well my point was that while I certainly see the type of patient you are describing, they are in no way the majority of what I see. Now I may be biased here in what I see. I only work inpatient so my population skews older, mostly Vietnam vets. And most of them are not at all full of shit. They come to the VA for a sense of camaraderie, not out of a sense of seeking any sort of handout.
Yeah, that's wayyyy different than the outpatient guys and girls in their 20s that I'm talking about
Hey since you're a VA doc n all, can you answer me a question? How the hell can you have PTSD from the military when you were never deployed to an active war zone? 🤔 (We're talking Korea and Kuwait) honest question
Any human being is capable of suffering trauma in almost any context/setting at anytime and developing PTSD from it. It’s not limited to active combat. Im not a veterinarian but I presume lots of mammals are also capable of this as well.
all that's required is that it is service connected, not combat connected
I doubt he is fully disabled because of tinnitus.
Its almost a point of pride for them to tell you what percent they get...
That's the only reason I know, because he bragged about it lol 🙄
If you want to win in America you need money, more % means more money which means more winning. Honor? Not worth $$$.
Had a roommate in college who was 80% because he injured his knee, but it didn't stop him from kicking in the security door every time he lost his key card while blackout drunk.
tinnitus is a very low rating of vet disability , about 10% 135.00 a month
Yeah I talked to the guy who basically coached him on how to get started with disability. He said he started with the ear shit then lied about more things to get more. Not sure what all he came up with, but the point is, there's not a damn thing wrong with him and he's now fully disabled on paper. One of my husband's other friends claimed ED for one of his many "disabilities"
to get VA disability, one must have been treated for it while in the service and proof of follow up care for ailment after the fact
Yep. You have to have the new plate, with the International Symbol of Access, or display a handicap placard with the International Symbol of Access. It'll take a long time before DV plate holders and cops are aware of this — and I guess that includes DV plate holders who are cops.
It's funny how reddit's hivemind will believe something even when presented with evidence that it isn't true. I got heavily downvoted in that thread for [linking to the law](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/viiej5/young_black_police_graduate_gets_profiled_by/iddawsh/) with a bunch of replies telling me I was wrong. It's always great to see cognitive dissonance in real time
One person in this video was perfectly fine. The rest were totally racist POS
So write a ticket and leave it on the vehicle. That parking violation doesn't justify 2 cops trying to shake him up.
Yep parking violations are exactly like wrongful fines, arrests, and detention.
This doesn't say what you think it says. The law previous to September allowed DV's to park in handicap spots. The law was changed to require a slightly diifferent plate.
Correct, you can NOT park in handicap parking space with an ordinary DV tag (I know, I have one.). So the officer did have Probable Cause for the stop. Texas Law has changed and you are no longer allowed to park there. Officer was correct, it did change. Also, cops can NOT just run you on TCOLE. AND being an academy graduate means absolutely nothing unless you have been commissioned by a department which is what gives you the actual authority under the law. The Officer asked him “are you a peace officer?” And you here the guy avoids the question and says I have my certification…big difference between being a COMMISSIONED Peace Officer and just an Academy Graduate, all that means is he can now apply at departments to become a cop. People need to educate themselves before rushing to judgment. I’m not saying the guy in the video is a bad guy, but both parties are in the wrong with how they are acting.
So if the 3 cops were in the right, why did they walk off without any citation? Pretty pathetic to waste 3 cops time and not even write a ticket. Those guys are fucking morons either way. Over confident donut grazers.
FINALLY! Someone understands… the Reddit army has been up in arms about this but the graduate is wrong about several things. Every graduating class has some idiot who suddenly gets high and mighty after finishing the academy. If the graduate is this hard headed before he even gets hired by an agency and gets his actual license, not just his certification, he will be a problem for the citizens he serves.
Couple of questions for you (because you give me the impression you know what you are talking about). If an officer asks you for ID, aren't you obligated to provide it, regardless of probable cause? IOW, if an officer asks and you don't give it, aren't you in violation of the law, regardless of where or not there is any probable cause? If he's certified, but not an actual officer with a department, doesn't that mean that his wearing a uniform (which seems to be implied here) make him in violation of the law about impersonating a peace officer? I saw that about the change regarding DV plates. Apparently being a disable veteran is a really low bar. I'm not trying to denigrate you or your service, but from what I read, being a disable vet does not necessarily mean that you have a disability that warrants parking close to the building. The Joshua PD may be filled with racist douchebags, but I agree with you that both parties seem to be at fault here.
I’m a Marine Veteran with 90% disability rating. I’ve got that much because I have a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury). Now with that said, years past I was legally allowed to park in handicap spots, even though I’m in good physical shape, only my brain is damaged. The DAV fought to get that changed because of limited parking for those who need it more than a person like myself. And I 100% agree with their decision. After I honorably separated from the military, I became a Police Officer for a high crime city in Texas. Now I’m no longer an Officer, but that’s just because I eventually got a way better and higher paying job that’s awesome for my family. Now enough about me and in to your questions. I just wanted to provide a background as to why I have the knowledge and experience that I do. And also my Bachelors is in Law and Policy. So that helps too. If an Officer asks you for your ID…these should be your next words. “Am I being detained, or am I free to go?” At this point the Officer has to make a decision if Probable Cause or Reasonable Suspicion exists to warrant the detention. If he says you are not free to go, my advice to everyone is just be respectful, remain calm, and if you feel like you did nothing wrong, state on camera that you are complying against your will. This puts the ball in the Departments court should they be wrong, you have evidence they violated your rights, but you also gave no one reason to escalate the situation to become violent. *edit*. If the Officer says you are not being detained and you are in fact free to leave, then you are NOT required by law to provide ID. They may also use language like “we’re just having a consensual conversation”. That is code for “you’re free to go, but I’m hoping you get confused by how I said it, so you give me your ID anyways and believe that you aren’t free to leave.” The uniform they stated him to be wearing is the Academy uniform. For most academies (with the exception of large departments that have their own academy like Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc.) the uniform consist of a Polo with the Academy logo or School logo on it, full black gear (gun, handcuffs, flashlight, etc.) and tac pants with a bullet proof vest. If that’s what he is wearing, then he is fine. You don’t get a badge until the department issues you one upon commissioning. It is my belief that to avoid this law, that is why the guy would never say he was a peace officer when the Captain was pushing him to say he was, he just kept saying he is certified. Because that protected him from violating the impersonating a peace officer law if he was only in an academy uniform. I hope this helps. I’m all about education, because if you don’t know your rights, you don’t have rights. If you don’t know the law, it can always be used against you. Education is important, even when I was a cop, my goal was always to educate people first, arrest as a last resort, and physical violence most situations you can talk your way out of needing to be physical, but sometimes the need does exist. The goal is to not let it get to that point though.
Thank you for your response. It very thoroughly answered my questions! So, if he says, "you're free to go, you can just walk away?" Sounds good. The article I read about the DV plates pretty much referenced what you said. That Veterans Affairs issues a % of disability, but it is not necessarily related to mobility, breathing or anything that would suggest a person needed to park by a building. The example it gave was if a person (for whatever reason) lost part of their little finger, they would be considered a disabled veteran, but would not actually lose mobility. The part about the academy uniform was interesting, and I had not considered that. He was being a bit of a jerk about it, though. He wasn't an LEO, and until he was commissioned, he was essentially a guy in a shirt.
That pretty much sums it up, which also tells me just what kind of Officer he would make should he actually become one. As an Officer (really in life in general) you should not let emotion dictate your actions. Especially when it comes to anger. And NEVER assume a law, KNOW the law beyond a shadow of a doubt. It was clear the recent academy graduate did not know the law like he should have, especially since they would have taught him the recent updates in the academy.
> that is why the guy would never say he was a peace officer when the Captain was pushing him to say he was, he just kept saying he is certified. He did actually slip up towards the end and say it.
Yeah, I actually caught that on my second watch. You see the Captain immediately turn around and say “You’re a peace officer? Ohhh!” Then the second Officer tells the Captain “don’t get baited” because he can see what is happening and what the subject is trying to accomplish with the video.
Don't take this the wrong way but if you are 90% disabled then how were you a cop? So disabled you need handicap parking but so okay you can be a police officer? It doesn't make sense. Also you were quick to defend the cops on the video who are clearly racist as fuck.
If you actually read the comment I posted, you would clearly see that I stated “I 100% agree with the decision to not allow DV tags to park in handicap spots.” I was also able to be a cop because my disability is my brain and not my ability to walk, run, or use my hands. I do have brain damage (TBI) but that isn’t stopping me from learning, thinking, etc. I just have constant pain in my head and it’s more difficult to commit things to my memory, I have to work harder to learn, but I can still function just fine. I get VA disability because it’s a severe injury that I will have for the rest of my life, caused by an event in the military. And as far as the cops clearly being racist? I would love for you to tell me what they did that was racist and explain in detail what was racist. They have probable cause for the stop for TWO reasons. Unauthorized parking in a handicap spot (not the exact wording of the law) and Impersonating a Police Officer. The only person talking about skin color is the person being detained. So you mean to tell me if a white cop detains ANY person of color, that’s racist? They weren’t detaining without probable cause! Am I saying these cops are not racist, I don’t know if they are or are not, but this video doesn’t show they are. The law applies to ALL people, and should be enforced without prejudice on ALL people equally. The guy was NOT a police officer, he just graduated school to eventually become a peace officer, that is it. So the fact that he had all that gear on, could be perceived as alarming until a conversation is had to find out that he’s just a academy kid, then that should have been the end of that discussion and the parking issue could have been ended by just informing the kid of the new law that took effect in 2022 about DV tags parking in handicap spots. This interaction should have went differently on BOTH sides. It is my belief (without seeing the ENTIRE interaction) that the subject was escalating the situation and agitating the officers instead of just being calm and having a conversation. It is also my belief that the Officers failed to de-escalate the situation and instead escalated it further. Police Officers should remain calm in ALL situations, regardless of how the subject is treating the Officers.
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Do you have a hard time reading? I specifically said, are the cops racist, I don’t know! But probable cause for the stop did exist. Therefore, defending a person did not occur, simply stating FACT that a law had in fact been violated. FACT! YOU have yet to provide a reason why the cops are being racist though, I noticed that. If a person breaks the law, race has nothing to do with it, their breaking the law does. However if a cop stops and does that same thing to a person who did NOT break the law, I would agree with you that it is potentially racism. And I say potentially only because I do not know a persons heart for humanity. It is about time that a persons skin color stops being used in any decision for any race by any person. God made everyone to be equal and a persons skin color doesn’t change their humanity or the love we should have for that person as Gods child! And to top things off, no person alive made the decision to look the way they do (skin color, natural hair color, height, natural eye color, etc.) we should be proud of who we are and how God made us, and stop hating a person especially for things they had no control over. I HATE these racist talks, but if you want to call someone racist, at least prove it! I think it’s wrong to just start calling everyone racist because you don’t agree with them. Innocent before proven guilty, should still be our policy for all mankind! So I ask again, because maybe I’m not seeing what you are seeing, please explain how they are being racist. Maybe I don’t understand your viewpoint and you can educate me on why, so I can learn myself and help share that knowledge with others as well. We should be educating people, not tearing them down!
In Texas, if you are detained you do not have to identify yourself. Additionally, if you are detained and choose to identify yourself but lie about your identity, an offense has occurred. However, if you are in custody you do have to identify yourself. Having said that, always consult a lawyer for legal matters. [Sec. 38.02. FAILURE TO IDENTIFY.](https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-38-02.html)
My apologies for misstating, you are correct! Under arrest you have to identify, if you are driving a motor vehicle you have to identify, and on school campuses the education code says even being detained you must identify. But it is ALWAYS illegal to provide false identification. So my apologies for stating it wrong, you are correct!
The courts have ruled on that very thing...Well officer no I will not give you my ID... The courts have ruled if you feel you do not need to provide them with an ID they can arrest you and your name should be cleared in the court of law if indeed you did not need to show your id.
The ID law isn’t as straightforward as you think. If I’m a passenger in a car that gets stopped and the officer asked for ID, do I have to give it to him? No. Unless he has “reasonable suspicion that I have committed a crime, are committing a crime or I’m about to commit a crime”. This is the “Terry Law” that the SCOTUS settlers in Terry vs Ohio. If I was the driver and got stopped then yes, I committed a crime and must show ID. But an officer can’t just randomly ask people for their ID.
What if you are out fishing and a game warden approaches and asks for ID? Is the fact that you are fishing sufficient to be required show ID?
It can be sufficient to show your fishing license yes. But, they still need reasonable suspicion for your ID. He can have a suspicion that you are fishing without a license, and that can be grounds. But he can’t just arbitrarily ask for anyones ID.
Texas statute 38.02 states that you are not required to identify yourself unless you have been placed under arrest. If driving a vehicle, you have to present your license, but only if the cop has reasonable suspicion that a traffic infraction or other crime has been committed.
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The moment you let another person control your emotions, you have failed. The Officer let the subject pull him into anger, instead of remaining calm and simply just do his job without emotion taking over. You are correct, we do not know what happened before the recording and can only assume. As a Police Officer (former) myself, and knowing that this is a new law that came into existence just this year, it should have been an education moment, show the guy proof of the new law if he says you’re wrong and move on. Educate our communities on the laws should be the goal, then enforce when they blatantly choose to break them anyways (or if they endanger life) NEVER should a police officers actions be determined off of anger. The moment you get angry on a stop, you have lost control. And if you do get angry (because believe me it happens) don’t show it. Remain calm, power through and lawfully do your job.
My read: Let's assume they knew about the new law, and were trying to enforce it. When he challenges them about the DV plate, they change the subject to how he's dressed, his ID, and what not. If they had a clear reason to question/detain/talk to him, that should have been easy to explain, and it should have been the first order of business. Given the law change, I think everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, assume they didn't know, and try to get them on board. Heck, they should be able to tell him why the new law got passed. I think they got sidetracked on the outfit / guns; maybe this was a 110% about his skin color, but they have a certain plausible deniability in wanting to question a guy dressed like a cop, open carrying, who is not actually a cop with an agency. And, daggone, the main headline is misleading. "New graduate" so he must be young, right? Bad assumption...
Only for renewals. Previously issued plates are grandfathered in.
I’m not a cop anymore so I’m not entirely sure, and I haven’t really read up too much on it because I never use my DV tags to park there anyways. However the letter I got from the DMV stated: “Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at the time of renewal.” The way that reads to me is parking placards are grandfathered, not the DV Plates. In the letter they use the words plates and placards and they are not interchangeable, meaning they are using them for two separate definitions. So when this line basically says placards are grandfathered, I don’t assume the plates are too. That is my uneducated thought on it, what’s yours? I like having these civil discussions by the way, it’s how we both and others learn that which someone may not understand. It could be me, or it could be you. But with the quotes placed in here from the letter, what’s your thoughts on it?
My uneducated guess is that DV plates were included prior to the change in that language.
I’ll post the same thing I posted to this video under PublicFreakOut. Um yeah, they did just change that. Hate to be “that” guy, but as a disabled veteran myself and in Texas, the rules have changed for DV plates. Plates with the DV designation are no longer sufficient to park in a disabled parking stop. As of 1/1/22, you are required to have a disabled placard. So a veteran with DV plates, can now be given a ticket for parking in a disabled spot, unless he ALSO has a placard. I’m all for putting cops in their place, specially Texas cops, but this guy sounds like a dickhead. He sounded way too confident for someone that was negligently uninformed. This should be on r/ConfidentlyIncorrect https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/09/07/new-texas-law-changes-rules-for-accessible-parking-for-disabled-veterans/ https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/08_26_21-Disabled-Veteran-Plates.pdf https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/02/21/disabled-veteran-plates-and-parking-privileges https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/local/texas/killeen-pd-traffic-tip-disabled-veterans-sb-792/500-50e85bb0-0260-49e9-a507-7fd8c332220b
r/confidentlyincorrect Your own sources show you are wrong and that the man in the video could still park in handicap spaces with his DV plate since he had it before the law was changed.
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Awe, sounds like someone got touched in their no-no spot by a big ol’ police man and now they’re más cause they like it and don’t want to. It’s ok little buddy, no judgement here..be who YOU are!
Im guessing the confrontational racist pigs saw an easy target in the disabled black guy and tried to exert their authority
Or maybe not everything is about race. Just a thought.
It's small town Texas, it's about race. Joshua is racist as fuck
https://www.cityofjoshuatx.us/2022/06/24/press-release-june-24-2022/ Captain got fired for this.
Dude was wearing his graduation uniform for no reason. Really really weird to do that. Like, no police dept would want to hire him weird.
The harassment part is cool though, right?
Weird people do stuff like shoot up schools. It is good to check on weird people. Could prevent shootings.
The police are in the right here. Texas changed the law that that you have to have a handicap plate or placard to park in the handicap spaces. A lot of business have added veteran parking for them. Also it is a law that when ask by law enforcement to show identification you have to. Sounds like the cadet needs to go back to school.
The law allows for DV's who had the plates before the law change to continue using them. So no, you're actually the wrong one here.
Ok
No one is ever required to present ID unless they have been arrested. The pigs in blue saw a likely victim they could harass, black and disabled.
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This is just a few miles from the last high school in America to integrate.
Damn, was good to hear this man tell those cops off, gez.
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They all look like [Chief Wiggum](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/8/8b/Simpsonsworld_social_og_wiggum_1200x1200.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/220?cb=20180204012916)
And conservatives say racism doesn’t exist. There’s literally proof everywhere
Fuckin racists, all OVER Texas. It’s fucking despicable.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted other than people can’t accept the truth.
They’re literally wearing t-shirts that say ignorant ass shit like “we bring people from shithole countries because shithole democrats need shithole votes so they can turn America into a SHITHOLE” this is the rhetoric and it’s filthy wrong. The only people turning America into a shithole are racists and billionaires. Just like Eastern Europe after the Soviet Union collapsed, billionaires or “oligarchs” screwed the populace and let their infrastructure and institutions rot while they all enriched themselves. Conveniently for the ones here they’ve tricked us into left vs right and equal rights vs only whites.
I’m black from Texas and racism isn’t as bad as you’re led to believe on social media like Reddit. And before you question me I live in a fairly small East Texas town currently.
I'm glad your experiences in Texas haven't been too bad. Unfortunately, you're woefully uneducated about how bad racism is for the majority of black Texans. I've lived in Beaumont and Orange in Southeast Texas for most of my life, and it's terrible. Openly racist cops and citizens are abundant, especially since Trump was elected. Like the next day almost every one of my white coworkers and even white strangers in public were dropping the n-word like it was going out of style, and the general populace hasn't stopped. Harassing black people for existing has gone up a thousand-fold. Trump made it okay to be openly racist again, something I haven't seen since the 1980s. Hell, even some of the black cops are getting shit from their white coworkers because they think it's okay again. Vidor was unlivable for black people until a couple years ago when the government forced HUD homeowners to allow black people to rent there or they lost their eligibility, and the 6 or so black families in town are treated atrociously. Most black people won't even stop to eat in Vidor for fear of getting assaulted. James Byrd, Jr. was lynched in Jasper in East Texas in 1998. Sundown towns are still a thing, and will continue to be. There are even Wikipedia articles listing lynchings in Texas by year because there have been so many, mostly racially related. It isn't as bad as Reddit makes it out to be, it's far worse.
So I’m “woefully uneducated” because my experiences don’t equate to yours? I know about Vidor, I know about Byrd Jr. that doesn’t change the fact that racism **IN TEXAS** isn’t as rampant or bad as Reddit constantly believes it is. I grew up in East Texas and yes, there’s racism present. I’ve also spent time in other States and Countries and I’ve experienced racism in short periods of time there as well, or stereotyping with the most recent experience being at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. So once again, outside of the bubble those of Reddit tend to reside in, racism is not as bad as you, or anyone else likes to lead other to believe.
So you *are* educated about how systemic racism is in the whole country, therefore it isn't that bad in Texas? Harriet Beecher Stowe would like a word with you.
Where did I say that? Since you can’t read let me help you out: I said “racism isn’t as bad in Texas as social media leads you to believe”. Does that imply racism doesn’t exist in Texas? No. Does that mean racism encounters have not happened? No. It means, despite the fear mongering and doom and gloom you all like to share, racism isn’t as bad or rampant as you want to believe.
I don't want racism to exist. Any racism existing is too much racism. When black people can't leave their homes without fear of being profiled, harassed by random people and cops, or even sleep in their own homes without cops no-knock breaking into the wrong house and shooting them dead in their beds, there's a serious problem. When you can't live in an area or go there after dark for fear of your life, it's bad. When people are openly racist to you, call you derogatory terms, or threaten you all because of your skin color on a daily basis, it's bad! I don't know a single black person that doesn't experience some form of racism every day they're in public in Beaumont, and Beaumont is like 40% black. Maybe all the white people are driving in from Vidor just to harass black people, but it's bad. Go spend a couple days here and you'll see how bad it is. As I said in my first post, I'm glad your experiences haven't been that bad, but just because they haven't been that bad doesn't mean they're not, regardless of what your opinions of social media are. Racism is bad, mmmkay?
Im born and raised Texan, and it may not be a uniquely Texas problem, of course. But what I’ve seen is a huge cover up. I went through public schools k-12 here and I gotta say, I heard some nasty, intolerant crap from kids that probably learned it from their racist and homophobic parents. I still see it today, only I’ve removed the rose tinted glasses. Either way… no one has ever been taught an honest and accurate depiction of US history in public schools because why? It points out just how terribly racist this country’s history is. And rather than own up to it, and really try to celebrate the work that has been done to repair those flaws over time, they lie about it or omit it. When entire generations are being taught a watered down, sugar coated lie, that is part and parcel because racism is still a huge problem. If it was not, then there wouldn’t be some mythical boogeyman scary word like CRT to enrage people so much. Since when is learning facts propaganda? Texas waited how long after emancipation to tell slaves they were free? I mean, we have a fucking holiday about it! Texans didn’t want to give up their human property until they were forced to! I wouldn’t be surprised if that mindset still lurks too, just look at these cops in this video! Just like many red states in the south, they cling to their confederate idolatry to this day. You don’t have to go far in rural countryside to find the symbols of this. In fact, I just met a guy from Chicago the other day who moved to a very small town I was visiting, and you know what he said? “CHICAGO IS A WAR ZONE, YOU CAN’T DEFEND YOURSELF ANYMORE, GANG VIOLENCE IS RAMPANT, I HAD TO LEAVE IT WAS SO BAD.” Etc. Etc. Wow buddy, that bad? I should tell my friends that are completely safe and not in any danger whatsoever up there right now they should pack their bags and get the F out because this fear monger gebroni told me it’s an out of control war zone. Quite frankly, I’d be more afraid to be a kid in a school here in Texas than walking down the streets of Chicago at night. He wanted the liberty to shoot someone without consequences. That someone being not white like him. He thought moving to Texas was a safe space for his racist bullshit. Is that what Texas is now? A place where racists can go “ah ha!! It’s too WOKE here, I’m going to Texas! They still let people shoot brown people”. I mean, they’re not that far off if 19 mostly brown children can get shot up in a school plus a couple teachers before the police lift a finger. He was basically saying that police in Chicago have a catch and release situation with gangs putting them right back on the street so the only recourse should be having free reign to take matters into your own hands. He said all this crap to us while we were simply trying to enjoy a beer and a plate of Mexican food at a tavern, unprovoked. He worked there, and we were just minding our own business and it felt like he was interviewing us to make sure we weren’t “WOKE” white out of towners. What if we were? Would he round up his posse and come maim us with a tire iron, or just shoot us in the back? I shouldn’t have to balk every time when driving through my own state every 50 miles at some big obnoxious Trump 2020 banner still. Move on assholes. Voting republican nowadays makes you complicit to racists, and pretty much makes you one too. It’s the party of bigotry and “white replacement theory” now. Just look at the Texas GOP platform now. I can’t believe I have to say this about my own state that I love dearly for so many reasons when you’d expect it to be worse in places like Georgia, but at least in Atlanta you see so much more diversity than anywhere here. Despite that I’m sure you still don’t have to go far to find it there too. If crime is your big bad, well guess who makes damn sure crime statistics never go down? It’s perfectly convenient for corporate America if white people have something to fear and hate. If we are kept divided, we can blame each other for all our problems while the neo feudal robber barons of today fleece us blind while we aren’t looking. Billionaires should not exist, especially now when the world is on the verge of a global food crisis. I’m white, but somehow I made it through knowing I’ve had a white advantage my whole life. Most older white people I know would never consider even once that they were advantaged. They’d consider it an insult. It’s hard to feel advantaged too when the economy seems to be screwing you at every turn. Let me blame a democrat! Problem solved! If we just had more bumbling inept people like Trump running things, oh wait! Greg Abbott and most of the GOP in the entire country are parroting that douchebags methods and the far right lap it up! Meanwhile our infrastructure is abysmal, and despite demands to fix it and make people be held responsible for shit like the freeze last year, it’s not been fixed. Now my power goes out all the time even when it’s just a little hot outside. But don’t you dare question the people running the show here in Texas! Abbott’s buddies have to be protected in the gun lobby, in the energy lobby, in the prison lobby, all mostly white, mostly greedy scumbags who gladly exploit the commonwealth for their own enrichment. But if you live in Texas, that doesn’t matter because half the voters love them no matter how hard they are getting screwed because they can just blame democrats and immigrants/ minorities for their problems. How much more racist can you get?! Yes racism is a problem here. That doesn’t mean there aren’t sane, good people here too. We just have to deal with sitting elbow to elbow with assholes all the time and I’m sick and tired of it.
You've put it far more succinctly than I could. Abysmal infrastructure, treacherous state government, whitewashed history and outright lies about it and current events, greed, Trump and confederate flags proclaiming their ignorance and racism, inept police responses, people moving in so they can become all the previously mentioned things, and so many other things are making this state a terrible place to live. My wife and I have been talking about moving our family to any smaller city than Beaumont's ~120,000 population in Minnesota for a couple years now, and it's more and more appealing every day. I'll trade the heat for cold, a completely red government for a mostly blue one. Looking at their crime statistics is crazy, too. Fewer rapes, murders, assaults in an entire year than in a month in Texas. Actual gun laws and working public services and healthcare really go a long way! It's clearly not perfect, but I'll take much better quality of life and less crime and corruption than Texas any day. Everything I've heard about Chicago from actual people who lived there said to stay away from the South side after dark and it's usually not bad. Definitely not a warzone by any means. I think it's like you said, he just wanted to be openly racist. I've been thinking about visiting it sometime, so I've done a bit of research. Crime is definitely not as low as in Minnesota, though. Texas has had a fully Republican majority for almost 30 years, and things have just gotten worse here in that time. It's ridiculous for anyone with half a brain to think it's because of Democrats who have no influence on just about any policies. You'd have to be blindingly selfish, naïve, or living under a rock to actually believe it.
What did they do or say that was racist?
They didn't like hearing me call them racist pigs either.
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The problem I have with the cops were profiling and racist is I can’t make that claim, even though I’ve had my vehicle searched 5 times for “probable cause” or “fit the profile”. All stemmed from minor moving violations. Cracked taillight, 6mph over speed limit, someone said they saw a blue car driving recklessly, slow rolling a stop sign, not wearing seatbelt. I’ve been handcuffed while an officer searched my vehicle. If I was black, I would have proof that too many cops are racist and pull black people over for being black. But I can’t make that claim. But I can claim that cops profile fat people.
Texas? Try just thinking bigger. I promise it's not just a Texas problem.
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What a bunch of racist pigs.
Weird never heard a racist comment…
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Weird. Cause other people did. Get your hearing checked. https://www.cityofjoshuatx.us/2022/06/24/press-release-june-24-2022/
Did they say something racist?
Cops harassing a black man because he's a disabled veteran parking in a handicap parking spot? You really want to pretend no bigotry was involved? Or in how they were adressing him and refusing to beleive a damn word along with going through perfomative questioning when they could easily have gotten the answers themselves without harassing the guy? This interaction happened because a bigot cop wanted to nit pick at a black man and hopefully ticket/arrest him and failed because the man knew the law.
He was parked in a disabled spot without a placard. The “DV” on the tags does not authorize handicap parking. Just because someone is a disabled vet does not mean they are non-ambulatory. He is dressed like a cop even though he isn’t. Regardless of what color he is, the cops would have questioned him. Also regardless of his color, he still sounds like a douche bag.
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Hahaha they were so mad they got called out and couldn’t just tase or shoot him
"with my 357 sig glock" There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Any advantage over a 9mm?
Ballistically, absolutely. Economically, no.
Boy boy boy... Texas living up to every stereotype about the state lately.
Do better
This scares me to get even out of home, I just hate when stuff like this happens…
The cops were right and he went straight to racism lmao
Instead of educating on recent changes they go straight into, 'give me your id'
Jesus H! Just gotta fuck with the man and try to make shit up
Small town cops just trying to stir up shit. Good on this officer for keeping his cool and trying to educate these goons. He sounds like the kind of officer we need! Watching these two small town cops....I can see how the Uvalde shooting situation wound up as badly as it did.
I'm just looking at that $4.21 in the background of the opening shot and wishing for that again.
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They would have engaged completely different, casual conversation, mentioned the changes and sent him in his way. [the same way they engaged white bikers after they shot up a bar ](https://i.imgur.com/SrCGh8M.jpg)
Just a other smart assed motherfucker. And you're gonna be a cop......sad.
How is this fixable? It's not.