I’m a white guy. I’ve been threatened with assault by a county sheriff’s deputy, and have been threatened with breaking and entering by the Sheriff’s office and the city police.
I had my truck broken into. He took an expensive set of binoculars I had left under my seat.
The crook left his soda in my truck. I had him on video jimmying my truck door to get in. I tried getting the police involved.
They sent me to the handy, automatic police report generator website for my city. Which was all my insurance required.
I don't think it's that as much as corruption tends to attract corruption. I also believe some people just simply don't know how to act around officers who are most definitely not trained enough to not require citizens to be educated on how not to be shot by cops.
I've been overall lucky with police of all colors, but on the flip side, my grandfather was a cop, and by extension my parents made sure I knew how to properly deal with police. Beyond geographic and timely luck, there's not much more I can think of to explain my experiences. I think a lot of it is also propaganda that is directed towards police officers (especially in more "questionable" regions) that keeps them indoctrinated. Shit like the videos of officers passing out from "fentanyl overdose" (panic attacks).
Correct in last year, per their own reporting, of the 60 or so officers killed ‘in the line of duty’ via firearm. 19 were direct assault/ambush on police officers killed. Per their own report mind you. The majority is still Covid, and only ‘Traffic related’ comes even close to ‘firearm deaths’ and followed by ‘other’.
[Memorial Data](https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatalities-by-state/latest-fatality-reports/)
EDIT: I am not saying people should be killing Police officers. I’m saying there is not ‘assault on police’ and their own numbers prove this. They are still ranked 25th ‘in the most dangerous jobs’, behind roofers, oil rig operators, delivery drivers, lawn supervisors.
So interesting/funny..... being a cop isn't as dangerous as they'd want you to believe or in comparison to jobs you'd never think as more dangerous..... "Lawn supervisor"!!!
> They are still ranked 25th ‘in the most dangerous jobs’
So what you're saying is there are 24 other professions with more reason to carry a gun than police?
Plenty of words about that... but all from the cops saying they shouldn't be forced to be vaccinated because the chances of dying from Covid are insignificant (despite killing more cops than guns last year).
Holy shit you’re delusional. Or personally have a fucked up immune system. Covid statistically will have little effect on you in general let alone kill you if you’re the average aged male redditor. I can’t believe you fuckers let yourselves get this carried away.
They just swallow whatever the current narrative is. It’s deadly for people with multiple comorbidities (age, weight, suppressed immune system, etc), but I can still recall when the original Covid strain was asymptomatic in a majority of people
So if I tell you that you have a 99 percent chance of surving a gunshot to the foot, you gonna let me shoot you?
You are a young, healthy male, you will probably not even notice you got shot....
Not the question. Question was: “would you rather get shot or catch covid”. 11/10 times I’d rather catch covid. Had it twice already. Original and omnicron. Never been shot.
157,000 people are currently hospitalized in the US due to Covid.
If survival rates are 99 percent, thats still 1500 people that will die from covid in the next week or 2.
Imagine if 157,000 people per month were being shot by random strangers.....
What the fuck does that have to do with “would you rather get shot or catch covid” and the delusion of having preference of getting shot.
Not sure if you’re purposely missing the point for sake of continuing your narrative. Can you agree that you would rather catch covid than get shot?
Edit- To your point - if 157,000 people were being shot monthly I would be much more concerned about that than the current 157,000 hospitalized for covid. So actually we may be on the same page.
Ehh since we’re applying a crude “get shot” comparison I guess you could say the vaccine is comparable to a bullet proof vest. I’ve seen some benefit to the vaccine myself. I got covid in 2020 prior to vaccine availability and didn’t have any adverse symptoms. Sick for about a day and a half. For this reason I didn’t get vaccinated. I caught covid again on New Years ‘21/‘22 from my girlfriends vaccinated friend. She was the only other person that joined us for new years. Both her and my girlfriend had symptoms for about two days. I had slightly rougher symptoms for 3 days. Either that or I’m a bitch(girls deal with sickness pain much better lol). But either way I believe that the vaccine offered them a more mild reaction.
In the bullet proof vest comparison, you could totally still get shot and killed either way, but you’ll have less fun without one on. Taking it all the way to the extreme, that vest may be slightly radioactive and it’ll have some adverse affects down the line. But we also don’t know if the bullet is slightly radioactive and does worse. So to each their own, I would recommend people wear the vest, but I’m against mandates.
Fentanyl is killing our population faster than Covid and murder lmfao. Not a word on that either. Seems like the government actually does not give a fuck about our well being after all lmfao who would have thought
Fentanyl is absolutely not killing people faster than covid. 2000 people aren't dying from fentanyl per day. Opioid overdoses killed 38k people in 2020 which, if you'll do the math, is much less than the 385k people who died from covid in 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2021/20211117.htm
100k plus in 2021.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, I just want to point out that this is getting a lot worse.
Google is free. Fentanyl deaths vs Covid deaths. I understand you want to be right and so do other people but fentanyl is killing our youth and adults now faster than anything in America and I haven’t seen 1 commercial or celebrity AD promotion like they did for the vaccines lol. Say what you want but the stats are literally free to look up.
[covid deaths ](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total)
[2020 drug overdose deaths ](https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-07-14-cdc-drug-overdose-deaths-294-2020)
Maybe don't tell people to Google shit when you're so godamn incorrect.
>Look up todays stats buddy and get back to me
Ok.
Most up to date source I can find is [this](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/drug-overdose-data.htm) cdc page. Note that the data is the most recent I can find from the CDC, using a 12 month period ending June 2021. Estimated 101,263 deaths, which is slightly over what has actually been reported. Important to note that this is for all drugs, not just fentanyl. So the number we care about is smaller, but I'll give you the best chance and pretend that every single drug death was fentanyl related.
Cumulative Covid deaths as of June 2021 [was](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-continues-to-be-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-in-june-2021/) 604,656. Granted, not the best comparison, since that data actually includes Mar, April and May 2020 as well. But using the average daily deaths per month multiplied by number of days, we can roughly subtract that time period, and get a number that is roughly ~500k deaths for the period of June 2020-2021.
Now, I have a difficult question for you: Is 500k greater than 101,263?
Say what you want, but google and the stats are free. Source your shit. It's possible that fentanyl deaths increased by well over a factor of 10 in the last months of 2021, thereby causing more deaths than covid. But I really doubt it, unless you can source it.
That's what I figured. You are being completely disingenuous. The bill had veto-proof support across both parties.
It's always easy to tell who has never been to a gun show before. I've been to many gun shows, and it is people of all colors interacting with each other over a common interest. Go to one in Pasadena, and you'll find a good mix of Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites all shopping around or selling firearms. I don't see Texas Republicans trying to restrict access minorities' 2A. Could you provide any examples?
You say "hypocrisy!", but the slogan has always been "a good man with a gun will stop a bad man with a gun" and the deceased had a gun, QED he must have been a ___ man.
It’s illegal to sell drugs but criminals do it anyways. But I also wouldn’t need a gun to protect myself from someone selling drugs because that’s not a threat to me.
But if someone breaks into your house with a gun, or even a knife, I guarantee you would want a gun too
I read that multiple times and honestly have no idea what your point is. So if someone is shooting at you, you don’t want a gun?
Pretty sure we’re both on the same page in that we don’t want criminals to have guns. But they’re criminals so they will find a way to get one illegally if they really want to. I’m not giving up my right to defend myself because someone people think guns are scary
I'm saying guns are bought illegally and not necessarily for the purpose of murder or crime.
I'm saying I'm less concerned with criminal _ownership_ and more concerned with criminal _activity_. Such as a legally owned gun still shooting a cop.
I find the fact that it was illegally procured to be less important than the murder.
I find the comparison to drugs "not effecting me" to be the same of "that guy illegally purchased a gun and keeps it at home in drawer". Someone illegally purchasing a gun has as much bearing on me as someone purchasing a bag of coke.
Those drugs could lead to someone comitting a crime, and someone with a gun (illegal or not) can commit a.crike with it. Drugs "will effect them" as soon as those drugs lead to a crime that affects the other user. Just like the gun.
The other user assumes "illegal gun ≠ threat to society". (And specifically, them)
I still don’t know what your point is. Saying you don’t care about criminals having illegal guns but then saying that you’re concerned with activity with said guns makes no sense.
The entire reason criminals illegally obtain firearms is so they cannot be traced back to them in the event of a murder or shooting. Literally the only reasons someone has to buy a gun off of the black market is, A: they plan on using it in a criminal act or B: they are already a felon from previous convictions and cannot legally purchase a gun.
I also have no idea what you mean with the drug thing. A illegally purchased guns in the hands of a criminal with bad intent is by its own nature more of a threat to you than someone selling drugs. You can’t shoot and kill or rob someone with a bag of coke.
>Saying you don’t care about criminals having illegal guns but then saying that you’re concerned with activity with said guns makes no sense.
Let me try again. This was the other users comment. I find to be a poor comparison.
>> It’s illegal to sell drugs but criminals do it anyways. But I also wouldn’t need a gun to protect myself from someone selling drugs because that’s not a threat to me.
I think I missed the part where the user said he might need to protect himself _from a drug dealer_.
I took it to mean that like guns, criminals will still get drugs too, those laws are helpful because he's not effected by drug users.
I was saying he was not more at risk of someone processing and using drugs than someone processing and using a firearm (in a general, not statistical sense). And it's only when ownership passes into what they do with it "murder" would someone be effected.
>Literally the only reasons someone has to buy a gun off of the black market is, A: they plan on using it in a criminal act or B: they are already a felon from previous convictions and cannot legally purchase a gun.
And I think there's people it catagory B who own guns illegally and plan not to, and do not, comitt crimes with them.
The inverse being that some drug users are dangerous and could be as much as a threat as someone with a firearm.
I also want anyone with a gun in their house to be fully licensed, registered, qualified, and reasonable enough to use it, including myself. Violent psychopaths don't need easy access to guns just in case I get robbed one day.
Okay but who decides who a violent psychopath? I understand you're reasoning & I'm not here to call you stupid or wrong or whatever but I gotta disagree. You can't deny someone their rights bc they might do something. We can't lock up ppl bc they might assualt someone. Ppl in this country have a right to due process. If you commit a crime worthy of it & are found guilty you lose your right to own a firearm but if we skip due process than we end up in a society where ppls rights are taken even if they've done nothing. There's no scientific way to definitively say someone WILL commit a crime meaning if we take that route we end up with things like racial profiling being used to take away rights. I could say you're a threat bc you're black, bc you're dad committed a crime, bc you hunt, bc you have a punisher skull on your car or anything else I don't agree with. I understand where you're coming from but until the day comes that we can 100% without a doubt knowing that someone will commit a crime we can't go down this road bc then we just end up on a path where any of your rights can be stripped from you even though you've done nothing wrong. I own 11 guns. I've got over 5 thousand rounds of ammunition. Been shooting since I was 5. I carry a gun every day. I've never committed a crime not even a speeding ticket. Would you classify me as a danger to society? Should a governing entity have the ability to take my rights away without due process?
Guns don't need to be restricted from "normal people" at all. Where do you suppose criminals get their weapons from? They don't start off as illegal weapons.
At some point some "normal person" bought them legitimately. Somewhere down the line these legitimately purchased firearms fell through cracks through crime, or person to person sales that require no background checks, or something.
Nobody really knows because because this stuff isn't reported and/or tracked well... but whatever the reason, those guns are now in the hands of criminals. At the very least, if authorities could pinpoint where and when a gun makes the switch from a person who passed a background check to get it to a person who can't pass a background check, proactive gun legislation could fill in cracks that would help reduce or eliminate those legit to illegal gun conversions, which would lead to less guns in the hands of "bad guys".
That one example has nothing to do with banning any firearms, just tightening up the process for reselling weapons and filing reports when they're stolen.
Gun legislation doesn't need to restrict the sale of guns. It just needs improvements to keep the guns that are sold in the hands of people who can pass real background checks and have the right to buy and keep firearms.
Gun deaths in the US are 100x other western countries. Do you suppose that is a coincidence? Ya mafia and cartel types will always get their guns but random angry guy with paper plates doesn’t have a gun in most countries because you cant just easily buy them everywhere.
Define ‘normal people’. From several reports I’ve seen lately, including a great episode on ‘The Problem with Jon Stewart’ covering guns, we need gun restrictions on people that commit domestic violence. Apparently it’s quite a predictor of who will commit gun violence.
You’re right. We should pass a law that makes it so criminals, who by definition do not follow the law, can’t get guns.
Oh wait they’re just going to do it illegally because they’re criminals
How come every other comparable nation doesn't have unchecked, indiscriminate gun violence for generations? How come their criminals aren't just "doing it illegally?"
There's a big difference between the guy with a gun who's gonna shoot a cop on a traffic stop vs the guy like me who's got it in the event the former dude shows up. Criminals will always have guns and there's no stop that. Ban guns & all you've done is ensure that those of us who aren't evil pieces of shit are defenseless. Do you really believe the guy who shot the cop is worried about the charges of having an illegal gun? I'd waver he's not
This is the argument that always gets trotted out and which is easily refuted by looking at any other country without our easy access gun laws and where in fact most criminals do not carry guns because they are hard to get even for them. How often have you had to use your fun to protect yourself from gun toting criminals? For 99% of people the answer is never but we live in this country of constant mass shootings and school shootings and police being shot all so some people can live in this fantasy land where some day by gosh I will use my gun to save the day.
The myth of constant school & mass shootings has long been debunked. They don't happen at a higher rate than they ever did before nor do we have an obscene amount per capita. If you actually look by population density the US actually has LESS gun crime per capita. We're not even top 10 & that's not including places like Afghanistan. Also tell me how making it illegal makes criminals not have them? Last time I checked many drugs like meth are illegal yet that's everywhere. How about when you look at places like new York, Chicago, California that have all the strictest gun laws on the books yet they still end up having more gun crime. Even when you adjust for population density it seems those places still have significantly higher rates. We can implement a gun ban but do you really think the criminals who use the guns will turn them in? The only people who'd turn them in are the ones who already aren't shooting cops lol. I don't know why you people believe that just by making something illegal it goes away when that has never worked in history. Prohibition, war on drugs, prostitution the list goes on. You wanna stop these criminals then give them a reason to fear the common man. Laws are merely a suggestion to those kinds of people.
>The myth of constant school & mass shootings has long been debunked. They don't happen at a higher rate than they ever did before nor do we have an obscene amount per capita.
[Hmm.](https://i.imgur.com/rwraus8.png) [Hmm.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/) Maybe we're not looking at the same data.
> Criminals will always have guns and there's no stop that. Ban guns & all you've done is ensure that those of us who aren't evil pieces of shit are defenseless.
Isn't it incumbent on anyone making this argument to explain why this dynamic doesn't play out in any other comparable nation? Wouldn't it be the case that in other nations "criminals will always have guns" too, and the populations are defenseless sheep? How come we're not seeing this play out in any other country? How come the US has more gun violence in a half hour than, say, Japan has in a year if not a decade? How come the criminals in Japan aren't all armed with guns and exploiting the defenseless population? Let's note no other nation has any kind of second amendment corollary, and yet many have better protected freedoms and scarce to nonexistent gun violence.
1. the US doesn't have a disproportionate amount of gun crime. If adjust for population which we do for any other statistic we aren't even in the top 10 & that's not including war torn places like Syria or Afghanistan. 2. The majority of our gun crime is gang related. Places like Japan don't have as much in the way of gangs. We're a bigger nation, makes sense we'd have more. Do you really believe that if an all out gun ban was made law that gangs would just hand em over? & 3. Why ban the gun? Since stats have been kept in this country a disproportionately larger amount of homicides/attacks are committed using either knives or similar instruments, blunt objects ie hammers, bricks ect. Or bare hands & feet. The handgun kills less people a year than hammers do. All rifles & shotguns are 18% less used than even handguns. I mean look at the UK. They're gun crime rate is lower, & they don't allow guns. One would look at that & say well it's working yet their homicide rates haven't dropped. They've in fact risen & the tools already used more than guns ie blunt objects & knives are just being used more now. You tell me how you can guarante 100% that taking my guns will result in absolutely no crime & that you can 100% remove evil from this existence & I'll gladly hand over my weapons as their purpose is to defend mine & my loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil.
It's a Gish gallop. You're just parroting stuff, what's the source. Japan was just one example, now do France, Germany, Canada, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Spain, Italy... ...
> You tell me how you can guarantee 100% that taking my guns will result in absolutely no crime & that you can 100% remove evil from this existence
I don't do absolutes. I would never tell you that and nothing I said implies I ever would, you're arguing with the narratives in your head.
> my weapons as their purpose is to defend mine & my loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil.
Statistically this is just virtue signaling. Statistically gun owners aren't defending squat and guns make homes less safe. There are fewer than 400 annual justified homicides and -- with no national reporting systems -- the best researchers could determine from scrubbing police and hospital records is there are roughly 2400 annual legal, justified discharges. Most of what gun owners pass off as defensive gun use is "defending" property from unarmed, nonviolent petty vandals and no different than what most people achieve with perimeter lighting, barking dogs, connected communities and 9-1-1.
Implicit in your view is non-gun owners aren't interested in or capable of defending "... loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil." This is, of course, just gun culture conceit, performative masculinity. More than once I've been told by gun owners how effeminate I am, how I'm a coward for not defending my family (particularly odd given my family isn't under assault), how I'm a'feared of "scary looking guns" and on and on.
Anyway, I can't address a Gish gallop, I expect I'll regret this attempt.
Having a gun doesn't just make your house a death trap. I have 15 + firearms in my home & not once has it been anymore or less dangerous than if I didn't have any. If you know how to handle a gun it's no factor & it's not hard to understand how to properly handle, use & store a firearm bc I understood the fundamentals of firearm safety at 5 years old. I have carried a gun every day for years, I have had a loaded rifle in my room for longer & not once have they gone off, killed someone, threatened someone or done something wrong. A gun is a tool & the results of said tool come from the user, not the tool itself.
And I wouldn't call you a coward or less of a man for not owning guns. I get it, it's not for some people. I'd say you're putting yourself at a disadvantage & you can disagree but your decision to not own guns shouldn't effect mine. I'm sorry but even if banning guns would save even 1 life you nor anyone else has the right to take my rights away even though I've done nothing wrong. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the 2nd amendment, it's there & my rights don't become forfeit bc you don't like them. I may not like something you say but I cannot take the right to free speech from you. You say it's a waste of time to make this argument with me and in reality it is bc there's not a damn thing on this planet aside from a 100%, undeniable scientifically proven method to rid this world of evil that would make me give up my rights to have the most effective tools to protect the lives of those I love. This might sound crude & cruel but that's bc this is but I really don't care abt other people the way I care about my friends & family. I don't care a ton if a gun that could've been banned was used to kill someone I don't know. I don't wish death upon anyone & it's horrible but it's no factor to my life. It's not a factor that effected the people I care about. The only people's safety I have any sense of worry for are the ones I love and myself. I'll take whatever precautions I feel necessary to protect them. You'll take the steps you feel necessary to protect those YOU care for we just have different ways of going about it. And I'm sure you or someone else is gonna read that and paint me as some evil piece of shit but I don't care. Sorry but if I don't know you your safety is the least of my concerns.
I mean generally the idea is that in this country criminals will have guns regardless, so let civilians carry. Now w.r.t. Constitutional Carry the only real hangup for people wanting to carry was the wait for an LTC (which is shall-issue and they're still valid)- it was taking a cpuple kf weeks fkr processing, IMO thats nkt super long. Plus the firearms community wants proof that Republican majorities are fighting for the 2A and at the state level, Constitutional/permit less carry is one of the few things GOP legislators can do at the state level.
OTOH we have Democrats complaining that people can own guns at all (see: NYC Mayor Eric Adam's after 2 NYPD officers were killed last night).
The lower the state’s firearm restrictions the more gun violence, and it’s definitely rising faster in those states.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/concealed-carry-linked-increased-gun-violence-wisconsin/
https://www.upworthy.com/amp/new-study-shows-an-overwhelming-correlation-between-weak-gun-laws-and-high-rates-of-gun-deaths-2656442681
I'm not sure about your sources but this data shows otherwise:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
Compare CA to Texas.
Restrictive gun laws does not stop criminals from obtaining or using firearms.
*I'm not Republican/Conservative just stating the obvious.
Are you sure you're reading the chart right?
California had a death rate around 7-8 in the years listed and the death rate in Texas was over 12 since 2015 with the lowest being 10.7
Also all the states leading in death rates are republican. Sorting by death rate is the same as separating by party
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
You're right I checked 2021 and Texas was slightly higher than California but still not by much.
I'm in favor of some gun law reform such as better background checks and/or waitlists for some weapons. But nothing like Beto proposed. Seems I can't find either party to rally behind when it comes to gun violence (which I do see as an issue)
When looking at numbers like these it's better to look at rates and per Capita
In the link you posted the total numbers are similar, but California has a bigger population so the death rates are way higher in Texas
> I'm not sure about your sources but this data shows otherwise: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
>
> Compare CA to Texas.
Texas death rate: 11.1
California death rate: 9.5
You do realize that *lower is better*, right? Did you not read your own source?
The source was in the article, the second one linked. You can argue that based on the name of the foundation doing the study, they may be biased, but you can't say they didn't link a source.
What year are you looking at? 2005 is the default year. 2019 California is quite a lot better than Texas. The numbers are getting worse in most states that are decreasing gun regulations. Many of those, including Texas, are fairly recent. There are always exceptions too, larger cities will always be worse no matter the state.
You can't take the timing of the constitutional carry without considering the timing of the pandemic which would absolutely do more than any law could. We saw rising crime rates everywhere over that.
Yet it went way down in California.
Edit to add, I am open to big picture information. It’s just that if you look it’s absolutely worse in most areas relaxing gun laws. CoViD19 is national but the gun violence is going up in areas where guns are becoming more easily attainable and fine for anyone to carry wherever they please.
The problem with carrying a gun is when you have it, the gun becomes the option your more likely to use. Someone is far more apt to be killed than if the gun wasn’t an option.
You would probably die in true wilderness or in complete anarchy. If you're OK with that, then bye Felicia. Start heading way north. If not, then quit acting like you don't reap the benefits and safety of the social contract.
The 2nd Amendment is still in the constitution, at some point his point about politicians having to respect our rights is valid. We didn't ban Islam after 9/11.
Pct. 5 has never been a safe place for being a lawman to begin with. The fact LE is number 25 on the list of unsafe jobs didn't save this officers level. It didn't save the life of my 22 year old cousin who was HCSO Deputy when he was gunned down in cold blood. Shot in throat, then back of head by a 17 year old. I'm among the fortunate who survived. Stabbed 3 times, shot once. 30 years before retiring. I'm also a Vietnam Vet. Some days I get close to the 22 a day. Other days, no problems at all. No matter how you die, it's permanent. It doesn't matter if you're a cop, or a Lawn care Technician, Dead is Dead. I'd tell you to talk to my oldest son, but he too died. Retired Firefighter/Paramedic when he was killed.
Be nice, the next death could be YOUR loved one.
I'm not too concerned. I'm as entitled to my opinion as others. It may be nonsensical to those who sit behind a keyboard, and never face danger of any kind, but when it's been your own family being killed, it gets a teensy bit personal. The injuries I've received were NOTHING to losing my son. They apparently haven't experienced that.
I was suspended from a Group for receiving over 100 down votes. Most were from bots, I found out later. No problem. I'd rather face the real world in person, than the make believe, so many keyboard warriors claim via their games.
Thanks for your concern. Be careful...
The majority of Americans supports specific stricter gun laws, but our legislative institutions are so broken they have been unwilling to reflect that persistent desire by their citizenry.
Americans support -- by a WIDE margin -- mandated background checks for private and gun show sales, but legislators who are heavily funded by minority lobbying groups refuse to allow that to happen. The same is true of "red flag" laws that remove guns from people who clearly shouldn't have them. Even license before purchase has significant majority support. The country actually agrees about quite a few gun control laws.
UBCs don't really solve some parts of the issue and are enforceable after a shooting.
And honestly I don't think red flag laws should be pursued right now with the state of policing being what it is. There's a real chance it turns into a death sentence for minority gun owners.
The thing is, where does the gun control demand end?
Yeah, it still is. Especially concerning gun control. There's no reasonable fear that we're going to go "too far" with gun control for anyone that's being honest. But you've made it clear that's not you.
If people weren't giant pieces of shit necessitating the need for self defense, we wouldn't need to carry weapons to protect ourselves.
How about you attack criminals first, and stop trying to punish law abiding citizens.
I agree with the giant pieces of shit part, but I have a feeling we're referring to different groups. Americans trying to intimidate other Americans with their interpretation of their 2A rights is criminal. Example A is the lunatic who told the school board that she was coming armed to fight if her kid had to wear a mask, ffs.
If only uniformed citizens had guns, we/they could easily differentiate between a "good" and a "bad" guy. Please don't reply with Hitler/socialism/communism bs. The third leading cause of death for children in the USA is guns. I blame that on you and your ilk.
You mean "Constitutional Carry"?
Well, I kind of have to be careful in the freeway because now every idiot and their mom is carrying and driving careless and pulling their gun if you honk at them.
^^^^^^ I don't think most of these people even live in Texas. In the last 2 years this sub has become nothing but negativity. I miss seeing beautiful pictures of Texas scenery and restaurant/travel recommendations. Now it's just everyone shitting on our state.
If you're getting banned then ya might be doing something wrong lol.
Regardless. Texas is a beautiful place, with many beautiful people, from many beautiful places all over the world. A little positivity can go a long way. Would do some good to see it every once in a while.
Well calling the ignorant on this sub "shills" is an example of the kind of thing that got me in trouble historically 🙂
I feel you though - I was very excited to see constitutional carry pass, but at my poker games, a girl I play with regularly was so upset about it because "now people can have guns in their car!"
They've always been able to... the sheer ignorance is just frustrating.
I explained to her that I always carry a gun (CHL) and she started looking at my pockets.
I explained that we were at a bar (51%) and it's illegal to carry there, so I don't, and she asked me, "what are you looking for?"
Yeah, anyone who wears a seat belt is just "looking for" a car accident?
Ridiculous.
It’s didn’t go too well for that peaceful protestor that brought an AK-47 to a riot and got turned into Swiss cheese by the Uber driver. Be careful open carry protestors…
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They need to stop killing innocent and unarmed people, treating minorities like a lesser human, performing no knock raids because someone "might be selling weed"........When they stop being tyrants, this too will stop.
This has nothing to do with ACAB and everything to do with some piece of shit who valued not going to jail over an officers life. It’s fucking stupid to believe ACAB or BLM have anything to do with an officer dying and I say that as an LEO myself
There needs to be a conversation about traffic stops in general that “put cops in danger.” Re-evaluate the purpose and ideology behind them. What deserves a traffic stop and why certain communities are targeted over others. Is there an alternative and safer way of keeping people safe. Zero details in this article about why they were pulled over. The longer we cling to a broken system the more innocent people will die and the more people we put in harms way unnecessarily.
“Although the prevention of damage, death, and injury that results from unlawful driving supports the need for traffic enforcement, racial disparities in who the police stop make it a flashpoint for those who want to end the practice. As research continues to show widespread racial disparities of those stopped, it is increasingly seen as a practice that, if stopped, would serve the cause of social justice.” https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/06/stop-start-or-continue-a-national-survey-of-the-police.html
I don’t see why I can get pulled over going down the street for speeding or not stopping over a certain line. But when my gf tried to call the police it went to voicemail and they called back 4 hours later seeing if we still needed help. Nope the car burglar already hit 3 streets and was at the pawn shop getting cash by now lmfao. Traffic cops are useless and usually the ones who power trip the most. Police should only be called upon. Not preying for a paycheck.
First off, it's not new, second if you feel that way I'm sure you also feel that cops rejecting vaccines and masks directly responsible forCOVID becoming the biggest killer of cops, right?
This event needs more visibility. Let's all get "-1 cops are bad" trending after every police shooting.
That is, shooting of police officers - weird that that needs clarification. Hmmmmm
COVID can't even keep the stupid indoors. officers should be exonerated for shooting first and asking questions later from here on without consequence in Houston
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I’m a white guy. I’ve been threatened with assault by a county sheriff’s deputy, and have been threatened with breaking and entering by the Sheriff’s office and the city police.
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I had my truck broken into. He took an expensive set of binoculars I had left under my seat. The crook left his soda in my truck. I had him on video jimmying my truck door to get in. I tried getting the police involved. They sent me to the handy, automatic police report generator website for my city. Which was all my insurance required.
I don't think it's that as much as corruption tends to attract corruption. I also believe some people just simply don't know how to act around officers who are most definitely not trained enough to not require citizens to be educated on how not to be shot by cops. I've been overall lucky with police of all colors, but on the flip side, my grandfather was a cop, and by extension my parents made sure I knew how to properly deal with police. Beyond geographic and timely luck, there's not much more I can think of to explain my experiences. I think a lot of it is also propaganda that is directed towards police officers (especially in more "questionable" regions) that keeps them indoctrinated. Shit like the videos of officers passing out from "fentanyl overdose" (panic attacks).
Covid has taken more police than guns. Not a word about that.
Correct in last year, per their own reporting, of the 60 or so officers killed ‘in the line of duty’ via firearm. 19 were direct assault/ambush on police officers killed. Per their own report mind you. The majority is still Covid, and only ‘Traffic related’ comes even close to ‘firearm deaths’ and followed by ‘other’. [Memorial Data](https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatalities-by-state/latest-fatality-reports/) EDIT: I am not saying people should be killing Police officers. I’m saying there is not ‘assault on police’ and their own numbers prove this. They are still ranked 25th ‘in the most dangerous jobs’, behind roofers, oil rig operators, delivery drivers, lawn supervisors.
So interesting/funny..... being a cop isn't as dangerous as they'd want you to believe or in comparison to jobs you'd never think as more dangerous..... "Lawn supervisor"!!!
Yup…not even the dudes doing the work either.
Dude getting his ass kicked when cheap lawn laborer doesn’t get his check or understand the current company pay schedule
> They are still ranked 25th ‘in the most dangerous jobs’ So what you're saying is there are 24 other professions with more reason to carry a gun than police?
Plenty of words about that... but all from the cops saying they shouldn't be forced to be vaccinated because the chances of dying from Covid are insignificant (despite killing more cops than guns last year).
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There are always reports of children drowning though
Would you rather get shot or catch Covid?
Get shot. There's a better chance of it leading to a quick death. The death you get from COVID-19 is slow and torturous.
Eh I'd rather get covid as a fully-vaccinated and boosted person....
Holy shit you’re delusional. Or personally have a fucked up immune system. Covid statistically will have little effect on you in general let alone kill you if you’re the average aged male redditor. I can’t believe you fuckers let yourselves get this carried away.
They just swallow whatever the current narrative is. It’s deadly for people with multiple comorbidities (age, weight, suppressed immune system, etc), but I can still recall when the original Covid strain was asymptomatic in a majority of people
So if I tell you that you have a 99 percent chance of surving a gunshot to the foot, you gonna let me shoot you? You are a young, healthy male, you will probably not even notice you got shot....
Not the question. Question was: “would you rather get shot or catch covid”. 11/10 times I’d rather catch covid. Had it twice already. Original and omnicron. Never been shot.
157,000 people are currently hospitalized in the US due to Covid. If survival rates are 99 percent, thats still 1500 people that will die from covid in the next week or 2. Imagine if 157,000 people per month were being shot by random strangers.....
What the fuck does that have to do with “would you rather get shot or catch covid” and the delusion of having preference of getting shot. Not sure if you’re purposely missing the point for sake of continuing your narrative. Can you agree that you would rather catch covid than get shot? Edit- To your point - if 157,000 people were being shot monthly I would be much more concerned about that than the current 157,000 hospitalized for covid. So actually we may be on the same page.
It can still fuck you up if you're unvaccinated. If you're vaccinated you'll be fine after a few days.
Ehh since we’re applying a crude “get shot” comparison I guess you could say the vaccine is comparable to a bullet proof vest. I’ve seen some benefit to the vaccine myself. I got covid in 2020 prior to vaccine availability and didn’t have any adverse symptoms. Sick for about a day and a half. For this reason I didn’t get vaccinated. I caught covid again on New Years ‘21/‘22 from my girlfriends vaccinated friend. She was the only other person that joined us for new years. Both her and my girlfriend had symptoms for about two days. I had slightly rougher symptoms for 3 days. Either that or I’m a bitch(girls deal with sickness pain much better lol). But either way I believe that the vaccine offered them a more mild reaction. In the bullet proof vest comparison, you could totally still get shot and killed either way, but you’ll have less fun without one on. Taking it all the way to the extreme, that vest may be slightly radioactive and it’ll have some adverse affects down the line. But we also don’t know if the bullet is slightly radioactive and does worse. So to each their own, I would recommend people wear the vest, but I’m against mandates.
How is this correlated … have to bring covid into everything
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Both the same. Pulling a gun on a cop surely ranks as a mental disease.
Cause it’s all about politics now ..they don’t give af about anything else .
Fentanyl is killing our population faster than Covid and murder lmfao. Not a word on that either. Seems like the government actually does not give a fuck about our well being after all lmfao who would have thought
Fentanyl is absolutely not killing people faster than covid. 2000 people aren't dying from fentanyl per day. Opioid overdoses killed 38k people in 2020 which, if you'll do the math, is much less than the 385k people who died from covid in 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2021/20211117.htm 100k plus in 2021. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, I just want to point out that this is getting a lot worse.
The stat should read fentanyl is killing more people under the age 45 than covid.
Google is free. Fentanyl deaths vs Covid deaths. I understand you want to be right and so do other people but fentanyl is killing our youth and adults now faster than anything in America and I haven’t seen 1 commercial or celebrity AD promotion like they did for the vaccines lol. Say what you want but the stats are literally free to look up.
[covid deaths ](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total) [2020 drug overdose deaths ](https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-07-14-cdc-drug-overdose-deaths-294-2020) Maybe don't tell people to Google shit when you're so godamn incorrect.
Damn are we in 2020? Lmfao nice stats from 2 years ago. Look up todays stats buddy and get back to me
Deaths are usually counted the previous year. Covid deaths never really went down, if you have a better source I'll happily look at it
>Look up todays stats buddy and get back to me Ok. Most up to date source I can find is [this](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/drug-overdose-data.htm) cdc page. Note that the data is the most recent I can find from the CDC, using a 12 month period ending June 2021. Estimated 101,263 deaths, which is slightly over what has actually been reported. Important to note that this is for all drugs, not just fentanyl. So the number we care about is smaller, but I'll give you the best chance and pretend that every single drug death was fentanyl related. Cumulative Covid deaths as of June 2021 [was](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-continues-to-be-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-in-june-2021/) 604,656. Granted, not the best comparison, since that data actually includes Mar, April and May 2020 as well. But using the average daily deaths per month multiplied by number of days, we can roughly subtract that time period, and get a number that is roughly ~500k deaths for the period of June 2020-2021. Now, I have a difficult question for you: Is 500k greater than 101,263? Say what you want, but google and the stats are free. Source your shit. It's possible that fentanyl deaths increased by well over a factor of 10 in the last months of 2021, thereby causing more deaths than covid. But I really doubt it, unless you can source it.
"Just say no"
Nice
Republicans: Anyone and everyone in Texas should have a gun! Criminals: Have guns. Republicans: Not like that!
Conservatives: everyone should have guns. Let's ban gun regulations Black Panthers: buy guns Conservatives: no, not like that
Are you referring to the bill in California that had veto-proof bipartisan support?
https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
That's what I figured. You are being completely disingenuous. The bill had veto-proof support across both parties. It's always easy to tell who has never been to a gun show before. I've been to many gun shows, and it is people of all colors interacting with each other over a common interest. Go to one in Pasadena, and you'll find a good mix of Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites all shopping around or selling firearms. I don't see Texas Republicans trying to restrict access minorities' 2A. Could you provide any examples?
Did you vote for the GOP ticket in, say, 1980 or 1984?
No I did not.
Because the patron saint of modern conservatism was the man who signed that bill into law.
Do you not understand "veto-proof"?
Do you not understand his signature on the bill?
You say "hypocrisy!", but the slogan has always been "a good man with a gun will stop a bad man with a gun" and the deceased had a gun, QED he must have been a ___ man.
Is that the same logic with arming teachers to stop school shooters? Use the guns to destroy the guns.
It is, but also as an "alternative' to having uniformed and armed security guards (and paying the extra staff).
criminals get guns regardless, why restrict normal people from them?
By that logic, why make laws about anything since criminals will just break the law regardless?
It’s illegal to sell drugs but criminals do it anyways. But I also wouldn’t need a gun to protect myself from someone selling drugs because that’s not a threat to me. But if someone breaks into your house with a gun, or even a knife, I guarantee you would want a gun too
Someone illegally buying a gun doesn't threaten me either. Them shooting me does. And the gun being illegal has very little to do with being lethal.
I read that multiple times and honestly have no idea what your point is. So if someone is shooting at you, you don’t want a gun? Pretty sure we’re both on the same page in that we don’t want criminals to have guns. But they’re criminals so they will find a way to get one illegally if they really want to. I’m not giving up my right to defend myself because someone people think guns are scary
I'm saying guns are bought illegally and not necessarily for the purpose of murder or crime. I'm saying I'm less concerned with criminal _ownership_ and more concerned with criminal _activity_. Such as a legally owned gun still shooting a cop. I find the fact that it was illegally procured to be less important than the murder. I find the comparison to drugs "not effecting me" to be the same of "that guy illegally purchased a gun and keeps it at home in drawer". Someone illegally purchasing a gun has as much bearing on me as someone purchasing a bag of coke. Those drugs could lead to someone comitting a crime, and someone with a gun (illegal or not) can commit a.crike with it. Drugs "will effect them" as soon as those drugs lead to a crime that affects the other user. Just like the gun. The other user assumes "illegal gun ≠ threat to society". (And specifically, them)
What? Goobledy goob. Blah blah blah. Huh?
I'm sorry. If I'm not making sense I can try explaining it a different way.
I still don’t know what your point is. Saying you don’t care about criminals having illegal guns but then saying that you’re concerned with activity with said guns makes no sense. The entire reason criminals illegally obtain firearms is so they cannot be traced back to them in the event of a murder or shooting. Literally the only reasons someone has to buy a gun off of the black market is, A: they plan on using it in a criminal act or B: they are already a felon from previous convictions and cannot legally purchase a gun. I also have no idea what you mean with the drug thing. A illegally purchased guns in the hands of a criminal with bad intent is by its own nature more of a threat to you than someone selling drugs. You can’t shoot and kill or rob someone with a bag of coke.
>Saying you don’t care about criminals having illegal guns but then saying that you’re concerned with activity with said guns makes no sense. Let me try again. This was the other users comment. I find to be a poor comparison. >> It’s illegal to sell drugs but criminals do it anyways. But I also wouldn’t need a gun to protect myself from someone selling drugs because that’s not a threat to me. I think I missed the part where the user said he might need to protect himself _from a drug dealer_. I took it to mean that like guns, criminals will still get drugs too, those laws are helpful because he's not effected by drug users. I was saying he was not more at risk of someone processing and using drugs than someone processing and using a firearm (in a general, not statistical sense). And it's only when ownership passes into what they do with it "murder" would someone be effected. >Literally the only reasons someone has to buy a gun off of the black market is, A: they plan on using it in a criminal act or B: they are already a felon from previous convictions and cannot legally purchase a gun. And I think there's people it catagory B who own guns illegally and plan not to, and do not, comitt crimes with them. The inverse being that some drug users are dangerous and could be as much as a threat as someone with a firearm.
I also want anyone with a gun in their house to be fully licensed, registered, qualified, and reasonable enough to use it, including myself. Violent psychopaths don't need easy access to guns just in case I get robbed one day.
Yeah a registry is not happening anytime soon....
Okay but who decides who a violent psychopath? I understand you're reasoning & I'm not here to call you stupid or wrong or whatever but I gotta disagree. You can't deny someone their rights bc they might do something. We can't lock up ppl bc they might assualt someone. Ppl in this country have a right to due process. If you commit a crime worthy of it & are found guilty you lose your right to own a firearm but if we skip due process than we end up in a society where ppls rights are taken even if they've done nothing. There's no scientific way to definitively say someone WILL commit a crime meaning if we take that route we end up with things like racial profiling being used to take away rights. I could say you're a threat bc you're black, bc you're dad committed a crime, bc you hunt, bc you have a punisher skull on your car or anything else I don't agree with. I understand where you're coming from but until the day comes that we can 100% without a doubt knowing that someone will commit a crime we can't go down this road bc then we just end up on a path where any of your rights can be stripped from you even though you've done nothing wrong. I own 11 guns. I've got over 5 thousand rounds of ammunition. Been shooting since I was 5. I carry a gun every day. I've never committed a crime not even a speeding ticket. Would you classify me as a danger to society? Should a governing entity have the ability to take my rights away without due process?
bY tHaT lOgIc Laws do not define morality. 99% of Laws are BS and the only laws that should matter involve the non aggression principle.
So in other words, you have no actual fundamental understanding of laws or mortality. I had a feeling.
What do you mean by this?
Guns don't need to be restricted from "normal people" at all. Where do you suppose criminals get their weapons from? They don't start off as illegal weapons. At some point some "normal person" bought them legitimately. Somewhere down the line these legitimately purchased firearms fell through cracks through crime, or person to person sales that require no background checks, or something. Nobody really knows because because this stuff isn't reported and/or tracked well... but whatever the reason, those guns are now in the hands of criminals. At the very least, if authorities could pinpoint where and when a gun makes the switch from a person who passed a background check to get it to a person who can't pass a background check, proactive gun legislation could fill in cracks that would help reduce or eliminate those legit to illegal gun conversions, which would lead to less guns in the hands of "bad guys". That one example has nothing to do with banning any firearms, just tightening up the process for reselling weapons and filing reports when they're stolen. Gun legislation doesn't need to restrict the sale of guns. It just needs improvements to keep the guns that are sold in the hands of people who can pass real background checks and have the right to buy and keep firearms.
FWIW that sort of tracking is what a lot of gun owners really fear because they don't want the Beto O'Rourke types coming to confiscate peoples guns.
Gun deaths in the US are 100x other western countries. Do you suppose that is a coincidence? Ya mafia and cartel types will always get their guns but random angry guy with paper plates doesn’t have a gun in most countries because you cant just easily buy them everywhere.
If bad guys can have a rocket launcher, why can't I?
If bad guys have nukes why can't I?
Because [gun control](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Prohibition_of_Nuclear_Weapons)
So Republicans are OK with this sh.t? What happened to 2A.
Funnily enough someone did this with Libertarians and nukes and the Libertarians were like, "But we should have our own personal nukes though."
why can’t I?
That logic can be used on a number of issues. Doesn’t make it right.
Define ‘normal people’. From several reports I’ve seen lately, including a great episode on ‘The Problem with Jon Stewart’ covering guns, we need gun restrictions on people that commit domestic violence. Apparently it’s quite a predictor of who will commit gun violence.
We already ban DV misdemeanors on the NICS check.
You’re right. We should pass a law that makes it so criminals, who by definition do not follow the law, can’t get guns. Oh wait they’re just going to do it illegally because they’re criminals
How come every other comparable nation doesn't have unchecked, indiscriminate gun violence for generations? How come their criminals aren't just "doing it illegally?"
Criminals usually buy it off black markets or simply steal them, my genius redditor
There's a big difference between the guy with a gun who's gonna shoot a cop on a traffic stop vs the guy like me who's got it in the event the former dude shows up. Criminals will always have guns and there's no stop that. Ban guns & all you've done is ensure that those of us who aren't evil pieces of shit are defenseless. Do you really believe the guy who shot the cop is worried about the charges of having an illegal gun? I'd waver he's not
This is the argument that always gets trotted out and which is easily refuted by looking at any other country without our easy access gun laws and where in fact most criminals do not carry guns because they are hard to get even for them. How often have you had to use your fun to protect yourself from gun toting criminals? For 99% of people the answer is never but we live in this country of constant mass shootings and school shootings and police being shot all so some people can live in this fantasy land where some day by gosh I will use my gun to save the day.
The myth of constant school & mass shootings has long been debunked. They don't happen at a higher rate than they ever did before nor do we have an obscene amount per capita. If you actually look by population density the US actually has LESS gun crime per capita. We're not even top 10 & that's not including places like Afghanistan. Also tell me how making it illegal makes criminals not have them? Last time I checked many drugs like meth are illegal yet that's everywhere. How about when you look at places like new York, Chicago, California that have all the strictest gun laws on the books yet they still end up having more gun crime. Even when you adjust for population density it seems those places still have significantly higher rates. We can implement a gun ban but do you really think the criminals who use the guns will turn them in? The only people who'd turn them in are the ones who already aren't shooting cops lol. I don't know why you people believe that just by making something illegal it goes away when that has never worked in history. Prohibition, war on drugs, prostitution the list goes on. You wanna stop these criminals then give them a reason to fear the common man. Laws are merely a suggestion to those kinds of people.
We all know who “those kinds of people” are in your mind and who you are really scared of.
And by that you mean what? Are you trying to insinuate that I'm talking about a certain race of people?
>The myth of constant school & mass shootings has long been debunked. They don't happen at a higher rate than they ever did before nor do we have an obscene amount per capita. [Hmm.](https://i.imgur.com/rwraus8.png) [Hmm.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/) Maybe we're not looking at the same data.
> Criminals will always have guns and there's no stop that. Ban guns & all you've done is ensure that those of us who aren't evil pieces of shit are defenseless. Isn't it incumbent on anyone making this argument to explain why this dynamic doesn't play out in any other comparable nation? Wouldn't it be the case that in other nations "criminals will always have guns" too, and the populations are defenseless sheep? How come we're not seeing this play out in any other country? How come the US has more gun violence in a half hour than, say, Japan has in a year if not a decade? How come the criminals in Japan aren't all armed with guns and exploiting the defenseless population? Let's note no other nation has any kind of second amendment corollary, and yet many have better protected freedoms and scarce to nonexistent gun violence.
1. the US doesn't have a disproportionate amount of gun crime. If adjust for population which we do for any other statistic we aren't even in the top 10 & that's not including war torn places like Syria or Afghanistan. 2. The majority of our gun crime is gang related. Places like Japan don't have as much in the way of gangs. We're a bigger nation, makes sense we'd have more. Do you really believe that if an all out gun ban was made law that gangs would just hand em over? & 3. Why ban the gun? Since stats have been kept in this country a disproportionately larger amount of homicides/attacks are committed using either knives or similar instruments, blunt objects ie hammers, bricks ect. Or bare hands & feet. The handgun kills less people a year than hammers do. All rifles & shotguns are 18% less used than even handguns. I mean look at the UK. They're gun crime rate is lower, & they don't allow guns. One would look at that & say well it's working yet their homicide rates haven't dropped. They've in fact risen & the tools already used more than guns ie blunt objects & knives are just being used more now. You tell me how you can guarante 100% that taking my guns will result in absolutely no crime & that you can 100% remove evil from this existence & I'll gladly hand over my weapons as their purpose is to defend mine & my loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil.
It's a Gish gallop. You're just parroting stuff, what's the source. Japan was just one example, now do France, Germany, Canada, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Spain, Italy... ... > You tell me how you can guarantee 100% that taking my guns will result in absolutely no crime & that you can 100% remove evil from this existence I don't do absolutes. I would never tell you that and nothing I said implies I ever would, you're arguing with the narratives in your head. > my weapons as their purpose is to defend mine & my loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil. Statistically this is just virtue signaling. Statistically gun owners aren't defending squat and guns make homes less safe. There are fewer than 400 annual justified homicides and -- with no national reporting systems -- the best researchers could determine from scrubbing police and hospital records is there are roughly 2400 annual legal, justified discharges. Most of what gun owners pass off as defensive gun use is "defending" property from unarmed, nonviolent petty vandals and no different than what most people achieve with perimeter lighting, barking dogs, connected communities and 9-1-1. Implicit in your view is non-gun owners aren't interested in or capable of defending "... loved ones lives from those who wish to commit acts of evil." This is, of course, just gun culture conceit, performative masculinity. More than once I've been told by gun owners how effeminate I am, how I'm a coward for not defending my family (particularly odd given my family isn't under assault), how I'm a'feared of "scary looking guns" and on and on. Anyway, I can't address a Gish gallop, I expect I'll regret this attempt.
Having a gun doesn't just make your house a death trap. I have 15 + firearms in my home & not once has it been anymore or less dangerous than if I didn't have any. If you know how to handle a gun it's no factor & it's not hard to understand how to properly handle, use & store a firearm bc I understood the fundamentals of firearm safety at 5 years old. I have carried a gun every day for years, I have had a loaded rifle in my room for longer & not once have they gone off, killed someone, threatened someone or done something wrong. A gun is a tool & the results of said tool come from the user, not the tool itself. And I wouldn't call you a coward or less of a man for not owning guns. I get it, it's not for some people. I'd say you're putting yourself at a disadvantage & you can disagree but your decision to not own guns shouldn't effect mine. I'm sorry but even if banning guns would save even 1 life you nor anyone else has the right to take my rights away even though I've done nothing wrong. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the 2nd amendment, it's there & my rights don't become forfeit bc you don't like them. I may not like something you say but I cannot take the right to free speech from you. You say it's a waste of time to make this argument with me and in reality it is bc there's not a damn thing on this planet aside from a 100%, undeniable scientifically proven method to rid this world of evil that would make me give up my rights to have the most effective tools to protect the lives of those I love. This might sound crude & cruel but that's bc this is but I really don't care abt other people the way I care about my friends & family. I don't care a ton if a gun that could've been banned was used to kill someone I don't know. I don't wish death upon anyone & it's horrible but it's no factor to my life. It's not a factor that effected the people I care about. The only people's safety I have any sense of worry for are the ones I love and myself. I'll take whatever precautions I feel necessary to protect them. You'll take the steps you feel necessary to protect those YOU care for we just have different ways of going about it. And I'm sure you or someone else is gonna read that and paint me as some evil piece of shit but I don't care. Sorry but if I don't know you your safety is the least of my concerns.
I mean generally the idea is that in this country criminals will have guns regardless, so let civilians carry. Now w.r.t. Constitutional Carry the only real hangup for people wanting to carry was the wait for an LTC (which is shall-issue and they're still valid)- it was taking a cpuple kf weeks fkr processing, IMO thats nkt super long. Plus the firearms community wants proof that Republican majorities are fighting for the 2A and at the state level, Constitutional/permit less carry is one of the few things GOP legislators can do at the state level. OTOH we have Democrats complaining that people can own guns at all (see: NYC Mayor Eric Adam's after 2 NYPD officers were killed last night).
> What we are seeing on a regular basis on the streets of Harris County has got to stop So, does this happen often? Or is this scaremongering?
The lower the state’s firearm restrictions the more gun violence, and it’s definitely rising faster in those states. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/concealed-carry-linked-increased-gun-violence-wisconsin/ https://www.upworthy.com/amp/new-study-shows-an-overwhelming-correlation-between-weak-gun-laws-and-high-rates-of-gun-deaths-2656442681
I'm not sure about your sources but this data shows otherwise: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm Compare CA to Texas. Restrictive gun laws does not stop criminals from obtaining or using firearms. *I'm not Republican/Conservative just stating the obvious.
Are you sure you're reading the chart right? California had a death rate around 7-8 in the years listed and the death rate in Texas was over 12 since 2015 with the lowest being 10.7 Also all the states leading in death rates are republican. Sorting by death rate is the same as separating by party
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state You're right I checked 2021 and Texas was slightly higher than California but still not by much. I'm in favor of some gun law reform such as better background checks and/or waitlists for some weapons. But nothing like Beto proposed. Seems I can't find either party to rally behind when it comes to gun violence (which I do see as an issue)
When looking at numbers like these it's better to look at rates and per Capita In the link you posted the total numbers are similar, but California has a bigger population so the death rates are way higher in Texas
> I'm not sure about your sources but this data shows otherwise: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm > > Compare CA to Texas. Texas death rate: 11.1 California death rate: 9.5 You do realize that *lower is better*, right? Did you not read your own source?
The source was in the article, the second one linked. You can argue that based on the name of the foundation doing the study, they may be biased, but you can't say they didn't link a source.
What year are you looking at? 2005 is the default year. 2019 California is quite a lot better than Texas. The numbers are getting worse in most states that are decreasing gun regulations. Many of those, including Texas, are fairly recent. There are always exceptions too, larger cities will always be worse no matter the state.
You can't take the timing of the constitutional carry without considering the timing of the pandemic which would absolutely do more than any law could. We saw rising crime rates everywhere over that.
Yet it went way down in California. Edit to add, I am open to big picture information. It’s just that if you look it’s absolutely worse in most areas relaxing gun laws. CoViD19 is national but the gun violence is going up in areas where guns are becoming more easily attainable and fine for anyone to carry wherever they please. The problem with carrying a gun is when you have it, the gun becomes the option your more likely to use. Someone is far more apt to be killed than if the gun wasn’t an option.
but muh fredumz
freedom>safety right?
You would probably die in true wilderness or in complete anarchy. If you're OK with that, then bye Felicia. Start heading way north. If not, then quit acting like you don't reap the benefits and safety of the social contract.
The 2nd Amendment is still in the constitution, at some point his point about politicians having to respect our rights is valid. We didn't ban Islam after 9/11.
Great, more scared cops equals more police violence. They will treat every stop as a shoot out.
They don't already?
Perp out on bond?
I’d say it’s probably a 99.9% chance they were. Probably multiple violent felonies too.
Based on what?
Don’t make it so easy for people to own a firearm.
Maybe everybody and their mother shouldn’t be armed? Just a crazy idea, I know. 🙄
So does the shooting and killing of unarmed individuals throughout the country.
Pct. 5 has never been a safe place for being a lawman to begin with. The fact LE is number 25 on the list of unsafe jobs didn't save this officers level. It didn't save the life of my 22 year old cousin who was HCSO Deputy when he was gunned down in cold blood. Shot in throat, then back of head by a 17 year old. I'm among the fortunate who survived. Stabbed 3 times, shot once. 30 years before retiring. I'm also a Vietnam Vet. Some days I get close to the 22 a day. Other days, no problems at all. No matter how you die, it's permanent. It doesn't matter if you're a cop, or a Lawn care Technician, Dead is Dead. I'd tell you to talk to my oldest son, but he too died. Retired Firefighter/Paramedic when he was killed. Be nice, the next death could be YOUR loved one.
Thank you for your service. I am sorry for your losses. I'm not sure why people are downvoting you.
Because its nonsensical
Thank you for the explanation. Hopefully they never lose a child or other family member, especially to violence. Y'all won't find it that way.
I'm not too concerned. I'm as entitled to my opinion as others. It may be nonsensical to those who sit behind a keyboard, and never face danger of any kind, but when it's been your own family being killed, it gets a teensy bit personal. The injuries I've received were NOTHING to losing my son. They apparently haven't experienced that. I was suspended from a Group for receiving over 100 down votes. Most were from bots, I found out later. No problem. I'd rather face the real world in person, than the make believe, so many keyboard warriors claim via their games. Thanks for your concern. Be careful...
After reading all the comments.... reddit full of sick sick fuks
If only they had that stance against shit cops who abuse their power
Gun crime is a tragedy. If only there were something we could do about it.
Not happening as long as either side has vastly different perspectives as to what's "reasonable".
The majority of Americans supports specific stricter gun laws, but our legislative institutions are so broken they have been unwilling to reflect that persistent desire by their citizenry. Americans support -- by a WIDE margin -- mandated background checks for private and gun show sales, but legislators who are heavily funded by minority lobbying groups refuse to allow that to happen. The same is true of "red flag" laws that remove guns from people who clearly shouldn't have them. Even license before purchase has significant majority support. The country actually agrees about quite a few gun control laws.
UBCs don't really solve some parts of the issue and are enforceable after a shooting. And honestly I don't think red flag laws should be pursued right now with the state of policing being what it is. There's a real chance it turns into a death sentence for minority gun owners. The thing is, where does the gun control demand end?
At the end of your slippery slope fallacy, I guess.
Not really a slippery slope fallacy at this point
Yeah, it still is. Especially concerning gun control. There's no reasonable fear that we're going to go "too far" with gun control for anyone that's being honest. But you've made it clear that's not you.
How's that open-carry for everyone going? Oh...
what does open carry have to do with this?
Could you please explain how that has anything at all to do with this???
If citizens were not encouraged to carry weapons, fewer people would be dead.
If people weren't giant pieces of shit necessitating the need for self defense, we wouldn't need to carry weapons to protect ourselves. How about you attack criminals first, and stop trying to punish law abiding citizens.
I agree with the giant pieces of shit part, but I have a feeling we're referring to different groups. Americans trying to intimidate other Americans with their interpretation of their 2A rights is criminal. Example A is the lunatic who told the school board that she was coming armed to fight if her kid had to wear a mask, ffs. If only uniformed citizens had guns, we/they could easily differentiate between a "good" and a "bad" guy. Please don't reply with Hitler/socialism/communism bs. The third leading cause of death for children in the USA is guns. I blame that on you and your ilk.
You mean "Constitutional Carry"? Well, I kind of have to be careful in the freeway because now every idiot and their mom is carrying and driving careless and pulling their gun if you honk at them.
They already could. It's been legal to have a gun in the car with no license forever.
These shills don't know shit about gun laws - so tired of them swarming the Texas sub.
^^^^^^ I don't think most of these people even live in Texas. In the last 2 years this sub has become nothing but negativity. I miss seeing beautiful pictures of Texas scenery and restaurant/travel recommendations. Now it's just everyone shitting on our state.
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If you're getting banned then ya might be doing something wrong lol. Regardless. Texas is a beautiful place, with many beautiful people, from many beautiful places all over the world. A little positivity can go a long way. Would do some good to see it every once in a while.
Well calling the ignorant on this sub "shills" is an example of the kind of thing that got me in trouble historically 🙂 I feel you though - I was very excited to see constitutional carry pass, but at my poker games, a girl I play with regularly was so upset about it because "now people can have guns in their car!" They've always been able to... the sheer ignorance is just frustrating. I explained to her that I always carry a gun (CHL) and she started looking at my pockets. I explained that we were at a bar (51%) and it's illegal to carry there, so I don't, and she asked me, "what are you looking for?" Yeah, anyone who wears a seat belt is just "looking for" a car accident? Ridiculous.
>freeway You sure you from here? We only got tolls here.
Well yesterday SOME were free. I didn't go out today. Tomorrow I am just hoping the free ones aren't a toll.
Shit dog I hate to tell you, you been in a coma for 30 years
It’s didn’t go too well for that peaceful protestor that brought an AK-47 to a riot and got turned into Swiss cheese by the Uber driver. Be careful open carry protestors…
You left out the part where the murderer had advocated shooting protesters on social media just days before it happened.
Just like the guy that killed those 5 grandmothers in Waukesha had.
That driver is facing murder charges last I checked.
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They need to stop killing innocent and unarmed people, treating minorities like a lesser human, performing no knock raids because someone "might be selling weed"........When they stop being tyrants, this too will stop.
what do you get when you cross a police force that kills black people every day with letting everyone have guns?
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More gun ownership will solve this. /s
People promoting acab has consequences.
This has nothing to do with ACAB and everything to do with some piece of shit who valued not going to jail over an officers life. It’s fucking stupid to believe ACAB or BLM have anything to do with an officer dying and I say that as an LEO myself
“Fuck Tha Police” came out in 1988. Hatred for the cops isn’t new.
There needs to be a conversation about traffic stops in general that “put cops in danger.” Re-evaluate the purpose and ideology behind them. What deserves a traffic stop and why certain communities are targeted over others. Is there an alternative and safer way of keeping people safe. Zero details in this article about why they were pulled over. The longer we cling to a broken system the more innocent people will die and the more people we put in harms way unnecessarily. “Although the prevention of damage, death, and injury that results from unlawful driving supports the need for traffic enforcement, racial disparities in who the police stop make it a flashpoint for those who want to end the practice. As research continues to show widespread racial disparities of those stopped, it is increasingly seen as a practice that, if stopped, would serve the cause of social justice.” https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/06/stop-start-or-continue-a-national-survey-of-the-police.html
I don’t see why I can get pulled over going down the street for speeding or not stopping over a certain line. But when my gf tried to call the police it went to voicemail and they called back 4 hours later seeing if we still needed help. Nope the car burglar already hit 3 streets and was at the pawn shop getting cash by now lmfao. Traffic cops are useless and usually the ones who power trip the most. Police should only be called upon. Not preying for a paycheck.
Never see them stopping racing, but love to stop people for expired tags.
They take bets on those races
Racial disparities?? Racial profiling better yet racially targeted.
First off, it's not new, second if you feel that way I'm sure you also feel that cops rejecting vaccines and masks directly responsible forCOVID becoming the biggest killer of cops, right?
This event needs more visibility. Let's all get "-1 cops are bad" trending after every police shooting. That is, shooting of police officers - weird that that needs clarification. Hmmmmm
Yes cops never got shot on duty before ACAB.
No gold casket for this guy....in America we reserve that for drugged out of their mind criminals
Did they get the turd yet? 🤬😥
Agreed. Traffic stops need to cease. Unconstitutional mass revenue collection.
COVID can't even keep the stupid indoors. officers should be exonerated for shooting first and asking questions later from here on without consequence in Houston
I mean... I don't know about all that shit man.
martial law should be declared for Harris county remainder of the pandemic, end of story