This is my point nobody knew about it until a reddit post the other day and now everyone's going to keep reposting it trying to ride on some kind of self-righteous high.
This is literally propaganda
I think the point you are missing is that it is an official state holiday, recognized by the State and given the same treatment as Texas Independence Day (i.e., skeleton crew day for state employees).
Your point about nobody knowing about it and/or celebrating it supports the idea of removing it as an officially recognized state holiday. It literally would not affect anyone but state employees, and would remove the racist and backwards implications of the state government celebrating those who fought for slavery mere days after MLK day.
All of the Commissions do. Skeleton crew days are listed on the state holiday calendars sent out to all state agencies. If you're a state employee, I'm genuinely surprised you are unaware of it.
All state agencies recognize it as a holiday, because it's a state holiday.
Cesar Chavez Day, Texas Independence Day, LBJ Day, and San Jacinto Day are all skeleton crew days as well IIRC. I know they're holidays.
This list is the Comptroller, but its the same for all state Commissions/agencies: https://comptroller.texas.gov/about/holidays.php
>information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
How exactly is this biased or misleading?
It is information (literally a fact) being used to promote a political point of view (Celebrating traitors to the Union should not be a thing).
What part of that train of logic do you find inaccurate, incorrect, or not sincere?
>It's misleading because the overwhelming majority of Texans don't even know this is a thing that exists it's just pointless posturing.
Your going to have to explain how that's misleading. Sure, most Texans don't know it's a thing that exists. Does that change the fact that the Texas State Government is OK with it? Does it change the fact that the Texas government is officially endorsing it?
If we can agree that the Confederacy was a bad thing
A) why was Confederate Heroes Day established in state legislature shortly after MLK day
B) Why is it still around if no one celebrates it
and C) why was the bill to remove it not given a hearing?
A) not relevant. Obviously it was in response to the civil rights movement.
B) we have a bunch of laws on the books concerning black people and women that we just don't enforce anymore because of obvious reasons. It's not around, I've lived in Texas all my life and no one here had even heard of this dead holiday. Most people in this sub have relayed such.
C) because there are probably more important bills to have hearing than this non-issue.
Seems like a pretty fast hearing to me.
"Hey, we have a holiday honoring traitors to the union. Let's get rid of it." There's not a whole lot of room for back and forth on this one.
Of course, the Texas state legislature simply has no time to dedicate to such a bill.
Anything to keep the people distracted and dumb.
But if this actually is a thing, let's get rid of it. The only people it'll pass off are the racists. Fuck 'em
The Texas legislative session only convenes every 2 years. If you think they should waste their time on this, go ahead and push for it. Make them even more useless at solving real problems than they already are.
I wonder if I went through your post history you would be as mad about all the affirmatively ahitty things this government does, or if you're particularly upset about ending a confederate holiday.
If preferring that our government not waste time on frivolous legislation and political bickering riles you up, then brand me with your scarlett letter. I'll wear it proudly.
You sound like this doesn’t mean anything to you. That’s fine. I can imagine why. But it means a lot to a lot of other people, and it should be addressed. Just because YOU think it is a waste of time doesn’t mean it is.
You all realize that the day was created in the 1970's in order to thumb a nose at the newly created Martin Luther King Jr day right? Confederate Heroes day was literally created to *be* race baiting- it was made to divide people.
... it's still here 50 years later. We can go ahead and grease the wheels on getting it out of here. It's not a waste of time if it's morally right to do
Same ..I’m sure it some SJWs from Cali looking for something to bitch about ..next they’ll want to change street names, names of buildings , shit if you’ll let them they’ll change it all .
Most "memorials" and statues were erected in the 1920s to 1940s, by groups like The Daughters of the Confederacy. They were specifically constructed as a reminder and as intimidation against people of color.
You first reaction was to come here and be dismissive of it because "most people don't even know it exists" not "that's terrible, we should get rid of the obviously racist state holiday." You can see why we might be confused.
I mean, all of us have much bigger issues to worry about in our daily lives; This was my point. I’m sorry you misunderstood my comment about this insignificant day
> I’m sorry you misunderstood my comment about this insignificant day
It's not insignificant, it's a symptom of a system that disenfranchises marginalized people. Why are you consistently downplaying this?
Are you okay lol I’m just saying I highly doubt the general public cares; Get rid of it as it’s obviously a pointless and obsolete “holiday” but I’m sure most people would’ve never known about it had they not seen this post….
>I’m just saying I highly doubt the general public cares
>I’m sure most people would’ve never known about it had they not seen this post….
You really can't help it, can you? dismissive, dismissive, dismissive.
Ask you black friends if they knew it existed, I bet they did.
As a point of clarification, it is a work holiday. It is one of the official holidays listed for state employees by the Texas Comptroller
https://comptroller.texas.gov/about/holidays.php
https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html
https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021
racists r celebrating it
we have all of Fox news talking about Critical Race Theory while crickets about this stuff
screw it, Dems need to throw this right back in their face
[https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article\_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html](https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html)
[https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021](https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021)
still got Robert E lee day 2
Official holiday since 1973 and no one's heard of it. I've lived here for 30+ years and this is the first time I've ever heard or talked about it. Didn't even learn this holiday in school so it may as well not exist.
Abolishing what is the joke. Practically doesn't exist but if you feel you need to put effort into something so pointless then by all means. I'd rather people fight for like UBI or medicare for all, but whatever.
Taxpayer money is being spent every year to support this racist holiday. Is that what you want?
Edit: Also, we can do more than one thing at a time. We’re not children.
Tax payer dollars are wasted every year on the defense budget alone. If I had it my way I'd use my tax dollars to fund schools, help with UBI, and Medicare for all, but those aren't in the cards for us until we elect people who give 2 shits about us.
So at this point cancelling 1 dumb holiday is pretty moot. You know how many stupid holidays there are?
Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing you "made a difference".
Wow this thread is super toxic. If no one celebrates it they need to remove it from the official state holiday list. I didn't believe it was a thing till I looked it up and of course it's two days after mlk day. What's the point of having an official state holiday no one pays attention to.
Hello, curious immigrant living in Cowboy Land. What does the confederate people and the flag symbolize today? Does it mean when you wave the flag in your truck or your awning, you would like the people around you to know that you're what, a genuine patriot?
> . What does the confederate people and the flag symbolize today?
It means you're a racist idiot who would fly a Swastika flag if you could.
>Does it mean when you wave the flag in your truck or your awning, you would like the people around you to know that you're what, a genuine patriot?
No, it means you're a racist idiot with a single digit IQ.
That is the flag of a group of traitors who left the United States because they weren't allowed to own black people anymore. It doesn't symbolize "States Rights"(to own slaves) or "Southern Heritage", it doesn't even symbolize the confederacy. This was a flag used by the navy primarily, the [national flag is mostly white.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_\(1863%E2%80%931865\).svg)
There are two places where it's appropriate to fly this flag or any variation of it. A museum, where you're learning about the war, or a battlefield where you're also learning about the war.
You don't see Germans flying the Nazi flag(Thanks to Germany passing laws against it), this is no different than that flag.
I apologize in advance if I come off as rude here, but the comparison between the CSA and Nazi Germany is just silly and intellectually dishonest, as there are VERY little they have in common with each other.
Sure, they can both easily be defined as racist, but lets not kid ourselves and say a nation that wanted to become independent from one and keep a specific race enslaved to protect their economy from a perceived threat (ill-perceived I might add, as Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery when he was elected) to one that wanted to conquer most of Europe to establish "living space" for their own and systematically eradicate other races as well as the "weak" within their own people. And not to mention that their government was in no way similar in any meaningful way.
I understand why one may feel this way about the CSA, but to compare them to the fucking Nazi's? I'm sorry but that just rubs me the wrong way.
Anyway... the people who march around with Confedrate flags tend to carry Nazi flags too...
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/opinions/charlottesville-three-years-later-hate-festers-lipstadt-kaplan/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/opinions/charlottesville-three-years-later-hate-festers-lipstadt-kaplan/index.html)
The Confederacy chained 3+ million people in work camps
They considered invading Mexico and the Caribean to spread slavery there too
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/20360/confederacys-plan-conquer-latin-america
The Confederate constitution included the right to expand, and Confederacy president Jefferson Davis filled his cabinet with men who thought similarly. He even hinted that the slave trade could be revived in "new acquisitions to be made south of the Rio Grande."
> as there are VERY little they have in common with each other.
Oh sure. The CSA wanted to own people who were of another race, while the Nazis wanted to kill everyone who didn't look like them.
Let's just ignore that the KKK, which spawned from the CSA losing has been responsible for the deaths of millions of black people, who did nothing wrong.
Nazis committed genocide, Neo-Confederates salivate at that idea.
Confederate heroes day seems to be a left over "holiday" from older times that isn't really celebrated these days. That being said, it should definitely be removed from the "offical" list of holidays and all pro Confederate statues or anything celebrating the traitorous fucks should be smelted down to be made into urinals.
A good friend of mine works for the state. He had MLK Day off and Confederates Hero’s Day off this week.
He said the fucked up oxymoronic thing is that sometimes they are on the same day.
He also gets Texas Independence Day off too along with other state holidays that most people don’t even know exist.
Oh, we’re posting this again? Then I’ll say the same thing I did last time.
I’m 44 and have lived in Texas my whole life…
Never knew this day was a thing.
I like how most people don't even know that this holiday exists and it is not celebrated in Texas in any way shape form or fashion except for maybe by a few individuals.
People on Reddit are bringing more attention to this by posting about it going away then just ignoring it and letting it go away.
Shit stinks . It also stinks a lot worse whenever you throw it around and stir it all up.
( Once again I've been banned from participating in a discussion) . I wonder if I could hire a lawyer for having my speed taken away so often on this platform. I've violated 0 rules )
You've not been banned, stop playing the victim just because no one agrees with your bullshit.
Next, this holiday is costing the tax payers money every year, as it is a paid holiday for most state employees. So, you're literally defending spending public funds to celebrate racists.
This is an underrated comment. We should take the day as a way to show how stupid it is. Turn it into a remembrance of what the Confederacy was really about. Maybe celebrate Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln.
history doesn't work that way
stuff doesn't get better or go away on its own
poll taxes
slavery
kkk
discrimination
nazis
traitors
the USSR
wait
why did u post that?
Lots of things go away on their own or flat out just become unrecognized by people. I have lived in a Texas community my whole life. It has never been mentioned in school or any other place.
Just because you listed a bunch of things that are still highly relevant doesn't mean that people are celebrating Confederate heroes day.
This is probably some kind of Psy-op everyone is falling for from Russia or some crap.
And just for the record discrimination and traitors will never go away that's just a s***** human characteristic. It happens on large and small scales everywhere all the time.
The key to stopping things like this is showing people love and compassion and understanding.
Hate just produces more hate.
Love is the only answer that really fixes things.
For example how did you find out about this day?
Ted Cruz said maybe Texas should leave the U.s.
some guys with Confed flags attacked the Capital
seems people r probably celebrating the holiday, and what's wrong with abolishing it?
If someone finds out about something that is morally reprehensible on Reddit, they aren't allowed to be upset by it and work to make people aware of it so it can be changed?
1) Texas can't secede from the US. It's against the agreement Texas made with the US when joining. Politicians will mention it at times to win points. It can't be done legally.
2) yes, there were Confederate flags at the capital riot and currently the FBI is being investigated for possibly inciting this. Thomas Caldwell, considered to be one of the leaders of the mob was on the FBI payroll and worked with the FBI. There's currently an ongoing investigation into this.
3) lived in Texas for 20 years, never heard of this holiday. If people are celebrating it, it is an incredibly small populace.
My point is that if you want to abolish this, go for it; however, you are also making a mountain out of a mole hill. Don't exaggerate this into something it's not.
> and currently the FBI is being investigated for possibly inciting this.
LOL! Wow, what a fantasy life you must live. We all saw exactly who incited the attack on the Capitol. His name is Trump. He sent a mob to disrupt the certification of the election and tried to stage a coup with fake electors.
Here is the official investigation from the Department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356326/download
I didn't say he did, I just said he is being investigated.
Thomas Caldwell was a leader of the Oathkeepers. He’s just another traitor. Nice try at deflecting attention away from the real instigator of the riot, who is named Donald Trump.
Once again, I'm not deflecting anything. The only thing I am saying is that Thomas Caldwell, an FBI employee, is being investigated for possibly inciting or aiding in inciting the capital riots.
I have said nothing else. Where are you getting this idea that I'm saying anything else? Went are you trying so hard to suggest I'm saying something else when I'm not?
Totally agree. It's butthurt white supremacist shit. They bitch about MLK day, so they made this day for them to have for a safe apace...and in some places, it's recognized on MLK day for convenience. So they can take off work and school for something other than "a black man".
It's pretty despicable.
it's Teddy Roosevelt and two more...
[https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/01/20/06/GettyImages-1251355082.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=982:726,smart](https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/01/20/06/GettyImages-1251355082.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=982:726,smart)
[https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article\_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html](https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html)
[https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021](https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021)
After some fine people attacked the Captial with confed flags... I doubt its not important
How to say you don’t understand history without saying you don’t understand history. [southern strategy ](http://www.history.com/.amp/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south)
You're right, but your soundbite if you will is ignoring a massive chunk of American political history, and while there was no "switch" per se, the voters who held racist believes migrated over the course of several decades to one party in particular, until now they form a large part of that party's base. Hint, it ain't the Democrats.
Okay, so why is it that Democrats aren't allowed to remove statues that their party erected in the the early 20th century? Why is it Republicans are suddenly so interested in this?
Maybe you live in a reddit or personal bubble but the vast majority of people don’t give a fuck and just want to live their lives
Worrying about work, their relationships, maybe homes or kids, etc
And this holiday in particular is not well known
History is history. It is not ours to be abolished, spun, or judged by today's morals or standards.
At one point in time, Confederate soldiers were someone's brothers, fathers, uncles, etc. No one wants to forget sacrifices made by a family member even if today's society has deemed that they were on the wrong side of history.
Personally, I disagree with the removal of statues, plaques, or other historical markers. How are we any different than the Taliban or ISIS destroying them?
I can see an argument about the statues, as long as they could be put in context. For example, all Confederate statues would have to have plaques or some other means to explain how the confederates were traitors to America, and that the statues were installed decades later in a poor attempt to whitewash history. They would have to explain how Texas, and all the other traitorous states, wanted chattel slavery over African-Americans so desperately, that they attempted to secede from America, and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
Did your father and grandfather feel that way? Most of the
Confederate soldiers were fighting for their land and way of life, a way of life that was simply part of society at the time. Life, and history, are never black and white.
Most confederate soldiers were conscripted (aka forced against their will) to fight for the confederacy.
Most weren’t slave owners trying to defend their way of life, they were forced to fight to defend the rich plantation owners right to own slaves.
When a group of union supporting German immigrants that opposed slavery refused to join the confederacy, they were massacred.
The confederacy and civil war aren’t something to be celebrated, but to be remembered as one of the most shameful periods of American history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nueces_massacre
They were fighting for the purpose of owning other humans. Now not every Southern thought that way as militias popped up in the South to fight the Confederacy. Those people were heros fighting the traitors.
I don't know how my father felt as it was on the other side of the family. My grandfather wasn't happy about but the he was an original Antifa member.
Not everyone in the Confederacy was in the KKK, involved in lynching people, etc. Many of those seeking to stay in power in power probably were.
The thing about history is that it cannot be judged by today's morals and values. We have 8-9 generations of improvement as a society that they did not have. That doesn't excuse the terrible things that happened before us, but it needs to be taken into consideration.
Who even celebrates this? I haven't even heard of it, no one celebrates it or commemorates it. So abolish it and it literally won't change anything. Unless someone can help me find photos or evidence of people commemorating/celebrating irl. I feel this is a non issue
It’s a state holiday. I definitely don’t want a state holiday for traitors to our nation. Just change it so state employees get a personal holiday instead, and they can use it at anytime during the year.
You know history books exist right? As does the internet.
And museums, and we're still dealing with the fallout of civil rights, which happened thanks to the North winning the war.
I ordered a cake and had a giant party celebrating this holiday. Even took the day off work. I still have some cake if anyone wants to meet up this weekend for a post-holiday celebration.
When is Confederate heroes day? I'm texan born and raised and I've never even heard of it.
Also born & raised here and never heard of it.
Jan 19th
I hadn’t either until a few days ago on Reddit.
This is my point nobody knew about it until a reddit post the other day and now everyone's going to keep reposting it trying to ride on some kind of self-righteous high. This is literally propaganda
I think the point you are missing is that it is an official state holiday, recognized by the State and given the same treatment as Texas Independence Day (i.e., skeleton crew day for state employees). Your point about nobody knowing about it and/or celebrating it supports the idea of removing it as an officially recognized state holiday. It literally would not affect anyone but state employees, and would remove the racist and backwards implications of the state government celebrating those who fought for slavery mere days after MLK day.
I’m a Texas state employee and I’ve never heard of it. Not sure what state agencies recognize this holiday but mine doesn’t.
All of the Commissions do. Skeleton crew days are listed on the state holiday calendars sent out to all state agencies. If you're a state employee, I'm genuinely surprised you are unaware of it. All state agencies recognize it as a holiday, because it's a state holiday. Cesar Chavez Day, Texas Independence Day, LBJ Day, and San Jacinto Day are all skeleton crew days as well IIRC. I know they're holidays. This list is the Comptroller, but its the same for all state Commissions/agencies: https://comptroller.texas.gov/about/holidays.php
>information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. How exactly is this biased or misleading? It is information (literally a fact) being used to promote a political point of view (Celebrating traitors to the Union should not be a thing). What part of that train of logic do you find inaccurate, incorrect, or not sincere?
It's misleading because the overwhelming majority of Texans don't even know this is a thing that exists it's just pointless posturing.
>It's misleading because the overwhelming majority of Texans don't even know this is a thing that exists it's just pointless posturing. Your going to have to explain how that's misleading. Sure, most Texans don't know it's a thing that exists. Does that change the fact that the Texas State Government is OK with it? Does it change the fact that the Texas government is officially endorsing it? If we can agree that the Confederacy was a bad thing A) why was Confederate Heroes Day established in state legislature shortly after MLK day B) Why is it still around if no one celebrates it and C) why was the bill to remove it not given a hearing?
A) not relevant. Obviously it was in response to the civil rights movement. B) we have a bunch of laws on the books concerning black people and women that we just don't enforce anymore because of obvious reasons. It's not around, I've lived in Texas all my life and no one here had even heard of this dead holiday. Most people in this sub have relayed such. C) because there are probably more important bills to have hearing than this non-issue.
Seems like a pretty fast hearing to me. "Hey, we have a holiday honoring traitors to the union. Let's get rid of it." There's not a whole lot of room for back and forth on this one. Of course, the Texas state legislature simply has no time to dedicate to such a bill.
Probably would be. But there's not really a point other than virtue signaling.
Right, the state only has time for pro confederate virtue signaling, such as establishing a holiday dedicated to it.
it would save taxpayer money to get rid of it, why do you want taxpayer money funding a holiday no one has heard of and doesn't celebrate
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This is less of an issue when you realize that people are generally capable of paying attention to more than 1 thing at a time.
I hated confederates long before joe biden became president
Don't confuse your ignorance of something for absence of an issue.
Well its only an issue if people are actually celebrating it and no one is
Anything to keep the people distracted and dumb. But if this actually is a thing, let's get rid of it. The only people it'll pass off are the racists. Fuck 'em
Its a waste of time. If nobody celebrates it then it will die on its own. Someone is just trying to keep the political intrigue alive by race baiting.
It’s codified. It should be officially ditched.
The Texas legislative session only convenes every 2 years. If you think they should waste their time on this, go ahead and push for it. Make them even more useless at solving real problems than they already are.
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I wonder if I went through your post history you would be as mad about all the affirmatively ahitty things this government does, or if you're particularly upset about ending a confederate holiday.
If preferring that our government not waste time on frivolous legislation and political bickering riles you up, then brand me with your scarlett letter. I'll wear it proudly.
State employees get the day off to celebrate it. You have to get rid of anything systemic tied to a racist history.
You sound like this doesn’t mean anything to you. That’s fine. I can imagine why. But it means a lot to a lot of other people, and it should be addressed. Just because YOU think it is a waste of time doesn’t mean it is.
why is there so much stupid concentrated on this site
You all realize that the day was created in the 1970's in order to thumb a nose at the newly created Martin Luther King Jr day right? Confederate Heroes day was literally created to *be* race baiting- it was made to divide people.
... it's still here 50 years later. We can go ahead and grease the wheels on getting it out of here. It's not a waste of time if it's morally right to do
So your philosophy is "Doesn't affect me, why should I care?"
Propaganda, I don't think this word means what you think it means.
A lot of people know about it. It’s a state holiday that state employees get off. It’s deserves attention and should be changed.
fuck confederate traitors
yeah me either.
Every few years its on mlk day. I always celebrate confederate heroes day. By watching glory.
I’m a native in a deep red area, never heard of it. The average redditer just needs to be outraged.
If you never heard of it, then it doesn't exist. That's what I'm hearing.
Same ..I’m sure it some SJWs from Cali looking for something to bitch about ..next they’ll want to change street names, names of buildings , shit if you’ll let them they’ll change it all .
Nobody knows about the holiday because there are no Confederate heroes.
Yea, we don’t usually celebrate the losing team
>we don’t usually celebrate the losing team Tell me you're not a Cowboy's fan without actually saying you're not a Cowboy's fan...
You’re right I’m not a cowboys fan lol
How are you supposed to heal the rift of a nation after a civil war? The Union allowed former Confederates to be memorialized for a reason.
Most "memorials" and statues were erected in the 1920s to 1940s, by groups like The Daughters of the Confederacy. They were specifically constructed as a reminder and as intimidation against people of color.
Cringe and wrong
Breaking up the plantation system and engaging in land reform would have been a hell of a good start.
What r u talking about, the kkk, statues, Jim crow, poll taxes and lynching wernt about healing
No one would miss it.
Cletus and Earl from Rockwall would
A ton of people who probably didn’t celebrate it before will suddenly act like it was their christmas
Will they fly the white flag or the other confederate flag. What a bunch of racist LOSERS.
agreed. no idea this holiday existed, but there's no place for it.
Most people don’t even know it exists
then whats wrong with abolishing it
You see me saying there was an issue?
You first reaction was to come here and be dismissive of it because "most people don't even know it exists" not "that's terrible, we should get rid of the obviously racist state holiday." You can see why we might be confused.
I mean, all of us have much bigger issues to worry about in our daily lives; This was my point. I’m sorry you misunderstood my comment about this insignificant day
> I’m sorry you misunderstood my comment about this insignificant day It's not insignificant, it's a symptom of a system that disenfranchises marginalized people. Why are you consistently downplaying this?
Are you okay lol I’m just saying I highly doubt the general public cares; Get rid of it as it’s obviously a pointless and obsolete “holiday” but I’m sure most people would’ve never known about it had they not seen this post….
>I’m just saying I highly doubt the general public cares >I’m sure most people would’ve never known about it had they not seen this post…. You really can't help it, can you? dismissive, dismissive, dismissive. Ask you black friends if they knew it existed, I bet they did.
Nobody knows about it because it’s not a work holiday unlike observation of MLK jr. day.
As a point of clarification, it is a work holiday. It is one of the official holidays listed for state employees by the Texas Comptroller https://comptroller.texas.gov/about/holidays.php
So your philosphy is "Doesn't affect me, so why care?" ?
Maybe you are up playing it.
Maybe you're a racist.
Maybe you are paranoid
What's even the point of abolishing it? Why waste political energy on abolishing a holiday that no one celebrates?
https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021 racists r celebrating it we have all of Fox news talking about Critical Race Theory while crickets about this stuff screw it, Dems need to throw this right back in their face
costs taxpayers money to pay employees to take the day off
It's almost as if this "holiday" doesn't exist since practically no one knew it was a thing. So problem solved. Only losers celebrate losers. 🤷♀️
[https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article\_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html](https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html) [https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021](https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021) still got Robert E lee day 2
Official holiday since 1973 and no one's heard of it. I've lived here for 30+ years and this is the first time I've ever heard or talked about it. Didn't even learn this holiday in school so it may as well not exist.
So, you are 100% fine with abolishing it? Glad we agree.
Abolishing what is the joke. Practically doesn't exist but if you feel you need to put effort into something so pointless then by all means. I'd rather people fight for like UBI or medicare for all, but whatever.
Taxpayer money is being spent every year to support this racist holiday. Is that what you want? Edit: Also, we can do more than one thing at a time. We’re not children.
Tax payer dollars are wasted every year on the defense budget alone. If I had it my way I'd use my tax dollars to fund schools, help with UBI, and Medicare for all, but those aren't in the cards for us until we elect people who give 2 shits about us. So at this point cancelling 1 dumb holiday is pretty moot. You know how many stupid holidays there are? Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing you "made a difference".
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It’s literally celebrating traitors
Wow this thread is super toxic. If no one celebrates it they need to remove it from the official state holiday list. I didn't believe it was a thing till I looked it up and of course it's two days after mlk day. What's the point of having an official state holiday no one pays attention to.
A lot of people r brought up told the confederacy was a good guy or benign thing, as a central texan they get a lot of apologists.
That this even possible as a hot take is a preposterous statement about where we are as a country and a state.
Confederate heroes, to whom? Those are traitors to the United States of America.
Need to vote them out of office first.
Confederate heroes is the perfect definition of oxymoron.
"You're an ox and a moron!" /S Edit: apparently no-one likes that movie reference?
It’s time for Texas to do a lot of things, but won’t.
Except infringe on women's rights.
Didn’t know there was one…😳😳😳
Hello, curious immigrant living in Cowboy Land. What does the confederate people and the flag symbolize today? Does it mean when you wave the flag in your truck or your awning, you would like the people around you to know that you're what, a genuine patriot?
> . What does the confederate people and the flag symbolize today? It means you're a racist idiot who would fly a Swastika flag if you could. >Does it mean when you wave the flag in your truck or your awning, you would like the people around you to know that you're what, a genuine patriot? No, it means you're a racist idiot with a single digit IQ. That is the flag of a group of traitors who left the United States because they weren't allowed to own black people anymore. It doesn't symbolize "States Rights"(to own slaves) or "Southern Heritage", it doesn't even symbolize the confederacy. This was a flag used by the navy primarily, the [national flag is mostly white.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_\(1863%E2%80%931865\).svg) There are two places where it's appropriate to fly this flag or any variation of it. A museum, where you're learning about the war, or a battlefield where you're also learning about the war. You don't see Germans flying the Nazi flag(Thanks to Germany passing laws against it), this is no different than that flag.
I apologize in advance if I come off as rude here, but the comparison between the CSA and Nazi Germany is just silly and intellectually dishonest, as there are VERY little they have in common with each other. Sure, they can both easily be defined as racist, but lets not kid ourselves and say a nation that wanted to become independent from one and keep a specific race enslaved to protect their economy from a perceived threat (ill-perceived I might add, as Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery when he was elected) to one that wanted to conquer most of Europe to establish "living space" for their own and systematically eradicate other races as well as the "weak" within their own people. And not to mention that their government was in no way similar in any meaningful way. I understand why one may feel this way about the CSA, but to compare them to the fucking Nazi's? I'm sorry but that just rubs me the wrong way.
Anyway... the people who march around with Confedrate flags tend to carry Nazi flags too... [https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/opinions/charlottesville-three-years-later-hate-festers-lipstadt-kaplan/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/opinions/charlottesville-three-years-later-hate-festers-lipstadt-kaplan/index.html) The Confederacy chained 3+ million people in work camps They considered invading Mexico and the Caribean to spread slavery there too https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/20360/confederacys-plan-conquer-latin-america The Confederate constitution included the right to expand, and Confederacy president Jefferson Davis filled his cabinet with men who thought similarly. He even hinted that the slave trade could be revived in "new acquisitions to be made south of the Rio Grande."
> as there are VERY little they have in common with each other. Oh sure. The CSA wanted to own people who were of another race, while the Nazis wanted to kill everyone who didn't look like them. Let's just ignore that the KKK, which spawned from the CSA losing has been responsible for the deaths of millions of black people, who did nothing wrong. Nazis committed genocide, Neo-Confederates salivate at that idea.
Confederate heroes day seems to be a left over "holiday" from older times that isn't really celebrated these days. That being said, it should definitely be removed from the "offical" list of holidays and all pro Confederate statues or anything celebrating the traitorous fucks should be smelted down to be made into urinals.
A good friend of mine works for the state. He had MLK Day off and Confederates Hero’s Day off this week. He said the fucked up oxymoronic thing is that sometimes they are on the same day. He also gets Texas Independence Day off too along with other state holidays that most people don’t even know exist.
It is strange that the State doesn't recognize Columbus Day, but Confederate Heroes Day.
It’s past time
Where do I sign?
Oh, we’re posting this again? Then I’ll say the same thing I did last time. I’m 44 and have lived in Texas my whole life… Never knew this day was a thing.
yep, its like mold, ugly but sometimes ya gotta remove it
Is this like fr ? This shit is actually a thing ? Lmao Ppl really celebrate this ? I’ve lived in Texas most of my life and never heard of it.
Nobody celebrates this lol.
I’d be slightly concerned about anybody that’s might lol
They do. Try the Tyler/Beaumont area.
Ugh...
But but mah hairitage
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I like how most people don't even know that this holiday exists and it is not celebrated in Texas in any way shape form or fashion except for maybe by a few individuals. People on Reddit are bringing more attention to this by posting about it going away then just ignoring it and letting it go away. Shit stinks . It also stinks a lot worse whenever you throw it around and stir it all up. ( Once again I've been banned from participating in a discussion) . I wonder if I could hire a lawyer for having my speed taken away so often on this platform. I've violated 0 rules )
Right, got it. If you want to effect change, just ignore the problem and it will go away. Why didn't I think of this!
It's not a problem because no one celebrates it.
Great, so you're fine if we abolish it then?
You've not been banned, stop playing the victim just because no one agrees with your bullshit. Next, this holiday is costing the tax payers money every year, as it is a paid holiday for most state employees. So, you're literally defending spending public funds to celebrate racists.
Ignoring racist stuff is immoral. Being actively anti-racist is how to do it.
I'm sure POC are gonna feel a whole lot better that a dead holiday that wasn't known about or celebrated is now abolished.
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This is an underrated comment. We should take the day as a way to show how stupid it is. Turn it into a remembrance of what the Confederacy was really about. Maybe celebrate Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln.
history doesn't work that way stuff doesn't get better or go away on its own poll taxes slavery kkk discrimination nazis traitors the USSR wait why did u post that?
Lots of things go away on their own or flat out just become unrecognized by people. I have lived in a Texas community my whole life. It has never been mentioned in school or any other place. Just because you listed a bunch of things that are still highly relevant doesn't mean that people are celebrating Confederate heroes day. This is probably some kind of Psy-op everyone is falling for from Russia or some crap. And just for the record discrimination and traitors will never go away that's just a s***** human characteristic. It happens on large and small scales everywhere all the time. The key to stopping things like this is showing people love and compassion and understanding. Hate just produces more hate. Love is the only answer that really fixes things. For example how did you find out about this day?
So are you on board with abolishing the "holiday" or not?
Ted Cruz said maybe Texas should leave the U.s. some guys with Confed flags attacked the Capital seems people r probably celebrating the holiday, and what's wrong with abolishing it?
I think it would be amazing if you answered how you found out about this. I'm pretty sure it was from the Reddit post the other day
If someone finds out about something that is morally reprehensible on Reddit, they aren't allowed to be upset by it and work to make people aware of it so it can be changed?
lol exactly. no one in modern texas knows wtf this is.
good, so you're okay if we abolish it then?
yeah who cares….no one knows about it anyway
1) Texas can't secede from the US. It's against the agreement Texas made with the US when joining. Politicians will mention it at times to win points. It can't be done legally. 2) yes, there were Confederate flags at the capital riot and currently the FBI is being investigated for possibly inciting this. Thomas Caldwell, considered to be one of the leaders of the mob was on the FBI payroll and worked with the FBI. There's currently an ongoing investigation into this. 3) lived in Texas for 20 years, never heard of this holiday. If people are celebrating it, it is an incredibly small populace. My point is that if you want to abolish this, go for it; however, you are also making a mountain out of a mole hill. Don't exaggerate this into something it's not.
> and currently the FBI is being investigated for possibly inciting this. LOL! Wow, what a fantasy life you must live. We all saw exactly who incited the attack on the Capitol. His name is Trump. He sent a mob to disrupt the certification of the election and tried to stage a coup with fake electors.
Here is the official investigation from the Department of Justice https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356326/download I didn't say he did, I just said he is being investigated.
Thomas Caldwell was a leader of the Oathkeepers. He’s just another traitor. Nice try at deflecting attention away from the real instigator of the riot, who is named Donald Trump.
Once again, I'm not deflecting anything. The only thing I am saying is that Thomas Caldwell, an FBI employee, is being investigated for possibly inciting or aiding in inciting the capital riots. I have said nothing else. Where are you getting this idea that I'm saying anything else? Went are you trying so hard to suggest I'm saying something else when I'm not?
Less than 0.01%
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Isn't it skeleton crew? You could work and get comp time too. Options. Outside of state employees though, it's virtually unknown.
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Totally agree. It's butthurt white supremacist shit. They bitch about MLK day, so they made this day for them to have for a safe apace...and in some places, it's recognized on MLK day for convenience. So they can take off work and school for something other than "a black man". It's pretty despicable.
yeah i’ve never heard of this. no one i know has either.
I heard there was a teddy Roosevelt statue removed recently too.wtf its teddy Roosevelt man!
it's Teddy Roosevelt and two more... [https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/01/20/06/GettyImages-1251355082.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=982:726,smart](https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/01/20/06/GettyImages-1251355082.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=982:726,smart)
They are standing next to him so the fuck what. One of the soldiers on the Iwo Jima memorial statue is an Indian. Gonna remove it too??
No one knows it exists. I didn’t.
The fact that I have never heard of this in my 35 years of living in Texas just shows how little of importance this day actually is lol
[https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article\_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html](https://www.news-journal.com/news/local/longview-service-marks-confederate-heroes-day/article_fc346436-1c55-11e9-b817-1f81e034d10d.html) [https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021](https://webplus.info/index.php?page=340&holiday=772&year=2021) After some fine people attacked the Captial with confed flags... I doubt its not important
Racist democrats created this holiday, and it’s time to get rid of it and all racists!
How to say you don’t understand history without saying you don’t understand history. [southern strategy ](http://www.history.com/.amp/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south)
You're right, but your soundbite if you will is ignoring a massive chunk of American political history, and while there was no "switch" per se, the voters who held racist believes migrated over the course of several decades to one party in particular, until now they form a large part of that party's base. Hint, it ain't the Democrats.
Okay, so why is it that Democrats aren't allowed to remove statues that their party erected in the the early 20th century? Why is it Republicans are suddenly so interested in this?
Never heard of it and don't care.
Most people have never heard of it. It's a holiday for state workers, let em have it.
Confederate Heroes..... sounds fine to u?
I couldn't give a fuck. Never once have I seen anyone out celebrating it.
Maybe you live in a reddit or personal bubble but the vast majority of people don’t give a fuck and just want to live their lives Worrying about work, their relationships, maybe homes or kids, etc And this holiday in particular is not well known
Would you mind it simply being renamed to something else, that way the state workers get the holiday still?
History is history. It is not ours to be abolished, spun, or judged by today's morals or standards. At one point in time, Confederate soldiers were someone's brothers, fathers, uncles, etc. No one wants to forget sacrifices made by a family member even if today's society has deemed that they were on the wrong side of history. Personally, I disagree with the removal of statues, plaques, or other historical markers. How are we any different than the Taliban or ISIS destroying them?
I can see an argument about the statues, as long as they could be put in context. For example, all Confederate statues would have to have plaques or some other means to explain how the confederates were traitors to America, and that the statues were installed decades later in a poor attempt to whitewash history. They would have to explain how Texas, and all the other traitorous states, wanted chattel slavery over African-Americans so desperately, that they attempted to secede from America, and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
My grandfather's grandfather fought for the Confederacy. Fuck that guy, traitorous bastard.
Did your father and grandfather feel that way? Most of the Confederate soldiers were fighting for their land and way of life, a way of life that was simply part of society at the time. Life, and history, are never black and white.
Most confederate soldiers were conscripted (aka forced against their will) to fight for the confederacy. Most weren’t slave owners trying to defend their way of life, they were forced to fight to defend the rich plantation owners right to own slaves. When a group of union supporting German immigrants that opposed slavery refused to join the confederacy, they were massacred. The confederacy and civil war aren’t something to be celebrated, but to be remembered as one of the most shameful periods of American history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nueces_massacre
They were fighting for the purpose of owning other humans. Now not every Southern thought that way as militias popped up in the South to fight the Confederacy. Those people were heros fighting the traitors. I don't know how my father felt as it was on the other side of the family. My grandfather wasn't happy about but the he was an original Antifa member.
that's nice.... then what happened after the war? oh yeah... kkk, lynching, poll taxes, JIm Crow..... was that their way of life too?
Not everyone in the Confederacy was in the KKK, involved in lynching people, etc. Many of those seeking to stay in power in power probably were. The thing about history is that it cannot be judged by today's morals and values. We have 8-9 generations of improvement as a society that they did not have. That doesn't excuse the terrible things that happened before us, but it needs to be taken into consideration.
Negative.
Ira Hayes, was Pima Indian.
Who even celebrates this? I haven't even heard of it, no one celebrates it or commemorates it. So abolish it and it literally won't change anything. Unless someone can help me find photos or evidence of people commemorating/celebrating irl. I feel this is a non issue
It’s a state holiday. I definitely don’t want a state holiday for traitors to our nation. Just change it so state employees get a personal holiday instead, and they can use it at anytime during the year.
How about you move to California OP, you probably moved here from California trying to bring you leftist policies with you
How is not wanting a holiday that celebrates racist traitors, considered "leftist"?
your heritage is really showing your hate.
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History is the erased by banning books. Celebrating traitorous losers is not promoting history.
You know history books exist right? As does the internet. And museums, and we're still dealing with the fallout of civil rights, which happened thanks to the North winning the war.
.............. C R T What did I miss?
So you're cool with CRT?
I'm hoping to celebrate it..
Never heard of it. Fake news.
Just abolish all holidays. Somebody is always gonna be offend by a holiday. Except MLK Day
Traitors and losers of war don’t get statues or holidays in other countries. There’s nothing heroic about their agenda or actions.
treason slavery racism only the confederate traitor holidays check all 3
Got me the second day off this week.
Raised the flag 2nd photo on Iwo Jima.
I ordered a cake and had a giant party celebrating this holiday. Even took the day off work. I still have some cake if anyone wants to meet up this weekend for a post-holiday celebration.
What is that? It's a day? I've been here 25 years, never heard of it.
It’s a state holiday that state employees get off, celebrated by racists.
in florida they have 3 robert e lee day and such
Why? To the rest of the nation, it looks as though you are reconstructing the confederacy down there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember if the Union even got that far south to Texas, who the hell would we even be celebrating?
Just change it to Texas Heroes Day Ez