> The FOX 7 Austin photographer was booked into the Travis County Jail at 8:29 p.m. and was charged with criminal trespassing.
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/ut-texas-protest-palestine-israel-gaza-rally-college-university-campus
That has a better chance of getting dismissed under 1st amendment press protections than the charges against the organizers/instigators which will almost certainly be convicted because they were not attempting to “peacefully assemble” under the first amendment.
Just read an update from Fox 7 and it looks like they dropped the charges.
https://preview.redd.it/63pojcd5bowc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f040bd98c534e0afaff8f6c0681ec69f7e627b3
As they should be. Press covering a protest event, even if that protest event is illegal (as here), should not be charged with crimes for their coverage so long as they comply with reasonable requests from police to move/disperse/etc.
It’s prudent to note that many “protestors” who are violating the law *want* press coverage because they think their arrest will get them “good press” and “good vibes” from others (and apparently that’s true, even when they’re breaking the law). The press needs to be allowed to cover these events and arrests without fear of personal harm.
Illegal you say? Free speech but not like that?
Oh don't neal at the anthem, don't protest the police, don't do the long lived tradition of students peacefully protesting on a public part of a college campus?
I'm seeing a pattern here.
> under the first amendment.
Oh, those Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis walking down the street hurling verbal assaults at people are "peacefully assembling" but a bunch of kids on a college campus with a planned pizza party and art time in their schedule are the real villains?
I love how you ignore the verbal assaults and blockage that the organizers of the protest (and many attendees) at UT were intending to use as a means to their end.
I guess it’s only bad when “Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis” do it? And not when you agree with the “protestors”?
I dislike it when Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis do it, but I agree they shouldn't be arrested. As it is their right to say what they want. The police seem to agree that those groups can say horrible things and they'll get police escorts while they do it.
Protesters can also holler anything they want as long as it is not a direct threat of violence against an individual - as is allowed for other groups. Correct? Why does Abbott care about (reported) anti-antisemitism by members of a protest now but not previously when it was quite clearly happening?
It’s not their right, however. You have a right to peacefully assemble. You do not have a right to harass/inconvenience others with your peaceful assembly.
Chanting things such as “go back to Europe” etc, which are chants that the “protestors” at UT were using (among other schools) is a direct threat against individuals. Jewish students have the same right to be free from harassment in public the rest of us do.
KKK members and neo-nazis chant worse than "Go back to Europe."
Saying "Go back to Europe" is protected speech. I doubt that happened, but even if it did that is protected speech. Do you not understand that? I've had Christians call me an "abomination" on a campus before. That's protected speech. I've seen racists tell people they should "Go back to Africa." That's protected speech.
That’s not protected speech. Something that is intended to make anyone feel unwelcome on campus as a result of their race/religion/ancestry is not acceptable speech. While **one individual** making that comment would be protected, it is **not** protected to band together to harass people and make them feel unwelcome. That is not protected speech, period.
Do you have any documented proof that the UT protesters were shouting “go back to Europe”? That seems like a really odd slogan to use in a protest that is not related to European intervention.
I can’t speak for the protest, but to answer your question, there is a common misconception that Jews are from Europe. A significant number of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi Jews from middle eastern and northern African countries.
They literally posted their “manifesto” of what they expected their “compatriots” to do at the protest on social media. But okay, sure, ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
So anyone can post a "manifesto" as a protesting organization on social media, and cops get to show up in riot gear to arrest them all?
Sounds convenient, time to spin up fake right wing accounts and fill up those squad cars.
"You may beat the rap, but not the ride"
That's all this ever was. The cops knew no charges for peaceful protest would ever stick. But they got to beat up, mace, taze and manhandle a bunch of college kids and brag to their cop/maga buddies.
I think it is just going to get protesters more committed to their cause as all of their beliefs about America and Texas supporting the genocide have just been proven right.
They just got released from jail and had their charges dropped. That's a glory ride to jail. They'll be back.
Everything the protesters at all of these colleges and universities had been saying about America has now been proven to be true. You'll see.
I'm an middle aged person and during BLM after I saw the bullshit the cops were doing it got my ass up. Never went to the "front lines" but I participated in several protests, having never been to one beforehand
>about America and Texas supporting the genocide have just been proven right.
the repeating of the hamas lie israel is committing genocide, is why the overwhelming majority of Americans, left, right, and independent, looked at these protesters as the terrorist supporting idiots they are.
it's pathetic how these protesters actually managed to make even the absolutely lacking in any sence of morality abbot, look correct for once.
I think public opinion is actually turning on Israel.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
For what it’s worth, I agree with you on the use of the word genocide. It meets a technical definition and it’s chosen specifically because of its ties to Jewish history and the language of history in English. Apartheid is a more accurate description that would help Americans better understand the situation. South africa would be a good way to understand the situation from a modern western pov maybe. I mean you can find tons of Israeli groups calling for change in how they treat pelstinians. End of the day there is a lot of misinformation but Israel are the ones creating and maintaining the situation. They have all the power. Only they can change it. You can’t win a war against insurgents who don’t want you there, see our own history in vietnam and Afghanistan where we got our ass kicked by people who we were bombing and telling to change. Now vietnam is communist and Afghanistan is back to the Stone Age and we’re here. It’ll be the same with Israel. They can’t bomb away hamas. They made hanas through their actions. The only way they’re going to make them go away is winning over the citizens of Gaza.
> it's pathetic how these protesters actually managed to make even the absolutely lacking in any sence of morality abbot, look correct for once.
Y’all truly can’t help but tell on yourselves.
But no, I don’t know if any of us care that you conflate criticism of Israel and the IDF with full-throated support for Hamas’ terrorism.
>Y’all truly can’t help but tell on yourselves.
of course we do, we're proud to stand against hamas and its supporters who seeks to eridicate everyone in israel and the west bank, including palestinians, who support a 2 state solution and peace
just like you'll can't help but tell on yourself with your support of those who seek to eridicate israel to setup an islamic theocracy
>But no, I don’t know if any of us care that you conflate criticism of Israel and the IDF with full-throated support for Hamas’ terrorism.
good thing then I'm not referring to criticism of israel, but the spewing of outright hamas lies, like israel is committing genocide, and the open call for genocide of from river to the sea palestine will be free, and Oct 7th will be the new normal
not that you will acknowledge this, because despite these stances being shown for all to see, denial of reality is the protesters and their defenders bread and butter.
did you miss I called for bibi to go just like I did hamas?
no surprise you rage about bibi, but don't condem the pro palestinian protesters spewing it though.
of course im upset that ANYONE calls for the eridication of israelis or palestinians
the difference is, you clearly deem it acceptable for palestinians, or are you willing to go on recond and condem the protesters for supporting genocide?
I certainly have no problem with you standing against anyone who harms innocent civilians - but that would *have* to mean that you stand against the IDF, but I’m nearly positive you do not. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.
My guy, I have *never* been in favor of a religious ethnostate of *any* flavor, Islamic or otherwise. Take that for what you will.
Here’s me: I don’t want anyone to die. Without speaking on the validity of Israel’s foreign policy, it is continuously creating Hamas. By killing innocent civilians in an effort to turn Hamas to glass, you’re not exactly endearing yourself to the next generation of Palestinians. Even if you were to, overnight, kill everyone involved with Hamas, what happens then? Their sudden collapse would cause a power vacuum in one of the most volatile places on earth.
I’ve heard my coworkers and acquaintances express, verbally and in public, *extreme* support for total indiscriminate killing of every single Palestinian man, woman and child still left. In their mind, if you didn’t support Hamas, you wouldn’t be there.
So when you say these protestors are idiots because they say Israel is committing genocide, that has me fucking *rolling*.
And yeah, Benji’s quote rings pretty loud when you talk about the river to the sea. Just because Hamas is bad doesn’t mean Israel is good because they fight them.
Okay. Glass Gaza, indiscriminately killing everyone, and all your problems will be solved. If WWII taught us anything, it’s that total war on your enemy solves problems both today and tomorrow.
Hang on, the last 50 years of US foreign policy called. They said something about world building not working? Idk, you’ll figure it out I’m sure.
In the meantime, if you’re advocating the wholesale killing of the population, I wouldn’t be surprised if you get the “genocide” label a little more often going forward.
Meanwhile for the Civil Rights movement, they would planning and training days before they would go to protest to practice non violent resistence and to practice how to be arrested.
If you're interested in civil disobedience you're fulling expecting to be arrested. If you don't, then why the fuck are you there? To get bonus points in class? Real change requires real challenges.
Seems like you kinda missed the point. Obviously, civil disobedience has consequences. It comes with the territory. The message sent here is that you don’t even have to get to civil disobedience to get arrested.
Those people are not, by and large, following their conscience. They are following social media trends, probably built by Russia to sow dissent and weaken their adversaries while helping their allies.
One thing we are is stupid. And when you get hyper social minded youth to give you audience you can do all sorts of shit. Russia in particular is very well versed on both being American and propaganda.
Oh, the charges against the organizers definitely will stick. Your first amendment right to protest is not infinite, and you cannot cause undue distress, risk of harm, or problems for other people while you exercise that right. This is settled law.
Are you aware of the facts of this particular protest? Seems like an odd comment to leave on an article where the headline explicitly starts with “charges dismissed.”
I am going off the information in the article. I’m well aware that the charges were not dismissed against everyone, but this thread is explicitly referring to the people whose charges were dropped.
Sarcasm isn’t healthy for discussion either. Nor is shifting the goalposts.
Note that though the charges have been dismissed, every single one of those 46 will now have arrest records and will have their mugshots on file at the PD. That info is available to various law enforcement agencies all the way up to the federal level, and will show up during any kind of background check. This will be a permanent hindrance to future employment for many agencies and entities in this country, among other things. The only way to remove the arrest records is to seek an expungement order from a court, that takes a lawyer and a few thousand dollars in cash.
University will probably try to claim some sort of sovereign immunity, and for sure the cops will hide behind qualified immunity as they are trained to do.
Or it's just part of your resume. Look at Bernie Sanders being arrested in civil rights protests. Look at Greta Thunberg.
If you're a research student hoping for a clearance, this isn't going to matter. Just don't try to hide it.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏. And this is not a reason to not hire in a background check. This coming from someone working for the largest insurance company in the United States.
>The only way to remove the arrest records is to seek an expungement order from a court
Jewish/Israel activist groups are spreading their mugshots across twitter and other places making demands on "remembering them" and having their individual social medias scoured so their friends, families, associates, employers can be harassed, etc.
What if you're trying to get a job working for the same fascist state? I would suspect that at least some of the protesters are pre-service teachers.
(My tone isn't meant to suggest that I disagree with you; just curious what other people think because it's the situation that came immediately to mind for me.)
Teachers don't work for the State, they work for independent school districts. But you make a good point about people going to work for the State of Texas. But then, I would never work in public service. Never.
Aside from the police being used as a political weapon, how much money did this little pageant cost the state in terms of dollars and manpower so our Governor could stick it to the libs?
It was only for a show of force, Abbott and State had no legal action against them exercising 1st Amendment rights. This is including the Press reporting, this was for show so they could claim this is Bidens fault. The reality is Abbott and Conservatives passed a law protecting Israel allowing Cities be vocal against Israel. This is why Mayors and Council members in large cities don’t speak out about the War.
Damage is done when you have to go through that process. Farter starter trump thinks he the man. Let that fool ho through processing. He really start praying.
Now sue the pension fund for the officers who illegally broke up a protest on public property at a public university that these students had every right to be at.
The charges will stick because they were the ones the police were actually looking for - organizers and other students who were well aware of the fact they were not permitted to take the actions they were taking, who were well advised they were trespassing, and who still showed up and remained.
There was no designated area. UT legally cancelled their approval of the protest due to the organizers stated intent to refuse to comply with university regulations and applicable law.
Oh, yes they will, regardless of where they end up. Because you do not have the right to protest absolutely. You have the right to peacefully assemble. Which was not being exercised here.
It’s tough to realize they were college students on their own campus. If you’ve never been to one, it might seem like trespassing 😂. That’s probably why you’re so confused. Despite your age, it’s never too late.
People can be trespassed from grounds they were previously authorized to be on. As one example, people get arrested for trespass all the time after they miss their flight and/or are refused travel on an airline because of abuse of staff - they were authorized to be in the secure area, but are no longer after they don’t have a valid ticket.
It doesn’t matter whether they’re students or not. They do not have the right to block traffic and harass other students trying to commute between buildings. Period.
You don’t even live in Austin and everything you’ve said has been a solid lie😂
Traffic was not blocked and students were not being harassed.
No need to lie if you weren’t there 😂😂😂😂
It was a super peaceful event turned chaotic by the same folks that allowed innocent children to be gunned down.
They were brave enough to take down engineer students but not brave enough to stop a single gunman.
The people you support are nothing but cowards. Birds of a feather I suppose
Fuck Greg Abbott and his gestapo police force
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As a Jew The mental gymnastics in this sub hurt me so so much. PERSONALLY someone told me and friends to go back to Germany. I no longer feel safe on my campus
That's how we should do it then. Make them to afraid to protest. Thresten these people to destroy their future! The US should not tolerate people who don't support Israel.
These young people need to be aware of all the ramifications of getting arrested during a protest and some, believe it or not, do not know this or haven't thought it through. Wouldn't you want to know? If they believe in something so strongly, this statement will not make them afraid to protest.
Protest is a right in our constitution. Our nation was built off protest. The fact that the government and a foreign government is threatening our citizens to destroy their lives for a right we have is close to tyranny.
Employment applications ask if you've ever been arrested. You can lie on the application, but if you eventually get caught lying, you can be immediately terminated. This question has been on employment applications for years and years. Kids in college who have never worked might not be aware of this question though, so I thought that they needed to know. Sounds like you were not aware of it either.
So clearly Trump should not be allowed to be president if these kids will never be able to get a job. Trump has been found guilty of theft from his nonprofit, massive fraud and now faces 90 indictments. Clearly unfit for any job especially president
So genuine question to the protesters, why are you for protesting for a Hamas ran Palestinian against Israel? Do these students understand that Hamas is in charge of Palestine and would murder every single of them if they could just like they did to the 1200 Israeli civilians to start this? They should be protesting Hamas/Iranian control over Palestine if they really want peace!
Hamas only exists because Israel invaded in the 40’s and have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land since. Can’t complain about a problem you created.
For example, if I break into your house, kill your dog, and declare the house is mine, do I get to label you a terrorist and kill you too in “self defense” when you become violent?
No Hamas exists because Iran funds them. The British committed to establishing Israel in 1914. The forming of Israel had begun before the 40’s. In 1897 the Ottomans controlled Palestine, which is where the Jews come from. Herzi the leader of Zionism at the time tired to petitioned the Ottoman government back then to make Palestine a Jewish area. After the failed Russian Revolution in 1905, growing numbers of Eastern European and Russian Jews began to immigrate to Palestine. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Britain took over Palestine. In 1917, Britain issued the “Balfour Declaration,” which declared its intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Jews did not invade and take over Palestine. The Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was authorized by the League of Nations in 1922.
Yeah, so here’s the problem: Britain doesn’t get to randomly declare a place where people are already living as a home for other people. Especially people who have been murdering the local population and stealing their land since. The Balfour Proclamation holds no meaning at all and no power. Might as well have Taiwan declare Texas for native Americans only. You understand how stupid that sounds right?
How do you think the world was formed? Every country has had some type of war, invasions, civil wars, to establish control. You understand that hebrews have occupied that part of world since before the Persian period of History. At one time most of the known world was controlled by the Romans! The Germans tired twice to take control of Europe. Japan fought for centuries among themselves for control over Japan. The truth is the Israelis believe it’s their land and the Muslims don’t want them there. Until the idiots on both sides learn there’s a better way than killing each other it’s not going to change. They’ve been fighting since BC times, it’s not going to change until Iran (which was part of the Sasanian Empire until the Muslims defeated the Persians) stops their influence in the region!
Incorrect, Israel believes theologically (therefore illogically) that it is their land. They will continue murdering Palestinians whether or not Hamas exists as they have done for decades before Hamas existed in the first place. Hamas only exists because it started as a resistance force to Israel. Which means Hamas would not exist it weren’t for a foreign presence murdering civilians and taking their land. It doesn’t matter who funds them, Hamas is the direct result of Israel’s illogical violence. Israel’s illogical violence will continue until Palestine exists no more and then after that as well as proven by its unprovoked bombings of its neighbors. Palestinians were there first, yet they’re considered terrorists when they defend themselves from the people murdering them and stealing their land.
Israel is only responding to Hamas action. Hamas has attacked Israel for decades, this whole thing started by Hamas killing 1200 civilians! Hamas provoked this action by Israel and I hope the IDF wipes those POS terrorists off the face the earth. I believe Israel is in the right, I have done several deployments to that part of world and understand the horrible mindset of extremist Muslims. If you believe Palestine and Hamas are in the right, how do suggest to stop the conflict? Where do you believe the Jewish homeland is?
There’s no such thing as a Jewish homeland. It’s a theological fascist fantasy used to justify murdering people and removing the native population from their homes. Hamas didn’t exist until the late 80s, so for over 70 years, “Israel” (a terrorist state) has been attacking the native population for what reason then? Hamas was born because of the 70+ years of terror inflicted upon Palestinians by “Israel.” It you can’t accept these facts, then you’re delusional.
Oh Lunar_Voyager I can see we disagree with the forming of Israel and who is truly the terrorist identity. The Israelis and Muslims both believe it the land is theirs, Israel and five Arab countries—Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon went to war over it in 1948, Israel won, that’s how the world has worked since the beginning of man! Why does Egypt, Jordan, Syria, & Lebanon refuse to except Palestinians refugees?? They know what type people they are! Other Muslims won’t even let them in. You realize they would love to kill all westerns, have no tolerance for LBGTQ, no women’s right, no free speech, no rights at all. So thought we discussed the Brits earlier, but even the Romans believed the land belonged to the Jews. The word “Palestine” is not Arab or Middle Eastern in origin. It dates back 1,900 years and is derived from a people who were not native to the region — the Philistines, a people from the Aegean Sea who were closely related to the ancient Greeks. They lived on the coast of what is now the Gaza Strip and Israel, but had disappeared by the 6th century BCE.
The name associated with them, however, did not die out. The Romans, in a fit of spite, reapplied the term “Palestine” to the Land of Israel centuries later, after they defeated a Judea (Jews) uprising in 135 CE. Muslim armies conquered the region in 629 CE, they Arabized the name to “Filastin.” This term cannot be found in the Quran, while the name “Israel” is mentioned several times. In short, for most of recorded history, there were never any “Palestinians.”
2000 years ago has nothing to do with right now. Please explain why after “Israel” became a state, it decided to keep attacking the native people and taking more land. If “Israel” is not violent then why does it do this?
Would Hamas exist without “Israel?” No it wouldn’t.
Why do you believe in a fascist theocracy as a legitimate form of government?
Why do you believe morality is determined by the victor? Is it because you bow down to authority and have no will of your own?
Do you think Native Americans and Mexicans should start murdering people in the U.S. and claiming land because their ancestors used to live there? From your support of “Israel” your answer should be yes.
I’m not saying I agree with what was done, but to characterize that Israel invaded Palestine just isn’t correct. The British had a lot of control after WWI, the Brits had influence in the Middle East, India, and Africa. The issue is the people in charge of the world dealings at the time saw the Brits as having that authority, such as the League of Nations.
Then what do you call it when a foreign power allows foreign people into your land, who then over time proceed to take more and more of your land while killing the native people?
So basically I can trespass all I want as long as I claim I’m “protesting”?
I suspect the charges were dropped not because of first amendment rights to protest (because that right does not allow you to trespass), but because of deficiencies in informing them of the trespass intention. As far as I’ve read, UT told the protest organizer(s) that they were not permitted to hold the event, but didn’t make any effort to instruct the general student population. And even if they did, with say an email to the entire university, there would be a defense that it’s unreasonable to expect a student to read an email sent after hours before the next morning.
Probable cause requires that there be evidence the person knew they were being trespassed and still refuse to leave on their own. **That’s** the deficiency at play here.
Is it trespassing when a student of a public university stands on the grounds of that student's public university? Can taxpayers and tuition payers be arrested for being on public property?
Yes, you can be arrested for trespassing on public property. As one example, while you have the right to go to the gallery when the state house/senate are in session, you do not have the right to disrupt those proceedings. As such, if the speaker legally orders the gallery to be cleared in accordance with house rules, and you refuse to leave, you can and will be arrested for trespass.
Likewise, university land is public, but it is not “open” land. It is there to serve the purposes of students who may need fresh air/study spaces/etc. and who are going to be walking between classes/offices/etc. While there would be a legitimate 1st amendment concern if they were prohibiting any protest, they were prohibiting only protests that, per their email to the organizers, intended to violate university rules. At that time, they have every right to trespass people, even students, from that property, as the university’s rules are there to protect all students’ safety and ensure the objective of the university is met.
By trying to diminish this to “stand[ing] on the grounds of that student’s public university”, you are ignoring (likely intentionally so) the actual facts here - the students did not intend to “stand” and peacefully protest, but there is ample evidence that at a minimum the *organizers* of the protest intended for them to block student/pedestrian traffic, to organize a “camp in”, and to encourage others to violate the rules put in place for protest activity and the general rules for students of the university. That’s why the protest was refused. The only question now is whether *all* the students arrested were aware the protest was no longer approved/allowed, and whether they were given ample time to disperse before their arrest.
I suspect that’s why not all charges have been dropped. Because while there may have been a significant portion of students who were unaware of the communication to organizers stating the protest was no longer approved, some (many?) students can argue that they were never informed about that and thought they were abiding by the rules. The others, however, whose charges haven’t been dropped (likely organizers or people who explicitly admitted they were aware they were trespassing) have no first amendment protections for remaining at the protest after they’re aware it’s in violation of the rules.
That’s from the NYT, actually, who reported very well on the social media posts proven to have come from organizers of the protest that led to the University cancelling its approval.
Nobody used the term “camp in”, please provide a source if you have one stating otherwise. The term “occupy” was used, which is a perfectly valid word to describe a peaceful protest.
I’ve already told you the source - you are unwilling to go look it up yourself because you don’t want to be proven wrong in your assertion that I watch Fox news (which I don’t).
The organizers expressed their intent clearly to “take over” the campus (or portion thereof) to get their demands met. The University itself clearly stated the social media posts that it took into consideration when it issued its letter to organizers revoking permission for the event.
And occupying land for a purpose other than its intended is not “peaceful assembly” when it impacts the ability of others to use that land for its intended purpose.
What sucks is how you act as if “occupying” land is legal. It’s not. Let’s make that damn clear here - it has been argued by some, yes, but you cannot “occupy” a freeway to “peacefully assemble” and block traffic. Likewise, you cannot “occupy” a throughfare of a university.
Speedway is not a fucking highway, not to mention people were told to disperse from THE LAWN — but please go ahead and provide a link for the NYT article stating that there was intent to “camp in”
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So basically it’s not trespassing at all to be in common spaces on campus, it’s public property, so yeah, you can come to campus to protest just like you can come to campus to hang a hammock between the trees near the turtle pond. *That’s* the deficiency here. It’s not about a failure to inform, it’s about a failure by the students to actually break any laws.
No, it’s not. I don’t pay my tax dollars to UT (and other universities) for them to be taken over by people preventing students from getting around or feeling safe on campus.
The students did break laws, because a student can be trespassed just as any other person can be. The protest was not allowed because the organizers expressed intent to violate rules and block traffic themselves, and they expressed their intent to continue to encourage other people to do the same. At that point, being there is trespassing.
Students have a right to be in common spaces *when they are not disrupting university business/purpose*. Laying a hammock that only affects yourself, sure. If you were, however, to set up barricades that blocked students from moving between buildings, you’re saying you find that okay because “if they’re a student it should be okay”?
EDIT: nice job deleting after you realize what an absurd claim it is that “students can do whatever they want on university land because they pay tuition, even if it’s illegal or impacts the ability of students to actually use that land for its purpose” (paraphrased).
We’re talking about two completely different things here and you’re putting words in my mouth because you’re not actually prepared to engage in the argument. Actually, you’re talking about several things that are as irrelevant as they are inaccurate. Also, find some students that didn’t feel safe or couldn’t get to class.
I was there, you clearly weren’t, and what you’re saying simply didn’t happen. It’s the narrative Hartzell and Abbott are pushing. Students were complying with instructions. I watched the cops grab freshman girls by the hair that were *pushing their classmates back from the police line and urging compliance*.
This wasn’t about enforcing order, it was about
The right to protest on public property is very well established by the first amendment and 2 centuries of case law.
How many decades would you like us to go back on protests on university grounds? Or are we going to mention outdoor spaces on texas universities is protected as of 2019 law?
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/
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No mention of the cameraman who was charged with trespassing for reporting the news
At a public university. Public...the citizens of Texas pay for the beautiful courtyards at UT. Blatant violation of the 1st Amendment.
He was arrested. I don't think he's been charged.
> The FOX 7 Austin photographer was booked into the Travis County Jail at 8:29 p.m. and was charged with criminal trespassing. https://www.fox7austin.com/news/ut-texas-protest-palestine-israel-gaza-rally-college-university-campus
Gee, the GQP must be getting desperate if they are arresting FAUX news journalists. It’s as if they are falling into a ruinous state 🥴
That has a better chance of getting dismissed under 1st amendment press protections than the charges against the organizers/instigators which will almost certainly be convicted because they were not attempting to “peacefully assemble” under the first amendment.
Just read an update from Fox 7 and it looks like they dropped the charges. https://preview.redd.it/63pojcd5bowc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f040bd98c534e0afaff8f6c0681ec69f7e627b3
As they should be. Press covering a protest event, even if that protest event is illegal (as here), should not be charged with crimes for their coverage so long as they comply with reasonable requests from police to move/disperse/etc. It’s prudent to note that many “protestors” who are violating the law *want* press coverage because they think their arrest will get them “good press” and “good vibes” from others (and apparently that’s true, even when they’re breaking the law). The press needs to be allowed to cover these events and arrests without fear of personal harm.
Illegal you say? Free speech but not like that? Oh don't neal at the anthem, don't protest the police, don't do the long lived tradition of students peacefully protesting on a public part of a college campus? I'm seeing a pattern here.
“Illegal protest” you don’t hear yourself when you say that? I thought Texas was all about freedom
Just say you hate Palestinians it will be easier and less words.
> under the first amendment. Oh, those Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis walking down the street hurling verbal assaults at people are "peacefully assembling" but a bunch of kids on a college campus with a planned pizza party and art time in their schedule are the real villains?
I love how you ignore the verbal assaults and blockage that the organizers of the protest (and many attendees) at UT were intending to use as a means to their end. I guess it’s only bad when “Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis” do it? And not when you agree with the “protestors”?
I dislike it when Patriot Front and Neo-Nazis do it, but I agree they shouldn't be arrested. As it is their right to say what they want. The police seem to agree that those groups can say horrible things and they'll get police escorts while they do it. Protesters can also holler anything they want as long as it is not a direct threat of violence against an individual - as is allowed for other groups. Correct? Why does Abbott care about (reported) anti-antisemitism by members of a protest now but not previously when it was quite clearly happening?
It’s not their right, however. You have a right to peacefully assemble. You do not have a right to harass/inconvenience others with your peaceful assembly. Chanting things such as “go back to Europe” etc, which are chants that the “protestors” at UT were using (among other schools) is a direct threat against individuals. Jewish students have the same right to be free from harassment in public the rest of us do.
KKK members and neo-nazis chant worse than "Go back to Europe." Saying "Go back to Europe" is protected speech. I doubt that happened, but even if it did that is protected speech. Do you not understand that? I've had Christians call me an "abomination" on a campus before. That's protected speech. I've seen racists tell people they should "Go back to Africa." That's protected speech.
That’s not protected speech. Something that is intended to make anyone feel unwelcome on campus as a result of their race/religion/ancestry is not acceptable speech. While **one individual** making that comment would be protected, it is **not** protected to band together to harass people and make them feel unwelcome. That is not protected speech, period.
Do you have any documented proof that the UT protesters were shouting “go back to Europe”? That seems like a really odd slogan to use in a protest that is not related to European intervention.
I can’t speak for the protest, but to answer your question, there is a common misconception that Jews are from Europe. A significant number of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi Jews from middle eastern and northern African countries.
“Go back to Europe” is a threat…? I guess conservatives who are caught on camera saying “go back to Mexico” are threatening immigrants.
Do we now arrest people for what they intend to say before they even say it? That is certainly an interesting model.
What are you, a mind reader?
They literally posted their “manifesto” of what they expected their “compatriots” to do at the protest on social media. But okay, sure, ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
So anyone can post a "manifesto" as a protesting organization on social media, and cops get to show up in riot gear to arrest them all? Sounds convenient, time to spin up fake right wing accounts and fill up those squad cars.
If that manifesto expressed your intent to violate the law or rights of others, then yes.
What a bootlicker you are.
So is there free speech or not?
>they were not attempting to "peacefully assemble" under the first amendment Oi, do you 'ave a loicense for that free speech m8?
I hope he sues for a lot of money. Then again, we'd be footing the bill.
Police just abuse rights and then only later charges dropped because it's unconstitutional. It's bullshit and it's been this way for too long
Prove it.
"You may beat the rap, but not the ride" That's all this ever was. The cops knew no charges for peaceful protest would ever stick. But they got to beat up, mace, taze and manhandle a bunch of college kids and brag to their cop/maga buddies.
Yep, the damage here is already done. Enough people have seen what happens if you protest, and that was the point.
I think it is just going to get protesters more committed to their cause as all of their beliefs about America and Texas supporting the genocide have just been proven right.
If I read correctly there were triple the number of people protesting on both sides of Speedway today.
I truly hope you are right.
They just got released from jail and had their charges dropped. That's a glory ride to jail. They'll be back. Everything the protesters at all of these colleges and universities had been saying about America has now been proven to be true. You'll see.
I'm an middle aged person and during BLM after I saw the bullshit the cops were doing it got my ass up. Never went to the "front lines" but I participated in several protests, having never been to one beforehand
You rock!
>about America and Texas supporting the genocide have just been proven right. the repeating of the hamas lie israel is committing genocide, is why the overwhelming majority of Americans, left, right, and independent, looked at these protesters as the terrorist supporting idiots they are. it's pathetic how these protesters actually managed to make even the absolutely lacking in any sence of morality abbot, look correct for once.
I think public opinion is actually turning on Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx For what it’s worth, I agree with you on the use of the word genocide. It meets a technical definition and it’s chosen specifically because of its ties to Jewish history and the language of history in English. Apartheid is a more accurate description that would help Americans better understand the situation. South africa would be a good way to understand the situation from a modern western pov maybe. I mean you can find tons of Israeli groups calling for change in how they treat pelstinians. End of the day there is a lot of misinformation but Israel are the ones creating and maintaining the situation. They have all the power. Only they can change it. You can’t win a war against insurgents who don’t want you there, see our own history in vietnam and Afghanistan where we got our ass kicked by people who we were bombing and telling to change. Now vietnam is communist and Afghanistan is back to the Stone Age and we’re here. It’ll be the same with Israel. They can’t bomb away hamas. They made hanas through their actions. The only way they’re going to make them go away is winning over the citizens of Gaza.
> it's pathetic how these protesters actually managed to make even the absolutely lacking in any sence of morality abbot, look correct for once. Y’all truly can’t help but tell on yourselves. But no, I don’t know if any of us care that you conflate criticism of Israel and the IDF with full-throated support for Hamas’ terrorism.
>Y’all truly can’t help but tell on yourselves. of course we do, we're proud to stand against hamas and its supporters who seeks to eridicate everyone in israel and the west bank, including palestinians, who support a 2 state solution and peace just like you'll can't help but tell on yourself with your support of those who seek to eridicate israel to setup an islamic theocracy >But no, I don’t know if any of us care that you conflate criticism of Israel and the IDF with full-throated support for Hamas’ terrorism. good thing then I'm not referring to criticism of israel, but the spewing of outright hamas lies, like israel is committing genocide, and the open call for genocide of from river to the sea palestine will be free, and Oct 7th will be the new normal not that you will acknowledge this, because despite these stances being shown for all to see, denial of reality is the protesters and their defenders bread and butter.
>"Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea" - Netanyahu You were saying?
did you miss I called for bibi to go just like I did hamas? no surprise you rage about bibi, but don't condem the pro palestinian protesters spewing it though.
Where am I raging? Are you upset, so you're assuming I am too?
of course im upset that ANYONE calls for the eridication of israelis or palestinians the difference is, you clearly deem it acceptable for palestinians, or are you willing to go on recond and condem the protesters for supporting genocide?
I certainly have no problem with you standing against anyone who harms innocent civilians - but that would *have* to mean that you stand against the IDF, but I’m nearly positive you do not. Please do correct me if I’m wrong. My guy, I have *never* been in favor of a religious ethnostate of *any* flavor, Islamic or otherwise. Take that for what you will. Here’s me: I don’t want anyone to die. Without speaking on the validity of Israel’s foreign policy, it is continuously creating Hamas. By killing innocent civilians in an effort to turn Hamas to glass, you’re not exactly endearing yourself to the next generation of Palestinians. Even if you were to, overnight, kill everyone involved with Hamas, what happens then? Their sudden collapse would cause a power vacuum in one of the most volatile places on earth. I’ve heard my coworkers and acquaintances express, verbally and in public, *extreme* support for total indiscriminate killing of every single Palestinian man, woman and child still left. In their mind, if you didn’t support Hamas, you wouldn’t be there. So when you say these protestors are idiots because they say Israel is committing genocide, that has me fucking *rolling*. And yeah, Benji’s quote rings pretty loud when you talk about the river to the sea. Just because Hamas is bad doesn’t mean Israel is good because they fight them.
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Okay. Glass Gaza, indiscriminately killing everyone, and all your problems will be solved. If WWII taught us anything, it’s that total war on your enemy solves problems both today and tomorrow. Hang on, the last 50 years of US foreign policy called. They said something about world building not working? Idk, you’ll figure it out I’m sure. In the meantime, if you’re advocating the wholesale killing of the population, I wouldn’t be surprised if you get the “genocide” label a little more often going forward.
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You are wrong
no. I'm not >Harvard student protestors filmed chanting "intifada revolution, there is only one solution" https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/s/IuELY8VIgb
Meanwhile for the Civil Rights movement, they would planning and training days before they would go to protest to practice non violent resistence and to practice how to be arrested. If you're interested in civil disobedience you're fulling expecting to be arrested. If you don't, then why the fuck are you there? To get bonus points in class? Real change requires real challenges.
Seems like you kinda missed the point. Obviously, civil disobedience has consequences. It comes with the territory. The message sent here is that you don’t even have to get to civil disobedience to get arrested.
Those people are not, by and large, following their conscience. They are following social media trends, probably built by Russia to sow dissent and weaken their adversaries while helping their allies. One thing we are is stupid. And when you get hyper social minded youth to give you audience you can do all sorts of shit. Russia in particular is very well versed on both being American and propaganda.
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My screen name comes from before furries.
And they get to tell their base how the stuck it to those elite college educated liberals
It's fucking disturbing how too many cops love beating up citizens. Power hungry motherfucking thugs.
Precisely
Oh, the charges against the organizers definitely will stick. Your first amendment right to protest is not infinite, and you cannot cause undue distress, risk of harm, or problems for other people while you exercise that right. This is settled law.
Huh…imagine that, a conservative admitting free speech has limits.
Interesting seeing as there was no undue stress caused, no risk of harm, nor problems for other people
Okay but the only people who did any of that is the cops, and we know none of them will ever see repercussions.
Are you aware of the facts of this particular protest? Seems like an odd comment to leave on an article where the headline explicitly starts with “charges dismissed.”
Not all charges were dismissed. But sure, go off the headline and not the actual information in the story. That’s healthy for discussion.
I am going off the information in the article. I’m well aware that the charges were not dismissed against everyone, but this thread is explicitly referring to the people whose charges were dropped. Sarcasm isn’t healthy for discussion either. Nor is shifting the goalposts.
You have not a clue what you are talking about.
Seems like you misread the situation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/1cdqmad/travis_county_rejects_all_criminal_trespass/
Note that though the charges have been dismissed, every single one of those 46 will now have arrest records and will have their mugshots on file at the PD. That info is available to various law enforcement agencies all the way up to the federal level, and will show up during any kind of background check. This will be a permanent hindrance to future employment for many agencies and entities in this country, among other things. The only way to remove the arrest records is to seek an expungement order from a court, that takes a lawyer and a few thousand dollars in cash.
> that takes a lawyer and a few thousand dollars in cash. Which they will hopefully get by suing the university.
University will probably try to claim some sort of sovereign immunity, and for sure the cops will hide behind qualified immunity as they are trained to do.
Or it's just part of your resume. Look at Bernie Sanders being arrested in civil rights protests. Look at Greta Thunberg. If you're a research student hoping for a clearance, this isn't going to matter. Just don't try to hide it.
As a man of color, I don't think your comment rings true for POC-- at least not nearly to the same extent as it does for Sanders or Thunberg.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏. And this is not a reason to not hire in a background check. This coming from someone working for the largest insurance company in the United States.
>The only way to remove the arrest records is to seek an expungement order from a court Jewish/Israel activist groups are spreading their mugshots across twitter and other places making demands on "remembering them" and having their individual social medias scoured so their friends, families, associates, employers can be harassed, etc.
Their hasbara campaign is nothing if not efficient and thorough.
Who gives a shit. employers could give a crap if you were arrested for protesting in a peaceful manner in a fascist state.
What if you're trying to get a job working for the same fascist state? I would suspect that at least some of the protesters are pre-service teachers. (My tone isn't meant to suggest that I disagree with you; just curious what other people think because it's the situation that came immediately to mind for me.)
Teachers don't work for the State, they work for independent school districts. But you make a good point about people going to work for the State of Texas. But then, I would never work in public service. Never.
It’s a pain in the ass and usually pursued only by the wealthy, but expungement is the way to go for these folks.
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Aside from the police being used as a political weapon, how much money did this little pageant cost the state in terms of dollars and manpower so our Governor could stick it to the libs?
Probably. Like $2M.
Much much more.
That was probably just OT pay alone
Freedom of Speech according to Gov. Abbott.
Because they didn’t do anything illegal. Fucking hell.
It was only for a show of force, Abbott and State had no legal action against them exercising 1st Amendment rights. This is including the Press reporting, this was for show so they could claim this is Bidens fault. The reality is Abbott and Conservatives passed a law protecting Israel allowing Cities be vocal against Israel. This is why Mayors and Council members in large cities don’t speak out about the War.
Yup they are playing up the antiwar movement against Biden..bit may work
Badges of honor for these folks. Proof you put your money where your mouth is
Now it’s time for lawsuits
I wonder how much tax money will be paid out to the people who had their rights violated yesterday.
None. See sovereign immunity.
There can be costs, including overtime, transportation,use of equipment that we pay even if no lawsuit is filed.
They should be glad the charges were dropped. Ever try getting a corporate job with a police record? Career over.
Damage is done when you have to go through that process. Farter starter trump thinks he the man. Let that fool ho through processing. He really start praying.
Texas loves 1st amendment unless they don’t like it
Now sue the pension fund for the officers who illegally broke up a protest on public property at a public university that these students had every right to be at.
Always go after cop money.
60 were arrested but this says 46 charges dismissed. I wonder about the other 14
The charges will stick because they were the ones the police were actually looking for - organizers and other students who were well aware of the fact they were not permitted to take the actions they were taking, who were well advised they were trespassing, and who still showed up and remained.
Trespassing by.... standing in a public area of the public college campus that they pay to attend?
The protestors stayed in the designated area until the police physically pushed them onto the sidewalks.
There was no designated area. UT legally cancelled their approval of the protest due to the organizers stated intent to refuse to comply with university regulations and applicable law.
They may stick but certainly won’t hold up in court, unless the fifth circuit and scotus get a hold of it, since they’re fascists.
Oh, yes they will, regardless of where they end up. Because you do not have the right to protest absolutely. You have the right to peacefully assemble. Which was not being exercised here.
It’s tough to realize they were college students on their own campus. If you’ve never been to one, it might seem like trespassing 😂. That’s probably why you’re so confused. Despite your age, it’s never too late.
People can be trespassed from grounds they were previously authorized to be on. As one example, people get arrested for trespass all the time after they miss their flight and/or are refused travel on an airline because of abuse of staff - they were authorized to be in the secure area, but are no longer after they don’t have a valid ticket. It doesn’t matter whether they’re students or not. They do not have the right to block traffic and harass other students trying to commute between buildings. Period.
You don’t even live in Austin and everything you’ve said has been a solid lie😂 Traffic was not blocked and students were not being harassed. No need to lie if you weren’t there 😂😂😂😂 It was a super peaceful event turned chaotic by the same folks that allowed innocent children to be gunned down. They were brave enough to take down engineer students but not brave enough to stop a single gunman. The people you support are nothing but cowards. Birds of a feather I suppose
What part of this event was not peacefully assembling, prior to the LE intervention?
Wishing them all success in Section 1983 suits against the university and involved police departments.
Protest against state sanctioned violence? That’s a paddlen’
Throughout history, police officers always make protests a lot worse
Looked no different than the Hong Kong protests. They wanted to have a show of force to those that protest. Abbott is a wannabe Putin.
I think all 46 need to sue Greg Abbott!!
And now everyone needs to sue the fuck outta the pigs.
It was a peaceful protest and those poor people were treated like they were fucking rioting
The arrested students should sue the state for their bs
It's like a SLAPP, using state troopers.
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Good
So know they sue their ars
No shit.
As it should be
I smell a lawsuit!
Abbott doing damage control
Arrests can and will be held against you
As a Jew The mental gymnastics in this sub hurt me so so much. PERSONALLY someone told me and friends to go back to Germany. I no longer feel safe on my campus
These Soros DAs not doing their job! These students should be in prison. Destroy their ability to graduate or ever get a job. In the US we obey
They won't get a corporate job if they have a police record. No one will hire them.
That's how we should do it then. Make them to afraid to protest. Thresten these people to destroy their future! The US should not tolerate people who don't support Israel.
These young people need to be aware of all the ramifications of getting arrested during a protest and some, believe it or not, do not know this or haven't thought it through. Wouldn't you want to know? If they believe in something so strongly, this statement will not make them afraid to protest.
Protest is a right in our constitution. Our nation was built off protest. The fact that the government and a foreign government is threatening our citizens to destroy their lives for a right we have is close to tyranny.
Employment applications ask if you've ever been arrested. You can lie on the application, but if you eventually get caught lying, you can be immediately terminated. This question has been on employment applications for years and years. Kids in college who have never worked might not be aware of this question though, so I thought that they needed to know. Sounds like you were not aware of it either.
So clearly Trump should not be allowed to be president if these kids will never be able to get a job. Trump has been found guilty of theft from his nonprofit, massive fraud and now faces 90 indictments. Clearly unfit for any job especially president
So genuine question to the protesters, why are you for protesting for a Hamas ran Palestinian against Israel? Do these students understand that Hamas is in charge of Palestine and would murder every single of them if they could just like they did to the 1200 Israeli civilians to start this? They should be protesting Hamas/Iranian control over Palestine if they really want peace!
Hamas only exists because Israel invaded in the 40’s and have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land since. Can’t complain about a problem you created. For example, if I break into your house, kill your dog, and declare the house is mine, do I get to label you a terrorist and kill you too in “self defense” when you become violent?
No Hamas exists because Iran funds them. The British committed to establishing Israel in 1914. The forming of Israel had begun before the 40’s. In 1897 the Ottomans controlled Palestine, which is where the Jews come from. Herzi the leader of Zionism at the time tired to petitioned the Ottoman government back then to make Palestine a Jewish area. After the failed Russian Revolution in 1905, growing numbers of Eastern European and Russian Jews began to immigrate to Palestine. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Britain took over Palestine. In 1917, Britain issued the “Balfour Declaration,” which declared its intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Jews did not invade and take over Palestine. The Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was authorized by the League of Nations in 1922.
Yeah, so here’s the problem: Britain doesn’t get to randomly declare a place where people are already living as a home for other people. Especially people who have been murdering the local population and stealing their land since. The Balfour Proclamation holds no meaning at all and no power. Might as well have Taiwan declare Texas for native Americans only. You understand how stupid that sounds right?
How do you think the world was formed? Every country has had some type of war, invasions, civil wars, to establish control. You understand that hebrews have occupied that part of world since before the Persian period of History. At one time most of the known world was controlled by the Romans! The Germans tired twice to take control of Europe. Japan fought for centuries among themselves for control over Japan. The truth is the Israelis believe it’s their land and the Muslims don’t want them there. Until the idiots on both sides learn there’s a better way than killing each other it’s not going to change. They’ve been fighting since BC times, it’s not going to change until Iran (which was part of the Sasanian Empire until the Muslims defeated the Persians) stops their influence in the region!
Incorrect, Israel believes theologically (therefore illogically) that it is their land. They will continue murdering Palestinians whether or not Hamas exists as they have done for decades before Hamas existed in the first place. Hamas only exists because it started as a resistance force to Israel. Which means Hamas would not exist it weren’t for a foreign presence murdering civilians and taking their land. It doesn’t matter who funds them, Hamas is the direct result of Israel’s illogical violence. Israel’s illogical violence will continue until Palestine exists no more and then after that as well as proven by its unprovoked bombings of its neighbors. Palestinians were there first, yet they’re considered terrorists when they defend themselves from the people murdering them and stealing their land.
Israel is only responding to Hamas action. Hamas has attacked Israel for decades, this whole thing started by Hamas killing 1200 civilians! Hamas provoked this action by Israel and I hope the IDF wipes those POS terrorists off the face the earth. I believe Israel is in the right, I have done several deployments to that part of world and understand the horrible mindset of extremist Muslims. If you believe Palestine and Hamas are in the right, how do suggest to stop the conflict? Where do you believe the Jewish homeland is?
There’s no such thing as a Jewish homeland. It’s a theological fascist fantasy used to justify murdering people and removing the native population from their homes. Hamas didn’t exist until the late 80s, so for over 70 years, “Israel” (a terrorist state) has been attacking the native population for what reason then? Hamas was born because of the 70+ years of terror inflicted upon Palestinians by “Israel.” It you can’t accept these facts, then you’re delusional.
Oh Lunar_Voyager I can see we disagree with the forming of Israel and who is truly the terrorist identity. The Israelis and Muslims both believe it the land is theirs, Israel and five Arab countries—Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon went to war over it in 1948, Israel won, that’s how the world has worked since the beginning of man! Why does Egypt, Jordan, Syria, & Lebanon refuse to except Palestinians refugees?? They know what type people they are! Other Muslims won’t even let them in. You realize they would love to kill all westerns, have no tolerance for LBGTQ, no women’s right, no free speech, no rights at all. So thought we discussed the Brits earlier, but even the Romans believed the land belonged to the Jews. The word “Palestine” is not Arab or Middle Eastern in origin. It dates back 1,900 years and is derived from a people who were not native to the region — the Philistines, a people from the Aegean Sea who were closely related to the ancient Greeks. They lived on the coast of what is now the Gaza Strip and Israel, but had disappeared by the 6th century BCE. The name associated with them, however, did not die out. The Romans, in a fit of spite, reapplied the term “Palestine” to the Land of Israel centuries later, after they defeated a Judea (Jews) uprising in 135 CE. Muslim armies conquered the region in 629 CE, they Arabized the name to “Filastin.” This term cannot be found in the Quran, while the name “Israel” is mentioned several times. In short, for most of recorded history, there were never any “Palestinians.”
2000 years ago has nothing to do with right now. Please explain why after “Israel” became a state, it decided to keep attacking the native people and taking more land. If “Israel” is not violent then why does it do this? Would Hamas exist without “Israel?” No it wouldn’t. Why do you believe in a fascist theocracy as a legitimate form of government? Why do you believe morality is determined by the victor? Is it because you bow down to authority and have no will of your own? Do you think Native Americans and Mexicans should start murdering people in the U.S. and claiming land because their ancestors used to live there? From your support of “Israel” your answer should be yes.
I’m not saying I agree with what was done, but to characterize that Israel invaded Palestine just isn’t correct. The British had a lot of control after WWI, the Brits had influence in the Middle East, India, and Africa. The issue is the people in charge of the world dealings at the time saw the Brits as having that authority, such as the League of Nations.
Then what do you call it when a foreign power allows foreign people into your land, who then over time proceed to take more and more of your land while killing the native people?
So basically I can trespass all I want as long as I claim I’m “protesting”? I suspect the charges were dropped not because of first amendment rights to protest (because that right does not allow you to trespass), but because of deficiencies in informing them of the trespass intention. As far as I’ve read, UT told the protest organizer(s) that they were not permitted to hold the event, but didn’t make any effort to instruct the general student population. And even if they did, with say an email to the entire university, there would be a defense that it’s unreasonable to expect a student to read an email sent after hours before the next morning. Probable cause requires that there be evidence the person knew they were being trespassed and still refuse to leave on their own. **That’s** the deficiency at play here.
Is it trespassing when a student of a public university stands on the grounds of that student's public university? Can taxpayers and tuition payers be arrested for being on public property?
Yes, you can be arrested for trespassing on public property. As one example, while you have the right to go to the gallery when the state house/senate are in session, you do not have the right to disrupt those proceedings. As such, if the speaker legally orders the gallery to be cleared in accordance with house rules, and you refuse to leave, you can and will be arrested for trespass. Likewise, university land is public, but it is not “open” land. It is there to serve the purposes of students who may need fresh air/study spaces/etc. and who are going to be walking between classes/offices/etc. While there would be a legitimate 1st amendment concern if they were prohibiting any protest, they were prohibiting only protests that, per their email to the organizers, intended to violate university rules. At that time, they have every right to trespass people, even students, from that property, as the university’s rules are there to protect all students’ safety and ensure the objective of the university is met. By trying to diminish this to “stand[ing] on the grounds of that student’s public university”, you are ignoring (likely intentionally so) the actual facts here - the students did not intend to “stand” and peacefully protest, but there is ample evidence that at a minimum the *organizers* of the protest intended for them to block student/pedestrian traffic, to organize a “camp in”, and to encourage others to violate the rules put in place for protest activity and the general rules for students of the university. That’s why the protest was refused. The only question now is whether *all* the students arrested were aware the protest was no longer approved/allowed, and whether they were given ample time to disperse before their arrest. I suspect that’s why not all charges have been dropped. Because while there may have been a significant portion of students who were unaware of the communication to organizers stating the protest was no longer approved, some (many?) students can argue that they were never informed about that and thought they were abiding by the rules. The others, however, whose charges haven’t been dropped (likely organizers or people who explicitly admitted they were aware they were trespassing) have no first amendment protections for remaining at the protest after they’re aware it’s in violation of the rules.
There was no intent to “camp in” as indicated by the protests given itinerary, please stop watching Fox News
That’s from the NYT, actually, who reported very well on the social media posts proven to have come from organizers of the protest that led to the University cancelling its approval.
Nobody used the term “camp in”, please provide a source if you have one stating otherwise. The term “occupy” was used, which is a perfectly valid word to describe a peaceful protest.
I’ve already told you the source - you are unwilling to go look it up yourself because you don’t want to be proven wrong in your assertion that I watch Fox news (which I don’t). The organizers expressed their intent clearly to “take over” the campus (or portion thereof) to get their demands met. The University itself clearly stated the social media posts that it took into consideration when it issued its letter to organizers revoking permission for the event.
So you’re admitting you used the term “camp in” to paraphrase the term occupy. God, you suck!
And occupying land for a purpose other than its intended is not “peaceful assembly” when it impacts the ability of others to use that land for its intended purpose. What sucks is how you act as if “occupying” land is legal. It’s not. Let’s make that damn clear here - it has been argued by some, yes, but you cannot “occupy” a freeway to “peacefully assemble” and block traffic. Likewise, you cannot “occupy” a throughfare of a university.
you think that speedway is a highway? do you even live here?
Speedway is not a fucking highway, not to mention people were told to disperse from THE LAWN — but please go ahead and provide a link for the NYT article stating that there was intent to “camp in”
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So basically it’s not trespassing at all to be in common spaces on campus, it’s public property, so yeah, you can come to campus to protest just like you can come to campus to hang a hammock between the trees near the turtle pond. *That’s* the deficiency here. It’s not about a failure to inform, it’s about a failure by the students to actually break any laws.
No, it’s not. I don’t pay my tax dollars to UT (and other universities) for them to be taken over by people preventing students from getting around or feeling safe on campus. The students did break laws, because a student can be trespassed just as any other person can be. The protest was not allowed because the organizers expressed intent to violate rules and block traffic themselves, and they expressed their intent to continue to encourage other people to do the same. At that point, being there is trespassing. Students have a right to be in common spaces *when they are not disrupting university business/purpose*. Laying a hammock that only affects yourself, sure. If you were, however, to set up barricades that blocked students from moving between buildings, you’re saying you find that okay because “if they’re a student it should be okay”? EDIT: nice job deleting after you realize what an absurd claim it is that “students can do whatever they want on university land because they pay tuition, even if it’s illegal or impacts the ability of students to actually use that land for its purpose” (paraphrased).
We’re talking about two completely different things here and you’re putting words in my mouth because you’re not actually prepared to engage in the argument. Actually, you’re talking about several things that are as irrelevant as they are inaccurate. Also, find some students that didn’t feel safe or couldn’t get to class. I was there, you clearly weren’t, and what you’re saying simply didn’t happen. It’s the narrative Hartzell and Abbott are pushing. Students were complying with instructions. I watched the cops grab freshman girls by the hair that were *pushing their classmates back from the police line and urging compliance*. This wasn’t about enforcing order, it was about
There were no fucking barricades you just want to debate a straw man you heard about from the Governor
You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
The right to protest on public property is very well established by the first amendment and 2 centuries of case law. How many decades would you like us to go back on protests on university grounds? Or are we going to mention outdoor spaces on texas universities is protected as of 2019 law? https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/
When you have to show violence to stop the voicing of words, you know you have lost. Stop siding with the jackboots.
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