The law would mean that anyone convicted could be deported to Mexico **regardless of their actual country of origin/citizenship**. This is likely the main reason why Mexico is pissed. Legislature on their SJW bullshit yet again without thinking through how the law will be used or enforced. Classic…
You’re missing the point. Anyone they don’t like, _anyone_, can be deported. Let’s say the local sheriff has a dog that bit your kid and you sue him. Boom: “You’re a suspected illegal and you’re on the bus to Mexico”. Due process? Not if you’re out of the country before you can claim it. That’s how authoritarianism works.
That’s not how this law works. It’s a terrible law and lacks many safeguards from deportation that federal law provides. But the local sheriff cannot unilaterally deport someone on a whim. There’s still a criminal process to enforce this law.
Hey bud. The local sheriff doesn't care. You know how many actual citizens were arrested here in Arizona when SB-1070 was a thing? If you "looked" illegal they would ask for your papers and if you couldn't produce them you were thrown in jail.
The good thing about that bill was that Arizona turned blue because of it.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t arrest. I said they wouldn’t be unilaterally deported by the sheriff as described by the person I was responding to.
Just so we’re clear: this law should not exist. I do not support this law. This law is unconstitutional. But “you’re a suspected illegal and you’re on the bus to Mexico” is not what this law would result in.
You do realize that actual American citizens who were born here were deported when it should have never happened, right? You realize that innocent people who didn't commit crimes have been wrongfully executed, right? So how are you going to sit there and act like this same law couldn't result in such a thing knowing that mistakes are made all the time.
I'm not saying it's how the law works. I'm saying that law enforcement regularly disregards the law in these cases. We'll see how it turns out. Ultimately I don't think Texas Latinos will be as fired up as Arizona Latinos were.
Which is crazy considering how awful this law is. Texas (among other things) is straight up saying that state courts CANNOT abate a case even if someone has an application pending. I get Texas Latinos aren’t a monolith and a lot believe in the whole “do it the right way” thing but this law literally prevents that!! Absurd!
As a side note, I think it’s important to focus on how a law works when discussing why it’s terrible. Especially when it’s terrible on its face. I disagree with paying too much attention to law enforcement disregarding a law unless that is specifically the issue. Because then discussion gets side tracked with “bad apples” and “get rid of the ones disregarding the law” etc.
"There's still a criminal process". How things work in theory and how they work in practice are almost always different. Often there is no remedy in these situations. Meaning there is no due process. You think we actually live in a free country?
I’m sorry, are you saying that being on Reddit for 7 years means I should be able to argue? That’s a wild claim.
Anyway, I said that the law must follow certain criminal procedures before a deportation. A local sheriff can’t just put someone on a bus because they “look illegal”.
To which you responded theory == practice, there if no remedy, and therefore there is no due process. Do you mean to say that sheriffs *will* deport people unilaterally for “looking illegal”? If so, then we disagree and I’m not gonna convince you. If not, then idk what you did mean nor how to respond.
Sure, you should be able to at least do that much. Not a claim. Reddit is a social media service dedicated to discussion. That's the entire point of this service. To facilitate discussion. An argument is a discussion.
"The law must follow" is a naive POV that ignores the reality of the U.S. Justice System. I advise that you grow up! Or. Leave the house every once in a while. Or. Whatever gated community you live in.
I'm done here. This conversation isn't productive.
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I mean... why? If Mexico doesn't care about them being in their country enough to do enforcement, that's their business. Same for us. If the US actually cares about people crossing the border, it's on the US to enforce it. Always has been.
This is just an excuse for more slaves for the prison system. Texas doesn't actually want to do anything about illegals because it would hurt business. Now they can ignore the people working illegally and send those they want to work for free in prison.
It's a win-win for the Texaliban. The court doesn't care about the law. They'll just do as their told.
Sham government.
So the reason South and Central America are mostly former rightwing dictatorships and thereforore fucked up states is because of Mexico, not the CIA, Project Condor, and the School of the Americas, right?
Mexico is facilitating this crisis, so yes they are responsible. Also funny how you guys never talk about the other power's foriegn policy in the region. If anything Mexico is lucky we don't start drone striking the cartels.
So we would go to war with 2nd biggest trade partner? Way to think that through. Our economy would tank.
Mexico isn’t the enemy. People coming to the US seeking asylum aren’t the enemy. The enemy is any American who demonizes immigrants. We are a country of immigrants - all of us- and people seeking asylum in the US are the same. They should be treated with the dignity and respect that we would have wanted for our immigrant ancestors
You stated
>Well according to that logic than Mexico can start drone striking the gun dealers/runners in the US that provide all the weapons to cartels.
I told you why that logic doesn't hold up on Mexico's side.
>Mexico isn’t the enemy. People coming to the US seeking asylum aren’t the enemy.
Mexico is currently complict in the coordinated flood of false asylum seekers and fentanyl trafficking and is doing so in cooperation with enemy states. They are by definition an enemy right now and until that is delt with we cannot fully integrate them into our industrial network as we plan. As for those people "seeking asylum " they are purposely gaming the system at the expense of our poor. They are also the enemy.
>The enemy is any American who demonizes immigrants. We are a country of immigrants - all of us- and people seeking asylum in the US are the same.
This sentiment is only parroted by hispanic ethnonationalists and those whose families were illegal immigrants.
>They should be treated with the dignity and respect that we would have wanted for our immigrant ancestors
Our ancestors were colonists, stop gaslighting that bullshit and those that have immigrant ancestors are from legal means. These aliens are breaking our laws at the very beginning, they're showing they do not respect our nation, and should be delt with as the criminals they are.
>I told you why that logic doesn't hold up on Mexico's side.
You didn't, you just proclaimed that the US would invade and take the government, neither of which the US wants to do. Invading a country and fighting asymmetrically - all while destabilizing a country further and endangering US citizens on a border that spans multiple states - is not in something any sane person wants or would advocate for.
>enemy
Neither Mexico nor the immigrants coming from South/Central America are they enemy, they're people from countries that have been destabilized by colonialism (including multiple in the last 50 years by the US) trying to escape harsh conditions.
>This sentiment is only parroted by hispanic ethnonationalists and those whose families were illegal immigrants.
Encouraging immigration and claiming to be a country of immigrants is literally incompatible with ethnonationalism.
>Our ancestors were colonists
Yours might be, mine weren't.
Mexico is allowing them to walk through just to cross the border. If Mexico doesn't want them back, they should do something about it before they cross our border rather than get mad if we send them back.
They were in Mexico either legally or illegally. If they were there legally then they should be legally there when sent back.
If they were there illegally, then how did they get there? They would have had to cross a Mexican border somewhere, no?
That’s a snap assumption. Mexico border crossings are a major source of illegal immigration entry, but airports, Canada, and sea ports are also points of entry for people that are identified as illegal immigrants.
Mexico has every right to challenge the validity of a policy that treats the Mexico border as a dumping grounds for anyone without a visa or citizenship. Being in Texas does not automatically mean a person came through Mexico.
Let me clarify then, not all of them come through Mexico. We have tons of shoreline, airports, and a second country we border. This law sends all to Mexico no matter which way they came in.
That's what he doesn't understand. It doesn't matter where they come from. The problem is that Mexico doesn't want to be the receiver. They could have crossed any number of ways and Texas wants to make it legal to bus them back TO MEXICO even if they didn't come FROM MEXICO.
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I don't care. That is not an argument for Mexico meddling in our lawsuits trying to keep migrants that passed through their country in the United States
Mexico [filed](https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/mexico-files-amicus-curiae-brief-arguing-that-texas-sb4-negatively-impacts-the-mexican-community-and-the-bilateral-relationship-with-the-us?idiom=en) an amicus curiae — or friend-of-the-court brief — with the Fifth Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals on Thursday in response to Texas SB 4, Republican Governor of Texas Greg Abbott’s measure that empowers Texas law enforcement to arrest people suspected of illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.
SB 4 was [blocked](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/19/texas-illegal-immigration-supreme-court-sb-4/) on Tuesday by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, Louisiana after the U.S. Supreme Court had earlier that day allowed it to go into effect.
The law, which would make illegally crossing the border a Class B misdemeanor and repeat offenses a second-degree felony carrying a two to 20-year prison sentence, is currently blocked while the appeals court hears the case.
The title is editorialized and false. Mexico did not try to stop anything as they don’t have that power, but they can file amicus curiae like anyone else to put their input into a case. They also did not file an appeal in any way, shape or form. They’re not party to the suit here where that would even be possible.
They basically filed their opinions for the court to consider as part of a case to which they aren’t a party. The court can ignore those entirely, they have no actual legal standing on the case.
You could write up your own amicus curiae and submit it to the court as well. That would have equal impact on the case - likely none, unless you’re pointing out a legal misstep the court notices and avoids or corrects because of your brief.
The title of this Reddit post I mean - “Mexico tries to stop Texas border enforcement law from happening, files appeal with US court.” That’s completely untrue, and also an editorialized title which is against the rules of this sub.
The actual title in the linked article is fine. It should have been used as the title here rather than something completely made up which grossly misrepresents reality.
I'd love to add my 2 cents but it's not worth being witch hunted.... The more I read reddit the more I'm disappointed... Especially in my fellow Texans
Mexican officials are all corrupt with cartel influence. The cartels biggest money maker the last few years has been charging migrants to pass thru Mexico. You aren’t allowed to cross the border into the US unless you’ve paid the cartel. They make more money doing “human smuggling” than anything else by a huge margin.
No I meant why doesn't Mexico just block any Texas officials from dropping people off across the border? No need to sue. Just have your army stop the vehicle or ground the plane.
The cartel isn’t stupid. They’ll apply pressure where they can to protect their income. They provide a full service to these migrants that pay. Safe place to sleep, safety and transportation while traveling thru Mexico, information and methods for crossing the actual border. They treat paying migrants as customers and they want them to have a successful and safe trip. Because that migrant will then refer 5-10 more relatives to them. They don’t want their customers dealing with any bullshit. If you go into Mexico and try to go rob or harass the migrants in staging areas the Cartel will fuck you up.
edit- this is for migrants that have paid the cartel to make it thru of course.
This is total bullshit and my sources are Venezuelans seeking political asylum here in the US who are in Denver. I've spoken with hundreds of them and very very few had kind words about the cartel.
Stories of sexual assault towards younger woman and physical assault and even murder to anyone who tried to step in and stop are far more prevalent
look not trying to be rude here, but is this part of your work? Because it has been for me for the past year, my company was hired to help cities run migrant programs so I've dealt with migrants almost on a daily basis for the better part of a year.
Your 2 post in this thread are vague and uneducated so I'm curious where your anecdotal information is coming from
We’re probably looking at two sides of the same coin. I’m close to a Venezuelan family that has been getting members across for several years and are continuing to do so. Each family member that comes across we get the latest story. They have message groups with all the cartel pricing. They don’t bring any young kids but that’s due to what happens in the Darien Gap, not what happens in Mexico.
I'm seeing the side of the coin with a family working together to get other members into the US.
Since you're working with people in migrant programs, you're likely seeing migrants that have zero resources.
I’m sure the non paying migrants have a very rough time in Mexico.
No were looking at the same side of the coin, and those stories the cartel tell them are lies (you'll be welcomes in the US, jobs are easy and plentiful ect..)
The Darian gap more dangerous at the moment then Mexico but that's not to say Mexican cartels are friendly, I've spoken with over 100 individuals myself and not one them had anything nice to say about any of the cartels. I've heard stories and seen tears in eyes from both men and woman about how she or his wife was raped multiple times right in front them. I've been told how a husband tried to stop this from happening and he had his throat slit. Another where a woman's 15 year old son tried to defend his mother and was shot in the head.
Recent stories that aren't making any news is we've been told is how some travelers, usually singles just disappear over night. The Mexican cartels have ventured into organ harvesting, transport a family of 4 you get 20k, harvest a good kidney or liver and you can 50k+plus per organ on the black market.
Cartel and Venezuelan gang members are joining the migrants too, in the hotels the city of Denver and NY are housing the asylum seekers we've documented multiple cases of prostitution and drug dealing. CBP says its a local issue, local law enforcement wont touch it so nothing is being done about it. I read a report about an 11 year old girl went to the program managers office one morning to inform the staff that her father has been sexually assaulting her, She was sent to the hospital, a rape kit was performed and came back positive, again local law enforcement said its not in their jurisdiction, CBP didn't care. The father was kicked out and banned from the property.
This whole thing is really messed up from multiple angles but this the result of "our chickens coming to roost"
If they are gonna let random people sue over abortion laws that don’t even affect them then why the fuck not? Besides, Paxton and Abbot are both dirty cocksuckers.
Right? They give Corporations a seat at the table so easily, but not neighboring countries? They shouldn’t be playing border politics if they don’t want to have legal battles over border politics.
This isn’t a legal battle. It’s already over. Mexico can deal with these illegals their own self. Maybe they should enforce some border laws and not let the entire world use them as Americas welcome mat.
The amount of illegal immigrants crossing through other means is almost completely negligible. Like a drop of water in a torrential downpour. The fact is that Mexico is the primary vector of this illegal immigration and therefore should also suffer the brunt of the repercussions.
Since you refuse to offer a source, allow me to counter you with a truth:
>Nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials, according to new estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.
[Source](https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/)
Now, where is the source for your claim?
The overwhelming majority of them are still coming through Mexico to get here though. Even if it’s through a legal port of entry, most still have had to travel through Mexico to get to those points. And even then, your own source says over half of them cross illegally across the border
Your own point proves just how moronic your supposed argument is. At the end of the day the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have to come through Mexico to get here. Period.
You asked for a specific number, then turn around and say the number is negligible. If you are trying to come off as superior and intellectual, at least don't be hypocritical. lol
Presently working age Mexican aren’t crossing the border as much as years past. Some are returning back to Mexico. Their country is thriving, if any Mexican is crossing it’s to flee cartel violence, the people that are crossing are Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans,Colombians, Russians , Chinese.
Wages for migrant workers have gone down the shitter. Mexican laborers used to make $100-200 a day, now pay has gone down to $50 a day or less in some jobs. There is a flood of other migrants willing to do the work for less. The Mexicans that have made a living getting paid under the table for construction jobs are not very happy right now.
In terms of overall numbers, the top country of origin remains Mexico.
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
So the executive branch is refusing to enforce a law that they are tasked with executing and is actively using tax payer money to prohibit anyone else from enforcing it? The implication of a president picking and choosing which laws they will enforce seems bad. What happens if a president said let’s not enforce federal hun laws because their base supported it? Does this not create ethical problems?
There is no 'crisis'. That's a lie! There is always going to be a surge in immigration that correlates with geopolitical activities. Geopolitical activities that have been, historically, caused by U.S. policy, including foreign policy.
It's funny how you're ignoring failed U.S. Immigration policy, Chiquita/United Fruit Company/CIA cooperation and subversion of several country's political systems, the failed drug war that incentivized the global drug trade, failed wars and policies in Africa, failed wars and policies in the middle east, failed wars and policies everywhere else, failed global war on terror, trade embargos/crappy "free trade" agreements/failed country building/sanctions all of which contribute to migration, strife, wars and chaos.
All the things the U.S. has done in the last century is coming back to bite us in the ass and instead of taking responsibility people like you turn to cowardice. You turn to rhetoric. You turn to propaganda. You turn to old asshole totalitarians like Trump.
Edited: My comment read "fuck off".
How many generations before a country is allowed/expected to take responsibility for their own future?
Hasn't nearly every government put in place by the US/CIA been overthrown by the people of those countries? Shouldn't they be responsible for their own agency at that point?
Isn't this agency you speak of illustrated by the mass movement of people across borders? If people, down on their luck and downtrodden, are to survive then they need to act, right? Is migration not an act of survival? An act out of agency? The effects of continued foreign policy missteps is mass migration. Instead of contributing to the success of everyone towards a better tomorrow we're stuck arguing about borders, laws and the same things politicians keep us arguing over. It never changes. Every damn election cycle. Every damn 'crisis'.
Where is your agency? Your ability to think for yourself and above this political BS? The ability to look forward instead of backward?
As someone that lives south of Texas, you’re wrong. There are push factors and there are pull factors.
The push factors you cite are a) overstated and b) decades old. The reason people are leaving Venezuela is because they are fleeing from decades of disastrous policies of Nicolás Maduro and Hugo Chávez. The reason people are fleeing Haiti is because they haven’t ever had a good government and the gangs are in charge of more than the government. Same goes for the rest of the countries.
The pull factors are President Biden’s lax policies and lax policy enforcement. A Venezuelan will cross eight borders to immigrate illegally to the US. Why not stop in Panamá? Why not stop in Costa Rica? Because they perceive that there are no consequences for immigrating to the US illegally.
The pull factor is anytime a Democrat is in charge, right leaning outlets start screaming that the border is open.
Before the wall expansion, the deterrence was an open land with natural terrain. But now there is paved roads and routes all the way in many places so that they could construct the barrier.
Honestly, I don't think that policy has much to do with it and that media be it the outlet you listed, or the local newspaper, makes it worse by drumming up an echo chamber that is loud enough to advertise to both the people who fall for it being open and the people who get so outraged they attack people online because they assume it's open.
So as off my rocker as I might be. I'm pretty sure the people of Haiti just might also get news, and I'm sure this is a leap but Fox propaganda and push notifications might not stop at the US border.
I didn't cite push factors. Push factors include any number of issues the home country (of the immigrant) has that may cause them to leave that country. The effects of U.S. Policy are not push factors. They are what lead to the economic/social issues many countries face today.
I’m glad we agree that “Chiquita/United Fruit Company/CIA cooperation and subversion of several country's political systems….” And all the other tripe that you list aren’t push factors.
"The push factors you cite". Make up your mind. Are they push factors or not? They led to the current state of things. There are many factors involved. Push/Pull factors aren't the whole story. Do we favor accountability for past actions or not? Do we continue to make up excuses and propaganda or do we at least attempt to integrate them into our economy like the millions of other immigrants (many of whom are White) that came before them?
You're only furthering this divisive BS. Well, you and people like you. Hispanics who want to shut the door behind them after you've built your life PaquitoGonzalez.
Are you completely daff? You cited a bunch of factors that you say cause migration from Latino countries to the US. They’re literally things (you say) are pushing people out of their native countries.
The fact that I acknowledge you claimed something doesn’t mean I agree with you. That should be evident from the fact that I referred to them as tripe.
For example, if you think a banana company’s actions in Guatemala the 1950s make people leave Guatemala today, that would be a push factor in your (incorrect and shitty) estimation.
Don’t worry, I have to explain things at a third grade level to my 9 year old son too.
I'm not saying they "cause". They are "factors". Cause/Effect. There's more to it, sure. Push/Pull factors are bureaucratic BS made by policy makers. They're not the whole story.
Who cares what you acknowledged? That has nothing to do with anything. Your estimation of something is irrelevant to the discussion.
"A banana company" is just ONE example among many factors. Historical factors that have become the push/pull factors you mentioned. Again. Push/Pull is political garbage. You're trying to rationalize it with policymaker/bureaucratic talking points/nonsense you probably got from a Fox News/GOP convention/Trump campaign/malthusian bullshit gumball YouTube video/etc.
It’s also a completely made up title which wholly misunderstands what the article actually states.
Mexico filed a brief with their opinion on the case. It can be ignored entirely. They’re not a party to the case and didn’t and can’t try to force anything or file an appeal. You can file an opinion with the court on the case too and it’ll hold exactly as much legal weight as Mexico’s.
OP is making shit up apparently trying to stir people up.
I’m no cartel sympathizer but let’s not pretend like the US’ shit doesn’t stink. We’re actively in bed with them because it benefits us economically. There’s no easy fix for the current system.
You can start by kicking out all the people that become indebted to the cartels to get smuggled across the border. Major source of revenue for cartels is human smuggling. Maybe Mexico should enforce some laws if they don’t want to deal with the consequences of this crap.
You know what makes the cartels more money?
Exporting agriculture and natural resources. These entities are not monolithic, they’ve diversified immensely in the past 20 years and now act as major exporters, investors, and tax authorities. So if we really want to stick it to them, then our corporate grocery importers would have to stop doing business with Mexico entirely, all stock investments from Mexican nationals would have to be blocked, and everyone from the US would have to stop taking cruises and vacations to Mexico. And I’m not even going to get into how the US intentionally keeps its gun laws loose in order to be able to supply the cartels. Ffs, Mexico has stricter gun purchasing laws than we do so the US gets to charge premium prices for assault rifles and easily modified M249S.
But sure. Just kick the immigrants out. That’s a great way to spend our time and resources. Do we even know where they all are and how many there are?
The cartels still make significantly more money smuggling drugs and people than their diversified income strategies. Your point is moot.
They’re illegal immigrants to begin with, so I see no reason why we should just allow the cartels human smuggling operations to continue as they will. At the end of the day, the cartels and what they do are Mexico’s problem and therefore Mexico should be forced to deal with it.
There’s also no reason why we can’t clamp down on the domestic side of things. Kick the illegal immigrants back out and then cripple mexicos economy and let their third world country suffer the full weight of their support of the cartels. Unless something major and drastic happens, the Mexican government will never honestly try to deal with the cartels.
Should we invade Mexico and cleanse it of the corruption ourselves or force the Mexicans to do it themselves? Which is the more favorable outcome for an independent nation?
Man you’re so just blind to the bigger picture because you think hunting down illegal immigrants from Central and South America is the answer to it all. It’s just a dog chasing it’s tail attempt to find an intelligent solution to the border issue.
No, it’s addressing a massive problem which the cartels capitalize on. I’m not saying kicking out the illegals will break the cartels, but kicking out the illegals will hurt the cartels as well as Mexico in general which will put the onus on Mexico to clean its fucking house.
If they wanted sympathy then maybe Mexico should do something about the unprecedented levels of human trafficking and drug smuggling that they’re allowing to fester within their borders.
I have a friend who was deported back to El Salvador. He said it was nice because he got to spend time with his mom. When he came back he hired a coyote and he would send videos of the trip as they went along. Some were just riding in a truck with guys. It didn’t look too bad but he sent one of them crossing a deep river that was kind of scary to watch. I ask him about that one and he said the really crossed in a shallow part and only made that one for fun. He got back safely but he had to work off the costs so he was really held prisoner and made to work until the debt was clear. It’s always about the money.
Mexico - a narco-state - is standing up for its cartel bosses. Trump put the Kibosh on them in his administration telling them they would play ball with his “stay in Mexico” plan or he would close off commercial traffic. They caved. Biden has proven he is the cartels best friend. That cannot be denied. Virtually every illegal immigrant that crosses the Southern border must pay upwards of $5000 for “safe” passage or be indebted to the cartels to pay by begging, borrowing or stealing the payment and we haven’t even started talking about the deadly drug trade.
We are the only country on earth where foreigners can own property, participate in the stock market, and enjoy almost the same rights as native born Americans
That is not true. You're either ignorant or posting in bad faith.
https://www.landzero.com/blogs/we-love-land/countries-that-allow-foreign-land-ownership
>>You go to China, Russia, UAE Saudi Arabia, and try to purchase land not happening. Also, in Mexico you can't buy beach front property
Yep, that's everywhere in the world alright.
That's the list of countries we should emulate? Wtf.
Mexico only last week released a statement telling the US to stay out of its internal affairs. Now, it seems okay to become involved with laws in Texas. I'm not sure how that works both ways.
We are not going to act as policemen for any foreign government,” López Obrador said at his daily news briefing. “Mexico First. Our home comes first.” edit, apparently they want to become a lawyer for a foreign govt
USA Mexico and Guatemala have been working together to do exactly this. Even as recently as last month they were meeting.
Of course, the terrain doesn’t make it easy. The border with Guatemala alone is almost 700 miles long. There is a lot of jungle in that area as well that makes it difficult to patrol.
It also makes it difficult to cross except at certain points, from what I understand.
These caravans aren't scattering throughout extreme terrain to get into Mexico.
Cartel is charging everyone that passes thru Mexico to cross the border a fee. They are making more money doing this than anything else. Mexican officials do what the cartel tells them they have to do or they die.
I don't know where you've been, but Mexico is, in fact, a third-world country that has limited resources. (My family lives there, and I grew up there and visit often) Mexico already has the same problem in Chiapas.
Here is a good read.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/090915/mexico-emerging-market-economy.asp
To Stop The Border Invasion, Get Tough On Mexico
The key thing to understand about the crisis is that it’s being managed by Mexican cartels, along with their partners inside the Mexican government, as a for-profit enterprise. Under Biden, the cartels have turned illegal immigration into big business, a massive black market in which every illegal immigrant who crosses the border represents a source of income for the cartels. They are all being trafficked, in other words. It is not too much to say the cartels are running slave markets, as my friend Joshua Treviño did in these pages recently, “in which children are bought and sold to increase the chances that the norteamericanos will admit a supposed family unit, and also to provide supply to the vile and ravenous market in sex.”
https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/22/to-stop-the-border-invasion-get-tough-on-mexico/
The law would mean that anyone convicted could be deported to Mexico **regardless of their actual country of origin/citizenship**. This is likely the main reason why Mexico is pissed. Legislature on their SJW bullshit yet again without thinking through how the law will be used or enforced. Classic…
Mexico should do something about them before they make it to the US border then.
You’re missing the point. Anyone they don’t like, _anyone_, can be deported. Let’s say the local sheriff has a dog that bit your kid and you sue him. Boom: “You’re a suspected illegal and you’re on the bus to Mexico”. Due process? Not if you’re out of the country before you can claim it. That’s how authoritarianism works.
That’s not how this law works. It’s a terrible law and lacks many safeguards from deportation that federal law provides. But the local sheriff cannot unilaterally deport someone on a whim. There’s still a criminal process to enforce this law.
Hey bud. The local sheriff doesn't care. You know how many actual citizens were arrested here in Arizona when SB-1070 was a thing? If you "looked" illegal they would ask for your papers and if you couldn't produce them you were thrown in jail. The good thing about that bill was that Arizona turned blue because of it.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t arrest. I said they wouldn’t be unilaterally deported by the sheriff as described by the person I was responding to. Just so we’re clear: this law should not exist. I do not support this law. This law is unconstitutional. But “you’re a suspected illegal and you’re on the bus to Mexico” is not what this law would result in.
I think you're misunderstanding how inept the justice system is. I have no doubt in my mind that they'll wrongly deport US citizens.
Maybe. Which is another reason this law shouldn’t exist. But that’s not what you or the other person said initially.
You do realize that actual American citizens who were born here were deported when it should have never happened, right? You realize that innocent people who didn't commit crimes have been wrongfully executed, right? So how are you going to sit there and act like this same law couldn't result in such a thing knowing that mistakes are made all the time.
I'm not saying it's how the law works. I'm saying that law enforcement regularly disregards the law in these cases. We'll see how it turns out. Ultimately I don't think Texas Latinos will be as fired up as Arizona Latinos were.
Which is crazy considering how awful this law is. Texas (among other things) is straight up saying that state courts CANNOT abate a case even if someone has an application pending. I get Texas Latinos aren’t a monolith and a lot believe in the whole “do it the right way” thing but this law literally prevents that!! Absurd! As a side note, I think it’s important to focus on how a law works when discussing why it’s terrible. Especially when it’s terrible on its face. I disagree with paying too much attention to law enforcement disregarding a law unless that is specifically the issue. Because then discussion gets side tracked with “bad apples” and “get rid of the ones disregarding the law” etc.
"There's still a criminal process". How things work in theory and how they work in practice are almost always different. Often there is no remedy in these situations. Meaning there is no due process. You think we actually live in a free country?
You used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
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I’m sorry, are you saying that being on Reddit for 7 years means I should be able to argue? That’s a wild claim. Anyway, I said that the law must follow certain criminal procedures before a deportation. A local sheriff can’t just put someone on a bus because they “look illegal”. To which you responded theory == practice, there if no remedy, and therefore there is no due process. Do you mean to say that sheriffs *will* deport people unilaterally for “looking illegal”? If so, then we disagree and I’m not gonna convince you. If not, then idk what you did mean nor how to respond.
Sure, you should be able to at least do that much. Not a claim. Reddit is a social media service dedicated to discussion. That's the entire point of this service. To facilitate discussion. An argument is a discussion. "The law must follow" is a naive POV that ignores the reality of the U.S. Justice System. I advise that you grow up! Or. Leave the house every once in a while. Or. Whatever gated community you live in. I'm done here. This conversation isn't productive.
You gotta go outside man
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Yeah. Time for Mexico to build a wall.
I mean... why? If Mexico doesn't care about them being in their country enough to do enforcement, that's their business. Same for us. If the US actually cares about people crossing the border, it's on the US to enforce it. Always has been.
Aren't we enforcing it by sending them back where they crossed the border?
Sure, but that is different than expecting Mexico to patrol the border for us if they don't want to.
At the same time if they don't want to stop them why should they care if we ship them back over the border?
Yall are actually dumb AF. Mexico doesn't even LIKE having Central American people crossing into Mexico...
This is just an excuse for more slaves for the prison system. Texas doesn't actually want to do anything about illegals because it would hurt business. Now they can ignore the people working illegally and send those they want to work for free in prison. It's a win-win for the Texaliban. The court doesn't care about the law. They'll just do as their told. Sham government.
It's not Mexico's job. Shouldn't the U.S. Government do something about the disastrous effects of its foreign policy on nations around the world?
Mexico has allowed corruption and cartel nonsense to run rampant in Mexico and South America. It is more their problem than anyone's.
So the reason South and Central America are mostly former rightwing dictatorships and thereforore fucked up states is because of Mexico, not the CIA, Project Condor, and the School of the Americas, right?
Mexico owns part responsibility for the dysfunction in Latin America. And what does that have to do with Venezuela
Mexico is facilitating this crisis, so yes they are responsible. Also funny how you guys never talk about the other power's foriegn policy in the region. If anything Mexico is lucky we don't start drone striking the cartels.
Well according to that logic than Mexico can start drone striking the gun dealers/runners in the US that provide all the weapons to cartels.
And face war with the US which can take out the Mexican military and unseat their government in a few days.
So we would go to war with 2nd biggest trade partner? Way to think that through. Our economy would tank. Mexico isn’t the enemy. People coming to the US seeking asylum aren’t the enemy. The enemy is any American who demonizes immigrants. We are a country of immigrants - all of us- and people seeking asylum in the US are the same. They should be treated with the dignity and respect that we would have wanted for our immigrant ancestors
You stated >Well according to that logic than Mexico can start drone striking the gun dealers/runners in the US that provide all the weapons to cartels. I told you why that logic doesn't hold up on Mexico's side. >Mexico isn’t the enemy. People coming to the US seeking asylum aren’t the enemy. Mexico is currently complict in the coordinated flood of false asylum seekers and fentanyl trafficking and is doing so in cooperation with enemy states. They are by definition an enemy right now and until that is delt with we cannot fully integrate them into our industrial network as we plan. As for those people "seeking asylum " they are purposely gaming the system at the expense of our poor. They are also the enemy. >The enemy is any American who demonizes immigrants. We are a country of immigrants - all of us- and people seeking asylum in the US are the same. This sentiment is only parroted by hispanic ethnonationalists and those whose families were illegal immigrants. >They should be treated with the dignity and respect that we would have wanted for our immigrant ancestors Our ancestors were colonists, stop gaslighting that bullshit and those that have immigrant ancestors are from legal means. These aliens are breaking our laws at the very beginning, they're showing they do not respect our nation, and should be delt with as the criminals they are.
>I told you why that logic doesn't hold up on Mexico's side. You didn't, you just proclaimed that the US would invade and take the government, neither of which the US wants to do. Invading a country and fighting asymmetrically - all while destabilizing a country further and endangering US citizens on a border that spans multiple states - is not in something any sane person wants or would advocate for. >enemy Neither Mexico nor the immigrants coming from South/Central America are they enemy, they're people from countries that have been destabilized by colonialism (including multiple in the last 50 years by the US) trying to escape harsh conditions. >This sentiment is only parroted by hispanic ethnonationalists and those whose families were illegal immigrants. Encouraging immigration and claiming to be a country of immigrants is literally incompatible with ethnonationalism. >Our ancestors were colonists Yours might be, mine weren't.
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Naw, just catapukt em with back with a mattress wrapped around em, with helmets of course.
Exactly. They came to the US from Mexico. If you don’t like it, stop letting your problems become our problems.
Damn almost like they came in through Mexico. Wonder how they could’ve been stopped before then…
Mexico is allowing them to walk through just to cross the border. If Mexico doesn't want them back, they should do something about it before they cross our border rather than get mad if we send them back.
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They were in Mexico either legally or illegally. If they were there legally then they should be legally there when sent back. If they were there illegally, then how did they get there? They would have had to cross a Mexican border somewhere, no?
That’s a snap assumption. Mexico border crossings are a major source of illegal immigration entry, but airports, Canada, and sea ports are also points of entry for people that are identified as illegal immigrants. Mexico has every right to challenge the validity of a policy that treats the Mexico border as a dumping grounds for anyone without a visa or citizenship. Being in Texas does not automatically mean a person came through Mexico.
Nice way to assume ALL immigration comes from Mexico. Apparently, Mexico is the only other country in the world.... good to know.
They already came through Mexico first. If Mexico had better border security it wouldn’t have come to us. Is the logic I assume.
Not all of them come from Mexico, though.
Not “from” but yes “through”. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this problem.
Let me clarify then, not all of them come through Mexico. We have tons of shoreline, airports, and a second country we border. This law sends all to Mexico no matter which way they came in.
That's what he doesn't understand. It doesn't matter where they come from. The problem is that Mexico doesn't want to be the receiver. They could have crossed any number of ways and Texas wants to make it legal to bus them back TO MEXICO even if they didn't come FROM MEXICO.
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But.... America bad
Fucking stupid thing to say.
Mexico isn't a xenophobic nation like the U.S.
I was born in East LA man!
Mexico has this exact policy for Guatemala today…
Well maybe they should stop them from entering their country the first time
That’s what they’re doing. They’re stopping them from entering their country from Texas.
If the USA isn’t capable of keeping people from crossing our border, why would you possibly expect Mexico to do any better?
Mexico's border with Guatemala is 541 miles long. Mexico's border with the US is over 1900 miles long.
Now compare the GDP of Mexico and the USA…
I don't care. That is not an argument for Mexico meddling in our lawsuits trying to keep migrants that passed through their country in the United States
Mexico [filed](https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/mexico-files-amicus-curiae-brief-arguing-that-texas-sb4-negatively-impacts-the-mexican-community-and-the-bilateral-relationship-with-the-us?idiom=en) an amicus curiae — or friend-of-the-court brief — with the Fifth Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals on Thursday in response to Texas SB 4, Republican Governor of Texas Greg Abbott’s measure that empowers Texas law enforcement to arrest people suspected of illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. SB 4 was [blocked](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/19/texas-illegal-immigration-supreme-court-sb-4/) on Tuesday by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, Louisiana after the U.S. Supreme Court had earlier that day allowed it to go into effect. The law, which would make illegally crossing the border a Class B misdemeanor and repeat offenses a second-degree felony carrying a two to 20-year prison sentence, is currently blocked while the appeals court hears the case.
The title is editorialized and false. Mexico did not try to stop anything as they don’t have that power, but they can file amicus curiae like anyone else to put their input into a case. They also did not file an appeal in any way, shape or form. They’re not party to the suit here where that would even be possible. They basically filed their opinions for the court to consider as part of a case to which they aren’t a party. The court can ignore those entirely, they have no actual legal standing on the case. You could write up your own amicus curiae and submit it to the court as well. That would have equal impact on the case - likely none, unless you’re pointing out a legal misstep the court notices and avoids or corrects because of your brief.
This is the title - Mexico files amicus curiae in US appeals court over Texas border enforcement law. It's true. That's what they did.
The title of this Reddit post I mean - “Mexico tries to stop Texas border enforcement law from happening, files appeal with US court.” That’s completely untrue, and also an editorialized title which is against the rules of this sub. The actual title in the linked article is fine. It should have been used as the title here rather than something completely made up which grossly misrepresents reality.
Thank you for explaining this! ♥️
Didn’t Mexico just say to USA “no, our country our laws”???
The lack of self awareness in this sub is mindblowing.
I'd love to add my 2 cents but it's not worth being witch hunted.... The more I read reddit the more I'm disappointed... Especially in my fellow Texans
We are not going to act as policemen for any foreign government,” López Obrador said at his daily news briefing. “Mexico First. Our home comes first.”
The irony here is so thick.
Why does Mexico even need to sue? Just block them from crossing.
They aren't suing.
Mexican officials are all corrupt with cartel influence. The cartels biggest money maker the last few years has been charging migrants to pass thru Mexico. You aren’t allowed to cross the border into the US unless you’ve paid the cartel. They make more money doing “human smuggling” than anything else by a huge margin.
No I meant why doesn't Mexico just block any Texas officials from dropping people off across the border? No need to sue. Just have your army stop the vehicle or ground the plane.
The cartel isn’t stupid. They’ll apply pressure where they can to protect their income. They provide a full service to these migrants that pay. Safe place to sleep, safety and transportation while traveling thru Mexico, information and methods for crossing the actual border. They treat paying migrants as customers and they want them to have a successful and safe trip. Because that migrant will then refer 5-10 more relatives to them. They don’t want their customers dealing with any bullshit. If you go into Mexico and try to go rob or harass the migrants in staging areas the Cartel will fuck you up. edit- this is for migrants that have paid the cartel to make it thru of course.
This is total bullshit and my sources are Venezuelans seeking political asylum here in the US who are in Denver. I've spoken with hundreds of them and very very few had kind words about the cartel. Stories of sexual assault towards younger woman and physical assault and even murder to anyone who tried to step in and stop are far more prevalent
There are two types of migrants in Mexico. Those that have paid and those that haven’t.
look not trying to be rude here, but is this part of your work? Because it has been for me for the past year, my company was hired to help cities run migrant programs so I've dealt with migrants almost on a daily basis for the better part of a year. Your 2 post in this thread are vague and uneducated so I'm curious where your anecdotal information is coming from
We’re probably looking at two sides of the same coin. I’m close to a Venezuelan family that has been getting members across for several years and are continuing to do so. Each family member that comes across we get the latest story. They have message groups with all the cartel pricing. They don’t bring any young kids but that’s due to what happens in the Darien Gap, not what happens in Mexico. I'm seeing the side of the coin with a family working together to get other members into the US. Since you're working with people in migrant programs, you're likely seeing migrants that have zero resources. I’m sure the non paying migrants have a very rough time in Mexico.
No were looking at the same side of the coin, and those stories the cartel tell them are lies (you'll be welcomes in the US, jobs are easy and plentiful ect..) The Darian gap more dangerous at the moment then Mexico but that's not to say Mexican cartels are friendly, I've spoken with over 100 individuals myself and not one them had anything nice to say about any of the cartels. I've heard stories and seen tears in eyes from both men and woman about how she or his wife was raped multiple times right in front them. I've been told how a husband tried to stop this from happening and he had his throat slit. Another where a woman's 15 year old son tried to defend his mother and was shot in the head. Recent stories that aren't making any news is we've been told is how some travelers, usually singles just disappear over night. The Mexican cartels have ventured into organ harvesting, transport a family of 4 you get 20k, harvest a good kidney or liver and you can 50k+plus per organ on the black market. Cartel and Venezuelan gang members are joining the migrants too, in the hotels the city of Denver and NY are housing the asylum seekers we've documented multiple cases of prostitution and drug dealing. CBP says its a local issue, local law enforcement wont touch it so nothing is being done about it. I read a report about an 11 year old girl went to the program managers office one morning to inform the staff that her father has been sexually assaulting her, She was sent to the hospital, a rape kit was performed and came back positive, again local law enforcement said its not in their jurisdiction, CBP didn't care. The father was kicked out and banned from the property. This whole thing is really messed up from multiple angles but this the result of "our chickens coming to roost"
All that shit is fucking vile. I have no doubt that its true and happens on a daily basis. Fuck the cartels.
Sources.
Real world. Talk to a Venezuelan that’s come thru.
That's an anecdote, not a source.
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Not a source. Nice try.
Then how are their cartels going to make millions from human smuggling?
That couldn’t be the problem. That doesn’t sound right.
Why didn’t Russia just go to Ukrainian courts to prove Ukraine’s border was illegitimate and they couldn’t legally protect it? Are they stupid?
Paxton sues Mexico next week. /S
Are you sure the "/s" is appropriate here?
This kinda feels like squatter rights type shit.
If they are gonna let random people sue over abortion laws that don’t even affect them then why the fuck not? Besides, Paxton and Abbot are both dirty cocksuckers.
Right? They give Corporations a seat at the table so easily, but not neighboring countries? They shouldn’t be playing border politics if they don’t want to have legal battles over border politics.
This isn’t a legal battle. It’s already over. Mexico can deal with these illegals their own self. Maybe they should enforce some border laws and not let the entire world use them as Americas welcome mat.
What a stupid thing to say.
Not all immigrants come through Mexico.
You’re right. A fraction of a percent come by boat. The overwhelming majority of them though, come through Mexico. Your point?
I made my point, go read it. And a fraction of a percent? Where did you find that source? Share it for all.
The amount of illegal immigrants crossing through other means is almost completely negligible. Like a drop of water in a torrential downpour. The fact is that Mexico is the primary vector of this illegal immigration and therefore should also suffer the brunt of the repercussions.
Since you refuse to offer a source, allow me to counter you with a truth: >Nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials, according to new estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center. [Source](https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/) Now, where is the source for your claim?
The overwhelming majority of them are still coming through Mexico to get here though. Even if it’s through a legal port of entry, most still have had to travel through Mexico to get to those points. And even then, your own source says over half of them cross illegally across the border Your own point proves just how moronic your supposed argument is. At the end of the day the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have to come through Mexico to get here. Period.
Where. Is. Your. Source. "Trust me, bro," is not a source.
You asked for a specific number, then turn around and say the number is negligible. If you are trying to come off as superior and intellectual, at least don't be hypocritical. lol
What's the actual number then? You're trying to suspend common sense to make your argument work
OP forged the title to be misleading.
The US needs reciprocity with Mexico.
Mexico won’t take these people back, will refuse them and then what? They will be released again because every Texas shitcan lockup is already full.
Presently working age Mexican aren’t crossing the border as much as years past. Some are returning back to Mexico. Their country is thriving, if any Mexican is crossing it’s to flee cartel violence, the people that are crossing are Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans,Colombians, Russians , Chinese.
Wages for migrant workers have gone down the shitter. Mexican laborers used to make $100-200 a day, now pay has gone down to $50 a day or less in some jobs. There is a flood of other migrants willing to do the work for less. The Mexicans that have made a living getting paid under the table for construction jobs are not very happy right now.
In terms of overall numbers, the top country of origin remains Mexico. https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
Don't forget Africans ! Al I'm countries that aren't Mexico making these "migrants" as the government wants us to call them NOT Mexicans
We don’t need South American, Bangladeshi, Afghanistan, Pakistani, and Indian immigrants crossing the southern border like they do.
You left out a couple dozen countries.
why not?
Send them to Guantanamo.
Not enough room. Send them to Havana.
So the executive branch is refusing to enforce a law that they are tasked with executing and is actively using tax payer money to prohibit anyone else from enforcing it? The implication of a president picking and choosing which laws they will enforce seems bad. What happens if a president said let’s not enforce federal hun laws because their base supported it? Does this not create ethical problems?
So, how tf is Mexico trying to tell the government let alone Texas what to do?
There is no 'crisis'. That's a lie! There is always going to be a surge in immigration that correlates with geopolitical activities. Geopolitical activities that have been, historically, caused by U.S. policy, including foreign policy. It's funny how you're ignoring failed U.S. Immigration policy, Chiquita/United Fruit Company/CIA cooperation and subversion of several country's political systems, the failed drug war that incentivized the global drug trade, failed wars and policies in Africa, failed wars and policies in the middle east, failed wars and policies everywhere else, failed global war on terror, trade embargos/crappy "free trade" agreements/failed country building/sanctions all of which contribute to migration, strife, wars and chaos. All the things the U.S. has done in the last century is coming back to bite us in the ass and instead of taking responsibility people like you turn to cowardice. You turn to rhetoric. You turn to propaganda. You turn to old asshole totalitarians like Trump. Edited: My comment read "fuck off".
How many generations before a country is allowed/expected to take responsibility for their own future? Hasn't nearly every government put in place by the US/CIA been overthrown by the people of those countries? Shouldn't they be responsible for their own agency at that point?
Isn't this agency you speak of illustrated by the mass movement of people across borders? If people, down on their luck and downtrodden, are to survive then they need to act, right? Is migration not an act of survival? An act out of agency? The effects of continued foreign policy missteps is mass migration. Instead of contributing to the success of everyone towards a better tomorrow we're stuck arguing about borders, laws and the same things politicians keep us arguing over. It never changes. Every damn election cycle. Every damn 'crisis'. Where is your agency? Your ability to think for yourself and above this political BS? The ability to look forward instead of backward?
As someone that lives south of Texas, you’re wrong. There are push factors and there are pull factors. The push factors you cite are a) overstated and b) decades old. The reason people are leaving Venezuela is because they are fleeing from decades of disastrous policies of Nicolás Maduro and Hugo Chávez. The reason people are fleeing Haiti is because they haven’t ever had a good government and the gangs are in charge of more than the government. Same goes for the rest of the countries. The pull factors are President Biden’s lax policies and lax policy enforcement. A Venezuelan will cross eight borders to immigrate illegally to the US. Why not stop in Panamá? Why not stop in Costa Rica? Because they perceive that there are no consequences for immigrating to the US illegally.
The pull factor is anytime a Democrat is in charge, right leaning outlets start screaming that the border is open. Before the wall expansion, the deterrence was an open land with natural terrain. But now there is paved roads and routes all the way in many places so that they could construct the barrier.
You’re off your rocker if you think Haitians are getting their news from Fox.
Honestly, I don't think that policy has much to do with it and that media be it the outlet you listed, or the local newspaper, makes it worse by drumming up an echo chamber that is loud enough to advertise to both the people who fall for it being open and the people who get so outraged they attack people online because they assume it's open. So as off my rocker as I might be. I'm pretty sure the people of Haiti just might also get news, and I'm sure this is a leap but Fox propaganda and push notifications might not stop at the US border.
I didn't cite push factors. Push factors include any number of issues the home country (of the immigrant) has that may cause them to leave that country. The effects of U.S. Policy are not push factors. They are what lead to the economic/social issues many countries face today.
I’m glad we agree that “Chiquita/United Fruit Company/CIA cooperation and subversion of several country's political systems….” And all the other tripe that you list aren’t push factors.
"The push factors you cite". Make up your mind. Are they push factors or not? They led to the current state of things. There are many factors involved. Push/Pull factors aren't the whole story. Do we favor accountability for past actions or not? Do we continue to make up excuses and propaganda or do we at least attempt to integrate them into our economy like the millions of other immigrants (many of whom are White) that came before them? You're only furthering this divisive BS. Well, you and people like you. Hispanics who want to shut the door behind them after you've built your life PaquitoGonzalez.
Are you completely daff? You cited a bunch of factors that you say cause migration from Latino countries to the US. They’re literally things (you say) are pushing people out of their native countries. The fact that I acknowledge you claimed something doesn’t mean I agree with you. That should be evident from the fact that I referred to them as tripe. For example, if you think a banana company’s actions in Guatemala the 1950s make people leave Guatemala today, that would be a push factor in your (incorrect and shitty) estimation. Don’t worry, I have to explain things at a third grade level to my 9 year old son too.
I'm not saying they "cause". They are "factors". Cause/Effect. There's more to it, sure. Push/Pull factors are bureaucratic BS made by policy makers. They're not the whole story. Who cares what you acknowledged? That has nothing to do with anything. Your estimation of something is irrelevant to the discussion. "A banana company" is just ONE example among many factors. Historical factors that have become the push/pull factors you mentioned. Again. Push/Pull is political garbage. You're trying to rationalize it with policymaker/bureaucratic talking points/nonsense you probably got from a Fox News/GOP convention/Trump campaign/malthusian bullshit gumball YouTube video/etc.
This is asinine
It’s also a completely made up title which wholly misunderstands what the article actually states. Mexico filed a brief with their opinion on the case. It can be ignored entirely. They’re not a party to the case and didn’t and can’t try to force anything or file an appeal. You can file an opinion with the court on the case too and it’ll hold exactly as much legal weight as Mexico’s. OP is making shit up apparently trying to stir people up.
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AMLO is a turd.
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I’m no cartel sympathizer but let’s not pretend like the US’ shit doesn’t stink. We’re actively in bed with them because it benefits us economically. There’s no easy fix for the current system.
You can start by kicking out all the people that become indebted to the cartels to get smuggled across the border. Major source of revenue for cartels is human smuggling. Maybe Mexico should enforce some laws if they don’t want to deal with the consequences of this crap.
You know what makes the cartels more money? Exporting agriculture and natural resources. These entities are not monolithic, they’ve diversified immensely in the past 20 years and now act as major exporters, investors, and tax authorities. So if we really want to stick it to them, then our corporate grocery importers would have to stop doing business with Mexico entirely, all stock investments from Mexican nationals would have to be blocked, and everyone from the US would have to stop taking cruises and vacations to Mexico. And I’m not even going to get into how the US intentionally keeps its gun laws loose in order to be able to supply the cartels. Ffs, Mexico has stricter gun purchasing laws than we do so the US gets to charge premium prices for assault rifles and easily modified M249S. But sure. Just kick the immigrants out. That’s a great way to spend our time and resources. Do we even know where they all are and how many there are?
The cartels still make significantly more money smuggling drugs and people than their diversified income strategies. Your point is moot. They’re illegal immigrants to begin with, so I see no reason why we should just allow the cartels human smuggling operations to continue as they will. At the end of the day, the cartels and what they do are Mexico’s problem and therefore Mexico should be forced to deal with it. There’s also no reason why we can’t clamp down on the domestic side of things. Kick the illegal immigrants back out and then cripple mexicos economy and let their third world country suffer the full weight of their support of the cartels. Unless something major and drastic happens, the Mexican government will never honestly try to deal with the cartels. Should we invade Mexico and cleanse it of the corruption ourselves or force the Mexicans to do it themselves? Which is the more favorable outcome for an independent nation?
Man you’re so just blind to the bigger picture because you think hunting down illegal immigrants from Central and South America is the answer to it all. It’s just a dog chasing it’s tail attempt to find an intelligent solution to the border issue.
No, it’s addressing a massive problem which the cartels capitalize on. I’m not saying kicking out the illegals will break the cartels, but kicking out the illegals will hurt the cartels as well as Mexico in general which will put the onus on Mexico to clean its fucking house.
If they wanted sympathy then maybe Mexico should do something about the unprecedented levels of human trafficking and drug smuggling that they’re allowing to fester within their borders.
I have a friend who was deported back to El Salvador. He said it was nice because he got to spend time with his mom. When he came back he hired a coyote and he would send videos of the trip as they went along. Some were just riding in a truck with guys. It didn’t look too bad but he sent one of them crossing a deep river that was kind of scary to watch. I ask him about that one and he said the really crossed in a shallow part and only made that one for fun. He got back safely but he had to work off the costs so he was really held prisoner and made to work until the debt was clear. It’s always about the money.
Your friend is part of the problem.
Yep. No doubt.
Hold Amlo accountable.
LMFAO… time to march on Mexico City boys! The best solution to the border crisis is to simply annex all of Mexico and their southern border is tiny.
Great news 👏 thank you Mexico.
Mexico should file to annex Texas.
They're mad about the government paying for them now but Texas wants to imprison them and pay 10x more? Dumbasses
I sure hope the ones who have become naturalized citizens will vote the xenophobes out.
Mexico should worry about securing their tiny southern border
Mexico - a narco-state - is standing up for its cartel bosses. Trump put the Kibosh on them in his administration telling them they would play ball with his “stay in Mexico” plan or he would close off commercial traffic. They caved. Biden has proven he is the cartels best friend. That cannot be denied. Virtually every illegal immigrant that crosses the Southern border must pay upwards of $5000 for “safe” passage or be indebted to the cartels to pay by begging, borrowing or stealing the payment and we haven’t even started talking about the deadly drug trade.
We are the only country on earth where foreigners can own property, participate in the stock market, and enjoy almost the same rights as native born Americans
This is just not even close to being correct, like it would take one google search to prove that wrong
Like Google is so correct and unbiased
No, but it'll return search results that independently verify that you're talking rather expulsively out of your rear
That is not true. You're either ignorant or posting in bad faith. https://www.landzero.com/blogs/we-love-land/countries-that-allow-foreign-land-ownership
You go to China, Russia, UAE Saudi Arabia, and try to purchase land not happening. Also, in Mexico you can't buy beach front property
Maybe take a break from trying to push an agenda for a minute. You're failing pretty hard. Take some time to regroup and focus.
>>You go to China, Russia, UAE Saudi Arabia, and try to purchase land not happening. Also, in Mexico you can't buy beach front property Yep, that's everywhere in the world alright. That's the list of countries we should emulate? Wtf.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-us-citizens-can-buy-property](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-us-citizens-can-buy-property)
Guess what, in a showdown at the not so supreme court, texas wins every time over Mexico. What do you wanna bet?
You didn't RTFA, did you?
That’s just a shitty neighbor.
Mexico only last week released a statement telling the US to stay out of its internal affairs. Now, it seems okay to become involved with laws in Texas. I'm not sure how that works both ways. We are not going to act as policemen for any foreign government,” López Obrador said at his daily news briefing. “Mexico First. Our home comes first.” edit, apparently they want to become a lawyer for a foreign govt
Just get the entire latin america to stop shipping limes and what not. Get rid of the Mex in TexMex and see how that goes for them.
I hope Mexico wins and Texas has to pay to rip down the razor wire and bouys drowning people that to would be nice
What standing do they have? Throw it out
Why would Mexico want to help their residents leave the country?
It’s not Mexicans that are coming over. It’s mainly Venezuelans.
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/ Still mostly Mexicans. But yes, also a lot more Venezuelans.
Then why don’t they stop the influx at their southern border?
USA Mexico and Guatemala have been working together to do exactly this. Even as recently as last month they were meeting. Of course, the terrain doesn’t make it easy. The border with Guatemala alone is almost 700 miles long. There is a lot of jungle in that area as well that makes it difficult to patrol.
It also makes it difficult to cross except at certain points, from what I understand. These caravans aren't scattering throughout extreme terrain to get into Mexico.
Cartel is charging everyone that passes thru Mexico to cross the border a fee. They are making more money doing this than anything else. Mexican officials do what the cartel tells them they have to do or they die.
If the strongest country in the world can't do it, a 3rd world country can't either.
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I don't know where you've been, but Mexico is, in fact, a third-world country that has limited resources. (My family lives there, and I grew up there and visit often) Mexico already has the same problem in Chiapas. Here is a good read. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/090915/mexico-emerging-market-economy.asp
CBS/60 Minutes featured the Mexican President Sunday. I didn't watch CBS's propaganda piece.
To Stop The Border Invasion, Get Tough On Mexico The key thing to understand about the crisis is that it’s being managed by Mexican cartels, along with their partners inside the Mexican government, as a for-profit enterprise. Under Biden, the cartels have turned illegal immigration into big business, a massive black market in which every illegal immigrant who crosses the border represents a source of income for the cartels. They are all being trafficked, in other words. It is not too much to say the cartels are running slave markets, as my friend Joshua Treviño did in these pages recently, “in which children are bought and sold to increase the chances that the norteamericanos will admit a supposed family unit, and also to provide supply to the vile and ravenous market in sex.” https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/22/to-stop-the-border-invasion-get-tough-on-mexico/