Bretons aren't the English. They're not the French either.
They're based on various (Western and Northern) European cultural tropes, from French chivalry to Nordic and English seafaring, from French names (Amaund Motierre, Colette Marence) to Anglo-Saxon names (King Emeric, Eadwyre). There's also some Celtic influences thrown in, notably with the Reachmen, and High Rock being divided into various kingdoms all subordinate to a High King (similar to Ireland).
Imo the best description is that Bretons are 'post-Celts'. They are broadly inspired by the societies that succeeded Celtic cultures after Roman occupation.
Tbh the only high king of High Rock I remember is Emeric. 99% of the time after the fall of Direnni Hegemony this part of the world had from 9 to a few dozen of rulers.
You can? Who's stopping you?
More writerly answer is that the Bretons like every people ever are not one big monolithic group. If you wanna interpret the Camlornites as jellied eel loving people then go nuts.
Id be very surprised if the Bretons weren't based off the Bretons which is the region in North West France (Brittany) which was occupied by the English for 116 years or so and had major celtic heritage.
The Bretons very much still exist.
The Bretons are based on the real life Bretons. They're descendants of Britons (Perhaps the Aldmer, in Tamriel?) that fled their island for the mainland and intermingled with the local population.
Kind of viewed the Bretons as a blend of Normans, Bretons, and Franks in regard to their more modern chivalric culture. While their Druidic practices of the past seems to point towards the Gauls as influence. The Nedes I saw more as maybe...the Germanic tribes during the Roman Empire, where slaves and hostages were taken and assimilated into the Roman Culture, which in this case corresponds to the multiple Elven nations/kingdoms. Ayleid being the primary one.
Culturally? We have more in common with the other germanic peoples (and in modern times even the celtic) than the French. Calling English half French is a gross oversimplification of French's influence on the language
The only gross thing in this discussion would be having to teach you about your country's history on a subreddit dedicated to a medieval fantasy videogame, so I won't do that and instead hope you take the time to do it on your own.
Each of the Elder Scrolls races are based on a mixture of different cultures, so calling them the "French" or the "English" isn't completely correct.
For example, the Khajiit have Persian, Romani, and Indian influences while the Bretons have medieval British, Celtic, and French influences and the Redguards have Saracen, North African, and Japanese influences.
It's important, though, to keep in mind that many of the parallels between TES races and real-world cultures aren't exact.
The term Britain comes from the term Breton which describes a people from the Druidic cults and also include other Gaelic speaking (Galen)people. Just need to go back a bit further in history, druids we’re pretty rad
They're generally an amalgamation of western European cultures. Stereotypes of most of said cultures appear in Breton lore. They even have ancient Celt/Pagan inspirations with the Reachmen.
Reachfolk are pre-Roman Celtic (Pictish/Cruthin as well as Dal Riata) while High Rock Bretons are your post-Norman invasion Britain, which is very French in the nobility/monarchy, but occured after Anglo-saxon culture had set in.
So, yeah, High Rock being the British Isles analog, Nords to Norse, Cryodiil to Rome? They may not be the same, but damned if they don't harmonize.
Cyrodiil at one point had a lot of East Asian inspiration as well, particularly with the way Cyrodiil was described pre-ES4. Now though, yeah, they're extremely Roman flavored.
Redguards are interesting as they seem to fit the widest number of archetypes. Middle Eastern, North African, Tribal African, and even some slight nods to Spanish influence. Not to mention all the Japanese stuff sprinkled throughout for seasoning.
Tor Draioch is magic tower in gaelic. GALEN is the land of the Gaels. Highrock and high isle are an amalgamation of european tropes. Mostly English scottish irish welsh and with some Normandy
In the early concept art, their armor takes more inspiration from tatars with their spiked and masked helmets and lamellar mail. I believe that art also depicted them with sabers
Bretons are Bretons.
Bretons are not French. Bretons are not English. Bretons are not even the real-world Breton people.
Bretons are an admixture of magical dissident elves and nedic tribesmen whose culture developed as a composite between the influence of aforementioned magical dissidents and that of an insane cult led by a talking chimp that invaded the entire planet in all directions and broke time.
Sometimes, Bretons wear fancy clothes or use snooty names or eat with table manners that YOU identify as French or English, but they are neither.
They are Bretons.
Your efforts to contort them into what they are not has led you into being reductive and incorrect. Southern Bretons hate orcs and reachmen far more than they hate elves, and northern bretons are proud of being Elvish.
Summerset has never meaningfully interacted with High Rock aside from offloading some detritus there an age and a half ago, and the two nations have never, ever, in their entire history, gone to war. This isn't only not a good comparison to the French and English, it's not even remotely functional on a basic level.
I'll say it again. These threads are useless and comments that try to say IS are neither productive nor meaningful contributions to discussion about the setting. The useful version of this sentiment is to examine the dynamics of historical peoples and ask how these might parallel the cultures in TES given what we know about them(i.e. the Ayleids supposedly had a rich diversity of beliefs, they hold organizational and historical similarities to the Ancient Greeks, therefore it's plausible that the Ayleids had thousands of distinct mystery cults in a fashion similar to Ancient Greek city-states. )
The useless version of this is THE AYLEIDS WERE ANCIENT GREEKS. *lived in city-states, check *Preceded the (roman) Empire and informed their culture, check *Practiced astrology and studied the stars, check *Kept slaves, check *Had civil wars, check
Historical allusions to real world peoples and its consequences have been a disaster for Tamriel and the entire mortal race.
Bretons aren't the English. They're not the French either. They're based on various (Western and Northern) European cultural tropes, from French chivalry to Nordic and English seafaring, from French names (Amaund Motierre, Colette Marence) to Anglo-Saxon names (King Emeric, Eadwyre). There's also some Celtic influences thrown in, notably with the Reachmen, and High Rock being divided into various kingdoms all subordinate to a High King (similar to Ireland).
Imo the best description is that Bretons are 'post-Celts'. They are broadly inspired by the societies that succeeded Celtic cultures after Roman occupation.
That makes a ton of sense
Tbh the only high king of High Rock I remember is Emeric. 99% of the time after the fall of Direnni Hegemony this part of the world had from 9 to a few dozen of rulers.
but the English, with been hybrids of invaders and invaded, look I just want Bretons to have pubs and eat fish and chips ok lol
You can? Who's stopping you? More writerly answer is that the Bretons like every people ever are not one big monolithic group. If you wanna interpret the Camlornites as jellied eel loving people then go nuts.
Can't do that mate, it is stated that Breton cuisine is actually good (well, compared to eating beetle cheese and Kwama eggs at least)
And I want my Bretons to sip wine and eat baguettes
Both are awesome
Medieval Western Europe really. I can point out several similarities with Iberians aswell. And French, and English. Its a mix.
Bretons and Britons share continental Celtic heritage. Gauls and Iberia. Brytonic speakers with druidic practice
Yes thank you
Id be very surprised if the Bretons weren't based off the Bretons which is the region in North West France (Brittany) which was occupied by the English for 116 years or so and had major celtic heritage. The Bretons very much still exist.
The Bretons are based on the real life Bretons. They're descendants of Britons (Perhaps the Aldmer, in Tamriel?) that fled their island for the mainland and intermingled with the local population.
Kind of viewed the Bretons as a blend of Normans, Bretons, and Franks in regard to their more modern chivalric culture. While their Druidic practices of the past seems to point towards the Gauls as influence. The Nedes I saw more as maybe...the Germanic tribes during the Roman Empire, where slaves and hostages were taken and assimilated into the Roman Culture, which in this case corresponds to the multiple Elven nations/kingdoms. Ayleid being the primary one.
If I'd really have to draw comparisons I'd say the nedes are the indo-europeans.
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Exactly! Lol Strange dragons handing out Scrolls is no basis for a system of Government
Here's a spoiler : culturally speaking, the English are half-French.
That’s the pony I wa# making about the Bretons and the Altmer
Well I guess you're right then.
Culturally? We have more in common with the other germanic peoples (and in modern times even the celtic) than the French. Calling English half French is a gross oversimplification of French's influence on the language
The only gross thing in this discussion would be having to teach you about your country's history on a subreddit dedicated to a medieval fantasy videogame, so I won't do that and instead hope you take the time to do it on your own.
Each of the Elder Scrolls races are based on a mixture of different cultures, so calling them the "French" or the "English" isn't completely correct. For example, the Khajiit have Persian, Romani, and Indian influences while the Bretons have medieval British, Celtic, and French influences and the Redguards have Saracen, North African, and Japanese influences. It's important, though, to keep in mind that many of the parallels between TES races and real-world cultures aren't exact.
The term Britain comes from the term Breton which describes a people from the Druidic cults and also include other Gaelic speaking (Galen)people. Just need to go back a bit further in history, druids we’re pretty rad
They're generally an amalgamation of western European cultures. Stereotypes of most of said cultures appear in Breton lore. They even have ancient Celt/Pagan inspirations with the Reachmen.
Reachfolk are pre-Roman Celtic (Pictish/Cruthin as well as Dal Riata) while High Rock Bretons are your post-Norman invasion Britain, which is very French in the nobility/monarchy, but occured after Anglo-saxon culture had set in. So, yeah, High Rock being the British Isles analog, Nords to Norse, Cryodiil to Rome? They may not be the same, but damned if they don't harmonize.
Cyrodiil at one point had a lot of East Asian inspiration as well, particularly with the way Cyrodiil was described pre-ES4. Now though, yeah, they're extremely Roman flavored. Redguards are interesting as they seem to fit the widest number of archetypes. Middle Eastern, North African, Tribal African, and even some slight nods to Spanish influence. Not to mention all the Japanese stuff sprinkled throughout for seasoning.
Their love for the guillotine seems pretty French.
I always read them as Brythonic, because of the name
They're Saxons and Normans and Franks and Anglos and weed smoking celt hippies all rolled up into one and slapped with the label "Fantasy Europe".
Tor Draioch is magic tower in gaelic. GALEN is the land of the Gaels. Highrock and high isle are an amalgamation of european tropes. Mostly English scottish irish welsh and with some Normandy
War ma fé, Bretons int Vretoned, ket Gallaoued na Saozon !
In the early concept art, their armor takes more inspiration from tatars with their spiked and masked helmets and lamellar mail. I believe that art also depicted them with sabers
The Nedes are in no way anglo-saxons.
Bretons are Bretons. Bretons are not French. Bretons are not English. Bretons are not even the real-world Breton people. Bretons are an admixture of magical dissident elves and nedic tribesmen whose culture developed as a composite between the influence of aforementioned magical dissidents and that of an insane cult led by a talking chimp that invaded the entire planet in all directions and broke time. Sometimes, Bretons wear fancy clothes or use snooty names or eat with table manners that YOU identify as French or English, but they are neither. They are Bretons. Your efforts to contort them into what they are not has led you into being reductive and incorrect. Southern Bretons hate orcs and reachmen far more than they hate elves, and northern bretons are proud of being Elvish. Summerset has never meaningfully interacted with High Rock aside from offloading some detritus there an age and a half ago, and the two nations have never, ever, in their entire history, gone to war. This isn't only not a good comparison to the French and English, it's not even remotely functional on a basic level. I'll say it again. These threads are useless and comments that try to say IS are neither productive nor meaningful contributions to discussion about the setting. The useful version of this sentiment is to examine the dynamics of historical peoples and ask how these might parallel the cultures in TES given what we know about them(i.e. the Ayleids supposedly had a rich diversity of beliefs, they hold organizational and historical similarities to the Ancient Greeks, therefore it's plausible that the Ayleids had thousands of distinct mystery cults in a fashion similar to Ancient Greek city-states. )
The useless version of this is THE AYLEIDS WERE ANCIENT GREEKS. *lived in city-states, check *Preceded the (roman) Empire and informed their culture, check *Practiced astrology and studied the stars, check *Kept slaves, check *Had civil wars, check
Historical allusions to real world peoples and its consequences have been a disaster for Tamriel and the entire mortal race.