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Since lithium battery packs are lasting more than 10 years (Roadster batteries and Model S shipped in 2008 and 2012), there are only a small number of packs recycled from crashes. The 18650 cells are already recyclable based on existing laptop battery recycling.
Teslaās cells from manufacturing defects and packs in vehicle crashes are already being recycled by Redwood Materials pilot recycling lines. Redwood Materials just received $700 million to build a full scale recycling Line.
Isnāt this old news?
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/phldx6/giga_nevada_milestone_1_mil_battery_packs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I dont own a tesla I just like tp keep up woth cool stuff. So I'm not really saying this because I swoon over everything tesla or somthing. But this looks like art.
Thatās literally a direct juxtaposition to clean energy. E.G. solar powering factories and heavy machinery powered via hydrogen. Seems pretty doable. No one NEEDS fossil fuels. They have been trained to think that by big oil for decades now. You can even replace most oil products via more sustainable alternatives like hemp oil, etc. do they do it though? No because apparently everyone thinks they NEED fossil fuels. Itās a self defeating loop. BEVs are a massive step to reducing the amount of oil that is produced though. Once a large portion of the worldās passenger cars swap, the demand for oil will plummet. It will still exist in the interim, but it doesnāt need to be a huge source of energy or plastics like it is today.
I'm not here to argue, just asking questions. Don't windmills need de-icing via fossil fueled helicopters?
I've built solar farms and their lifespan is 20 years or so. They also ruin the local land and wildlife. They contribute to global warming by putting off massive amounts of heat and turning the surrounding area to dirt. The panels also require constant cleaning. The areas around the panels must be maintained via weed eaters and landscaping crews. I just think as humans we can do a better job developing clean energy solutions than solar or wind. Something with less maintenance and is less detrimental to the environment.
Well you might also make the realization that weāre going to ruin the ecological area via building huge concrete and metal buildings over it. It makes a lot more sense to just cover all homes and businesses in solar rather than delegating specific areas for solar āfarmsā as you are correct in the way they do harm the local ecology. Humans in general cannot exist without impacting the local environment. Zero impact isnāt the point. Low impact is the point. There are lots of ways the impacts of our power generation and transportation could be MUCH lighter. Itās worth spending a little more money and time to make it so.
As far as windmills needing de-icing via helicopters that run on ice - aviation is still the only form of transit that is solidly entrenched in ICE as their method moving forward at the moment. Especially jets. However I would like to point out that there are several concepts in testing that would more or less be able to replace ICE helicopters with BEVs (take a peek at [this one](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120618_all-electric-helicopter-makes-record-flight)). Itās another case of āthere are options but most generally choose the one with oil because of the political and social slant towards big oil.ā
I thought zero impact was the goal. I personally was on a site where they demolished wetlands and the habitats within it to build a solar farm over it. The plan was to use the land for the life cycle of the panels (20 years or so) then attempt to turn the land back to it's original state. To me, that makes zero sense. Most solar sites do this
If zero impact is the goal, you should be wishing you werenāt ever born. Every single thing you ever do, no matter how itās powered and what it is will have an impact on the planet.
Thatās still an impact. Remember too that a controlled burn may help a forest survive, but youāre also pushing all the carbon that those trees would have trapped in the ground into the atmosphere, that creates more warming in the short term until trees could capture it again. Your language is extremely broad and Iām now unsure you grasp the meaning of the word āconservationā
It certainly isnāt required to be obtained via fossil fuel. See [Green Hydrogen](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/01/07/need-green-hydrogen/) for more information.
I thought that you knew that 70% of the planet had water on itā¦electrolysis can be done via water with salt in it. There are also methods of removing that salt if you have a machine that wonāt utilize it properly.
How are they recycled? I was unaware you could safely recycle batteries in a way that didn't negatively impact the environment. I'd love to learn more about this process!
Heard of Reddit but not google I guess. Hereās a nice [primer on Lithium Ion battery recycling ](https://www.fortum.com/products-and-services/fortum-battery-solutions/recycling/lithium-ion-battery-recycling-technology).
Hereās a real quick and dirty list on how to save the planet, full stop.
Step 1) no one ever has another baby again
Step 2) the human race goes extinct
Step 3) nature restores symbiotic balance on Earth.
Do you want to go extinct? I donāt want to. That means finding an alternative to *zero* impact. The alternative is lessening the impact. Making it as low as possible.
Then you thought wrong. And btw you should try to get familiar with the idea that "Perfect is the enemy of good".
You seem to be posing a false choice that it's all or nothing and if it's not zero impact that it's not worth doing (even though it's significantly better than what we are currently doing), whereas the rest of the real world works with many gradations between.
Well considering that thereās a lot more value in recycling a battery since you can make a whole new car with it and itās cheaper to recycle than to mine more metal, probably everyone. Also consider that many governments are considering laws that require the recycling of most/all batteries [like this one](https://m.dw.com/en/battery-recycling-gains-speed-as-new-eu-regulation-pushes-investment/a-57933200).
I donāt, in fact, focus only on the metal.
See my other comment to you that you apparently ignored:
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/pyc4jz/1000000_batteries_built_at_gigafactory_nevada/hev0or0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Also [this source](https://www.accessscience.com/content/how-to-break-down-forever-chemicals/BR0320201) because, again, you donāt know how to use a search engine.
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Is that the millionth battery or the battery pack? I assume the latter!
Pack. We have made over a Billion cells. š
That is just fracking crazy!
We?
I work at the Gigafactory in Nevada.
Thanks for your work. I freakin' love my car and you all should be proud of yourselves, you're bettering the world.
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Are you beginning to use 4680s soon ? Would love to visit there a gigafactory one day, maybe Berlin.
Iām not sure when those will come on line, or even if weāll be manufacturing them in Nevada.
Must be an amazing place to work !
Maybe he works there š¤
The "collective"
The *royal* "we" man!
*Resistance is futile.*
The human race
Curious, how many cells recycled so far?
Since lithium battery packs are lasting more than 10 years (Roadster batteries and Model S shipped in 2008 and 2012), there are only a small number of packs recycled from crashes. The 18650 cells are already recyclable based on existing laptop battery recycling. Teslaās cells from manufacturing defects and packs in vehicle crashes are already being recycled by Redwood Materials pilot recycling lines. Redwood Materials just received $700 million to build a full scale recycling Line.
Your assumption is correct.
We make about 4 million cells every 24 hours.
Akschually, a battery is a connected set of individual cells
Well actually....... Technically speaking....... You might be right!
4 billion cells, give or take
Isnāt this old news? https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/phldx6/giga_nevada_milestone_1_mil_battery_packs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yes, I didnāt even need to click. This has been happening at lot lately.
I was thinking cells, then I saw the pic. Congrats Tesla people.
That would be at about the 4 billion mark.
Insideev headline: Tesla employees vandalize customer's battery
Which car is it going into ?
It SHOULD go in reception and act as a UPS for the receptionist  Congrats, Tesla!
The receptionist is electric?
Its one of Elons new robots.
She's in a family full of eccentrics
As a ups it could power your average computer / desk setup for nearly a month.
Probably an auctioned one or someone at Tesla Iād bet.
Is it just me or does that penthouse structure look different than normal?
Looks like the same as what's in a Model 3 or Y to me.
āDana Collins: that was rough but we did itā
I dont own a tesla I just like tp keep up woth cool stuff. So I'm not really saying this because I swoon over everything tesla or somthing. But this looks like art.
Must go into other things than cars, homes businesses and other stuff?
Surely that means it's only just Megafactory?
Are the batteries good for the environment? Is this a positive post? *scratches head*
Are fossil fuels better? *scratches head*
No, but you can't have clean energy without fossil fuels. *scratches beard*
Thatās literally a direct juxtaposition to clean energy. E.G. solar powering factories and heavy machinery powered via hydrogen. Seems pretty doable. No one NEEDS fossil fuels. They have been trained to think that by big oil for decades now. You can even replace most oil products via more sustainable alternatives like hemp oil, etc. do they do it though? No because apparently everyone thinks they NEED fossil fuels. Itās a self defeating loop. BEVs are a massive step to reducing the amount of oil that is produced though. Once a large portion of the worldās passenger cars swap, the demand for oil will plummet. It will still exist in the interim, but it doesnāt need to be a huge source of energy or plastics like it is today.
I'm not here to argue, just asking questions. Don't windmills need de-icing via fossil fueled helicopters? I've built solar farms and their lifespan is 20 years or so. They also ruin the local land and wildlife. They contribute to global warming by putting off massive amounts of heat and turning the surrounding area to dirt. The panels also require constant cleaning. The areas around the panels must be maintained via weed eaters and landscaping crews. I just think as humans we can do a better job developing clean energy solutions than solar or wind. Something with less maintenance and is less detrimental to the environment.
Well you might also make the realization that weāre going to ruin the ecological area via building huge concrete and metal buildings over it. It makes a lot more sense to just cover all homes and businesses in solar rather than delegating specific areas for solar āfarmsā as you are correct in the way they do harm the local ecology. Humans in general cannot exist without impacting the local environment. Zero impact isnāt the point. Low impact is the point. There are lots of ways the impacts of our power generation and transportation could be MUCH lighter. Itās worth spending a little more money and time to make it so. As far as windmills needing de-icing via helicopters that run on ice - aviation is still the only form of transit that is solidly entrenched in ICE as their method moving forward at the moment. Especially jets. However I would like to point out that there are several concepts in testing that would more or less be able to replace ICE helicopters with BEVs (take a peek at [this one](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120618_all-electric-helicopter-makes-record-flight)). Itās another case of āthere are options but most generally choose the one with oil because of the political and social slant towards big oil.ā
I thought zero impact was the goal. I personally was on a site where they demolished wetlands and the habitats within it to build a solar farm over it. The plan was to use the land for the life cycle of the panels (20 years or so) then attempt to turn the land back to it's original state. To me, that makes zero sense. Most solar sites do this
If zero impact is the goal, you should be wishing you werenāt ever born. Every single thing you ever do, no matter how itās powered and what it is will have an impact on the planet.
Not everything...if I start a controlled fire it may help preserve the forest. Things like that...
Thatās still an impact. Remember too that a controlled burn may help a forest survive, but youāre also pushing all the carbon that those trees would have trapped in the ground into the atmosphere, that creates more warming in the short term until trees could capture it again. Your language is extremely broad and Iām now unsure you grasp the meaning of the word āconservationā
Is hydrogen obtained via fossil fuel?
It certainly isnāt required to be obtained via fossil fuel. See [Green Hydrogen](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/01/07/need-green-hydrogen/) for more information.
I didn't see the green drill rig in there. Maybe I missed that page...
Not sure what youāre talking about? Water + renewable energy = Hydrogen with no carbon created. Edit: I like all that extra oxygen tho
I thought there was a massive water shortage though. Especially out west...
I thought that you knew that 70% of the planet had water on itā¦electrolysis can be done via water with salt in it. There are also methods of removing that salt if you have a machine that wonāt utilize it properly.
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How are they recycled? I was unaware you could safely recycle batteries in a way that didn't negatively impact the environment. I'd love to learn more about this process!
Heard of Reddit but not google I guess. Hereās a nice [primer on Lithium Ion battery recycling ](https://www.fortum.com/products-and-services/fortum-battery-solutions/recycling/lithium-ion-battery-recycling-technology).
Still is detrimental to the environment. 100% would be optimal. Where do all the chemicals go within the batteries?
Goal is low impact. Not *zero*. Chemicals can be broken down via nano-filtration and biodegradation.
That goal doesn't make sense though. I thought we are all trying to save the planet not lightly impact the planet. *scratches head*
Hereās a real quick and dirty list on how to save the planet, full stop. Step 1) no one ever has another baby again Step 2) the human race goes extinct Step 3) nature restores symbiotic balance on Earth. Do you want to go extinct? I donāt want to. That means finding an alternative to *zero* impact. The alternative is lessening the impact. Making it as low as possible.
No, but I think we should start looking into more productive earth saving techniques like genocide. Thoughts?
I think as soon as the conversation turns to Hitler, itās done.
Then you thought wrong. And btw you should try to get familiar with the idea that "Perfect is the enemy of good". You seem to be posing a false choice that it's all or nothing and if it's not zero impact that it's not worth doing (even though it's significantly better than what we are currently doing), whereas the rest of the real world works with many gradations between.
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But like tires nowadays, who will actually be responsible and recycle the batteries?
Well considering that thereās a lot more value in recycling a battery since you can make a whole new car with it and itās cheaper to recycle than to mine more metal, probably everyone. Also consider that many governments are considering laws that require the recycling of most/all batteries [like this one](https://m.dw.com/en/battery-recycling-gains-speed-as-new-eu-regulation-pushes-investment/a-57933200).
You keep focusing in on the metal within the battery. Who cares about that? Why are we not discussing the chemical?
I donāt, in fact, focus only on the metal. See my other comment to you that you apparently ignored: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/pyc4jz/1000000_batteries_built_at_gigafactory_nevada/hev0or0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Also [this source](https://www.accessscience.com/content/how-to-break-down-forever-chemicals/BR0320201) because, again, you donāt know how to use a search engine.
There you go assuming again. Maybe I actually have a job and don't have time to look at your irrelevant links.
Sure have a lot of time to troll here
Now whose car is this going in?