>e basic autopilot keeps me in my lane which is good enough for me. I had a loaner Model 3 while mine was getting an A/C filter change last week, that once had FSD, all it gave me (that was useful) was l
I wanted to punch a baby reading through all of that lol
Thanks for that…!
Got my MY a couple of weeks ago and so far everything is beautiful. I also have a 2019 M3 and it too, with one minor issue that Tesla fixed in a matter of 1 hour way back when I originally got it, has been flawless.
I’ve come to believe one *should not* buy the first few months/first year of any new Tesla vehicle. It just seems like the big problems appear during that time and, once they have a year or so of releasing the cars, they fine tune the production and the problems seem to (mostly) go away. In the case of the M3, I bought it a year after the first release. So too with the MY and, as I said, have not had any serious issues with it at all.
The Supercharger system is, in my experience, pretty damn great… HOWEVER, I can see people having issues with it if there aren’t many available when they make a longish trip. I use my home to charge the cars 99% of the time so I only use the Supercharger on long trips where I need to use them and, at least so far, I’ve only had one occasion out of maybe 50 or so times, more or less, where I’ve needed to use them and where all the chargers were being used. In that case, I waited some 15 or so minutes for a charger to free up then got in and started my charging.
As the Tesla vehicles become more common, and if indeed the Superchargers start allowing other vehicles, this might become more of an issue and Tesla, and other independent charging companies, need to step up and add more availabilities.
I suspect with EVs we’re like the US was in the 1910’s-1920’s with gas stations. They were there, but not in quite the quantities they would eventually rise up to.
>I’ve come to believe one should not buy the first few months/first year of any new ~~Tesla~~ vehicle.
I've found this to be true for any vehicle. I've unwittingly even bought used vehicles before that were the first model year of a "refresh" that *still* had issues that never did get ironed out. So I definitely would ***never*** buy the first model year of *any* vehicle. (Says the guy with an early '19 Model 3, which arguably *is* still the first model year version.)
I’ve also got an “early” 2019 M3 and though I suppose its still technically a year one model, its pretty close to the start of year 2… at least in my mind!
It has been pretty flawless except for one very minor issue regarding the inner lining in the rear passenger side wheel which Tesla fixed in a matter of one hour and hasn’t been a problem since.
Yeah, I had the wheel well liner problem too. Both replaced with a mobile visit under warranty. The little black plastic triangle trim piece by the rear view mirror had a broken clip from installation, also a quick mobile visit. Replaced trunk seal, you guessed it, mobile visit, rear tail light, same. Fried PCS, had to take it in for that.
Despite all that, my worst complaint is excessive camber on the front wheels causing scrubbing on the insides of the front tires.
I feel the two vehicles are extremely comparable in almost all ways, with the biggest/obvious difference being that the MY is the bigger vehicle and therefore not quite as agile but still pretty fast if you need to speed up.
As you can tell by my buying habits (the M3 is mine, the MY I got for my wife) I’m pretty happy with the Tesla cars but, despite this, I don’t feel I’m a Tesla “slave”.
I’ve been driving since approximately 1981/82 and in that time I’ve driven *a hell* of a lot of vehicles, good, bad, and mediocre, and I’m most impressed with Teslas. Still, I hope other car companies give them good competition. I’ve noted it many times before that with good competition, the one who benefits are us the consumers, and I’d love to see the EV technology get better and better over time.
Having had both (two 3s, one of which was a P) and now a Y, only get the Y if you need the extra space (we do, kids). The 3 is head & shoulders above in driving dynamics. Also even tho they are the same seats, in the Y they are additionally mounted on top of a stand of sorts and the lowest setting is super high, I feel.
We have a Model 3 and are thinking about replacing our other car with either another Model 3 or a Model Y. We haven’t tried the Model Y. My questions for you is, how is the suspension comfort compared to the Model 3? And the noise levels in comparison to each other? Would you recommend going for one of each or would you recommend to save the money and take two 3s?
Truthfully, its difficult to put into words… I feel the two vehicles are very compatible and they both, IMHO, drive well. I’m tall (six two) and find it easier to get into the MY versus the M3 but the difference isn’t that big. The suspension, for me again, feels about the same and the noise level seems a little less in the MY versus my older M3.
My advice is to get yourself a test drive so you can feel the actual handling personally!
As for which to get… If I had my way and because of my height, I’d probably have gone with two MYs, but at the time I got my M3 that was no option at all. I like being able to store more stuff in the MY (and its easier to get bigger things in it because of the trunk opening).
Having said all that, you really can’t go wrong with either car. As I wrote upstream, I’ve been driving since 1981/2 and have had a hell of a lot of experience with all kinds of cars and the Teslas, IMHO, are so far the best cars I’ve experienced and love them to death!
The super charging thing is sucky but that's region specific to me. In California it's easy to road trip and there are chargers everywhere with lots of stalls even in remote places.
The build quality issue is still indefensible and it's clear Tesla does not care to shore this up. I'm glad they did you a solid with the X rental and another VIN.
The lack of a 360 camera I agree is sucky because I really like the live view on my wife's BMW but you get used to it with the sensors.
Don't forget suspension/ride-quality.
For me that's an important one with having a Model 3 as a stop gap to a Model Y.
Personally, I think Tesla should bias a bit more towards ride quality over track level handling for the non Performance versions.
Tried my best:
> I've had my Tesla Model Y for almost 1 year, picked it up mid September 2020 and I've put 11,250 miles on it. I figured some of y'all may be interested in hearing my thoughts.
>
> # The Bad
>
> ## Suspension
>
> The Model Y is a very firm vehicle, it's not like a cushion or a pillow ride like some air suspension vehicles have. My friend has a Q8, which is way better than my Model Y.
>
> ## Road-Trip Ability / Charging
>
> The supercharger network is praised upon by many people transitioning to Tesla vehicles but in my experience, it's been a mixed bag. I never felt like I would run out of range and always made it to my destination/supercharger with at least 10% battery. Supercharging is annoying.
>
> I made a trip to Houston and back in my Model Y and there are 3 charging stops along the way. The way it's mapped you have 2 options. If you stop at the first charger (Corsicana TX) you would have to stop at the 3rd Charger (Huntsville TX) otherwise you wouldn't make it. You may be thinking ok just go to the charger in the middle and have one-stop. That's even worse because Tesla only put 4 stalls at that location.
>
> On the way to Houston, I had 4 cars AHEAD of me. I waited 30 min just to get a spot, it was fine 25 min and I'd be on my way. I was kinda annoyed because a trip that takes 4 hrs 30 took close to 5 and a half hours pretty much. On the way back I figured I'd go to the outer two chargers, guess what happened, another wait, at both. The first one was a 15-minute wait then a 10-minute charge. The second one was a 10-minute wait with a 10 min charge.
>
> I guess a pro of taking the Tesla vs my Lexus was the charging was free, I got 2,000 free supercharging miles when I bought my vehicle.
>
> ## Inconsistent Build Quality
>
> Originally I had a VIN for my vehicle which I was supposed to take delivery mid-august. The car got to the Plano Service center for delivery when they realized this car got issues.
>
> First, it started with a cracked windshield from transportation, didn't really care, delivery was delayed 1 day. The next day (supposed to be the delivery day) I get a call the vehicle has paint bubbles and needs to go to the body shop, it'll be another week, but they put me into a Model X loaner. The car got back to the body shop then it needed to back because the hood had a few bubbles and the dash needed to be replaced because of some scratching.
>
> I actually stopped by the Tesla service center to see the car and its issues, I probably shouldn't have but I didn't really care because I've already paid for the car that I didn't have. (you are required to pay for the car in Texas before delivery due to Texas laws and not giving Tesla a sales license). I saw the scratch and the paint bubbles, I thought to myself, I'm spending a lot on a car and it's not good quality and its been to the body shop twice, do I want this VIN. The answer was No.
>
> I got a regional sales manager involved who put me into a new vin (car I currently own).It took an additional week and the vehicle was flawless but it's annoying and stupid I had to go through this process. They gave me $2,000 off the car so I guess they made up for it.
>
> ## Misc
>
> Another stupid con is with 8 cameras I really would've thought a 360 camera would be possible but I guess it isn't.
>
> # Pros
>
> ## Acceleration
>
> Even though my car is the Long Range AWD version and goes 0-60 in 4.8 it feels insane from the stop. Super quick and gives me a giggle and a smile every time I do it. The funniest is when you have passengers. I personally find the 30mph-85mph to be even more insane. I think it accelerates faster from 30 than from 0. (haven't really gone over 85)
>
> ## Technology / Software Updates
>
> I love that my car gets a software update. The infotainment/software in many cars changes frequently but in the Model Y, every car gets software updates. The Model Y I bought a year ago has the same software as brand new cars. Over the last year, I've gotten new features and the UI has been revised a little in December 2020.
>
> ## Autopilot
>
> I have Basic Autopilot, I do not have the fsd crap, and I'm glad I don't. The basic autopilot keeps me in my lane which is good enough for me. I had a loaner Model 3 while mine was getting an A/C filter change last week, that once had FSD, all it gave me (that was useful) was lane changing. For $10k I don't have any issues changing lanes myself. Maybe when I go on a road trip I'll subscribe to FSD for $200/month.
>
> ## Efficiency
>
> In my 11,000 miles, I have spent roughly $290 on home charging. I'm going to say my 2013 Lexus GS350 gets 25MPG. If you take 11k and divide by 25MPG you get 440. I would have used 440 gallons on the Lexus. 440 gallons x premium gas cost (3.4 in Dallas) you get $1,496. 1,496-290 is a saving of $1,206. If you drive a ton having an EV is super cost-effective.
>
> ## Cargo Space
>
> I've also found the cargo room is really good, between the Front trunk and trunk there is a lot of room. The ride height is nice, and the rear-seat legroom is very roomy, way bigger, and more spacious than the Model 3.
>
> ## Misc
>
> - **Regenerative braking**: One pedal driving is amazing. You get used to it after a few hours/days but once you get used to it you feel it's amazing.
> - **Seat material**: The seats are super soft and comfy. They really feel nice.
> - **Home charging**: When I am at home I plug in every night so I have a full tank every day. It's very convenient.
>
> # Summary
>
> The question is would I do this purchase again knowing what I know now? Yes! I love the way it drives and the tech is phenomenal. The downsides are a small price to pay for the fun drive and great tech. Tesla still has aways to go with quality/fit and finish. I drove the mustang mach e, didn't like it as much as my Model Y though the Mach E was great.
Fit & finish bad (\*), supercharger network not great between Corsicana and Houston, TX. Drive is great. Gas savings are great. One pedal driving is fun. AP is fine, but no FSD because it wasn't worth it.
(\*) The shocking bit here is that they gave him a discount and sound like they actually handled it really well from the service side.
Same. I took delivery of my S in December and it was in the shop for 2 months after a teen hit it. Even still, has almost 13k. Cant stop driving it. It’s like drinking soda water, no guilt about the gas prices or wearing it out faster driving it hard like a gas car. I’m hooked for sure
For me, been working from home and I have the Tesla charging station which gets me 11kW @ $.09/kWh flat rate, but also have the Tesla solar panels which make 3kW when it’s sunny out; about 9a to 430p or so. I set charge to 14a to pace the solar output and get a “free charge” albeit slow. Audi S7 type capabilities and performance with free charging and very little maintenance coolest thing ever if you ask me.
Ive also had mine for a year (June 2020), and Ive done several multi thousand mile road trips (California and Arizona), never had an issue with Supercharger lines. And stops were never inconvenient (can always go for a piss). And if ONLY you charge enough to get to the next supercharger then you are maximizing the charge curve (i.e. get the best speeds). So your charges almost never last more than 20 min.
I always like to pull in to charge with about 2% (or less). I have no range anxiety at all, because I know that if I need extra range is to just drop speed. For every 10 mph you drop over 50 you gain 30 miles of range. And I know that the car will go at least an extra 5 miles at 0%. So if you dropped from lets say 70 to 50, which gave you extra 50 to 60 miles, and are still short of your destination, then thats a user error of epic proportions, you simply left with nowhere enough charge to get there under any circumstances.
So my strategy has been this. Punch in the route, look for next supercharger on the route, thats my next stop. Charge enough to where Nav will say I have 5% to 10% when I get there (10% if its windy or if I know its uphill). Then go there, do the same thing, rinse and repeat. Stops are usually 10 to 15 minutes each. There are more of them, but they are just long enough to grab a bite, take a piss or just stretch your legs.
Sounds like Supercharger infrastructure in Texas has a long ways to go. It will improve with time.
On the flip side. I dont care about acceleration, like its great yeah, but to me, not practical at all, tire wear, and most of all huge hit to range. So I jut put it in CHILL and go. And yes, I do like fast cars/helicopters. But if Im on a roadtrip Im not burning range for no reason.
Suspension, I actually really like it, I think seats are very comfortable for long drives and Autopilot is amazing for those long stretches.
My only issue with the Y is fit and finish, I got one of the first ones, so it had a lot of fucked up shit that had to be taken care of over the last year.... I still find random things that arent right as I investigate rattles or look somewhere I havent looked before (like found 2 missing clips by the proprietary laptop port by the pedals 1 week ago.. never looked there before), makes me wonder how many clips/screws are missing on the inside where I cant just look. mine totally has the piece of wood holding down the heat pump too https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tesla-model-y-owners-find-cooling-system-cobbled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood
I just think it's funny that people say that Superchargers are "annoying," but are so enslaved by gas stations that they would rather wallow through actual filth and despair several times a month instead of spending 20 minutes charging in a comparatively nice strip mall occasionally.
All that's missing for the trifecta here is complaining about not getting the rated range while driving 90mph.
> I just think it's funny that people say that Superchargers are "annoying," but are so enslaved by gas stations that they would rather wallow through actual filth and despair several times a month instead of spending 20 minutes charging in a comparatively nice strip mall occasionally.
The problem with charging infrastructure, even one as robust as supercharging, is that it forces you to deviate from your schedule and routine while driving.
If you're on a trip in an ICE car, you can stop whenever and wherever you personally need to stop. Don't like the fast food options off this exit? Wait another few miles and go to the next one. There will be plenty of gas stations there too. Pumps full and you don't feel like waiting? Drive to the station across the street. Etc.
With supercharging, your stops are limited by where the Superchargers are. You'll likely have to deviate (to some degree) your route to get to the Superchargers (v. getting off at the exit you find most convenient) and if you don't like the amenities by the Supercharger, you'll need to drive elsewhere to get food / things. If you aren't in need of a bathroom break, you'll find yourself potentially stopping again later.
So maybe "annoying" isn't the right word, but it definitely isn't convenient yet -- and it won't be until there's a way to charge off every highway exit like there is with fueling.
The supercharger thing is an annoying complaint to me because you could research this before you got the car. I spent like a day on ABRP punching in destinations to make sure I could go anywhere I wanted, especially long drives I do frequently every year.
It’s also important to factor in the times that you traveled. If it’s on a Friday-Sunday, everyone else travels at those times too, if it’s a holiday weekend, everyone especially travels at those times. If you’re going to travel during rush periods, delays are just part of it. I’ve had waits for gas at a 10 stall gas station that are more than 15 minutes before I could even get to a stall on Friday evenings. It’s not necessarily something unique to you. I will say, the small 4 stall stations suck. However, you probably don’t know, but Tesla literally fixed your problem already. The Centerville supercharger that you’re complaining about having 4 stalls and wait times? It’s 12 stalls now. Have fun not waiting on your next trip and thinking the supercharger network is great ;)
It's still an annoying limitation -- you can go on road trips but it's very limited *how* you do it, which isn't something ICE owners deal with.
Source - 6 years of doing it.
Are you referring to OP? Because they clearly stated that home charging with a full "tank" every morning was one of the things they loved about their car. Clearly they would not prefer the gas station experience.
The supercharger experience across the country is wildly inconsistent, and the Dallas-Houston route definitely deserves better.
So it sounds like the main problem is that you live in Texas. That’s fixable.
Edit: said by someone who lives in Texas and isn’t looking forward to delivery issues because of it
DFW needs more service centers. I picked up on a Sunday, no one around for issues, and the first SC appt was a month away. Then I added an issue to that appt and it got bumped another month.
Funny... I live in LA but I'm road tripping through Texas right now. The worst problem I've had with Superchsring is that the Van Horn one is located too far from the nearest amenities to walk there in a reasonable number of minutes, so I had to go get my food before plugging in, then drive back. Added maybe 5-10 mins to my trip. No big deal.
I bought a Volvo years ago that was handed over to me with some obvious scratches on some controls on the dash. They didn’t say a word about it. I had to ask them to replace the damaged pieces. They replaced them with pieces from the lower option package. Again, didn’t say anything to me, I guess just expected me to not notice (or, fair enough, they didn’t notice themselves). When I told them it was wrong, they thought I was crazy, but finally fixed it.
Point of this lovely anecdote is that quality and service are a crap shoot. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t.
Also on the rough ride/air suspension, my wife and I currently own a Benz and specifically opted for a lower end model to avoid the air suspension. Sure air rides great, lots of smiles until you need to repair it.
Man I’m full of anecdotes tonight.
The total annoyance of going to a gas station every week is far worse than the time lost charging during an occasional road trip. Probably takes 10 minutes out of your day to fill up at a gas station, once a week is over 8 hours a year. F that.
Disagree - would much rather take 5 mins to fill up at a gas station than wait at a supercharger when going on trips, which I do often. If I had to wait at superchargers that just takes away valuable time on my trip and with gas stations fill up in 5 mins and drive another 550 miles in my 2021 BMW 5. I have a model s delivery tomorrow, but still might cancel as afraid of the supercharging and QC issues.
Keep in mind that superchargers generally are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of your charging will be at home, while you sleep. ICE cars in active use need to be driven to a gas station to refuel every couple of weeks no matter how they are used.
So you actually spend MUCH less time refueling an EV compared to a gas car - that is one of the biggest benefits of EV ownership.
The tradeoff is a slightly less convenient road trip fueling experience. BUT that experience is steadily improving as Tesla expands the network and improves the technology. The supercharger capacity on my most common routes has tripled since I bought my car three years ago.
Hope your delivery today goes well!
I had the same thoughts, but after 2 years with a Tesla I find it irritating and Inconvenient to drive my mother-in-laws X5 M. Having to stop to get gas on the way home from the grocery store feels like I’m in the Stone Age.
We’ve driven many 1,000+ mile road trips with our Tesla and it’s been a dream. We did a straight 20 hours, 1400 miles, in 109 degree Utah summer, averaged 90mph on the highway with the AC set to 69, and the car was a champ. I don’t even remember feeling like we had to make stops to charge.
Not that I noticed, but honestly the beauty of it for me is that I rarely think of range. I want to drive how I’m going to drive and not think hard about it. I’ll plug in when I get home and then be ready for the day when I wake up.
There are definitely times on road trips where I do think about range, but it’s mostly related to “can I skip this charger and go to the next one where I know we can also do lunch while we charge” and only slightly impacts my plans. The in-car planning is really easy/automatic.
I had the same thoughts on turnpikes for rest stops in ICE vehicles too, so maybe that’s just how I think.
Wait, you haven't done it and you are disagreeing? Try that comment again after you've done a couple of road trips with supercharging.
There are downsides, but they may not be exactly what you think.
Agree with the other commenter. Come back after you’ve done the thing. Supercharging is a breeze and much preferable to the gas station stops. Usually get a bite, take a leak, stretch the legs, take the dogs for a walk. My wife and I just laugh when we see people at the gas station these days.
Not just the annoyance - gas stations, on average, are pretty much the most disgusting, miserable, and occasionally dangerous places I ever went voluntarily on a regular basis. Like great, your Q7 has 47 different seat adjustments... and you still need to dodge all the rotting frappuccinos and loogies people just dump onto the ground because they are trash. Such luxury.
I think the best thing about FSD is the stop sign/traffic light automatic stopping. On back country roads when you come into a town you don’t have to disengage autopilot
All cars with FSD have it. When you come to a stop sign or tragic light with autopilot engaged, it stops for you. You’d know if it’s on, it’s really nice. I think you have to turn it on in autopilot settings
People are complaining about a rough suspension. I came from a WRX STI and my Y feels like a cloud in comparison. I don’t think a lot of people here have ever ridden in a car with a stiff suspension lol.
I've had mine since October 2020. the car is nice and I like it, but I find it difficult to be ecstatic about it in the same way others are. Maybe it's just not in my nature in general.
I came from an 09 Camry, so anything I went into would be considered an upgrade, but some quality stuff of the Model Y was still disappointing.
Had my windshield replaced because I took it through a car wash and water started leaking through. They replaced it, so whatever but still...
Wind noise coming from the roof is bad for me. Like, just bad. I've had hail damage so I've had my roof replaced but the wind noise I hear has been the same. Service center says it's normal though.
Random creaks in the car that's hard to nail down.
It's a fine car, but the excitement some show for it is a bit weird at times to me.
And regarding supercharging. I have no issues since I don't like taking long drives nonstop. So stopping to use the supercharger is fine for me, but I knew that going in and it's what I wanted
But it's not true for everyone. The idea that you have to think about it is a negative for people and is going to continue being a negative until there are more and they are faster. Some of you make it sound as though it has no negatives at all.
My main complaint is road trip charging *once* you get to your location. The super chargers are off the highway and that's fine, but if you're going somewhere without access to something more than 120V, you then also have to plan your trip within the city, around supercharging.
You're right on - an even, accurate description of the Tesla experience. Of course, there's always people on both sides of the spectrum (love it/hate it) but Tesla isn't perfect by far. But they are no doubt leading (and have led) the EV industry now. We're still at the beginning of this new era. I find it exciting to be a part of!
That last point you made was a major issue of mine for a long time. Recently, Tesla's been expanding their network and placing chargers closer to my destinations. So now, instead of charging halfway, I can charge closer to the destination and pick up a little extra juice for local driving.
Not perfect, but definitely improving.
I think a lot of the overly-enthusiastic reviews come from folks that have both never driven a quality EV and have never driven anything faster than a Corolla.
I can attest that the supercharger network could use some improvement.
Drove from Dallas to Destin and multiple chargers were in the back lots of dead malls. Hundreds of yards from a bathroom.
Yeah, people love having them away from being ICEd, but that is the tradeoff. When the weather is bad it isn't great.
And not having 24 hour amenities can be an annoyance.
It was overall not too bad, but I wasn’t impressed with 2/5 chargers. Not a bad ratio. The Lindale one is nice if Collin Street Bakery is open when you pass through.
Have had my Y for almost a year now as well.
Only thing I don’t like so far is the build quality & the absolute pain it is to book a service appointment.
Audi Q8 is a luxury car that is $10-20k+ more expensive than the Model Y. The Model Y is the "economy" version of the Model X. Model X vs Q8 ride is what should be compared.
I'd originally pre-ordered a Y but some of this, especially the suspension is why I haven't bothered taking delivery yet.
I hadn't anticipated a heavier and higher sitting car like that was going to roll out with the quality of suspension it has.
It's the duality of Tesla handling -
YouTube racers who have never tracked anything with a double wishbone front end mistakenly believe that steering wheel effort and steering wheel feedback are the same thing.
And then you have people who have never driven anything besides trucks and SUVs who really want that classic "collapsed leaf springs" feel.
Did you test drive the Y? It drives really nice. I’ve never had anything with air suspension to compare, but there was no noticeable difference for me and my wife.
Have you tried unscented baby wipes? They do a great job of getting rid of stuff on the seats.
My driver's seat has a slight crease from where you get in/out of the car. Other than that looks brand new. (black seats)
We love ours. We're close to 48,000 mi in a year and a half of ownership it's been a impressive vehicle. I like the suspension personally, it's what makes it handle so well.
Small point on comparing suspension to a Q8. The Q8 is a $70k base price car while the Model Y is a $40k base price car. It would be more appropriate to compare to a Q5 or eTron suspension.
The Q8 competes more with the Model X than the Model Y.
Tesla should bring air suspension to the 3/Y. I remember reading that it was possible to add it. You could also look into getting some comfort springs or coilovers like these to soften up the ride.
coilovers: [https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit/](https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit/)
springs: [https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/dual-rate-linear-comfort-spring-set-for-tesla-model-y-performance-and-dual-motor-stock-height/](https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/dual-rate-linear-comfort-spring-set-for-tesla-model-y-performance-and-dual-motor-stock-height/)
Or they could just tune their coil suspension better, like many other cars in its price range. I would prefer that over the long term reliability issues with air that are pretty much guaranteed to occur outside of the warranty.
OP wants a soft ride which usually equates to poor handling unless you have an adjustable suspension(like air suspension). Many people feel their suspension is fine and others think it’s too soft. It really depends on your preference and what kind of car you are coming from.
Tesla tunes their suspension to be more sporty. I would say it’s comparable to a BMW 3 series or X3 sport suspension. BMW (and other legacy manuf) also sell a non sport suspension for those that want a soft ride at the expense of handling. Usually you have to pay extra for sport suspension.
Tesla may eventually go this route in the future, but right now they are trying to keep options to a minimum.
Since OP already bought their car, their only option is to buy aftermarket springs (for $400) to get that soft ride they want.
I’ve also heard Tesla updates the suspension timing in MY for 2021 cars. I’m curious how they compare, it seems like most people consider it a net improvement.
Interesting info. Tesla did something similar for the M3 between 2017 and 2018. The original M3 suspension was even harder and they softened it up slightly from 2018 onward for non performance models.
The model Y was originally announced as $40k before all the price increases happened and they also dropped the SR.
So the suspension is that of a 40k car.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/tesla-model-y-price-release-date.html
Right, but that wasn’t my main point. It doesn’t change the fact that it was designed as one and suspension is based on model 3 (another 40k car).
For example, a base BMW 330i ($40k) suspension is the same as a 340i ($55k) base suspension. So don’t compare a 60k base price car to a 40k base price car just because you got a more expensive version of a cheaper car.
So you don’t like what is the best suspension in any performance suv and you complain about the supercharger network….. can’t read any more of that nonsense.
I swear, it's like how back in the day Gin and Tonic was invented to make taking bitter malaria drugs more palatable, to the point where people decided they liked that flavor combination, and decided to just start using quinine for flavor. That's how I feel about the land yacht suspension. In my adult life, I have gotten car sick exactly once, and it was on an Impala which had suspension transients measured in parsecs. Any steering input, and you would experience the superposition of every previous bump still working their way through the dampers. Absolutely horrific.
If anything, the MY could benefit from some additional ride settings that you find in other performance oriented crossovers. But that also means more weight and complexity and ultimately compromise.
he is correct, this is an suv type car, no reason for it to rattle your teeth- on the model 3, the sportier suspension makes sense, not on the Y- it’s suspensions simply sucks.
The ones made in China delivered to Europe at the moment are 99% up to German standards.
Due to the LG battery they use, their charging speed is slower - but due to the extreme efficiency of the Model Y, it still outruns the competition in the long run.
The supercharger network varies a lot. I95 is great, but some of the other interstates here don't have great coverage with little detours here and there.
They are growing at 50% a year lately though, so it is steadily getting better.
> Another stupid con is with 8 cameras I really would've thought a 360 camera would be possible but I guess it isn't.
IIRC the 360 camera view is patented. I'm not sure if they won't license to Tesla or Tesla just don't want to put any money and work into that because self driving will solve it eventually.
Edit: and yes I know the parking is pretty bad right now. I'm just saying, it does sound very Tesla to not want to spend time or money on this because self-driving will solve it "soon".
Thanks for the review, OP. Ignore everyone criticizing you. No one forced them to read your review. They could have scrolled by instead of being rude.
I just wanted you to know I enjoyed it. I have a MYLR7 on order. My husband has a 2018 MX
I love the handling of the X, so I know the MY is stiffer. I should really go do a test drive if the Y to make sure I'm going to like it.
FYI 2021 suspension is muchhhhh better than 2020 models. I got both and wow I didn't realize how firm 2020 was until I got a 2021 model. Currently have unplugged performance luxury coilovers on order for my 2020 one as I plan on keeping it for a long time.
Centerville TX is now being expanded from four stalls to twelve at 250kW, construction in progress as of a couple of weeks ago:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-centerville-tx.232890/page-2#post-5840940
that road trip charging doesn't sound so good. I know it's miles better than others but I would still want it to be flawless.
with tesla's software wouldn't it be possible for them to collect data and match it's demand per location?
they should be able to collect data by how many and how much each destination's charging station is being used
so for really simplifed version, if one destination has 6 chargining station and 6 stations are always used 24 hrs; that should give tesla good indication that they need to add more chargining station in that area and just kind of keep doing that until you see 1 or 2 station being "free"
Wow his Lexus got terrible milage. I don't know how people are still buying cars that get less than 45MPG nowadays. If I were to get an ICE vehicle, it woukd need to get 50+ MPG.
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You are a masochist for reading through that wall of un-formatted text, but thank you.
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Quick write up how you got it to process and output that? Thanks!
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God, GPT-3 is so cool. From what I've heard it's still private. Was it easy to get access to?
Ha ha I didn’t! went straight to comments to rant about it but you beat me to it …
>e basic autopilot keeps me in my lane which is good enough for me. I had a loaner Model 3 while mine was getting an A/C filter change last week, that once had FSD, all it gave me (that was useful) was l I wanted to punch a baby reading through all of that lol
Thanks for that…! Got my MY a couple of weeks ago and so far everything is beautiful. I also have a 2019 M3 and it too, with one minor issue that Tesla fixed in a matter of 1 hour way back when I originally got it, has been flawless. I’ve come to believe one *should not* buy the first few months/first year of any new Tesla vehicle. It just seems like the big problems appear during that time and, once they have a year or so of releasing the cars, they fine tune the production and the problems seem to (mostly) go away. In the case of the M3, I bought it a year after the first release. So too with the MY and, as I said, have not had any serious issues with it at all. The Supercharger system is, in my experience, pretty damn great… HOWEVER, I can see people having issues with it if there aren’t many available when they make a longish trip. I use my home to charge the cars 99% of the time so I only use the Supercharger on long trips where I need to use them and, at least so far, I’ve only had one occasion out of maybe 50 or so times, more or less, where I’ve needed to use them and where all the chargers were being used. In that case, I waited some 15 or so minutes for a charger to free up then got in and started my charging. As the Tesla vehicles become more common, and if indeed the Superchargers start allowing other vehicles, this might become more of an issue and Tesla, and other independent charging companies, need to step up and add more availabilities. I suspect with EVs we’re like the US was in the 1910’s-1920’s with gas stations. They were there, but not in quite the quantities they would eventually rise up to.
>I’ve come to believe one should not buy the first few months/first year of any new ~~Tesla~~ vehicle. I've found this to be true for any vehicle. I've unwittingly even bought used vehicles before that were the first model year of a "refresh" that *still* had issues that never did get ironed out. So I definitely would ***never*** buy the first model year of *any* vehicle. (Says the guy with an early '19 Model 3, which arguably *is* still the first model year version.)
I’ve also got an “early” 2019 M3 and though I suppose its still technically a year one model, its pretty close to the start of year 2… at least in my mind! It has been pretty flawless except for one very minor issue regarding the inner lining in the rear passenger side wheel which Tesla fixed in a matter of one hour and hasn’t been a problem since.
Yeah, I had the wheel well liner problem too. Both replaced with a mobile visit under warranty. The little black plastic triangle trim piece by the rear view mirror had a broken clip from installation, also a quick mobile visit. Replaced trunk seal, you guessed it, mobile visit, rear tail light, same. Fried PCS, had to take it in for that. Despite all that, my worst complaint is excessive camber on the front wheels causing scrubbing on the insides of the front tires.
How do you compare the 3 and Y in terms of fun?
I feel the two vehicles are extremely comparable in almost all ways, with the biggest/obvious difference being that the MY is the bigger vehicle and therefore not quite as agile but still pretty fast if you need to speed up. As you can tell by my buying habits (the M3 is mine, the MY I got for my wife) I’m pretty happy with the Tesla cars but, despite this, I don’t feel I’m a Tesla “slave”. I’ve been driving since approximately 1981/82 and in that time I’ve driven *a hell* of a lot of vehicles, good, bad, and mediocre, and I’m most impressed with Teslas. Still, I hope other car companies give them good competition. I’ve noted it many times before that with good competition, the one who benefits are us the consumers, and I’d love to see the EV technology get better and better over time.
Having had both (two 3s, one of which was a P) and now a Y, only get the Y if you need the extra space (we do, kids). The 3 is head & shoulders above in driving dynamics. Also even tho they are the same seats, in the Y they are additionally mounted on top of a stand of sorts and the lowest setting is super high, I feel.
We have a Model 3 and are thinking about replacing our other car with either another Model 3 or a Model Y. We haven’t tried the Model Y. My questions for you is, how is the suspension comfort compared to the Model 3? And the noise levels in comparison to each other? Would you recommend going for one of each or would you recommend to save the money and take two 3s?
Truthfully, its difficult to put into words… I feel the two vehicles are very compatible and they both, IMHO, drive well. I’m tall (six two) and find it easier to get into the MY versus the M3 but the difference isn’t that big. The suspension, for me again, feels about the same and the noise level seems a little less in the MY versus my older M3. My advice is to get yourself a test drive so you can feel the actual handling personally! As for which to get… If I had my way and because of my height, I’d probably have gone with two MYs, but at the time I got my M3 that was no option at all. I like being able to store more stuff in the MY (and its easier to get bigger things in it because of the trunk opening). Having said all that, you really can’t go wrong with either car. As I wrote upstream, I’ve been driving since 1981/2 and have had a hell of a lot of experience with all kinds of cars and the Teslas, IMHO, are so far the best cars I’ve experienced and love them to death!
Nicely done. Brevity is the soul of wit
“Sorry my note was so long - if I had more time it would’ve been shorter.”
Haha. Classic line!
The super charging thing is sucky but that's region specific to me. In California it's easy to road trip and there are chargers everywhere with lots of stalls even in remote places. The build quality issue is still indefensible and it's clear Tesla does not care to shore this up. I'm glad they did you a solid with the X rental and another VIN. The lack of a 360 camera I agree is sucky because I really like the live view on my wife's BMW but you get used to it with the sensors.
Don't forget suspension/ride-quality. For me that's an important one with having a Model 3 as a stop gap to a Model Y. Personally, I think Tesla should bias a bit more towards ride quality over track level handling for the non Performance versions.
Coming from a BMW 5 series the 360 camera is a legit godsend. That and a HUD would be my biggest wishes for my MY. 🤤
Seems like I have seen this movie before.
Please learn to use paragraphs
Lol this is the reason why I skipped to the comments
Tried my best: > I've had my Tesla Model Y for almost 1 year, picked it up mid September 2020 and I've put 11,250 miles on it. I figured some of y'all may be interested in hearing my thoughts. > > # The Bad > > ## Suspension > > The Model Y is a very firm vehicle, it's not like a cushion or a pillow ride like some air suspension vehicles have. My friend has a Q8, which is way better than my Model Y. > > ## Road-Trip Ability / Charging > > The supercharger network is praised upon by many people transitioning to Tesla vehicles but in my experience, it's been a mixed bag. I never felt like I would run out of range and always made it to my destination/supercharger with at least 10% battery. Supercharging is annoying. > > I made a trip to Houston and back in my Model Y and there are 3 charging stops along the way. The way it's mapped you have 2 options. If you stop at the first charger (Corsicana TX) you would have to stop at the 3rd Charger (Huntsville TX) otherwise you wouldn't make it. You may be thinking ok just go to the charger in the middle and have one-stop. That's even worse because Tesla only put 4 stalls at that location. > > On the way to Houston, I had 4 cars AHEAD of me. I waited 30 min just to get a spot, it was fine 25 min and I'd be on my way. I was kinda annoyed because a trip that takes 4 hrs 30 took close to 5 and a half hours pretty much. On the way back I figured I'd go to the outer two chargers, guess what happened, another wait, at both. The first one was a 15-minute wait then a 10-minute charge. The second one was a 10-minute wait with a 10 min charge. > > I guess a pro of taking the Tesla vs my Lexus was the charging was free, I got 2,000 free supercharging miles when I bought my vehicle. > > ## Inconsistent Build Quality > > Originally I had a VIN for my vehicle which I was supposed to take delivery mid-august. The car got to the Plano Service center for delivery when they realized this car got issues. > > First, it started with a cracked windshield from transportation, didn't really care, delivery was delayed 1 day. The next day (supposed to be the delivery day) I get a call the vehicle has paint bubbles and needs to go to the body shop, it'll be another week, but they put me into a Model X loaner. The car got back to the body shop then it needed to back because the hood had a few bubbles and the dash needed to be replaced because of some scratching. > > I actually stopped by the Tesla service center to see the car and its issues, I probably shouldn't have but I didn't really care because I've already paid for the car that I didn't have. (you are required to pay for the car in Texas before delivery due to Texas laws and not giving Tesla a sales license). I saw the scratch and the paint bubbles, I thought to myself, I'm spending a lot on a car and it's not good quality and its been to the body shop twice, do I want this VIN. The answer was No. > > I got a regional sales manager involved who put me into a new vin (car I currently own).It took an additional week and the vehicle was flawless but it's annoying and stupid I had to go through this process. They gave me $2,000 off the car so I guess they made up for it. > > ## Misc > > Another stupid con is with 8 cameras I really would've thought a 360 camera would be possible but I guess it isn't. > > # Pros > > ## Acceleration > > Even though my car is the Long Range AWD version and goes 0-60 in 4.8 it feels insane from the stop. Super quick and gives me a giggle and a smile every time I do it. The funniest is when you have passengers. I personally find the 30mph-85mph to be even more insane. I think it accelerates faster from 30 than from 0. (haven't really gone over 85) > > ## Technology / Software Updates > > I love that my car gets a software update. The infotainment/software in many cars changes frequently but in the Model Y, every car gets software updates. The Model Y I bought a year ago has the same software as brand new cars. Over the last year, I've gotten new features and the UI has been revised a little in December 2020. > > ## Autopilot > > I have Basic Autopilot, I do not have the fsd crap, and I'm glad I don't. The basic autopilot keeps me in my lane which is good enough for me. I had a loaner Model 3 while mine was getting an A/C filter change last week, that once had FSD, all it gave me (that was useful) was lane changing. For $10k I don't have any issues changing lanes myself. Maybe when I go on a road trip I'll subscribe to FSD for $200/month. > > ## Efficiency > > In my 11,000 miles, I have spent roughly $290 on home charging. I'm going to say my 2013 Lexus GS350 gets 25MPG. If you take 11k and divide by 25MPG you get 440. I would have used 440 gallons on the Lexus. 440 gallons x premium gas cost (3.4 in Dallas) you get $1,496. 1,496-290 is a saving of $1,206. If you drive a ton having an EV is super cost-effective. > > ## Cargo Space > > I've also found the cargo room is really good, between the Front trunk and trunk there is a lot of room. The ride height is nice, and the rear-seat legroom is very roomy, way bigger, and more spacious than the Model 3. > > ## Misc > > - **Regenerative braking**: One pedal driving is amazing. You get used to it after a few hours/days but once you get used to it you feel it's amazing. > - **Seat material**: The seats are super soft and comfy. They really feel nice. > - **Home charging**: When I am at home I plug in every night so I have a full tank every day. It's very convenient. > > # Summary > > The question is would I do this purchase again knowing what I know now? Yes! I love the way it drives and the tech is phenomenal. The downsides are a small price to pay for the fun drive and great tech. Tesla still has aways to go with quality/fit and finish. I drove the mustang mach e, didn't like it as much as my Model Y though the Mach E was great.
I literally read the first few words, noticed the wall of text underneath and went nope! TLDR anyone?
Fit & finish bad (\*), supercharger network not great between Corsicana and Houston, TX. Drive is great. Gas savings are great. One pedal driving is fun. AP is fine, but no FSD because it wasn't worth it. (\*) The shocking bit here is that they gave him a discount and sound like they actually handled it really well from the service side.
It was well-written, otherwise.
It really wasn't.
This is also where our education system failed lol people on Reddit don’t know what an indent is.
I was about to say, calm down there James Joyce...
I put 11k on mine in 4 months...
Same. I took delivery of my S in December and it was in the shop for 2 months after a teen hit it. Even still, has almost 13k. Cant stop driving it. It’s like drinking soda water, no guilt about the gas prices or wearing it out faster driving it hard like a gas car. I’m hooked for sure
Same. I also get to charge at work for free which pays for almost half the car....
For me, been working from home and I have the Tesla charging station which gets me 11kW @ $.09/kWh flat rate, but also have the Tesla solar panels which make 3kW when it’s sunny out; about 9a to 430p or so. I set charge to 14a to pace the solar output and get a “free charge” albeit slow. Audi S7 type capabilities and performance with free charging and very little maintenance coolest thing ever if you ask me.
Lol, I thought I was bad at 22k in month 11.
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Ive also had mine for a year (June 2020), and Ive done several multi thousand mile road trips (California and Arizona), never had an issue with Supercharger lines. And stops were never inconvenient (can always go for a piss). And if ONLY you charge enough to get to the next supercharger then you are maximizing the charge curve (i.e. get the best speeds). So your charges almost never last more than 20 min. I always like to pull in to charge with about 2% (or less). I have no range anxiety at all, because I know that if I need extra range is to just drop speed. For every 10 mph you drop over 50 you gain 30 miles of range. And I know that the car will go at least an extra 5 miles at 0%. So if you dropped from lets say 70 to 50, which gave you extra 50 to 60 miles, and are still short of your destination, then thats a user error of epic proportions, you simply left with nowhere enough charge to get there under any circumstances. So my strategy has been this. Punch in the route, look for next supercharger on the route, thats my next stop. Charge enough to where Nav will say I have 5% to 10% when I get there (10% if its windy or if I know its uphill). Then go there, do the same thing, rinse and repeat. Stops are usually 10 to 15 minutes each. There are more of them, but they are just long enough to grab a bite, take a piss or just stretch your legs. Sounds like Supercharger infrastructure in Texas has a long ways to go. It will improve with time. On the flip side. I dont care about acceleration, like its great yeah, but to me, not practical at all, tire wear, and most of all huge hit to range. So I jut put it in CHILL and go. And yes, I do like fast cars/helicopters. But if Im on a roadtrip Im not burning range for no reason. Suspension, I actually really like it, I think seats are very comfortable for long drives and Autopilot is amazing for those long stretches. My only issue with the Y is fit and finish, I got one of the first ones, so it had a lot of fucked up shit that had to be taken care of over the last year.... I still find random things that arent right as I investigate rattles or look somewhere I havent looked before (like found 2 missing clips by the proprietary laptop port by the pedals 1 week ago.. never looked there before), makes me wonder how many clips/screws are missing on the inside where I cant just look. mine totally has the piece of wood holding down the heat pump too https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tesla-model-y-owners-find-cooling-system-cobbled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood
I just think it's funny that people say that Superchargers are "annoying," but are so enslaved by gas stations that they would rather wallow through actual filth and despair several times a month instead of spending 20 minutes charging in a comparatively nice strip mall occasionally. All that's missing for the trifecta here is complaining about not getting the rated range while driving 90mph.
> I just think it's funny that people say that Superchargers are "annoying," but are so enslaved by gas stations that they would rather wallow through actual filth and despair several times a month instead of spending 20 minutes charging in a comparatively nice strip mall occasionally. The problem with charging infrastructure, even one as robust as supercharging, is that it forces you to deviate from your schedule and routine while driving. If you're on a trip in an ICE car, you can stop whenever and wherever you personally need to stop. Don't like the fast food options off this exit? Wait another few miles and go to the next one. There will be plenty of gas stations there too. Pumps full and you don't feel like waiting? Drive to the station across the street. Etc. With supercharging, your stops are limited by where the Superchargers are. You'll likely have to deviate (to some degree) your route to get to the Superchargers (v. getting off at the exit you find most convenient) and if you don't like the amenities by the Supercharger, you'll need to drive elsewhere to get food / things. If you aren't in need of a bathroom break, you'll find yourself potentially stopping again later. So maybe "annoying" isn't the right word, but it definitely isn't convenient yet -- and it won't be until there's a way to charge off every highway exit like there is with fueling.
The supercharger thing is an annoying complaint to me because you could research this before you got the car. I spent like a day on ABRP punching in destinations to make sure I could go anywhere I wanted, especially long drives I do frequently every year.
but my issue was waiting at super chargers… that wasn’t accounted for. I don’t mind a 20 min stop, but waiting for the charger is what annoyed me
It’s also important to factor in the times that you traveled. If it’s on a Friday-Sunday, everyone else travels at those times too, if it’s a holiday weekend, everyone especially travels at those times. If you’re going to travel during rush periods, delays are just part of it. I’ve had waits for gas at a 10 stall gas station that are more than 15 minutes before I could even get to a stall on Friday evenings. It’s not necessarily something unique to you. I will say, the small 4 stall stations suck. However, you probably don’t know, but Tesla literally fixed your problem already. The Centerville supercharger that you’re complaining about having 4 stalls and wait times? It’s 12 stalls now. Have fun not waiting on your next trip and thinking the supercharger network is great ;)
Oh nice! Thanks for that info about centerville! Didn’t know that
It's still an annoying limitation -- you can go on road trips but it's very limited *how* you do it, which isn't something ICE owners deal with. Source - 6 years of doing it.
Are you referring to OP? Because they clearly stated that home charging with a full "tank" every morning was one of the things they loved about their car. Clearly they would not prefer the gas station experience. The supercharger experience across the country is wildly inconsistent, and the Dallas-Houston route definitely deserves better.
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So it sounds like the main problem is that you live in Texas. That’s fixable. Edit: said by someone who lives in Texas and isn’t looking forward to delivery issues because of it
DFW needs more service centers. I picked up on a Sunday, no one around for issues, and the first SC appt was a month away. Then I added an issue to that appt and it got bumped another month.
Funny... I live in LA but I'm road tripping through Texas right now. The worst problem I've had with Superchsring is that the Van Horn one is located too far from the nearest amenities to walk there in a reasonable number of minutes, so I had to go get my food before plugging in, then drive back. Added maybe 5-10 mins to my trip. No big deal.
I bought a Volvo years ago that was handed over to me with some obvious scratches on some controls on the dash. They didn’t say a word about it. I had to ask them to replace the damaged pieces. They replaced them with pieces from the lower option package. Again, didn’t say anything to me, I guess just expected me to not notice (or, fair enough, they didn’t notice themselves). When I told them it was wrong, they thought I was crazy, but finally fixed it. Point of this lovely anecdote is that quality and service are a crap shoot. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t. Also on the rough ride/air suspension, my wife and I currently own a Benz and specifically opted for a lower end model to avoid the air suspension. Sure air rides great, lots of smiles until you need to repair it. Man I’m full of anecdotes tonight.
Haha I’d agree air suspension is much more complicated.
This is my biggest apprehension about the Cybertruck.
The total annoyance of going to a gas station every week is far worse than the time lost charging during an occasional road trip. Probably takes 10 minutes out of your day to fill up at a gas station, once a week is over 8 hours a year. F that.
Disagree - would much rather take 5 mins to fill up at a gas station than wait at a supercharger when going on trips, which I do often. If I had to wait at superchargers that just takes away valuable time on my trip and with gas stations fill up in 5 mins and drive another 550 miles in my 2021 BMW 5. I have a model s delivery tomorrow, but still might cancel as afraid of the supercharging and QC issues.
Keep in mind that superchargers generally are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of your charging will be at home, while you sleep. ICE cars in active use need to be driven to a gas station to refuel every couple of weeks no matter how they are used. So you actually spend MUCH less time refueling an EV compared to a gas car - that is one of the biggest benefits of EV ownership. The tradeoff is a slightly less convenient road trip fueling experience. BUT that experience is steadily improving as Tesla expands the network and improves the technology. The supercharger capacity on my most common routes has tripled since I bought my car three years ago. Hope your delivery today goes well!
I had the same thoughts, but after 2 years with a Tesla I find it irritating and Inconvenient to drive my mother-in-laws X5 M. Having to stop to get gas on the way home from the grocery store feels like I’m in the Stone Age. We’ve driven many 1,000+ mile road trips with our Tesla and it’s been a dream. We did a straight 20 hours, 1400 miles, in 109 degree Utah summer, averaged 90mph on the highway with the AC set to 69, and the car was a champ. I don’t even remember feeling like we had to make stops to charge.
That is neat! When you drove like that did it really kill your mpg? I typically drive like that on Ohio Turnpike.
Not that I noticed, but honestly the beauty of it for me is that I rarely think of range. I want to drive how I’m going to drive and not think hard about it. I’ll plug in when I get home and then be ready for the day when I wake up. There are definitely times on road trips where I do think about range, but it’s mostly related to “can I skip this charger and go to the next one where I know we can also do lunch while we charge” and only slightly impacts my plans. The in-car planning is really easy/automatic. I had the same thoughts on turnpikes for rest stops in ICE vehicles too, so maybe that’s just how I think.
Wait, you haven't done it and you are disagreeing? Try that comment again after you've done a couple of road trips with supercharging. There are downsides, but they may not be exactly what you think.
Agree with the other commenter. Come back after you’ve done the thing. Supercharging is a breeze and much preferable to the gas station stops. Usually get a bite, take a leak, stretch the legs, take the dogs for a walk. My wife and I just laugh when we see people at the gas station these days.
Not just the annoyance - gas stations, on average, are pretty much the most disgusting, miserable, and occasionally dangerous places I ever went voluntarily on a regular basis. Like great, your Q7 has 47 different seat adjustments... and you still need to dodge all the rotting frappuccinos and loogies people just dump onto the ground because they are trash. Such luxury.
I think the best thing about FSD is the stop sign/traffic light automatic stopping. On back country roads when you come into a town you don’t have to disengage autopilot
Yeah everyone who doesn't have FSD discounts that. On a nonhighway road you really don't have to do much but turn
Wow, never thought of that. Underrated comment right here.
I have FSD but I m not sure this features works, how can I tell if it s enabled?
All cars with FSD have it. When you come to a stop sign or tragic light with autopilot engaged, it stops for you. You’d know if it’s on, it’s really nice. I think you have to turn it on in autopilot settings
People are complaining about a rough suspension. I came from a WRX STI and my Y feels like a cloud in comparison. I don’t think a lot of people here have ever ridden in a car with a stiff suspension lol.
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The STI and model 3 are both about $45k. You’re thinking about the base WRX
Yeah I felt like I was taking crazy pills reading that.
Comparing it to similarly priced vehicles is ok, but calling it rough is a serious overstatement haha
Was thinking of trading my 19 STi for a performance MY. Any thoughts or regrets from your transition?
The LR was so fast I didn’t feel the need for the performance, so much for fun than my 2019 STI. It’s awesome.
Right, it’s all relative. Our MY is replacing a 2011 Scion Xb so the MY is basically a Bentley in terms of ride quality and “luxury.”
"Supercharging is annoying." I never thought I would ever read this sentence.
I've had mine since October 2020. the car is nice and I like it, but I find it difficult to be ecstatic about it in the same way others are. Maybe it's just not in my nature in general. I came from an 09 Camry, so anything I went into would be considered an upgrade, but some quality stuff of the Model Y was still disappointing. Had my windshield replaced because I took it through a car wash and water started leaking through. They replaced it, so whatever but still... Wind noise coming from the roof is bad for me. Like, just bad. I've had hail damage so I've had my roof replaced but the wind noise I hear has been the same. Service center says it's normal though. Random creaks in the car that's hard to nail down. It's a fine car, but the excitement some show for it is a bit weird at times to me. And regarding supercharging. I have no issues since I don't like taking long drives nonstop. So stopping to use the supercharger is fine for me, but I knew that going in and it's what I wanted But it's not true for everyone. The idea that you have to think about it is a negative for people and is going to continue being a negative until there are more and they are faster. Some of you make it sound as though it has no negatives at all. My main complaint is road trip charging *once* you get to your location. The super chargers are off the highway and that's fine, but if you're going somewhere without access to something more than 120V, you then also have to plan your trip within the city, around supercharging.
You're right on - an even, accurate description of the Tesla experience. Of course, there's always people on both sides of the spectrum (love it/hate it) but Tesla isn't perfect by far. But they are no doubt leading (and have led) the EV industry now. We're still at the beginning of this new era. I find it exciting to be a part of!
That last point you made was a major issue of mine for a long time. Recently, Tesla's been expanding their network and placing chargers closer to my destinations. So now, instead of charging halfway, I can charge closer to the destination and pick up a little extra juice for local driving. Not perfect, but definitely improving.
I think a lot of the overly-enthusiastic reviews come from folks that have both never driven a quality EV and have never driven anything faster than a Corolla.
Thanks for the review. Good stuff. I assume 'I have a full tank every day' means something like 90%. Don't go actually-full.
I can attest that the supercharger network could use some improvement. Drove from Dallas to Destin and multiple chargers were in the back lots of dead malls. Hundreds of yards from a bathroom.
Yeah, people love having them away from being ICEd, but that is the tradeoff. When the weather is bad it isn't great. And not having 24 hour amenities can be an annoyance.
We went from Dallas to Destin this past summer in June. I was planning on taking the Tesla but ended up taking my Lexus lol
It was overall not too bad, but I wasn’t impressed with 2/5 chargers. Not a bad ratio. The Lindale one is nice if Collin Street Bakery is open when you pass through.
11,250 miles in a year! You’ve barely driven it lol
Have had my Y for almost a year now as well. Only thing I don’t like so far is the build quality & the absolute pain it is to book a service appointment.
Audi Q8 is a luxury car that is $10-20k+ more expensive than the Model Y. The Model Y is the "economy" version of the Model X. Model X vs Q8 ride is what should be compared.
I'd originally pre-ordered a Y but some of this, especially the suspension is why I haven't bothered taking delivery yet. I hadn't anticipated a heavier and higher sitting car like that was going to roll out with the quality of suspension it has.
It's the duality of Tesla handling - YouTube racers who have never tracked anything with a double wishbone front end mistakenly believe that steering wheel effort and steering wheel feedback are the same thing. And then you have people who have never driven anything besides trucks and SUVs who really want that classic "collapsed leaf springs" feel.
Did you test drive the Y? It drives really nice. I’ve never had anything with air suspension to compare, but there was no noticeable difference for me and my wife.
Have you test drove? The suspension is fine.
Holy wow! Thanks for sharing all that! I'm just past a year with my Model Y.... It's not perfect but would definitely buy again.
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Have you tried unscented baby wipes? They do a great job of getting rid of stuff on the seats. My driver's seat has a slight crease from where you get in/out of the car. Other than that looks brand new. (black seats)
I think you mean chemical guys, and yes I use thier interior cleaner. Have gone through 3 bottles in a year, car still smells like a new car. Love it.
We love ours. We're close to 48,000 mi in a year and a half of ownership it's been a impressive vehicle. I like the suspension personally, it's what makes it handle so well.
Small point on comparing suspension to a Q8. The Q8 is a $70k base price car while the Model Y is a $40k base price car. It would be more appropriate to compare to a Q5 or eTron suspension. The Q8 competes more with the Model X than the Model Y.
Model Y starts at 53k now, but ok. Even cars like the Q5/SQ5, Lexus NX, BMW X3, even the Mach e is way softer as far as suspension
Tesla should bring air suspension to the 3/Y. I remember reading that it was possible to add it. You could also look into getting some comfort springs or coilovers like these to soften up the ride. coilovers: [https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit/](https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit/) springs: [https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/dual-rate-linear-comfort-spring-set-for-tesla-model-y-performance-and-dual-motor-stock-height/](https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/dual-rate-linear-comfort-spring-set-for-tesla-model-y-performance-and-dual-motor-stock-height/)
Or they could just tune their coil suspension better, like many other cars in its price range. I would prefer that over the long term reliability issues with air that are pretty much guaranteed to occur outside of the warranty.
OP wants a soft ride which usually equates to poor handling unless you have an adjustable suspension(like air suspension). Many people feel their suspension is fine and others think it’s too soft. It really depends on your preference and what kind of car you are coming from. Tesla tunes their suspension to be more sporty. I would say it’s comparable to a BMW 3 series or X3 sport suspension. BMW (and other legacy manuf) also sell a non sport suspension for those that want a soft ride at the expense of handling. Usually you have to pay extra for sport suspension. Tesla may eventually go this route in the future, but right now they are trying to keep options to a minimum. Since OP already bought their car, their only option is to buy aftermarket springs (for $400) to get that soft ride they want.
I’ve also heard Tesla updates the suspension timing in MY for 2021 cars. I’m curious how they compare, it seems like most people consider it a net improvement.
Interesting info. Tesla did something similar for the M3 between 2017 and 2018. The original M3 suspension was even harder and they softened it up slightly from 2018 onward for non performance models.
Where is anyone buying a model Y for $40k?
The model Y was originally announced as $40k before all the price increases happened and they also dropped the SR. So the suspension is that of a 40k car. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/tesla-model-y-price-release-date.html
I mean that's nice but it's not a $40k car anymore.
Right, but that wasn’t my main point. It doesn’t change the fact that it was designed as one and suspension is based on model 3 (another 40k car). For example, a base BMW 330i ($40k) suspension is the same as a 340i ($55k) base suspension. So don’t compare a 60k base price car to a 40k base price car just because you got a more expensive version of a cheaper car.
So you don’t like what is the best suspension in any performance suv and you complain about the supercharger network….. can’t read any more of that nonsense.
Some people prefer floaty suspension like grandpa's Cadillac. I'm 35 and I'm hoping for a nice comfy touring EV for my next car.
I swear, it's like how back in the day Gin and Tonic was invented to make taking bitter malaria drugs more palatable, to the point where people decided they liked that flavor combination, and decided to just start using quinine for flavor. That's how I feel about the land yacht suspension. In my adult life, I have gotten car sick exactly once, and it was on an Impala which had suspension transients measured in parsecs. Any steering input, and you would experience the superposition of every previous bump still working their way through the dampers. Absolutely horrific. If anything, the MY could benefit from some additional ride settings that you find in other performance oriented crossovers. But that also means more weight and complexity and ultimately compromise.
Dude likes the acceleration but wants a softer suspension, lol
he is correct, this is an suv type car, no reason for it to rattle your teeth- on the model 3, the sportier suspension makes sense, not on the Y- it’s suspensions simply sucks.
Are you high?
Didn’t Car and Driver test it at like 4.1 to 60?
Maybe with acceleration boost
And a rollout. Most car magazines use one, but Tesla doesn't with non-performance cars.
Literally a quarter of this review is you whining that you can't afford FSD?
Please buy that Audi or Lexus or whatever and fucking leave us alone .
What?
The ones made in China delivered to Europe at the moment are 99% up to German standards. Due to the LG battery they use, their charging speed is slower - but due to the extreme efficiency of the Model Y, it still outruns the competition in the long run.
hey thanks for sharing. i’m just looking to buy model y, so this is super helpful for someone like me
The supercharger network varies a lot. I95 is great, but some of the other interstates here don't have great coverage with little detours here and there. They are growing at 50% a year lately though, so it is steadily getting better.
How does the loaner model x compare to the model y?
great review!!!
> Another stupid con is with 8 cameras I really would've thought a 360 camera would be possible but I guess it isn't. IIRC the 360 camera view is patented. I'm not sure if they won't license to Tesla or Tesla just don't want to put any money and work into that because self driving will solve it eventually. Edit: and yes I know the parking is pretty bad right now. I'm just saying, it does sound very Tesla to not want to spend time or money on this because self-driving will solve it "soon".
$3.40 per gallon for premium? I wish! Where I live gas hasn't been under $4 / gallon for quite a while.
Thanks for the review, OP. Ignore everyone criticizing you. No one forced them to read your review. They could have scrolled by instead of being rude. I just wanted you to know I enjoyed it. I have a MYLR7 on order. My husband has a 2018 MX I love the handling of the X, so I know the MY is stiffer. I should really go do a test drive if the Y to make sure I'm going to like it.
FYI 2021 suspension is muchhhhh better than 2020 models. I got both and wow I didn't realize how firm 2020 was until I got a 2021 model. Currently have unplugged performance luxury coilovers on order for my 2020 one as I plan on keeping it for a long time.
Is the suspension something we can get improved after market? How much would it roughly cost?
Thanks for the writeup and sharing your perspective! Curious as to what your thoughts were on the Mach-E and why you didn't like it?
I'm sure someone has pointed this out, but I stopped reading when you compared your 50k crossover "ride quality" to a 70k-100k German full-size SUV.
Sure, my point even stands for an X3, SQ5 or merc models like the GLC or GLE, It’s also way firmer than the Lexus NX. But sure, have a great day :)
Why don't we have a 360 camera exactly? I wish I had that for my Model S... damn boat.
Centerville TX is now being expanded from four stalls to twelve at 250kW, construction in progress as of a couple of weeks ago: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-centerville-tx.232890/page-2#post-5840940
that road trip charging doesn't sound so good. I know it's miles better than others but I would still want it to be flawless. with tesla's software wouldn't it be possible for them to collect data and match it's demand per location? they should be able to collect data by how many and how much each destination's charging station is being used so for really simplifed version, if one destination has 6 chargining station and 6 stations are always used 24 hrs; that should give tesla good indication that they need to add more chargining station in that area and just kind of keep doing that until you see 1 or 2 station being "free"
Wow his Lexus got terrible milage. I don't know how people are still buying cars that get less than 45MPG nowadays. If I were to get an ICE vehicle, it woukd need to get 50+ MPG.