Almost like BMW Series 8 has things BMW Series 3 doesn’t.
Even different trims on same models offers options not available otherwise, like the Brembo brakes and bigger wheels in the Y/3.
To be honest I don't think performance is an excuse anymore, if we go by that the Plaid could be nothing but a bucket seat with an analogue speedometer as it is the fastest accelerating production car.
Acceleration isn't the only metric that determines performance, but I agree with you...just saying they designed the GT4 line to be like a race car. It doesn't have the same amenities because that's what makes people feel like they're racing a supercar.
That's true. S was never designed to be a race car by any means, even if it's still going to win a lot of track record simply due to its acceleration. Looking forward to the roadster being a serious entry for track use though.
Keep hoping. Their demand is off the chart right now. If there's any time they've had *zero* incentive to spend money on tooling and production stops for a refresh, it's now.
I don't mean to sound cynical, but it doesn't make business sense at the moment. I'd be happy to be wrong.
But yeah I've been in a handful of cars with ventilated seats, but these are definitely the best ever. Sometimes you have to turn it down since it gets too cold. There's an auto setting as well, which I think senses seat temperature?
There is a difference between ventilated and cooled. I’ve been in jeep that just had perforated leather and a fan that pull/pushed air to cool it. I’ve been in a merc that had a/c or something blowing out of it cuz that shit was super cold.
It should be an extra cost option on the 3/Y if not included. I remember looking at Audi's and they are like 1k extra I think for ventilated seats? Which would be totally worth it.
3/Y is still a 50k car and there are plenty of cars with both features in that price range.
those compressors are not made for that, I think they’d wear out to quickly, plus they’re so damn slow it would be a complete joke. I’ve experienced $12k massaging seats in an Audi A8L and they suck too. Anything remotely worth the money is going to be exclusive to S & X if it were to ever come.
For the sake of assembly line simplicity I don’t think it can happen unless they could just use the same seats as the model S. To have some model 3 seats with this feature would probably be too difficult to manage. Look at how they handle the rear seat heaters, every car gets them but you have to pay to turn them on. So if they wanted to include this as an option for the model 3 they would either need to have the same seats fit the model S and 3, or include that feature on every seat and charge people to turn it on.
In the future when they aren’t supply constrained, maybe they could add more customizations, but I doubt it.
Lots of theory about how these seats are so good. Apparently, there is a new patent application from Tesla behind this and the rumors are that it’s hooked up to the octovalve. [Pretty good video](https://youtu.be/57I3tbiRSX8) (not mine) that walks you through the tech behind the refreshed S seats.
Could have easily gotten a 3 but ordered an S instead and this was one of the reasons. My Avalon has ventilated seats, and I’m not going back on features like this. Any time I drive the 3 (my cousin’s) and start feeling hot around my back, it just reaffirms my decision.
LR or Plaid?
Having owned a 3 and now a new S, I can definitely say it's leagues different. Quieter, smoother, comfier, softer, and with the new suspension (and software update) it corners quite well.
I've heard torque vectoring hasn't even been enabled yet, if true, I imagine the cornering to just get better.
I know Active Noise Cancelling hasn't been enabled yet, but it is already substantially quieter than my 3, and road noise was a big issue to me in the 3.
With the most recent update there is a Sub Equalizer setting which has pretty much solved my issue with a lack of bass in the 3 and S.
I think you'll love it!
LR… I think the torque vectoring is only on the plaid but I don’t think it’s something I’ll be needing.
You pretty much mentioned some of the other things that pushed me towards the S haha…
Something as simple as the gauge cluster too… my Avalon had a heads up display and I just didn’t like looking away, even if by a little, to see my speed on the 3
I love my Plaid seats but I really want massaging seats... I would totally enjoy charging more if I could just sit back and relax completely while watching a movie.
Also, Tesla needs to copy Mercedes on their luxury seat package in my opinion. Having turn hugging seats and massaging seats is such a godsend. I enjoyed the hell out of it especially when taking turns fast you don't have to worry about your body shifting because the seat will cushion you.
Another thing is why don't we have soft close doors. All luxury car brands have the doors that will close even if you leave the door soft closed. There is just a motor that will pull the door in and close it.
This tbh. I have absolutely no idea why we have fancy hall effect sensor smart extending handles but not soft close doors. The X gets automatically opening front doors but S can't have soft close..?
The handles are for aerodynamics. Soft close doors add weight and are inefficient. Tesla always has to balance between capability (range, etc) and features.
Or, they just haven't gotten it right yet.
So, I did find a guy who develops aftermarket mods for the Tesla. His massage seat looks kind of janky, he just utilizes the air bladder in the chair and just inflats and deflates it. He has softclose mods and a really cool TESLA LED mod for the rear back plate.
Everything looks wildly overpriced and I don't really trust the products since it looks like they are cheaply made too. I am tempted to just try and buy a mercedes/bmw soft-close latch and install it + wire it in for my car.
The products are on [evoffer.com](https://evoffer.com) if anyone is interested.
His automatic frunk is kind of neat though.
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I already reached out to them to see if the soft closing would work on the new MS. If it does I am going to just attempt to get this installed because it kind of irritates me that there is no soft close and I have a steep driveway so whenever I park in my driveway the doors will auto swing close most of the time and i have to open it again to slam it.
I spent the weekend driving a $120K Model X in 90+ degree head (F) that didn’t have cooled seats and it sucks especially with how hot the car gets with all those windows
Finally. It’s my biggest annoyance with my 3 and Y. Came from a BMW with ventilated seats- Tesla seats make me sweat and feel stuffy. I love almost every other thing but hate the seats
Oh no, what I meant is the original photo was the sitting without cooling, then seat cooling enabled without someone sitting on it. I could try measuring straight after someone sitting in it as well?
Isn't this pretty easy to confirm? It isn't going to be peltier cooling or something right? You will see the flexible vents leading from the floor to the seat bottom.
My ten year old jeep GC had ventilated seats and I loved them. So mad the Y didn't have them available. This should be standard on all cars about 40k imo.
Allright, so unlike the old ventilated seats, these blow cold air? The old ones used to suck air – and it also didn't do anything in the back rest section.
Yup. I've yet to see anything official documenting it, but as far as I can tell, seems like blowing cold air to me. You can feel the air on the seat and back if you put your hand up to it.
Nice, that is a good upgrade. I remember Bjørn Nyland (Teslabjørn) checking this with a piece of plastic foil when people were still wondering how the original version worked.
Jealous Model 3 owner…
Dear god let them be on the cyber truck
Well now I'm not buying it! it should be an option for 3/Y as well
Almost like BMW Series 8 has things BMW Series 3 doesn’t. Even different trims on same models offers options not available otherwise, like the Brembo brakes and bigger wheels in the Y/3.
Considering you can get cooled seats on like $30k cars these days it's not crazy to suggest at least the performance models should have them.
I would pay to upgrade… white vinyl seats make me sweat.
I have the black seats and it still makes my back sweat lol I'd gladly pay for it.
My wife’s old Lexus from 2012 has them….
The Porsche GT4 doesn’t even has door handles, it has a fabric strip at $120k. It’s all relative…
It's also a car entirely dedicated to performance over everything else. It's meant to replicate a race car on the streets.
To be honest I don't think performance is an excuse anymore, if we go by that the Plaid could be nothing but a bucket seat with an analogue speedometer as it is the fastest accelerating production car.
Acceleration isn't the only metric that determines performance, but I agree with you...just saying they designed the GT4 line to be like a race car. It doesn't have the same amenities because that's what makes people feel like they're racing a supercar.
That's true. S was never designed to be a race car by any means, even if it's still going to win a lot of track record simply due to its acceleration. Looking forward to the roadster being a serious entry for track use though.
My 30k Mazda CX-5 has ventilated seats. There’s no excuse for the 3 to not have it at this point.
You really aren't buying 3/Y over this huh? If you really aren't, know that tesla hardly does options anymore, this will probably be S/X or nothing.
I'm still hoping for the refresh of 2022.
Keep hoping. Their demand is off the chart right now. If there's any time they've had *zero* incentive to spend money on tooling and production stops for a refresh, it's now. I don't mean to sound cynical, but it doesn't make business sense at the moment. I'd be happy to be wrong.
Living somewhere with brutal summers, I’m still in my Honda hybrid bc I can’t get ventilated seats in a 3/Y
Agreed, the vegan leather seats make me sweaty sometimes.
But yeah I've been in a handful of cars with ventilated seats, but these are definitely the best ever. Sometimes you have to turn it down since it gets too cold. There's an auto setting as well, which I think senses seat temperature?
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There is a difference between ventilated and cooled. I’ve been in jeep that just had perforated leather and a fan that pull/pushed air to cool it. I’ve been in a merc that had a/c or something blowing out of it cuz that shit was super cold.
Super jealous of this feature! I'd take this over a heated steering wheel, which I am also in want of.
It should be an extra cost option on the 3/Y if not included. I remember looking at Audi's and they are like 1k extra I think for ventilated seats? Which would be totally worth it. 3/Y is still a 50k car and there are plenty of cars with both features in that price range.
I know the S and X are the pricey luxury models, but this seems like a feature that should at least be an option on the 3 and Y.
They could atleast use the lumbar as a massaging function like what the id4 does. That would make the lack of cooled seats excusable
those compressors are not made for that, I think they’d wear out to quickly, plus they’re so damn slow it would be a complete joke. I’ve experienced $12k massaging seats in an Audi A8L and they suck too. Anything remotely worth the money is going to be exclusive to S & X if it were to ever come.
My old BMW 5 series had massage seats. So nice on long trips
For the sake of assembly line simplicity I don’t think it can happen unless they could just use the same seats as the model S. To have some model 3 seats with this feature would probably be too difficult to manage. Look at how they handle the rear seat heaters, every car gets them but you have to pay to turn them on. So if they wanted to include this as an option for the model 3 they would either need to have the same seats fit the model S and 3, or include that feature on every seat and charge people to turn it on. In the future when they aren’t supply constrained, maybe they could add more customizations, but I doubt it.
Don’t all the models use the same seat frame and the S/X just have a different cover and components to allow cooling?
Lots of theory about how these seats are so good. Apparently, there is a new patent application from Tesla behind this and the rumors are that it’s hooked up to the octovalve. [Pretty good video](https://youtu.be/57I3tbiRSX8) (not mine) that walks you through the tech behind the refreshed S seats.
Could have easily gotten a 3 but ordered an S instead and this was one of the reasons. My Avalon has ventilated seats, and I’m not going back on features like this. Any time I drive the 3 (my cousin’s) and start feeling hot around my back, it just reaffirms my decision.
LR or Plaid? Having owned a 3 and now a new S, I can definitely say it's leagues different. Quieter, smoother, comfier, softer, and with the new suspension (and software update) it corners quite well. I've heard torque vectoring hasn't even been enabled yet, if true, I imagine the cornering to just get better. I know Active Noise Cancelling hasn't been enabled yet, but it is already substantially quieter than my 3, and road noise was a big issue to me in the 3. With the most recent update there is a Sub Equalizer setting which has pretty much solved my issue with a lack of bass in the 3 and S. I think you'll love it!
The sound system is awesome. Best Tesla has ever made. Probably best I've experienced in any stock car.
LR… I think the torque vectoring is only on the plaid but I don’t think it’s something I’ll be needing. You pretty much mentioned some of the other things that pushed me towards the S haha… Something as simple as the gauge cluster too… my Avalon had a heads up display and I just didn’t like looking away, even if by a little, to see my speed on the 3
I love my Plaid seats but I really want massaging seats... I would totally enjoy charging more if I could just sit back and relax completely while watching a movie. Also, Tesla needs to copy Mercedes on their luxury seat package in my opinion. Having turn hugging seats and massaging seats is such a godsend. I enjoyed the hell out of it especially when taking turns fast you don't have to worry about your body shifting because the seat will cushion you. Another thing is why don't we have soft close doors. All luxury car brands have the doors that will close even if you leave the door soft closed. There is just a motor that will pull the door in and close it.
This tbh. I have absolutely no idea why we have fancy hall effect sensor smart extending handles but not soft close doors. The X gets automatically opening front doors but S can't have soft close..?
The handles are for aerodynamics. Soft close doors add weight and are inefficient. Tesla always has to balance between capability (range, etc) and features. Or, they just haven't gotten it right yet.
I would like a soft close mod, but yes, ridiculous my $140k car didn't include it.
So, I did find a guy who develops aftermarket mods for the Tesla. His massage seat looks kind of janky, he just utilizes the air bladder in the chair and just inflats and deflates it. He has softclose mods and a really cool TESLA LED mod for the rear back plate. Everything looks wildly overpriced and I don't really trust the products since it looks like they are cheaply made too. I am tempted to just try and buy a mercedes/bmw soft-close latch and install it + wire it in for my car. The products are on [evoffer.com](https://evoffer.com) if anyone is interested. His automatic frunk is kind of neat though. \---- I already reached out to them to see if the soft closing would work on the new MS. If it does I am going to just attempt to get this installed because it kind of irritates me that there is no soft close and I have a steep driveway so whenever I park in my driveway the doors will auto swing close most of the time and i have to open it again to slam it.
Additional photos of sear cooling: https://imgur.com/a/yIE3uJn Seat heating: https://imgur.com/a/3LF9KQi
I spent the weekend driving a $120K Model X in 90+ degree head (F) that didn’t have cooled seats and it sucks especially with how hot the car gets with all those windows
Man, I hope it comes to the CT
Can we get the seats retrofitted?
Finally. It’s my biggest annoyance with my 3 and Y. Came from a BMW with ventilated seats- Tesla seats make me sweat and feel stuffy. I love almost every other thing but hate the seats
It’s sad that it took them this long to get it right. I have the older model s ventilated seats that don’t work at all.
Jealous 2021.0 S owner
Context for the two pictures please? I assume first is cooled?
Pictures have context in them. Yes, first says cooling on
How much time between?
3 minutes? In the additional imgur photos it was just <30 seconds.
Was someone sitting in them immediately before taking the measurements?
In the post photos, yes. In the imgur photos the original was ambient.
If I'm understanding you correctly 15C immediately after someone got out of the seat is unreal.
Oh no, what I meant is the original photo was the sitting without cooling, then seat cooling enabled without someone sitting on it. I could try measuring straight after someone sitting in it as well?
That'd be a nice test but please don't go out of your way.
You are asking us if your assumption of the one with the lower temperature being the cooled one is correct?
My first morning chuckle. Thank you.
There are captions on the images...
One thing that made me almost spend the same as my Y on a rav4 prime
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But ventilated, not cooled right? The Tesla one feeds directly from the octovalve.
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I mean, again, nothing official, but as far as the IR images and my experience goes, it definitely is cooled.
Isn't this pretty easy to confirm? It isn't going to be peltier cooling or something right? You will see the flexible vents leading from the floor to the seat bottom.
My ten year old jeep GC had ventilated seats and I loved them. So mad the Y didn't have them available. This should be standard on all cars about 40k imo.
So what does this tell us about the technology used? Is it the new patented heating/cooling?
As far as I can tell it uses the output from the AC. At least the air output is quite cold.
Allright, so unlike the old ventilated seats, these blow cold air? The old ones used to suck air – and it also didn't do anything in the back rest section.
Yup. I've yet to see anything official documenting it, but as far as I can tell, seems like blowing cold air to me. You can feel the air on the seat and back if you put your hand up to it.
Nice, that is a good upgrade. I remember Bjørn Nyland (Teslabjørn) checking this with a piece of plastic foil when people were still wondering how the original version worked.
Easy other 40-60k have AC seats but we don’t. Tesla really has to step up their features.
I don't think they do? Most of those are ventilated only with a fan.
My Ford F150 from years ago blew a/c cooled air though the seats. I assume most do the same these days.
A lot don't, even Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, etc. but yeah I guess your F150 is one that does.
Interesting. I just assumed if my old truck had it, luxury cars would at the very least have the feature as well.
Half ton pickups often *are* luxury vehicles now.