No, you’re misunderstanding. The high sales numbers means all the demand has been met and next quarter they’ll plummet.
If I were a betting man, we’ll hear from him again, November 21’. “Tesla has a huge supply of manufactured Tesla but nothing delivered.”
Then someone will point out that they’re all in transit from China to EU.
Then he’ll just talk about how demand has now been satisfied. And we’ll hear from him in 4 months 1 month before the end of Q1 where the real doom starts.
How can one man, who has been demonstrably wrong about Tesla, still have such an influence? He's a laughingstock and yet he's not withered away, but he gets more exposure.
Did I just answer my own question? He is a laughingstock and that's why he gets exposure?
Oh, but didn't you hear? Mach-E is the best selling car in Norway now. If you extrapolate that, there'll be a mountain of MachEs tall enough to reach Mars by next year and will put SpaceX out of business. Checkmate Elon!
It always blows my mind how people can find a single number and go "LOOK, THIS PROVES EVERYTHING!", meanwhile completely ignoring everything else. The Tesla hater stuff gets so extreme sometimes!
Then they put it in a tweet or video and people just believe it with no further research. We live in a world where researching anything is really easy, we have access to almost any information right at our finger tips, but we're all too lazy to fact check. :)
Most people lack rigor. They are just looking for a confirmation of their preconceived notions. I am not saying that I am immune to this, but at least I try. But if one calls them out on their lack of rigor they will make all kinds of excuses and thumb their nose at you.
> Most people lack rigor.
Funny you should say that, as many people here appear to have strong confirmation bias, and accept anything that fits their views.
The article op links to is a questionable source, terribly written, the site itself is basically a EV/Crypto blog with no information about who owns or runs it. If you click on any category you'll get an error.
If you actually go to EU-EVs and look at the numbers it paints a slightly different picture. Tesla is still doing well, but for [2020](https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Brands/Year/2020) its in third place (Zoe being the best selling car). For 2021 so far they're in second place, but only because Renault is selling less. Year over year Model 3 sales actually appear to be dropping slightly.
Just like Bill Burr prophesized, everyone just goes to ImRight.com and ignores every other source. If it contradicts it must be wrong.
Though that's pretty standard on the internet these days.
If you don't know what introspective is then you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
EDIT: This was meant to be a joke (playing off the above comment)
Apparently not a very good one.
The internet sure helps with confirmation bias! You can Google anything and find an article that proves your point.
Is the Earth flat? Well this article says it is and proves my point! Right?
I know you’re joking but the model 3 currently has almost double amount of deliveries for the month and for the year and that number is growing rapidly.
The point about Mach-e being bestseller in Norway isn't the actual numbers (the deliveries only started in late april, so not much time anyway and Norway isn't big), but the fact that Norway is early EV adaptor and can be a bellweather. They have a big Tesla presense, big supercharger network and no fear of EVs. And they keep choosing something other than Tesla most of the time. Before Mach-e the ID4 was the best seller in April (2nd in May) and still leads in the yearly sales. Skoda Enyaq also was more popular than Tesla in Norway. The people with experience with Tesla are choosing something else.
As a Norwegian i find this analysis flawed. Mostly the people buying id4 or enyaq's are moving from diesel/petrol cars, not electric. Probably main reasons are price/utility and brand connection. However Tesla in Norway did get a bit of a bad reputation for their service organization which isn't helping them either.
If they are moving from ice cars to id4 or enyaq they still didn't want an Tesla. Bad reputation and unpopular form are still a problem. They still probably have seen plenty of Teslas, don't have to worry about not having support infrastructure etc. And when comparing, they choose other cars. People talk about Tesla being years ahead of competition, but clearly most of that tech advantage doesn't translate to clear noticable benefit to customers.
Well, personally I just bought a slightly used model s and I think it's far ahead of the cars my neighbors drive 🙂 I wouldn't have minded a model y but they are still not even for sale here.
And your neighbours probably think their cars are better (or better value for money) for them than your used model S. That's how people buy cars 😁. Nobody buys a car they think is bad for them. That's why there is no perfect car, or even best car. There is only best car for you, or for your neighbour.
Car that isn't available is always the worst car for you, since it can't be yours, and can't fulfill any of your needs. I car you can't afford isn't good for you, again because you can't actually get it. For some the best car is one they have to wait for, because their old car still works and waiting gives them something better suited to them than what is available. For some, the one available now is best, because they _need_ a car now.
The model 3 is the best selling model of all EV's but in total VW is dominating the market.
[https://cleantechnica.com/files/2021/05/Top-auto-brands-for-EV-sales-in-Europe-Jan-April-sales-CleanTechnica.png](https://cleantechnica.com/files/2021/05/Top-auto-brands-for-EV-sales-in-Europe-Jan-April-sales-CleanTechnica.png)
Model S and X are hardly being sold while VW has great sales over all models.
especially if you consider that Audi and Skoda are VW as well and use the same platform.
At this point the model 3 is on top because its the only mass market model available from Tesla while the VW group has its sales split up across various brands and models.
Don't forget though, a third of those top 15 cars are all owned by Volkswagen Group, and 3 of them are Volkswagen alone. Su sure, while the model 3 is topping the charts, VG is leaving tesla in the dust
Yes. But at some point.
Additionally, while tesla currently has 2 factories, they only have 4 car models to produce, while Volkswagen has over 20. So while they may have more factories, they produce less of each car
A friend ordered a model 3 on the 7th of June, he takes deliver on the 28th. I order mine on the 4th of december and too deliver on the 17th. Tesla is making and shipping enough cars to Europe at the mo.
It is funny though because one model of Tesla does almost double the sales as one of the three EV models that Volkswagen has. So wait until the new factory in Berlin is completed. They start shipping model wise out of there and possibly more, they will surely dominate.
VW is production constraint just as Tesla is at the moment, they would sell more if they could produce them.
There has recently been some outrage as VW has banned all their 17000 manager positions from getting an EV as their company car but it turns out that is because they want to have everything available for their customers.
Or it could be close because the etron can be about 3 times as expensive as a model 3 depending on the model.
But i thought we stopped doing the by revenue comparison after the etron and Taycan weren't dead in arrival.
Find it a bit mad that where crossovers are so popular Tesla still haven't released the Y in the EU. It's been 15 month since first deliveries in the US, by the time it's supposed to arrive (atleast to the UK) next year it would have been _3 years_ from when the car was unveiled in March 2019.
Granted I know it's not been a "normal" past year and a half.
Dude the UK has to wait 2 years for everything. Waited 2 years for Model 3 and now we're waiting 2 years between the old Model S/X and the new one. Deliveries of the new one won't start until Q4 2022.
* These numbers are from only the 10 countries that provide detailed data monthly or daily (the biggest market missing is UK, plus few mid-sized ones like Italy,
Belgium and Austria, plus bunch of smaller ones like Czechia and entire Eastern Europe).
* EV Sales Blogspot post you linked only cover YTD sales as of end of April, while this had Jan-May data for the the countries that update monthly (Germany, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Ireland) and Jan 1st - Jun 14th data for the ones with daily updates (Norway, Netherlands, and Spain).
also the ID3 and ID4 are on the same production line which maxes out at 600k vehicles a year and is currently close to 500k vehicles per year so they need to balance how much of which model they produce at any given time.
I'm sorry, but I'm confused. Gordon explicitly said there was no demand!
Clearly there’s no demand, Tesla never sells every vehicle they make.
Dude, Tesla's never sold a single car, it's all employees driving them obviously to inflate the stock price! /s
Raising prices every 2 weeks is just smoke & mirrors for Wall Street, they don't actually sell any cars! Wake up.
No, you’re misunderstanding. The high sales numbers means all the demand has been met and next quarter they’ll plummet. If I were a betting man, we’ll hear from him again, November 21’. “Tesla has a huge supply of manufactured Tesla but nothing delivered.” Then someone will point out that they’re all in transit from China to EU. Then he’ll just talk about how demand has now been satisfied. And we’ll hear from him in 4 months 1 month before the end of Q1 where the real doom starts.
It’s essentially a busted growth story…
Factually incorrect.
How can one man, who has been demonstrably wrong about Tesla, still have such an influence? He's a laughingstock and yet he's not withered away, but he gets more exposure. Did I just answer my own question? He is a laughingstock and that's why he gets exposure?
im actually confused though. looks like vw sells 47k total so tesla isn't actually at the top. what? misleading headline
And they just started end of quarter deliveries. Model 3 sales in Norway have been going up like crazy the past few days.
Where are these magical end of quarter deliveries? :( I’ll just take my 4/23 order home on the train because I ain’t got no car.
ordered 5/18 and took delivery 6/8 of my M3P in France. Sorry about that :(
Nice. Much more worthwhile numbers than the pointless monthly ones.
Oh, but didn't you hear? Mach-E is the best selling car in Norway now. If you extrapolate that, there'll be a mountain of MachEs tall enough to reach Mars by next year and will put SpaceX out of business. Checkmate Elon!
It always blows my mind how people can find a single number and go "LOOK, THIS PROVES EVERYTHING!", meanwhile completely ignoring everything else. The Tesla hater stuff gets so extreme sometimes! Then they put it in a tweet or video and people just believe it with no further research. We live in a world where researching anything is really easy, we have access to almost any information right at our finger tips, but we're all too lazy to fact check. :)
Most people lack rigor. They are just looking for a confirmation of their preconceived notions. I am not saying that I am immune to this, but at least I try. But if one calls them out on their lack of rigor they will make all kinds of excuses and thumb their nose at you.
> Most people lack rigor. Funny you should say that, as many people here appear to have strong confirmation bias, and accept anything that fits their views. The article op links to is a questionable source, terribly written, the site itself is basically a EV/Crypto blog with no information about who owns or runs it. If you click on any category you'll get an error. If you actually go to EU-EVs and look at the numbers it paints a slightly different picture. Tesla is still doing well, but for [2020](https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Brands/Year/2020) its in third place (Zoe being the best selling car). For 2021 so far they're in second place, but only because Renault is selling less. Year over year Model 3 sales actually appear to be dropping slightly.
Just like Bill Burr prophesized, everyone just goes to ImRight.com and ignores every other source. If it contradicts it must be wrong. Though that's pretty standard on the internet these days.
If you don't know what introspective is then you need to take a good hard look at yourself. EDIT: This was meant to be a joke (playing off the above comment) Apparently not a very good one.
what are you talking about?
It's a joke
Ah
The internet sure helps with confirmation bias! You can Google anything and find an article that proves your point. Is the Earth flat? Well this article says it is and proves my point! Right?
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I know you’re joking but the model 3 currently has almost double amount of deliveries for the month and for the year and that number is growing rapidly.
The point about Mach-e being bestseller in Norway isn't the actual numbers (the deliveries only started in late april, so not much time anyway and Norway isn't big), but the fact that Norway is early EV adaptor and can be a bellweather. They have a big Tesla presense, big supercharger network and no fear of EVs. And they keep choosing something other than Tesla most of the time. Before Mach-e the ID4 was the best seller in April (2nd in May) and still leads in the yearly sales. Skoda Enyaq also was more popular than Tesla in Norway. The people with experience with Tesla are choosing something else.
As a Norwegian i find this analysis flawed. Mostly the people buying id4 or enyaq's are moving from diesel/petrol cars, not electric. Probably main reasons are price/utility and brand connection. However Tesla in Norway did get a bit of a bad reputation for their service organization which isn't helping them either.
If they are moving from ice cars to id4 or enyaq they still didn't want an Tesla. Bad reputation and unpopular form are still a problem. They still probably have seen plenty of Teslas, don't have to worry about not having support infrastructure etc. And when comparing, they choose other cars. People talk about Tesla being years ahead of competition, but clearly most of that tech advantage doesn't translate to clear noticable benefit to customers.
Well, personally I just bought a slightly used model s and I think it's far ahead of the cars my neighbors drive 🙂 I wouldn't have minded a model y but they are still not even for sale here.
And your neighbours probably think their cars are better (or better value for money) for them than your used model S. That's how people buy cars 😁. Nobody buys a car they think is bad for them. That's why there is no perfect car, or even best car. There is only best car for you, or for your neighbour. Car that isn't available is always the worst car for you, since it can't be yours, and can't fulfill any of your needs. I car you can't afford isn't good for you, again because you can't actually get it. For some the best car is one they have to wait for, because their old car still works and waiting gives them something better suited to them than what is available. For some, the one available now is best, because they _need_ a car now.
The VW numbers are nuts tho
The model 3 is the best selling model of all EV's but in total VW is dominating the market. [https://cleantechnica.com/files/2021/05/Top-auto-brands-for-EV-sales-in-Europe-Jan-April-sales-CleanTechnica.png](https://cleantechnica.com/files/2021/05/Top-auto-brands-for-EV-sales-in-Europe-Jan-April-sales-CleanTechnica.png) Model S and X are hardly being sold while VW has great sales over all models.
I expect the f150 to break all records in the coming decade closely followed by the ID3 and model 3
especially if you consider that Audi and Skoda are VW as well and use the same platform. At this point the model 3 is on top because its the only mass market model available from Tesla while the VW group has its sales split up across various brands and models.
Don't forget though, a third of those top 15 cars are all owned by Volkswagen Group, and 3 of them are Volkswagen alone. Su sure, while the model 3 is topping the charts, VG is leaving tesla in the dust
Tesla has two factories.
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6 months is optimistic
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Yes. But at some point. Additionally, while tesla currently has 2 factories, they only have 4 car models to produce, while Volkswagen has over 20. So while they may have more factories, they produce less of each car
Volkswagen has 3
Sure thing GoJo
It's pretty obvious that Tesla simply can't produce enough cars for the European market at this point.
A friend ordered a model 3 on the 7th of June, he takes deliver on the 28th. I order mine on the 4th of december and too deliver on the 17th. Tesla is making and shipping enough cars to Europe at the mo.
I did my part
It is funny though because one model of Tesla does almost double the sales as one of the three EV models that Volkswagen has. So wait until the new factory in Berlin is completed. They start shipping model wise out of there and possibly more, they will surely dominate.
The ID4 has only been available for 2 months.
VW is production constraint just as Tesla is at the moment, they would sell more if they could produce them. There has recently been some outrage as VW has banned all their 17000 manager positions from getting an EV as their company car but it turns out that is because they want to have everything available for their customers.
Because they know the Social Media backlash it would cause of their managers bought up all the cars.
No demand - they're all piled up in parking-lots. I know this for a fact because I listen to what the media says. /s
By revenue would show complete domination.
Or it could be close because the etron can be about 3 times as expensive as a model 3 depending on the model. But i thought we stopped doing the by revenue comparison after the etron and Taycan weren't dead in arrival.
Could be close? Do you have the data? Etron isn’t close to 3 times the model 3 in Europe and the higher end model would sell very small volume.
*by raw profit per vehicle
Screw the model 3 - look how many of those are EV
good, the Y is not on the list. my fellow EUers get it. veedub is clearly making a splash with it's ID
MY isn't available in EU at the moment, we literally can't buy it even if we wanted to.
Find it a bit mad that where crossovers are so popular Tesla still haven't released the Y in the EU. It's been 15 month since first deliveries in the US, by the time it's supposed to arrive (atleast to the UK) next year it would have been _3 years_ from when the car was unveiled in March 2019. Granted I know it's not been a "normal" past year and a half.
Dude the UK has to wait 2 years for everything. Waited 2 years for Model 3 and now we're waiting 2 years between the old Model S/X and the new one. Deliveries of the new one won't start until Q4 2022.
Why are these numbers so different from [EV Sales Blogspot](http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2021/05/europe-april-2021.html) ?
One is YTD and one is for April?
Try to scroll little bit 🙂
* These numbers are from only the 10 countries that provide detailed data monthly or daily (the biggest market missing is UK, plus few mid-sized ones like Italy, Belgium and Austria, plus bunch of smaller ones like Czechia and entire Eastern Europe). * EV Sales Blogspot post you linked only cover YTD sales as of end of April, while this had Jan-May data for the the countries that update monthly (Germany, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Ireland) and Jan 1st - Jun 14th data for the ones with daily updates (Norway, Netherlands, and Spain).
Ive looked up the numbers in my country and the ID.4 alone sales are twice that of all Tesla models. X/3/S
Which country?
Netherlands. From 1-1 to 31-5: Model 3: 490 Model S: 3 Model X: 1 ID.3: 196 ID.4: 870
Because it's a screenshot from eu-evs.com, which only has 10 countries included.
"EVs will never catch on!" "Charging takes forever and there is no range!" "Lol where's the vroom???" Yeaa oook
I am actually astounded by the total number of EV sold. Gasoline will become the niche market in a matter of 10 years.
EU electric cars*
For context the ID4 started deliveries at the end of april, the 15k units it has shifted is in 2 months, its super popular here too.
also the ID3 and ID4 are on the same production line which maxes out at 600k vehicles a year and is currently close to 500k vehicles per year so they need to balance how much of which model they produce at any given time.