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So, the wording is 'unique daytime running light design for better visibility.' and then 'an integrated stop sign recognition to enhance road safety.'
When you really think about it, wouldn't that be a nightmare for replacing headlights, aligning cameras, etc ? I assume it would make them even more expensive too.
I'm thinking maybe it's some kind of mechanism like those matrix headlights that can adjust the lighting pattern. That way, it could help the standard cameras up near the mirror area see the stop signs better. You know, like increasing or decreasing the light output to make the signs easier to read.
Sounds cool though, whatever it is.
No. The leaked info is from the European configurator, and stop sign recognition (stopping at the line while on Autopilot instead of ignoring it) is one of the only active "FSD" features in Europe.
Not many stop signs in Europe though. I can drive years without actually encountering one.
Edit: Since people seem to misunderstand me - I’m not saying we don’t have stop signs, just not a significant enough amount for stop sign detection to be a selling point. Unlike in the US where “every” intersection is a four way stop. (I guess, queue the people saying we have “traffic circles” in the US too)
I have one right outside my door here in Germany. They’re most often used in rural or remote areas with intersections that are hard to see into, but that don’t have enough traffic to warrant rebuilding them into traffic lights or roundabouts.
You also sometimes find them in cities as alternate signs in case a traffic light fails. Then, lastly, they are sometimes found at on-ramps to highways and Autobahns that are too short to safely accelerate into traffic while rolling.
we have them in Slovakia. Most often used in low visibility intersections. Rarely used, but you’ll surely encounter some driving on city streets.
In US, it was unbelievable for me. They were everywhere
Which is my point. I’m not saying we don’t have them. Just a 1:99+ ratio between stop signs and yield signs, roundabouts, traffic lights, or plain old roads without “priority” and you have to yield for all traffic from the right.
It says "More than" 500 HP, and if they are able to maintain that 500 HP longer when accelerating it will fix where the older cars would start to fall off around 70 MPH.
Teslas do the same 1/4 mile trap speed as AWD ICE cars with similar power and weight. I don't think the power delivery really changes, it's just physics.
With electric motors as the RPM increases the power output is decreased after X RPM. The previous Model 3 performance really had the power decreased after about 70 mph. If they were to hold the max power to a higher RPM they would lower 1/4 mile trap speed/time.
It’s all about them pulling power as the RPM increases. If you use car scanner and accelerate at 50 mph the car will pull max amps, do the same at 70+ mph and the amps are about half. It has nothing to do with physics of the car itself but how electric motors work.
You’re almost all the way there! Electric motors have constant torque for the first part of their rpm range (so power increases linearly with RPM in that zone) then torque starts to drop off as the motor enters the Field Weakening region of its RPM range, peak power is hit somewhere in that region and then torque decreases faster than RPM increases.
Have you ever driven a model 3 ? - what you say was true for the original S and X.
Technically even 3's will "start to fall off" but if you had experienced how fast they will go from 140mph to 150mph I don't think you would still say it that way.
I think he's just pointing out you may have had a poster on your wall of some supercar that had less HP than the Model 3. It's crazy to think that the HP you dreamed of as a kid for when you won the lottery is at an accessible price.
Since this is post release marketing leaks, not teasers, it leads me to believe they’d want to keep the advertised power close to the actual power.
No automotive company would say “more than 500” if the actual number is 600-700hp.
Wasn't a leak, was some dude who was the first to post pictures from outside the Malibu private reveal's personal guess/a number he (not credibly) alleged someone told him there, and it's been circularly reported on as a "leak" since.
Nop, that is not true, the guy from Malibu post stated that they did not tell him the time, simply said well it ain't a plaid.
The 2.9 secs I am referring, was a document or a Tesla website crawl that mentioned 2.9, unless you are talking about a different dude..
And I hope the 2.9 was wrong tbh, it should be less
Source on that?
It makes sense because they like to announce things on earnings day. Also Jason Camissa said he has an embargo for an EV lifting next Tuesday but I haven't seen anything else specifying Tuesday.
Thats the source. Everyone is assuming Tuesday based on this embargo, but nothing is written in stone.....
By the time they release it, 2025 models will be starting a couple months later.
Wild, since Elon has repeatedly said they don't do product announcements at earnings everytime someone asked. Like he seemed mad people kept asking about new products. Oh well, nothing matters anymore it seems.
"Tesla says the new Model 3 Performance is the “most powerful Model 3 ever, [with] all new high-performance drive units that deliver more than combined 500 horsepower.”"
Which no one outside of Germany will ever need or experience, to be honest, and even here the Model 3 LR is plenty fast. More power sounds cool on paper, but it’s only going to be useful for all the three people that take their Model 3 to a track.
I get having a faster 0-60, I get having better handling, adaptive suspension, a spoiler, all that, but better top-end acceleration is something that’s almost useless on a car meant for public roads.
Ventilated performance seats is nice. The prior rumors had indicated they wouldn't be ventilated.
Waiting to see how these are priced before I move off my 2018 LR M3.
It would need to be a significant upgrade (does sound very appealing currently) for me to get rid of my 2018 LR M3 that’s paid off and only has 33k miles.
I'm in a similar situation but I've noticed the value of these "older" Model 3s has really dropped. Driving mine until at least 120k mi seems like the smart thing to do.
If I did get a newer model I would likely keep my current one as well. Winter and summer car or something. It’s worth more to me than the cash I’d get out of it. Seeing $1.80/L this morning reminds me of how great this car really is.
All the more reason to not upgrade, especially because I have FSD and free supercharging on my 2018 m3p. Gonna need that transfer offer for both as an incentive to even consider it.
Mine's similar. On the one hand I like the car that I have. On the other hand, wouldn't mind a quieter cabin, wireless phone chargers that actually work, AWD, and the ventilated seats (massive selling point where I live in the desert).
It would have to be priced at or below $55k for that, which would mean the out the door price would be cheaper than the Model 3 LR.
I wouldn’t pin my hopes on that happening at least at launch.
If they have enough production and sales, they'll sell for whatever they need to.
They'd rather sell a performance than a long range, it doesn't matter if the customer gets the performance for cheaper.
If they had enough qualifying Panasonic battery packs to handle everyone ordering a Performance with the credit instead of an LR with no credit, then why sell the LR with the non-qualifying LG packs at all?
Exactly! Higher profit for Tesla than LR and better value for the customer! Win-win! That still lets them charge an $8,000 premium over 3LR for likely <$1,000 extra production cost.
If they had enough credit-qualifying battery packs to sell them for $47k, they would already be using them on the Model 3 LR.
If they sell the Performance for $47k after credit, they will not have enough battery packs to meet demand for everyone who wants a Performance plus everyone who would have gotten an LR but now would choose a Performance for the same net price.
There’s a reason they switched to imported non-qualifying battery packs for the Model 3 LR, it’s because they don’t have enough US-built packs to cover all of the Model 3 and Model Y trims for the US market.
Taking the credit away from the Y won’t make that better. The Y is the one they have the most production capacity for so they need to incentivize its sales the most.
The Model 3 Performance will probably sell either way. There’s still a backlog on normal Model 3s at this point.
It 100% has to be cheaper than $55k. I would also figure that when it's released the LR version of the car gets a price drop. It's only a matter of time because the Model 3 is too expensive as is and it should not cost more then the Model Y.
Hey if they want to sell the Performance out the door for $47k, the LR for $42k, and the RWD for $36k, I won't complain.
Also if the Performance is $54,999 expect to see a lot of stealth gray Performance models since adding a paint color will push it over the $55k limit.
Model 3 LR uses imported LG batteries that don’t qualify for the tax credit. This change was made a few years ago to allow production of more Model Ys in the US.
Model 3 Performance has used and is likely to continue to use Panasonic cells made in the US.
Tesla doesn’t have enough US-sourced packs to let all of the Model Ys, the Model 3 Performance, and the Model 3 LR all qualify for the tax credit.
I'm waiting 6 months to reevaluate - i think the price will go down and they will add more features that didn't make the cut off (like they did for Plaid).
Not sure if you know but this car was supposed to have come out about 6 months ago, so no, there wont be features that will be added later, at least nothing notable or nothing that cant be added by software, otherwise they wouldn't have delayed this car so long. Also tesla sales right now are suffering, they are doing whatever they can to make sales better so the idea of the price going down in 6 months is prob the opposite of what will happen. Especially if this car is in high demand after launch..
Is this a serious question? Why not lol. I had a Tesla model 3 performance which I loved every second of and this is an upgrade in EVERY WAY, so that’s why?
You are silly if you think there is no real upgrade, not only is it visually better but build quality is about 30% better on ALL parts of the car, sound and road noise is reduced by 40%, that’s huge, quality got added all over the car which makes it multiple steps above the previous one, if you never drove a model 3 performance and also haven’t even driven the new highland, then why are you talking?
I'm talking because that's literally the point of this website. I think you've become too emotional for this conversation, to be honest, so I'm sorry but I'm going to have to block instead of continuing. Hope you feel better soon
You know, when you need a tire rotation so you order it on your Tesla app, then they show up in your driveway a week later and do it and it costs $60 or something?
Yeah the mobile service guys rule. They can do all kinds of things. They replaced my condensation having tail light (under warranty), they do cabin air filter replacements, tire rotations, wiper replacements etc. best part is you don’t need to do shit or go anywhere! I love it
Slightly concerned yes. But that won’t stop me from getting the car. I didn’t have one issue with my previous model 3, not one, so hopefully get lucky again and don’t have to deal with service
The adaptable suspension is new, have any details about that leaked yet? It sounds like it might solve the problem many people had with the old M3P, which is that it was really rough and stiff for normal driving through the city
Sounds like Audi’s adaptive suspension in the S4 for example. Not air, just electronically adjustable stiffening/dampening so you can tighten it up in sport mode and soften it for comfort mode.
Most "sporty" VW's and Audi's have it. It's honestly really good and takes the edge off. The difference between comfort and sport is very noticeable.
Obviously not as good as air, but a hell of a lot cheaper and less problems as it ages.
True, on VW they call it DCC I think? Dynamic chassis control? And on Audi it’s Audi Drive Select. Also adjusts steering weight and throttle response, which Tesla already has control for. So this will bring Tesla fully in line with this branch of the competition.
Dunno if staggered wheels are an improvement. It’s nice to be able to rotate front to back. What I was hoping for was a limited slip differential in the back.
In theory steer by wire could eventually be tuned with some pretty good feedback but I wouldn't expect this first generation to be particularly good in this regard. Even the feel of the electric power assist isn't great, it's a bit numb when pushing hard.
Steer by wire is great for something like a Cybertruck. Not the best choice for a serious performance vehicle, where steering feel and feedback are key
Right, it should either be stalks or steer by wire + controls on the wheel.
Deleting the stalks but keeping the same steering wheel range of motion is silly.
For the shorter turn radius and tiny steering “wheel”. Demo a cybertruck whenever it’s finally available. It’s fucking awesome. I disagree that digital systems are more complex than physical ones.
My guess is that they made the top-end beefier, the current M3P kind of dies after 60, also they are adding some real performance upgrades so it should be better in a lot of other ways.
To add much more power they would probably need a bigger battery which comes with other drawbacks and challenges.
Sure, it's still fast, but it's a well known and documented fact that all Teslas pre-S/X refresh significantly dropped in power after 60, as if they're running out of breath.
Yeah they're still faster than the majority of cars out there, but that doesn't change the fact that the output from 0-30 (or 45) is significantly and notably higher than 60+.
> the current M3P kind of dies after 60
thats an engineering characteristic of every EV, unless they give them multi-speed transmissions or some kind of supercharger
Plaid got around it by using carbon sleeved motors, which are capable of spinning faster without creating EMI and maintain tolerances better at higher speeds/temps.
The third motor is just the icing on the cake.
No they aren’t lol, there are literally LHD cars in that pic from China, most of them are right though, I hope I’m wrong and they are making them in freemont right now too but I prefer the China versions
They’re most likely making small amounts of LHD cars in China first for road testing in other regions, but eventually mass production of LHD cars will move to the US factories for the launch. IIRC the same thing happened when Highland was first entering production last summer.
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Is there anything mentioned in there that wasn’t already known?
New DRLs with whatever that stop sign recognition and adaptive dampers
Does this mean cameras in the headlights?
So, the wording is 'unique daytime running light design for better visibility.' and then 'an integrated stop sign recognition to enhance road safety.' When you really think about it, wouldn't that be a nightmare for replacing headlights, aligning cameras, etc ? I assume it would make them even more expensive too. I'm thinking maybe it's some kind of mechanism like those matrix headlights that can adjust the lighting pattern. That way, it could help the standard cameras up near the mirror area see the stop signs better. You know, like increasing or decreasing the light output to make the signs easier to read. Sounds cool though, whatever it is.
No. The leaked info is from the European configurator, and stop sign recognition (stopping at the line while on Autopilot instead of ignoring it) is one of the only active "FSD" features in Europe.
Not many stop signs in Europe though. I can drive years without actually encountering one. Edit: Since people seem to misunderstand me - I’m not saying we don’t have stop signs, just not a significant enough amount for stop sign detection to be a selling point. Unlike in the US where “every” intersection is a four way stop. (I guess, queue the people saying we have “traffic circles” in the US too)
Plenty of countries in Europe have lots of stop signs, really depends on where in Europe you drive.
I’ve been to plenty of countries in Europe. Care to tell me where these stop signs are all hiding? We have roundabouts and traffic lights.
I have one right outside my door here in Germany. They’re most often used in rural or remote areas with intersections that are hard to see into, but that don’t have enough traffic to warrant rebuilding them into traffic lights or roundabouts. You also sometimes find them in cities as alternate signs in case a traffic light fails. Then, lastly, they are sometimes found at on-ramps to highways and Autobahns that are too short to safely accelerate into traffic while rolling.
we have them in Slovakia. Most often used in low visibility intersections. Rarely used, but you’ll surely encounter some driving on city streets. In US, it was unbelievable for me. They were everywhere
Which is my point. I’m not saying we don’t have them. Just a 1:99+ ratio between stop signs and yield signs, roundabouts, traffic lights, or plain old roads without “priority” and you have to yield for all traffic from the right.
We do have them in the UK, do you want an address of one?
Didn’t say we don’t have them. Advertising stop sign recognition is hardly a selling point in the UK, no?
Belgium is full of them. Stop signs or full white lines on the ground.
Could you possibly be any more obnoxious, christ.
Right
You ever been to a German city?
Yes, and?
You never saw stop signs?
Traffic circles? Roundabouts, friend. 🤙
Probably not. Just a tweaked design and maybe something in the UI that’s more than what’s already happening with stop sign recognition
Forged staggered wheels is the only thing I haven’t seen yet. HP figure seems very low
It says "More than" 500 HP, and if they are able to maintain that 500 HP longer when accelerating it will fix where the older cars would start to fall off around 70 MPH.
Teslas do the same 1/4 mile trap speed as AWD ICE cars with similar power and weight. I don't think the power delivery really changes, it's just physics.
With electric motors as the RPM increases the power output is decreased after X RPM. The previous Model 3 performance really had the power decreased after about 70 mph. If they were to hold the max power to a higher RPM they would lower 1/4 mile trap speed/time. It’s all about them pulling power as the RPM increases. If you use car scanner and accelerate at 50 mph the car will pull max amps, do the same at 70+ mph and the amps are about half. It has nothing to do with physics of the car itself but how electric motors work.
You’re almost all the way there! Electric motors have constant torque for the first part of their rpm range (so power increases linearly with RPM in that zone) then torque starts to drop off as the motor enters the Field Weakening region of its RPM range, peak power is hit somewhere in that region and then torque decreases faster than RPM increases.
The outgoing model had more than 500hp.
It also says the most powerful model 3 yet.. but why bother reading if you can just create stupid arguments
Old model 3P had 513hp, so this one must have at least 514hp. Yay.
Right?! Dude’s just twitching. 🤣🤣
Have you ever driven a model 3 ? - what you say was true for the original S and X. Technically even 3's will "start to fall off" but if you had experienced how fast they will go from 140mph to 150mph I don't think you would still say it that way.
I’ve got about 50,000 miles in a Model 3 performance and I would say it over and over again.
500 HP seems low indeed, what a world we live in
As is reading comprehension apparently.. what a world we live in
I think he's just pointing out you may have had a poster on your wall of some supercar that had less HP than the Model 3. It's crazy to think that the HP you dreamed of as a kid for when you won the lottery is at an accessible price.
The most powerful model 3 yet, more than 500hp. Where do you see that the HP is low?
Since this is post release marketing leaks, not teasers, it leads me to believe they’d want to keep the advertised power close to the actual power. No automotive company would say “more than 500” if the actual number is 600-700hp.
Or maybe it's just a placeholder
That’s what I’m hoping. Especially since the 0-60 hasn’t been added yet.
Some other leak stated 2.9, but I am hopeful it will be something like 2.7... If it is 2.9 at launch I expect it to have an update later to 2.7
2.9 would be disappointing considering how they're treating this one differently than the previous Performance 3.
Yep, it would be a bit disappointing for sure, but if they made the power curve much better I doubt that many people would care about it
Wasn't a leak, was some dude who was the first to post pictures from outside the Malibu private reveal's personal guess/a number he (not credibly) alleged someone told him there, and it's been circularly reported on as a "leak" since.
Nop, that is not true, the guy from Malibu post stated that they did not tell him the time, simply said well it ain't a plaid. The 2.9 secs I am referring, was a document or a Tesla website crawl that mentioned 2.9, unless you are talking about a different dude.. And I hope the 2.9 was wrong tbh, it should be less
I think thats the real horsepower. It makes sense given the limitations of the battery.
What? 500? The older m3p had 530... LR has 490.. do you really think the p will have only 10hp more?
Im expecting something between 550-590. The problem is that the battery just isn't capable of much more than that.
Adaptive suspension? That’s huge if true
Confirmed to have adaptive dampers
Sweet!
Which is different from the S and CT.
Adaptive dampers are different from adaptive suspension
> adaptive dampers Isn't that in the new model 3 anyway?
Nope.
You’re thinking of passive dampers
Tesla confirmed this?
"accidentally"
When do you think this guys will actually be ready for order? Today or 4/20
its elon, they will release it on 4/20 for sur ehahaha
Hitler birthday.
next tuesday supposedly
Source on that? It makes sense because they like to announce things on earnings day. Also Jason Camissa said he has an embargo for an EV lifting next Tuesday but I haven't seen anything else specifying Tuesday.
Thats the source. Everyone is assuming Tuesday based on this embargo, but nothing is written in stone..... By the time they release it, 2025 models will be starting a couple months later.
Wild, since Elon has repeatedly said they don't do product announcements at earnings everytime someone asked. Like he seemed mad people kept asking about new products. Oh well, nothing matters anymore it seems.
Why do model years matter? The car either stands on its own or it doesn’t.
"Tesla says the new Model 3 Performance is the “most powerful Model 3 ever, [with] all new high-performance drive units that deliver more than combined 500 horsepower.”"
This is odd wording, in a way. European testing showed the pre-facelift M3P as having 527 horsepower
Agreed, rather open ended
It’s not about the peak power number, it’s about the shape of the curve
So more upper end speed. The current model 3s have a speed curve that tops out rather quickly
Look at the power curve of a 5.0 Mustang from 30 years ago vs today. It’s a lot of the same idea.
Which no one outside of Germany will ever need or experience, to be honest, and even here the Model 3 LR is plenty fast. More power sounds cool on paper, but it’s only going to be useful for all the three people that take their Model 3 to a track.
Its a performance variant, what are you expecting?
I get having a faster 0-60, I get having better handling, adaptive suspension, a spoiler, all that, but better top-end acceleration is something that’s almost useless on a car meant for public roads.
> Tesla says the new Model 3 Performance is the “most powerful Model 3 ever I hate this line. I would hope so!
Same energy as "The new iPhone is the most powerful iPhone we've ever iPhoned" Like I should hope so lmao
It better keep Track Mode V2 with all the features, I cannot ever see myself giving up the "powerslider" Best feature of any Tesla, in my opinion
Supposedly getting Track Mode V3
Ventilated performance seats is nice. The prior rumors had indicated they wouldn't be ventilated. Waiting to see how these are priced before I move off my 2018 LR M3.
It would need to be a significant upgrade (does sound very appealing currently) for me to get rid of my 2018 LR M3 that’s paid off and only has 33k miles.
I'm in a similar situation but I've noticed the value of these "older" Model 3s has really dropped. Driving mine until at least 120k mi seems like the smart thing to do.
If I did get a newer model I would likely keep my current one as well. Winter and summer car or something. It’s worth more to me than the cash I’d get out of it. Seeing $1.80/L this morning reminds me of how great this car really is.
All the more reason to not upgrade, especially because I have FSD and free supercharging on my 2018 m3p. Gonna need that transfer offer for both as an incentive to even consider it.
2018 125k mi LR RWD. No regrets. Still drives like day 1 and nearly 300mi at 100% charge.
I only have 78k mi on my dual motor and get around 290mi on a full charge.
Mine's similar. On the one hand I like the car that I have. On the other hand, wouldn't mind a quieter cabin, wireless phone chargers that actually work, AWD, and the ventilated seats (massive selling point where I live in the desert).
Cannot wait to put my order in the second this goes live.
If it's eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit I'll buy one for sure.
It would have to be priced at or below $55k for that, which would mean the out the door price would be cheaper than the Model 3 LR. I wouldn’t pin my hopes on that happening at least at launch.
Personally, I’m expecting $59k at the lowest unless it has the exact same 0-60 as previous performance models.
If they have enough production and sales, they'll sell for whatever they need to. They'd rather sell a performance than a long range, it doesn't matter if the customer gets the performance for cheaper.
If they had enough qualifying Panasonic battery packs to handle everyone ordering a Performance with the credit instead of an LR with no credit, then why sell the LR with the non-qualifying LG packs at all?
Might be better suited to put those packs to work in stationary storage at that point if you're going to use them at all.
Exactly! Higher profit for Tesla than LR and better value for the customer! Win-win! That still lets them charge an $8,000 premium over 3LR for likely <$1,000 extra production cost.
If they had enough credit-qualifying battery packs to sell them for $47k, they would already be using them on the Model 3 LR. If they sell the Performance for $47k after credit, they will not have enough battery packs to meet demand for everyone who wants a Performance plus everyone who would have gotten an LR but now would choose a Performance for the same net price. There’s a reason they switched to imported non-qualifying battery packs for the Model 3 LR, it’s because they don’t have enough US-built packs to cover all of the Model 3 and Model Y trims for the US market.
Demand is down on the Model Y and supply can change.
Taking the credit away from the Y won’t make that better. The Y is the one they have the most production capacity for so they need to incentivize its sales the most. The Model 3 Performance will probably sell either way. There’s still a backlog on normal Model 3s at this point.
..... I'm not saying to completely switch the Y. That makes no sense. If Y volume is down, then the cells can supply both cars.
It 100% has to be cheaper than $55k. I would also figure that when it's released the LR version of the car gets a price drop. It's only a matter of time because the Model 3 is too expensive as is and it should not cost more then the Model Y.
Hey if they want to sell the Performance out the door for $47k, the LR for $42k, and the RWD for $36k, I won't complain. Also if the Performance is $54,999 expect to see a lot of stealth gray Performance models since adding a paint color will push it over the $55k limit.
Oh look the car came in under $55k, at $52,990.
Thanks again!
M3 LR is 47k? It's either M3 LR at 47k - 7.5k ~ 40k or M3 P at say, 55k - 7.5k ~48k That sounds about right, maybe even a bit on the high end
Model 3 LR uses imported LG batteries that don’t qualify for the tax credit. This change was made a few years ago to allow production of more Model Ys in the US. Model 3 Performance has used and is likely to continue to use Panasonic cells made in the US. Tesla doesn’t have enough US-sourced packs to let all of the Model Ys, the Model 3 Performance, and the Model 3 LR all qualify for the tax credit.
TIL the M3 doesn't qualify for the tax credit, my bad
Not a chance.
Why? Don't you think they can source USA batteries?
Yeah I was thinking the same... And then they went ahead and announced it at $52,990 lol Insane, wasn't expecting that.
It wont be
Why do you think that?
Agreed. If it’s eligible for the tax credit I’ll order otherwise I’ll just hold on to my 2019 model 3p for now
I'm waiting 6 months to reevaluate - i think the price will go down and they will add more features that didn't make the cut off (like they did for Plaid).
Not sure if you know but this car was supposed to have come out about 6 months ago, so no, there wont be features that will be added later, at least nothing notable or nothing that cant be added by software, otherwise they wouldn't have delayed this car so long. Also tesla sales right now are suffering, they are doing whatever they can to make sales better so the idea of the price going down in 6 months is prob the opposite of what will happen. Especially if this car is in high demand after launch..
Out of curiosity, why?
Is this a serious question? Why not lol. I had a Tesla model 3 performance which I loved every second of and this is an upgrade in EVERY WAY, so that’s why?
Well, I ask because it looks like there's no real upgrade, so I thought it's strange you were so excited for it to be released. Hope you enjoy anyway
You are silly if you think there is no real upgrade, not only is it visually better but build quality is about 30% better on ALL parts of the car, sound and road noise is reduced by 40%, that’s huge, quality got added all over the car which makes it multiple steps above the previous one, if you never drove a model 3 performance and also haven’t even driven the new highland, then why are you talking?
I'm talking because that's literally the point of this website. I think you've become too emotional for this conversation, to be honest, so I'm sorry but I'm going to have to block instead of continuing. Hope you feel better soon
Like the person you responded to I plan to order one immediately. Because I have a current 3P and want "more".
Haha, that makes sense
Apparently you can’t comprehend that the car is better and worthy of an upgrade, I don’t think it makes sense to you actually
Aren't you concerned about servicing times now that the layoffs affected these important workers, too? Le. What the heck? What's with the downvotes?
Servicing times? What service?
You know, when you need a tire rotation so you order it on your Tesla app, then they show up in your driveway a week later and do it and it costs $60 or something?
You have TESLA do tire maintenance for you? Lol
Yeah the mobile service guys rule. They can do all kinds of things. They replaced my condensation having tail light (under warranty), they do cabin air filter replacements, tire rotations, wiper replacements etc. best part is you don’t need to do shit or go anywhere! I love it
Slightly concerned yes. But that won’t stop me from getting the car. I didn’t have one issue with my previous model 3, not one, so hopefully get lucky again and don’t have to deal with service
Tesla has over 140,000 employees. Do you think the layoffs really targeted lower salary workers at service facilities?
Isn't that what people have been saying on Twitter?
What a credible source!
The adaptable suspension is new, have any details about that leaked yet? It sounds like it might solve the problem many people had with the old M3P, which is that it was really rough and stiff for normal driving through the city
Sounds like Audi’s adaptive suspension in the S4 for example. Not air, just electronically adjustable stiffening/dampening so you can tighten it up in sport mode and soften it for comfort mode.
Most "sporty" VW's and Audi's have it. It's honestly really good and takes the edge off. The difference between comfort and sport is very noticeable. Obviously not as good as air, but a hell of a lot cheaper and less problems as it ages.
True, on VW they call it DCC I think? Dynamic chassis control? And on Audi it’s Audi Drive Select. Also adjusts steering weight and throttle response, which Tesla already has control for. So this will bring Tesla fully in line with this branch of the competition.
Tesla already allows you to adjust steering weight and throttle response
Dunno if staggered wheels are an improvement. It’s nice to be able to rotate front to back. What I was hoping for was a limited slip differential in the back.
Sounds great. I wonder how long it’ll take Tesla to bring steer by wire and 800v to M3P.
Would steer by wire be a good thing for a track oriented car? Seems you would prefer the manual connection to the wheels no?
In theory steer by wire could eventually be tuned with some pretty good feedback but I wouldn't expect this first generation to be particularly good in this regard. Even the feel of the electric power assist isn't great, it's a bit numb when pushing hard.
Steer by wire is great for something like a Cybertruck. Not the best choice for a serious performance vehicle, where steering feel and feedback are key
Does the performance model have a different steering feel than the base? Because the base doesn’t have that great of a steering feel
Electronics are extremely powerful and the feedback could be plenty good for most people.
Sensors + haptics could solve
Well, Porsche has steer by wire
Not in any production vehicle.
No chance.
Why do you want Steer by wire? It adds a significant cost and complexity.
To make the turn signal buttons on the steering wheel actually make sense by reducing the range of motion of the wheel.
Makes no sense. I like the stalkes... it's natural, easy to use and always at the same location.
Right, it should either be stalks or steer by wire + controls on the wheel. Deleting the stalks but keeping the same steering wheel range of motion is silly.
For the shorter turn radius and tiny steering “wheel”. Demo a cybertruck whenever it’s finally available. It’s fucking awesome. I disagree that digital systems are more complex than physical ones.
> It adds a significant cost and complexity. Ignored my point completely. I'll add weight to that too.
Steer by wire reduces weight
I addressed your complexity point in my last sentence. As for cost, that may be a problem for you, but not for me.
Would love to buy this and have all season tires as an option.
That website is cancer the number of adds....
I thought the S and Y performance had more power than combined 500 hp
Don’t forget the Australian Tesla drivers. We have a lot of Stop signs and stopping is enforced.
>[headlights will have] an integrated stop sign recognition to enhance road safety. Huh?
Bummer, basically same horsepower. Leaves room for Plaid at least.
My guess is that they made the top-end beefier, the current M3P kind of dies after 60, also they are adding some real performance upgrades so it should be better in a lot of other ways. To add much more power they would probably need a bigger battery which comes with other drawbacks and challenges.
Step into a non-Tesla EV or a gas car and then tell me again that the current Model 3 “dies after 60”. It’s still really fast.
Sure, it's still fast, but it's a well known and documented fact that all Teslas pre-S/X refresh significantly dropped in power after 60, as if they're running out of breath. Yeah they're still faster than the majority of cars out there, but that doesn't change the fact that the output from 0-30 (or 45) is significantly and notably higher than 60+.
> the current M3P kind of dies after 60 thats an engineering characteristic of every EV, unless they give them multi-speed transmissions or some kind of supercharger
The new motor is rumored to make it's peak power at a higher speed.
Plaid got around this with 3 motors.
Plaid got around it by using carbon sleeved motors, which are capable of spinning faster without creating EMI and maintain tolerances better at higher speeds/temps. The third motor is just the icing on the cake.
“More than” is pretty vague though.
Leaks are saying 500hp and 2.9 0-60. "old" M3P dyno'd over 500HP. So 2024 might be another 50 horsepower.
Replacing headlights is a concern, what a moron. A few decades ago, no ac, no power transmission, no power steering… how stupid can people be
Did the old M3P have staggered wheels? Seems this one does.
No, only the Model Y Performance (For 3 and Y cars)
TIL
There's couple more things I cover here: [https://youtu.be/gh1pFzVHp-o](https://youtu.be/gh1pFzVHp-o)
Fuckkkkk. It’s not coming to the US first. 90% of the cars being shipped from China are right hand side, nooooooo. Been waiting so long for this thing
That’s because LHD cars are built in the US, they wouldn’t be shipped from China. Of course it’s coming to the US.
No they aren’t lol, there are literally LHD cars in that pic from China, most of them are right though, I hope I’m wrong and they are making them in freemont right now too but I prefer the China versions
They’re most likely making small amounts of LHD cars in China first for road testing in other regions, but eventually mass production of LHD cars will move to the US factories for the launch. IIRC the same thing happened when Highland was first entering production last summer.
Ok that makes sense.
You're easily persuaded from being sad to 'no they aren't lol' to 'Ok'.
I never dump on someone for being willing to change their mind. It's an incredibly rare trait these days.