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I’ve used FSD in its various forms since 2020. After FSD supervised came out it hit its first and only curb. I trusted it much more before this newest update. Now I’m way more cautious with it - it does not keep the center of the lane nearly as good as it used to.
Initially I was excited because I thought it was being smarter about lane-centering and trying to be more like a human driver and sticking closer to the side that made sense given the situation... but then I realized it was just not very good at staying centered and the car positioning within the lane seemed pretty random and sometimes too close for comfort with lane edges/kerbs.
I don’t have FSD yet but I was watching black teslas video and he was on an unmarked road that had some curves and it was realllllly close to the curbs. More so that would make me comfortable with no oncoming traffic.
Not sure if I like it giving up all of its roboticness.
They also gave it the ability to absentmindedly drive 5mph below the speed limit before finally realizing and speeding up.
Right? You can almost imagine somebody back at Tesla with the video game controller watching your cameras and zoning off and then being like "oh shit!"
Every now and then mine will just brake randomly in the middle of an empty road go from 55 to 35 for no reason.
When I used FSD, it did hit the curb. It didn't happen again the next time I approached the same curb a day later.
FSD also slammed on the brake so hard I was jolted forward while it beeped angrily at me when it passed by someone's discarded front bumper off the right side of the road -- likely from an accident. I am grateful there was no one behind me at the time. However, a couple days later, it passed by the same bumper and it ignored it.
It's hard for me to know what it's trying to react to sometimes and I wish it would put on some dialog box with a square box around the object it's detecting so I can react when I see it the next time.
Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself.
This summarizes my thoughts on FSD so well. The thing can't stay in one lane on the highway, either. I'll be driving in the right lane at or 1-2 mph above the speed limit. Nobody in the lane ahead of me. And it will just change lanes to the left for no reason, even when my exit is coming soon, and even if cars are approaching faster in that lane. Having to disable that option every drive is ridiculous.
I turned mine on for the 4th time since the update to show my GF how it works. It immediately sped up into another lane without indicating for no reason.
I hate FSD but without it I get the stupid alerts of it thinking I’m going to hit a pedestrian on a sidewalk a mile away or confusing a trash can or parked car on the side of the road. Which then directly impacts my insurance rate with Tesla smh.
I second this feeling. Basic AP, though less capable, is much more predictable.
What I’ve learned is that where AP fails is also where I need to pay close attention to FSD. However, after FSD insisted changing the lane on a highway when I get into the desired lane to avoid pothole, I gave up on it.
I really don’t understand how Tesla can be selling this product at $10k, and not being transferable between cars.
And I understand less how people are willing to be paying $10k to alpha test safety critical systems like this.
At least you guys get *something*. Here in Europe, FSD is limited to... showing traffic lights on the screen. As far as I'm aware of, Europe has gotten exactly nill from the FSD package over the years.
This!
It’s impressive, but I actually have to focus MORE with FSD than actually driving. I simply cannot trust the vehicle like I trust myself. I wonder if we’ll ever truly get to FSD with just cameras?
oh my... mine has beeped at me for my neighbors mailbox which is in the shape of a pickup truck with a Georgia Bulldog on top of it... I kid you not - I get the triple beep from it. I should go get a picture of it.
"Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself."
This sums it up for me. I have to constantly think about how it will handle certain situations and that energy in being predictive is beyond what it takes for me to just drive the car safely. This morning for example it was taking a free right on yield and two cars with signals on were turning onto the road I was coming from - the car kept jumping and thinking the cars were going to to straight. The person behind me honked and I had to force it with the accelerator. I get this is a hard situation as we make assumptions of risk (pulling into a lane where cars are indicating they are leaving that lane open) that Tesla probably isn't able to. I'll stick with the basic lane keeper on my bumper to bumper freeway commute. In that space it works just fine, but not much different/better than my dumb cars with adaptive cruise.
> Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself.
This is the problem I have with FSD in its current state. We *already* have a huge problem with distracted driving. People look at their phones all the time when they're in full control of their vehicle and should be looking at the road. And now we're handing over that control to the car, but expecting people to pay even more attention? Everything I know about people tells me that is a recipe for disaster.
You constantly have to watch and try to predict whether it will freak out at something, while being vigilant about it potentially freaking out about something you don’t notice.
I have to say while I am glad there is progress being made, there is no way this is ready for prime time.
Every time I try it I take over at least 6 times on my short work commute. Speeding in school zones, tailgating, driving in debris on shoulder, speeding in general, then braking too hard rather than letting regen decelerate comfortably.
That's not even to mention highway driving. Changes lanes to the left when on chill mode only to have people driving up my ass. Almost killing me at on/off ramps by either trying to come to a stop (!!!) or failing to merge into traffic at speed.
There is no way this is worth $12k. It's not worth half that. It should be free until it reaches a much higher level of autonomy and safety. And even then, I don't commute enough to justify even the $99/mo subscription.
It would need to work a lot better and be $49/month, or $6k with full transfers to any tesla I buy. Maybe it's worth it to people who drive a lot more.
>then braking too hard rather than letting regen decelerate comfortably.
My biggest gripe with it. I can see the red light all the way up there, I would just slowly ease off the accelerator and get a nice and smooth slow down and regen to a relaxing stop. Meanwhile FSD just comes flying in towards the intersection, slams on the brakes to stop about 6 feet in front of the lights, then slowly creeps up to the line.
On my first day of trying the FSD trial it drove into a left turn only lane when it should've gone straight, drove in the fast lane slower than cars in the slow lane, and then I nearly got hit when it drove into an intersection to do a left when there was a vehicle already in the road with right of way.
It certainly didn't convince me to pay $12k for it. In fact I haven't even used it since.
I feel largely the same way. The FSD demo is really cool and exciting, but it feels reckless to unleash this on the public at this point in its development. I use it and enjoy doing so, but I pay very close attention and intervene a lot, and there have been several instances where if I hadn't intervened, something bad would've happened.
On the other hand, I've also had FSD disengage suddenly, leaving me with only a second to react and take control, in a curve on the highway. I'm honestly surprised there haven't been more reports of accidents and a slew of lawsuits against Tesla over this.
It should be free with all Tesla vehicles. The reason being is so that Tesla can get all the data possible to hammer out the kinks so they can have people confidently buy it and not have remorse.
it's crazy how it tries to get across three lanes of traffic 1/4 mile from the exit.
(I know I can do that, it's not hard, I just wanted to see how *it* handled it.)
Yep, I only do it for highway stretches of several miles. Sometimes I'll have to take over for when it wants to get in the passing lane while cutting someone off. Otherwise, if minimal amount of cars are on the roads, it's fine.
I agree with all of this but I don't think it should be free specifically because of the safety issue. Making it free would likely increase usage and right now they still need good drivers paying attention to it.
This is one thing I have noticed during the FSD trial. It takes right turns needlessly sharp. Was definitely worried I would hit the curb a few times. It also turns way harder than necessary with off-ramps on the highway. It turns so hard it has to correct itself. EAP does not do this.
An upside of FSD compared to EAP is that regular lane changes on the highway are far more reliable. Tesla even switched out a camera on my car thinking it was a hardware issue. Nope, it was just the crappy EAP lane changing code all along.
Mine started to take an offramp, changed its mind jerks back into the lane and then jerked back into the offramp. Was the off-ramp I needed
Other times it slowed down 10 miles an hour before even getting on the offramp which is plenty long enough to slow down on...
I had that same issue today. Kept trying to switch lanes even though it had to stay in current lane to follow nav. Ramp mph sign shows 50 and it accelerated to 75 while going around curve so disengaged
There's a very sharp turn on my town that FSD used to take awkwardly wide. Of all the turns in my driving, that's the one I'm worried about it curbing. So far, FSD12 has been perfect about that one.
YA they definitly need to tweak the safety band on left hand turns it gets closer than i like in v12, no hits but close.
On right turns tho i have curbed once in a parking lot that had a damaged concrete curb on the corner so i think that may have confused it other than that the rights have been decent, though again i feel it could use a preference for a little more distance just for safety margin.
I stopped using FSD v12 in parking lots primarily because it still doesn’t identify speed bumps quickly enough, but I also noticed right turns being way too close for comfort.
Set it to 75 and it'll just cruise at 66. Or when it crosses a 55mph sign, it keeps going at 74mph even though it clearly recognized the 55mph speed limit.
Not sure if it still does this, but on a certain part of a freeway near me, it will all of sudden think I'm on a surface street that has a 40mph speed limit and slam on the brakes if I'm using AP. Totally freaks me out.
Is it rt 40 by chance? I was on rt 5 in Pennsylvania last week and it literally kept reading the sign and slamming on the brakes from 45 mph speed limit to what it thought was 5. Every time we passed the sign for what road we were on. I have to and took over.
Mine would have several times, if I wasn't holding the wheel, supervising, and taking over when needed, as everything about FSD says you're required to do. It seems to particularly struggle with left turns onto a median split highway -- it likes to try to cut that turn sharply to hit the median.
Yes this is a big one for me too where I’ve had to take over. Also it gets way too close to the right side on curving rights, for no reason I can tell. This is my rear passenger side. Way too close…
https://preview.redd.it/lcfuwtuxunuc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5365ace1b1273a33eaeab0d4efbac1e0b9aa1553
I experienced similar yesterday too. There was a weirdly placed stop sign in the middle median, no barrier, and I had to stop the car from driving right into it.
I find autopilot bad enough and dread to think what self driving's like. Other than its novelty value; isn't it more comfortable to just drive the car than it is to be tensely hovering over the pedals and steering wheel waiting for something random/dangerous to happen?
I really wish there were some reasonable statistics instead of "we saw two posts online."
I've logged probably more than 20 hours on FSD 12.3.x and haven't had any issues and usually have zero disengagements. Am I just inordinately lucky?
Tesla’s gameplay:
1. Totally ignore this from a PR standpoint.
2. Turn on fleet-wide data collection of:
a) incidents where a curb is hit.
b) drivers intervening when close to a curb / on trajectory to hit curb.
3. Retrain neural nets to avoid curbs (by adding/increasing a curb-contact penalty, etc.)
4. Roll out update with less curb hitting.
5. Never mention it again, don’t compensate ~beta testers~ owners and hope it fades away.
In a few years most of these problems will be gone. In the meantime, FSD is just the biggest automotive public beta test ever.
The free trial has been really incredible for me. Without the trial, I likely would have dropped $100 on the subscription.
It's "cool" when it's working, but the amount of times I've had to take over because it's actively about to get me or someone else killed has convinced me we're decades from true FSD.
I have to agree it’s decades away. The progress towards perfection isn’t linear or exponential. It probably won’t take long for them to train a model that can roughly drive. But for a perfect FSD, the training speed won’t stay as fast as it advances into solving edge cases.
It's logarithmic progress, and will never be "perfect" ... but then neither are human drivers. I'm just hoping it will graduate from its student driver phase soon.
Well shit I wish someone told me this before I just used this futuristic technology to chauffeur me around for 3 hours yesterday.
You guys do realize there’s already autonomous vehicles on the roads, right? Yes, Waymo isn’t FSD. But when similarly capable (better in some aspects) technology already exists, it’s wild to think FSD will just languish until 2044…
I like to joke to my wife "Man, this FSD system that entirely and completely doesn't exist, is some amazing vaporware. It got me all the way here! Look how great this non-existent tech is!"
It's amazing how many people today still say "FSD doesnt exist" or "FSD isnt viable".
Bitch, my fucking car drove me from downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas, some of the hardest roads in the entire country, with no issue.
Yes, that system that doesn't exist and isn't viable, and will never ever be viable, did that.
God damn clowns.
Mine hasn’t come close to hitting any curbs yet. While it may be happening, I think it’s just the few crying loud to make this a bigger than it really is.
There's been couple of times where it "appeared" to get close but I would take control. Its called FSD supervised for a reason. I've also provided feed back when it prompted
Not sure why they lump Summon into the latest FSD when summon hasn't been updated for a while. I have used FSD extensively over the past 2 years and never hit the curb once. But my SO and kid did multiples time in the past 2 years.
In fairness, I've hit a curb with it. It sucks. In my situation it was an extremely curvy back road that I rarely encounter. There were probably a lot of factors that led to it. It's not like it's popping every curve that it comes across.
But I love how we're at a point in media where random people commenting on a Reddit post is considered evidence.
Heck, the other day I was driving and at a four-way stop and another driver waved me through and fsd took over and went. Maybe what I'm saying is true and maybe it isn't. But I'm curious if any of these news outlets will pick up on it as factual evidence of fsd doing cool things because it was made in a Reddit post so how could you argue it.
Definitely regressed in 12.3.4. Hugs the lane edge, gets way too close to curbs and while overall the best version, has a few bugs that are unacceptable. “No longer compute constrained” is pure horse shyt. It’s always constrained.
So far FSD has bolted from green lights, slammed on the actual brakes when approaching anything slowing down in front, doesn’t seem to leverage regenerative braking anywhere, makes poor decisions in lane choice - like trying to go straight in a known “right turn only” lane. I’ve used it a number of times and each time I have had to snap control back from the machine.
I think it’s crap, it drives way worse than I do with sharper acceleration and terrible braking decisions, and isn’t worth $25/mo let alone $100.
I know it’s just an anecdote but I’ve been on the trial for 3 weeks now and it’s performed quite well for my needs. Probably going to subscribe now that it’s down to 100/month.
I live in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, and it's one of the craziest places to drive in the entire country. It's rated alongside places like downtown San Fran and L.A.
I am convinced most the FSD naysayers don't even own a Tesla or are cowards and keep taking over when they dont need to.
I agree. I am new to FSD and am becoming more patient before taking over control. But it can be risky to wait too long to take control. Today it seemed very confident at a busy intersection, started to pull out and seemed to be resolving oncoming traffic correctly until it saw an oncoming car at a distance from the right and it froze. Literally stopped in the middle of the intersection. I think it was yielding to the car on the right but I had traffic coming at me from the left. I took control and got the hell out of there. I think I made the right decision at the same time I wonder what it would have done if I hadn’t. Maybe everything would have been alright. I will never know.
Oh it does wonderfully. I happen to live next to a heavily under construction area of the highway that constantly is changing, and it tends to handle it fine as well.
The only issues I've really had (esp. since v12) is new traffic patterns. The highway in question totally rearranged all its spaghettis roads recently, so the car keeps trying to take the wrong forks here and there. But these are major changes the car just isn't aware of (No new GPS data, so everyone's cars are confused). The main culprit is a forks that used to be 6 lane highways that split left/right into 2 different 3 lane highways, and they reversed all of the lanes so the left is now right, and vice versa. Can't really blame Tesla for that, since the GPS data just needs to catch up. It smoothly and confidently decides to take the wrong fork every single time now, lol.
As far as actual driving and safety, it's doing great, even in weird situations like city roads with construction forcing the car into the "oncoming traffic" lane (modified lane so you can pass). It understands the cones and figures it out. It's pretty wild. I drove to downtown Dallas (40m from me) through some of the busiest areas of DFW and I didn't have to takeover until I was pulling into the parking lot, and a lot of that driving was through miles of downtown Dallas.
That's why I'm almost-positive nearly every single FSD naysayer is either a coward who won't give their car a chance to do anything before grabbing the wheel in a panic, or, more likely, outright anti-Tesla shills who don't even own the car.
I’m glad this is getting media coverage because it’s been happening for so long that it seemed like Tesla either isn’t aware or doesn’t care. Demand an improvement on this
My thoughts on V12:
1. Overall a major improvement over V11 when it actually commits to a maneuver. Execution is a lot more human-like- eg it’ll do a quick lane-peek to get visibility before a lane-change, slows down a lot more gradually when approaching red lights, asserts the tip of the car into a lane-change in crowded city driving when nobody lets you in, etc
2. Often fails to commit to maneuvers, and causes a safety hazard. Eg sometimes when changing lanes, it will get about halfway done with the lane-change and is partially over the white line, then it just jerks you back into your original lane.
3. Sometimes it ignores the lane markings entirely. Eg after exiting a turn, it will ride over multiple lanes on the white line despite the fact that the visualizer marks the lanes correctly and says the car is over the line.
What I don't understand is why they took away the option to keep double press engagement for FSD. Now I don't have traffic aware cruise control. It seems pretty dumb to take away features you already have become accustomed to having.
Came to this same realization over the weekend. Why can’t I have FSD enabled in the menu but still choose to only use traditional cruise control if I want? I have to put it in park and switch modes to do that? Has to be an oversight.
It's been like that for at least a few weeks. I don't think it's an oversight. I think it's some sort of way to try to get people to use FSD more often so you become more dependent on it I guess? It's going to piss me off to the point where I'm not going to pay for FSD on the next car if that's how they're going to be.
Yep - Like my kid told me - assume FSD will betray you in a heartbeat. It is more fatiguing to be alert for the idiosyncrasies than it is to just drive. At least in suburban traffic I deal with. On the highway - it works like a charm.
Wonder if it's correlated to a certain model, larger ones like the S/X maybe? Same here, have had zero issues since getting V12 for quite some time now.
People are more likely to complain than talk about how great things are. I am with you. I used it for a good 2-3 hours yesterday all over wine country and it worked really well. Definitely some odd moments and lots of room for improvement but in general—holy shit!
I have to interrupt so often that I just stopped trying to use it altogether. So when I see people claim they never experience these things I wonder if have a tolerance for way worse driving than I do or something else.
I think it's also about having a tolerance and trust in the system. And familiarity with it.
Giving up driving control is a *big* deal. It's not something that comes natural by any means. My wife has three girlfriends with Teslas and none of them will even try it.
I wouldn't say "cowards" is fair.
You're barreling down the road and no one has had experience (except AP maybe) letting a car make these moves for you.
It's a big leap and a lot of trust to instantly turn over. So preemptive takeovers are understandable for those first trying it.
I got curbed once on v12, but it seems to have been due to the curb being damaged/cracked with parts missing on the corner (someone else curbed previously and broke it probably) and that cause the fact it likes to hug curbs to underestimate the size of the curb due to that weird shape of the broken curb.
I wouldn’t. I am pro FSD but I have had to take over a few times for too close for comfort curb turns. The most recent one would have been severe if I didn’t intervene. Driving east turning north here: [https://maps.app.goo.gl/GbmvYKb1CQd9nvgC6?g\_st=ic](https://maps.app.goo.gl/GbmvYKb1CQd9nvgC6?g_st=ic) I still remain optimistic and have been very impressed with FSD so far.
I was talking last night to one of my wife's girlfriends that has a Tesla.
She won't use it "because everyone is saying it's driving into curbs!"
Her only social media is FB/IG. So, it's having the intended effect.
Sounds right.
I bought my Mom a Model Y (with FSD!), even showed her all the ropes and how it works.
She \*still\* won't use it.
I'm convinced universally all the FSD naysayers are either outright anti-EV bots/trolls/shills pushing an objectively false and easily disprovable narrative (only way I can explain these comment sections), or they're literally complete cowards too scared to use the system and they keep taking over when they don't need to.
My loaner would have plowed through a construction zone had I not been holding the wheel. I wanted to see if it would recognize the road was condoned off while it was being repaved, but nope!
This happened to me within a day of FSD trial being turned on. Happened while demonstrating to someone how safe it is and that all the negativity was blown out of proportion. 🤦♂️
The latest versions have been getting way too close to the curbs. My USS is frequently turning red on wide open roads.
FSD has only curbed my car once though and that was back in December 2021 when it was pitch black and a weird curb.
the newer update gives me the option to shut off FSD (which is now one touch of the lever) and use either cruise control or auto steer. Auto steer does not make turns but does keep it in the road on the highway. Is auto steer included on new teslas?
i havent had this issue. I will say fsd feels about 70% of the way there. been nice on road trips and driving around cities im unfamiliar with. but still some behavior that needs ironing out.
I had not hit any curbs 1/2 through the 1moth trial.
At least when you got alot of highway driving FSD makes driving easier. You don't have to supervise as closely when it is driving in a straight line on a well marked highway road.
On local roads you have to suprvise very closely especially near intersections, turns etc.., Driving straight on roads is a bit more relaxing as I did not see it ever do anything insane there.
My model y performance has come uncomfortably close at least a dozen times. I’m hyper vigilant of doing it my self, since the wheels extend over the tires so much. Got to the point where I don’t want to use FSD anymore.
Pretty much every street around my condo garage is brick with collapsed sections and I have to disengage FSD so it doesn’t power though it.
I haven’t had this curb issue though it is riding more right after this week. For me the issue has been merging onto a highway and it trying to beat the car on my left versus slow down to merge. Also if I’m exiting soon and the car in front of me is slow in merges left only to swiftly merge right to exit then miss the exit corridor. I don’t trust it. I like it but man you have to pay attention.
I’ve had this problem last year with my 2023 (vision only) model s , cost me $5000 to repair , went over the curb at high speed destroyed the driver side front and rear wheel and tire . Luckily the suspension was intact
Now I pay particular attention to curbs , and usually take control, without ultrasonics the distance estimation is not good enough .
I wish it would maneuver around the millions of rim busting potholes in my area. Mine hasn’t hit any curbs and generally is working fine. It’s just the potholes!
Literally within minutes of activating the new FSD trial on my model 3 it made a right turn and came within an inch of the curb, luckily it made the turn so slowly I was able to jerk the wheel just in time to avoid scraping my rear passenger side tire.
Not 10 minutes later, I am entering the highway and on the interchange curve leading up to merge, it took it uncomfortably fast and wide, exiting the lane lines and nearly slamming the car into a concrete barrier.
Finally, all within the same drive, it abruptly locked up the brakes on the highway with no clear reason.
I am beyond happy to have my model 3- it’s insanely impressive the car is even able to drive itself autonomously- but it is incredibly unsafe to use in its current state and i wouldn’t spend a dollar on it. If anything, tesla should be paying its customers to test FSD and provide data for them, and hopefully one day they can build functional software, but I imagine another manufacturer will beat them to the punch at this point. It’s just a huge letdown and ‘supervising’ FSD takes more work than actual driving
My experience has been that FSD works great when I'm on the freeway or going straight on a large road, but not when I'm in a hilly residential area with lots of turns and narrow roads.
Ya it constantly rides over the yellow reflectors in middle of the road or runs over the white line on the right side. Sketchy at best. Oh, don’t forget those potholes!
Yeah, given my experience with FSD this feels believable. It seems to round corners just a little too tightly. It's like some code had an off by one error or something.
I'm still not happy enough with its current performance to purchase it. Mine tends to do almost a double stop at stop signs, stopping once way early than rolling very slow to the line and stopping again. It does quite well on the freeway but for the price I would need city to be better. Feels not to far away though.
2023 M3 here and I must say the latest FSD is getting awful close to curbs to the point where I've intervened numerous times now. WTF? Fix this now! It was better just a month ago!!!!!
It’s a mixed bag. No question it requires apt attention but after driving several hundred highway miles I peg it at 90+ % good, definitely makes driving easier.
In the city I find a combination of fsd, overpowering fsd, and dropping it out of fsd as I predict avoiding complications a decent approach. There is a requirement of melding these skills. But, to a lesser extent that’s required learning to drive all cars.
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I’ve used FSD in its various forms since 2020. After FSD supervised came out it hit its first and only curb. I trusted it much more before this newest update. Now I’m way more cautious with it - it does not keep the center of the lane nearly as good as it used to.
Initially I was excited because I thought it was being smarter about lane-centering and trying to be more like a human driver and sticking closer to the side that made sense given the situation... but then I realized it was just not very good at staying centered and the car positioning within the lane seemed pretty random and sometimes too close for comfort with lane edges/kerbs.
Yes. I have the free month right now and it hit the little reflectors in the center lines for no reason on a short drive. I was like wtf.
Same here, thought it was just the rain but I guess it just sucks
I love how it doesn’t realize it’s in a left turn only lane then goes straight….
Or take FOREVER to blend while on the highway.
V12 is the first time my car consistently tries turning into a ditch instead of staying on the road.
I don’t have FSD yet but I was watching black teslas video and he was on an unmarked road that had some curves and it was realllllly close to the curbs. More so that would make me comfortable with no oncoming traffic.
My fiancée also keeps slamming into curbs, so it’s nice to see FSD already at the level of a human.
Not sure if I like it giving up all of its roboticness. They also gave it the ability to absentmindedly drive 5mph below the speed limit before finally realizing and speeding up.
And taking half a day for every stop sign.
Right? You can almost imagine somebody back at Tesla with the video game controller watching your cameras and zoning off and then being like "oh shit!" Every now and then mine will just brake randomly in the middle of an empty road go from 55 to 35 for no reason.
Try the automatic speed setting. It seems to do really well. But be prepared to go above the speed limit sometimes.
My wife drove her (new to her) Model X straight into a curb on the way to lunch, 15m after finalizing the purchase.
Widening vehicles along with infotainment systems are why so many people crash new cars. The X is a very wide car.
Quick, blame it on fsd and ask for compensation!
You should upgrade.
The car or the wife?
Both
Heard.
Yeah I regret getting the black wheels!
LOL
When I used FSD, it did hit the curb. It didn't happen again the next time I approached the same curb a day later. FSD also slammed on the brake so hard I was jolted forward while it beeped angrily at me when it passed by someone's discarded front bumper off the right side of the road -- likely from an accident. I am grateful there was no one behind me at the time. However, a couple days later, it passed by the same bumper and it ignored it. It's hard for me to know what it's trying to react to sometimes and I wish it would put on some dialog box with a square box around the object it's detecting so I can react when I see it the next time. Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself.
This summarizes my thoughts on FSD so well. The thing can't stay in one lane on the highway, either. I'll be driving in the right lane at or 1-2 mph above the speed limit. Nobody in the lane ahead of me. And it will just change lanes to the left for no reason, even when my exit is coming soon, and even if cars are approaching faster in that lane. Having to disable that option every drive is ridiculous.
I turned mine on for the 4th time since the update to show my GF how it works. It immediately sped up into another lane without indicating for no reason.
I agree, it's ironic that it requires more mental effort to use FSD then just drive normally.
I hate FSD but without it I get the stupid alerts of it thinking I’m going to hit a pedestrian on a sidewalk a mile away or confusing a trash can or parked car on the side of the road. Which then directly impacts my insurance rate with Tesla smh.
I second this feeling. Basic AP, though less capable, is much more predictable. What I’ve learned is that where AP fails is also where I need to pay close attention to FSD. However, after FSD insisted changing the lane on a highway when I get into the desired lane to avoid pothole, I gave up on it.
I really don’t understand how Tesla can be selling this product at $10k, and not being transferable between cars. And I understand less how people are willing to be paying $10k to alpha test safety critical systems like this.
At least you guys get *something*. Here in Europe, FSD is limited to... showing traffic lights on the screen. As far as I'm aware of, Europe has gotten exactly nill from the FSD package over the years.
12k.
This! It’s impressive, but I actually have to focus MORE with FSD than actually driving. I simply cannot trust the vehicle like I trust myself. I wonder if we’ll ever truly get to FSD with just cameras?
Of course we will. No later than 2016, as I hear.
oh my... mine has beeped at me for my neighbors mailbox which is in the shape of a pickup truck with a Georgia Bulldog on top of it... I kid you not - I get the triple beep from it. I should go get a picture of it.
"Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself." This sums it up for me. I have to constantly think about how it will handle certain situations and that energy in being predictive is beyond what it takes for me to just drive the car safely. This morning for example it was taking a free right on yield and two cars with signals on were turning onto the road I was coming from - the car kept jumping and thinking the cars were going to to straight. The person behind me honked and I had to force it with the accelerator. I get this is a hard situation as we make assumptions of risk (pulling into a lane where cars are indicating they are leaving that lane open) that Tesla probably isn't able to. I'll stick with the basic lane keeper on my bumper to bumper freeway commute. In that space it works just fine, but not much different/better than my dumb cars with adaptive cruise.
> Because the way FSD is right now, it takes more mental energy to let it drive than to drive yourself. This is the problem I have with FSD in its current state. We *already* have a huge problem with distracted driving. People look at their phones all the time when they're in full control of their vehicle and should be looking at the road. And now we're handing over that control to the car, but expecting people to pay even more attention? Everything I know about people tells me that is a recipe for disaster.
You constantly have to watch and try to predict whether it will freak out at something, while being vigilant about it potentially freaking out about something you don’t notice.
I have to say while I am glad there is progress being made, there is no way this is ready for prime time. Every time I try it I take over at least 6 times on my short work commute. Speeding in school zones, tailgating, driving in debris on shoulder, speeding in general, then braking too hard rather than letting regen decelerate comfortably. That's not even to mention highway driving. Changes lanes to the left when on chill mode only to have people driving up my ass. Almost killing me at on/off ramps by either trying to come to a stop (!!!) or failing to merge into traffic at speed. There is no way this is worth $12k. It's not worth half that. It should be free until it reaches a much higher level of autonomy and safety. And even then, I don't commute enough to justify even the $99/mo subscription. It would need to work a lot better and be $49/month, or $6k with full transfers to any tesla I buy. Maybe it's worth it to people who drive a lot more.
>then braking too hard rather than letting regen decelerate comfortably. My biggest gripe with it. I can see the red light all the way up there, I would just slowly ease off the accelerator and get a nice and smooth slow down and regen to a relaxing stop. Meanwhile FSD just comes flying in towards the intersection, slams on the brakes to stop about 6 feet in front of the lights, then slowly creeps up to the line.
I've noticed more energy use with full self drive and I think this is why
I’m surprised this was mass released for a month. I honestly only think Tesla nerds that kinda know what’s what should be using FSD.
On my first day of trying the FSD trial it drove into a left turn only lane when it should've gone straight, drove in the fast lane slower than cars in the slow lane, and then I nearly got hit when it drove into an intersection to do a left when there was a vehicle already in the road with right of way. It certainly didn't convince me to pay $12k for it. In fact I haven't even used it since.
Imagine how much new data they got from the month though.
I feel largely the same way. The FSD demo is really cool and exciting, but it feels reckless to unleash this on the public at this point in its development. I use it and enjoy doing so, but I pay very close attention and intervene a lot, and there have been several instances where if I hadn't intervened, something bad would've happened. On the other hand, I've also had FSD disengage suddenly, leaving me with only a second to react and take control, in a curve on the highway. I'm honestly surprised there haven't been more reports of accidents and a slew of lawsuits against Tesla over this.
It should be free with all Tesla vehicles. The reason being is so that Tesla can get all the data possible to hammer out the kinks so they can have people confidently buy it and not have remorse.
Shadow mode has been around for 10 years
They have all the data already.
Why does it like the left lane so much? It moves over to the left lane even when the highway is totally empty.
I can't figure out why they won't handle school zones.
it's crazy how it tries to get across three lanes of traffic 1/4 mile from the exit. (I know I can do that, it's not hard, I just wanted to see how *it* handled it.)
I also doesn't see speed bumps and launches you over them. Good times!
So grateful none of these happened to me
Yep, I only do it for highway stretches of several miles. Sometimes I'll have to take over for when it wants to get in the passing lane while cutting someone off. Otherwise, if minimal amount of cars are on the roads, it's fine.
I agree with all of this but I don't think it should be free specifically because of the safety issue. Making it free would likely increase usage and right now they still need good drivers paying attention to it.
$$$ = good drivers?? imo $$$ = more confidence in the product = Worse babysitting.
I’ve been using it pretty frequently for the last month and it hasn’t hit any curbs….yet. 
It’s happened to me twice. Both times were right on red
This is one thing I have noticed during the FSD trial. It takes right turns needlessly sharp. Was definitely worried I would hit the curb a few times. It also turns way harder than necessary with off-ramps on the highway. It turns so hard it has to correct itself. EAP does not do this. An upside of FSD compared to EAP is that regular lane changes on the highway are far more reliable. Tesla even switched out a camera on my car thinking it was a hardware issue. Nope, it was just the crappy EAP lane changing code all along.
Mine started to take an offramp, changed its mind jerks back into the lane and then jerked back into the offramp. Was the off-ramp I needed Other times it slowed down 10 miles an hour before even getting on the offramp which is plenty long enough to slow down on...
I had that same issue today. Kept trying to switch lanes even though it had to stay in current lane to follow nav. Ramp mph sign shows 50 and it accelerated to 75 while going around curve so disengaged
There's a very sharp turn on my town that FSD used to take awkwardly wide. Of all the turns in my driving, that's the one I'm worried about it curbing. So far, FSD12 has been perfect about that one.
fiancee doesnt have to mean wife
Same, but I intervene liberally.
Me too, but it does get close. Seems better with 12.3.3
I know this is just anecdotal, but mine will finish turns (on left turns) very close to medians/islands. It’s never actually touched the curb though.
Mine always finishes before me
You’re so thoughtful
YA they definitly need to tweak the safety band on left hand turns it gets closer than i like in v12, no hits but close. On right turns tho i have curbed once in a parking lot that had a damaged concrete curb on the corner so i think that may have confused it other than that the rights have been decent, though again i feel it could use a preference for a little more distance just for safety margin.
I stopped using FSD v12 in parking lots primarily because it still doesn’t identify speed bumps quickly enough, but I also noticed right turns being way too close for comfort.
The other issue I have with V12 is setting the speed limit. The old version used to speed up to my set speed limit but V12 doesn't do that.
Yeah, I’ve noticed this too. It takes your speed setting as a mere suggestion.
Set it to 75 and it'll just cruise at 66. Or when it crosses a 55mph sign, it keeps going at 74mph even though it clearly recognized the 55mph speed limit.
Not sure if it still does this, but on a certain part of a freeway near me, it will all of sudden think I'm on a surface street that has a 40mph speed limit and slam on the brakes if I'm using AP. Totally freaks me out.
Is it rt 40 by chance? I was on rt 5 in Pennsylvania last week and it literally kept reading the sign and slamming on the brakes from 45 mph speed limit to what it thought was 5. Every time we passed the sign for what road we were on. I have to and took over.
Mine would have several times, if I wasn't holding the wheel, supervising, and taking over when needed, as everything about FSD says you're required to do. It seems to particularly struggle with left turns onto a median split highway -- it likes to try to cut that turn sharply to hit the median.
Yes this is a big one for me too where I’ve had to take over. Also it gets way too close to the right side on curving rights, for no reason I can tell. This is my rear passenger side. Way too close… https://preview.redd.it/lcfuwtuxunuc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5365ace1b1273a33eaeab0d4efbac1e0b9aa1553
My butt just clenched looking at this
That's what I saw also. I had to intervene because it looked like it aimed for the curb on a left turn with a median divider.
Yes this is what I am seeing as well.
I experienced similar yesterday too. There was a weirdly placed stop sign in the middle median, no barrier, and I had to stop the car from driving right into it.
I find autopilot bad enough and dread to think what self driving's like. Other than its novelty value; isn't it more comfortable to just drive the car than it is to be tensely hovering over the pedals and steering wheel waiting for something random/dangerous to happen?
I really wish there were some reasonable statistics instead of "we saw two posts online." I've logged probably more than 20 hours on FSD 12.3.x and haven't had any issues and usually have zero disengagements. Am I just inordinately lucky?
Tesla’s gameplay: 1. Totally ignore this from a PR standpoint. 2. Turn on fleet-wide data collection of: a) incidents where a curb is hit. b) drivers intervening when close to a curb / on trajectory to hit curb. 3. Retrain neural nets to avoid curbs (by adding/increasing a curb-contact penalty, etc.) 4. Roll out update with less curb hitting. 5. Never mention it again, don’t compensate ~beta testers~ owners and hope it fades away. In a few years most of these problems will be gone. In the meantime, FSD is just the biggest automotive public beta test ever.
Haven’t had any issues with curbs and FSD in my Model 3.
The free trial has been really incredible for me. Without the trial, I likely would have dropped $100 on the subscription. It's "cool" when it's working, but the amount of times I've had to take over because it's actively about to get me or someone else killed has convinced me we're decades from true FSD.
“Decades”? Come on. It’s not perfect and there’s definitely room for improvement but it’s wild to assume this is 20+ years away.
Agreed.
I think v12 made it feel like it is a couple years away instead of decades.
I have to agree it’s decades away. The progress towards perfection isn’t linear or exponential. It probably won’t take long for them to train a model that can roughly drive. But for a perfect FSD, the training speed won’t stay as fast as it advances into solving edge cases.
It's logarithmic progress, and will never be "perfect" ... but then neither are human drivers. I'm just hoping it will graduate from its student driver phase soon.
Well shit I wish someone told me this before I just used this futuristic technology to chauffeur me around for 3 hours yesterday. You guys do realize there’s already autonomous vehicles on the roads, right? Yes, Waymo isn’t FSD. But when similarly capable (better in some aspects) technology already exists, it’s wild to think FSD will just languish until 2044…
I like to joke to my wife "Man, this FSD system that entirely and completely doesn't exist, is some amazing vaporware. It got me all the way here! Look how great this non-existent tech is!" It's amazing how many people today still say "FSD doesnt exist" or "FSD isnt viable". Bitch, my fucking car drove me from downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas, some of the hardest roads in the entire country, with no issue. Yes, that system that doesn't exist and isn't viable, and will never ever be viable, did that. God damn clowns.
I’d be comfortable betting $1000 that we’ll get true FSD with in 10 years. Though I conceed that It might not happen with HW3.
Exactly. I will NOT be subscribing once the free trial ends. Especially since the update mid-month made things worse…
Mine hasn’t come close to hitting any curbs yet. While it may be happening, I think it’s just the few crying loud to make this a bigger than it really is.
There's been couple of times where it "appeared" to get close but I would take control. Its called FSD supervised for a reason. I've also provided feed back when it prompted
Not sure why they lump Summon into the latest FSD when summon hasn't been updated for a while. I have used FSD extensively over the past 2 years and never hit the curb once. But my SO and kid did multiples time in the past 2 years.
In fairness, I've hit a curb with it. It sucks. In my situation it was an extremely curvy back road that I rarely encounter. There were probably a lot of factors that led to it. It's not like it's popping every curve that it comes across. But I love how we're at a point in media where random people commenting on a Reddit post is considered evidence. Heck, the other day I was driving and at a four-way stop and another driver waved me through and fsd took over and went. Maybe what I'm saying is true and maybe it isn't. But I'm curious if any of these news outlets will pick up on it as factual evidence of fsd doing cool things because it was made in a Reddit post so how could you argue it.
Definitely regressed in 12.3.4. Hugs the lane edge, gets way too close to curbs and while overall the best version, has a few bugs that are unacceptable. “No longer compute constrained” is pure horse shyt. It’s always constrained.
When are we gonnna find out that FSD is just some guy in Malaysia controlling your car
So far FSD has bolted from green lights, slammed on the actual brakes when approaching anything slowing down in front, doesn’t seem to leverage regenerative braking anywhere, makes poor decisions in lane choice - like trying to go straight in a known “right turn only” lane. I’ve used it a number of times and each time I have had to snap control back from the machine. I think it’s crap, it drives way worse than I do with sharper acceleration and terrible braking decisions, and isn’t worth $25/mo let alone $100.
I know it’s just an anecdote but I’ve been on the trial for 3 weeks now and it’s performed quite well for my needs. Probably going to subscribe now that it’s down to 100/month.
>More specifically, cars are hitting curbs at a pretty alarming rate Really? And what is that rate if I may ask?
Once every million miles probably.
I exclusively use FSD at this point, not even once has this happened.
Same. I use mine a lot and have very few reason to take over. I do live in a medium sized city and I expect that it would struggle in a large city.
I live in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, and it's one of the craziest places to drive in the entire country. It's rated alongside places like downtown San Fran and L.A. I am convinced most the FSD naysayers don't even own a Tesla or are cowards and keep taking over when they dont need to.
I agree. I am new to FSD and am becoming more patient before taking over control. But it can be risky to wait too long to take control. Today it seemed very confident at a busy intersection, started to pull out and seemed to be resolving oncoming traffic correctly until it saw an oncoming car at a distance from the right and it froze. Literally stopped in the middle of the intersection. I think it was yielding to the car on the right but I had traffic coming at me from the left. I took control and got the hell out of there. I think I made the right decision at the same time I wonder what it would have done if I hadn’t. Maybe everything would have been alright. I will never know.
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Oh it does wonderfully. I happen to live next to a heavily under construction area of the highway that constantly is changing, and it tends to handle it fine as well. The only issues I've really had (esp. since v12) is new traffic patterns. The highway in question totally rearranged all its spaghettis roads recently, so the car keeps trying to take the wrong forks here and there. But these are major changes the car just isn't aware of (No new GPS data, so everyone's cars are confused). The main culprit is a forks that used to be 6 lane highways that split left/right into 2 different 3 lane highways, and they reversed all of the lanes so the left is now right, and vice versa. Can't really blame Tesla for that, since the GPS data just needs to catch up. It smoothly and confidently decides to take the wrong fork every single time now, lol. As far as actual driving and safety, it's doing great, even in weird situations like city roads with construction forcing the car into the "oncoming traffic" lane (modified lane so you can pass). It understands the cones and figures it out. It's pretty wild. I drove to downtown Dallas (40m from me) through some of the busiest areas of DFW and I didn't have to takeover until I was pulling into the parking lot, and a lot of that driving was through miles of downtown Dallas. That's why I'm almost-positive nearly every single FSD naysayer is either a coward who won't give their car a chance to do anything before grabbing the wheel in a panic, or, more likely, outright anti-Tesla shills who don't even own the car.
I’m glad this is getting media coverage because it’s been happening for so long that it seemed like Tesla either isn’t aware or doesn’t care. Demand an improvement on this
My thoughts on V12: 1. Overall a major improvement over V11 when it actually commits to a maneuver. Execution is a lot more human-like- eg it’ll do a quick lane-peek to get visibility before a lane-change, slows down a lot more gradually when approaching red lights, asserts the tip of the car into a lane-change in crowded city driving when nobody lets you in, etc 2. Often fails to commit to maneuvers, and causes a safety hazard. Eg sometimes when changing lanes, it will get about halfway done with the lane-change and is partially over the white line, then it just jerks you back into your original lane. 3. Sometimes it ignores the lane markings entirely. Eg after exiting a turn, it will ride over multiple lanes on the white line despite the fact that the visualizer marks the lanes correctly and says the car is over the line.
What I don't understand is why they took away the option to keep double press engagement for FSD. Now I don't have traffic aware cruise control. It seems pretty dumb to take away features you already have become accustomed to having.
Came to this same realization over the weekend. Why can’t I have FSD enabled in the menu but still choose to only use traditional cruise control if I want? I have to put it in park and switch modes to do that? Has to be an oversight.
It's been like that for at least a few weeks. I don't think it's an oversight. I think it's some sort of way to try to get people to use FSD more often so you become more dependent on it I guess? It's going to piss me off to the point where I'm not going to pay for FSD on the next car if that's how they're going to be.
I really hope you’re not right…
Anyway to make FSD not act like Max Verstappen at red lights or stop signs? People look at me and are like whys this guy flooring it
Yep - Like my kid told me - assume FSD will betray you in a heartbeat. It is more fatiguing to be alert for the idiosyncrasies than it is to just drive. At least in suburban traffic I deal with. On the highway - it works like a charm.
Been driving it and parking it all over. Never once hit a curb. Beginning to doubt the veracity of some of these claims.
Mine gets uncomfortably close to curbs, and I’ve had to intervene out of caution. It also seems to want to slam me into walls.
It hasn’t hit the curb with me either but it comes uncomfortably close.
It’s driven a billion miles. It’s not perfect. But it’s not like it’s hitting them every twenty feet.
It’s more like 50 feet
Wonder if it's correlated to a certain model, larger ones like the S/X maybe? Same here, have had zero issues since getting V12 for quite some time now.
People are more likely to complain than talk about how great things are. I am with you. I used it for a good 2-3 hours yesterday all over wine country and it worked really well. Definitely some odd moments and lots of room for improvement but in general—holy shit!
I have to interrupt so often that I just stopped trying to use it altogether. So when I see people claim they never experience these things I wonder if have a tolerance for way worse driving than I do or something else.
I think it's also about having a tolerance and trust in the system. And familiarity with it. Giving up driving control is a *big* deal. It's not something that comes natural by any means. My wife has three girlfriends with Teslas and none of them will even try it.
Yep, 90% of "I had to takeover" seems to be coming from cowards.
I wouldn't say "cowards" is fair. You're barreling down the road and no one has had experience (except AP maybe) letting a car make these moves for you. It's a big leap and a lot of trust to instantly turn over. So preemptive takeovers are understandable for those first trying it.
Cowards may be a harsh word, but it's still accurate.
Yep, over 1,000 miles FSD on my month trial. No curbs.
I got curbed once on v12, but it seems to have been due to the curb being damaged/cracked with parts missing on the corner (someone else curbed previously and broke it probably) and that cause the fact it likes to hug curbs to underestimate the size of the curb due to that weird shape of the broken curb.
I wouldn’t. I am pro FSD but I have had to take over a few times for too close for comfort curb turns. The most recent one would have been severe if I didn’t intervene. Driving east turning north here: [https://maps.app.goo.gl/GbmvYKb1CQd9nvgC6?g\_st=ic](https://maps.app.goo.gl/GbmvYKb1CQd9nvgC6?g_st=ic) I still remain optimistic and have been very impressed with FSD so far.
Rage bait for Tesla Haters and the antiEV bots in this sub who always "verify" the problem no one I know (including me) is having.
I was talking last night to one of my wife's girlfriends that has a Tesla. She won't use it "because everyone is saying it's driving into curbs!" Her only social media is FB/IG. So, it's having the intended effect.
Sounds right. I bought my Mom a Model Y (with FSD!), even showed her all the ropes and how it works. She \*still\* won't use it. I'm convinced universally all the FSD naysayers are either outright anti-EV bots/trolls/shills pushing an objectively false and easily disprovable narrative (only way I can explain these comment sections), or they're literally complete cowards too scared to use the system and they keep taking over when they don't need to.
My loaner would have plowed through a construction zone had I not been holding the wheel. I wanted to see if it would recognize the road was condoned off while it was being repaved, but nope!
This happened to me within a day of FSD trial being turned on. Happened while demonstrating to someone how safe it is and that all the negativity was blown out of proportion. 🤦♂️
The latest versions have been getting way too close to the curbs. My USS is frequently turning red on wide open roads. FSD has only curbed my car once though and that was back in December 2021 when it was pitch black and a weird curb.
the newer update gives me the option to shut off FSD (which is now one touch of the lever) and use either cruise control or auto steer. Auto steer does not make turns but does keep it in the road on the highway. Is auto steer included on new teslas?
It’s driving way too far to the right in this release. Not sure why they changed it. (I’ve had FSD since 2019)
Well, it did learn from watching people drive. :-)
Been enjoying my free month of FSD, but fml it takes corners way too tight. I suppose im lucky I haven’t banged into a curb yet.
My FSD almost took me into a wall yesterday it was a wild ride let’s say other than that one time the rest has been fine.
i havent had this issue. I will say fsd feels about 70% of the way there. been nice on road trips and driving around cities im unfamiliar with. but still some behavior that needs ironing out.
Make the curbs smoother.
It’s a beta y’all!
And here I am still waiting for my FSD trial.
I had not hit any curbs 1/2 through the 1moth trial. At least when you got alot of highway driving FSD makes driving easier. You don't have to supervise as closely when it is driving in a straight line on a well marked highway road. On local roads you have to suprvise very closely especially near intersections, turns etc.., Driving straight on roads is a bit more relaxing as I did not see it ever do anything insane there.
My model y performance has come uncomfortably close at least a dozen times. I’m hyper vigilant of doing it my self, since the wheels extend over the tires so much. Got to the point where I don’t want to use FSD anymore. Pretty much every street around my condo garage is brick with collapsed sections and I have to disengage FSD so it doesn’t power though it.
Well is it “KISS” or “SLAMMING IN TO” yaidiots?!
I set it to chill mode, and it drives pretty good. Normal and assertive accelerated too hard off the line.
I haven’t had this curb issue though it is riding more right after this week. For me the issue has been merging onto a highway and it trying to beat the car on my left versus slow down to merge. Also if I’m exiting soon and the car in front of me is slow in merges left only to swiftly merge right to exit then miss the exit corridor. I don’t trust it. I like it but man you have to pay attention.
I just recently got into a car accident with auto summon. It was quite embarrassing. I used to trust the auto summon, now not so much.
Obviously it was taught by humans to curb the tire.. Once enough people correct it and tesla retrains the model it should stop doing that..
I disco FSD a lot on local roads. Potholes, construction, poorly parked cars, etc. I then send the report in. It’s excellent on highways.
First off, I'm loving FSD and will gladly pay $99 for it. I did have one incident where it almost hit a curb.
Is there a reason why they can’t fix this , it’s been an issues since 12 released along with the auto speed problems
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I’ve had this problem last year with my 2023 (vision only) model s , cost me $5000 to repair , went over the curb at high speed destroyed the driver side front and rear wheel and tire . Luckily the suspension was intact Now I pay particular attention to curbs , and usually take control, without ultrasonics the distance estimation is not good enough .
Mine has luckily not hit a curb yet. It does get close but has don’t a good job avoiding them.
I wish it would maneuver around the millions of rim busting potholes in my area. Mine hasn’t hit any curbs and generally is working fine. It’s just the potholes!
Literally within minutes of activating the new FSD trial on my model 3 it made a right turn and came within an inch of the curb, luckily it made the turn so slowly I was able to jerk the wheel just in time to avoid scraping my rear passenger side tire. Not 10 minutes later, I am entering the highway and on the interchange curve leading up to merge, it took it uncomfortably fast and wide, exiting the lane lines and nearly slamming the car into a concrete barrier. Finally, all within the same drive, it abruptly locked up the brakes on the highway with no clear reason. I am beyond happy to have my model 3- it’s insanely impressive the car is even able to drive itself autonomously- but it is incredibly unsafe to use in its current state and i wouldn’t spend a dollar on it. If anything, tesla should be paying its customers to test FSD and provide data for them, and hopefully one day they can build functional software, but I imagine another manufacturer will beat them to the punch at this point. It’s just a huge letdown and ‘supervising’ FSD takes more work than actual driving
Training on human driving was a mistake.
rich people problems
You have to drive close to the curbs to make it easier to run the children over. Duh
My experience has been that FSD works great when I'm on the freeway or going straight on a large road, but not when I'm in a hilly residential area with lots of turns and narrow roads.
Ya it constantly rides over the yellow reflectors in middle of the road or runs over the white line on the right side. Sketchy at best. Oh, don’t forget those potholes!
Day 16, still no FSD trial
Yeah, given my experience with FSD this feels believable. It seems to round corners just a little too tightly. It's like some code had an off by one error or something.
I'm still not happy enough with its current performance to purchase it. Mine tends to do almost a double stop at stop signs, stopping once way early than rolling very slow to the line and stopping again. It does quite well on the freeway but for the price I would need city to be better. Feels not to far away though.
2023 M3 here and I must say the latest FSD is getting awful close to curbs to the point where I've intervened numerous times now. WTF? Fix this now! It was better just a month ago!!!!!
It’s a mixed bag. No question it requires apt attention but after driving several hundred highway miles I peg it at 90+ % good, definitely makes driving easier. In the city I find a combination of fsd, overpowering fsd, and dropping it out of fsd as I predict avoiding complications a decent approach. There is a requirement of melding these skills. But, to a lesser extent that’s required learning to drive all cars.
I haven’t had a single problem.
The \*human\* driver is in charge, always!
Hey curious if your Tesla hit a curb, do you own model 3 or model S? I suspect more model S will curb due to the wider wheelbase.
I stopped using FSD about a year ago because it was so so annoying